Democrats Force ‘Birther’ Issue to Rise Again: What Gives?
For the entire campaign season of ’07-’08, the nation witnessed hordes of “journalists” hot on the trail of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe costs, her final pregnancy and childbirth, and her unwed daughter’s pregnancy. We American voters were privy in ‘08 to seeing the complete, suicidal destruction of a once-heralded media enterprise. Rather than take the responsible position of delving into the very, very important and pertinent non-disclosures of a presidential candidate, these media buffoons chose to lampoon the lady from Alaska with adolescent-styled mischief. The campaign coverage was so bad, so childish, so without real substance that on election day, voters still knew next to nothing of substance about the man who would be their next president.
Which brings us back to the original question as to why on earth the Democrat duo of Abercrombie and Matthews would want to raise the all-but-dead “Birther” issue. The country has beyond-huge problems on its plate and Obama has two years to go before his reelection bid.
As much as I detest Chris Matthews, he makes a very salient point, when he asks why on earth the president hasn’t just released the darned document. Barack Obama has been the defendant in more than a dozen eligibility lawsuits since 2008. He has employed legal counsel to answer every one of them; lawyers do not serve free for millionaires like Obama. The cost of supplying the long-form, original birth certificate, which has been said by many officials to be on file in Hawaii, is approximately $15. No matter how one does arithmetic, $15 is bound to be less than Obama has paid lawyers to prevent the release of said document.
Now, we have the governor-elect of Hawaii saying that he will take pains to have state law revised which will enable him to legally release “certain details” contained on the original birth certificate — presumably prior to the 2012 presidential election. It is possible, I suppose, that there are details on that birth certificate which belie the Obama narrative, details that might prove a substantive embarrassment of some sort.
A president elected on the strength of a narrative must protect that narrative at all costs. Abercrombie and Matthews are merely carrying water for the Obama narrative and attempting to divert the public’s attention from more substantive issues, namely the remaining dearth of real background data on the 44th president of the United States.
Journalism certainly isn’t what it used to be. Nor is it even a shade of what it’s supposed to be. Shame is too mild a word.
For all the modern press notables that slam Sarah Palin’s lack of intellectual curiosity, there isn’t a single American journalist who has demonstrated even a speck of the stuff when it comes to Barack Obama. It’s a purely disgusting state of affairs.
Birthers need to think a bit, and stop being distracted by the wrong question. Occam’s razor guys and gals!!
The mystery isn’t in the birth certificate – it’s in the other documents. Did he falsely indicate that he was a “foreign student” – and therefore eligible for grants and scholarships? Did he sign something saying that he was not an American citizen?
The best thing for everyone right now would be to say “We acknowledge that the President states that he was born in Hawai’i. However, there are judicious concerns regarding the suppression of other documents. This is unprecedented, and we demand the right of access to information that has been released on previous public figures.”
That’s OK as far as it goes, but it’s never going to go anywhere. You just have a talking point, you don’t have a plan.
The smart way to get O to release his records is to use leverage: get those with more power to put pressure on him to release his records. A couple million regular citizens signing a petition calling on him to release his records would have much, much, much less impact than even just a handful of top Dems doing the same or just a handful of MSM reporters looked into this matter with an open mind.
So, how do you do that? You do what I’ve been doing for a couple years: you discredit those MSM hacks and politicians who’ve lied or misled about the basic, indisputable facts of this matter. You force them into a choice: be intellectually honest, or lose credibility. That would force them to tell the truth about what we know and they’d put pressure on politicians to also tell the truth.
Yet, no one else is doing that. Instead of always just telling the truth, others engage in useless conspiracy theories or make things up.
One thing I could use help with now would be to get well-known “AntiBirthers” on record taking this test:
http://24ahead.com/n/10211
After three months and thousands of views, only one person has come close to figuring out the test.
Yeah…but, how do you shame people who are already beyond shame? “Journalists”, at least the MSM variety, gave up all claim of objectivity during the presidential election…they can’t lose what they have already lost.
The major tv networks plus NPR have become nothing more that America’s version of PRAVDA. They are actually funny to watch and listen to. Check out NPR “news” at the top of any hour…there will be story after story in support of leftist causes. The major media have become a hoot.
Who would gain from something coming out that would make Owe-bama ineligible? Hmmmm…it would be interesting to consider the Clinton’s applying the pressure. Nah, they wouldn’t do that.
“Owe-bama” is nice. I like it.
Well, if a certain Ms. Plain and any GOP candidate released all necessary records including a LONG FORM INTACT BC at the time they announced running for President, that would be a huge incentive for Obama to do the same. If he didn’t it would just look more suspect.
Also, the documents should be released by certifiable sources NOT some place like Snopes or Whitehouse.gov. Certifiable, non-political organizations only.
The documents you are requesting go to fitness. Eligibility precedes fitness. If he won’t cough up his birth certificate, fat chance he will cough up anything else.
I think he was born in Hawaii.
Where he was born should be a matter of certainty, not belief. The use of the term birthers to refer to people requesting production of a birth certificate is moronic.
Moronic is a good word for it. It also applies to the MSM for not pushing for release of his documentation to quell the uproar. I, for one, don’t believe a word out of his mouth period. Everything from him has a hidden agenda that is designed to benefit himself period.
Oh, and BTW, they’re bringing it up again just to keep the pot boiling. Trying to bait people into responses. They’re as bad as he is and just transparent.
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I do not know if you can go back and close the italics tag you opened in you post but it seems that not closing this tag has caused all replies since your post to still be under it so I will try it Myself and see if that doesn’t work.
It’s just lucky Barry never married a Star Trek actress and divorced her. Then we’d just find out how easy it is to release sealed records, right?
Well, OK. Maybe he’d have to be a Republican.
YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, ”WE THE PEOPLE” CANNOT DEMAND ANYTHING..WE COULD BE SENT TO JAIL FOR ASKING FOR INFORMATION, OR WE CAN BE HANGED..
WE ARE NOTHING BUT SLAVES,
GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL
Yes Erik, you are correct, the real issue is Obama’s dual nationality that precludes him from attaining the office of the Presidency. That however gets us nowhere when the judiciary finds no citizen has standing to question Obama the candidate or Obama the elected official. While the Senate took the time to pass a resolution addressing questions regarding McCain’s eligibility, questions about Obama didn’t even make it to the bottom of Harry’s in-file.
Where the b/c and other documents matter is in the most important court. The court of public opinion. More and more people are hearing that Obama has not released and has fought the release of documents we all have been required to present either by the government, for school, employment or a host of sundry circumstances. Even those who may not realize the extent that Obama has hidden, can’t understand why he won’t simply release his birth certificate as we’ve all had to do numerous times. Then there is the most important group where Obama is taking huge hits. Those who believed what the media told them, that Obama had released his birth certificate. He has not, the media lied and covered up for him and this group of people isn’t going to forget that.
They are the ones who will no longer believe what the media is peddling.
They are the ones who will walk into the voting booth with that voice in the back of their mind saying “Obama lies”.
They are also the ones who now question everything Obama has said and done and no longer believing the media do their own research.
An informed voter is one less for Obama.
This is why the birth certificate matters.
I think it’s obvious what is going on.
The long-form doesn’t have anything incriminating on it. It’s an orchestrated move that has been in the planning stage for a long time. They plan to use it to discredit the bithers and imply that everything else is similarly innocuous.
The birthers should have brought attention to the long list of withheld documents rather than just one. The all eggs in one basket strategy has its risks, and we are about to see them.
But also don’t be surprised that many or all of the other documents have nothing incriminating on them either. He might release them one by one, all the while using them to claim that Wright, Ayers, his palestine buddies, Jones, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., are also just as innocuous.
All this creep does is play hard-ball lying scheming politics. He probably has thousands of distraction mechanisms that they have gamed out for decades. All to distract the publics attention from who he really is.
Please tell me then, why has he spent 2 mil to keep the records sealed??
It’s been worth 200 million to him to fan the flames of the libbots, and probably several million votes.
But beside that, like any good marxist, he never spends a penney of his own money.
(ps; he is obviously also hiding acres of information about his perverted life. His whole life is a lie anyway, so why would this be any different? Whether or not it’s significant would probably depend on who is viewing it. If Rev Wright isn’t significant for millions of people, then he could probably eat aborted children for lunch and his cult members still wouldn’t care.)
Careful. Reminisce a bit. What are the real purposes of these anti-USA, anti-Constitutional totalitarians ?
They have done this before and got away with it,in a different scenario and different cast of characters. That earlier success proved the ease to further their plans for destruction of the USA as Constitutional Republic using the guardians, the sentrys, of the Constitution of the USA: its Congress and Court. They had, as conspirators must have, the patience to wait the development of their actions, and if necessary change the format.
The “honoured guests” invited to that play bought the scenes without noticing the purpose. Obvious with just a little detachment and watchfulness of the whole play. Not for nothing are the “entertainment” media a part of the coterie of these “progressives”. Script writers, directors and their actors in entertainment AND law ,actors on their stage,the Court, are THE EXPERTS in producing drama, thrillers, whatever to “entertain”. While the audience, distracted by the play / film, have their property stolen by the shills.
In this case the property, the RIGHTS protected in the Constitution of the USA under the guardianship of Congress and Court. Both of which manifestly failed that test of their resolve in that duty.
After which the Rights of Americans were salami sliced by these “progressives”. Until the entire sausage is virtually gone. Americans only now beginning to see they have been duped under the slogan equality and fairness by these hyenas, these gangsters.
Is the real purpose, consistent with the development of their agenda in the past half-century, the final step, checkmate, to that earlier MANIPULATION of the US Constitution. Successful using spurious law to their ends: THE TRIAL of the US Congress and Court of their willingness to UPHHOLD AND DEFEND the USA, its Constitution, Bill of Rights AND its lawful structure.
