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		<title>By: BizzyBlog</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-462231</link>
		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] worse and still deteriorating employment and housing situations, one would think that to the extent the homeless problem is truly serious, it has almost certainly gotten worse overall, and definitely so in certain parts of the country. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] worse and still deteriorating employment and housing situations, one would think that to the extent the homeless problem is truly serious, it has almost certainly gotten worse overall, and definitely so in certain parts of the country. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; Couldn&#8217;t Help But Comment (080608, Morning)</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-88192</link>
		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; Couldn&#8217;t Help But Comment (080608, Morning)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up on my July BizzyBlog/Pajamas Media column on the chronic overestimation of the number of homeless in the US &#8212; Warren Todd Huston [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up on my July BizzyBlog/Pajamas Media column on the chronic overestimation of the number of homeless in the US &#8212; Warren Todd Huston [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-84210</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poverty industry knows how to get funding very effectively. For instance, The city of North Vancouver decided to count the homeless in our suburb next to Vancouver. Population about 95,000 with 2,165 so-called homeless. Over a &quot;9 month period with 34 social agencies tabulating to find 2,200&quot;!! (any repeats in 9 months?) Now the real kicker is this. I asked the city council how the assessment is done. Turns out Canada (US too??) uses the United Nations definition of homelessness. Living rough on the street or in a shelter, living on a friend or relatives couch and even the the temporary sleeping in a car or van. How did North Van&#039;s homeless numbers turn out?
Rough 570
couch 1021
car/van 574 (remember over a 9 months period)
Now remember I&#039;m talking Canada....we use the enlightened United Nations definitions to decide our homeless numbers. It is insane. And real problems like Vancouver&#039;s 15,000 heroin and crack addicts get shelter and free needles while there are only 34 YES 34 detox beds in the whole socialist mind numbed city. Guess it makes the bedwetters of the apocalypse feel good. Don&#039;t be hoodwinked my US friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poverty industry knows how to get funding very effectively. For instance, The city of North Vancouver decided to count the homeless in our suburb next to Vancouver. Population about 95,000 with 2,165 so-called homeless. Over a &#8220;9 month period with 34 social agencies tabulating to find 2,200&#8243;!! (any repeats in 9 months?) Now the real kicker is this. I asked the city council how the assessment is done. Turns out Canada (US too??) uses the United Nations definition of homelessness. Living rough on the street or in a shelter, living on a friend or relatives couch and even the the temporary sleeping in a car or van. How did North Van&#8217;s homeless numbers turn out?<br />
Rough 570<br />
couch 1021<br />
car/van 574 (remember over a 9 months period)<br />
Now remember I&#8217;m talking Canada&#8230;.we use the enlightened United Nations definitions to decide our homeless numbers. It is insane. And real problems like Vancouver&#8217;s 15,000 heroin and crack addicts get shelter and free needles while there are only 34 YES 34 detox beds in the whole socialist mind numbed city. Guess it makes the bedwetters of the apocalypse feel good. Don&#8217;t be hoodwinked my US friends.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZMike</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-83599</link>
		<dc:creator>ZZMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t they thinking of putting in &quot;homeless parking meters&quot; not too long ago?

Their Sanctuary City progam isn&#039;t exactly a stellar performer, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t they thinking of putting in &#8220;homeless parking meters&#8221; not too long ago?</p>
<p>Their Sanctuary City progam isn&#8217;t exactly a stellar performer, either.</p>
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		<title>By: JDubya</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-83190</link>
		<dc:creator>JDubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. A ton of money squandered by the guilt ridden fools, gutless to demand these people actually to work. I agree with other responses above about insanity and drug addiction. The former were kept in asylums and/or given strict drug assistance (which helped many), but this was torn aside by the guilt ridden fools who stated that these people should have the right to manage their own lives.  As for the drug addicted, no one forced them to do it, some probably tried to help and gave up, and in the end, it is the individuals responsibility.

None of these people should be given money or a shelter at tax payers expense. Those who are in need of psychological assistance should get it, but in an asylum, where proper care and assistance will be put to good.

