Osama Bin Laden and Dangerous Double Games
Americans have had a rude awakening. The military’s liquidation of Osama bin Laden a few days ago in a million-dollar, heavily secured compound close by a Pakistani military academy has brought home to many what had previously been understood by only a few: One of the nations officially deemed a key ally in the so-called “War on Terror” has been playing us for fools.
It is called a double game and here’s how you play it: First, you cooperate in some respects with the United States in countering the “terrorists” the Americans seek to capture, kill, or at least neutralize. In return, you get paid handsomely for it — in the case of Pakistan, that translates into an annual U.S. allotment of some $3 billion and access to American intelligence, weapons, and political support. In parallel, however, you systematically sabotage the whole effort by cooperating extensively with our enemies, some of whom you support, more or less directly.
Pakistan happens to be a particularly egregious example of the phenomenon. For decades, Pakistani officials — notably in Islamabad’s intelligence agency, the ISI — have been tied to and supportive of Islamists at home and in neighboring nations. Without such assistance, the international campaign led by the United States aimed at liberating and securing Afghanistan would likely have been considerably more successful and vastly less costly.
Bin Laden’s hiding-in-plain-sight lair 35 miles from the Pakistani capital has become the most glaring example of an endemic problem: the safe havens and other forms of protection Pakistan has afforded to those seeking to murder Americans. Denials, such as that of the Pakistani president in Monday’s Washington Post, are, to put it charitably, unpersuasive.
To varying degrees, U.S. allies elsewhere in the so-called “Muslim world” have also engaged in double games with us. For example, the Saudis have helped counter al-Qaeda inside their kingdom, even as they fund its operations and those of others, like the Muslim Brotherhood, who share the violent jihadists’ goal of imposing the politico-military-legal program known as shariah under a global ruler, the caliph.
Similarly, throughout his 30-year rule, Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak maintained a cold peace with Israel and “cooperated” by sharing terrorism-related intelligence, for which his country received lavish U.S. funding and advanced armaments. Yet, he also allowed his state-controlled media, mosques, and educational system to fan rabid anti-Semitism and anti-Western sentiment. Thanks in part to this indoctrination, Egypt’s “awakening” is likely to translate into an open-ended nightmare, as the Brotherhood parlays such popular attitudes into an electoral mandate and then begins enforcing shariah.
Note that this double game is how the ISI indirectly channeled CIA funds to a then unknown OBL, which is now used as a stick by the left to beat up conservatives via the Reagan administration. I supported that policy when it was in effect, but then after it succeeded in driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan, letting the whole thing drop without some kind of follow-through was a huge mistake. Mea culpa.
“The same can be said of a government or nation that seeks simultaneously to defeat an enemy and assist it.”
As as Israeli, I can tell you I’ve been down this road. Ever since Oslo, most Israelis have chosen to entertain the fantasy of peace rather than face the reality of being at war. The game gets more dangerous all the time.
Bad BAD BAD idea to lose physical custody of the body….
We were worried about providing a “site of worship?” for the crazies?
We just GUARANTEED ONE by leaving his body unattended.
Sure as shit.
Especially when they have PICTURES of what went into the water.
Just you wait and see….the New Mythology
“The shroud of Bin Laden…floated majestically above the water….with a irredecent glow, and set itself into the hands of a humble Shepard Boy, who brought it to ME….The shroud and the BLOOD of the Lion spoke to ME and proclaimed ME master of the universe, warrior of the righteous, durka-durka-durka, mohammed jihad”
Lets see now…lots of blood to be mopped up at the house.
Sure as shit SOME of its his….
A piece of CLOTH with HIS blood on it (and independent DNA matches!) Peddaled as “the Shroud of Bin Laden”
Terrorists worldwide proclaiming victory, and “humilliation” to the infidel, as the Lion of The Land AND the Waters rises in spirit to anoint a New Leader?
Everything ABOUT these people is a lie.
Why would we give them the opportunity for something like this?
Stupid, stupid, stupid
…. Everything ABOUT these people is a lie.