I of course mean Watergate. The show trial of the lawfully elected President as feint of their true purpose. The script written by the very groups which have written the dramas of the US political story since then. AND as KINGMAKER foisted the present incumbent on the sedated American electorate for the endgame. Remember the villain of this story was hated by “liberal” script-writers, producers and actors because of his activities and revelations of HUAC. AND that the Vietnam War was a creation of their beloved “Democratic” Party. All grist for their ideas. Put the two together and they had what they wanted to write their history of the unsuspecting American People at the end of the 20th century
They did another mockery of the US Constitution in the Clinton !”impeachment” which they played as French Farce to the amusement of the entire world. We might suppose they did this just for fun. And to emphasise to themselves what easy gulls Americans are, especially in that “honourable” body the Congress. The Congress failed in this test also, laughing along with the producers and actors in this farce, in this MOCKERY OF THE US CONSTITUTION.
Is this “birthers” activity to be the third strike to strike America out?
The reason Obama’s birth certificate is unavailable is because it shows under religion that he is a Muslim.
That is an extremely interesting point.
I suspect that your theory or some variant such as his mother was not actually married or some other embarrassing but not disqualifying fact would be revealed by the actual certificate. It is also possible Obama just enjoys the power to conceal his past. I find it astounding that his State Bar or State legislative records are immune to freedom of information act inquiries.
While I admit that I am a rabid birther, willing to listen to all speculations regarding dba Obama’s murky biography, I also regard the theory that there is a BC, but the doctor has listed there Obama as “white” -
This being a major embarrassment for him a) because he sincerely sees him as an African/ Black American, and 2) because all his public career is based on this selling point/ perception – there is no Dunham here, only Obama -
Still, $16 would calm the waters, wouldn’t it?
One huge problem with that theory.
Hawaii has verified at no time have they ever listed religion on any type of birth certificate, certification of live birth or registration of foreign birth since the government of Hawaii began keeping track of births and documenting it in any hard form. Not in 1961 when Obama says he was born, not in 1901 and not even today.
just a game, they really think we eill fall for this b.s. they must have did a pretty good job on this one?
I’ve often stated Erik’s observation above.
But, overall, I think we should not discount the most likely reason. Hawaii has elected a stupid person to public office. When you hear hoof beats, don’t automatically go looking for Zebras.
I couldn’t agree more with the meme that this idiot that has just gotten elected to Gov in Hawaii is shooting his mouth off without having first talked to the head man. Obama will tell this moron to STFU and stay away from his BC. If we all stop for just one minute and think of the huge insult Obama has thrown at the people of the US it is staggering. He has essentially told us to go to hell and that even though he is our President he isn’t required to disclose any details of his qualifications or life. Imagine if this Bozo had actually applied for a job with any company or agency in the world? He would still be unemployeed.
JustAl,
Occam’s Razor may prove apt here. After all, isn’t there some segment of the lame stream storyline that the birthers’ all wear tin foil hats since the One has released a birth certificate verifying Hawaii as his POB. Now this new Gov’ner elect throws water on that story by suggesting that the “real document” has remained unexamined all this time. Could notoriety and 15 minutes of stardom be the motivation? Either that, or it’s a rope-a-dope strategy with an old family friend. Regardless, it is designed to make Obama the victim and to distract from the misery of his governance.
As subjects of a marxist regime, we have no right to know, nor to ask.
And I agree with the posters above, this could be a trap.
Remember when the leftists dismissed every valid criticism with, “That’s McCarthyism?” They were able to change the issue without addressing the basic issue with that simple phrase.
The Obama pimps planed to do the same thing with, “You’re a birther!” Hidden in the Kenyan’s censored records is the real secret that he is hiding. This would be a lot more fun if he were not a Marxist, beloved of the media. In that case, we’d see in the Times that Obama has not released his medical records because he is and has been impotent and,therefore, couldn’t be the father of Michelle’s children. Sully would take t he lead there.
His school transcripts would reveal he just isn’t that bright and was very well protected by affirmative action liberals at his Ivy League universities. The text of any of his writings might prove he’s a plagiarist, again, well protected by liberal instructors.
Whatever it is, Obama is hiding something and, whatever it is, his handles believed that it was significant enough to build a conspiracy to keep it secret. It is even more significant today because we now have proof that Obama is a dumb, inept, shiftless, lazy, incompetent doofus.
Heck, it may be that Obama is, in fact, Kenyan born but we can’t prove that any more that we can prove that he was born in the US.
They ain’t that bright, and neither are we, wasting time and energy trying to explain this bastard.
One word is all it takes to explain BHO; TREASON.
He is a TRAITOR, pure and simple. It doesn’t matter where he was born, or went to school, or who he screwed or who he didn’t screw. He is screwing ALL of America. He is the definition of TRAITOR. He is working for the destruction of America. Everyone I listne to says the same things, except that ONE WORD… TRAITOR.
….YES ……
enemy within
The “birther” brouhaha is re-engaged from time to time to throw the right off the scent. It’s like chaff deployed from an aircraft to confuse a missile in pursuit.
Something else is afoot.
Nonsense. True conservatives can multi task.
Agreed. Maybe I should have said to throw the public off the scent.
Short answer, sympathy. The nasty thug in the WH needs all he can get. There’s enough stupidity to guaranty he gets it. And of course it’s also meant to show how crazy his opposition is.
And Chris Matthews knows crazy.
if job applicants are required to fill out I-9 forms when hired; why not candidates for elective office who are asking to be hired by us taxpayers?
I-9 should be part of election filing packets for all offices
Rather than be concerned about whether or not he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, I’ve always been concerned that his father was a British citizen, and under British law, the child has the same citizenship as the father. This in addition to the adoption and subsequent Indonesian citizenship question.
Why have the courts (or even the GOP) REFUSED to address these questions?
Does a person born of one parent a citizen and one parent a non-citizen or a person that became a citizen of a foreign country by way of adoption, qualify as a “natural born citizen” as required in the Constitution? Since the intent of that provision was to avoid having a POTUS with divided loyalties between the U.S. and another country.
In agreement with you, I suspect You KNOW why the Courts and legal authorities have not examined this. They are terrified to find something that requires them to do their job / their obligation to Protect / Defend the System of Law of which they are representative and servant. AND which is the function for which they are paid and honoured.
There’s that pesky Constitution and their Oath to it as Damocles Sword for any who knows his duty and does it like a man.
Obvious, nose-thumbing illegality in this administration suggests fundamental disrespect to the basis of the System of Law of the USA. Congress and Court talk, remain silent, fiddle with peripheral and local intersts, or argue procedure.While Obama acts increasingly imperial in his agenda. These guardians of the Law, the Legal System decline to “clear the air” because they. as ordinary citizens with no authority, suspect they are beng cynically played with by Obama and his cadres. AND they fear to discover just how much and why. You would think that curiosity alone about Obama’s actions would insist on their acting in their capacities as guardians of the Law.
IF they investigate and discover that Treason has been committed, they must learn that Obama is not alone, but instrument of the entire hierarchy of the “Democratic Party” / DNC of the USA.
And this of course would CHANGE everything. Better not to know ? Or not to be responsible for opening that dam and HOPE it will go away without harm to them OR the nation.
His father’s citizenship is NOT RELEVANT under U.S. law in effect at the time of his birth.
All that matters is where he was born.
Now, I agree his parent’s citizenship SHOULD matter, but in fact, it does NOT.
there is some kind of fix in.
most likely the fraudster was born in Hawaii but not of 2 american parents …so there is still an eligibility issue regarding natural born that would require the supreme court to resolve.
the guy is a sad excuse for a stand-up human being by any stretch of the imagination …yet here he is president of the USA.
it is beyond shocking that this could happen let alone did happen. the USA is on the brink of becoming like any backward african country. just imagine new orleands post Katrina. that is what every mid-sized to large inner city would look like in 6 months or so of a national catastrophe like no fuel for several months. even one season of bad crops in the northern hemisphere could do it.
Abercrombie knows how to get his name splashed around the U.S., and drum up some publicity.
I suspect he’s looking for a czar post.
For all the harm that’s lately been done by Barack Obama and his Democratic cohorts in Congress, the greatest damage — I contend — has been inflicted on America by members of the mainstream media.
Always, there will be scoundrels in politics — people who act in their own interest and the interests of those to whom they are beholden. But, when “the press” abdicates its Fourth Estate duties (as it has so completely in its effort to assist Barack Obama and his party), hand baskets begin inexorable treks toward hell.
So, no, you are not alone Ms. Shiver in wondering why Obama’s media toadies are raising the “birther” issue. I, too, smell a rat. In all probability, they are attempting to create a Straw Man — one that they can conveniently destroy.
WND world net daily had an article today that Abercrombie has all the sudden gone quiet on the ‘birther’ issue, A real HUMMM.
I have to add; The U.S. media is guilty of CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE for their lack of publication of facts they have in their possession, on Barry Soetero/Barrack Hussein Obama.
They are still engaging in the conspiracy, and think ‘We The People’ are ignorant of their actions.
Proreason @2
“The long-form doesn’t have anything incriminating on it. It’s an orchestrated move that has been in the planning stage for a long time. They plan to use it to discredit the bithers”
Yes! Listen to Matthews and the real reason behind raising this issue again becomes apparent:
Matthews on a poll related to scepticism about Obama’s birthplace: “Are you saying 43% of the country is incorrigibly stupid, or resistant to truth?”
Elitism of the Left.
“Sealed” and “not released” are code words in political-speak that mean “we have 8 years to cover these lies”.
Red Herring.
doesn’t matter if was born in the Lincoln bedroom, TheWon has gone with the story his birth father is the Kenyan/British citizen.
if anything, TheWon is a dual citizen = NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS
period
U.S. law does not recognize the existence of a thing called dual citizenship.
The ONLY thing that matters is WHERE HE WAS BORN.
I wonder if this is really worth worrying about at this stage of the game. Even if it were proved that Obama was not a citizen, what would the remedy be? Impeachment? Can you imagine that really happening?
Given the essentially lawless nature of the administration as demonstrated by the actions to date without the slightest protest from the media or Congress, what difference would a birth certificate or school transcripts make?
The only hope we have is to convince the electorate to reject a second term based on his actions in office, not the lack of documentation that should have been an issue prior to the election.
It would be either immediate removal or civil war. It would also mark the complete destruction of the Democratic Party.
Don’t underestimate the power of voter fraud.
