Conservatives at CPAC Talking the Talk — But Can they Walk the Walk?
“Reform” is the word on the lips of most of the nearly 9,000 attendees at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). It’s a young crowd with a good mix of seasoned veterans to leaven the enthusiasm of the college kids. Wide-eyed and earnest, the younger generation, raised on the conservative infotainment offered up by talk radio and other mass media conservative stars, also seem to have embraced the message of reform. In short, if this CPAC conference’s main objective is to point the way to a conservative comeback, it’s gotten off to a good start.
The speakers and panels so far have been making all the right noises about having learned their lessons from the 2006 and 2008 electoral debacles. Political defeat, like the prospect of being hanged, concentrates the mind wonderfully. And there seems to be a grim determination underpinning the talk of reform and change — as if the movement has taken the defeats to heart and is truly chastened by the experience.
Of this I have no doubt. But talking about reform while failing to address some fundamental problems with the conservative movement itself may see any real effort at change an exercise in wishful thinking.
Classic conservative principles are timeless; immutable tenets that have inspired great changes in government over the last 400 years and spoken passionately and plainly to the needs and hopes of ordinary people. Since the end of World War II, those classical principles have informed a devastating critique of the welfare state, presenting a reasoned and logical alternative to statism and dependency. Conservatism has stood for human liberty based on the fundamental idea of natural law; that from his first breath, man is born free.
But conservatism has gone off the rails, becoming in some respects a parody of itself. A philosophy that is all about honoring and conserving tradition while allowing for change that buttresses and supports important aspects of the past, has been hijacked by ideologues who brook no deviation from a dogma that limits rather than expands human freedom. Conservatism has become loud, obnoxious, closed-minded, and puerile, while its classical tradition of tolerance and hard-headed rationalism has been abandoned in favor of emotional jags and a vicious parochialism that eschews debate for “litmus tests” on ideological purity.
Can CPAC accomplish anything that will begin to address what conservatism has become — both the perception and reality?
Not when some major conservative figures kid themselves that there is success in unity and victory in simply standing up and saying “no” to the Obama bailout culture:
Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) on Thursday claimed the unanimous House Republican opposition to President Barack Obama’s stimulus package was a turning point for the conservative movement.
“We lost that legislative battle, but we won the argument,” Pence said in a speech to the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. “We won because we got back to basics.”
“Welcome to the beginning of the comeback,” Pence added. “Republicans will be faithful and loyal in our opposition to the liberal Democrats’ agenda.
Such feel good bromides do not convince anyone that the unity Pence is talking about extends much beyond opposition to the radical liberal ideas of the Democrats. If conservatives could unite on what positive alternatives to Obama’s spending plans they can present, that would be a different story. That would show a movement ready to compete in the marketplace of ideas once again.
Mr Moran:
“There must be a reckoning with those who violate the very nature of conservatism by obstinately adhering to exclusionary, anti-intellectual precepts that have thrown classical conservatism over in favor of ranting, ideological tantrums.”
Since you never spell out exactly what those “violations” are and what the presumably true “nature” of conservatism is, sorry to say your column is not an argument, but a rant, an ideological tantrum.
Plus, as someone especially sensitive to language that indicts “deviations from the (Party/dogmatic line),” I’d like to know what “true conservatism” has to say about such “violations” of doctrine, what to do about them, if there are any prescriptions regarding such.
Rick Moron, the steam eeking out of your fetid rant may serve your apoplectic, race-bating, Bush hating lefties but the truth is…
The reason McCain and Repubs failed is because he was too far reaching to the left rather than being truly conservative he was willing to take it up the kazoo and he was a RINO to the umpteenth degree. You also seem to ignore that “your boy wonder” has kept many of Bush’s policies in place but now it’s “ok?”.
Please tell your tax dodging DEMS IN POWER to assess themselves and pay up and OWN up.
Look in the mirror sir. “Rag heads” is a racial slur and yet the very, RACIST church your beloved LEADER not only attended for twenty but MARRIED in was overlooked with a mere backwards glance by the MSM. When the now ‘first lady’ used the term ‘whitey’ in one of her rants that was ‘a-ok’ but if a white repub used the word ‘nigger’ they’d be hung out to dry.
Please, please, please. Tell your precious Leader to stop flaunting his wealth while people are facing some of the hardest economic times we’ve had in years. Tell Dear Leader to keep his jacket on and the heat down and to eat humble meals rather than throwing big parties with ‘stars’ and other douchebaggery.
Your latest ‘polls’ come from the MSM. Shock and awwwwwwwwwwww.
Grow a BRAIN.
“Political defeat, like the prospect of being hung, concentrates the mind wonderfully”.
Actually Political defeat, like the prospect of being hanged , concentrates the mind wonderfully”.
Being hung concentrates her mind wonderfully.
I guess in a purely political sense, Obama was the kind of change the GOP was hoping for – one so extremely out of touch with the best American traditions, that once the BS was replaced with real world governing, the GOP would look fantastic. Obama could be a gift for a long time to come for the GOP.
That said, we should all be very concerned over the damage being done to our country in the mean time and work hard to minimize it. I am hopeful, that lessons were learned by the Republicans over the last 3 years and that the people who voted for the Democrats are not so dense that they refuse to face the reality of the disaster that is the Democratic party.
Timeout.
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/26/america/27webliberals.php
Am I missing something, or is there no right wing equivalent? I feel like we’re being totally outmaneuvered now.
I am an independent, preferring to vote for the man and the ideas over the party. If you are opening this list to suggestion someone in the conservatives is going to have to come forth and say, “No more pork, no more earmarks for either party.”That is our money and congress has been ripping us off for years, either party, under the entitlements of business as usual, greed, or spoils of victory. What is the Return on Investment of any spending plan, and it had better not be good will or perks for the players.
President Obama has the federal check book and he is having too good a time with it writing checks that he can not cash back to we the people. The commander-in-chief is supposed to be the top cop, not the boss hog.
Conservatives can do two things at once. First, they must as a matter of principle denounce and oppose whenever possible the bailout insanity. To do otherwise would be cowardly. Next, as you put forth, they must offer optimistic alternatives. I frankly have been heartened to see Republican solidarity in opposition to Obama’s disgusting spending orgy. The next step will be tougher but Pence is one of many who can lay out the alternatives.
Yes, Obama remains in the 60 range of approval, which is very typical for any first-term president at this stage. His policies fare much more poorly, and I recently saw one poll that indicated roughly a third of Americans believe they will work. That third is the Democratic base.
At some point, when Obama’s policies fail as expected, he too will fall. I predict it will be sooner rather than later. In fact, his implosion probably will be quicker and more unexpected than Bush’s after September 11th because his name is so tied to these doomed and costly proposals.
So roll out optimistic alternatives, and kick the crap out of what has historically been the fast tract to failure.
It’s true that the republicans are a party driven by emotion instead of reason. But since the culture and the left are more whim-ridden than ever, I think it will be deuces wild until the republicans or a new party is worthy of gaining the intellectual high ground.
