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		<title>By: Hogan Hayes</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/disquiet_on_the_danube/#comment-15741</link>
		<dc:creator>Hogan Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ukridge notes: &quot;The taxi strike happened during the first government at early 90&#039;s.&quot;  And this statement is accurate.  The events from that day were an attempted reenactment.  The fact that they moved forward has been linked to a lack of faith in the ruling party and the police, but the roots do go deeper than that.  This is why it was included in the article, but I do appreciate the clarification from Ukridge.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ukridge notes: &#8220;The taxi strike happened during the first government at early 90&#8242;s.&#8221;  And this statement is accurate.  The events from that day were an attempted reenactment.  The fact that they moved forward has been linked to a lack of faith in the ruling party and the police, but the roots do go deeper than that.  This is why it was included in the article, but I do appreciate the clarification from Ukridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Dora</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/disquiet_on_the_danube/#comment-15740</link>
		<dc:creator>Dora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the criticism regarding health care benefits is a bit nitpicky.  The New York Times reports that benefits are being cut:
&quot;The health, pension and transportation systems - which are largely unchanged since 1989 and are running large debts - are to be restructured and subsidies will be cut. The number of hospital beds will be reduced and the health system will be financed by the state and the public. The public sector is to be reduced by at least 10 percent.&quot;
When you add to that the news of Social Security increases as reported in EUBusiness.com:
&quot;The austerity measures include a two-percent rise in social security contributions, half of which will be paid by employees...&quot;  the measures look worse than what ukridge describes, &quot;for the same amount to pay for social security, less service is due.&quot;
As someone living here in Hungary, I find these issues difficult to follow, but the grumbling on the streets suggests that health care wise, we are getting less for more.  I can certainly understand why this article reports it that way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the criticism regarding health care benefits is a bit nitpicky.  The New York Times reports that benefits are being cut:<br />
&#8220;The health, pension and transportation systems &#8211; which are largely unchanged since 1989 and are running large debts &#8211; are to be restructured and subsidies will be cut. The number of hospital beds will be reduced and the health system will be financed by the state and the public. The public sector is to be reduced by at least 10 percent.&#8221;<br />
When you add to that the news of Social Security increases as reported in EUBusiness.com:<br />
&#8220;The austerity measures include a two-percent rise in social security contributions, half of which will be paid by employees&#8230;&#8221;  the measures look worse than what ukridge describes, &#8220;for the same amount to pay for social security, less service is due.&#8221;<br />
As someone living here in Hungary, I find these issues difficult to follow, but the grumbling on the streets suggests that health care wise, we are getting less for more.  I can certainly understand why this article reports it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Hettie</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/disquiet_on_the_danube/#comment-15739</link>
		<dc:creator>Hettie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is odd to mix up the taxi drivers&#039;s strike which happened 17 years ago with last weeks events.

Thanks ukridge for the much needed corrections
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is odd to mix up the taxi drivers&#8217;s strike which happened 17 years ago with last weeks events.</p>
<p>Thanks ukridge for the much needed corrections</p>
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		<title>By: ukridge</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/disquiet_on_the_danube/#comment-15738</link>
		<dc:creator>ukridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some considerable errors is the article:
1)
&quot;On Friday, a protest unaffiliated with any one political party accompanied a taxi strike in opposition to a 65% increase in gas prices. Together the protests blocked major routes through Budapest and the police came out in a show of force. It took several hours to get traffic back to normal.&quot;

This is a serious misunderstanding of the events. The taxi strike happened during the first government at early 90&#039;s. Nothing this sort was happening this year. What actually did happen is a bunch of people tried to sabbotage the city &quot;in memory&quot; of the taxi strike.
Not the same.
The fuel price did not increase 65% this year, to claim such is beyond reality.

&quot;Hungary does enjoy a close trade relationship with Russia, and over the last year Hungary&#039;s government has instated several austerity measures in an effort to rein in Hungary&#039;s huge deficit.

Unfortunately the austerity measures bit just as last year&#039;s scandal erupted. Among the least popular measures are a cut in public health care benefits and new tuition fees for university students.&quot;

2)
Hungary&#039;s trade with Russia declined to an all-time-low. Some right-wingers claim that Russian private investors are buying businesses in Hungary one after the other. This is another story, not much to do with trade. However, this claim is hard to prove since they use offshore companies for aquisitions making extremly hard to figure out who is behind these transactions.

3) Public health benefit cut simply did not happen in Hungary making it quite uneasy to be amongst the &quot;least popular measures&quot;. What actually did happen is a huge reorganization of the state owned public health infrastructure. Certainly this make some people&#039;s life much harder, but a cut in health benefif would mean a totally different thing, i.e. for the same amount to pay for social security, less service is due. Nothing even close to this happened.

