Comments on: Daddy Nobucks: When Involuntary Fathers Are Forced to Foot The Bill http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:12:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Uno Hu http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-482017 Uno Hu Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:46:02 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-482017 Regarding the controversy of whether it takes one or two to make a baby-- I will grant you that under most circumstances it takes two to establish a pregnancy (with a few exceptions of purloined or misappropriated sperm). However, the courts tend to adhere to a standard of "strict liablity" as regards spreading your little swimmers around. But don't let anyone pettyfog the idea that it takes two to make a baby - whether the pregnancy results in a baby or does not result in a baby is SOLELY THE DECISION OF ONE, the mother, who can abort despite the father's wishes or refuse to abort despite the boyfriend's pleadings. Between the Scylla of strict liability for sperm and the Charybdis of current family law ripping men out of families they married for and planned for, and the constantly increasing tendency of the government to encroach upon family prerogatives on raising children even in intact families, I can't see whey any male over twenty-five would still have an intact vas deferens. Once the little swimmers are bottled up - no problem. Uh . . . no problem that is, except in the case of Tom P. above. Whatever happened to notion of civil disobedience and telling the judge (literally) to cram it when/if ordered to pay child support for a child that's not yours. Yeah, I know you'll get locked up for that. But freedom isn't free, never has been. I'd choose to become an expense to the state in addition to the lost taxes from my no longer earning income rather than participate in their extortion scheme. Millions for defense - not a penny for tribute!! Regarding the controversy of whether it takes one or two to make a baby–

I will grant you that under most circumstances it takes two to establish a pregnancy (with a few exceptions of purloined or misappropriated sperm). However, the courts tend to adhere to a standard of “strict liablity” as regards spreading your little swimmers around. But don’t let anyone pettyfog the idea that it takes two to make a baby – whether the pregnancy results in a baby or does not result in a baby is SOLELY THE DECISION OF ONE, the mother, who can abort despite the father’s wishes or refuse to abort despite the boyfriend’s pleadings.

Between the Scylla of strict liability for sperm and the Charybdis of current family law ripping men out of families they married for and planned for, and the constantly increasing tendency of the government to encroach upon family prerogatives on raising children even in intact families, I can’t see whey any male over twenty-five would still have an intact vas deferens. Once the little swimmers are bottled up – no problem.

Uh . . . no problem that is, except in the case of Tom P. above. Whatever happened to notion of civil disobedience and telling the judge (literally) to cram it when/if ordered to pay child support for a child that’s not yours. Yeah, I know you’ll get locked up for that. But freedom isn’t free, never has been. I’d choose to become an expense to the state in addition to the lost taxes from my no longer earning income rather than participate in their extortion scheme.

Millions for defense – not a penny for tribute!!

]]> By: Colin Timberlake http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-190072 Colin Timberlake Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:35:56 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-190072 Interesting post. Definitely a complicated issue... Interesting post. Definitely a complicated issue…

]]> By: Anonymous http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-153975 Anonymous Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:18:46 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-153975 Child support is and has always been a scam to cheat men out of their money and create a legal way for women to extort it from them and continue to receive a free ride through life. As a woman, I feel only contempt for other women who choose not to stand on their own two feet and suck up their philandering ways. A woman physically is the baby making machine, therefore it is her sole responsibility to raise and pay for the little monster she spits out. Child support is and has always been a scam to cheat men out of their money and create a legal way for women to extort it from them and continue to receive a free ride through life. As a woman, I feel only contempt for other women who choose not to stand on their own two feet and suck up their philandering ways. A woman physically is the baby making machine, therefore it is her sole responsibility to raise and pay for the little monster she spits out.

]]> By: Daddy Nobucks: When Involuntary Fathers Are Forced to Foot The Bill - antimisandry.com http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-116601 Daddy Nobucks: When Involuntary Fathers Are Forced to Foot The Bill - antimisandry.com Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:42:36 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-116601 [...] Goddess, [...] Goddess,

]]> By: cam http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-62919 cam Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:07:18 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-62919 It take two to make a child it should take two to rise The child. This is so far from the truth. As many fathers can't get custoy. Even when their fit, willing and able. It's not 50/50. The woman could have 5 kids with 5 diffrent fathers and still have all power to their up bringing. What a shame! It take two to make a child it should take two to rise
The child. This is so far from the truth. As many fathers can’t get custoy. Even when their fit, willing and able. It’s not 50/50. The woman could have 5 kids with 5 diffrent fathers and still have all power to their up bringing. What a shame!

]]> By: LJC http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-38755 LJC Sun, 11 May 2008 11:33:25 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-38755 This is a tough topic because I am in somewhat of a similar situation. I recently had gotten off of the depo provera shot (which I have been on for a number of years) and was told that I would be sterile for a year. It just so happened that four months after getting off of the shot I ended up pregnant. We have discussed this and I actually thought that I was okay because I would be sterile (well supposed to be). With this issue I agree with Melissa. I do not believe in abortions at all unless it is required by the doctor to do so. Now if the man does decide to eventually to do for the child financially or be in the child's lifr then that is when you can do the things that you need to make it happen. If the man feels that he doesn't want to have anything to do with the child financially or physically then I feel that I you can not force it upon that man. It takes to, but it takes one to be the smart one in the situation. I am not making him obligated to do anything for my child if he does not want to do anything for it, and I will not be upset with him for his decicision either. This was an actual mistake on my behalf for actually believing that I was sterile after getting off of the shot. This is a tough topic because I am in somewhat of a similar situation. I recently had gotten off of the depo provera shot (which I have been on for a number of years) and was told that I would be sterile for a year. It just so happened that four months after getting off of the shot I ended up pregnant. We have discussed this and I actually thought that I was okay because I would be sterile (well supposed to be). With this issue I agree with Melissa. I do not believe in abortions at all unless it is required by the doctor to do so. Now if the man does decide to eventually to do for the child financially or be in the child’s lifr then that is when you can do the things that you need to make it happen. If the man feels that he doesn’t want to have anything to do with the child financially or physically then I feel that I you can not force it upon that man. It takes to, but it takes one to be the smart one in the situation. I am not making him obligated to do anything for my child if he does not want to do anything for it, and I will not be upset with him for his decicision either. This was an actual mistake on my behalf for actually believing that I was sterile after getting off of the shot.

