Decision ’09: A Sharp Right Turn
Today’s governor’s races in New Jersey and Virginia and a special election in New York will be watched closely for signals from the electorate. Will they take out any dissatisfaction they feel with the president on Democrats? Can Republicans begin the long, slow process of regaining the trust of voters?
Two of the gubernatorial races are cut and dried. Republican Bob McDonald is apparently poised for a big win in Virginia over Democrat Creigh Deeds. However, incumbent New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine is neck-and-neck with Republican challenger Chris Christie. A third-party candidate, Chris Daggett, is muddying the waters and the polls are all over the place.
The race in New York’s 23rd congressional district will be the most widely anticipated result. Confusion rages as the regular Republican, Dede Scozzafava, has dropped out, leaving Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman and Democrat Bill Owens to slug it out. A win by Hoffman in the heavily Republican district, unthinkable a fortnight ago, would be a shocker. It would send a message to national Republicans that conservative activists are tired of supporting unconservative candidates. Will they get that message in Washington, D.C.? That remains to be seen.
We’ll be updating this post as news filters in about the races. Make sure to check back regularly for the latest.
(Note: Newest links on top)
Corzine concedes, jokes: “My mom is pretty happy tonight. She’s a registered Republican.”
Philly Enquirer on how Christie won: “In the end, the Shore turned the tide.”
New York Times: A Year After Dousing, Republican Hopes Rekindled
NBC Calls it for Owens — but the Watertown Daily Times has Hoffman closing in.
VDH: “If the night continues to go ill for the Democrats after so much personal investment from the president, what will be the explanation?
“Or rather what cannot be the explanations? It cannot be a biased media that misrepresented the issues; it cannot be that liberals were overwhelmed and outspent by right-wing big money; it cannot be that third-party liberals drew votes from mainstream Democrats; it cannot be that we are watching red-state returns from a Mississippi or Texas; it cannot be that mysteriously all three candidates were weak and their campaigns uniformly poorly managed; and it cannot be that race was the issue, given there were only so-called white candidates.”
ewerickson: “Just talked to ppl close to Hoffman. They think he’s won. Owens votes in. Their sampling tracks with what we’re seeing.”
Jim Geraghty: “Whoa: With 79% of precincts reporting, Christie leads by 1 percent, or about 1,000 votes in Bergen County, a county Obama carried by 10%.”
Ace of Spades is live with Hoffman at the Saranac Hotel.
Jim Hoft: Hoffman Leads in NY-23
Is this real? This can’t be real: New York Times – “What One Word Best Describes How You Feel a Year After President Obama’s Election? You can submit one response. This page will update with the most popular choices from NYTimes.com readers.”
More Jake Tapper: “WH spox Gibbs says POTUS is not watching election returns”
Jim Geraghty: “This seems pretty darn big: In New Jersey, CNN’s exit poll says Christie won independents 58-33 over Corzine, with indies making up 27 percent of the electorate.”
James Carville spins: “Understand, this is not a national election.”
Newsbusters: CBS’s Schieffer Denies Vote a Referendum on Obama, Compares Conservatives to McGovern. “Shortly before the polls closed, CBS’s chief Washington correspondent, Bob Schieffer, rejected any effort to tie President Barack Obama to two the Democratic gubernatorial candidates for whom Obama campaigned, insisting on Tuesday’s CBS Evening News that the contests were more about local issues and so ‘I don’t think they had much to do with anything but New Jersey and Virginia.’”
FoxNews Exit Poll, From New Jersey: 31% see the economy as the most important issue. Eighteen percent say health care.
GayPatriot: Why Virginia Matters Most: “With Virginia’s tally last fall mirroring the national tally, a sign of Democratic erosion here would clearly indicate that Obama’s margin in 2008 had more to do with the dynamics of that election than with an ideological realignment of American voters.”
Jake Tapper tweets: prelim exit poll data, VA: 18% say they cast their vote in part to express support for Obama, 24% in opposition, 55% not a factor.
Allahpundit at Hot Air has some reports on the ground from New Jersey via Mary Katherine Ham at the Weekly Standard who writes that things are “looking good” in the Garden State for Republican Chris Christie. Higher than normal turnout in GOP areas with depressed turnout in Democratic regions gives Allah cause for “rare” optimism.
Another take on the “GOP civil war” from AZ Congressman John Shadegg. From the blog Briefing Room: “Quite frankly, I think Americans are unhappy with politicians of every stripe, whether they’re Republican, Democrat, or independent,” he added. “I think what you’re seeing in this race is the manifestation of that frustration.”
A final poll roundup from Tom Jensen at PPP who is quite bullish on GOP chances: “From the high levels of party unity it’s clear that Republicans voters see the path back to power will require staying on the same page. And whether it’s because the Democrats have bad candidates or they’re unhappy with President Obama, independents are giving the GOP very high levels of support. It should be the best Republican election night since George W. Bush got reelected.”
Elizabeth Benjamin of the New York Daily News blog the Daily Politics reports that police have been called to two polling places in NY-23. The reason? Nobody knows, apparently. It is thought the cops were called by Owens volunteers. Says one Hoffman volunteer: “So, apparently, the poll workers who are Owens supporters are doing the only thing they can do: Intimidate. And they’re doing that by calling the police. Nobody’s been arrested because nobody’s doing anything wrong.”
Michelle Breidenbach of the Syracuse Post-Standard interviewed Dede Scozzafava, who said, “The amount of hate and lies and the deceitfulness. … I don’t believe that should be the characteristics that define the Republican Party. I think people should be allowed to have discussions and reasonable disagreements. But this was a full frontal assault on me personally and politically, for weeks.”
The gang at MSNBC’s First Read blog weigh in on whether today’s vote is a referendum on Obama’s presidency.
Firedog Lake’s Jon Walker believes that Democrat Bill Owens may lose to Republican Doug Hoffman in NY23 because he is not sufficiently liberal: “If Hoffman wins it will be a big loss for the misguided ideal among some Democrats that the only way to win right-leaning districts is by diligently staking out bland center-right positions.”
Daniel Larison writing in Eunomia: “My guess is that NY-23’s location in the Northeast will give many people on the right the wrong impression that Hoffman’s chance at success proves that movement activist-style conservatism can win or at least compete in the Northeast generally…”
Too bad to check: NJ Dems sending gangbangers on GOTV efforts? (Hot Air)
Dem spin: Obama didn’t even know Virginia was having an election, frankly. (Weekly Standard)
Blue Dog says Dem losses would strengthen centrists’ position (The Hill)
NY-23: Joe Biden and Democrats campaign against Rush, Beck, “right-wing extremists” (American Spectator)
This campaign was a New Jersey nightmare (Star-Ledger)
Polls open under clear skies in NJ (NJ.com)
Obama robocalls for Governor Corzine (PolitickerNJ.com)
Anger, frustration, fuel Election Day (CNN)
Last minute NY 23rd poll: Conservative Doug Hoffman surges, but … (Los Angeles Times)
Talking about the Scozzafava effect (The Hill)
The most interesting question raised by Frank Rich’s reaction to Doug Hoffman’s earthquake: Where are the tea parties of the left? (Richard Fernandez)
Should liberals want Dems to lose NY’s 23? (Real Clear Politics)
History lesson: Outcomes in NY, NJ and VA are unlikely to forecast much about races in 2010 (WSJ)
Michael Tomasky thinks “all this punditry about these races is mostly nonsense.”
“Among the lessons Republicans will try to extract from McDonnell’s race will be how he succeeded, if his numbers hold, with nonwhite voters.” (Jennifer Rubin)
Election Tuesday Eve: Palin hits VA with Ralph Reed (Taylor Marsh)
Allahpundit writes that “it would be deeply depressing to think that a Republican can’t win in a blue state even in a political climate like this with an incumbent as feeble as Corzine.”
Will military voters be disenfranchised? (Hans A. von Spakovsky)
Hoffman: NY-23 is “unique situation” (CNN PolitcalTicker)
Politico has the inside story of how the Democrats turned Dede Scozzafava and got her to endorse the Democratic candidate.
Jim Hoft has the skinny on a rally headlined by Joe Biden in NY-23.
Scozzafava has apparently taped some robo-calls for Owens. How many times can you say “What were they thinking?” about the GOP establishment’s choice of Dede in the first place?
The latest Quinnipiac poll in New Jersey has the Republican Chris Christie up by two points. A Democracy Corps poll shows the incumbent Democrat Corzine up by four points.
In Virginia, GOP hopeful Bob McDonnell is comfortably ahead of Democrat Creigh Deeds in two polls out today.
What NY-23 says about the GOP and its voters (Rasmussen Reports)
Democrats seek warning signs from voters (ABC News)
A black man becomes President and the racists in the heart of the Confederacy come out in all their impotent force to try and “hurt” him by voting for a Republican governor.
Oh, such beautiful weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And, after those elections, Obama will still be our beloved President and Commander-in-Chief.
I don’t care if the Dems get the message. In fact, I’d prefer it if they remained clueless and stupid.
What I want is for the GOP to get the message.