What’s needed is someone who can advocate individual rights on principle: the absolute, unalienable (secular) rights to life, liberty and property.
Knowledge of history and the economics of J. B. Say make me certain that Congress’ expansions of statism will worsen our prospects. Even if we are able to enjoy another boom, it will be even briefer and phonier than 2001-2. But whether that boom happens or not, terminal bankruptcy of the US government is inevitable within perhaps the decade.
Not since 1776, has there been greater opportunity for a revolution. The question is – will it be based on restoring individual rights and prosperity or complete collapse into another dark ages?
Appeasers like Palin, Kantor and Jindahl won’t cut it, but for new intellectuals who can think clearly and lead with unwavering allegiance to individual rights – the gauntlet is waiting to be picked up.
Moran’s post may be the most honest, inward-focused columns that I’ve read anywere…The denial of “Conservatives” has been astonishing. It reminds me of a faded beauty queen who sadly thinks that she looks like she did when she was young…..The DC Republicans like to blame Bush but self-identified “Conservatives” gave POTUS 43 a 70% approval rating at the END of his presidency. This was AFTER BearSterns, AIG, Lehman and the auto bailout. That’s an amazing disconnect for folks who represent the “hard core” of the Party. The GOP’s has 2 scenarios for a big comeback: 1. Obama screws up big (that’s possible but you’re betting on something you can’t control)… 2. The Party moves AWAY from the toxic, social conservative agenda…. The 2nd scenario would involve purging all of the “RINO”, “CINO” and other labels that make the party more EXCLUSIVE than INCLUSIVE…The GOP should start with the 1984 party platform as a guide. The party did not have a “pro-life” platform back then. In 1984, Reagan SIGNED an immigration amnesty bill!…I would support a GOP that was more “libertarian”. One that values “freedom” in all forms..When the RNC chair answers “are you crazy?” on civil unions; he’s playing to a base that turns off too many in America, circa 2009…On second thought, as I continue to reflect on Mike Pense’ comments; I think the party DOES have to hope that Obama screws up…You can’t LEAD until you’re ready to see the problem as it exists.
“If conservatives could unite on what positive alternatives to Obama’s spending plans they can present, that would be a different story.”
Rick Moran is overcomplicating something that is relatively simple. The conservatives merely have to advocate for more tax breaks and cuts in spending. And yes, it’s that easy! Many have been conned into embracing the notion that the answers to our nation’s economic ills require complex solutions incomprehensible to the intelligence of the typical American. That is just nonsense. The “elites” push this idiocy because they wish to con the citizenry into believing that only they can actually manage our affairs.
“The DC Republicans like to blame Bush but self-identified “Conservatives” gave POTUS 43 a 70% approval rating at the END of his presidency.”
I am among those Republicans who rates George W. Bush highly. This is because he admirably defended our country against its violent enemies. That is priority number one. The fact that he was an economic illiterate who caused a great deal of harm regarding domestic issues—must be given secondary consideration. He would have earned an eighty-to ninety percent approval rating if he had his act together on those latter matters.
Appeasers like Palin, Kantor and Jindahl
Screw off, liberal.
There is much that ails the movement. So first you have to figure out where to start. One thing we shouldn’t do is continue to be wedded to the GOP. I’m not arguing we should join the Libertarians but we should be running conservatives in all parties and districts.
We must make the case for conservatism to the soon to be majority minorities. As we saw in the California Prop 8 vote the majority of the nation is conservative. The next time Maxine Waters runs in the Democrat Primary she should be opposed in that primary by a conservative. When John Murtha runs in the Democrat Primary he should be opposed in that primary by a conservative. Chucky Schumer, the late Ted Kennedy on and on. No liberal should ever be allowed to run in any election, primary or general without conservative opposition regardless of party.
We need to get away from party id to core beliefs. The movement can’t take anymore McCains or a Congressional majority that claims to be conservative but spends like Dennis Kucinich. That is how we end up with media messiahs and failed policies from the 30s like we have now.
We have a political problem not an ideological one.
“The conservatives merely have to advocate for more tax breaks and cuts in spending. And yes, it’s that easy!”
Bingo. The economy has slowed in large part because people are not spending because they are worried about the future. So what does Obama do? He talks about how bad the economy is and then triples the anticipated deficit in one year. Well, if you were worried about the future before, by now you’re scared stiff. And with good reason.
Obama is a socialist know-it-all who knows next to nothing – except how to read from a teleprompter while pretending he’s the reincarnation of MLK.
This article is as vague as Hope and Change. Well, it worked for the Democrats.
“Republicans lost their credibility as the party of the center-right when they became specialists in earmarks and the Bush White House presided over huge increases in discretionary spending,”
Whenever a politician is reelected enough times to become a “specialist” that, it would seem, is a clue to the problem. And a huge argument in favor of term limits. Life and the US Congress do not work that way.
I think that instead of principled and well reasoned arguments that seek the best approach, our legislators have allowed their staff to arrange for the buying of votes and influence. This practice now is seen as bi-partisanship when the votes bought allow you to pass legislation like “no Child left behind” or the promise “x” amount of benefits of jobs as in the thankfully failed Immigration Reform bill. So as the political dynamic continues to decay the reaction drives people further to the extremes, and the price of passing legislation becomes greater. However, at these prices we can not afford bi-partisanship.
That a certain amount of ideology gets lost in the process is to be expected, that the process be totally about the dollars and the influence is arguably how Washington works these days. I believe that is what conservative voters rejected in 2006.
With Candidate Obama promising a to change the way things worked in Washington, I can only suppose it is now the Democratic voters turn to see what their party’s leadership has become and help right their ship as well in 2010.
Unfortunately the whole world is paying the price of the lessons. I do not know if by the mid terms the Dems will be too entrenched, so heavily invested in their dollar bought and hope backed system that real change will be as possible as bringing a modern Auto Plant to the United States. Change should not be measured in super-inflationary terms, but rather in common sense. The president cannot speak plainly enough, he hypes everything, says nothing, leading me to hyper-confidence-less-ness.
I know that there are people who have better insight on this than I, that can articulate it better than you or I, Rick. I think they are just too embarrassed to say.
I think you picked up on the tone, not the substance of the displeasure, Rick.
Socialism is the opposite of hope. Obama is going down. GOP must be ready to lead with someone like Mitt Romney but not Mitt Romney. We need someone who understands and can speak about free markets and capitalism – two words Obama has never uttered. THINK ABOUT THAT.
I want to know who else we have… Someone the jobmakers will trust.
I’m looking at this Omnibus bill and when Republicans own 40% of the earmarks, I have deep concerns about the intent of these leaders. We should be demanding that earmarks be removed and funding for necessary projects be allocated through the current stimulus package passed down to the state level. MAKE A REAL STATEMENT. REMOVE THE EARMARKS. Call the authors in your state who have requested these earmarks and tell them to remove them.
pjean: “I’m looking at this Omnibus bill and when Republicans own 40% of the earmarks, I have deep concerns about the intent of these leaders. “
..this is what is happening in California. The Republicans gas about the new tax bill and cut backroom deals with the Democrats to make everyone look good. It’s all about perpetuating one’s self in office and it sucks.