There is only one thing to do to put this to rest. Release the long form. It has fathers name, fathers addrss, fathers occupation, same for mother. Doctor signs as attestation, i delivered this baby at his hour on this date at this hospital, sworn to, etc.
Release this and put “birthers” out of business.
And that is the ONE thing he will NEVER do.
One does not need to speculate about what detail would cause him trouble in order to be absolutely certain that at least ONE of the details will.
This is one of those situations that would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. Ms. Shiver’s laundry list of undisclosed records conerning Mr. Obama is among the clearest evidence we have of the circle-the-wagons-and-protect-at-all-costs mentality of the “prestige media” concerning their guy. Compare this silence with the excrutiating details (mostly trivial) that the press has lovingly dug up on every aspect of Sarah Palin’s life.
For me. the most interesting item is the reluctance to disclose Mr. Obama’s law school transcripts. This guy was the editor of the freaking Harvard Law Review and STILL could not get an article published. That’s a real red flag. Besides, if he had been a straight A student in law school we are sure to have heard about it loudly and and length to back up the contention that Mr. Obama is the smartest fellow int he world.
Bad Pennies, Bad Birthers?
I don’t know the derivation of the idiom, “to turn up like a bad penny,” but if it means that certain nasty things keep recurring for a reason, lots of “bad pennies” keep turning up in America.
One very nasty penny is the one that was thrown into the political ring almost three years ago by so-called “birthers,” people not much interested in Sir Elton John’s surrogate baby but who are very much interested in just who the hell our president is, where he really came from, and whether he should be deposed and sent back to Kenya to let the Village Nitwit, VP Biden, rule us for the next two years.
Those weirdo birthers have been treated by the mainstream media as disgruntled losers since even before Barack Hussein Obama became president, ever since they raised the question as to where he was born and why, to this day, he still refuses to authorize release of the only concrete evidence that would certify his eligibility to serve as president of the United States, a valid birth certificate.
Considering what’s at stake, such a request hasn’t been all that much to ask, except to Obama and his MSM. Now, that penny, that worm, is turning and whether it ends up to be a bad penny or bad worm is entirely in Obama’s court.
When an old bud and schoolmate suggests the president clear the fetid air surrounding his presidency by authorizing release of an official, verifiable, long-form Hawaiian certificate of birth, it would seem incumbent on Obama to comply. When an allegedly objective television political commentator who has admittedly and unashamedly experienced thrills running up his legs in the presence of his idol demands that the idol produce the damned thing, Obama should take heed as if it were a biblical injunction . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=3230
KAS, thanks for the comprehensive list of Facts We Don’t Know About the Prez (the list is so long, it’s easy to omit one or two).
I have no answers, just questions:
- If Assange, a walking smarm-ball with little evidence of extraordinary brain power, can access top secret US content, why can’t one journalist ANYWHERE find credible evidence of BHO’s most basic life history?
- Is hiring a disenchanted gay private to find and download El BO’s top secret background info the only viable solution?
- If the most basic job application process in the US requires more documentation than BO is willing/able to provide, shouldn’t we be changing our rules for political candidate eligibility? NOW.
- If El BO has nothing to hide, why has he been willing to spend time, money and energy on blocking such basic, innocuous information?
- And why, oh why is the first dog named BO, too?
Agree with the author, all the documents listed should be released.
What is he hiding? Clearly a lot. I’m guessing his parents were never married or his father is another man. Is he that smart? Does not appear so. I could go on speculating but the fact that no one in the MSM is curious is also alarming. If someone would like to start a fund to hire some people to vet this guy, count me in for a donation.
my problem with this issue goes to National Defense. we have an unknown quantity holding the fate of the earth in his slippery hands. he wants to assault and degrade us at airports to protect us, yet he refuses to seal a border leaking potential enemies (with who knows what) into our country like a sieve. he has caused a decorated American hero to go to prison in dishonor for years, so he can perpetrate his scam on the citizens of this country. those who have aided him should be remembered, judges. when he is finally brought to justice, and i pray he will in time, i seriously doubt he will go down alone, or w/o a fight. we have a problem Houston, and like any disease, will only get worse with time unless purged.
Here’s my afterbirther theory: It’s plausible that Obama was born in Hawai’i but not in a hospital. This would explain the bizarre behavior of the President in not producing a long-form birth certificate. If he plopped out at home, there would be no attending physician or documentation. He may not be producing a long-form birth certificate because it simply does not exist. He would be eligible for a Hawai’i COLB based on the testimony of his parents/guardians. Whether the information included in the COLB is factually correct is another story.
Let’s not forget: Terry Lakin is now in jail because of this odd President’s behavior. What does a leader owe his subordinates whose lives he puts at risk? Surely something better. This is a story of Conduct Unbecoming a President.
And he was actually a custodian that lived in the basement at Harvard, and borrowed some ones shirt and tie to lecture about how flawed the U.S. Constitution is.
Is this going to be a good movie, or what?
Interesting choice of words here. “Afterbirther theory”… Are you saying they threw away the baby and kept the afterbirth? Seems plausible.
Ha ha ha! LOL.
“Terry Lakin is now in jail because of this odd President’s behavior”? Really? I thought it was because he refused to follow orders from his superiors. Didn’t he agree to do that when he joined the Army?
Birthers are being egged on in hope this will make opponents of Obama look like nut jobs and racists.
If you pay attention, those talking about the birthers are mostly on the left. In their minds, the birther issue “proves” opposition to Obama is motivated by racism.
I don’t care if he can prove without a shadow of doubt that he was born in Cedar Falls, Iowa. He’s not fit to be in the White House. Perhaps someday again we will have a Congress inhabited by individuals who actually believe that it is their duty to abide by what is set out in the Constitution of the United States. What a bunch of useless public sector wimps. Serving in Congress is just unemployment benefits for the unemployable elite, I’ve decided.
If Barry is qualified to be the Democrat representative President, then his brother, living in a cardboard box in Kenya, is just as qualified, and would appreciate the United States a helluva lot more than Barry and Moochelle.
And just as legal.
the key to this whole thing is the Occidental College records, not the B.C. that’s why the B.C. keeps getting brought up to distract from the rest.
did Obama apply for financal aid as a forgien national when he entered O.C. or didn’t he?
we will never know unless we can see the docs
Kyle-Ann,
I love your writings, but I’m just curious why you and so many others believe a pathological liar like Obama about this? He lies about everything else, why trust him on this?
Just so curious how grandma dies the weekend before his election.
Happy New Year~sunshine is the best disinfectant~
And his family did not attend the funeral?
Obama “got some splainin to do!”
The explanation is simple and obvious: the Birther issue makes conservatives look like crazy conspiracy nuts, and there is nothing there to harm Obama. I have always maintained that if there was any actual doubt about Obama being born in the US, it would have been uncovered by the Clinton machine during the primary. It wasn’t, so therefore there’s nothing there.
Wrong, he had something on the Clintons. How do you think he would have gotten away with having Clinton called a racist? No way SlickWillie puts up with that if Obama did not have something on him or the “handler in Chief (Soros)” gave both of them the marching orders.
The reality is, regardless of which or all of his documents are revealing, there is so much bad stuff hidden from the light of day by all of the libs that Washington would turn in his grave if it all came out. We just need something to turn up so we can get some type of control back in the Peoples House.
Exactly. I suspect the Soros machine makes the Clinton machine look like amateurs.
Not even close. It is used to demonstrate how ineffectual conservatives are: afraid to demand a birth certificate? Not even in the game. The term birthers is used to show conservatives who controls the narrative. And it certainly aint those afraid to demand production of a birth certificate.
Cult of “Diversity” + Affirmative Action “ethnic grievance mongering” + Radical ideologies + Druggie = bHide the decline, always be well-scripted and most especially teleprompter ready.
I’m not quite sure what more obama can do re the birth certificate. I was under the distinct impression that it HAD been “released”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
What does he need to do – send it on tour around the country and let everyone hold it up to the light?
Curious question: For some reason I’m under the impression that once the president is sworn in, that’s it. Once that oath is administered by the judge, the argument is over. It’s done. It wouldn’t actually matter if the country discovered that obama was born in kenya (or wherever) unless congress decided to impeach him – because they’re the only people who can (constitutionally) remove the guy. And yes, I did apply the same reasoning to the first GWB election. I have a vague feeling that I might have read it in a tom clancy novel (the one after debt of honor, when ryan becomes president by default because nobody else is … available). Make your own decisions about whether that’s a reliable source
Crap -
In the simplest terms – so, if someone uses a stolen credit card for a transaction, the eventual, ulterior revelation that the transaction was fraudulent doesn’t void the transaction’s validity? And all the elements of the transaction – property, perps, etc. – shouldn’t be reevaluated?
Get real baby –
And in case you’re just an Obamatroll, I got to say that you really need some upgrading -
Wrong. Obama broke the law to hide his ineligibility and even he is not “above the law”–if our laws are enforced any more.
….yes it is a troll. it thinks it is clever.
it doesn’t understand that of the two types of people ….producers and parasites it is one or the other. it cannot be both.
at least not in an honest sense. you cannot steal from others and say it is a good thing because you helped someone with the things you stole.
You’re memory is a bit off. At the end of Debt of Honor, Jack Ryan is confirmed VP in a joint session of Congress. Then the President is killed and Ryan is sworn in as Prez. In the next book, Executive Orders, the disgraced former VP unsuccessfully tries to claim he never actually resigned and should therefore be President.
It is chilling to know that these books, published in 1995 and 1996, provided blueprints for the 9/11 attacks and possibly future biological warfare attacks. As much as I love my entertainment, our talented writers are figuring out strategies for our enemies.
Wasn’t it hillary’s camp that started this whole thing anyway. Bill ayers’ parents thought BO was from africa. I’m sure there was a time when people thought he was from indonesia and other times when they were told he was from hawaii. I heard that when he got his law license he swore that he went by no other name than BHO. Anyone that has to lie about their identity obviously has more to hide.
Terrorist Bill Ayer’s parents aren’t the only ones who think that al-Bama’s from Africa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME
Muslims hate dogs.
Michael Vick tortured dogs.
0bama goes out of his way to praise Michael Vick’s return to football.
Co-inky-dink? I don’t sphinct so.