Donna V@2:
“What I want is for the GOP to get the message.”
Yes, and the message is:
You will die alone.
“3. Dave K.:
Yes, and the message is:
You will die alone.”
Reason number 9,457 why I despise the left, and their “tolerance” of other peoples option.
Just another disgusting excuse of a human being.
Not Over.
A black man becomes President and the racists in the heart of the Confederacy come out in all their impotent force to try and “hurt” him by voting for a Republican governor.
Yup, all those Confederates running around up there in NY-23, right next to the Canada border. And gosh, who knew NJ had so many rednecks? There’s so many I fully expect ACORN and the union trash will have to russle up a whole flock of dead voters. It’s the way they win elections in blue states.
We all die alone. Dave K. will die stupid.
Just another disgusting excuse of a human being.
Dave’s mother never loved him. He has to take it out on somebody.
OK, so I just saw this Hoffman guy for the fist time he was on Hannity with Fred and Jeri Thompson. Hoffman said nothing. I don’t mean he was pontificating or being rhetorical. He didn’t SAY anything. “Thanks for your support. Get out there and fight. huh huh.” That scene was beyond surreal. He reminded me of the Incredible Mr. Limpit. Is that really the caliber of people you claim are leading the conservative revolution? I mean, if you like him, that’s great, but really?
@4.:
Tell it, Goo Dad. The “progressives” of today must really miss the good ‘ol days of Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot, and so on, when you could just kill those who disagreed with you.
My, how I love the “tolerant” left.
Good thing we still have the Second Amendment.
#7 Now and Then – I saw it, too. This is the third time he’s been on. He is completely uninspiring. Good. He’s a CPA for cryin’ out loud; a Geek; a Pencil-neck. He’s just an ordinary Citizen who has had enough. He’s no rock star. Again, I say, “Good!” And he’ll be a winner.
In Congress, he’ll be quiet and subdued. No one will hate him. He’ll be honest. He’ll crunch numbers. Good. One down, 534 to go.
amazing how after nearly a year in office he continues to galvanize the American people to demand ‘change’
now that’s progress
I can’t believe I’m writing this, but I agree with a portion of Now and Then’s comment. I’ve only seen Mr. Hoffman on TV once, and I found nothing particularly impressive about him there. I’ve never heard him speak at length and don’t know much about him, so perhaps I’m missing something.
Here’s where N&T and I diverge, however. I don’t paint Mr. Hoffman as a representative portrait of the “caliber” of person “leading the conservative revolution.” From what I can see, the conservative movement does not necessarily have many shiny, polished, Washington-speak-fluent spokespeople, grassroots as it is. But that’s the point. Those aren’t the things that lead to good governance, anyway. The people now standing up more and more, while perhaps intelligent, knowledgeable, and gifted in many areas of the private sector, are not people who have spent their lives grooming themselves for a life of public speaking and campaigning. It’s not as if he was tapped from a pool of “the best, brightest and most polished our cause has to offer” to represent the cause to the nation. I believe Mr. Hoffman is simply a conservative, principled citizen who looked around and said,”SOMEONE’S got to stand up for principle against this status quo nonsense.” And he did. It’s that spirit which many conservatives have rallied behind to send a message loud and clear.
Oh Dave K..
How old are you little one? You sound dumb, lacking in the education of a daily life in the real world, uninformed, a girlie boy perhaps….one of those skinny neinerneinerneiner kids. They do dumb crappy stuff then wonder why no one likes them and they don’t get invited to the party .
We don’t dislike Obama’s skin color…just his dishonesty.
The Color of his skin is not in question, his “honesty” is.
He has proven to be a very dishonest person and a man with a socialist agenda. We have fought to keep socialism off our shores here in America!!
About Hoffman…it’s those loud mouth “words just words” politicians ya gotta watch!!! This guy has a good honest background and he’ll do good.
Before JFK, politicians were picked mainly on the basis of their philosophies and characters. JFK made politics glamorous; for the first time, image became important. (Anyone old enough to remember Nixon catching flack for his makeup and his 5 o’clock beard?) Now we are literally on the verge of enslavement at the hands of a bunch of ruthless, immoral, marxists for whom image is all. Obama’s image won the campaign. The only thing I give a damn about is whether Hoffman supports small-r republican principles in support of our freedom and the rule of law. No one else appears to be doing so.
Democrats really want to try and paint NY-23 as “Right-wing” conservatives driving out the moderates, but the truth is Scozzafava was not a Moderate, she was a Liberal. Cover up the R after her name and just show voters her posiitons and everyone would have assumed she was the Democrat in the race. That she’s gone ahead and endorsed the Democrat shows she had no loyalty to her Party and was just using it for her own career. She’s been hobnobbing with Andrew Cuomo and the Democrat speaker of the State Assembly, and the Dems have said they’d welcome her if she changes parties. I expect she will, just like Specter. Both of them are in it for themselves and not their constituents.
So what’s it say about the GOP? The biggest problem the GOP has had over the last several years is that Republican voters are for limited government, but the GOP leadership either can’t or won’t fully support it. They are in the Government business after all. Smaller government that matters less doesn’t do their careers any good. So the GOP leadership tries to make it about morality, but that scares away too many people so they moderate their message about that as well, leaving their entire base exasperated.
The purge that Repblican/Conservative voters need to enact is the purge of the GOP leadership that is so incompetent it’s not even a surprise they would run someone like Scozzafava.
Don’t know the answer to the column question, but here’s the forecast:
Hoffman wins
Garmendi wins
McDonald wins
Corzine wins…after a long count, although MSNBC will call it for him as soon as the polls close. Have to, he’s a regular guest on Morning Joe.
So it’s a wash. Both sides spin to their liking.
Eradicating a few Democrat (socialist/Marxist) termites will be a good start, but we have a long way to go before we stop the damage and start to repair the country.
I say hold the comments until the results are in.
Decision ’09.
Has Obama’s attempt to overturn the free enterprise system and replace it with a socialistic European model inflamed Americans from all points of the compass? Or is socialism the wave of America’s future?
Question two: Will bankrupting America by jamming through an accumulated 12 trillion dollar national debt prove to be Obama’s Waterloo? Is devaluing the dollar and going down the road of hyper-inflation a ride America will accept like lambs heading for slaughter?
On Tuesday, Virginia, New Jersey and New York voters, in particular, will let the ballot answer many of these questions.
What will it mean for PelosiCare?
Will conservative victories stop the Democrats from cutting Medicare by 500 million, and in effect bleeding senior citizens who need life saving care dry? In the latest PelosiCare bill, death panels made up of bureaucrats are there in black and white.
If you remember, Sarah Palin warned us all about them and she was the butt of jokes far and wide for her statements. But, as of yesterday, death panels are in the bill. Sarah Palin was speaking the truth. She appears to be dead right.
At the same time, is there another reason why Obama seems to have wakened a sleeping giant? Are Americans feeling that since taking office the Office of the President has made so many disagreers the object of scorn and ridicule?
Did the Town Hall meetings shed light on a vicious underbelly of racial hatred emanating from the Obama administration and cohorts? Maybe to get a perspective on what’s in store for our futures under Obama we should examine what’s been going down for the past nine plus months to lite this voter uprising.
Let me take you back to mid January, 2009. Amid cruel booing of George Bush, a brown eyed handsome man is elected President with his frown eyed, “never been proud of America” wife at his side.
What should have been an historically watershed event for the racial health country of this country has, instead, did something most didn’t expect. It uncovered a covert and heretofore unseen truth.
Racism is alive and well.
However, its safe harbor isn’t the color of most writing paper. It’s the color of most type. And its home isn’t Main St., USA. Rather, it’s 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
The fact is, today’s white racism is a shadow of its former self. It’s dying a timely death.
The crushing weight of racism in this country now lives at decidedly upscale addresses. Its venal fires are lit by names many of which are familiar to us all: Sharpton. Pelosi. Reid. Immanuel. Axelrod. Obama. Moore. Letterman. Wright. Ayers. Bahar. Maher. Soros. Franken. Jones. Olbermann. Gregory. Maddow. Browner. DeParle. Stern. Fried. Feinberg. Holter.
Like a cancer cell growing in a petri dish, its voice spews out its viral language of hate most often and most ironically from the White House.
In week one of Obama’s new administration, Eric Holder issues a statement replete with racist overtones: It says that “White Americans are racist cowards.”
Obama doesn’t “clarify it. Instead, his tacit approval of it speaks volumes not about white America, but about Obama.
Meanwhile, Obama’s Supreme court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor, continually and without apology calls white males intellectually inferior to darker races.
Then, a few months down the road, without any facts, Obama calls one of the best, brightest and fairest white police officers in the nation, “stupid” for arresting Obama’s racist blabbering, blithering black elitist Harvard professor.
All white America did was elect a black man, and the racial taunts, threats and actions directed at whites (like dropping the Black Panther voter intimidation case), began sweeping over America’s good intentions and fair mindedness like a Tsunami of racial hatred.
One has to ask why?