Republicans aren’t going to make a “comeback,” as Pence stated, if they don’t stop the spending! What part of this do they not understand! When Republican’s are responsible for 40% of the pork spending in the Omnibus bill there is a problem!
Pence needs to be careful when he says “Republicans will be faithful and loyal in our opposition to the liberal Democrats’ agenda. HELLO…what just happened in November of 2008? Republicans are at the end of their rope with all of this lack of integrity and compromise that is going on with those elected…on both sides. Republicans aren’t in control right now for a reason…wake up…sit up…take note…and be REPUBLICANS!
I for one, am keeping track of these spenders and I will take a stand against them in 2010! I am tired of the elected officials NOT representing the PEOPLE and only worrying about their reelections! Have some backbone and stand up for what is RIGHT!
What exactly is GOP strategy..just say no..?
Its incredibly high risk betting the economy will continue to spiral down thru 2010. If it does not, then redistricting coming up will place Liberals in power for a generation. If it does, the GOP runs the risk of being labeled as the party that prevented recovery. This is defending the castle by raising the drawbridge and setting fire to the moat. The correct strategy is to provide alternatives and act.
At some point sound political strategy needs to be developed and presented, otherwise its just anger and frustration being played out in blogs and media outlets.
what an idiot. does this really pass for news? Read Newt’s very clear 12 step plan for econ recovery.
As far as economic illiterates, Barack the President is the leader of the pack. This drooling moron may attract the admiriation of clueless fools like Brooks, but the American people see through him already-despite their current good will.
Rick the Moran may admire Obama, but ultimately our president is nothing more tham ghetto trash with a new credit card to max out. When the electorate’s wrath becomes more focused, and it will be soon, the Democrats who enabled this slack-jawed jackass will be kicked to the curb. After that point, Republican sycophants like the more-known Brooks and even the insignificant whores like Moran and Sullivan will earn their justified places in the Quisling Hall of Fame. Our jobs will be to make sure none of thee idiots slither back into respectability because they lauded one of the greatest threats ever to float out of the sewer to threaten American democracy. We expect this type scumbaggery from craven Democrats; the fact the Republican Fifth Column has floated to the top of the toilet bowl is an added plus because I expect not only a GOP landslide starting in 2010 but a full-blown opportunity for a true party purge once we are back in the majority. That may be the sweetest aspect of how this tragedy shakes out.
Socialism is the opposite of hope. Obama is going down. GOP must be ready to lead with someone like Mitt Romney but not Mitt Romney.
And what’s wrong with Mitt Romney? Is it his religion or his Norman Rockwell family? Or do you insist upon a candidate who has always held ideologically pure positions?
Sorry, you are not going to find a more capable or inspiring candidate than Romney. Sell him rather than someone else who doesn’t have his character and skill set.
You only have to read some of these snarky, snotty comments to understand why the majority of Americans threw the GOP out of power in 2006 and 2008.
Any blogger who dares express an opposing viewpoint is told to “screw off”. “Rag head” racial slurs are justified with the kindergarten defense that “all the other kids did it, too.”
Just by writing about the concern causes some to say “what an idiot”.
Hoping for the Democrats to fail seems to be the common thread.
The majority of Americans rejected the “ham and eggs” of the GOP in the last election. At CPAC the GOP stars just offered doubled ham and doubled eggs, coupled with 3rd grade level name calling. Doesn’t much seem that this approach would be a winning philosophy.
The problem as I see it is twofold:
1) Social conservatism as a matter of government policy rather than as something (most) conservatives practice will alienate voters in the middle who are necessary to win. But, without a sense the Republicans will do more than just advocate personal socially conservative behavior as opposed to legislating it, the social conservatives won’t support the Republicans. Catch 22!
2) Failure to (a) articulate a clear small set of core principles upon which all Republicans can agree, (b) convey to the voters a believable sense that disagreement on other issues is not a problem, and (c) to (without hypocrisy) behave in an honest and principled manner in all things, both in public life and personally.
Speaking of Newt
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1199third1.htm
Conservatism is the arena of grown-ups. Many, if not most, of the Ivy League liberals I know in my collegetown are extremely conservative in their private lives. Fiscally responsible, family and community minded, these people live a totally different reality from the Democrat message of Big Government as the answer to their problems. I don’t quite understand how Democrats have managed to convince this segment of the population that government needs to protect the poor, except that these families’ main source of income – university tenure – is a protected one, and they want that security for others.
Conservatives need to ponder this and how to reach these people, who I think would privately/quietly support conservative Republicans with a more libertarian message. Ron Paul did quite well with this group.
“I’m looking at this Omnibus bill and when Republicans own 40% of the earmarks…”
But the Republicans voted AGAINST it, so it doesn’t matter if someone wrote in the Bill that Republican districts get shiny new cars, unicorns, and pretty pink ponies, the Republicans who would be getting that pork voted NO.
I heard Glenn Beck going on about that last night, before I could get to the channel changer to turn him off for being an idiot.
Should the Republicans have voted “No” twice or something? “I really, really vote ‘no’”?
The statement that Republicans got pork, for a Bill they voted down, simply defies logic.
Alex: Go sell your tired wares elsewhere, perhaps on Moron’s wretched site. “No” not only is a political winner, it is the right response. Sorry your ghetto trash president doesn’t know the credit card has a max.
Oh, Madamae Du Toit’: while your logic is impeccable, don’t waste it on the Republican apologists. Their worst fear is about to materialize–Republican victories after an overreaching Socialist cretin has wrecked the American economy. Perhaphs they will find some tortured rationale along the lines of Rove engineered the election of this idiot.
Conservatives do have a higher bar to clear right now to get the public’s trust back and regain Congress than they did in 1994 because Republicans had been out of power for 40 years at that time. Here, you’ve basically got the same cast of characters who had no problem with expanded government spending in the 1999-2006 period who are now saying they’ve turned over a new leaf.
It’s not surprising that swing voters would be skeptical, to the point that it’s more about what Obama, Pelosi and Reid do wrong over the next 6-8 months than anything that conservative Republicans do right that’s going to get those swing voters to take another look at the GOP. Conservative Republicans can talk the talk right now, but they need to have their plans outlined and in place, and they need to be speaking with a unified voice by the end of the year, where if the economy is still in the dumpster all the media hype/George W. Bush blaming in the world isn’t going to stop the swing voters from being angry at Democrats, and even angrier when they start realizing the tax hikes that are going to be coming down the pike starting in 2010.
As a Conserative Republican , I don’t believe the Republicans will come back. All you need to do is look at what the RNC and the NRCC have been endorsing.They will endorse a RINO over a Conservative 9 out of 10 times. The biggest mistake they make is taking advice from their enemies. Like the man said,talk is cheap.
Mr. Noran:
” Political defeat, like the prospect of being hanged, concentrates the mind wonderfully.”