]]> By: Melissa http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-32112 Melissa Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:07:56 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-32112 All u people say that a man is responsible no matter what because they didn't use a condom. What about if the man thought she wasn't going to get pregnant because she said she was on birth control? I'm sorry for all u against me, but if a woman lies in order to get pregnant, then no the man shouldn't be financially liable to that child. She wanted it so deal with it. Our system is so screwed up that it does not matter what a woman says or does, men have no say in it. If they are the father, they are going to have to pay. How is it fair to try and bring a father into the life of a child after 8 years because that's what the woman wanted? That will take a toll on that child years down the road. To all women, think before u decide to lie about birth control. It's not just ur own lives ur screwing up. All u people say that a man is responsible no matter what because they didn’t use a condom. What about if the man thought she wasn’t going to get pregnant because she said she was on birth control? I’m sorry for all u against me, but if a woman lies in order to get pregnant, then no the man shouldn’t be financially liable to that child. She wanted it so deal with it. Our system is so screwed up that it does not matter what a woman says or does, men have no say in it. If they are the father, they are going to have to pay. How is it fair to try and bring a father into the life of a child after 8 years because that’s what the woman wanted? That will take a toll on that child years down the road. To all women, think before u decide to lie about birth control. It’s not just ur own lives ur screwing up.

]]> By: masterWindu http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-16643 masterWindu Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:54:11 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-16643 So let me get this straight. It is the women right to choose if the man will be the fater or just sperm donor, but somehow, resposiblity for an action that is totally hers is shared by someone that has no input into the decision!!! As far as I am concern, if there was not intention what so ever, its no different than the woman going to the clinic and getting impragnated. I can see that many posters believes what I heard many times but would have been too affraid to say in most circles. Men always pay for it. If the man does not want to concequence of her choice too bad, you had sex, so you pay, next time go on the street where the price are cheeper. And yes, it is her choice, pregnancy does not imply birth any more, (about 20 to 25% of pregnacies are aborted). So let me get this straight. It is the women right to choose if the man will be the fater or just sperm donor, but somehow, resposiblity for an action that is totally hers is shared by someone that has no input into the decision!!! As far as I am concern, if there was not intention what so ever, its no different than the woman going to the clinic and getting impragnated. I can see that many posters believes what I heard many times but would have been too affraid to say in most circles. Men always pay for it. If the man does not want to concequence of her choice too bad, you had sex, so you pay, next time go on the street where the price are cheeper. And yes, it is her choice, pregnancy does not imply birth any more, (about 20 to 25% of pregnacies are aborted).

]]> By: masterwindu http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-16642 masterwindu Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:35:11 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-16642 My Body. My Choice. OUR SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. Who wants it both way. My Body.
My Choice.
OUR SHARED RESPONSIBILITY.

Who wants it both way.

]]> By: Crystal Therese http://pjmedia.com/blog/daddy_nobucks/#comment-16641 Crystal Therese Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:24:15 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/daddy-nobucks-when-involuntary-fathers-are-forced-to-foot-the-bill/#comment-16641 Looking Glass- "Simple, cheap, and everyone's happy?" Oh yes, because having an abortion is soooooo easy. *eye roll* Please! Even if a woman decides to have an abortion, she has to deal with the monetary cost (unless the guy chips in), the physcial pain- oh, and she also has to live with that decision for the rest of her life! Same goes for adoption. Of course most men would not understand that. It's all so easy for them to just make their "deposit" and run. Rosignol- The people you know. Now there are some scientifically gathered numbers. In fact the original article has no data on how often this happens. Why? Because it doesn't happen that often. But OMG we better have some legislation to protect the wallets of the stupid!!! This whole discussion is so reminiscent of the Reagan era, when they tried to do away with welfare by painting all women on welfare as lazy,money-grabbing "welfare queens" and conveniently overlooking that the mojority of people on welfare are not like that. Salted Slug said "The statement that "chivalry is dead, and women killed it" is rather old. I wonder what's being killed now?" hehe... Right now? My desire to ever get involved with another man so long as I live. Looking Glass- “Simple, cheap, and everyone’s happy?” Oh yes, because having an abortion is soooooo easy. *eye roll* Please! Even if a woman decides to have an abortion, she has to deal with the monetary cost (unless the guy chips in), the physcial pain- oh, and she also has to live with that decision for the rest of her life! Same goes for adoption. Of course most men would not understand that. It’s all so easy for them to just make their “deposit” and run.

Rosignol- The people you know. Now there are some scientifically gathered numbers.

In fact the original article has no data on how often this happens. Why? Because it doesn’t happen that often. But OMG we better have some legislation to protect the wallets of the stupid!!!

This whole discussion is so reminiscent of the Reagan era, when they tried to do away with welfare by painting all women on welfare as lazy,money-grabbing “welfare queens” and conveniently overlooking that the mojority of people on welfare are not like that.

Salted Slug said “The statement that “chivalry is dead, and women killed it” is rather old. I wonder what’s being killed now?”

hehe… Right now? My desire to ever get involved with another man so long as I live.

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