Why are those who disagree with Obama lambasted with racial taunts, threats and intimidation? Fox disagrees with Obama so it’s suddenly not a news station. While MSNBC, which marches in perfect lockstep with Obama, is.
Limbaugh says something negative about Obama and Obama tells the American people not to listen to Limbaugh. And the first amendment suddenly doesn’t exist.
Beck gets under Obama’s skin by talking about the admittedly communist, pro-NAMBLA Czars advising Obama so Obama has his minions organize a “boycott Beck” movement.
Our self acclaimed post racial president seems, on the other hand, to be a pro-racist advocate.
At the same time, ACORN, which stole the Franken election, resumes its sucking up of federal money due to a loophole found by taxpayer paid Obama lawyers.
I thought when Obama was elected it was a proud time to be an American.
Now, unfortunately, I think it’s time to send Obama a message. I suspect the good people of New York, New Jersey and Virginia, in no uncertain terms will do just that; will tell Obama something short and sweet with their ballots.
“Regardless of the color of our skin, Mr. President, sir, act like the President of all the people, not just the lemmings who follow you.”
If you truly aren’t willing to do so; if you’re truly not proud of America; its past and present; if you feel you have to apologize for America when speaking to foreign tyrants on foreign soil, then, sir, I think we have a problem; a deal breaker.
If you truly hate the American flag and everything it stands for; if you truly hobnob with people who are photographed stomping all over the flag; if in your most private moments you swear at, not by the constituion, sir, then, maybe it’s time for you to move on.
If you insist on becoming the worst President in United States history, then voting you and your cohorts out as soon as possible is the
best thing Americans can do.
Needless to say, in just days, a pivotal election is coming up.
Franken admittedly stole the Minnesota election. But, Mr. President, if your ACORN people or any others try to pull the same shenanigans this time, somebody, I’m afraid will be led away in handcuffs.
I fear they’ll be kicking and screaming. And probably yelling, “racism.”
It appears to me that a sleeping giant of American patriotism has been awakened. And, Mr. President, we’re not about to roll over and play dead.
I can’t remember an off year election season this interesting. And fun. Would be so sweet to see Corzine go down. I see him as the poster boy for New Jersey/Democrat sleaze. Then the question becomes can Christie move a corrupt liberal Democrat legislature toward sanity? Which means he has to rally the people of NJ after election day with a clear common sense program. It could happen but, New Jersey?
Dave K at 1,
Here’s the difference between you and me. You think the Presidents skin color is important to his job performance. I believe his job performance is the only relevant criteria. I believe in a color blind society where merit is the deciding factor. I have supported candidates of different races and religous backgrounds because I identify with their ideology and platform.
From your prior remark it is obvious that immutable characteristics are more important to you than actual results. This is exactly how racists think. MLK stated it succinctly; that we are to judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
Some of us have learned that lesson better than others.
Look folks, leave the trolls alone! If you want to help them (like Dave K) just tell them to donate to Sarah Palin and be sure to vote twice or three times for her. They’ll understand. Take pity.
@9 Marc Malone I agree, enough with the wannabe rockstars. What we need are people of principle who really do not want to be there in the first place, but feel the need to do so. A true public servant, and let not any of us forget, that’s what they are.
@11 Marian Very well said. We as a nation can only hope that the wave of those who do not feel the need to “rule us all” catches on like brushfire and we are finally able to rid our nation of those that do. I am no more comfortable having the far right make the rules as I am the far left. Both want to impose their view of the world upon everyone. It is only their unwavering belief that they are “right” that they fail to see the similarities between each other.
@18 Rachel Peepers Sadly enough, way too much of your comment is accurate. I believe the true long term effect of this is that we, as a nation, will miss out on a candidate of color who could deliver on the promises made by Obama, but will not get elected because of the poor precedent he has set. The electorate will not be able to forget the insane cries of “racism” at every statement of disagreement with THE POLICIES put forth, not the color of the mans skin. They simply will not be willing to subject themselves to the potential for such insanity again, and this is truly a shame.
What the established parties ignore, at their own peril, is that the conservative movement is not a display of dissatisfaction of one party over the other, but dissatisfaction with both of them. And any of you familiar with statistics and bell curves should realize, those of us in the middle represent the majority, not either of you.
Wow, look the trolls are getting nervous .
Samizdat@20:
“Here’s the difference between you and me. You think the Presidents skin color is important to his job performance. I believe his job performance is the only relevant criteria. I believe in a color blind society where merit is the deciding factor. I have supported candidates of different races and religous backgrounds because I identify with their ideology and platform.”
Yes, I’m sure that appointing George W. Bush was all about his merits.
If by “his merits” you mean “his dad and his dad’s money and Rolodex.”
And I’m sure some of your best friends are black and have different “religous” backgrounds as well.
“From your prior remark it is obvious that immutable characteristics are more important to you than actual results. This is exactly how racists think. MLK stated it succinctly; that we are to judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
Some of us have learned that lesson better than others.”
And you’ve learned the lesson of humility so well!
Unfortunately Daggett will split the vote on the right and Corzine might just get in again. New Jersey is in shambles at this point.
Hoffman seems to have a good chance. People have complained he’s too quiet…well, that’s much better than “words just words”!!
What “HAS TO LAUGH” and “RACHEL PEEPERS” say is true.
22 , 18. ..well stated, thank you!!
Dave K,
Us Confederates are a bad lot, for sure. However when it comes to Obama we are not racist, we don’t like his white half either.
…a vicious underbelly of racial hatred emanating from the Obama administration and cohorts?
It might seem so, listening some to Mark Lloyd, Van Jones (“time to get uppity”) Eric Holder (Americans are “cowards” on race), JWright (aka Reverend GodDamn America) who, recently, has been back at it, Henry Louis Gates (gigantic chip on shoulder) some of those Black Panther and Black Muslim guys, “we’re the new enforcers in town & you can kiss my black a$$, whitey…”
maryann@23:
“Wow, look the trolls are getting nervous.”
Yes, we’re shivering in our goatskin boots!!
Please don’t throw the Republican party into the Crazy patch!
The alienation of moderate and independent voters and insistence of ideological purity over pragmatism will only make the Repubs stronger and they will crush the Democrats in the next election!
No, please don’t!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!
today is the day to send a message. the libs know that healthcare is unpopular or they wouldn’t try to dusguise it and keep the details hidden. Obama keeps pushing this “urgency” message because he knows that today’s elections will cause more dems to get cold feet on healthcare. the best thing that can happen for conservatives is for pelosi and reid to try to ramrod this thing through. like Clinton, Obama has a short window with a majority in the house and senate. he may not lose them completely in 2010 but he will lose significant numbers. enough to make it extremely difficult to pass anything radical. i think he has already blown his chances by trying to push too far too fast… today will demonstrate that…
There are some very good points in Jonah Goldberg’s piece today in the LA Times.
Including, but not limited to, many of the democrat lite measures of the previous administration, which, one would hope, voters in upstate NY will repudiate today.
True conservatives just want a turn
Dave K at 24,
To borrow a quote:
“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.”
Your projection and tired canards betray you for the racist or racialist that you are Dave.
I judge people by the friends they keep, the associations they maintain and quality of life they lead. I am proud of all of my friendships and I don’t base my opinion and treatment of others upon immutable, irrelevant characteristics.
Based upon your choice of the word “humble” and your accusatory tone toward me I infer that you are somehow threatened by how I treat others. How unfortunate for you.
See I actually live my life as Dr. King articulated I should. By your own words I see that you do not.
Save your guilt trip for someone else who thinks like you.
Anyone know how turnout is looking in NJ and New York and Florida?
We can mark Virginia down as “Red”, I wager.
18. Rachel Peepers:
“Will conservative victories stop the Democrats from cutting Medicare by 500 million, and in effect bleeding senior citizens who need life saving care dry? ”
Tell me, Ms. Peepers, what constitutes this $500 million cut to Medicare? What, specifically, does it refer to? (Here’s a hint: It’s not fraud and waste.) You have such certainty, let’s see the knowledge and truth in which it is grounded.
Go ahead.
18 rachel peepers:
While you’re at it, explain this – “Franken admittedly stole the Minnesota election.” Admitted? By who? And with what proof?
And this one: “White Americans are racist cowards.” He didn’t say that. Look it up and tell me the difference in what he said and what you want to whine about.
If you don’t speak the truth, your opinions are meaningless – the conservatives’ plight.
Samizdat@31:
“I judge people by the friends they keep, the associations they maintain and quality of life they lead. I am proud of all of my friendships and I don’t base my opinion and treatment of others upon immutable, irrelevant characteristics.
Based upon your choice of the word “humble” and your accusatory tone toward me I infer that you are somehow threatened by how I treat others. How unfortunate for you.
See I actually live my life as Dr. King articulated I should. By your own words I see that you do not.”
Gosh darn it, you’re just a much better person than the rest of us!
You’re so racially color-blind and unable to identify a person’s race that you probably don’t even know your own race.
The only way you figured out that you are white was because you like Neil Diamond.