…. Why would we give them the opportunity for something like this?
…. Stupid, stupid, stupid ….
Stupid, O’Zero The Pretender
The US is doing the same thing – by supporting the Muslims in the Balkans, and by supporting the al-Qaeda-linked rebels in Libya.
Basically, we’ve been paying what in the old days was called “tribute” to a Muslim nation. The Barbary Pirates wanted the Jefferson administration to pay them a tribute so that they would not attack US merchant ships in the Mediterranean at the beginning of the Nineteenth century. Jefferson responded in 1801 by sending the American fleet to the coast of North Africa to fight the Barbary Pirates and told them no more money was coming from the United States. And guess what? Jefferson won. It took years to do it, but the Barbary Pirate threat was eliminated and we no longer had to pay “tribute” to those vermin.
The Pakistanis want us to pay “tribute” so that they will help us to find more terrorists. While they take this tribute, they then help their fellow Muslims who are trying to kill Americans. We are wasting precious time, money, and resources on a pointless war in Libya. That is a civil war and we had no business getting involved in it. The focus should be on Iran and Pakistan. And with Pakistan, we should stop sending them a dime in foreign aid until we can get another Army general who will actually cooperate with us. If not, we keep sending forces into that country to root-out terrorists that are trying to kill us. All of the major al Qaeda terrorists we have captured or killed that were connected to 9/11 have been found in Pakistan (including KSM and bin Laden). Is that a coincidence? I don’t think so. These are a bunch of duplicitous Middle Easterners that we’re dealing with. The time to be nice (and naive) is over.
Our politicians continue to be politically correct, at the expense of American lives. The USA has the military capability of defeating ANY country on the planet, yet since WW II we haven’t used that power; our presidents do not want to offend the enemy.
Bush said it years ago: “If you’re not with us, you’re against us”. It’s long past time we elected a president who stopped paying danegeld and started kicking ass. Maybe in 2012 . . .
Donald Trump is high in the polls because he says what’s on all our minds. He isn’t politically correct. The Republicans need to nominate someone (ANYONE!) who will stop the pandering to minorities and terrorists and tell the truth. We don’t need “bi-partisanship” or “reaching across the aisle”, we need someone who stands up for the rank-and-file Americans, not for international (and domestic) socialists who want to establish a new world order, run by elitist Marxists like Obama.
When I began reading this piece, I couldn’t help but ponder the thought that what Frank was describing applied to how O’bama is acting as our pseudo President!! He is acting like he represents all of us in order to get the “toys”, but he goes around the world on apology tours, and picks and chooses winners depending upon whether they support him or not. Recently he has begun to pick and choose news outlets: newspapers, reporters, editors, etc. So it sounds as though he, like the pakistanis, are playing us as fools too!! Now that is a shocker….Point of clarity: he is our president in that he holds the position. But that is where the similarity ends….thus “pseudo”…
True that. The sooner we get that charletan out of Washington, the better off the whole world will be.
Frank – you forgot Libya, where we are spending billions and risking out lives to help the “rebels” who include Al-Qaeda fighters, salafists, and muslim brotherhood. We are helping out enemies to take over a country with vast oil resources, ports, and an army! The salafists running Libya and making billions from oil and gas is much more dangerous than some idiots in a cave planning to bomb a subway.
And there is Egypt, were Obama’s insistence Mubarak leave right away gave a huge opening for the Muslim Brotherhood to dominate politically. If we have waited until September other parties could have gotten organized, other parties would have had a chance to organize. Right now MB and the radical salafists are the biggest game in town and will likely dominate the government.
There are whole countries up for grabs and we are helping radical Islamists control them!
You can bet when they gain control they will act just like Pakistan – take our aid and weapons and support terror on the side.
Jay,
You state: “Frank – you forgot Libya, where we are spending billions and risking out lives to help the “rebels” who include Al-Qaeda fighters, salafists, and muslim brotherhood. We are helping out enemies to take over a country with vast oil resources, ports, and an army!”
It is absolutely terrifying that American leaders CHOOSE repeatedly to go on the side of the most radical elements of Islam. They are deliberately bringing into power the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, salafists, et al.
