Comments on: ‘Dirty Girl’ and the Pornization of Dutch Society http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:42:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: vark http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16395 vark Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:00:12 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16395 Um, you've linked to the uncensored version twice, instead fo once each to the censored and uncensored versions. Enjoyed article. Um, you’ve linked to the uncensored version twice, instead fo once each to the censored and uncensored versions.
Enjoyed article.

]]> By: Little Much http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16394 Little Much Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:52:11 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16394 It seems that societies have to hit the complete bottom in order for a change to happen. Roman Empire + debauchery comes to mind. It seems that societies have to hit the complete bottom in order for a change to happen. Roman Empire + debauchery comes to mind.

]]> By: clazy http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16393 clazy Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:24:40 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16393 pch1013, you seem to be implying a positive correlation between increasing "permissiveness" and "moral bankruptcy", to use your terms, and lower indices of moral decay -- violent crime, teenage pregnancy, abortion, divorce, HIV infection, etc. -- as observed in the Netherlands. Otherwise, what's your point? In which case, I presume you have data showing those same indices have been falling the Netherlands, which has become increasingly permissive in the last half century. No? How can that possibly be? In each case you'll find that they are lower. Sometimes much lower. pch1013, you seem to be implying a positive correlation between increasing “permissiveness” and “moral bankruptcy”, to use your terms, and lower indices of moral decay — violent crime, teenage pregnancy, abortion, divorce, HIV infection, etc. — as observed in the Netherlands. Otherwise, what’s your point? In which case, I presume you have data showing those same indices have been falling the Netherlands, which has become increasingly permissive in the last half century. No? How can that possibly be?

In each case you’ll find that they are lower. Sometimes much lower.

]]> By: gus3 http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16392 gus3 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:32 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16392 Heather Graham can't make a movie without relying on her cleavage. Even her "Lost in Space" role needed help from her leather leotard. Heather Graham can’t make a movie without relying on her cleavage. Even her “Lost in Space” role needed help from her leather leotard.

]]> By: Evelyn http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16391 Evelyn Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:49:38 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16391 Micheal, really, do you not realize that YOU and people like yourself are the joke?! The people that critize these rappers and their clips but do nothing but promote them and their clips ( both versions at that!!)on blogs worldwide! If it wasn't for people like yourself we, the public, or even TMF, wouldn't even know that they excist! These rappers clearly stated that their primary goal was to add some fuel to the debate and force society to take a closer look at itself and it's morals without all the hypocritical fingerpointing. Furthermore to make parents aware that this is just a little taste of what our precious kids are exposed to on the web, how easy it is for minors to surf on adult-sites so internet shouldn't be the new babysitter. I got the message and immediatly placed a filter on my computer and sold my webcam! Furthermore, I really started to listen to their other songs about various so called controvercial topics. At first because i wanted to 'know my enemy'but now I know better! Callin' them a 'bad joke' or 'pimps' only proofs your ignorance and tunnelvision. So make your pointing-fingers usefull & 'do the knowledge on these modern-day nonheroes'! Micheal,
really, do you not realize that YOU and people like yourself are the joke?!

The people that critize these rappers and their clips but do nothing but promote them and their clips ( both versions at that!!)on blogs worldwide!

If it wasn’t for people like yourself we, the public, or even TMF, wouldn’t even know that they excist!

These rappers clearly stated that their primary goal was to add some fuel to the debate and force society to take a closer look at itself and it’s morals without all the hypocritical fingerpointing.
Furthermore to make parents aware that this is just a little taste of what our precious kids are exposed to on the web, how easy it is for minors to surf on adult-sites so internet shouldn’t be the new babysitter.

I got the message and immediatly placed a filter on my computer and sold my webcam! Furthermore, I really started to listen to their other songs about various so called controvercial topics. At first because i wanted to ‘know my enemy’but now I know better!

Callin’ them a ‘bad joke’ or ‘pimps’
only proofs your ignorance and tunnelvision.
So make your pointing-fingers usefull & ‘do the knowledge on these modern-day nonheroes’!

]]> By: pch1013 http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16390 pch1013 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:36:23 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16390 However, Tom W.'s point about "rock and roll" is well taken. If I were a citizen of a country whose proudest pop-music achievement was Golden Earring, I'd be pretty depressed too. However, Tom W.’s point about “rock and roll” is well taken. If I were a citizen of a country whose proudest pop-music achievement was Golden Earring, I’d be pretty depressed too.