Bilgeman@32:
“Anyone know how turnout is looking in NJ and New York and Florida?
We can mark Virginia down as “Red”, I wager.”
The heart of Darkness/Heart of the Confederacy voting Republican?
Well, I never!
…cutting Medicare by 500 million
I think that’s billion, with a “b”. Millions, billions, trillions, they all weave together in a blur.
Medicare fraud amounts to something like 60 billion a year ? Something astronomical.
Medicare is in the hole something like… 38 trillion* ? Something astronomical.
“cleaning up” Medicare & Medicaid fraud is too daunting for a gubbmint that, unlike a private business, doesn’t have to bear any personal responsiblity for its profligacy.
Nancy & friends have dreamed up a 2000 page, 20+ pound bureaucratic boondoggle. In truth,they don’t care what is says or what it does “healthwise”, since the point of “it” is expanding gubbmint control over your life.
*A trillion is a million million dollars. The total debt obligation of the United States exceeds 50 TRILLION DOLLARS.
“If you worked 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, for 50 years, and paid yourself $1 billion a year off the top, you’d have to spend $9.5 million an hour to dispose of $1 trillion.”
34. Now and Then:
36. Dave K.:
Hey guys! Guess what! Your messiah got his start turning tricks for a slumlord! Yes, he got his knees dirty servicing that mean old slumlord, but he wasn’t going to miss a drop of that money from his sugar daddy!
Now, being that you’re now servicing the slumlord of the universe, why dont you step up to the mic…oh wait youre already doing that.
baal@38:
“34. Now and Then:
36. Dave K.:
Hey guys! Guess what! Your messiah got his start turning tricks for a slumlord! Yes, he got his knees dirty servicing that mean old slumlord, but he wasn’t going to miss a drop of that money from his sugar daddy!
Now, being that you’re now servicing the slumlord of the universe, why dont you step up to the mic…oh wait youre already doing that.”
Who’s this Messiah you’re talking about?
Hoffman has been interviewed plenty of times on radio, and he is a well-spoken Conservatve, believing in and expressing the conservative principles of the Founders.
As it happens, I live and vote in NY’s 23rd District. There were several interesting things noted this morning. First, overnight, the village where we vote has sprouted dozens upon dozens of Hoffman signs whereas a day or two ago, there were only a smattering.
Secondly, turnout at our polling place looked to be on a par with that of a normal presidential election. (There are some 560 individuals over the age of 18 who live in the village and by 10:00 or thereabouts, more than 120 votes had been cast.) If memory serves, in a normal off year, the total would have been no more than 40 or 50 votes at that time of day.
Lastly, and this could have an impact, todays vote was the first to be cast with paper ballots and the new optical scanning machines that replace the old mechanical voting machines. Unfamiliarity with the process – failure to completely fill in a box, extraneous marks etc. could end up voiding a lot more ballots than normal.
I see David K is first out of the blocks to defend his beloved Dear Leader. Maybe you should change your handle to David N.K.
#41 Paul ADK:
“Secondly, turnout at our polling place looked to be on a par with that of a normal presidential election. (There are some 560 individuals over the age of 18 who live in the village and by 10:00 or thereabouts, more than 120 votes had been cast.) If memory serves, in a normal off year, the total would have been no more than 40 or 50 votes at that time of day.”
Huh, I figured there would be higher turnout in your district because of the “Eye of Sauron” effect, but as much as a Presidential?
It’ll be interesting if it sustains the pace.
Thankee
Dave K, thanks for providing exhibits of the intolerance of those who preach tolerance.
#1 Dave KKK
writes:
“A black man becomes President…”
If you and your hooded friends don’t mind, I keep my heart and my mind with Doctor M.L. King:
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
So, if the “black man” you mention is a communist and a subversive… if you don’t mind, I say that he is a communist and a subversive. As a person, not as a color.
I see persons, I don’t see races, classes, masses, colors and other ideologies.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
I took the time to review the posts of the trolls that I normally bypass with courteous elegance:
man, they are mad !
They must be feeling the heat…
Everything was going so good: hugs to Chavez, losing the war in Afghanistan, destroying the American economy with communist laws, appeasing the thugs in Iran…
and all of a sudden…
those pesky Americans decide that they are FREE and they want to remain FREE…
Oh the rage of the trollies !
May I kindly advise a massive emigration to Cuba or to North Korea ?
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
I will be paying most of my attention to New Jersey. The 23 is a New York red district, but the only reason it is interesting is that another republican has rejected her own party….so we will see if the conservatives implode again over principle. Virginia? I think that one should be a republican victory but not sure why. So for me, the bell weather for 09 is New Jersey. Good Luck to all the candidates !
Dave K at 35,
No Dave, I am not a better person than “the rest of us”, I’m just a lot less interested in ones racial makeup than you are.
I actually laughed at your response for Sherab and I are apparently much more up to date on Dr. Kings teachings than you are. Why don’t you celebrate the progress we have made as a society since the 1950′s and get that big chip off your shoulder?
And by the way, I have no use for Neil Diamond.
@11. At first I thought you were talking about obama.
Then I’m surprised you are displeased with the oratory abilities of one of your fellow citizens, brand new at this, motivated by conservative values to help us out of this predicament, he’s not slick enough.
We’ve got the greatest orator in the history of the solar system in the WH now, how’s that working for you?
According to Hot Hair, Democrats called police on Hoffman supporters for campaigning too close to an election site:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/03/dems-call-police-in-ny-23-over-hoffman-supporters/
Sour feelings are ripe here. The Dems know they are toast.
Meanwhile, NBC White House butt licker Chuck Todd says there could be anupset or a very close call…in California:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/03/video-surprise-in-california/
The Democrats are at war with themselves while the MSM try to say the Republicans are in disarray based solely on the New York-23 race. Selective journalism rears its head.
Poor Citizen: Your whistling past the grave yard. God I love it!
Take away Obama’s teleprompter & script then this is what you get:
“Wee Wee’d Up”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTVjab2cHgk&feature=related
“Cousin Pookie”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Al6r8ESjAY
He’s a Marxist air bag thug & he cannot think for himself on the fly. His true self is shown in these statements. It’s not very pretty or Presidential. Therefore, Obama is the fuel for the backlash he will deny.
#47 Poor Citizen – This seems to be happening more and more with you lately. Instead of trolling, you post some more moderate comment. Has someone hijacked your handle?
I’m not really trying to provoke you. I’m just noting the change taking place over the last month or two. Good on you.
Trying to figure out what the purpose of trolls is. I suppose they distract a few of us, but it really seems pretty pointless. Yet they obviously spend a lot of time doing it.
So who can spend a lot of time doing pointless things? Even if they get paid for it, what a cruddy job it would be! I can only presume they do it for the virtual satisfaction of being virtual heroes, confronting the virtual enemies in their virtual lairs, and nobly fighting us off with virtual reason and virtual logic. Whatever.
“Allahpundit writes that “it would be deeply depressing to think that a Republican can’t win in a blue state even in a political climate like this with an incumbent as feeble as Corzine.””
Allahpundit always finds something to be depressed about. His glass isn’t just half-empty – someone spit in it, too.
What we need in the house and senate is more bean-counters instead of ambulance chasers. As for Hoffman, I like the idea that he is boring rather than a pompous arse like Alan Grayson.
jodetoad @54: Someone is obviously afraid of the information and views around here. The trolls, approaching full panic mode now that almost everyone is on to their Dear Leader, function as noise or attempt to anyway. I hope they are getting paid for it or the situation is much, much sadder than I can imagine. I’d cut my wrists before I went to Puffho or Dailycuss with the intention of parading around with my pants down making faces at the regulars. I wonder if they ever read the articles. I’d think they would start to make even the largest leftie idiot pause for some kind of thought other than na na na boo boo, we won.
My advice to everyone is to make fun of them or ignore them completely. Engaging them in a serious manner is like taking the bait and an utter waste of good drinking time.
Yea; The trolls are out in force since they think they can sway intelligent people from their convictions.
What a waste.
You want to see the the trolls get really mad? Reform the republican party so that it becomes nationally viable on its own terms.
Yeah, sure the dems are going to screw up and the pendulum of public opinion will swing back to the republicans–even if they haven’t done any of the vital housecleaning necessary to actually earn that trust back.
My modest proposal is that there be a binding PLEDGE on the part of all republican elected officials to not engage in any deficit spending and to filibuster or veto any deficit spending. Its that simple. If they break their pledge they are fired. Kicked out of the party in perpetuity. Take the apparently flawed decision making process of elected republicans out of the equation entirely.
This one simple change will re-write the rules of the game entirely.
Trying to think of what the purpose of trolls is.
The reason so many people here assume the PJM trolls must be on Soros’ payroll is because conservatives can’t imagine doing the reverse on a left-wing site unless someone was paying them to do so. It’s such an immature, pointless, and counterproductive activity, why else would one waste one’s time? Nobody’s mind is changed by them, in fact, I am convinced that if Dave K., N & T, moho, etc, are for something, I am right to oppose it. I’d be worried if I started agreeing with them.
