Comments on: Derbyshire v Spencer, Round Three

By: Ed Hayes

Ed Hayes — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:44:56 +0000

Derbyshire is wrong. He is a talented writer who made a mistake. He should be a man and admit it.

By: Aine

Aine — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:15:28 +0000

Warner: To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic.

Since Islam has a dualistic logic and dualistic ethics, it is completely foreign to us. Muslims think differently from us and feel differently from us. So our aversion is based upon fear and a rejection of Islamic ethics and logic. This aversion causes us to avoid learning about Islam so we are ignorant and stay ignorant.

Another part of the aversion is the realization that there is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. If you are in a business deal with someone who is a liar and a cheat, there is no way to avoid getting cheated. No matter how nice you are to a con man, he will take advantage of you. There is no compromise with dualistic ethics. In short, Islamic politics, ethics and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate, it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.

The last reason for our aversion to the history of political Islam is our shame. Islam put over a million Europeans into slavery. Since Muslims can’t be enslaved, it was a white Christian who was the Turkish sultan’s sex slave. These are things that we do not want to face.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/bill-warner-know-thy-enemy.htm

By: Aine

Aine — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:10:28 +0000

Question: Where in the OT/NT does it say to kill the “unbeliever”?

Answer: Nowhere.

Koran: Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5 – and that’s only one instance.

I suggest Mr. Derbyshire read the Koran. Religious people see irreligious people as preposterous.

By: JihadSpinAdmin

JihadSpinAdmin — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:03:37 +0000

All one has to do is read what the mujahideen, i mean terrorists are saying and writing and the versus they quote from the qur’an and the prophets life and sayings to know what they want. They want us to submit to islam. Of course, Islam in arabic translates to “submit”. Or we could just join the dhimmitude and pay our protection tax so they won’t “terrorize” us any more. read “The Al-Qaeda Reader”

By: schnargley

schnargley — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:19:24 +0000

P.Ami, Thompson, other victims,

Either my satire is poorly constructed, or the world is simply too convoluted anymore to tell the difference.

Either way, I am crushed.

By: silvy

silvy — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:12:29 +0000

I would like to make an intellectual comment, but seems that is already covered in all of the previous posts, so all I have to add is there is a white flag flying in Derbyshire’s window tonight, may Spencer tear it down before the muslims find it! BTW, to compare a peace loving religion to a hate filled one and say they are the same, shows your shame! words are cheap, actions tell what the heart desires! a tree is known by it’s fruit! actions speak louder then words! need I go on? I wish to toss Derbyshire into the middle east reality, not for harm’s sake, but for Truth and reality. I think he see’s it, just not yet ready to admit he has no answers to it’s evil! evil is one ugly stage no one wants to act upon. But only heroes, stand up and name evil for what it truly is! Thank you Spencer for that! Shame on you Derbyshire!

By: boris

boris — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:36:42 +0000

A visitor in a strange land encounters two medicine men. One recommends herbal rememdy X for what ails the human condition saying the recipe came to him in a dream from his ancestors. The other recommends potion Y for what ails the human condition saying the recipe was dictated by a voice from the heavens.

The visitor, who call himself a man of science, observes that the people using herbal rememdy X do indeed claim relief from many ailments whereas people using potion Y become addicted and die early.

Since the manner by which both recepies were derived sound equally preposterous the visitor concludes that both are equally worthless.

By: P. Ami

P. Ami — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:13:27 +0000

I can see why Schnargley relates so well to confusion. One who can’t differentiate between killing 3,000 people and those using argumentative techniques to alter opinions has humble abilities in distinguishing between features. One who can’t see the difference between cutting the head off a human, in order to shock his culture, and another who cuts the head off a chicken, so he can eat, well, someone who sees no difference between these things will find himself confused quite often.

By: Stellaw

Stellaw — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:34:35 +0000

A humble note to the esteemed Mr. Derbyshire, from a person who grew up in the middle east among muslim friends and neighbors, for 29 years, I do come from Persian and Arab, backround. The well educated, and or honest muslims admit the flaws in their Quran and its teachings. My best friends are still muslims in this country.
Mr. Spencer`s books and articles are all well written, I personally believe Mr. Derbyshire, maybe just wanted some name recognition!!!!?
P.S. There is no moral comparison between Christianity and Islam.

By: Andy Rigrod

Andy Rigrod — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:27:44 +0000

As a (near) atheist, I must say I find John Derbyshire’s statements – well written-though they may be – intellectual vacuous in the extreme. How about this whopper?

“* Irreligious people see all religions as equally preposterous.”

Oh, really? Does Derbyshire sincerely wish to equate Zen Buddhism to Wiccan theology? That is dead on stupid, with all due respect.

My feeling about Derbyshire is that he’s a preening narcissist trying to get attention via extreme statements. Pass.