So bad other blogs are using all these claims for their analysis without any fact-checking, to name one: &lt;a href=&quot;http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/11/those-pesky-east-europeans.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/11/those-pesky-east-europeans.html&lt;/a&gt;

Lastly it may well be a subjective perception only, but it seems to me too vague to put Magyar Nemzet and Nepszabadsag to the same disctance from good journalism. While it is true that both of them have much to do, Nepszabadsag sometimes meet the international accepted journalism, while Nemzet is more like a rasist rag then a political daily. Anyway in my Hungarian media critic blog I do not post on Nemzet articles since they do not meet my standards of journalism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some considerable errors is the article:<br />
1)<br />
&#8220;On Friday, a protest unaffiliated with any one political party accompanied a taxi strike in opposition to a 65% increase in gas prices. Together the protests blocked major routes through Budapest and the police came out in a show of force. It took several hours to get traffic back to normal.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a serious misunderstanding of the events. The taxi strike happened during the first government at early 90&#8242;s. Nothing this sort was happening this year. What actually did happen is a bunch of people tried to sabbotage the city &#8220;in memory&#8221; of the taxi strike.<br />
Not the same.<br />
The fuel price did not increase 65% this year, to claim such is beyond reality.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hungary does enjoy a close trade relationship with Russia, and over the last year Hungary&#8217;s government has instated several austerity measures in an effort to rein in Hungary&#8217;s huge deficit.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the austerity measures bit just as last year&#8217;s scandal erupted. Among the least popular measures are a cut in public health care benefits and new tuition fees for university students.&#8221;</p>
<p>2)<br />
Hungary&#8217;s trade with Russia declined to an all-time-low. Some right-wingers claim that Russian private investors are buying businesses in Hungary one after the other. This is another story, not much to do with trade. However, this claim is hard to prove since they use offshore companies for aquisitions making extremly hard to figure out who is behind these transactions.</p>
<p>3) Public health benefit cut simply did not happen in Hungary making it quite uneasy to be amongst the &#8220;least popular measures&#8221;. What actually did happen is a huge reorganization of the state owned public health infrastructure. Certainly this make some people&#8217;s life much harder, but a cut in health benefif would mean a totally different thing, i.e. for the same amount to pay for social security, less service is due. Nothing even close to this happened.</p>
<p>So bad other blogs are using all these claims for their analysis without any fact-checking, to name one: <a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/11/those-pesky-east-europeans.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/11/those-pesky-east-europeans.html</a></p>
<p>Lastly it may well be a subjective perception only, but it seems to me too vague to put Magyar Nemzet and Nepszabadsag to the same disctance from good journalism. While it is true that both of them have much to do, Nepszabadsag sometimes meet the international accepted journalism, while Nemzet is more like a rasist rag then a political daily. Anyway in my Hungarian media critic blog I do not post on Nemzet articles since they do not meet my standards of journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/disquiet_on_the_danube/#comment-15737</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Full disclosure: I am a CEU alumnus)

&quot;They are using this holiday for their politics, but today shouldn&#039;t be political.&quot;
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Said student is talking out of his or her collective butt cheeks.  The idea that the &#039;56 anniversary would or &lt;i&gt;could not&lt;/i&gt; be political, especially after last year, is simply laughable, and is the sort of thing one could only get away with when speaking to a foreigner.  This is particularly the case given that last year&#039;s violence included rubber bullets being purposefully used for head shots, and police randomly beating the hell out of tourists and just about anybody else they came upon.  There&#039;s a reason that this year the cops have to show i.d. in no fewer than three different places on their uniforms: last year the i.d. tags were (illegally) taped over -- nobody could tell which officers were responsible for the clear instances of wildly excessive force.

Similarly, as has been independently illustrated via the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jamestown Foundation/&quot;Eurasia Times,&quot;&lt;/a&gt; not only is Hungary *not* simply dependent on Russian oil, but Hungary is currently fighting an attempt by the Russian government to take over Hungary&#039;s oil industry via machinations of the Austrian state-owned enterprise, which is getting its butt kicked by MOL in the private sector (link goes to analysis of a law passed just yesterday on said issue).

What the poster did get right is that the politics involved is murky.  Hungary&#039;s journalistic scene is hopelessly fragmented, to the point where the main center-left (N√©pszabads√°g) and  center-right newspapers (Magyar Nemzet) frequently demonstrate a complete unwillingness to grant the opposing sides&#039; arguments even a shred of legitimacy.

Similarly, the parties themselves do not always add up to easy equivalents to the U.S. &quot;left&quot; and &quot;right.&quot;  Ferenc Gyurcs√°ny originally ran political rings around Viktor Orb√°n... because of the latter&#039;s well-known tendency to propose immense social spending while blowing in the wind with each successive new poll.  On the other hand, some of the austerity measures imposed are on the extreme side -- literally closing state-run pharmacies (private ones are illegal), and replacing them with roving vans with scheduled hours for routes through various neighborhoods.  One wonders what one is supposed to do if one doesn&#039;t get sick at the schedule-approved time.