The implications for Americans are frightening. We have never been in such great danger of losing our freedom.
You mention Egypt and the result of getting rid of Mubarack.
If it comes to war the extremists might just get their dream this time of ridding the world of Israel, the one country that has never sold America out.
For all the aid it has returned, through its research and technological advances, wealth to American companies and improved lifestyles for US citizens and political support.
Seems that those who have criticized the loan guarantees and aid to Israel only appreciate it when they are sold a pig in a poke.
What is treason?
With all respect, Mr Gaffney is wrong. Our enemies are not playing us for fools. Our enemies are neither smart enough nor strong enough.
It is our own elites who are playing us for fools. And it has been going on for a long time. If Osama or some other terrorist left a crater in the ground where the State Department used to be, this nation would be a lot better off.
Folks shake their heads wondering how OBL could have spent years sequestered in a compound that stood out like a sore thumb in a neighborhood that would be a specific target for intelligence gathering. Yet the raid itself also raises some interesting questions-
1- Why would a pilot crash his helicopter within a walled compound where it would be a target for automatic weapons fire? This violates several rules of engagement. Remember, photos clearly show plenty of landing space outside the walls.
Of course if the pilot knew there would be no firing from the compound ….
Or if a package had to be off-loaded and that had to occur within the walls of the compound so there would be no chance of escape….
And of course the timing, for BHO, could not have been more opportune. Talk of a birth certificate is well off the radar.
Answer to number 1 is obvious:
If you land OUTSIDE THE WALLED COMPOUND compound,
how do you get INSIDE THE WALLED COMPOUND?
On foot?
With ladders?
Grappling hooks and knotted ropes?
A catapult?
Maybe they did intended to “fast-rope” in quickly from OVER the compound, then have the bird(s) hover elsewhere to minimize small arms exposure till it was “snatch time”, but once their was an issue with flight dynamics, setting down INSIDE was THE BEST move when Speed and Audacity are your primary weapons.
The First Rule of Engagement is: Mission Success.
Even if it means you dont come home.
Semper Fi
Walls easily blown from exterior with added advantage of taking out defenders. Other chopper landed outside. This was a walled compound. Designed for a single chopper landing. Maybe OBL wasn’t noticed because he was not there.
Considering all the circumstances that is what’s most likely.
” President Barack Obama’s triumphal announcement that Osama bin Laden was dead, the White House was grappling with a serious credibility problem: Questions and contradictions are mounting about the how and why US elite SEALs killed the most wanted man in the world at his mansion in Abbottabad, Pakistan on May 2. New information proving the first stories wrong comes not just from a defensive Pakistan government but also from US officials.
Dismissing the conflicting disclosures as “artificial stories” and “conspiracy theories” won’t wash – not just in the US but in Arab and Muslim countries after Washington was forced to retract data the president’s adviser on terrorism John Brennan put before the media on Tuesday. It was admitted tardily that bin Laden was not armed when he was killed, there was no firefight in the Abbottabad villa and his wife was not used as a human shield.
Pakistani sources challenged other parts of the original narrative and Wednesday, May 4, the dead terrorist’s daughter told Al Arabiya TV most damagingly that her father was captured alive and then shot by US forces.
Pakistani sources challenged other parts of the original narrative and Wednesday, May 4, the dead terrorist’s daughter told Al Arabiya TV most damagingly that her father was captured alive and then shot by US forces.”
http://debka.com/article/20902/
Are you serious?
Why bother blowing up a (pretty frigging thick) masonry wall, when you can simply go over and inside, WITHOUT blowing it up?
Hint: The risk of small arms or RPG fire is unavoidable. Once they hear the chopper, youre gonna immediately take fire, or you AINT. Its a RISK of the operation you cannot change.
Wasting MORE TIME “on station” blowing walls you dont NEED TO blow, gains you ZERO. It just gives them more time to gather their senses and prepare a response. Being “in their faces” as FAST as possible is the most effective way to carry this off.