Barry Hussein reveals himself all of the time and the MSM play deaf/dumb/blind.
did Vic join the muslim brotherhood while in jail ?
No you are not the only one wondering. My opinion is that they are desperately trying to focus attention on anything other than the incoming class of freshmen Rep. (mostly conservative) Congressmen. They want something they consider “stupid” to beat the right with and remind the country how “lame” conservatives are.
I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it. I have two children born to my husband and I overseas. We have birth certificates but we also have a “report” of birth abroad. They are two different things.
If Mr. Obama wants to put this to rest all he has to do is make Hawaii release a birth “certificate”. That’s all, it all goes away. Nothing to see here. Move along.
So the real question is just what is he trying to hide?
Why doesn’t Obama just release the long form certificate? Because conspiracy theorists are unlikely to change their opinions even when presented with “evidence” and doing so — according to experts — just fans their flames even more (creating more conspiracy theories, etc). The best way to deal with the situation is to do what Obama has done and ignore them.
So if proof won’t prove anything, you don’t need proof. Circular logic.
I agree with the posters who say that these two lefties are raising the birth certificate issue (1) to paint those opposed to Obama as crazy birthers thereby delegitimating conservatives/independents opposed to his pending rule by regulation and (2) to deflect attention from all the other documents cited. I have said since the spring of 2008 if this guy got great grades in bona fide courses, he’d have taken out campaign ads to brag about his GPA. The fact that he hasn’t is highly suggestive. The other thing I find so odd is that unlike every other president in my lifetime, people from his past aren’t coming out of the woodwork to talk about him. So he was either a total wallflower – or the people who knew him back when have a lot to hide themselves … Take your pick, but I’m leaning toward the latter rather than the former based on his circle of friends and acquaintances among the radical Chicago crowd.
As a brand new Air Force Officer candidate, I was required to provide, on Day One of Officer Training School, two forms of documentation: 1) Birth certificate or other documents proving I was a bonafide citizen of the United States, and 2) college transcript proving that I had met the academic requirements to be a college graduate and an officer of the U.S. military. If I had failed to provide both, back home I would have gone.
Accusations about any deception on the part of Obama and his supporters aside, shouldn’t someone who aspires to the office of Commander-In-Chief of the U.S. armed forces at least be required to live up to the same standards as those he wishes to lead?
I don’t think that Kyle-Shriver got it right –
Abercombie’s really rocking the boat – his interview and promise are all over the MSM, and I simply can’t see how this development helps Obama’s cause -
[...] “In a sign of how politically radioactive the issue is, White House officials would not comment on the remarks by Abercrombie” [...] (CNN)
So -
Is Abercrombie just a lose canon -
Or what he’s doing is a calibrated, pre-emptive job, designed to ease in some revelations – and this course of matters having been scheduled by forces outside the WH, like some Dems/ CIA who upon studying the increasing traction the birther issue’s getting, decided that the approach of dilluting things (as it has been ’till now used by Obama’s team) has became counterproductive, and want to cause:
a) a confrontation, or…
b) to force Obama out of the 2012 race -
I can’t see what legal venues the state of Hawaii can find to make dba Obama’s “vital records” – hehehehe – available for scrutiny without Obama’s approval – nutty ol’ Neal, what’s in his mind?
Yeah, he’s not helping dba Obama – at all, at all -
Somethin’s stinkin’ here –
Then this affair’s gotten from the MSM an unusual respect -
All what you read hasn’t been written to appease the liberals, or bash birthers – just some dry, almost ominous comments –
One thing is clear – the Birther cause has sure gotten respect lately -
Looks like we’ll have an interesting 2011 -
To hell with his birth certificate. I want to see Obama’s academic records. The man is a fraud. He is no scholar and he is no intellectual — although he plays on t.v.
Could it be that the long form lists another man as BHO’s father? Or another woman as his mother? Obama created a name for himself with dreams from his father. It would be embarrassing if Obama Sr. turned out not to be his biological father.
To imagine young Stanley Ann Dunham flying to Kenia to give birth is not very plausible. The journey wasn’t easy then even for people who weren’t about to deliver a baby. Some shameful truth is hidden in the long form.
Our very own Manchurian candidate.
The Birther controversy is very important to Obama, and he needs to keep it going. It is important because it allows the media and his lackeys (OK, so I am being redundant) to paint all of his critics as crazy. To silence this arguement is to legitimize the opposition to his policies.
It’s crazy to suggest that demanding proof of eligibility is crazy.
Could it be that the long form lists another man as BHO’s father?
According to some people, Obama’s father was listed in Kenya as a white for being 3/4 Arab. If proven, then in addition to the suspicions about Obama’s loyalties in the WOT he would lose the racist Black vote (when you vote for a skin color instead of for a person then you are being racist).
Communists list Abercrombie as a member bit.ly/hsZdwS
Chris Matthews Calls Saul Alinsky One Of His Heroes bit.ly/fKi7bo
In a few years we’ll be having trials for traitors. We’ll see how smug these clowns are then.
As “Harry” (Czech Republic) posted on Yahoo, “Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”
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There are so many reasons to oppose Dear Liar. The least of them is His birth. But this is a typical Leftist tactic: take the most absurd reason for opposing them, and make it the central theme of the opposition; thus the opposition is absurd.
Ignore the marxist infused fascism of The Whine’s policies, because the MSM likes it, and make all opposition to Him “birthers,” same as black helicopters, or aliens at Area 51, et al. It is arising again, now, because the GOP is set to take the House, and thus control the purse strings. Make them all absurd “birthers” and how could Obowmao govern with such an absurd opposition. Which then leads to the next step, “how about we do away with such opposition, after all, they are mere absurd ‘birthers’.”
“The Whine” is brilliant. I love it!
Good point about the leftiots picking the most extreme views of the right and claiming they represent the whole.
I’ve said all along that it will be a democrat who will find out and release this stuff when the POTUS became a liability to the democrats, as he surely is now. Whenever I’ve had the audacity to say it, of course, I’m labeled a kook, stupid, an imbecile, a hick, and just downright ignorant. Hey, maybe I’m not so dumb after all?
I’ve been thinking along those lines too. PERHAPS, despite all the caterwauling, the Dems did learn something from the 2000 election (that election was so close that Mr Gore would almost certainly have won RE-election, had “Sex between the Bushes” been impeached and convicted a year earlier).
I think the left is relying on the Alinsky-inspired ridicule weapon to get Barrack over this latest speed bump. It’s always worked in the past, why not now?
Once again, Kyle-Ann asks the questions no one else does. And thank goodness for that, for many would let this Alinsky strategy pass by like a pesky fly. I put this into the same strategy as talking about Michael Vick, while the country is going down the tubes and gas is going over $3.00 a gallon. Thank you, Kyle-Ann for keeping tabs on this very dangerous man!
Blagoslovljene praznike~blessed holidays:)Yes! Kyle~Anne’s a mama grizzly!
Celebrated my mom’s 79th B-Day this week. We immigrated to USA in 1967 from Slovenija then Yugoslavia. Mom refreshed my memory of the Uncle from Moscow later Daddy Cold that was celebrated on New Year’s Day. Schools were in session on Christmas day as well as work of course. ‘New Year’ trees were on sale only AFTER Christmas. Think it can’t happen here? Think again. Much at stake. Much work to do in 2011. Godspeed to mama grizzlies everywhere.
The truth always surfaces in time…Sometimes it takes decades. At this point, since American voters elected someone who only spoke in fancy abstract rhetoric and about whom no one knew anything concrete, his background is irrelevant. He is now being judged on what he does, since everything is in the same direction – dictatorship and economic destruction. His election is not a problem in itself, but a symptom of mass indoctrination over many years when blacks were told they should hate white people and white voters thought a black president would end the 50-year hate of blacks toward whites and finally mark a point where the NAACP and hate-mongers like Jackson and Sharpton would leave the stage. Obama was viewed as the realization of ML King’s dream, that we would all finally see that there is only one race, the human race.
Anyone who has read ‘New Deal or Raw Deal’ sees the current president following FDR’s playbook, which kept him in office for 13 years until he died….He used the FBI, the IRS and union thugs to retain power over the press. In 1937, a Gallop poll showed 47% of Americans believed the policies were leading to a dictatorship….In 1939 the unemployment rate was over 20%….It seems to me the old media haven’t been investigative journalists for decades. Under FDR, any journalist who criticized him faced investigation and lawsuits.
Fortunately, we now have the internet and Fox News…Will Obama destroy the freedom of the press? If history teaches us anything, it is that he will most likely destroy Fox’s investigative reporting and internet news sites that criticize his policies.
When the truth surfaces, Americans will have learned a hard lesson; never vote for anyone without vetting that politician.
When the truth surfaces, Americans will have learned a hard lesson; never vote for anyone without vetting that politician.
When the truth surfaces, what guarantee do we have we will still be allowed to vote?
the lesson learned may be a revelation too late.
if the lesson will be taught by reading the memoirs of a gulag survivor a hundred years from now.
As I look over a photostat copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate long form,I see only two things of concern…age of Mother at time of birth (embarassing?)…race and address of Father ( incriminating?)I believe BHO was born in Hawaii. But I beleive even in the liberal 60′s, if the mother was 16 at the time of birth, then she could have been 15 at the time of conception, and that would be “rape of a minor”…Also the fact that BHO Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and British subject could have weighed on the minds of the “parents”. So maybe they put down something which ,at that time ,seemed ok…something that would be a problem later?
1) Obama couldn’t be eligible to be a police officer based on his past radical associations alone.
2) It is strange that, practically on the same day and apparently of one accord, FOX News and all other conservative news agencies dropped the birther issue and now VEHEMENTLY claim they know Obama was born in this country.
3) I still say keep an eye on Hill and Bill at the bottom of this re-emergence of the birth certificate question.
When Chris Matthews and Abercrombie both come out near the same time and say release the birth certificate, you can bet it is a coodinated media
strategy. I am sure if there was something really important with the birth certificate, the Clinton’s would have found it and released it. Remember they always had the biggest opposition research team and used it well to discredit all the “bimbos” and other political opponents.
