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		<title>By: Mejdrichstein</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-177431</link>
		<dc:creator>Mejdrichstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of thoughts on this particular subject. where do you want to start? entitlement ideologies, keeping the public in continual chaos by pulling in the different directions, keeping the pig happy as long as they can afford their high end cars and other materialistic possessions, over saturation of pornographic ideologies infiltrating every aspect of life. 

   There is no right or wrong. If you ask a question regarding something like marriage for homesexuals, you are deemed  a Hater. The Author of this article will agree with me that I am probably one of the biggest haters out there...     I actually pay attention to what is going on around me and can support my thinking with facts. My leftist friends are outraged at what is going on. I like this word Outraged, lets say it together Outraged... I laugh at this, because I have been talking about these issues of our government being out of control  and my concerns and those same people that are now outraged, were calling me a hater, a liar, a racist. I am by no means an overly intelligent person, but I do have common sense. I embrace life, I want to learn more every day, I believe debate is good and necessary for all societies. Hard work never hurt any one I am a firm believer in it. I also believe, that if you do not make one accountable for the consequences of the decisions that they make, then they will continue to make them. Unfortunately that is what Washington has done with these government bailouts of the financial and auto industries. 

What else can I say.......  Good luck and prosper my friends and Happy New year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of thoughts on this particular subject. where do you want to start? entitlement ideologies, keeping the public in continual chaos by pulling in the different directions, keeping the pig happy as long as they can afford their high end cars and other materialistic possessions, over saturation of pornographic ideologies infiltrating every aspect of life. </p>
<p>   There is no right or wrong. If you ask a question regarding something like marriage for homesexuals, you are deemed  a Hater. The Author of this article will agree with me that I am probably one of the biggest haters out there&#8230;     I actually pay attention to what is going on around me and can support my thinking with facts. My leftist friends are outraged at what is going on. I like this word Outraged, lets say it together Outraged&#8230; I laugh at this, because I have been talking about these issues of our government being out of control  and my concerns and those same people that are now outraged, were calling me a hater, a liar, a racist. I am by no means an overly intelligent person, but I do have common sense. I embrace life, I want to learn more every day, I believe debate is good and necessary for all societies. Hard work never hurt any one I am a firm believer in it. I also believe, that if you do not make one accountable for the consequences of the decisions that they make, then they will continue to make them. Unfortunately that is what Washington has done with these government bailouts of the financial and auto industries. </p>
<p>What else can I say&#8230;&#8230;.  Good luck and prosper my friends and Happy New year!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-174525</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Obama’s inauguration proves that packaging is effective and even if we disdain the messenger we can still profit from his example.” – I agree

“The right must not conduct guerrilla war from red state enclaves” – I disagree

Conservatives should learn from Obama’s example, and the tactics he used were straight out of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. 
-	Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have. 
-	Second: Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear, and retreat. 
-	Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat. 
-	The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity. 
-	The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man&#039;s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage. 
-	Sixth rule: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic. 
-	A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time, after which it becomes a ritualistic commitment. 
-	Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose. 
-	The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. 
-	The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. 
-	If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative. 
-	The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his suddenly agreeing with your demand and saying &quot;You&#039;re right - we don&#039;t know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us.&quot; 
-	Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. 

Understand these rules - knowing how the enemy attacks will give you the ability to defend against those attacks as well as knowing when, where and how to counter punch.

Also, your statement “Our proposals are rooted in reality as opposed to faith” is not on the mark. Liberal proposals are not rooted in faith but in fantasy and the illusion of a world without natural or divinely ordained moral consequences – and are therefore doomed to failure. This should be the very crux of conservative defense and counter attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Obama’s inauguration proves that packaging is effective and even if we disdain the messenger we can still profit from his example.” – I agree</p>
<p>“The right must not conduct guerrilla war from red state enclaves” – I disagree</p>
<p>Conservatives should learn from Obama’s example, and the tactics he used were straight out of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.<br />
-	Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.<br />
-	Second: Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear, and retreat.<br />
-	Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.<br />
-	The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.<br />
-	The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man&#8217;s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.<br />
-	Sixth rule: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.<br />
-	A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time, after which it becomes a ritualistic commitment.<br />
-	Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.<br />
-	The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.<br />
-	The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.<br />
-	If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative.<br />
-	The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his suddenly agreeing with your demand and saying &#8220;You&#8217;re right &#8211; we don&#8217;t know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us.&#8221;<br />
-	Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. </p>
<p>Understand these rules &#8211; knowing how the enemy attacks will give you the ability to defend against those attacks as well as knowing when, where and how to counter punch.</p>
<p>Also, your statement “Our proposals are rooted in reality as opposed to faith” is not on the mark. Liberal proposals are not rooted in faith but in fantasy and the illusion of a world without natural or divinely ordained moral consequences – and are therefore doomed to failure. This should be the very crux of conservative defense and counter attack.</p>
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		<title>By: JackT</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-174177</link>
		<dc:creator>JackT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you mean the Republicans had a basic message?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you mean the Republicans had a basic message?</p>
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		<title>By: Northern Light</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173838</link>
		<dc:creator>Northern Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42 Westguard says that Ron Paul was a liberal. Now I&#039;ve heard everything. 

