Conservative Cannibals Feast on Their Own
It has been a fortnight to forget for conservatives. Over the last two weeks, the movement has seen more sniping, spur digging, hair pulling, eye gouging, mud wrestling, and general mayhem than it has at any similar time in memory. It has been Rush vs. Newt, Newt vs. Rushbots, Rush vs. Steele, Steele vs. The Base, Rush vs. Frum, Frum vs. The World, Brooks vs. Himself, along with various blog wars, pundit poundings, and the usual gaggle of internet assassins in the various comment sections of popular websites — all having a merry old time flinging monkey feces at one another while America crashes down around their heads.
The right is in Dante’s ninth circle of hell, condemned to be encased in solid ice with only their heads showing, with those positioned next to each other forced to gnaw on their neighbors’ necks for sustenance. And the number one chomper by far in this “non-Divine Uncomedy” has been the man who claims his talent is “on loan from God” and who possesses the highest paid mouth in the political entertainment biz.
At $50 million year, Rush Limbaugh not only has talent on loan from the Almighty, he’s so loaded he’s probably capable of slipping Yaweh a few bucks if the Lord finds himself a little short before payday. And why not? Considering the year conservatives have had, Rush has earned every penny. No one doubts Limbaugh’s influence on those who believe they receive the perceived conservative wisdom of the ages from Rush and other show biz righties on talk radio. Limbaugh performs a great service for the movement by boiling down conservative concepts into popcorn-sized chunks of patriotic pablum digestible by everyone, and then supplements the repast by slaughtering every known liberal sacred cow and doling out political red meat by the half shank. Liberals hate him because more often than not, he successfully points out their hypocrisy and sheer looniness, zinging them unmercifully in a highly entertaining and amusing fashion — if you’re a conservative.
But “more often than not” is the problem. On the air for 15 hours a week, Limbaugh sticks his foot in it at times. Or, as is more often the case, his intent is twisted so that what he says is deliberately misconstrued by his enemies to make him appear (choose one) heartless, racist, homophobic, or a hate monger.
The latest Rushism that has both conservative and liberal tongues wagging is his “I hope the president fails” remark that has now undergone its 112th reprinting and has been dissected, resected, and vivisected to the point that I challenge anyone to recall what Mr. Limbaugh’s original intent was in making that statement back in January. Liberals pounced on the utterance, gearing up their internet cadres and the usual wailers and gnashers of teeth to take Limbaugh to task for his desire to see America suffer an economic Armageddon. Democratic congressmen and senators got on the Crush Rush bandwagon, while the party itself — taking its marching orders directly from the White House, who apparently didn’t have anything better to do in an economic crisis — decided to use Limbaugh’s face and pin it on the GOP donkey tail as “leader of the Republican Party.”
Mr. Moran:
I enjoy reading you over at Right Wing Nut House occasionally. I’m sorry I haven’t been following you as closely as I had before the election.
At any rate, don’t you think the phenomenon of all the infighting is the natural result of a series of catastrophic losses? We have all these career politicians and pundits battling it out over the future of the party, as they try to find their way back to majority status. How can they get there, if not by spirited public argument?
Yes, some of the people involved are probably being hot headed, but who cares? It’s the open debate and willingness to question one another that makes the Republican party a party for actual human beings, rather than creepy, Kool-Aid drinking automatons.
Black people are so racist it’s beyond silly to not acknowledge it for what it is and Steele is a prime example of ‘biting the hand’. Pathetic.
I’m disgusted with hyphenated-Americans and their ilk.
B.0. has set back race relations by leaps.
Every time I see a brown/black person now I’m sickened and angry and I avert my eyes. Am I the only one who feels that? Maybe so but I’m sad in my heart that I even feel this way. It’s upsetting to feel so much disdain and disgust towards people I never felt anger towards before.
The O.J. Simson trial was bad enough but this ‘Pimp’ in da WH is livin’ large and making a mockery of the presidency. We have Chicago scum in the WH. The MSM are so wrapped up in their ‘Magic Negro’ that they don’t want to face what a dipshit he is?
UGH. Puke. Barf. Bleh.
Translation of Rick Moran’s heartfelt(?) concern about conservative infighting: spirited debate is the mark of health. Mr. Moran can suck back his crocodile tears. Conservatives are tearing each other apart? That’s a sign of vitality. It’s a sign that the marxist assault on liberty is infusing conservatism with life! Out of this turmoil a leader will emerge and a counter-tide will roll. Be of good cheer.
An old military tactic is “Divide and Conquer”. It seems to me the Liberals are doing just that. Will they triumph? Only time will tell.
Rick, Rick, Rick,
This article is disingenuous at best…
“The latest Rushism that has both conservative and liberal tongues wagging is his “I hope the president fails” remark that has now undergone its 112th reprinting and has been dissected, resected, and vivisected to the point that I challenge anyone to recall what Mr. Limbaugh’s original intent was in making that statement back in January.”