The other chopper landed outside?…”gee, with a face-full of shooters in my front lawn and hallways, I’m a little preoccupied to do much about it”.
Once we’re DONE and all potential combatents have been QUICKLY neutralized, we can leave by the front door….
Speed, surprise, audacacity.
Get in, FAST.
Kill Bin Laden
Get out IF you can
A fairly “conventional” Special Ops mission, nothing confusing or mysterious about it.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2010/MFC_083010_LMsNewMultiPurposeHELLFIREII.html
…. Talk of a birth certificate is well off the radar ….
So is November 6 2012.
But both will be be in range soon enough.
The timing, for Obama, could not have been more fortuitous. When his birth certificate rises to the level of national discourse he decides to release a previously unreleased form right before the National Press Club dinner. There he gets the opportunity to publicly ridicule his strongest Republican opponent, Donald Trump, at a venue where Trump can not respond. On the very issue Trump was most identified with. Surrounded by the National Press who would chuckle and chortle at the very thought that an American MUST present his or her birth certificate before holding the highest office in the land. Then the great ” get out of jail card “, bringing OBL to justice.
Where? In a town that would be a specific target for every intelligence agency in the world. A town populated by former, current and potential first line officers of the military elite of Pakistan. A town that is home to Pakistan’s, ” West Point “. In a compound that was under increased scrutiny by the general population due to it’s uniqueness. A compound designed to act as a jail, with a walled in copter landing pad.
Pakistan is up for $3 billion in US aid this year. That kind of money makes a little temporary political embarrassment
palatable for some in Pakistan. Who knows- maybe a lot of that money will wind up in Abbottabad.
Political correctness gone worldwide.
Killing Obama with both, moral justice on your side and geo-political self-interest, was too much for an administration that is always justifying its national interest to foreign powers. Its ambivalence is a sign of weakness even in the midst of a sign of strength.
It is so applicable to what is happening to the conservatives in America. They are always justifying the interest of their success to the petty particular interest of their factions. This is the warning that the piece “The Friend of my Enemy is a Better Friend Than the Friend of my Friend”, at http://www.robbingamerica.com
Enemies do play us for fools, and some of those enemies are Americans.
And there are 2 levels of fools – 1) those who think they can manipulate reality and public thought by manipulating information and words, and obviously 2) those who believe whatever they are told without questioning or looking further.
Brand 1 fools think they can ride the wave to personal benefit, or to benefit some cause or ideology. The most offensive are those who think they are telling us lies for our own good.
The biggest fool is the one who believes his own lies, and so is sure everyone else will believe the same lies.
Frank, you have peeled back one layer of the onion…and it has touched a nerve within me.
I came to loathe the practice of law because of the very same “core rotten” issue that is at the root of your essay here.
I have a sadness for this land of ours that will not go away because of the very same “core rotten” issue that is at the root of your essay today.
Frank, what weaves through each of the three scenarios is this:
The politics trumps justice, the politics trumps honor, the politics trumps fairness, the politics trumps truth, the politics trumps loyalty, the politics trumps common sense, the politics trumps human decency, the politics trumps reason, the politics trumps equity, the politics trumps all that American jurisprudence stands for and against (on paper). the politics trumps national security, the politics trumps the security of our very borders, the politics trumps the sanctity and safety and security of our polling booths, the politics trumps the way we tax ourselves, the politics trumps the way information is delivered to our countrymen…often in distorted and outright lies of omission and commission.
In summary, when the courts are crooked, the truth is a trifling thing, when honor means nothing…when the very system designed to protect us is so filled with corruption that it functions only by and through that corruption…it ceases to serve and can only be served.
When the leftists seized all three branches of government (having one of those branches hardly slows them down a fraction…they laugh off and circumvent any “interference”), when the own the propaganda machine that are our mass communication outlets, when they dominate all the “pop culture” weigh stations…we were under open attack, with a duplicity and duality that we had never seen previously. To give off appearance of being “pro America”…while barely hiding the open disdain and antipathy for her protections, openly slandering her past, and the vast majority of her people…gives oxygen and light as to how and why our foreign policy and much of our domestic policy lines up so neatly with this behavioral pattern.