If indeed his father was actually the Kenyan, then Barack is not a “natural born citizen”. He is a dual citizen. But, I think the real important info is buried in the other documents. Did he claim he was a foreign student to get scholarships? Did Sotoreo adopt him and thereby lose his U.S. citizenship? What was in his passports records? Where did he travel and why when he was in college? Where did he get the money to travel from? What is on the tape from the Rahid Kahlidi’s going away party and why does the LA Times have it under lock any key? Why did
Kenya expel Jerome Corsi when he went to Kenya to investigate Barack?
All I can say is that Obama/Soros must have been holding a pretty frightening stick to shut up FOX News, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. all on the same day. I can’t imagine what it was/is because I don’t think that way, but there was a suspicious “coodinated media strategy” when all the birth certif speculation was dropped simultaneously. I don’t believe in coincidences.
As for your other questions, I concur 100%.
This issue is resurfacing now because it has taken this long to create the birth certificate and maybe other hidden documents in a way that they look authentic. The only birth certificate that Obama had put on the web page did not pass the authentic test.
I’m satisfied that the man’s an American by birth, and an American citizen. But rather than an overclever species of “psyops,” this latest news strikes one as a characteristic move by a drifting, undisciplined administration & circle of supporters that have already turned “unforced errors” into an art form.
During the FDR days, the “press” kept FDR’s paralysis largely hidden from the people.
During JFK’s days, the “press” kept JFK’s womanizing vice largely hidden from the people.
Does anyone really think that the “press” in BHO’s days can’t keep BHO’s fraud largely hidden from the people?
Item #1: http://theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm?ref=nf
So my dear, Kyle-Anne…you see two leftist ideologues who have spent nearly three years collectively covering for Obama, suppressing the vetting of him, cheerleading for him him, bowing and scraping, worshipping him as nearly a deity…and they both suddenly and concurrently come out with “birther” resurrection statements…and this makes you suspicious? The leftist governor of the state that covers Obama’s tracks and the the most groveling cur in the lapdog media that covers up everything else…now want “transparency” on this issue, seems out of character to you? LOL…yeah, me too.
Ok, we can hopefully all agree that Abercrombie & Fetch have an ulterior motive.
It’s a leg snare. But to what end? To put the scent off the trail of something else? To bubble up a bunch of chatter on a subject in which they can heap ridicule and scorn and damage the opposing brand? To keep an issue alive that divides the “other side” so the creation of a greater rift or chasm makes it easier to conquer?
Maybe one or all of the above. What you brilliantly point out is that the shroud around the then “candidate” Obama involved a level of information blockading that is unprecedented. It’s not merely that the “vetting” was absent, it was aggressively intercepted and sealed off. People may forget that Stanley Kurtz was on to something even back then, which prompted his in-depth study that formed the basis of Radical-In-Chief. The blockade continues to this day.
The long form is merely one of hundreds of documents that a Wikileaks hacker could have a field day with, but not sure that leftists would find the subject matter revelations worth exposing. Or maybe that’s the point. They can control what information is worthy of spilling into the public consciousness. And they coverup the rest.
What would we do with the revelation that Obama was “technically unqualified” to run for President? Make him the Un-President? Even impeachment hearings would take long beyond the election day of 2012.
There are those who will not believe the evidence, no matter what it shows. On both sides. It would certainly destabilize the nation…how could the “leader” of the free world bargain with others if he is not fully recognized as “legitimate”…I mean, officially being questioned as to his legitimacy…while in office…not just by a portion of the public.
I think there is much to discover about the deep…(and not so deep) background about the very interesting past of Barack Obama. But the lapdog media is not a disinterested party. They are not incurious about that background. They are sentries at the gates, conspiring to destroy access to it. As are leftist politicians and their troops.
There is something there they clearly want not to be seen. But, I don’t think it will be found on the long form birth certificate. In fact, I don’t think it will be found at all. Ever.
And maybe, just maybe…for all the wrong reasons, that’s better for us as a nation…depending upon what happens between now and December 2012.
….if revelations make it the “un-president”.
well then I think it would be incumbent on the security agents closest to him to neutralize the threat in the white house.
there still needs to be a discussion (in the court) regarding natural born status. both parents were not american citizens, a reading of the constitution and it’s historical papers indicate that he does not qualify for this perspective. so it doesn’t matter that it (obuma) was hatched inside the USA or not.
the biggest joke on the citizens of the USA is that one can not even get such a simple request answered.
rule of law …the American constitution is shredded. it is over.
the world is laughing. I am not.
Paging Darrell Issa, paging Darrell Issa…anything to investigate here?
If Julian Assange wants to move beyond his 15 minutes of fame, why not leak information about TheWon? The author has provide a good “shopping list”…call me not-so-nice, the idea that two world-class narcissist might turn on each other is appealing.
Because they are both working towards the same end, the destruction of America’s capability to defend itself.
Call me a ‘birther’, a ‘proofer’ or whatever comes to mind because I can guarantee you, as a trucking dispatcher, I have been called much worse & disgusting things.
Now, to the birth certificate & Mr liar, liar, pants on fire Abercrombie. I think you are all missing the direct point. Right before the 2008 election, Obama’s granny dies & ergo, public sympathy rises & the fence sitters cast a sympathy vote for Obama. Now we are moving into the 2012 election cycle. What better way to get the support of the Obama fence sitters than to divert attention away from his incompetence to the fact that the birthers are disparaging the good names of Obama’s deceased parents.
Abercrombie’s mistake came when he claimed that he was at several functions with the “Obama family, including baby Barack,” in Hawaii when there is irrefutable evidence in the form of college transcripts & housing information that prove that Stanley Ann was in Seattle from late Aug of 1961 through the spring session on 1962. Stanley Ann didn’t return to Hawaii until Obama Sr had left for Harvard. Therefore, Abercrombie is up to nothing more than additional Alinsky tactics to cover-up the truth and get a jump on the 2012 election. Too bad it is going to come back to bite him in the arse that he is.
I believe it’s a ploy, an Alinsky/Axelrod/Soros ploy!!! I always tell family/friends who say he isn’t born here, or that he is a muslim, don’t go down that road, that is what they want….
I don’t know why they are doing it, but it is a ploy!
People whether they have opinions on his birthplace of not need to ask themselves one simple question. What kind of person sitting in such a high office toys with the American people this way? What kind of people in other offices, Military, Supreme Court, and Congress allow that person to do it? The fact is, he is in a position of power and trust. I don’t think it’s asking a hell of a lot for him to release records so people can know his true background. For this reason alone, he isn’t fit to be where he is. He never deserved the title of President of the United States. He was elected for one reason only. It’s his complexion. He isn’t brilliant, he was the least qualified, and he’s as detestable a human being as they come.
That is a damned good point. I believe that what you so clearly and eloquently put has been brewing in my mind as an unformed thought. This is exactly right and really shows what kind of character this jerk has. Brilliant!
For those that say they believe he was born in Hawaii, considering his history of lying, can I ask why you believe him?
The whole birth certificate thing is left unaddressed because it’s a red herring. If any proof were put out there that he was born in Hawaii, the birthers would just say it was forged, blah blah blah.
The more important thing to have addressed is his education in indonesia. In order to attend the medrasa (sp) there, his mother had to drop his US citizenship and pick up at the very least dual citizenship on his behalf in indonesia. The point being that there is no record of him dropping dual citizenship or indonesian citizenship, and even if he did it doesn’t matter because he is NOT eligible to be president if he held ANY other citizenship other than from the USA.
THAT is the issue that makes him illegitimate as president, even more so than the birther thing. I really wish people would pay attention to the right issue here.
while we are all trying to figure out what is in this witch’s brew, let’s not forget there was also some controversy about his numerous Social Security numbers. it has been said that the one he uses currently comes from a state where he never lived; and, he has been linked to others. i asked a big time cop friend why/who/wtf would someone want to have multiple S.S. numbers. he said that would be a con man doing something underhanded, like identity theft, getting benefits belonging to others, that sort of thing.
obiwon may as well come clean. the truth will be told so long as we remain free. these guys may have pooped in their own plates by bringing this all back up. the masses are finally starting to understand some of their name-shifting tactics. this type of questioning on the net of the undocumented one is probably part of the free speech he wants to stop. Fox has always been quick to back off a topic when the left starts playing name games. its crazy, lunacy, birthers, and so forth. again, this looks like con artist/community org. sort of stuff. deflecting truth by injecting obfuscation is not a new tactic, but against ignorance it really isn’t a fair contest. many are being more educated by the www all the time.
honey, would you put a little more butter on that popcorn? this mystery whitehouse theater is starting to get really good.
Barry’s father wasn’t an American citizen, he was a British subject. This means baby Obama isn’t a natural born citizen, and is therefore ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
No ordinary American citizen can get any job, much less a high-profile, highly responsible top executive position, without disclosing all of the information that this lying phony in the White House is so desperate to withhold. Surely that tells normally intelligent adults that Bumba is hiding something. What could it be? Hm?
Almost all of West’s links to request for information about Obama records come from World News Daily, Orly Taitz, or Debbie Schussel. Sorry, folks, these sources are so tainted that the info will get tossed out immediately by anyone who doesn’t already believe them. I clicked through to some of the source documents, which look authentic, but if I were going to try to convince people to take these documents seriously I would have to use different sources. If they saw where these docs came from they would tune me out immediately.
I’m not saying I feel that way, but in the world of the average Joe, that’s reality.
Given your attitude we might as well just give up and raise the communist red flag over all public buildings because we’re then in the same state as the Soviet Union when dissidents were labeled “insane” and locked away in mental institutions.
I think we all need to say that we’re Orly Taitz et al (I’m Spartacus!) and grab ‘em by the nose and kick ‘em in the ass until the truth comes out. No one is above the law. If we allow this to be in the United States we have sold our birthright for a bowl of pottage.
its a nice attempt to marginalize the conservative movement esp like the teaparty. they get birthirs to come out again and it makes us look like idiots. Birthirs look: even if you are right you will never EVER be able to proove it or use it to hold hearings in time to get Obama impeached. EVER even if he gets another term. Short of him comming out on national tv and admitting it it wont happen. All you do is make us look like idiots. Pick your battles. Do like eliot ness..couldnt ever get capone on mob stuff so they got him on taxes. Obama is racking up MORE than enough crap thast you can proove and use against him than the birth thing. Drop it and move to that rather than hurt everything we worked for. Thats what libs are counting on, dont give it to them.
got spell check? Listen up folks………..if you are all still bending over and knees buckling at a little name calling, the conservative movement is a bust at best! Stop cow towing to Alinsky tactics and ask the hard questions! Jeesh, you sound like a bunch of school kids trying to win over the popularity contest without being called a suck up. Get over it! Who cares about the name calling????????? Get the dang documents uncovered!