Manifestly, this isn’t necessarily true, and your post is a good example of this.
Mybe you need to get the noose “snugged-up around your throat”, and get thumped yeat again at the polling place before you REALLY see the light.
Bush’s “Compassionate Conservativism” and McCain’s RINO pandering to the Left caused the Conservative Base to stay home…and yet you haven’t figured it out.
There IS hope for you, though. You DO say:
“But conservatism has gone off the rails, becoming in some respects a parody of itself.”
So you at least recognize that there IS a problem, but then you offer a prescription the likes of this:
“The movement is seen as intolerant of gays, immigrants, and other non-white, non-middle class citizens — a perception that the Republican Party does little to counter and makes attacking conservatism on these issues extremely easy.”
Which is as good a recipe for a failure of the Bush-McCain sort as one could ask for…
-Support “Gay Marriage”.
-Subsidize illegal immigrants to a sation in our country to which they have NO VALID CLAIM WHATSOEVER.
-Expand racialist/racist programs like Affirmative Action,(and BTW, expand them for Gays, too, since you KNOW they’ll come a-callin’ at the AA trough as well).
-Increase taxes on people who may just be getting a taste of the benefits of ownership for the sake of economic losers.
Are you actively TRYING to alienate the Base, with notions like these?
You seem to suffer from a fatal flaw among Republicans, (as opposed to Conservatives), in that you accept without question the characterization of Republicans and Conservatives by the Mainstream Media, (which is really indistinguishable from Leftist Democrats).
The only time the MSM has anything unkind not to say about Conservatives is at their paydays…and at tax time.
Please get it through your skull. Conservatives and Republicans are NOT necessarily as they are portrayed by their political foes.
Free your mind and your behind will follow…
One award recipient, Karl Denninger, hit it out of the park. He and his cronies kept me from losing half my savings in the past 2 years.
http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www
29. Robin, excellent points. I think many people will publicly tout the ‘Lib’ label out of good old fashioned peer pressure. Others are just hippy/yuppy douchebags who feel guilty for having their own wealth and others are wealthy Libs who won’t even pay their OWN taxes whilst telling the rest of us that, “PAYING TAXES IS PATRIOTIC”. It’s a bizarro world where people actually feel FORCED into being a LIB just to not be harrassed or god forbid lose their job.
Crazy times. Crazy times.
It’s a bizarro world where people actually feel FORCED into being a LIB just to not be harrassed or god forbid lose their job.
At the rate Obama is bankrupting the country this situation will be turned around completely within 2 years. A lot of people who voted for Obama will deny it.
If I get the gist of this article the conservative movement is reviled because of social cons. If social cons would just get out of politics and the conservative movement then everything would right it. Most social cons got involved in politics because they were being asked to be tolerant of others lifestyles and then were being forced (government taxes and regulations) to also pay for the excesses of these lifestyles. The small government conservatives were small government when it came to social policies that they supported but were big government when it came to pay for the consequences. Sorry but your reasoning doesn’t add up. Most social cons are also fiscal cons and military cons and even small government cons. If politics is the art of compromise then you might see social cons willing to compromise when the other side shows the same willingness to compromise but so far all I have seen is that the “so called” small government cons want me to compromise with no quid pro quo.
40. Terry Gain,
That will be a comical scenario indeed. Unfortunately black people will take the brunt of it since there’s no way around them being able to deny their vote. I just hope people remain civil with each other at that point.
Did you ever stop to think that the anger about the social cons comes from the incessant attempts from the Evangelical Right to use the very Federal Government they claim to disdain to use the power of law to implement their own religious beliefs on the population. You know, like trying to pass laws demanding that creationism be treated as a valid subject to be taught in science class.
43. Pete,
Considering the majority of teachers and professors are flaming LIBERALS who want kids to TEACH about homosexuality and pass out condoms whilst shoveling their own political slants down youngster’s throats and yet REFUSE to let a group of kids pray at lunch time, I’d say your pathetic complaint doesn’t have a pot to piss in.
Typo: flaming Liberals who want to TEACH kids about homosexuality.
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1914
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54241
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/trashingamerica/homosexeducate.html
The Republican Party is a complete crock of horses**t. They spent like drunken Democrats while they controlled Congress and Bush controlled the White House. Suddenly we’re supposed to believe they are against Big Government? Homeland Security, prescription drug benefits anyone?
Gimme a break. Two seconds after they get back in power they’ll double down on the Obama spending insanity.
Which is just as well, since nothing will ever change until the system collapses and blood runs in the streets.
Are the republicans done ignoring me yet? I’ll be at a local protest this weekend. Join me or contribute money or be quiet.
@46 John – hold your horses. If things are that bad, why not move to another country?
If the GOP wants to become a majority party again, they’ll have to do the following:
* ditch the theocrats(Palin, Jindal, Huckabee, etc…)
* articulate a philosophy of smaller government and personal responsibility
* promise to not touch Social Security, don’t even talk about it
* articulate a responsible environmental policy
* articulate a more reasonable foreign policy based on peace through strength, but not doctoring up intel or fear-mongering like Bush/Cheney
* engage the latest technologies like Twitter to show that the GOP is on the same page with young people
@44 Delia – you have no response about all those Republican school boards trying to shove creationism down the throats of kids? Obviously you approve then.
25. Continuum:
“’Rag head’ racial slurs are justified with the kindergarten defense that ‘all the other kids did it, too.’”
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“Rag Head” said by a private citizen is a lot different than racist slurs being spoken by someone’s wife who is running for political office…especially the highest office.
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“Hoping for the Democrats to fail seems to be the common thread.”
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Nope. Hoping for the Democrat’s POLICIES to not be implemented to the detriment of our country and our children and THEIR children *IS* a common thread though.
49. Proud Libertarian:
“Delia – you have no response about all those Republican school boards trying to shove creationism down the throats of kids? Obviously you approve then.”
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I didn’t teach creationism nor did I teach Darwinism [home schooled my one and only]. I think private schools should be the ones who teach that and same goes for homosexuality and handing out condoms and Liberal brainwashing. Call it “Special Lib Ed” for those that want their kids to be ‘Liberal minded’ and keep the special interest CRAP out of public schools.
There are kids coming out of our supposed ‘school system’ that can barely read or write.
THAT is what truly concerns me and the parents of those children should be ASHAMED.
Delia
Separation of church and state. Why is this such a hard concept for you guys to grasp? Oh, that’s right, you want the state to suppress, ban, or condemn homosexuality solely for RELIGIOUS reasons.
Rick, buddy, read these postings and you will understand where the conservative movement and Republicanism is today. They are not interested in your message in fact the thrust of most of them is that you are that most undesirable of beasts…the RINO. This is a very screwed up movement, the consequence of 20 years or more of relentless polarising has produced a party base that thinks (I use the term advisedly) like this. I’ve been watching the events of the past few weeks, and reading a lot of the commentary on similar themes to yours that’s being posted on some conservative blogs and the vast majority of responses are like the ones you will find here. The word that leaps to mind is….immaturity. Confronted with two successive defeats and a president who is clearly emerging as the greatest talent to hit these shores since FDR we’ve chosen mindless irredentism and hope for national failere. There’s no solution to this dilemma, the GOP is in the control of people who mostly think like this and until they come to their senses you are spitting in the wind I’m afraid.