Our Department of Justice refuses to prosecute cases on the basis of race, is involved in running guns and stalling investigations into each. We sue our own states for trying to protect the very borders that gun running kills our men in uniform protecting. We get turned over to the UN, we bow to foreign leaders and rip our own reputation to shreds.
How can we blame a Pakistan for playing us for fools…when we daily don the jester’s motley and dance on our own principles in order to play for cheap applause for all the world?
We can’t.
And therein lies the root of all of it. The entire system is so corrupt it cannot serve the people. It can only be served. And THAT is leading us straight to the depths of hell.
You say the Pakistanis fooled us?
You actually believe the #1MW was holed up for years in Abbottabad?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703304576299320454078378.html
OUCH!
And every word so true, I’m tempted to say “I hate you” for reminding me how bad things really are.
I share your dismay cf. I’m sure this is meaningless to most but I’ve come to the personal conclusion that I would not put on this country’s uniform again. My parents escaped from totalitarian communism when I was an infant and in partial re-payment to the country that took us in I served in the Infantry for years, watching the bastards on the other side of the East German border. All the while not realizing that the same kind of totalitarian bastards were sneaking into all of our institutions back home, undermining us from within. To watch us head down that path, with hardly a care or a thought by my fellow citizens devastates me. And makes me think this country, and its people, are no longer worth sacrificing for, not worth fighting for. I know that’s a selfish thought and I’m embarrassed for feeling this way. I’ve always hated sunshine patriots and fear being perceived as one. But I’ve watched the left for too many years and I’ve watched my countrymen yawn and accuse anyone trying to wake them up of being paranoid and I am fed up and tired. I’m tired of fighting for things that any sentient human being should be supportive of and appreciative of. Of the bounty and the benevolence of this country, unique in all of history. I hope I recover from this funk but I don’t know. I just don’t know.
I know how you feel.
Hard looking you 5 year old son in the eye and realize that special “automatic” kind of patriotism you got from YOUR dad will never be known to him.
I keep my strength (for now) with the idea that America, as its SUPPOSED TO BE, is worth everything…
The assholes traitors (democrats, liberals, Teachers Unions, politicians, lawyers)just need to be shot, thats all
Hopefully with O-boy and the California Witch further castrated in the next election, we wont need to do that.
But I aint putting away the re-loading dies just yet
Shot?
The whole can thing can be changed, if we start to believe that ISI/Paksitani army is the same as Taliban/Alqaida. They are the same organistaions just have different names to acquire monies from the west. The west is too obstinate and too dumb to learn and accept. The sooner we adopt this policy the sooner the billion/trillion dollar war can be won.
Never forget that it was Reagan who armed the Taliban and bin Laden to the teeth, hosted them at the White House and remarked that they were freedom fighters in the same vein as our founding fathers.
America, Israel, and the Free World have been betrayed by both Republican and Democrat governments.
Palestinian Authority/PLO Leader Abbas financed the slaughter of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games. He is financed and treated with great respect by international ruling elites. Why is he not in jail?
America finances, arms and gives constant advanced military training to the Muslim terrorist Palestinian Authority security forces.
One of the U.S. trained Muslim terrorists told journalist Aaron Klein, that all of the U.S. military training is used against Israel. They are America’s proxy army against the Jewish people.
How many of the U.S. trained terrorists are now in America? The training the terrorists received will surely be used against Americans.
@ Truth Time…at the “time” it was “true”. The Taliban were local militia that were allied against a “Foreign” aggressor (Soviet Union) becaus eit got them closer to a wram water seaport and closer to their qauasi ally Iran. It was when the Taliban, as despicable as we always found them, took the step of offering up land and material to facilitate the training of Al-Queda elements that attacked us on 9-11 that our attitude changed on the enemey of my enemy thing!
India’s Hindus have been complaining for years that Pakistan played a double game.