I noticed that during the primaries Ron Paul was the ONLY conservative the GOP had.

Did anyone else ever learn that conservatives believe in smaller government? Is spending $750 billion a  year on the military small?

Conservatives are also supposed to believe in balanced budgets. Where were the conservatives in the GOP dominated senate, congress, and White House from 2001-2006? 

I couldn&#039;t have voted for Paul. Yes he&#039;s a conservative alright. His economic policies came from the 19th Century while his take on the constitution was strictly 18th Century. But when Republicans scream &quot;what we need is a conservative&quot; they really mean they want a deficit building government that spends massively on defense and enacts draconian legislation for common criminals while letting white collar criminals plunder everything in sight. Someone who tries to build popular support among the paranoid, the racist, and the very stupid. That&#039;s not conservatism, but it&#039;s what the GOP has been doing and if they don&#039;t stop they will become a regional party with support only in the Ozarks. 

Ron Paul is a nut, but he&#039;s the only conservative I saw in 2008. Find a sane conservative and maybe the Republicans can rebuild. Otherwise just let Sarah Palin run in 2012. She&#039;s great to look at and she&#039;ll probably hold Kentucky, Alaska, and Alabama.

It amazes me how terrible the post-defeat analysis has been. It wasn&#039;t the lack of a snappy slogan that defeated the GOP this time, it was the lack of any plan or policy, a terrible ticket at the top, and George W. Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42 Westguard says that Ron Paul was a liberal. Now I&#8217;ve heard everything. </p>
<p>I noticed that during the primaries Ron Paul was the ONLY conservative the GOP had.</p>
<p>Did anyone else ever learn that conservatives believe in smaller government? Is spending $750 billion a  year on the military small?</p>
<p>Conservatives are also supposed to believe in balanced budgets. Where were the conservatives in the GOP dominated senate, congress, and White House from 2001-2006? </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t have voted for Paul. Yes he&#8217;s a conservative alright. His economic policies came from the 19th Century while his take on the constitution was strictly 18th Century. But when Republicans scream &#8220;what we need is a conservative&#8221; they really mean they want a deficit building government that spends massively on defense and enacts draconian legislation for common criminals while letting white collar criminals plunder everything in sight. Someone who tries to build popular support among the paranoid, the racist, and the very stupid. That&#8217;s not conservatism, but it&#8217;s what the GOP has been doing and if they don&#8217;t stop they will become a regional party with support only in the Ozarks. </p>
<p>Ron Paul is a nut, but he&#8217;s the only conservative I saw in 2008. Find a sane conservative and maybe the Republicans can rebuild. Otherwise just let Sarah Palin run in 2012. She&#8217;s great to look at and she&#8217;ll probably hold Kentucky, Alaska, and Alabama.</p>
<p>It amazes me how terrible the post-defeat analysis has been. It wasn&#8217;t the lack of a snappy slogan that defeated the GOP this time, it was the lack of any plan or policy, a terrible ticket at the top, and George W. Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173787</link>
		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@48

Amphipolis,

You don&#039;t really believe that a minimum wage is harmful to your earning power.  That makes no sense.  In all three cases, the government has a proper role in safeguarding public welfare by crafting a minimal support system.  

Without a minimum wage, laborers are slaves to capital.  In a society with such massive concentration of wealth, it is needed.  A basic education is likewise needed for we the people to thrive - and you can opt for private education or home school if you prefer.  

A basic level of medical care is also recognized as needed in civilized countries, but most don&#039;t prevent private transactions - so you can get all the health care you can afford.  The &#039;left&#039; simply sees no reason that a country should give a trillion dollars to Wall St (where slaves were sold) and not spend equivalent sums on the basic needs of the people.  

Living without access to food or medical care is far too common here.  We are the home of the wealthiest people on Earth, but our poor are starving and dying in the street.  Why?

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@48</p>
<p>Amphipolis,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really believe that a minimum wage is harmful to your earning power.  That makes no sense.  In all three cases, the government has a proper role in safeguarding public welfare by crafting a minimal support system.  </p>
<p>Without a minimum wage, laborers are slaves to capital.  In a society with such massive concentration of wealth, it is needed.  A basic education is likewise needed for we the people to thrive &#8211; and you can opt for private education or home school if you prefer.  </p>
<p>A basic level of medical care is also recognized as needed in civilized countries, but most don&#8217;t prevent private transactions &#8211; so you can get all the health care you can afford.  The &#8216;left&#8217; simply sees no reason that a country should give a trillion dollars to Wall St (where slaves were sold) and not spend equivalent sums on the basic needs of the people.  </p>
<p>Living without access to food or medical care is far too common here.  We are the home of the wealthiest people on Earth, but our poor are starving and dying in the street.  Why?</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173447</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about, freedom means being free to earn money and spend it how we want?