Intelligent, thinking, finally vocal conservatives are scaring the poop out of the Marxists. There is some pleasure in that, eh? They’ve had it all their way for so long. That’s why they make so many bone-headed mistakes. They’re not used to being called on it. This explains Oblunder in Wonderland with idiotic “the police acted stupidly” and Michael Vick remarks. Keep the conservative news, talk radio, and web sites going. We’re an integral part of the revolution.
Right on! And the more people catch on to what ObamaWorld will look like (15% unemployment, $5/gallon gas, etc.) the more they’ll go to such sources of information and grow to hate both the propaganda organs and the administration. Then the pendulum will swing forcibly back to the right.
These goons really did a con job on America and all of it needs to be exposed, starting with Baby Barry’s birth certificate and ending with his Cloward-Piven playbook.
Agreed. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us.
by now they have had time to make a decent forgery and other details that needed to be seen too.
If Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, does anyone have an explanation for why several Hawaiian newspapers published announcements of his birth?
I believe he was born in Hawaii, but if he was not, the announcements aren’t difficult to explain.
If they were just an innocent family whose daughter had an oopsie pregnancy and traveled to Kenya or some other country to disguise the circumstances of the birth, the grandparents might have arranged announcements purely out of embarassment.
But if you believe as I do that the grandparents and mother were being handled even at that early date, it could all be part of the cover story. There is considerable evidence that the grandparents had been communists for years and that Obama’s mother was already a committed leftist America-hater at the age of 18, so it seems entirely reasonable to me that all of the circumstances of the birth might have been arranged. Multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-national, multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-sexual isn’t a combination that happens very often by sheer happenstance …particularly in 1961. Note also that there is no physical resemblence between Obama and the alleged father, but little lenin resembles his mother (and paternal grandfather) a lot. Also, there is no evidence that the mother and Obama Sr ever lived together for even a day.
It was the strangest birth of the strangest life for any significant figure in 100+ years of American history.
Oh, then let’s elect him President to show how open minded we are.
There’s undisputed (by BHO) evidence that:
1. The fellow’s father was an arabic name carrying (Barack Hussein) muslim (turned atheist) from Kenya, who gave his son the same arabic name.
2. At the time BHO Sr “married” BHO Jr’s mother BHO Sr was already married in Kenya to another woman – thus the “second” marriage wasn’t legal in the US because there isn’t any evidence the first was dissolved prior to the second.
2. BHO attended a Catholic Elementary School in Indonesia under the name “Barry Soetoro” while his religion was listed as “islam.” There isn’t any evidence BHO Jr ever changed his name back to BHO from Barry Soetoro, or his religion from islam back to Christianity.
All these three items, (the first because it implies dual citizenship at the time of birth, and the other two because they involve cover-up of acts which violated US Law – phony marriage by his daddy, not declaring to the Illinois Bar that he has used another name during his prior life) render him unqualified to hold the Office he does.
And this, only with information we already have and he doesn’t despute. The birth certificate issue, and the release of all other documents might reveal more, but they aren’t really necessary.
The question is: in this era when the Constitution and the Laws of the land don’t really matter to this Administration, do the 67 million morons who voted for this fraud care about all this? My hunch is, probably not.
76. Get serious
“There’s undisputed (by BHO) evidence that:
1. The fellow’s father was an arabic name carrying (Barack Hussein) muslim (turned atheist) from Kenya, who gave his son the same arabic name.
2. At the time BHO Sr “married” BHO Jr’s mother BHO Sr was already married in Kenya to another woman – thus the “second” marriage wasn’t legal in the US because there isn’t any evidence the first was dissolved prior to the second.
2. BHO attended a Catholic Elementary School in Indonesia under the name “Barry Soetoro” while his religion was listed as “islam.” There isn’t any evidence BHO Jr ever changed his name back to BHO from Barry Soetoro, or his religion from islam back to Christianity.”
Please provide the links to your so called “evidence” of the above. Credible evidence that would be admissable in a court of law.
Obama uses the “birther” theories to ridicule and discredit his opponents, so don’t expect him to release the long form certificate.
If it were possible to prove Obama was not a natural born citizen, the Clinton cronies would have done it, during the Primary Season. Instead, they were, allegedly, the source of the original “birther” rumors.
Several people paid big fines and went to jail for unauthorized looking at candidates’ passport files. If they would have found a “smoking gun” in Obama’s passport file, it would have been used by the defense as justification for the snooping into the files.
Ironically, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the only Democrat considered capable of mounting a primary challenge in 2012, is now the official custodian of passport records.
So, other than Obama, Hillary Clinton is the only person who can permanently put this issue to rest. Since she has no friends among the people Obama uses the issue to discredit, she has no incentive to do anything. at least until the next primary season, but that assumes a “smoking gun” exists. If she runs and no “smoking gun” is revealed, you can assume it doesn’t exist.
Now, if I were a conspiracy theorist, I would assume that Obama’s real birth certificate in the State Department passport files was already replaced with a “corrected” one.
“If it were possible to prove Obama was not a natural born citizen, the Clinton cronies would have done it, during the Primary Season.”
Blackmail all around and may the Black male win. The goods they had on each other neutralized each other–Mutually Assured Destruction–hence the “honest” process we got for the Democratic nominee.
Hillary Clinton got the end run done on her campaign. there was voter fraud that allowed obama to beat her in the primaries.
I am sure that obama has more on hillary then the other way round.
It’s not BHO himself, but his handlers (including the CIA, the Bilderberg Group guys – Gates, Buffett, Soros, etc) who had the goods on Hillary (does the name Vince Foster ring any bells?)
It was a Hillary guy (someone by the name of Tim Adams, Chief Elections Clerk with the Hawaii government in 2008) who first stated that there isn’t a long form BC in BHO’s files with the Health Department there, and that everyone in Hawaii’s government knows that. For those interested, Google him.
just make a short trip over to you tube and search the Texas caucus robbery of the primary campaign. NOI in tow. And Texas wasn’t the only state this happened in. Hillary, in my humble opine, was black mailed first. And wonder why the media never discusses the dead people from the State Department passportgate? hmmmm.
The Russians are building two nuclear reactors in Venezuela and the Iranians are building the bases and mobile launching facilities for them. Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops will man them.
The President is playing golf.
American media will take the bait every time.
A distracted America is a defeated America.
The Iranians are shipping the missiles to Iran. They can reach American cities.
should read Iranians are shipping missiles to Venezuela.
Critical thinking is needed : 12/23/2010
It is a fact that a lot of people don’t believe Obama was born in Hawaii. But they do believe he was raised and mentored there. People sense that he does not feel any loyalty to the United States. Hawaii became a state in 1959, and he was born in 1961. There is no way that Hawaiians became loyal to the United States in those two years or to this day. People who raised and mentored him did not like the United States. Just read some of the history of Hawaii before it became a state. Then there is a video of Michelle Obama speaking on April 3, 2010 about HIV testing. She said, “Barack has led by example. When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test…” The definition of home country is, the country in which a person was born and usually raised, regardless of the present country of residence and citizenship. According to Michelle, Obama was born in Kenya. According to news reports, Obama has spent almost $2.0 million to fight off law suits questioning his place of birth and wanting to see the long form birth certificate. In a Hawaiian newspaper, two notices of his birth appeared. It still isn’t clear which of the two hospitals he was born in. There is enough evidence that should make intelligent people quit making fun of birthers and start some critical thinking. That is what the intelligent and highly educated Lt. Col. Lakin did. Watch the video. Michelle Obama: Barack’s Home Country Is Kenya.mp4
What is the chance that Michelle Obama doesn’t know what home country means? She graduated with honors in 1985 from Princeton University with a B.A. in sociology and a minor in African American Studies. She graduated from Harvard Law School in 1988. With that background, she knows what home country means. Why did she say that during her speech knowing she was being taped? Why did the press give her a pass on that comment? What is the chance that Barack Obama is NOT trying to hide his birth certificate because of where people think he was born? He could be hiding it because of some other information on that certificate that he doesn’t want known. We need to know.
It is a fact that a lot of people don’t believe Obama was born in Hawaii. But they do believe he was raised and mentored there. People sense that he does not feel any loyalty to the United States. Hawaii became a state in 1959, and he was born in 1961. There is no way that Hawaiians became loyal to the United States in those two years or to this day. People who raised and mentored him did not like the United States. Just read some of the history of Hawaii before it became a state. Then there is a video of Michelle Obama speaking on April 3, 2010 about HIV testing. She said, “Barack has led by example. When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test…” The definition of home country is, the country in which a person was born and usually raised, regardless of the present country of residence and citizenship. According to Michelle, Obama was born in Kenya. According to news reports, Obama has spent almost $2.0 million to fight off law suits questioning his place of birth and wanting to see the long form birth certificate. In a Hawaiian newspaper, two notices of his birth appeared. It still isn’t clear which of the two hospitals he was born in. There is enough evidence that should make intelligent people quit making fun of birthers and start some critical thinking. Watch the video. Michelle Obama: Barack’s Home Country Is Kenya.mp4
What is the chance that Michelle Obama doesn’t know what home country means? She graduated with honors in 1985 from Princeton University with a B.A. in sociology and a minor in African American Studies. She graduated from Harvard Law School in 1988. With that background, she knows what home country means. Why did she say that during her speech knowing she was being taped? Why did the press give her a pass on that comment? What is the chance that Barack Obama is trying to hide his birth certificate because of where he was born AND because of some other information on it he doesn’t want known. We need to know.
Brilliantly put, Michael. And while I’m unsure as to whether al-Bama was born in Kenya and whether this is what Michelle Antoinette had in mind when he repeatedly called Kenya “Barack’s home country”, I am sure of this: both of them do not like and are ashamed of America because they live in the America-hating narrative of the radical left.
