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		<title>By: MD Laws</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/dc-voting-rights-bill-a-raw-deal-for-republicans/#comment-945695</link>
		<dc:creator>MD Laws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people that talk about the Constipation as if it was a holly docuement, give me a break; the Constipation is trash; it was never written or amendmented to include African Americans.  It is like all laws written by this government trash; trash that only gave rights to life and liberty to whites. The constipation is back wash that comes out of your rear end.....it is pure words on old paper..pure trash; it probably will not burn good!!!! Read it from an African Americans view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people that talk about the Constipation as if it was a holly docuement, give me a break; the Constipation is trash; it was never written or amendmented to include African Americans.  It is like all laws written by this government trash; trash that only gave rights to life and liberty to whites. The constipation is back wash that comes out of your rear end&#8230;..it is pure words on old paper..pure trash; it probably will not burn good!!!! Read it from an African Americans view.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockmelon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/dc-voting-rights-bill-a-raw-deal-for-republicans/#comment-229191</link>
		<dc:creator>Rockmelon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then, there is only one action we can take.  The Republicans must work harder!

The majority of Democratic voters are ignorant and easily dazzled by melanin.  The Democratic politicians are pandering to that ignorance in an effort to keep their jobs.

If a theater is filled to capacity and only one person yells, &quot;Fire&quot;, the others are going to hear it and react in some manner.  Likewise, millions of people are yelling about Obama&#039;s reckless leadership but no one is reacting at all.  The Americans are being railroaded by those in power who care only about remaining in their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, there is only one action we can take.  The Republicans must work harder!</p>
<p>The majority of Democratic voters are ignorant and easily dazzled by melanin.  The Democratic politicians are pandering to that ignorance in an effort to keep their jobs.</p>
<p>If a theater is filled to capacity and only one person yells, &#8220;Fire&#8221;, the others are going to hear it and react in some manner.  Likewise, millions of people are yelling about Obama&#8217;s reckless leadership but no one is reacting at all.  The Americans are being railroaded by those in power who care only about remaining in their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: JackT</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/dc-voting-rights-bill-a-raw-deal-for-republicans/#comment-217415</link>
		<dc:creator>JackT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to do as much as we can to install liberal policies and agendas while we have the power. To make sure we are focused on helping the middle and lower classes get a bigger piece of the American pie. And to make sure taxes are raised on those that can afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to do as much as we can to install liberal policies and agendas while we have the power. To make sure we are focused on helping the middle and lower classes get a bigger piece of the American pie. And to make sure taxes are raised on those that can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/dc-voting-rights-bill-a-raw-deal-for-republicans/#comment-216989</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Jeff Weimer - I wasn&#039;t proposing a specific remedy, just that there should be one (yes, a Constitutional one).  I know some feel there is a Constitutional issue, others interpret the Constitution differently, but in time, that will get sorted out (provided the courts ever get around to it).  

Regardless of how long this has been a problem or the actual shape and form of the remedy, I stand by my statement that this needs to be fixed.  If you want us to wait until DC becomes predominantly Republican or perhaps another say 80 years so you guys can get your sea legs back, just let us know.

#12 LawHawk - You assume to much if you think my comments were directed at you (or your comments), they weren&#039;t.  Relax.  I hadn&#039;t even read your post.

Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Jeff Weimer &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t proposing a specific remedy, just that there should be one (yes, a Constitutional one).  I know some feel there is a Constitutional issue, others interpret the Constitution differently, but in time, that will get sorted out (provided the courts ever get around to it).  </p>
<p>Regardless of how long this has been a problem or the actual shape and form of the remedy, I stand by my statement that this needs to be fixed.  If you want us to wait until DC becomes predominantly Republican or perhaps another say 80 years so you guys can get your sea legs back, just let us know.</p>
<p>#12 LawHawk &#8211; You assume to much if you think my comments were directed at you (or your comments), they weren&#8217;t.  Relax.  I hadn&#8217;t even read your post.</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>By: LawhawkSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>LawhawkSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff and e:  You are correct that residential portions of the District can be ceded back to the corresponding states that they were carved out of.   It is even theoretically possible to reduce the District simply to the federal buildings, and nothing else.  The Constitution requires only that it be the seat of government, nothing more.  The reality is that this isn&#039;t about &quot;taxation without representation&quot; and everybody knows it.  It&#039;s about creating a new heavily Democratic faux state without the bother of doing what the Constitution requires.  Your solutions are both good and valid, but they would clearly not accomplish the underlying Democratic goal.  They don&#039;t just want votes, they want &quot;votes plus.&quot;