52. Pete,
-Condemn? Hardly. How is NOT teaching homosexuality in schools ‘instant’ condemnation?
-And, you act as if I’m a hard core bible thumper. Sorry to disappointchya but I’m not. I’m not a church member and I have my own spirituality I personally go by which I would never shove down the throat of someone else just like I don’t think someone’s sexual preference should be shoved down someone’s throat. Heck. I think there is too much obsession with regular sex in schools and it sure hasn’t helped stave off the STD’s and teen pregnancies.
More people should home school if they really care about their children’s education. The public school system has become babysitter.
I read, somewhere (one of the econ blogs I follow, I think), that during the Great Depression, almost all western nations had their governing philosophies flipped. Some became more welfare state liberal, some became more conservative, some became communist, some became fascist. They all suffered a bit, and they all improved eventually – or at least the ones that had robust cultural traditions. There was no real way to predict which way they flipped – it was dependent on who had been in power previously.
So here’s a prediction for you folks – Reagan followed the economic failures of the 70s. Obama follows the economic failures of the 00s. Neither proves much of anything about actual Americans, no matter how much that might hurt your feelings. Most Americans are far less wedded to ideological conservatism or liberalism than you’re trying to project on to them from either direction – they just really don’t like ineffective and tone deaf leaders and movements, regardless of content. American doesn’t like losers. The liberals were definitely that by the 70′s. The conservatives are definitely that now.
#53 John . . . It’s even worse than that. We face a real terrorism threat, and it’s from people here on this board. They’re being played, whipped into a froth by the neo-cons who want to create a generation of McVieghs. The next time a bomb goes off in an American city it won’t be Mohammad who did it, it will be Bilgeman or Mongoose or Delia with a strap-on.
It’s already happened . . . When police searched the car of the gunman who opened fire in a Unitarian Church in Tennessee, they found a 4-page letter expressing his hatred of the “liberal movement.” A regular consumer of Bill O’Reilly, Michael Savage and Sean Hannity, Jim David Adkisson was only following the arguments they make day in and day out to their logical conclusions.
These people are exactly the kind of gullible idiots who pushed this country to the brink of destruction – the result of in-breeding and home schooling.
Obama is trying to save this country. You clowns have been enlisted to wreak havoc on it. Why? Because Karl Rove can’t come to terms with the fact that his father was gay.
Someday, the utterly unfounded meme that McCain lost because he did not stick to genuine conservative principles will die off. I’m not sure exactly how this will happen, seeing that the progenitors of this myth refuse to be dissuaded by the overwhelming amount of exit polling and post-election polling that completely vitiate this argument. I can predict, however, that the GOP will not regain political power in this country while these deluded fools still compose their base.
Just so you all know, Delia doesn’t live in America. She’s not even a U.S. citizen. She lives in Great Britain.
I’m hearing people say Bobby Jindal made up his Katrina sheriff story. Well, I don’t believe it. He’s an honorable man with a wife and family. He’s a conservative. He’s a hard worker and Roads Scholar. I like him a lot and think he’d be a good one to run for Republican president in oh 12. Maybe him and Sara Palin together on the same ticket. Wow! Good luck, Dumbocrats.
Here, I’ll live blog Glen Beck for everybody . . . YOU are the keepers of freedom . . . YOU are the stewards of liberty . . . YOU are the people of humanity . . . YOU are the watchdogs of potentia . . . YOU are the chop sticks of common sense . . . YOU are the pencils of Norad . . . YOU are the ham sandwiches of history . . . YOU are the coffee filters of the future . . . YOU, not somebody else . . . YOU
Here, I’ll live blog Sean Hannity for everybody . . . Our brave men and women in harm’s way providing goods and services that people want, need or desire should in no way, shape, matter or form, put in danger any of ourbrave men and women in harm’s way providing goods and services that people want, need or desire should in no way, shape, matter or form, put in danger any of ourbrave men and women in harm’s way providing goods and services that people want, need or desire should in no way, shape, matter or form, put in danger any of our troops at Ruth Chris steak house having driven, transported, or otherwise delivered themselves by way of conservative conveyance in their Chevy Tahoe or Cadillac Escalade.
Here, I’ll live blog Rush Limbaugh for everybody . . . Thisssssss, ladies and gentlemen, is an opportuniteeeeeee for conservatism to regain it’s rightful place in the hall, the pantheon . . . to regain the heavenly mantle of righteousness. Now, I, wha, Snerdly, I, wha, I KNOW . . . Folks! There is no way I’m going to . . . wha, (snork), I, yes, (fnew) . . . for the women to ask that question. I won’t1
Very well put, Nathan (and Rick). I’ve been watching videos of the late William Buckley a lot recently. What a loss for the conservative movement. It will need another Buckley or 10 to recover from its present intellectual crisis. Buckley understood so well that the only way conservative ideas could gain any ground is by excepting extremists and anti-intellectuals from the movement. Yet we have the Theocrats considered the base of the GOP and the patently unqualified Sarah Palin as the VP nominee. And anyone is surprised that GOP is losing elections?
Derbyshire wrote a really great article in AmCon recently, describing the lowbrow level of discourse that reigns supreme on the right, vs something like NPR on the left. I think an NPR of the right is the only thing that will save the conservative movement now, imho.
Reading many of these comments is even more depressing than the outcome of the 2008 election. It seems Republicans are unable to work together. The classical Republicans apparently feel contempt for the social Republicans. This is a party headed towards a fracturing in the days to come. Would this nation ever be ready for a third political party?
I think some of the posters on this thread understand the mounting challenges facing our party. I, for one, have been voting libertarian since 2004 due to the failures of the GOP under the Bush Administration. There have been some great points on here, especially the need to separate conservatives from the GOP. By this I don’t mean a night of the long knives-type purge, but the ability for conservatives to think of themselves as conservatives first and Republicans by accident.
Additionally, conservatives have to re-embrace their intellectual roots; simply castigating someone because they use a big word or make a sophisticated argument isn’t the way to return to political power. As has been said before, calling someone a “raghead” or a “socialist” makes for an interesting soundbite (and an interesting row), but doesn’t win voters. To that end, Sarah Palin and others of her ilk are no savior. This kind of language only further divides our country and, unfortunately, leads to the Knoxville Unitarian incidents. If we truly believe we are better than liberals who do namecall, then simply rise above it and admit that you don’t need to stoop to their level to win debates.
Finally, voters in this day and age have sophisticated demands and complex questions, not only about the future of our country, but the future of their family. They want to know how they are going to be able to send their kids to college, they want to know how they’ll be able to get medical coverage, they want to know how they be able to keep/save their job. Simply responding, “tax cuts” isn’t effective policy. We need to expand the policy playbook, and then communicate these ideas to the public in a way that informs, but doesn’t patronize.