Also, a new caste system is emerging in America (and Western Europe) based on perceived victimhood status and on not being part of the traditional “dominant” culture. Perhaps Michelle Antoinette called Kenya “Barack’s home country” in order to elevate him even higher (to ‘Obrahmin’ status?) in this new paradigm among the fellow travellers present at that speech? Either way, it is EXTREMELY DISTURBING that the then future wife of a president would say such a thing so proudly. And this is just another item on the list for these America-hating communists.
I’ve always enjoyed your take on things, Kyle-Anne, but I have to admit that your opening sentence was a little off-putting. It seems to be a defensive strategy employed by other writers on this topic as an attempt to separate themselves from those crazy “birthers” thereby making their subsequent remarks more credible. Let’s call things as they are – there has been a criminal conspiracy that has been going on for several years now to conceal the true background of this president in which the MSM have played a very prominent role. Everything about this matter is backwards. It is not up to any one of us to prove or disprove anything, one way or the other. How can we when all the records have been kept sealed, often at great expense, or hidden? In a normal universe and not the Looking Glass world we currently inhabit, it would have been entirely the obligation of Obama to prove his eligibility. But he has never done so. And of course the MSM would never ask because they are in on it. It has been an odd bit of legal trickery in that while the Constitution requires that a president be natural born, this president apparently is under no legal obligation whatsoever to actually prove it, and what all the court challenges have shown that there is no one in the entire country who has sufficient “standing” before a court of law to force him to prove it.
I agree. Kyle-Anne, I too love your stuff and this is another damned good article but why come at it with your head down like that? Ohiolad is right — what the hell is going on with this whole cover up of this communist’s past? And as someone above put it: what sort of character does this man-child have to perpetrate such a thing and visit it upon the American people?! John McCain is a war hero from a long line of military stars and he produced documentation and allowed it to be published when his natural born status was called into question. That’s called ‘honor’. What is Owe-bama’s behavior called?
It’s simply amazing how the Alinsky-ite thugs of the radical left have been successful in intimidating the right (and many of those in the middle) with this “birther” name-calling strategy. “Birther” has become a conversation enfing word, just like the terms “racist” and “anti-semite.”
To those who have a legitimate right to know how the hell this shadowy figure sitting in the Oval Office really is, the term “birther” takes away that right – in fact we have allowed this right to get away from us by simply acquiescing to it.
So much so, that even the esteemed author of this thoughtful article had to open it with the “disclaimer” ‘I’m not a birther’ !
It should read “ending” not “enfing”; and “who the hell” not “how the hell”. Sorry for the typos.
Kyle-Anne Shiver says “I believe he was born in Hawaii” but that is all you and in fact all of us have have Kyle-Anne a BELIEF with absolutely no PROOF whatsoever and that is Obamabi’s problem. Apart from his Vault BC virtually every other Document from the Obaminations past is HIDDEN too so why should anyone just accept HIS word that he was born in Hawaii. We want the PROOF and whats more important an answer as to WHY they are all still HIDDEN.
An open CHALLENGE to all the loyal Obamanation worshipers who post on here in his defense. I notice that in doing so not ONE of you attempts to challenge the FACT that all of those documents listed below are HIDDEN. So take the list of documents that he is HIDING and give us a point by point explanation why each one is being HIDDEN or alternatively show WHERE that information is AVAILABLE for scrutiny. Only when you have done that can you then throw out your wild accusations of conspiracy nut against anyone. The ones who ARE CONSPIRING are the ones who are HIDING the documents not those merely asking to see them and only a blind worshiper would have the reverse morality to see it any other way. So lets see what you are made of.
Oh and just in case you want to pretend you dont know what is missing here is a list .
Here apart from his Vault Birth Certificate are just some but my no means ALL of the OTHER documents and information the Obamanation is HIDING.
There is a lifetime of “missing” documentation — but it must a coincidence — it has to be a coincidence — just keep telling yourself, “it’s a coincidence.”
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetero/Obama name change documentation – Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
Passport records — Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
Just a coincidence???????????
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama’s healthy)
Just a coincidence????????
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Almost 50 years old and there’s no paper trail — coincidence, Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don’t know anything about Obama — operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented — an impossible coincidence — and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available. Some of us believe that something isn’t on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him. You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call — why doesn’t he press the button?
Born to a Muslim Father adopted by a Muslim STEPFATHER , ALL his Paternal Families are Muslims even his Kenyan Grandmother who his LYING Election Committee told us was a Christian has just returned from the Haj. He was brought up and schooled as a Muslim in BOTH the State and MULTI FAITH schools he attended in Jakarta. BTW when Barry was in Indonesia you had to be an Indonesian CITIZEN to go to State School, so THATS why the Passport , College and Student loan records are HIDDEN.
He took KORANIC STUDIES a Muslim ONLY subject at school a fact he himself ADMITS in his book DREAMS. He is on record as saying ‘If the Political will goes against them I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS” and also “the Muslim call to prayer is one of the MOST beautiful sounds on earth” .
He can also recite the Shahada in perfectly accented Koranic Arabic , must be a result of his MENGAGI studies a subject only DEVOUT Muslims take. BTW Muslims say anyone who says the Shahada, which calls Allah the PARAMOUNT God (why is the so called ONE God Paramount are there other LESSER Gods????) and also say Mohammad is his messenger , IS A MUSLIM.
So what is Barry HUSSEIN Soetero the man who tells us he has ‘ALWAYS been a Christian” well for a start one thing we can be absolutely sure of is that he is a BLATANT BAREFACED LIAR.
So, the only real question remains: is Barack an agent of a foreign government or foreign forces? Hummm
IT WAS AN IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, for chrissakes!
Dear Readers:
For the record, I “believe” Obama was born in Hawaii. But that does not mean I think requests for more proof (the original long-form, detailed, signed birth certificate) are in ANY WAY crazy. In fact, the people demanding all these documents — including the birth certificate — are true American patriots of the highest order, in my opinion.
Some of them have been fined large sums, simply for bringing civil lawsuits asking for the president’s documentation. This is an egregious abuse of judicial power, in my opinion, and I would love some lawyer or judge to explain to me why asking a president (for crying out loud!) to submit to discovery process is somehow “harassment.”
One man, that I know of, has already been jailed on account of this president’s stubborn refusal to release documents that prove his constitutional eligibility.
There are other constitutional issues here, from what I’ve read, about the legal conferring of U.S. citizenship and natural-born status. These issues should have been the purview of the Democrat Party and the congress of 2008. That all of these Democrats have allowed such a national scandal as this to proceed — making civics-minded citizens the villains! — is one of the most callous disregards of our constitution and the rule of law I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. Allowing Obama to ascend tot he presidency without even the most meager of genuine background vetting seems a travesty of the highest magnitude to me.
These people running around calling “Birthers” (The name itself is derogatory and offensive to civics.) and trying to put them in the same basket with “9/11 Truthers” is simply another example of the left’s willingness to do ANYTHING to get their own way with the American government.
As I’ve said before, I’ll say again. There are legal, constitutional means to change the American government to anything the vast majority of the people of the U.S. want it to be: through the constitutional amendment process. That process is both time-consuming and cumbersome, as it should be.
What Democrat-Socialists prove over and over again is that they and their judicial allies disrespect democracy to the furthest degree. Rather than attempt to convince a majority that their positions are good for the country, they enact huge changes via Supreme Court majorities and through stealth measures. This refusal to thoroughly vet a presidential candidate is merely another example of their callous disregard for the people and the rule of law.
That’s my genuine 2 cents on this.
Thank you for these concluding thoughts.
Your article stimulated a lot of discussion, and brought up key issues with insight and passion by many knowledgeable contributors.
At the end, one is left wondering how a sitting President can get away with such obvious “cover-up” (by sealing his records and hidding them from the public) of potentially serious violations of US (Civil and Criminal) Law (never mind the Constitution).
When does enough become enough?
thank you for that.
…what is your take on the natural born issue? that to be eligible then both parents must be american?
time to ridicule the others for not asking for the birth certificate. McCain should have asked for all the obama records to be revealed. he just showed how weak and too willing to compromise he was. he would have been an awful president. He is an awful senator.
Intersting and plausible points. Birth certificate is a distraction…for if we were to find the obvious in all other documents, surely Barry Soetero would be abdicated from his throne over night; a usurper & imposter orchestrated by the George Soros one-world communists.
Now there’s a thought?
Maybe we should be focusing on “Mr. Slippery” himself (Soros).
Jeff Bruzzo
I’m curious about his use of a Connecticut issued Social Security Number. Man NEVER lived there. Documents also suggest this very same number was issued to a subject born in 1890, now deceased. SSN are NOT reissued. The media, including much of the “new” media have betrayed the American people on vetting this lying POS. This and the many more unnecessary questions surrounding Soetoro/Obama/Mr X point to a fundamental fail in so called journalistic ethics. When the curtain is finally pulled back on this disgusting debacle, I fear something short of a new civil war or large scale revolt against Washington will happen. It is important for the individiual states to vigorously reassert their 10th Amendment powers and starve the federal beast back down to its constitutionally delegated size.
They assumption is Birthers are discontent conservatives.
Birthers are die hard Hillary democrats. The lawyer that has kept this issue before the public is Phil J. Berg, not only a Hillary supporter but a longtime democrat. A democrat that has run for many offices as a democrat.
http://www.obamacrimes.com
That’s a bunch of dung; the question of eligibility is in the minds of about 100 million (if not more, much more) Americans (even according to polls by CNN).
Dimwits and bullies like you show up in all forums, trying to discredit those who have every right to ask “who is this idiot occupying the Oval Office.” Your twist is “the birthers are all democrats.” !!!
Either you have answers to these questions or get off it.
And who would know more about “Chicago” politics than the Clinton’s?
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Phil Berg – Democrate against Obama – not born in America
If shivery timbers Matthews is asking for the Birth Cert, doubtless the Comunazi Islamist alliance has come up with a “faultless” forgery.
Or, the Arrogant Pretender has gotten a too big for his burqa and is being flashed a warning.