In the unlikely event that the residents of DC could actually succeed in getting the approval of two-thirds of Congress and three-quarters of the states for making DC a state, the whole current Democratic political plan would be thwarted.  They want all the benefits and none of the burdens of being a state.  With Marion Barry and his gang in charge, how would the state of Columbia (sorry, &quot;Washington&quot; is already taken) fund itself?  It is almost entirely dependent on federal money, and even California hasn&#039;t gone that far.  The only thing that would be accomplished would be the creation of the poorest and most dangerous state in the union.  But if the Democrats succeed in their current plan, they get votes in the House and later the Senate without ever having to demand that the District become a responsible, independent state.  And they can continue to buy the District&#039;s votes with the tax money from all the other states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff and e:  You are correct that residential portions of the District can be ceded back to the corresponding states that they were carved out of.   It is even theoretically possible to reduce the District simply to the federal buildings, and nothing else.  The Constitution requires only that it be the seat of government, nothing more.  The reality is that this isn&#8217;t about &#8220;taxation without representation&#8221; and everybody knows it.  It&#8217;s about creating a new heavily Democratic faux state without the bother of doing what the Constitution requires.  Your solutions are both good and valid, but they would clearly not accomplish the underlying Democratic goal.  They don&#8217;t just want votes, they want &#8220;votes plus.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the unlikely event that the residents of DC could actually succeed in getting the approval of two-thirds of Congress and three-quarters of the states for making DC a state, the whole current Democratic political plan would be thwarted.  They want all the benefits and none of the burdens of being a state.  With Marion Barry and his gang in charge, how would the state of Columbia (sorry, &#8220;Washington&#8221; is already taken) fund itself?  It is almost entirely dependent on federal money, and even California hasn&#8217;t gone that far.  The only thing that would be accomplished would be the creation of the poorest and most dangerous state in the union.  But if the Democrats succeed in their current plan, they get votes in the House and later the Senate without ever having to demand that the District become a responsible, independent state.  And they can continue to buy the District&#8217;s votes with the tax money from all the other states.</p>
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		<title>By: e</title>
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		<dc:creator>e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, in addition the same could go with any US citizen living in a US territory.  Pick a state and a district and you&#039;re golden.  If you want Puerto Rico to be represented in Congress then write a State Constitution and make it one as provided in the US Constitution.  Otherwise, entities that are not a State do not deserve the rights and privileges of a State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, in addition the same could go with any US citizen living in a US territory.  Pick a state and a district and you&#8217;re golden.  If you want Puerto Rico to be represented in Congress then write a State Constitution and make it one as provided in the US Constitution.  Otherwise, entities that are not a State do not deserve the rights and privileges of a State.</p>
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		<title>By: e</title>
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		<dc:creator>e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe require everyone in DC to declare a state, and district.  That way they get their own representatives in Congress and everything else.

I don&#039;t see any need for them to pay local taxes, but state (income, etc.) taxes is reasonable.  With electronic voting everyone can have the correct ballot without sending in for an absentee ballot.

If they don&#039;t declare, they default to Maryland, everybody wins.