PS – As it concerns social conservatives, I have no idea what to say. I have many profound disagreements with social conservatives and feel that they are a blemish to our movement, but I think we can engage them more fully and more civilly in a dialogue within our movement.
58. as if:
Just so you all know, Delia doesn’t live in America. She’s not even a U.S. citizen. She lives in Great Britain.
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LMAO! You truly *ARE* a MORON and you just showed your mentally challenged hand. You’re obviously basing your ASSumption on the email address I recently shared with Rachel here. -Well, sucker, ANY computer geek worth her salt knows that UK yahoo emails provide FREE POP3 and SMPT hosting and that’s why I use ‘em. I’m American born, you numbskull.
Again, ‘as if’ nice try. Your trolling me means I must be scaring the CRAP out of you Libtards.
hahahaha
WHOOT! Strike one for the Deliaaaaaaaaa! ;p
Bobby jindal admitted he made up the story about Katrina, why they put him out front and center…one for the books.
The one poster makes a valid point about rabidness in the GOP. It seems anger is boiling over to the point of absurd statements and accusations replacing creative thought and critical analysis.
Watching the Nation make incredibly shortsighted decisions the last 12 years has come back to bite us in the butt, and rightly so. This is what happens when we let emotion drive decisions.
President Clinton deregulated the banking system, President Bush fed the credit market steroids and the banking system issued trillions of dollars in worthless derivatives that fed credit and housing market bubble, it was Musical Chairs on international scale.
We send hundreds of billions to the banking system, it goes to pay the european bankers holding those worthless derivatives.
And yet we eat our own.
Gil:
I agree completely. As a physician, I have been trying to think of a way to reconcile our worldclass technology (which is REALLY expensive) with everybody’s desire to benefit from it without directly paying for it. The free marketeer in me says go with supply and demand but that would entail some doing without, which isn’t going to go over well at all. So, how to guarantee good care to all without a) bankrupting the system; b) trampling the rights of the suppliers of this care; and c) encouraging patients to assume responsibility for their own well-being, both physically and financially. (I haven’t figured it out yet, needless to say.)
#56 as if:
“The next time a bomb goes off in an American city it won’t be Mohammad who did it, it will be Bilgeman or Mongoose or Delia with a strap-on.”
(Is that you, ooyo? I thought you were relieved on watch at PJM Trolls’ World HQ)
Can’t speak for Brother Mongoose or Sister Delia, but the self-splodeydope thing just ain’t my style, fella.
It’s way too indiscriminate and “Democratic” a mass murder to accomplish anything except for terrifying Lefty dullards, who spend their lives terrified anyways.
Really, hotshot, you should have a better grasp of recent world history and Kissinger-style realpolitik before plopping yourself down at the grownups’ table and vomiting forth your Pablum.
In nearly EVERY case of social upheaval worldwide over the past 50 years, the tool of the Left was riots and guerrilla/ terrorist insurrection.
The tool of the Right was the Death Squads and police oppression of leftist agitators.
#64 Edward A:
“It seems Republicans are unable to work together. The classical Republicans apparently feel contempt for the social Republicans.”
They always have. If it weren’t for social republicans, (Conservatives), the GOP “party of Rockefeller” would have gone the way of the Whigs…and they know it.
After Nixon, Ford and Carter, the GOP fatcats in their genteel country-club environs looked beyond the gates and saw vile hordes of unwashed Hippies spouting Mao and Marx.
They freaked out, man, they had a very BAD trip.
So they came around to the other self-organized and long-established voting bloc in the country,the churchgoing, and pimped themselves out as the party of the counter-revolution…and it worked.
Ronald Reagan carried Barry Goldwater’s standard into the White house, not that of the Knickerbockers and their ilk.
“This is a party headed towards a fracturing in the days to come.”
McCain,(who was despised by Barry Goldwater, btw), showed that the Rockefellers’ Rich Man’s party can’t win the kewpie doll when they alienate the Conservative base.
If you think that taking a softer line on say, “Gay Marriage” is the ticket to the Oval Office, then kindly ‘splain what happenned with Prop 8 in California.
It flew in the face of the electorate’s values and beliefs and was shot down in flames…and look…there go the “No on 8″ flks running off to their favorite black-robed elitist to try thwarting the will of the people!
“Would this nation ever be ready for a third political party?”
I think we should see if it’s ready for TWO parties.
Faux-Marxist Statist Democrats,(and their craven appeasers), and Conservatives.
#53 John:
“Confronted with two successive defeats and a president who is clearly emerging as the greatest talent to hit these shores since FDR we’ve chosen mindless irredentism and hope for national failere.”
And so, John, given the many complex troubles facing our nation on January 20th, 2009, President,(claims he was born in Hawaii),Obams decided that Federal funding for overseas “abortion counselling” was in the top two or three items of his new agenda.
Rooseveltian, huh?
Dalia, for a colorblind conservative you sure talk about race a LOT. BTW, stop lying, she never said “whitey”, it was a hoax. Boy reading these comments make me really confident about the next 4-8 years. NOT!!!!
69. Bilgeman:
“(Is that you, ooyo? I thought you were relieved on watch at PJM Trolls’ World HQ)”
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Brother Bilgeman, yy thoughts exactly. Our Chicken Little can’t man up to one username after he gets debunked, chided and taken out to the ‘proverbial shed’ for a good spankin’. You can speak on behalf of Sister Delia any ol’ time just so long as you are fair and balanced.
Oh well. Some people insist on removing all doubt as to their stupidity. Viva la Morons for they make our job soooooo much easier.
-Back to topic. *SCREEEEEEECH!*
“Classic conservative principles are timeless; immutable tenets that have inspired great changes in government over the last 400 years and spoken passionately and plainly to the needs and hopes of ordinary people.”
As much as the other parts of Moran’s rant annoyed me I begrudgingly concur with that beautiful sentiment that rings like a liberty bell in me.
#73 Delia:
“You can speak on behalf of Sister Delia any ol’ time just so long as you are fair and balanced.”
You flatter me, ma’am. I would not presume to think that my feeble ersatz could, in any way, mimic the genuine Delia article.
Accept no bogus imitations!
Everyone, please go read post #9 again.
Nailed. It.
72. dap4@aol.com:
Dalia, for a colorblind conservative you sure talk about race a LOT. BTW, stop lying, she never said “whitey”, it was a hoax. Boy reading these comments make me really confident about the next 4-8 years. NOT!!!!
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Color blind? Me? Hardly. I’m quite aware of the lovely shades of ethnic ‘colors’ and being blind to them is a lesson in futility.
Hoax huh? Pardon me whilst I point out that the church that both M & O attended for TWENTY Freakin’ years AND got MARRIED in had a pastor that used the term racist rantas against whites over and over and overrrrrrrrr.