Government guarantees of a fair wage mean we will earn what the government allows us to earn.

Government guarantees of an education mean that we will learn what the government wants us to learn.

Government guarantees of health care mean that we will receive the health care the government decides is appropriate for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about, freedom means being free to earn money and spend it how we want?</p>
<p>Government guarantees of a fair wage mean we will earn what the government allows us to earn.</p>
<p>Government guarantees of an education mean that we will learn what the government wants us to learn.</p>
<p>Government guarantees of health care mean that we will receive the health care the government decides is appropriate for us.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173429</link>
		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about &quot;we&#039;re not us dumb as you think we are&quot;?

At least that is hopeful.

Better yet: &quot;we&#039;re sorry about the last eight years - but would love another shot at crippling the nation&quot;.

I think if you can get back to basics you have a shot: &quot;don&#039;t tread on me&quot;, anyone?

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &#8220;we&#8217;re not us dumb as you think we are&#8221;?</p>
<p>At least that is hopeful.</p>
<p>Better yet: &#8220;we&#8217;re sorry about the last eight years &#8211; but would love another shot at crippling the nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think if you can get back to basics you have a shot: &#8220;don&#8217;t tread on me&#8221;, anyone?</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Trid</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173322</link>
		<dc:creator>Trid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give the people their money back.&quot;

How about &quot;Lowering taxes. What else is the Second Amendment for?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give the people their money back.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about &#8220;Lowering taxes. What else is the Second Amendment for?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Darvin Dowdy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173284</link>
		<dc:creator>Darvin Dowdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give the people their money back&quot; - Is this the best that GOP strategists can come up with? But then, this is what you get these days from the GOP.  Here we have Middle America wondering if they&#039;ll arrive tomorrow am to find a pink slip, our southern border is dangerously breeched, we&#039;re being surrounded by enemies as Russian warships enter the Caribbean and our financial institutions and car manufacturers are being nationalized!!  And Mr. Chapin thinks that all we are concerned about out here in flyover country is a few measly tax dollars returned to our wallet every month??  If you want to know why the GOP lost on 11/7/06 and 11/4/08, well here; Mr. Chapin&#039;s has just hurled a supreme insult at Mom and Pop middle America.  DD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give the people their money back&#8221; &#8211; Is this the best that GOP strategists can come up with? But then, this is what you get these days from the GOP.  Here we have Middle America wondering if they&#8217;ll arrive tomorrow am to find a pink slip, our southern border is dangerously breeched, we&#8217;re being surrounded by enemies as Russian warships enter the Caribbean and our financial institutions and car manufacturers are being nationalized!!  And Mr. Chapin thinks that all we are concerned about out here in flyover country is a few measly tax dollars returned to our wallet every month??  If you want to know why the GOP lost on 11/7/06 and 11/4/08, well here; Mr. Chapin&#8217;s has just hurled a supreme insult at Mom and Pop middle America.  DD</p>
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		<title>By: liberty4usa</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/conservatives-need-a-back-to-basics-message/#comment-173111</link>
		<dc:creator>liberty4usa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this country is hurting from is a total lack of honesty in our leadership.  Fudging the truth and manipulating people based on onees own personal agenda is rampant from our schools to the media.

Think about the consequences we suffer as a result.

Our leaders are liars and we have to say; Enough!

Here is a frequent lie:
&quot;The debate over global warming is settled science.&quot;

&quot;There are 47 million people without health care in this country&quot; is another.

We need to demand leaders in our lives that practice honesty!  

http://thenma.org/blogs//index.php/libertyforusa/2008/12/19/the-new-forked-tongue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this country is hurting from is a total lack of honesty in our leadership.  Fudging the truth and manipulating people based on onees own personal agenda is rampant from our schools to the media.</p>
<p>Think about the consequences we suffer as a result.</p>
<p>Our leaders are liars and we have to say; Enough!</p>
<p>Here is a frequent lie:<br />
&#8220;The debate over global warming is settled science.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;There are 47 million people without health care in this country&#8221; is another.</p>
<p>We need to demand leaders in our lives that practice honesty!  </p>
<p><a href="http://thenma.org/blogs//index.php/libertyforusa/2008/12/19/the-new-forked-tongue" rel="nofollow">http://thenma.org/blogs//index.php/libertyforusa/2008/12/19/the-new-forked-tongue</a></p>
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