Oh wait, it was never about giving members of DC representation was it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe require everyone in DC to declare a state, and district.  That way they get their own representatives in Congress and everything else.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any need for them to pay local taxes, but state (income, etc.) taxes is reasonable.  With electronic voting everyone can have the correct ballot without sending in for an absentee ballot.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t declare, they default to Maryland, everybody wins.</p>
<p>Oh wait, it was never about giving members of DC representation was it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LawhawkSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>LawhawkSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently &quot;Jack&quot; didn&#039;t read my earlier post.  In the first paragraph I made it clear that I definitely did not &quot;pretend that the Republicans don&#039;t gerrymander any less than the Dems. . .&quot;  Gerrymandering is, indeed, for the benefit of the parties in control of the gerrymandering.  I, too, wish to see it stopped.  That said, it isn&#039;t a matter of &quot;redrawing neighborhoods every few years.&quot;  It is a Constitutional mandate to re-draw districts based on the census in order to account for shifts in population.  That&#039;s how the representation in the House of Representatives is supposed to be determined.  Gerrymandering is a misuse of this mandate.  And now Obama, for the first time in history, has taken the matter of the census away from one of the Departments and put it into his own hands.  You don&#039;t like local gerrymandering?  Obama is planning on national gerrymandering, controlled by his White House.

It isn&#039;t hard for me or anyone else who understands the Constitution to &quot;allow the folks in DC to vote&quot; by virtue of a Congressional act.  It is impossible.  I explained carefully in my final paragraph how it can be accomplished.  Apparently, you also failed to understand the &quot;extra votes.&quot; What extra votes?  Try reading what I wrote again, and argue it intelligently instead of calling it &quot;garbage.&quot;  

It is not &quot;extra votes.&quot;  It&#039;s TWO seats EXACTLY, and not in the House, but in the Senate.  As the matter presently stands, the Democrats gain nothing since the one seat in the House is offset by a Republican seat from Utah.  It&#039;s not just the one seat we&#039;re challenging, since it&#039;s a draw--one seat pickup for the Democrats, and one for the Republicans.  The reason we challenge it is twofold:  1.  It is unconstitutional, and  2. It opens the door for a further unconstitutional Congressional act granting DC two seats in the Senate.  Do you understand now? Not garbage, but distinct possibility.

As for your final paragraph, I wouldn&#039;t care if DC were lily-white and Republican.  Giving them a vote in the House using a Congressional act is still unconstitutional.  Your lack of understanding of the Constitution is precisely how the Democrats rammed this bill through in the first place.  &quot;. . . put up a bill that is just about DC and then I can vote on it.&quot;  How exactly do you plan on doing that?  Do you have a vote in Congress, or do you plan on having Congress invent a national plebiscite so you can vote on it?  Bill, schmill, that&#039;s not how it works.

If you really want to vote on the issue, you can&#039;t, but here&#039;s how it&#039;s done:  You convince enough genuine Congressional representatives (House and Senate)to propose a bill making DC a state (or simply giving its citizens the right to have two Senators and a proportional number of House members).  When that bill has the necessary two-thirds votes in both houses, it must then be sent to the states where three-quarters of the genuine state legislatures must vote in favor of it.  The President, by the way, has no part in this process. Alternatively, you could convince two-thirds the state legislatures to call a constitutional convention, but since that method has never been used, it&#039;s a little unlikely.