“The country is controlled by “rich white people”
“He ain’t white and rich
“Barack doesn’t fit the mold”
“Hillary fits the mold”
“Europeans fit the mold”
“The country and culture is controlled by rich white people”
“rich white folk run everything”
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You think the charge about Michelle is that far off the mark? Just like Hillary saying anti-Jew spewage:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677751/posts
Keep pulling and I’ll push and ne’er the ‘twain shall meet.
#75 John:
Okay, I reread it. CapforChange seems to be another who believes that the bedrock principles of Conservatism are something that you compromise upon, or that somehow go out of fashion.
They don’t.
I’d like YOu to take a look at the context of when Moran is posting his essay.
The GOP is fundamentally shaken right now, very much a rudderless ship.
Can you imagine the level of Machiavellian schming and horse-trading that is going on among the hyper-inflated political egos of the GOP contenders right now?
Every man-jack and woman-jill of ‘em is sniffing the wind, trying to gauge from which direction it will blow, and how strongly, in order to be the first to set sail and ride it.
They’re doing this by sampling public opinion, talking to their constituents, and reading opinion makers.
In this calm is where Mr. Moran decided to cut loose his fart, and in the direction that he, for his own d’ruthers, favors.
Rather obviously, I disagree with his preferred course.
I don’t fault him for it, though, since I’m doing the exact same thing.
74. Bilgeman:
“You flatter me, ma’am. I would not presume to think that my feeble ersatz could, in any way, mimic the genuine Delia article.
Accept no bogus imitations!”
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If your intention was to make me blush profusely then you succeeded and totally flustered me too.
The ‘bogus imitations’ part made me LMAO though which brought me back to reality. [he-he] Did you just turn my pouty girl frown upside down? Yep. YOU DID! Thank you, Bilge. Smiley wrinkles are so much more attractive than frowney wrinkles anyway.
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“Can the walk the walk?”
Does the pope sh_t in the woods?
Does a bear wear a funny dress?
Me being the short-n-sweet talkin’ gal that I am…I cannot fathom calling myself any kind of ‘hyphenated-American’…-I’d end up turning the whole messy lot of my originating heritage into a really dorky acronym that would lessen the pure impact of just saying, “I’m ‘MERICAN! Damnit!” Finnish/Irish/English-American? FIEA? Oh god…NO!
When people grow up and see how much of their moula is STOLEN via taxation they often turn Repub.
Is the Repub party perfect? HELL NO! -But, if you have to pick a party by who has more screws loose…I’ll go Repub any day.
“But, if you have to pick a party by who has more screws loose…I’ll go Repub any day.”
Correction: But, if you have to pick a party by who has LESS screws loose…I’ll go Repub any day.
*bashes head against keyboard*
CPAC ought to rename itself something like Conservative Right Against Progress.
Conservatives and Republicans need to split into different parties. Let the Republicans go the way of the Whigs. Conservatism is what will serve as an antidote to the over reaching of the administration. However there will be no public groundswell for Conservatism as long as it’s anchored to the Republican party.
The country has changed socially, the Republican party has not. It’s as simple as that.
81. Paine in the Thomas,
The ‘Third Party” under Ross Perot got us Clinton by default.
*sigh* Sometimes you have to pick a lesser evil and hope the lesser evil knows wtf they are doing with our country.
Every once in a while this independent mostly conservative voter returns to a Republican site to see if there has been awakening. As John wrote:
Everyone, please go read post #9 again.
Nailed. It.
Until Republicans get that, I will continue to vote Democratic.
Delia and Bilgeman . . . I don’t know what a yooyo is, but I know that it’s far better to accept a bogus imitation than a genuine imitation. Know what I mean? It’s like a double negative. Kind of like adding you two together.
#66 Delia . . . Sorry not good enough, I have to see a vault copy of your birth certificate. (Get it now? Geez, you’re thick.)
83. Angela:
“Until Republicans get that, I will continue to vote Democratic.”
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85. as if,
I fart in your general direction.
My concern is that the American public expects the government to take care of its problems. You can be as conservative as you want but if your electorate is calling for pork you have to deliver to be reelected. Polls say one thing but the actions of the voting electorate say something else. Capitalist on the market upswing, socialist on the market downswing.
#87 Delia . . . and unoriginal
#88 Richard Cook:
“Polls say one thing but the actions of the voting electorate say something else. Capitalist on the market upswing, socialist on the market downswing.”
Aye…that’s the truth of it.
I think that’s called “Human Nature”.
When Alan Greenspan warned against “Irrational Exuberance”, people looked at him like he had a penis growing from his forehead and laying alongside his nose, (when they weren’t castigateing him for “rocking the boat” by reminding people of one of the fundamental laws of the market: If it goes up, it can come down).
And now, the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii is talking Unreasoning Despair, where are the voices reminding us that when the market drops, it will also rise?
Delia:
“If your intention was to make me blush profusely then you succeeded and totally flustered me too.”
Ah, but blushes are very becoming on you…
“Finnish/Irish/English-American? FIEA? Oh god…NO!”
Peaches n’ Cream complexion with a flush of blush…very fetching.
#69 Bilgeman thinks “the tool of the Left was riots and guerrilla/ terrorist insurrection.
The tool of the Right was the Death Squads and police oppression of leftist agitators.”
Tell that to the motherless children in Oklahoma City. Tell that to the anthrax victims. Tell that to the abortion doctors whose clinics were bombed. Tell that to the families of four little girls killed in the 16th Street Baptist Church. Remember that? Four right wing fascists just like you planted 122 sticks of dynamite at the basement window of the church. When twenty-six children were walking into the basement assembly room for closing prayers of a sermon entitled “The Love That Forgives,” the bomb exploded.
I’m sure that was a proud moment for you and your internet mistress Delia . . . it just goes to show how valuable you are to the fascist underlords who provide you just enough propaganda to make you feel righteous. But just like “Dynamite Bob” Chambliss, you’re complete and utter cowards – setting bombs under cover of darkness and running away. You’re a genuine imitation.
The Bilge continues . . . “Really, hotshot, you should have a better grasp of recent world history and Kissinger-style realpolitik before plopping yourself down at the grownups’ table and vomiting forth your Pablum.”
Time to stick you finger down your throat again, Bilgeman.
As if, please quit shooting blanks into the blogosphere.
Seriously.
Cut it out. Really. I hate it. *fake tear*
Of course…you are giving me a LOT of attention which…even if it’s negative…there’s something charming about being singled out.
*Kisses Bilgeman on the cheek*
Jelly, ‘as’ if? I thought so! Neener.
I talk the talk and walk the walk. I actually PAY my taxes unlike your ‘comrades’ so put that in your bong and toke it.
#92 as if:
“Tell that to the motherless children in Oklahoma City.”
Ahh, and what became of Timothy McVeigh?
We execute the political criminals of the Right.
The Left CELEBRATES their murderering thugs…”Free Mumia!”
http://www.freemumia.com/
“Tell that to the anthrax victims.”
What on earth are you babbling about? Has someone been convicted of that?