The real cure for a lot of this, of course, would be the beginning of some real market and economic freedom, but Hungary has nothing even vaguely resembling a libertarian wing in any party (including the SZDSZ), and take total state suzerainty completely for granted... to the point that many Hungarians literally can&#039;t believe that the U.S. doesn&#039;t have an official state television station.  E.U.-style technocracy may satisfy the progressives and elite theorists within Hungarian politics, but is unlikely to function as an effective antidote for Hungary&#039;s ills, and while there *is* an immense desire for change, there is little to no public support for the policies that would bring an &quot;Estonian/Irish Miracle&quot; to Hungary.

&lt;b&gt;As a side note to Mr. Ciccio:&lt;/b&gt; yes, this is true.  However, one should also note that a lot of folks the left and center-left consider to be one step away from Adolf Hitler are in actuality simply trying to maintain the right to preserve chunks of traditional culture (for example, the teaching of conquest-era Hungarian history, which has been quietly dropped from the state university curricula).

One should tread cautiously here, as both left and right have a tendency to smear the other with outrageously unfair ad-hominem (while, of course, claiming to be the absolute paragon of the elusive political &quot;moderate&quot;).
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<p>&#8220;They are using this holiday for their politics, but today shouldn&#8217;t be political.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Said student is talking out of his or her collective butt cheeks.  The idea that the &#8217;56 anniversary would or <i>could not</i> be political, especially after last year, is simply laughable, and is the sort of thing one could only get away with when speaking to a foreigner.  This is particularly the case given that last year&#8217;s violence included rubber bullets being purposefully used for head shots, and police randomly beating the hell out of tourists and just about anybody else they came upon.  There&#8217;s a reason that this year the cops have to show i.d. in no fewer than three different places on their uniforms: last year the i.d. tags were (illegally) taped over &#8212; nobody could tell which officers were responsible for the clear instances of wildly excessive force.</p>
<p>Similarly, as has been independently illustrated via the <a href="http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372544" rel="nofollow">Jamestown Foundation/&#8221;Eurasia Times,&#8221;</a> not only is Hungary *not* simply dependent on Russian oil, but Hungary is currently fighting an attempt by the Russian government to take over Hungary&#8217;s oil industry via machinations of the Austrian state-owned enterprise, which is getting its butt kicked by MOL in the private sector (link goes to analysis of a law passed just yesterday on said issue).</p>
<p>What the poster did get right is that the politics involved is murky.  Hungary&#8217;s journalistic scene is hopelessly fragmented, to the point where the main center-left (N√©pszabads√°g) and  center-right newspapers (Magyar Nemzet) frequently demonstrate a complete unwillingness to grant the opposing sides&#8217; arguments even a shred of legitimacy.</p>
<p>Similarly, the parties themselves do not always add up to easy equivalents to the U.S. &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right.&#8221;  Ferenc Gyurcs√°ny originally ran political rings around Viktor Orb√°n&#8230; because of the latter&#8217;s well-known tendency to propose immense social spending while blowing in the wind with each successive new poll.  On the other hand, some of the austerity measures imposed are on the extreme side &#8212; literally closing state-run pharmacies (private ones are illegal), and replacing them with roving vans with scheduled hours for routes through various neighborhoods.  One wonders what one is supposed to do if one doesn&#8217;t get sick at the schedule-approved time.</p>
<p>The real cure for a lot of this, of course, would be the beginning of some real market and economic freedom, but Hungary has nothing even vaguely resembling a libertarian wing in any party (including the SZDSZ), and take total state suzerainty completely for granted&#8230; to the point that many Hungarians literally can&#8217;t believe that the U.S. doesn&#8217;t have an official state television station.  E.U.-style technocracy may satisfy the progressives and elite theorists within Hungarian politics, but is unlikely to function as an effective antidote for Hungary&#8217;s ills, and while there *is* an immense desire for change, there is little to no public support for the policies that would bring an &#8220;Estonian/Irish Miracle&#8221; to Hungary.</p>
<p><b>As a side note to Mr. Ciccio:</b> yes, this is true.  However, one should also note that a lot of folks the left and center-left consider to be one step away from Adolf Hitler are in actuality simply trying to maintain the right to preserve chunks of traditional culture (for example, the teaching of conquest-era Hungarian history, which has been quietly dropped from the state university curricula).</p>
<p>One should tread cautiously here, as both left and right have a tendency to smear the other with outrageously unfair ad-hominem (while, of course, claiming to be the absolute paragon of the elusive political &#8220;moderate&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ciccio</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/disquiet_on_the_danube/#comment-15736</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ciccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the consequences is the rise of the skinheads in Hungary.  Yuk!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the consequences is the rise of the skinheads in Hungary.  Yuk!</p>
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