Creating a Congressional vote for DC by amendment is an arduous process.  The Founding Fathers intended it to be that way.  But it can be done.  The Democrats simply chose a shorter, illegitimate and unconstitutional way to get what they wanted (and to set the stage for the two Senate seats).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently &#8220;Jack&#8221; didn&#8217;t read my earlier post.  In the first paragraph I made it clear that I definitely did not &#8220;pretend that the Republicans don&#8217;t gerrymander any less than the Dems. . .&#8221;  Gerrymandering is, indeed, for the benefit of the parties in control of the gerrymandering.  I, too, wish to see it stopped.  That said, it isn&#8217;t a matter of &#8220;redrawing neighborhoods every few years.&#8221;  It is a Constitutional mandate to re-draw districts based on the census in order to account for shifts in population.  That&#8217;s how the representation in the House of Representatives is supposed to be determined.  Gerrymandering is a misuse of this mandate.  And now Obama, for the first time in history, has taken the matter of the census away from one of the Departments and put it into his own hands.  You don&#8217;t like local gerrymandering?  Obama is planning on national gerrymandering, controlled by his White House.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t hard for me or anyone else who understands the Constitution to &#8220;allow the folks in DC to vote&#8221; by virtue of a Congressional act.  It is impossible.  I explained carefully in my final paragraph how it can be accomplished.  Apparently, you also failed to understand the &#8220;extra votes.&#8221; What extra votes?  Try reading what I wrote again, and argue it intelligently instead of calling it &#8220;garbage.&#8221;  </p>
<p>It is not &#8220;extra votes.&#8221;  It&#8217;s TWO seats EXACTLY, and not in the House, but in the Senate.  As the matter presently stands, the Democrats gain nothing since the one seat in the House is offset by a Republican seat from Utah.  It&#8217;s not just the one seat we&#8217;re challenging, since it&#8217;s a draw&#8211;one seat pickup for the Democrats, and one for the Republicans.  The reason we challenge it is twofold:  1.  It is unconstitutional, and  2. It opens the door for a further unconstitutional Congressional act granting DC two seats in the Senate.  Do you understand now? Not garbage, but distinct possibility.</p>
<p>As for your final paragraph, I wouldn&#8217;t care if DC were lily-white and Republican.  Giving them a vote in the House using a Congressional act is still unconstitutional.  Your lack of understanding of the Constitution is precisely how the Democrats rammed this bill through in the first place.  &#8220;. . . put up a bill that is just about DC and then I can vote on it.&#8221;  How exactly do you plan on doing that?  Do you have a vote in Congress, or do you plan on having Congress invent a national plebiscite so you can vote on it?  Bill, schmill, that&#8217;s not how it works.</p>
<p>If you really want to vote on the issue, you can&#8217;t, but here&#8217;s how it&#8217;s done:  You convince enough genuine Congressional representatives (House and Senate)to propose a bill making DC a state (or simply giving its citizens the right to have two Senators and a proportional number of House members).  When that bill has the necessary two-thirds votes in both houses, it must then be sent to the states where three-quarters of the genuine state legislatures must vote in favor of it.  The President, by the way, has no part in this process. Alternatively, you could convince two-thirds the state legislatures to call a constitutional convention, but since that method has never been used, it&#8217;s a little unlikely.</p>
<p>Creating a Congressional vote for DC by amendment is an arduous process.  The Founding Fathers intended it to be that way.  But it can be done.  The Democrats simply chose a shorter, illegitimate and unconstitutional way to get what they wanted (and to set the stage for the two Senate seats).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Weimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Weimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, 

This has been a &quot;prblem&quot; for nearly as long as we&#039;ve have a Republic. Why is it such a problem now? Why is it so gosh darn important when our economy is crashing, our enemies are openly mocking us, and our friends are wondering if we&#039;re up to the challenge anymore? 

There are many ways in which this can be solved, from a Constitutional amendment to simply apportioning their votes to a neighboring district in Maryland or Virginia. That actually has been done before for a similar situation. This plan they&#039;re pushing is pure ass, and unconstitutional to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, </p>
<p>This has been a &#8220;prblem&#8221; for nearly as long as we&#8217;ve have a Republic. Why is it such a problem now? Why is it so gosh darn important when our economy is crashing, our enemies are openly mocking us, and our friends are wondering if we&#8217;re up to the challenge anymore? </p>
<p>There are many ways in which this can be solved, from a Constitutional amendment to simply apportioning their votes to a neighboring district in Maryland or Virginia. That actually has been done before for a similar situation. This plan they&#8217;re pushing is pure ass, and unconstitutional to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: lady_koenig</title>
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		<dc:creator>lady_koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would any self-respecting, resonabaly intelligent Republican vote to give DC voting rights? This is just giving Democrats more clout in the Congress and Senate. And again they might want to consider the Constitution. I do not know why they would want to consider that but look at the intent of the Founding Fathers. 

I am so upset at the blindness of my fellow American voters. And I hope we can turn it all around at some point. But I called my two Democratic US representatives and they could not hang up on me quick enough. One of them Lives in Boulder, what can I expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would any self-respecting, resonabaly intelligent Republican vote to give DC voting rights? This is just giving Democrats more clout in the Congress and Senate. And again they might want to consider the Constitution. I do not know why they would want to consider that but look at the intent of the Founding Fathers. </p>
<p>I am so upset at the blindness of my fellow American voters. And I hope we can turn it all around at some point. But I called my two Democratic US representatives and they could not hang up on me quick enough. One of them Lives in Boulder, what can I expect?</p>
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