Obama: “My Muslim Faith” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
In the Judeo-Christian nation that is America, President Obama is unable to hide his rabid hate for G-D, the Bible, Judaism and Christianity:
Obama Mocks & Attacks Jesus Christ And The Bible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-V_ilJu0w&NR=1
The deliberate and rapid Islamization of the United States is a much greater threat than Osama Bin Laden ever was. Radical Muslims have infiltrated into high positions in the administration.
It is extremely frightening that President Obama appointed Muslim Brotherhood operatives to key positions in the government.
THE ENEMY IS WITHIN THE GATES
Report–Obama quietly appoints Muslim Brotherhood to key posts
February 15th, 2011
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/report-obama-quietly-appoints-muslim-brotherhood-to-key-posts
The only conclusion one can come to is that the goals of the Muslim Brotherhood are shared by the American government. The complete annihilation of civilization and Muslim conquest.
The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is global Islamic conquest. And subjugation of all nations under extremely cruel Islamic sharia law where women are treated as inferior and defenseless non-Muslims have no human rights.
From the document of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America:
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” and all the word means. The
Ikhwan [Arabic for brothers] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad to eliminate and destroy the Western civilization from within, and sabotage its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers, so that it is eliminated, and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.
It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny…”
DESPERATE OBAMA ORDERS KILLING OF BIN LADEN
Sometimes desperate men do desperate things to save themselves from failure and defeat. And such a man is Barack Hussein Obama. Indeed, our blundering, ill-starred, failing president faced with a faultering economy, rising deficits, a weakening dollar and turmoil in the Middle East ordered the death of Osama bin Laden as a desperate measure to save his disastrous presidency. That is the truth. Patriotism, national security, the common good had little or nothing to do with Obama’s “gutsy” move. For Obama is too political, too partisan, to un-American and narcissistic for that. What Obama did on the historic night of May 1st he did mostly for himself-for his political fortunes and legacy. Did he have the tragedy of 9/11 in mind, and the deaths of 3000 Americans? No! Not the man who backed the Islamist mosque at Ground Zero; not the man who sat in a racist church for 20 years listening to the lunatic ravings of an American hating preacher who saw in 9/11 the avenging hand of God. Not the power grabbing, big government statist who hates this unjust, capitalist country to such an inordinate degree that he wants to “fundamentally and foundationally” transform it. What Obama did on May 1st was not for me and you, but for he.
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Um, we lie about the Pakies not being involved in the hit. The Pakies lie about not setting up a safe house for bin Laden. We lie about torture not working, but everybody does it and those in the know knows it works. Curiously, we’re no longer taking prisoners to interrogate to gather more valuable intelligence cheerfully volunteered in the absence of torture. Seems like everyone is doing a lot of self-deception and practicing bad faith. I guess we’re going to continue to buy “tortured” intelligence from the Pakies and other serious players and hope for the best. Ah, there’s nothing like leading from behind with a good conscience.
Speaking of double-dealing, our own politicians are just as guilty. Many of them voted to go into Iraq and Afghanistan and promtly jumped aboard the “WMD’s” bandwagon along with myriad others (renditions, tribunals, Gitmo, and on and on and on..), only to support these very same things once our president had a “D” next to his name. This conditional support for our troops is as despicable as Pakistan’s double-dealing, even more so because Pakistan is acting in what they perceive to be their country’s best interest, whereas American Democrats have acted, since shortly after 9/11, in what they perceive to be American Democrats’ best interest. Truly despicable and, in my opinion, criminal.
I must confess my first reaction to the news OBL had been killed was stunned disbelief that O would have ever agreed to being associated with it at all, much less to its being done on his watch and by his command. I even thought perhaps somehow “events [were] in the saddle” had a “ridden” him in this case. So I have absolutely no trouble believing things may not have occurred the way initial reports led the world to believe. Of course, that’s based on the biased view I have of him as a person with no absolutes, who’s strictly “situational,” and whose inconsistent-to-the-point-of-incoherent “moves” can only be rationalized by measuring how much they conform to his highest “values,” i.e., power and self-aggrandizement. His odd facial expression and body language pictured here would certainly seem to fit the idea that he was forced into this decision or even that it was taken out of his hands entirely. I could certainly be wrong, but I do think the last thing he looks like is a decisive, triumphant CIC on the brink of achieving a long-sought goal. If these suspicions prove to have been the truth, I can only think of an episode from “The Honeymooners” where Art Carney “outs” Jackie Gleason about how he really won a rhumba contest–by backing into a hot radiator. It pains me to be disrespectful to the office with this trivial, comic allusion, but IMO this man is and always has been utterly lacking in even a modicum of the “authority of personality” that characterizes any real leader.