]]> By: Jeb http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16389 Jeb Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:12:38 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16389 <blockquote>The Dutch don't strike me as particularly happy people. They seem as grim and negative as all the other western Europeans. I have a Dutch half-brother who's one of the biggest complainers I know. Despite the freedoms he enjoys, all he can do is bitch about how horrible everything is.</blockquote> Quite the rational, well thought out response. My Dutch half brother always complains, therefor all western Europeans are grim and negative. I've lived in the Netherlands and several regions of the US and can say from my experience that the Dutch are no more grim or bitchy than people in the US. They do constantly complain about the weather, but their weather is worthy of complaint (sort of like Seattle only colder).

The Dutch don’t strike me as particularly happy people. They seem as grim and negative as all the other western Europeans.

I have a Dutch half-brother who’s one of the biggest complainers I know. Despite the freedoms he enjoys, all he can do is bitch about how horrible everything is.

Quite the rational, well thought out response. My Dutch half brother always complains, therefor all western Europeans are grim and negative.

I’ve lived in the Netherlands and several regions of the US and can say from my experience that the Dutch are no more grim or bitchy than people in the US. They do constantly complain about the weather, but their weather is worthy of complaint (sort of like Seattle only colder).

]]> By: Tom W. http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16388 Tom W. Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:03:53 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16388 What happens when we've pornified our society, legalized drugs, and become a multiculti heaven on earth? Will we all be much happier? The Dutch don't strike me as particularly happy people. They seem as grim and negative as all the other western Europeans. I have a Dutch half-brother who's one of the biggest complainers I know. Despite the freedoms he enjoys, all he can do is bitch about how horrible everything is. Sex, drugs, and rock and roll as societal panaceas don't seem to have worked in the Netherlands. What happens when we’ve pornified our society, legalized drugs, and become a multiculti heaven on earth?

Will we all be much happier? The Dutch don’t strike me as particularly happy people. They seem as grim and negative as all the other western Europeans.

I have a Dutch half-brother who’s one of the biggest complainers I know. Despite the freedoms he enjoys, all he can do is bitch about how horrible everything is.

Sex, drugs, and rock and roll as societal panaceas don’t seem to have worked in the Netherlands.

]]> By: pch1013 http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16387 pch1013 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:34:34 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16387 "<i>Never give up the chance to bash the US even when the topic has absolutely nothing to do with it.</i>" This article was published on an American website with a predominantly American readership, and was clearly intended to shape American opinions of a country about which most Americans know very little. Also, one infers from the tone of the article that van der Gali√´n disapproves of the showing of dirty videos on Dutch TV, because of their putative effect on Dutch society. What's not clear is just what that effect exactly <i>is</i>. “Never give up the chance to bash the US even when the topic has absolutely nothing to do with it.”

This article was published on an American website with a predominantly American readership, and was clearly intended to shape American opinions of a country about which most Americans know very little.

Also, one infers from the tone of the article that van der Gali√´n disapproves of the showing of dirty videos on Dutch TV, because of their putative effect on Dutch society. What’s not clear is just what that effect exactly is.

]]> By: Jeb http://pjmedia.com/blog/dirty_girl_and_the_pornization/#comment-16386 Jeb Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:43:15 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/dirty-girl-and-the-pornization-of-dutch-society/#comment-16386 BMoon, It seems you are saying that the Netherlands has greater moral capitol to rest on than the US. Is this really your intent? The Netherlands has a long history of this type of tolerance and have long been less overtly religious than the US*. It is not a new thing. Why do you think the Pilgrims were allowed in and were then in such a hurry to leave? * They have also long been urbanized particularly in the west, the social controls have long been loose as mentioned above, and immigration has long been relatively open (though there are now attempts to make it more restrictive). BMoon,
It seems you are saying that the Netherlands has greater moral capitol to rest on than the US. Is this really your intent?
The Netherlands has a long history of this type of tolerance and have long been less overtly religious than the US*. It is not a new thing. Why do you think the Pilgrims were allowed in and were then in such a hurry to leave?

* They have also long been urbanized particularly in the west, the social controls have long been loose as mentioned above, and immigration has long been relatively open (though there are now attempts to make it more restrictive).

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