But remember: the left is counterproductive by definition. I seriously doubt any of them (with the exception of poor citizen, who at least tries to engage in debate sometimes) are gainfully employed, or have much of a life. Trolling PJM is their hobby. It’s how they get their jollies. Yes, they’re pathetic.
Phineas: I am amazed that the race in NJ is as close as it is, considering NJ is deep blue territory. I fully expect the Dems to steal it, nevertheless, as Allahpundit himself wrote yesterday, the fact that Corzine needed “Zeus to carry his a** across the finish line” is heartening. Dems shouldn’t have to worry about NJ. They had to this time.
I consider today’s elections to be our first shot across the bow. More to follow.
I guess the first poster Dave K(a Soros lewinsky boy if there ever was one) saying “all those racists from the south” supporting Hoffman. Funny, but isnt the Arctic Fox from Alaska(and Idaho)? Isnt Tim Pawlenty from Minnesota? Doesnt seem very southern to me, funny how it was the southerner GINGRICH who was supporting the MARXIST COMMIE Dede Scuzzphobia.
“47. Poor Citizen:
I will be paying most of my attention to New Jersey.”
Of course, you would, since you’ve written off the other two already and had your talking point excuses on what to say about them spun for you by Soros’ Media Matters.
In New Jersey, have you seen that your own beloved Democratic Party has admitted to making robocalls for Daggett, to suck votes away from the Republican? And your wonderful party is attempting to get approved the absentee ballots of those people whose signatures are not even recognizably close to their signatures on other public records? And Corzine has admitted to slyly making his opponent’s weight a campaign issue? What a coincidence that your side would be playing fast and loose with ethics, morals and the law. It’s in the leftist playbook, that the end justifies all else.
We’re learning Alinsky’s rules now too, slimeball, and you’re not going to like it when we start using them on you, I guarantee it.
According to Hot Air, low Democrat turnout in New Jersey will spell Corzine’s doom:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/03/early-indications-things-looking-good-in-new-jersey/
…Or ACORN tries to steal it with more bogus votes…
The Republican & Independent turnout has to be so large that ACORN cannot steal it.
to No. 53 Marc Malone
Well, I always said I was an independent. And I am an independent. I leaned toward Obama for change, but that is where it ended. And for health care? I stand with reformists. I am a patriot. Not Democrat and not Republican. Neither party would want me and the feeling is mutual. Plus, (also on a personal level) I have many friends on the far right, hence, I have alot of respect for their views. And finally, this is not a left wing forum so I think that coming in here trying to convert wine heads into beer lovers is not the right thing to do. And I always try to keep it adult, stick to issues and not get personal, life is tooooooo short ya know?
Corzine: 47 – Christie: 47
You know what this means…
Later this week they “find” a shoebox with another 2000 votes for Corzine in the back of a Honda in Camden.
Wanna know why the trolls are so active today?
The same reason a little kid screams and yells and throws a tantrum when you tell them something they don’t like. (For instance, “no, you can’t watch Barney for the 39th time, it’s time for bed.”)
They’re getting a message today that they really don’t want to hear, so they’re responding in accordance with their maturity levels.
And now they will prove it once again by responding to this post with the same maturity or lack thereof.
quod erat demonstrandum
Dave K
I didn’t realize that if black man becomes a president, he’ll by great by default since he’s not white. Dave K, do you live in LA? I can name you a handful of minority candidate who act suspicisouly like their white counterparts.
I’m not white, so the “You must be from the heart of confederacy” narrative won’t work. Fact is, black Bush, oops, I mean Barack Obama, is turning out to be a blockbuster sequel to his predecessor.
$67 ConsWanderer:
“Wanna know why the trolls are so active today?”
I’d reckon their schools are being used as polling places, so they’re all at home while Mommy and Daddy are at work.
#68 lee: Well said.
For those wonderful and cuddly race trolls abounding today – I was raised to understand there is only one ‘race’…the Human Race.
What truly differentiates one human from the next are their background, associations, and friends.
That said, you are all showing us what it is like to live in the wonderful post-racial world the president has fostered. MLK is spinning in his grave.
John Fund has mentioned that the reason ACORN is so heavily funded by the Democrats is to steal elections with fraudulent votes. Watch for ACORN in New Jersey…
Sebastian: I am sure ACORN workers are busy little bees tonight.
Folks, remember that a year ago, Virginia went for Obama. Following troll logic, I guess all the racist Confederates down there just didn’t realize he was *gasp* black back in Nov. 2008. Just like they voted Doug Wilder in as governor many moons ago and, again, somehow missed noticing what his race was. You just never know about those crazy Virginians, one day, they’re fine but who knows when they’re going to up and decide to be racists again.
/obviously, sarc
In the meantime, back on Capitol Hill:
The push to overhaul the American medical system may not move forward until after the New Year, Politico reports
Remember this was the bill Reid and Pelosi wanted to push through before the August break. Biden assured us all it would be a done deal by Thanksgiving. Now the goal is to get it through before the SOTU address.
Hmmmm, could that fact that Blue Dog Dems will be having nightmares tonight possibly have something to do with kicking the can down the road? But, but, the MSM assures us today’s elections aren’t “important.” Oh, no, not all all. LOL!
I notice the trolls have gone rather quiet on this thread. I also just noticed that Christie is way up on Intrade.
NJ – “the heart of the Confederacy!”
With all the unsubstantiated hogwash spewed out on this website every day, it is incredibly laughable when a numskull, moronic troll asks for
evidence.
The place for evidence is a courtroom, you fool. There are rules of evidence you must follow. A judge must approve it. Is anybody here a judge? Fool, there’s no such thing as evidence in terms of comments. FYI, though, the 500 million cuts in Medicare so far can be found in the 1,900 plus page PelosiCare bill made public a few days ago.
Separately, in one precinct in Minnesota, 3,600 votes were found by ACORN people. What are the chances of that? A million to one? And how many votes did Franken win by?
As to Holder, I know what Holder said. Do you? Do you know what Obama said in response? And do you know what Obama said about earmarks during the primaries? And do you know what Obama said about transparency? And do you know what Obama said about closing Gitmo? And do you know what Obama said about dropping the Panther voter intimidation open and shut case? And do you know what Holder said about the case? And do you know that the Black Panthers failed to show up in court. And do you know the impact of that legally? And do you know what Holder and Obama did after the Black Pathers accused of voter intimidation in Philidelphia failed to show up in court? And what happened to the 40,000 troops needed in Afghanistan, the war of necessity as Obama put it.
Trolls? What do you know? Not much. What do you make up? Everything.
enjoy the election returns. rachel
If Corzine wins tonight, it will be by crook! Crook! CROOK!
Oh yeah, the 3,600 found votes were for Obama. All of them. And you contend Franken didn’t steal the election? Get a clue.
@73. Donna V.: – Now the goal is to get it through before the SOTU address.
Because after that date, the 2010 midterm campaign season officially opens.
Donna, maybe it’s just me, and it HAS been 15 years, so my memory of the date details is hazy, but the timing is starting to feel eerily similar to the sequence of events that led to the defeat of HillaryCare, which – I believe – officially died amid the midterm campaign season in 1994.
Marian
“I can’t believe I’m writing this, but I agree with a portion of Now and Then’s comment. I’ve only seen Mr. Hoffman on TV once, and I found nothing particularly impressive about him there.”
Television politics favours good actors. Most of the time, the most successful television politicians would be those who could run as both candidates in the same election with just a change of wig. That’s part of the problem.
So my answer to your point would be “good”.
The GOP/Right Wing BS machine has been running nonstop at 110% capacity since before Obama took office, and your so called liberal MSM (aka The Corporate Media) has not exactly been hard at work in clarifying things and calling out the liars.
But with an improving economy, this will likely be forgotten about by the end of winter. While most people can’t be counted on to use their heads, they can be for their own personal interests.
1. Dave K.:
“A black man becomes President and the racists in the heart of the Confederacy come out in all their impotent force to try and “hurt” him by voting for a Republican governor.A black man becomes President and the racists in the heart of the Confederacy come out in all their impotent force to try and “hurt” him by voting for a Republican governor.”
Yes, indeed. The heart of the confederacy. In New Jersey. And New York. Let’s not forget New York. Two staunch Confederate slave states. Yes indeed.
Is Quebec a Confederate state too Dave? My god, you have to be a parody to be this stupid. A false flag.
goy: a commenter at NRO is thinking along the same lines:
It was noted earlier that the Democratic health-care can might get kicked into 2010. Now that Christie has defeated Corzine, this is officially a bad election night for the Democrats, which raises the question of whether this kicks that can beyond the tenure of the Obama administration.
Blue Dogs nervous about the trillion dollar Pelosi bill or Harry Reid adding the public option to the Senate bill despite having insufficient votes to get it through committee will be even more nervous after tonight’s demonstration of the public mood. If scoring issues and other delays require the vote to take place in 2010, when members themselves are actually up for reelection, expect even more skittishness from the Blue Dogs. And if 2010 is a bad election year for the Democrats, as off-year elections often foreshadow, the Pelosi Democrats may not control the House schedule for the last two years of the presidential term.