Giving handouts is another stupid social engineering attempt, gone awry (surprised?) due to stupidity on the governments watch with people who probably are not experts in the matter AND are not in the business to watch the budget. 

If it truly is societies goal to end this problem, more measures are required to insure the right people are at them helm AND that the budgets applied should SHRINK every year. If we are to rid this issue, the goal should be to remove people from this situation, reform those with a chance and SHRINK the pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. A ton of money squandered by the guilt ridden fools, gutless to demand these people actually to work. I agree with other responses above about insanity and drug addiction. The former were kept in asylums and/or given strict drug assistance (which helped many), but this was torn aside by the guilt ridden fools who stated that these people should have the right to manage their own lives.  As for the drug addicted, no one forced them to do it, some probably tried to help and gave up, and in the end, it is the individuals responsibility.</p>
<p>None of these people should be given money or a shelter at tax payers expense. Those who are in need of psychological assistance should get it, but in an asylum, where proper care and assistance will be put to good.</p>
<p>Giving handouts is another stupid social engineering attempt, gone awry (surprised?) due to stupidity on the governments watch with people who probably are not experts in the matter AND are not in the business to watch the budget. </p>
<p>If it truly is societies goal to end this problem, more measures are required to insure the right people are at them helm AND that the budgets applied should SHRINK every year. If we are to rid this issue, the goal should be to remove people from this situation, reform those with a chance and SHRINK the pool.</p>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; SF Report Unmasks Overhyped Nationwide Homeless Numbers</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-82608</link>
		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; SF Report Unmasks Overhyped Nationwide Homeless Numbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This originally appeared here at Pajamas Media on Thursday [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This originally appeared here at Pajamas Media on Thursday [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra M</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-82144</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike many politicians and bloviators on the subject of homelessness, I actually have met and spoken to (at length) a homeless couple. 

They were homeless because unlike most people their first priority wasn&#039;t shelter, it was alcohol in one case and drugs in the other.

Seldom have I met people so skilled in getting money and help from others. In the time I knew them the alcoholic managed to get a desk top Macintosh from a social service agency and then later a Powerbook like mine, which he gushed would give us something else in common. And his wardrobe included a Ralph Lauren denim jacket.

What I noticed is that people like this are a bottomless pit of need. They buy at 7/11 which is more expensive than a supermarket. They lose their glasses, and whatever you give them: blankets, duffle bags They always need MORE! Especially more MONEY!

Where did this couple sleep? Under a bridge. 

The young man was not dumb, but alcohol had so completely destroyed his memory that he had to write every instruction down or he&#039;d forget it.

His upper-middle class family wanted nothing to do with him after decades of being lied to and being taken advantage of.

I know that at the beginning of the month, such  people in San Francisco  are given a stipend of $400 or more. They usually go on an alcohol or drug binge with the money. Better to give them no more than  a few dollars for incidentals at a time.

Money would be better spent on soup kitchens and nutritional supplements (B vitamins would make staying off alcohol easier).

Iince, I wouldn&#039;t wish a night in a homeless shelter on anyone, it makes sense to  remodel old hotels with bathing facilities and clean used clothes made available to them, and a switchboard that could take messages on jobs, with AA and Narcotics Anonymous meetings on site. 

 For the addicted and mentally disturbed, halfway houses where someone could make sure they take their meds    If they show that they are willing to give up alcohol or drugs then more services should be made available to them. 