Hillary’s people may be looking for the Birth Cert, but as Sec State she has access to so many other documents relevant to the Manchurian’s life and practices.
As for medical records, cosmetic surgery is highly likely. Is the real Barry O lying in an Afghan cave somewhere, while post plastic Osama is sitting in the White House, cleaning his toenails with the White House cutlery and pretending to like Michelle?
Yuck! OTT! Still worth a mention!
The Birthers are die hard Hillary democrats. The lawyer that has kept this issue before the public is Phil J. Berg, not only a Hillary supporter, but a longtime democrat. A democrat that has run for many offices as a democrat.
http://www.obamacrimes.com
Liberals love the “birther” issue because they are able to apply this to all conservatives and make them look like nuts. “Birthers” sound like those guys who claim the IRS is unconstitutional because the 16th amendment was not properly ratified (in fact they are the same guys). Secondly, they love this issue because it distracts people from the real faults of Obama and the democrats.
Since the birth issue is a requirement of the constitution one would think that some government agecy has been appointed to ascertain whether or not the requirement has been met. The birth issue was raised during the presidency of George W. Bush. Who dediced that he met the constitutional requirements? What documentation did they produce? Who was responsible for obtaining the documents? All these questons should be answered before anyone can raise other questions.
Chris has the contagious virus going around MSNBC called the “Olbermann Syndrome.” Chris’s commentary never included a smidgeon of intelligence but now it’s even worse, he now sounds like a cross between Mel Gibson and Keith Olbermann. With the syndromes’ progress Chris will still believe that he is his own guest, in other words, he asks and answers every question. He will also continue spitting when he pronounces certain words, it’s similar to Sylvester the Cat’s lisp. Sylvester’s lisp of course was much worse but at least the people he talked to stayed dry. The next phase is the Bill Maher phase and he will find himself starting to spend time in Hugh Hefner’s grotto and believing the women when they tell him “you were great” or he will start believing the info coming out of MSNBC. The last stage of the syndrome is called the Lawrence O’Donnell psycho phase. This phase will start with an eye “tremor” or eye itch, similar to the one that Inspector Dryfus had (Inspector Clouseau’s enemy) in the Pink Panther movies. The angrier you get, the more it twitches. The more it twitches the angrier get. And of course with this last phase, he will start believing the notes the Progressives have him reading.
Here’s another twist by a recent burst of (troll) posters in here: “birthers” are democrats, so (the seem to say) the rest of you get out of this business of asking questions, and let them handle it.
Yeah…sure…Is any of the following fine entities: SEIU/ACORN/Moveon.org/Mediamaters/…paying you?
Chris Matthews, on a Hardball show, brought on two former CIA officials to discuss the latest terror attack, and the MSNBC host agreed with Tyler Drumheller that the most recent attacker was motivated by his house being foreclosed on and also agreed with Robert Baer who feared another attack could lead to “the Tea Party being strengthened,” which could lead to “people blaming the White House for a situation it didn’t create.” Baer also hit Matthews’ sweet spot of talking points when he went on to warn that the last successful terror attack “got us into a war in Iraq we didn’t need to be in.” No wonder your ratings are half of Fox’s.
The issue of “eligibility” and all associated questions have nothing to do with C. Matthews, and by you trying to talk about that moron does not and should not and will not take the subject off the air.
0bama is the Number One National Security Threat to Our Great U.S.A.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, its an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” –Patrick Henry”
“We the People” must STOP All Constitutional Compromises.
Corruption, deception, fraud, lies and lack of Integrity can no-longer be tolerated.
Our Beloved Constitution solves ALL of our problems and must be Enforced, Respected and Restored.
“We the People” can NOT just pick and choose the parts of Law – “Our Beloved Constitution” – that we will follow or enforce.
It’s all or nothing!
Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States says:
“No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;”
Everyone in Our government knows the Truth that 0bama does Not qualify to be POTUS.
0bama committed treason the day he took the Oath of Office. This makes him a Traitor. When 0bama was first entrusted with any military secret he became Guilty of Espionage.
History will always compare 0bama with Benedict Arnold.
0bama has been trying to destroy our Great Constitution from the beginning. 0bama has disgraced “We the People”. 0bama has disgraced Our Great Forefathers and Our Beloved Constitution.
0bama Must Be Arrested as a Terrorist to “We the People’ and Our Beloved Constitution for charges including Treason, Espionage, Sedition and Fraud.
A Traitor’s signature is Null and Void on ALL Executive Orders, Legislature, Treaties, Laws, and Appointments.
Who Is Kidding Who?
0bama can NEVER be POTUS or Commander-in-Chief.
Truth Is Always Truth!
0bama has created a Constitutional Crisis. Our Constitution solves ALL of our problems and must be Enforced, Respected and Restored.
“The Constitution is the guide which I never will abandon.” –George Washington
http://www.tomdavidd.com/blog/?page_id=29
8 ) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
Does this mean that his Occidental College grade reports have been released?
Somewhere in that pile of sealed records is something incriminating. By sealing ALL his records they have been able to build a firewall around the ONE record in the batch that is the problem. We just don’t know which one it is.
Imagine if they released all of his records except for One. All attention would be focused on that one solitary record.
I suspect that he will eventually release his BC and that it will contain nothing incriminating. By releasing records one at a time over the years they can effectively protect the ONE record that is incriminating.
That’s a very good assumption and I tend to agree with you on it.
The list of documents you say are being kept from the American public have never been released by any white middle-aged President in the past. So why start now?
Unlike most of our presidents, whose carefully cultivated and totally misleading public lives have given little opportunity to see their private selves, Barack Obama disclosed who he was before he became a public figure. (Indeed, we are just finding out now who John McCain really is, and he’s been in public life forever. McCain never released his birth certificate, or other records, by the way, and his eligibility sparked a lively debate among real constitutional scholars. But I digress. He’s a white, middle aged conservative.)
Some people can’t handle the truth. The truth is we’ve got a natural born Citizen who is a centrist, conciliating Democrat in office. And Republicans think that that means Communism/Marxism/Socialism/Nazism/Satanism — chose one — has now taken over our country.
I was loyal to the previous president, who was put into office by 1 vote. Even though he was more likely a usurper than any president in history, I was loyal and patriotic. It’s about time the opponents of President Obama opposed him on the basis of policy rather than made up controversies and race. And it’s about time you fessed up to the double standards in your article.
Who are you kidding about patriotism and loyalty? Partisanship, agenda, and false umbrage are your mainstay.
Some have doubt. Some think it centers around a birth certificate which only matters if it proves the President is foreign born. Which you and I highly doubt. Others, think that his mere birth to a foreign father who had no intent for naturalization or permanent domicile means something.
Where is the precedence of someone of his birth with regard to the Presidency (born after 1787)?
Since when has natural law and statute been so obviously in contention? Perhaps you find it difficult to understand something as forthright commonsense…those born of two American citizens in the United States is “naturally” a citizen (Minor v Happersett). Oh, that’s right, english common law (political) is the premise for our citizenship. That revolution establishing the sovereignty of the people and the later rebuke of permanent allegiance was crazy talk.
You’re an idiot and willfully show your hate for this Constitutional Republic with every utterance.
-Noz
Being a Muslim would not make a candidate ineligible to be POTUS or any other elected office in U.S.
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A6.html
Barry’s hiding lots of damaging information. The most important document is his BC. If his dad is Obama sr. he’s ineligible. If his father’s someone else he’s a liar. His original info will never see light.
Here are two of the most credible and factual websites regarding the birther issue. Please take the time to read both of them so the misinformation on this thread is not spread.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Please take the time to read this info:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/category/myths/multiple-ssn/
Some factual info:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/category/myths/multiple-ssn/
I think Birthers have failed to force the release of the sealed records of Obama because they try to obtain it with legal means.
There are two solutions to this problem in my eyes:
1) Raise funds and pay for people to give the original copies of these document out. I don’t know if this is legal or not.
2) Do a real hunger strike, and turn this in a media circus they are not able to shut down. Will BHO release his original documents under pressure or will he let people die? Whatever happen, he will lose much.
“Being a Muslim would not make a candidate ineligible to be POTUS or any other elected office in U.S.”
Nobody said it would, ms. red herring. But it would make BO a liar. Or, rather, prove he is a liar.
My favorite “alternative” method of getting the information, is to hire the Mossad to find the missing documents and publish them on the internet for all to see. I’ll chip in the first $500.
By the way, someone posted on American Thinker that the subcontractor that maintains the passport records, changed BHO’s file.
“I believe that the president was born in Hawaii.”
Why? On what evidence?
When a reasonable person examines the publicly available evidence, quite aside from any “conspiracy” theories, the only possible conclusion is that the Hawaii birth story is, at best, questionable, and needs thorough investigation.
Psst.
Hey, Kyle-Anne. The left wing originated and used the term “Birther.”
(See: Alinsky Rules) in order to demonize anyone who questioned Obama’s background and qualifications.
The right bought it. Hook, line, sinker. Now, the right spreads the left’s propaganda for them. The right cliams to hate the MSM and the left, but then spreads their propaganda for them??? You now demonize the very people the left wants and needs you to demonize.
Are you tools or what!
…’cause you surely aren’t thinking for yourselves, here.
It is just common sense. Anyone who takes so much effort and expense to conceals their past has something to hide. What is in his records that is so incriminating that it must not be revealed? Why do the people of this country allow it?
Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros, a big time supporter of Obama!
Think about this one for awhile. It will give you a whole new look on the Obama eligibility question. Also, Obama spends all that money on lawyers to keep his records sealed because it isn’t his money. It is most likely our tax dollars that are keeping that secret so he don’t really care how much it costs.
“.. In our Search for the truth….department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check this out and they said it was false and there were no such dockets so I ‘Googled’ the Supreme Court, typed in ‘Obama-Kagan,’ and guess what? Yep you got it. Snopes lied. Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote Snopes:
Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Court’s website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future.
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That being said, I’ll bet you didn’t know this.
Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on… Once again the US Senate sold us out! Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court….. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship.. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn’t it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It’s all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there.
Here are some websites of the Suprem Court Docket: You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?? Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!!!
Check out these examples: http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm
Http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm
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