Too bad about NY-23, but,…,I can’t stop laughing tonight.
RE #27/tanstaafl:
[...] listening some to Mark Lloyd, Van Jones (”time to get uppity”) Eric Holder (Americans are “cowards” on race), JWright (aka Reverend GodDamn America) who, recently [...]
… hasn’t the Michelle “whitey” tape fallen from the closet yet?
Good.
The local New Jersey Democrats are too corrupt and complacent so this will serve as a wake-up call for them.
Oh wow. Governor races of two states that sway which ever way a wind blows sways to another side again. Meanwhile, NY-23, is about to go to the Democrats after over a decade thanks to the ‘RINOS’ who voted for Owens or keep their original votes to Dede.
Too bad ultra-conservatives. You’ve been weight and measured, and about to be sent packing.
What I found interesting about this race is where Republicans ran as moderates in Virginia and New Jersey, they won handily against wildly unpopular candidates. Where Palin, Beck and other idiots intruded with their message of enforced conformity to radical right wing ideologies, they guaranteed the loss of a traditionally Republican district. I don’t suppose the people here will understand the message.
Congratulations conservatives, libertarians, and republicans! This victory is a well deserved oasis in the desert of our times. Enjoy it, because tomorrow the renewed fury of the liberals, leftists, democrats and media will be back at your throat.
We need to keep our eyes on the prize. The prize is the reform of the republican party, and it will need to happen over the screams of the liberals and of the the screams of the republican party establishment. If we do not succeed in this task, our country will be bankrupted by business as usual between the two parties whose sole aim is to line their pockets.
But for right now…where’s Dave K?
Fox calls NY-23 for Owens.
Just as I thought, Republicans would win the local races and Dems would win the house ones. I don’t see how this night could be interpreted as bad news for Obama personally or the federal government at all.
Well, well, well . . . the one you really wanted got away, didn’t it. Yep. Palin Power. The Pawlenty Push. Dick “Lord Teabagger” Armey. Dough “Conservative Public Accountant” Hoffman. You all fell in love with the sound of your own voices – Limbaugh, Hannty, Ingraham, Coulter, Levin. I’ve been telling you for months that it’s nothing more than entertainment – the marketing of rabid extreme conservatism for profit, not for principle.
And along comes Dede Scozzafava and it turns out her endorsement of the Democrat was more powerful that Palin’s endorsement of Hoffman.
Your deflation is palpable.
Scozzafava 2012!
“you’ve learned the lesson of humility so well!”
LOL coming from a guy who said “you will die alone”. Not surprising, though, that Axelrod is frantically ginning up the astroturfers tonight. Dave K., do you get paid in cash, or trade?
Obama wasn’t watching, they say, so when he’s chomping on his wheaties tomorrow he will be surprised. The NJ result was significant because the WH took control of the democratic campaign and Mr Obama was active in that campaign. All that speaking truth to power and what did it get him? Poor little plucky underdog guy. As for Virginia – how can he trust a state named for an English Queen? England is the country that Churchill came from for gosh sakes!
For me the goal of Hoffman was to scare the Republican party into providing a clear alternative to democratic socialism, rather than an echo of same. Hopefully he helped to do that. A win would have been a bonus but it was not to be.
Fox News reported that Republicans won both governors races and we all know they make these things up. Therefore it’s very likely that the Democrats actually won in NJ and Virginia. I guess I’ll have to wait until tomorrow to see if that’s true – just like Mr Obama.
I was watching the return tickers dlosely. I saw two odd blips.
Owens came out to an early strong lead of about 2,000 votes, which happened seemingly all at once, when they went from about 3% to 7% of the returns.
When NY-23 went from 17% to 21%, suddenly Owens got an extra 2,000 vote lead.
In each case, either there was a strong Dem enclave, or something funny went on. I say this because they were neck-and-neck all the rest of the night. The neck-and-neck part were consistent with the latest polls, with Hoffman having the edge. I’m willing to chalk it up to the union support switching from Scozzafava to Owens, if the returns posted at that time were in heavily urban precincts. Still, those two 2K vote blips were the race. I expected it to be decided by just a few hundred votes, not a few thousand.
Hoffman conceded, bit I still think someone should look into this, at least superficially. In the end, however, Scozzafava still being on the ticket robbed Hoffman of the victory. This is an odd turn, as the Repubs became the third-party spoilers for the third party, assuming those were folks who would have voted for Hoffman, if he had been the Pub candidate in the first place. Well, that, and the fact that the Dems had a huge last minute push from all over.
We’ll see what the morning tallies show from the problem precincts, as well as the absentees, but I doubt the absentees will change it for Hoffman, as many of these were cast some time ago, presumably, before he took off.
A lot of rat-feces perfume being pedaled by the trolls tonight.
Oh well.
Truth to power was trumped by power to truth.
Heh.
Truth to power?
Seriously,
if anything could conjure up an image of a “swastika”,
it’s: “Truth to Power”.
Wow. Someone got fired for that. Right?
Anyway.
Good luck with that communism thing trolls, it really seems to be catching on.
Ha. Ha.
New Jersey and Virgina,
we swept Obamamanian under the rug.
Nov. 2010-
Watch Out Democrat congressmen,
we are coming to get you!
Happy Halloween!
N & T: thanks for getting my morning off to an even more beautiful start. I’m laughing at you, bunkie.
Yeah, gee, too bad about NY-23. NJ is a heck of a consolation prize. Those damn rednecks! Here Corzine spent over $20 mil of his own money, bambi campaigned for him and still those Confederates voted GOP!
Obamacare gets kicked down the road til 2010. Possibly for good. Oh, this is a lovely day!
moho: Christie and McDonnell are both prolife.
And how’s that gay marriage thing working out in Maine?
What I find interesting (well, not really) is the sawdust between your ears.
I worry that these few small victories yesterday will render conservatives and libertarians complacent, as they are wont to do. The defeat of socialism will require DECADES of continued, unrelenting activist efforts. Now is not the time to ease up on the pressure, but rather increase it. After all, it has taken over 100 years for the socialists to bring America where we are today.
I don’t know if others know but it is my understanding that in many state/local races conservative candidates did well yesterday. Conservative candidates were victorious in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia. When this phenonenon occured in 1993, 1994 was a very good year for conservatives.
Tha independents are the key. They have turned away from Obama’s policies even though they like him personally. The air is going to continue to come out of that balloon, especially if tax payers are saddled with an additional 1.2 trillion in debt for Obamacare. People are angry about irresponsible spending, bailouts being esspecially unpopular. Chrysler, who recieved billions in tax payer dollars reported sales for October down 30% from the same month in 2008. Thats our money being wasted in a payoff to the UAW.
There are many chapters yet to be written before the 2010 election, but yesterday was a harbinger of future trouble for the irresponsible spenders.
I worry that these few small victories yesterday will render conservatives and libertarians complacent, as they are wont to do
No, we don’t want that. I agree we’ve got a lot of hard work in front of us.
But we can stop and savor our victories for a day. And enjoy the hissy fits of the left. Then all eyes to the next hurdle – 2010.
DAVE K #1 “If you don’t vote democrat; you are a racist.”That’s what his argument comes down to. Hysterical,politically impotent,predictable, boring,AND INEFFECTIVE,just like his Castroite President.
Agree, today is better than Christmas!! A bright spot in the weary landscape of this Obamination
Yeah but …
Never underestimate the pubbie’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I guarantee you the Stupid Party will refuse to forsake their ratlike ways and generally continue on their downward slide into oblivion. They will figure the tide has turned against the dims and now they can just continue with the same ole same ole. “The era of Reagan is dead” doncha know. The pubbie party is about as capable of returning to reaganism as a crack addict would be able to just say no in a room with drawers full of dope.
The hard fact is there is some not-terribly-large- percentage of folks in this nation with truly decent values (20% ?) and they have little power. The money and real power in this country is all in the hands of ordinary fallen men. Men who cheat on their wives and families, believe stealing from others is ‘doing business’, are addicted to money and power and this will not change.
The ‘world’ has been ever so. It only remained for capitalism without values to dominate most of the planet for the situation to reach ‘critical mass’. Capitalism has degenerated to mere piracy. Our republic could not withstand an ignorant degenerate populace. It has failed.
I recommend the decent people migrate to the South and secede.
Marc,
Scozzafava didn’t rob Hoffman. Hoffman isn’t just entitled to those votes, he needs to work for them and he didn’t. Accountability, I thought, is the conservative middle name? Only for when others screw up I guess.
The Bush tax cuts will expire soon; unemployment & interest rates will continue to rise (stagflation), and the Democrats still want to create more taxes even if they don’t get Communist ObamaCare & the Crap & Tax bills into law. Last night is a harbinger that the Democrats overreached & continue to overreach with their power grabs. I fully expect Obama & Nancy Pelosi to continue their power grabs, although Harry Reid has conceded ObamaCare will be pushed into 2010–just in time for the mid-term elections. Obama is toast.