The technology of pendants or bracelets that when pressed bring the paramedics to one&#039;s home should do away with another social atrocity: nursing homes. The only one I&#039;ve ever heard good things about was run by nuns. I&#039;m sure the elderly would much rather stay in their homes and have part-time attendants do their shopping and cleaning and sometimes cooking. Much cheaper than a nursing home where doctors frequently charge thousands of dollars for five minute visits. The agency involved:  the Department of Health and Human Services is doing a terrific job. Why not do as the private sector does and reward a great job with more responsibility such as the totally corrupt and incompetent Department of Housing and Urban Development? Would save the taxpayers huge amounts of money and would greatly help the elderly and disabled. And did you know that Barack Obama&#039;s housing for the poor project when he was a community organizer is falling apart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike many politicians and bloviators on the subject of homelessness, I actually have met and spoken to (at length) a homeless couple. </p>
<p>They were homeless because unlike most people their first priority wasn&#8217;t shelter, it was alcohol in one case and drugs in the other.</p>
<p>Seldom have I met people so skilled in getting money and help from others. In the time I knew them the alcoholic managed to get a desk top Macintosh from a social service agency and then later a Powerbook like mine, which he gushed would give us something else in common. And his wardrobe included a Ralph Lauren denim jacket.</p>
<p>What I noticed is that people like this are a bottomless pit of need. They buy at 7/11 which is more expensive than a supermarket. They lose their glasses, and whatever you give them: blankets, duffle bags They always need MORE! Especially more MONEY!</p>
<p>Where did this couple sleep? Under a bridge. </p>
<p>The young man was not dumb, but alcohol had so completely destroyed his memory that he had to write every instruction down or he&#8217;d forget it.</p>
<p>His upper-middle class family wanted nothing to do with him after decades of being lied to and being taken advantage of.</p>
<p>I know that at the beginning of the month, such  people in San Francisco  are given a stipend of $400 or more. They usually go on an alcohol or drug binge with the money. Better to give them no more than  a few dollars for incidentals at a time.</p>
<p>Money would be better spent on soup kitchens and nutritional supplements (B vitamins would make staying off alcohol easier).</p>
<p>Iince, I wouldn&#8217;t wish a night in a homeless shelter on anyone, it makes sense to  remodel old hotels with bathing facilities and clean used clothes made available to them, and a switchboard that could take messages on jobs, with AA and Narcotics Anonymous meetings on site. </p>
<p> For the addicted and mentally disturbed, halfway houses where someone could make sure they take their meds    If they show that they are willing to give up alcohol or drugs then more services should be made available to them. </p>
<p>The technology of pendants or bracelets that when pressed bring the paramedics to one&#8217;s home should do away with another social atrocity: nursing homes. The only one I&#8217;ve ever heard good things about was run by nuns. I&#8217;m sure the elderly would much rather stay in their homes and have part-time attendants do their shopping and cleaning and sometimes cooking. Much cheaper than a nursing home where doctors frequently charge thousands of dollars for five minute visits. The agency involved:  the Department of Health and Human Services is doing a terrific job. Why not do as the private sector does and reward a great job with more responsibility such as the totally corrupt and incompetent Department of Housing and Urban Development? Would save the taxpayers huge amounts of money and would greatly help the elderly and disabled. And did you know that Barack Obama&#8217;s housing for the poor project when he was a community organizer is falling apart?</p>
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		<title>By: Crass Børsting</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-81969</link>
		<dc:creator>Crass Børsting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same problem everywhere, it seems. 

In semi-socialist Denmark, some &quot;homeless&quot; people are actually building careers on belonging to this ill-defined group. Receiving welfare stipends while actually having places to live, often spacious subsidized apartments in the suburbs, selling their &quot;homeless magazine&quot; in the streets and, whenever possible, appearing in the media as the poor, wronged victims of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same problem everywhere, it seems. </p>
<p>In semi-socialist Denmark, some &#8220;homeless&#8221; people are actually building careers on belonging to this ill-defined group. Receiving welfare stipends while actually having places to live, often spacious subsidized apartments in the suburbs, selling their &#8220;homeless magazine&#8221; in the streets and, whenever possible, appearing in the media as the poor, wronged victims of society.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-81847</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read some time ago, during the Clinton administration, that cities left it up to the homeless advocates to provide the figures. This might have explained the jump in the number of homeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read some time ago, during the Clinton administration, that cities left it up to the homeless advocates to provide the figures. This might have explained the jump in the number of homeless.</p>
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		<title>By: SNZ</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/cooking-the-books-on-homelessness-stats/#comment-81697</link>
		<dc:creator>SNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you live in San Francisco, why care how that city wastes its taxes.  Thats the great thing about city and state taxes... If you don&#039;t agree with how your tax money is being spent, one can always move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you live in San Francisco, why care how that city wastes its taxes.  Thats the great thing about city and state taxes&#8230; If you don&#8217;t agree with how your tax money is being spent, one can always move.</p>
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