Nice that you did remember that there HAVE been fatal WMD attacks on American soil, though.
(There’s usually a big empty space in Leftie brains about that, since it doesn’t fit their “NO WMDs found in Iraq” sloganeering)
“Tell that to the abortion doctors whose clinics were bombed.”
And where is Eric Rudolph now? Cooling his heels in a Federal hoosegow. See my response to your OKCity rant above.
“Tell that to the families of four little girls killed in the 16th Street Baptist Church.”
Dynamite Bob Chambliss died in prison in 1985…how long do you expect to eat free lunches on crimes 40 years past?
“I’m sure that was a proud moment for you and your internet mistress Delia . . .”
Hey, you slobbering a**hole, I was 4 years old at the time, and Sister Delia wasn’t even born yet, so shove your accusations up your keester with both hands and scamper out on your elbows.
Oh, btw, Condoleeza Rice, who you may recognize as rather prominent Republican, was friends and schoolmates with at least one of the girls who died in that terrorist crime…
“I remember the bombing of that Sunday School at 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham in 1963. I did not see it happen, but I heard it happen, and I felt it happen, just a few blocks away at my father’s church. It is a sound that I will never forget, that will forever reverberate in my ears. That bomb took the lives of four young girls, including my friend and playmate, Denise McNair. The crime was calculated to suck the hope out of young lives, bury their aspirations. But those fears were not propelled forward, those terrorists failed.[84]
– Condoleezza Rice, Commencement 2004, Vanderbilt University, May 13, 2004″
94. Bilgeman . . . The issue is what HAPPENED, not what happened AFTERWARD.
Try to keep up. One more lapse and I’m gonna remove your training wheels.
I’d consider voting Republican if it got out of bed with the whacko Religious Right. Fiscal conservatives would return to the Republican party if it quit pandering to people who think we need to implement Biblical laws into civil legislation. Of course, they only care about the gays right now … but who knows where it will end: isn’t working on the Sabbath forbidden, as is divorce for any reason other than infidelity?
#95 as if:
“The issue is what HAPPENED, not what happened AFTERWARD.”
No, you babbling clown, the issue is YOU blaming myself and Delia for a terrorits crime that happenned forty years ago, you demonizing half-wit.
Leftards can’t seem to stop blaming Conservatives of shoving their morality down peoples’ throats, but then they’re the first,(and the loudest) to clamber up on their own moral high Hobby-horse.
And look at what that “morality” is, fundamentally…blaming innocent people for stuff that they did not do.
You’re a joke, chum.
#97 Bilgeman . . . wishes that “the issue is YOU blaming myself and Delia for a terrorits crime that happenned forty years ago”
Well, no, that’s not the issue. Allow me to refresh what’s left of your Alzy memory.
You wrote, “the tool of the Left was riots and guerrilla/ terrorist insurrection.
The tool of the Right was the Death Squads and police oppression of leftist agitators.”
I responded with a half-dozen examples of the right using terrorist tactics.
You replied (and I’m paraphrasing) “Yeah, but they’re all in jail!
To which I replied, “It’s about what happened, not about what happened afterward.”
To which you cried, “stop being mean to me and Delia.”
Your inability to track such a simple exchange is convincing evidence of either your blind commitment to obfuscation or a lack of thinking cells up there where your hat lives.
In either case, if you want to be a man someday, you’ll have to learn to tell the truth, admit when you’re wrong, and pee in a straight line.
Take your time. The world will wait.
‘as’ if and oopsie,
Nice ‘tag-team’ ya got there, good buddies!
Your ignominious posts lack personal ‘flair’…you are [singular because I don't doubt you're one and the same poster] a shill for the lefty loons.
Keep posting your idiotic drivel to remove all doubt.
#98 oopsie:
” Allow me to refresh what’s left of your Alzy memory.”
Hahahahahaha! Who ARE you again?
You posted your Liberal wet-dream accusations under the “as if” monniker, you sh*t-lipped baboon!
You can’t even keep your troll sock-puppets straight.
Told you that you’re a joke.
Bilgeman, don’t be bitter. And thank you for defending the need for the fairness doctrine. I look forward to guesting on Sean Hannity’s show. Be sure to tune in. I think you’ll like it . I’ll mention your artful defenses.
The Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008 because they governed like Democrats.
Had Obama decided upon his election to govern from the center, he probably could have slammed the door on the GOP for good. However, with his 3.5 TRILLION dollar spendapalooza “budget”, endless bailouts for everyone and appalling “stimulus” package, he has single-handedly revived the GOP. Americans are not going to stand for their money (what is left of it) being taken a la Madoff by Obama and redistributed as he sees fit.
102. avs,
“The Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008 because they governed like Democrats”
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Exactamundo! BINGO! Conservatives need to be hard core CONSERVATIVES and stop pandering to the LEFT period. If it weren’t so detrimental to our current situation it would be almost comical. The silly “Springtime for Hitler and Germany” cracks me up until I see history repeating itself.
We are not clay. We shall not be formed and molded into conformity and standardizing. One of our greatest, moste beloved assets as Americans is our FREEDOM.
You take your freedom away and we have jack sh*t.
#101 as if/oopsie/sh*t-lipped baboon:
“Bilgeman, don’t be bitter.”
Not at all, I’ve been chuckling all day over what a doofus you made of yourself.
In fact, I searched a few videos for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-fGndZx7U
And, no matter what your answer to Oingo-Boingo’s immortal query, we can always count on you that you’ll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BVOOnJCFdw
104. Bilgeman,
Bilge, baby…I think this youtube vid sums up our resident libtardtrolls quite nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DBuk91phkI
I hope that youtube vid isn’t too ‘racist’…
rotfl!
Delia:
Ahhh……yup.
‘Cept they want to know why the rest of us don’t enjoy the taste.
#105 . . . Delia . . . You’re escatology with out the “e”. You really need to get out more, but not to the zoo. Why in the world would you have such a video at hand? My first suspicion is that you got it from Bilgeman, given its . . . oh let’s call it “quirky” nature. After all, he’s shared with all of us his fascination with liquids and dark places and his appliances of perversion. But I don’t want to discount your own apparent fascinations with all things urinary. Just beneath your veneer of folksy civility beats a cold and bitter heart, one brimming with regret and doubt, which often causes people to act out their delusions. Fear not! There are ways to redirect your obsessions . . . knit 1, purl 2 . . . knit 1, purl 2 . . . knit 1, purl 2 . . . Thaaaaaat’s right . . . . See the pretty colors?
107. as ifsie,
LOL! You must ‘soil’ yourself frequently to keep changing usernames so often.
Here’s another funny youtube I keep handy for folks of ‘your’ ilk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4&eurl
Apropos much? A much too much!
Nyuck!
108: Delia . . . well duh. Truly, you;r effluent obsession borders on hyrdoenchephalitic. You should be proud. How about some home movies? Bet those are special. By the way, who’s the de facto leader of the Republican party? And no, it’s not Buddy Hackett. (Sorry.)
Anybody?