@82. Donna V.: … a commenter at NRO is thinking along the same lines… Blue Dogs nervous about the trillion dollar Pelosi bill or Harry Reid adding the public option to the Senate bill despite having insufficient votes to get it through committee will be even more nervous after tonight’s demonstration of the public mood.
And BTW, the blue dogs won’t be using only the VA and NJ races to beat Reid and Pelosi over the head with, now that they’ve demonstrated which way the wind is blowing AND how little electoral campaign clout BHO has. They will ALSO be pointing to local races as well, because midterm support for candidates relies on local resources more than the ability to ride the coattails of a national candidate. If my (blue) State – which is seeing widespread Republican gains this morning – is any indication, they are going to have a lot of ammunition if they choose to balk at HillaryCare II.
- Too bad about NY-23, but,…,I can’t stop laughing tonight.
IMHO, NY-23 was a win in every way that was practicable under the circumstances (specifically, the brain-dead GOP ‘leadership’). The GOP was forced – by those it has only pretended to represent – to abandon a bad candidate. That’s a win. DIABLO Dede’s glaring unsuitability for elected office was publicly demonstrated when she pulled an ‘Arlen’ and supported the opposing party (exactly what she’d have done in Congress, if elected). That’s a win. Given the fact that the margin of Hoffman’s loss is about equal to those who voted BEFORE the actual candidates were determined, we know that a properly GOP-supported, conservative candidate would have won this election. That’s a win. In the larger sense, these are what Hoffman’s candidacy was all about. His victory would have been icing on the cake.
President Obama’s false face will continue to crack until it shatters completely with these defeats; expect him to become more angry, bitter, & have tunnel vision. He will be in complete denial. 2010 is not going to be pretty for the One. He better have a hanky present for all the boo-boo’s to come.
ObamaCare will become stagnant & hopefully killed. The same is true for Crap & Tax. Card Check? No, not a good sign Mr. President. Take your Marxism & shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Republicans today are reminding me of Mytzlplyck, Superman’s arch foe who could only be sent back to Dimension X if you got him to say his name backwards. Its pretty freakin’ obvious why Republicans lost the district in New York, and its names are on the tip of all tongues. Palin and Beck. They put Republicans on life support for a while with their narrow minority, but the lesson of the day is that moderates won in races where the incumbent candidate or party was unpopular. That’s not a bankable strategy, nor is reproducible.
100. deguello:
What was it you said . . . “You lost the 23rd!” . . .Was that it? I’m just trying to remember. Certainty, hubris, and a healthy dose of duh.
David K.
Do you dislike some black people?
107. Moho.
“Republicans today are reminding me of Mytzlplyck, Superman’s arch foe who could only be sent back to Dimension X if you got him to say his name backwards.”
Are you Jimmy Olsen?
This was obviously Palin’s way of igniting the Rapture for Republicans.
The second comment on this thread was mine. I wrote:
I don’t care if the Dems get the message. In fact, I’d prefer it if they remained clueless and stupid.
And, behold, the trolls prove that yes, they are determined to remain clueless and stupid! Wonderful! I’m in even a better mood than I was last night.
Republicans today are reminding me of Mytzlplyck, Superman’s arch foe who could only be sent back to Dimension X if you got him to say his name backwards.–Moho
How so? I don’t see the analogy. Mytzlplyck is basically an absolutely powerful trickster; he was bored in his dimension & came over to harass Superman (Superman is vulnerable to magic for those who do not know). Mytzlplyck also has the temperament of a child, although he is immortal. How do the Republicans’ wins fit into Mytzlplyck’s persona? I see more projection from the Democrats even with the analogy: A spoiled immature brat without his own way to think for himself. All he can do is harass Superman & toy with him until he loses.
While I’m happy about our victory in VA, it’s not entirely a victory for teaparty conservatism, etc. Creigh Deeds…is an ass. Jim Webb…is an ass. Gerry Connolly…is an ass (ask any DC area policeman about his antics at the police diver’s funeral). Jim Moron is a walking advertisement for “end-of-life counseling”. NoVa liberals got tired of voting for nincompoops..
@107. Moho: – … reminding me of Mytzlplyck …
Since you’re using a demonstrably false analogy, I guess it stands to reason that you wouldn’t have the slightest clue how to spell it correctly.
Typical.
- Its pretty freakin’ obvious why Republicans lost the district in New York, and its names are on the tip of all tongues. Palin and Beck.
LOL! Right. As far as NY23 goes, those names are only on the tips of the tongues connected to people living in mortal terror of Palin and Beck.
Last I checked, Owens opposed a government option / socialized medicine. He knows what the Blue Dogs know. And for the year he’ll be in Congress, that’s the one and only substantive aspect of his win. Well played.
Meanwhile, Palin and Beck helped to slap down the non-responsive GOP ‘leadership’ by revealing their choice of candidate to be nothing more than Arlen in unfashionable drag.
It was a win all around.
Typical uneducated leftists like Moho can’t even spell. It’s Mxyzptlk, moron.
Geostkr:
This is probably the first time that someone posting here has offered a legitimate criticism of one of my posts. Good lookin out.
It was a win all around.
LOL.
According to Newsbusters, President Obama watched HBO special about himself instead of watching for the election returns:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/11/04/obama-watched-hbo-special-about-himself-instead-election-results
President Obama is still ever the self-absorbed narcissist. He’s in deep denial. 2010 is not going to be any better.
The name of our new Governor Elect in the Commonwealth of Virginia is Robert McDonnell.
#108 No, YOU lost the 23rd,an intimidated blue dog democrat is far better for us,and worse for you than an empowered , Gingrich -approved RINO mole,ready to vote for Obamas socialist program.What did you Dems win?
#107 MOHO “Moderates won” You mean like in deep blue Westchester NY,where the demtard lib incumbent was routed(double digit margin of victory) by a right-to life conservative catholic,who weekly interviews the NY Cardinal for Catholic Radio? THAT kind of moderate? LOL!
#86 MOHO Keep dumping on Palin and Beck;it makes you look like a chihuahua,trying to fight a mastiff,trying to compensate for his puny size by hysterical barking,and frothing at the mouth: comical,ineffective,and absurd!
“I worry that these few small victories yesterday will render conservatives and libertarians complacent, as they are wont to do.”
Are you kidding? This is just the beginning. Do you know what’s happening in DC tomorrow? Healthcare is on it’s way down, cap n trade will never happen and Bambi is starting to feel the mounting wave of a full on taxpayer revolt setting in around him and his gang of thieves. Also, it’s impossible to guess how much fraud played into the elections yesterday, but with the spot light on ACORN it’s obvious to me that they were stiffled in their attempts to steal votes as they have in the past. The left can’t win unless they cheat. It’s a great day, don’t fret stay vigilant!
Donna, from this very own idiotic blogsite
Christie is very quick to point out that he is “pro-life” but then goes on to dissemble about the need to “reduce the number” of abortions and nibble around the edges with talk of parental notification. In fact, aside from using the pro-life buzz phrase, his position is barely discernible from that of Hillary Clinton during her failed presidential bid.
LOL. The funny thing is even with all this sawdust between my ears, out-thinking you is probably the easiest thing I’ve done all day.
I’d be worried if I started agreeing with them.
Of course you’d be worried. Becuase then you’d be substituting reason for brainless religious conformity. It worries me too–once you do that you have to figure out right and wrong on your own. Sorry to be the snake pointing to your naked ignorance, Donna. I’ll agree, its not easy.
I have to laugh watching you children scramble into the one area where your knowledge might be fact-based, comic books. I concede. I spelt Mzyplitk wrong, mostly because I didn’t bother to look it up and did it from memory. But good on you kids for googling it and presenting the correct spelling. You might think of applying that same research to the rest of your asinine ideas. Oh well, maybe its a start. I have no problem admitting I’m wrong–yes, I spelled Mzyplitk wrong. And I just did it again. There, I’m throwing you the one bone you’ve ever had or will ever get in the thinking department.
Moho:
Now I understand your deep love for bambi. he’s your bro from a different mo. You’re both arrogant narssacists never willing to admit defeat. Always deflecting but ultimately it’s always about you.
You poor miserable creature. must be a Superman complex, too many comit books under your bunk bed??
126. Moho.
“I have to laugh watching you children scramble into the one area where your knowledge might be fact-based, comic books. I concede.”
Why are you commenting on PJM? Are you taking the easy route? You… are? If the commenting here is not up to your standards, then why bother? Are you just a tormenter of children?
Nice state of mind. Liberal Daddy Abuses Those PJM You People Children.
“There, I’m throwing you the one bone you’ve ever had or will ever get in the thinking department.”
There, are you admitting that you have a… bone? How is this possible with the Moho/Jimmy Olsen doll? Isn’t the Modern Liberal required to list itself as multi-sexual?
Hey, say hi to Van Jones for me.
Moho:
Christie is very quick to point out that he is “pro-life” but then goes on to dissemble about the need to “reduce the number” of abortions and nibble around the edges with talk of parental notification. In fact, aside from using the pro-life buzz phrase, his position is barely discernible from that of Hillary Clinton during her failed presidential bid.