Sorry for the off-topic comment above! Meant to post it to Stephen Green’s piece, “The Gang That Could Shoot Straight–but Not Much Else.”
Making sure that your house remains undivided is a process that involves several steps. First, you have to make sure that no ‘divisive’ people enter your ‘house’ (i.e., no Mohammedan students, tourists, or immigrants). Second, you have to eliminate resident ‘divisive’ people from your ‘house’ (i.e., all who are supporting Mohammedans or, what is objectively the same thing, attempting to interfere with US war efforts) must be made, shall we say, to not be here. Of course, the reasonable way for Lincoln to assure that the US house remained undivided was to allow the Southern States to secede in peace. Military defeat and occupation did not mean that the US was undivided; it meant that one side of the division was powerless.
In the past many western conservatives looked at the Muslims as the conservative force against the leftists.So America was on the Pakistani side against India supported by Soviet communists.Many Europeans including some clericals support Palestinians as the conservatives against Israel.Israeli themselves staked on Islamists against Arab nationalists.The understanding of Islam menace is painful for the western elites and masses.
This is the long war. There is much more going on then some podunk country where a buck fifty can get you some hash and a goat for the evening.
I do not believe that anyone is so naive as to believe that the money we are sending Pakistan is going to build schools, provide clean drinking water or vaccinating the population against diseases. We know the money is going into pockets and, sometimes, going back out. We know they are double agents. It’s the same game we played for five decades with USSR, et al. We get info, we feed some in. Some of it is correct and some of it is false. We watch which way the cockroaches run to see where they are going and coming from. It’s been that way for a long time. We just had to gear back up and the cost (in actual money and blood) is much higher now (inflation).
This is a proxy war just like the war that we waged throughout the Cold War. The players are bigger than Pakistan. Those players have nuclear weapons or are desperately trying to. Like all wars, this is about land and resources. Without land with defined borders, a nation does not exist. Without resources to fuel it’s economy and pay for a good defense, a nation will not survive long.
We are fighting a proxy war in order to maintain those resources against the encroachment or control of other nations who we cannot attack directly without causing another major World War, this time w/nukes. Nations (a nation?) who do not sell the oil they drill in these countries on the open market, but eat it directly. The stakes seem much higher this time around. The nuclear Armageddon clock keeps moving forward. this time, however, no one wants to point a direct finger at anyone and say “evil” or “enemy”, so we play the long game where we buy a moment’s loyalty and another minute in the game while staying quiet.
When Bush ’43 said this was a generational war, he was not kidding.
Obama’s danger is that he is like those Liberals/Democrats/Quasi Communists who insisted during the Cold War that it was unwinnable, that we should surrender with grace and become economic partners with the USSR to avoid our total demise. He is suggesting that we should bow down to the superior power and organization of China, their by-blows (see SOC, NK, nuclear proliferation, etc) and proxies (Iran, Pakistan, etc).
The reasons for his belief are many, but the idea that the US should just go quietly into that dark night is the most egregious, horrifying idea that any president could possibly entertain.
Screw that. I do wish that somebody would appear with an ounce of common sense and a clue so that we can set the proper national security doctrine.
Ever hear of “talk softly and carry a big stick?” So many people here are put off by meaningless stuff like Obama bowing to Prince whoever-he-was that they can’t see the quick killing of the pirates, the drone strikes, and this operation.
We are sending money to Pakistan and they are corrupt, self-serving, and double dealing? I am shocked.
Grow up.