LOL. The funny thing is even with all this sawdust between my ears, out-thinking you is probably the easiest thing I’ve done all day.
This is exactly the problem of most liberals. They sieze upon ONE item/issue instead of looking at the full platform. Is a Christie the ‘perfect candidate’? No. Does he agree with Conservative principles? Yes, about 80% of the time. Now take a look at Dede Scozzafava as a “Republican” candidate. She agrees with Conservative priciples about 20% of the time, max.
A candidate who agrees with me 80% of the time usually gets my vote. A candidate that agrees with me 20% of the time doesn’t.
I have a sneaking suspision this sort of vote determination just doesn’t work for libs since they exhibit such one-issue mindsets.
Are you taking the easy route? You… are? If the commenting here is not up to your standards, then why bother? Are you just a tormenter of children?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Its an easy way to let off stress while excoriating the stupid people that are ruining our country.
4. No, not exactly. Tormenter of child-like adults.
Please feel free to keep asking questions.
Still laughing at you, moho. Obamacare took a big, and possibly fatal hit yesterday. The impotent fury of a juvenile Internet troll can’t change that fact.
Fun, fun, fun,….,
120. deguello:
I get it, of guello, you’re a conservative so you can’t lose no matter what happens. Pretty easy to live up to. You should challenge yourselves a bit more. Don’t be such a
I am positive President Obama will try to ram through ObamaCare since Obama is politically tone deaf even with a script; however, for all intents & purposes, ObamaCare took a fatal blow last night thanks to the Republican governors replacing the Democrat governors in Virginia & New Jersey. The Democrats have already overplayed their hand with Porkulus, Cap & Trade (in the House), & TARP II. Yet Obama wants to go on with his Communist strategy, despite the powerful, growing resistance. Many Congressional Democrats & RINO Republicans are already the walking dead, although they are unaware they are toast. 2010 will be a bloodbath while Obama will have a repeat of today & say it’s not because of him. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
75. Peepers:
“With all the unsubstantiated hogwash spewed out on this website every day, it is incredibly laughable when a numskull, moronic troll asks for evidence. The place for evidence is a courtroom, you fool. There are rules of evidence you must follow. A judge must approve it. Is anybody here a judge? Fool, there’s no such thing as evidence in terms of comments. FYI, though, the 500 million cuts in Medicare so far can be found in the 1,900 plus page PelosiCare bill made public a few days ago.”
Wow, that as a huge . . . something, I’m not sure whether to call it a disappointment or the rambling resignation of a guilt-induced fugue state.
“numskull, moronic troll” . . . Clearly you’ve given up already at this point. So common. So artless.
“there’s no such thing as evidence in terms of comments” . . . If that means what I think it means, assuming it means what you think it means, it’s meaningless. I asked you a simple question – What does “a $500 billion cut in Medicare mean? You said it would “bleed our seniors dry.” Let me help. The $500 billion comes from cuts in subsidies to insurance companies. You know what a subsidy is, right? It’s a perpetual bailout. You think the insurance companies need one of those? Think they’re not making enough money, do ya?
You said “Admittedly Franken stole the election.” I asked “Admitted by who.” Well, apparently the who is you. Sorry, but I think it’s probably clear by now that I can’t use you as a reliable source.
You said Holder called America “a nation racist cowards.” I said he didn’t say that. Here’s the quote:
“”Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards.” See, he didn’t call anybody racist. I know . . . “evidence.” Sheesh.
What, midterms got you down? Do me a favor, next time you throw in the towel like that be a little less angry. It’s a tell. I’m all in. (Truth be told, i can’t actually GET all in, but you won’t begrudge me that, will ya Peeps?)
Thanks. It was fun.
Still laughing at you, moho. Obamacare took a big, and possibly fatal hit yesterday. The impotent fury of a juvenile Internet troll can’t change that fact.
You assume I care. Then your point is void, because I don’t. You can laugh about it all you want; if it brings some satisfaction into your dank, dismal uninformed life, who am I to stop you?
130. Moho.
“3. Its an easy way to let off stress while excoriating the stupid people that are ruining our country.”
Stress? No community service? No volunteerism? No changing a flat tire for a conservative?
“Excoriating the stupid people…” Quite the occupation. Who might the stupid people be? “… that are ruining our country.” Who holds the majority now?
“4. No, not exactly. Tormenter of child-like adults.”
A tormentor, nonetheless. How positive. Really, now, Hope and Change, Modern Liberal style?
Did you say hello to Van Jones?
You are capitalizing Moho now. Why?
your dank, dismal uninformed life
Projecting again, moho. It’s trolls who live under dank and dirty bridges.
As Mr. Lucky said, how can we be “ruining the country” when it’s your people who hold the power? You have told us many times the GOP is finished, it’s just a regional party, we’re only rednecks and nobody is paying attention to us – and yet “we’re ruining the country?” In the meantime, Obama’s more popular than Snickers Bars on Halloween, the Dems have both the House and Senate – and yet, somehow the healthcare bill just keeps getting kicked down the road. Quite the paradox, that.
How positive
Mr. Lucky, do you think moho ever did anything positive in his life? From his comments here, do you think he ever volunteered to help anyone, or performed any kindness unbidden? Hell, no, not unless he got something out of it. That’s why the leftists want the government to be “compassionate” – because they themselves can’t be bothered.
@117. Moho: – It was a win all around. … LOL.
Yes. And Owens’ A-rating from the NRA: another win. Definitely good reason to LOL.
Donna, you’re so incredibly stupid that it’s difficult for me to describe. Firstly, Republicans were in power for eight years, you did a lot of damage, which somehow you want to place all at the feet of Democrats. Lord knows they had a hand in it, but there has never been anything like the incompetence Republicans brought upon this country. In lives lost, in infrastructure left to putrify, in sheer deficit dollars, there’s been nothing like it. Its you stupid people who supported it, and its you people who continue to support it. Forgive me if I don’t think that a year break from your staggering stupidity has fixed anything yet.
As for my helping people, you can’t have any idea about that, nor is it any of your business. Only someone of your cro-magnon intellect would think that somehow would be an insult or calling out. I could lie about it from here to next Thursday, what difference would it make? Idiot. Take it one step further, how would it affect the ideas I have about government either negatively or positively? Would a Klan member who helps his white friends and family and even volunteers at all white institutions be an alright guy by you, simply because he helps people.
Like I said, you’re ruining the country. The way you’re ruining the country is that you’re stupid to make informed decisions.
Okay, Goy, that’s fine. You can go cry it off at the local bar now. Pathetic.
139. Moho.
“Like I said…”
“…there has never been anything like the incompetence Republicans brought upon this country. In lives lost, in infrastructure left to putrify, in sheer deficit dollars, there’s been nothing like it.”
What about the Civil War? And the deficit spending this last year? Or ________? Has the world come to an end? Nothing like it? Sure.
“Its you stupid people…” “Republicans were in power for eight years…”
The U.S. was founded, when? Nine years ago?
Is agreeing with you the sole determining factor for a person’s intelligence?
“Forgive me if I don’t think that a year break from your staggering stupidity has fixed anything yet.”
Forgiven.
Who is not stupid in the Moho World? Anyone? Maybe the mirror that agrees with you? Just maybe, though.
Did you say hello to Van Jones? Or is Van dissing you now?
in sheer deficit dollars
LOL, yeah, you’re so concerned about the deficit that you lick the boots of the man who is busily increasing the deficit by trillions. Stupid, stupid moho.
Still laughing at you, twinkie.
Did you say hello to Van Jones? Or is Van dissing you now?
Judging from the fact that you think that’s some kind of cutting remark, I’m afraid you’re going to remain in the stupid column.
Who is not stupid in the Moho World? Anyone? Maybe the mirror that agrees with you? Just maybe, though.
Lots of people. I’d say I’m only of average intelligence. But you people are something else. Stupid is almost a compliment considering how little intellect is demonstrated by supporting a party that has bankrupted your country in needless war–and literally admitted it! They told you suckers that they sent our sons and daughters to Iraq for nothing, and that we went into generations of debt to do it. AND you still voted for them and continue to vote for them. Certainly, that is the definition of stupid–giving someone your money and support even as they openly screw you. That would be fine if you were off in your own confederate paradise screwing your own country up. But the rest of us live here too.
@140. Moho: – Okay, Goy, that’s fine. You can go cry it off at the local bar now.
No reason to cry about a Democrat who’s campaigned against the trojan horse ‘public option’ and who has an NRA ‘A’ rating.
Oh wait – you were projecting your own despondence. Nevermind. Just remember – don’t drink and drive. In your case, you should call the Whaaaaambulance to take you home. I hear they’re giving pompous gasbags and useful idiots – like you – a discount this week. Part of the “Stimulus”.
#132 NOW&THEN You are beginning to get it; WE CAN’T LOSE!The tide has turned;wait till next November(and tell ACORN that if they try intimidation,they’ll lose as well). Say a protracted goodbye to Obama(lame duck Obama).