Come on man – whether you are a Rush supporter or not, this was made crystal clear and has remained so since the first utterance. The only “misunderstanding” of this statement has been intentional.
Allow me to paraphrase:
Rush: I don’t understand the universal lip service support for the President among people on the right who (on the other hand) say they understand the consequences of what he is trying to do. Do they actually mean that they support government takeover of the financial markets? Do they support socialized medicine? Do they support a trillion dollar “stimulus” bill that isn’t? Do they support cap and trade or card check? Do they support the wholesale remaking of the US in the image of European socialism? When you say that you want Obama to succeed – that is what you mean because that is what he means by success! Let me be the first with the guts to say it – I hope he fails! I hope these things don’t happen! I hope Obama fails because I want the country to succeed and I believe the two are mutually exclusive.
Rush Limbaugh (as a talk show host for goodness sake) is at the top of the conservative heap today for one and only one reason. There isn’t any one else. He has fallen into a leadership vacuum unlike any in my lifetime. He represents tens of millions of people who see no other representation. While Republicans are debating line items in the stimulus bill – no one (other than Rush) represents the people who believe the entire thing is destructive.
Rick, the point is this. Genuine conservative principle, clearly articulated, wins almost every time. Despite that, Republicans have become Democrat-lite. They debate line items instead of the entire premise of the catastrophe that is happening before our eyes. Some one on the right side of the aisle has to stand up and represent the people who see us turning a very scary corner and want it stopped. (Current Republicans just want a vote on where we stop for lunch on the road to ruin. No one has the guts to step on the breaks!) Until some elected leader decides to take that role, it will remain filled (as a temporary placeholder – I hope) by a talk show host, because there isn’t anyone else.
GDT
Rush Limbaugh is one of the very few rich Americans remaining who wants all Americans an opportunity to become as prosperous as he is, all the other rich Americans (Buffetts, Winfreys, Gates, Bloombergs et al) are evil creeps who by any means necessary are determined to keep the rest of America poor.
Go Rush, I would rather be free and poor than to get on my knees forced to suck the cock of the Slavemaster Government just because it offers me the false promise of free health care.
What good is free health care if all the good doctors end up on going to work privately for the Collectivist Billionaires (Buffets, Gates, Winfreys, Bloombergs et al) who can afford to pay the price.
Moderate, middle-of-the-roaders need to figure out if they want to be serfs enslaved under serfdom or living free in Liberty; hate Rush all you want Moderates however he is not the one turning you into mindless serfs.
“We could have done without all of this.”
Well yes we could have. But you know what? That’s the price the GOP is going to have to pay, until they GROW A PAIR. They’ve neutered themselves with the skill of a Veterinarian. And they have 4 years to grow them back.
The clock is ticking.
The only reason why there’s any rift on the right is because some refuse to admit what a major threat the idiot messiah is to our nation. Rush laid out the threat very concisely and many on the right are still trying to tap dance around any real assessment of BHO and the fact that he is trying to destroy this country – along with a whole set of policies that are designed to do exactly that. The fact that the moron in the White House has been delaying attacking the banking crisis, so that he can shove as much really expensive marxist cr@p on the nation (which will absolutely kill our economy and bankrupt us) is clear proof. ANyone who doesn’t want that sort of threat to this nation to fail is a fool.
For the hard of thinking:
Lenin succeeded.
Lenin’s policies all failed.
Russia went through decades and decades of hell because of Lenin’s success.
Russia would have been very lucky had Lenin failed. Not Lenin’s policies, since they were all failures, anyway, but Lenin, himself. That is the situation we are looking at and there are more than a few on the squishy right who can’t bring themselves to face reality and lash out at those who do.
It’s really not that difficult a concept.
Did this article have a point? Oh no! Rush upset a couple of “moderate” journalists and failed politicans! The Republican party is in shambles!
So instead of an internal debate we should all continue to enjoy the success Rinos like Spector, McCain, and Snowe have brought to the party.
5. GDT Wrote…
“”Rush Limbaugh (as a talk show host for goodness sake) is at the top of the conservative heap today for one and only one reason. There isn’t any one else. He has fallen into a leadership vacuum unlike any in my lifetime. He represents tens of millions of people who see no other representation. While Republicans are debating line items in the stimulus bill – no one (other than Rush) represents the people who believe the entire thing is destructive. “”
Absolutely correct, and you make better points in your comment than Mr. Moran does in his essay.
I would further add that the Republican party is the first object the conservatives need to focus on and reform, before we can do anything else. We must have a vehicle to implement our objectives, and that vehicle is a political party. The Republican party is broken, self serving (like Specter) and needs to be gutted. The crass pandering of putting Mr. Steele (not a very conservative conservative) in charge of fund raising was a step backwards, not forwards. The Democrats already focus on skin color before ability, we don’t need to start doing that too. We need to gut the party at the primary level, and shun the talking heads and opportunists like Ms. Noonan and her dinner party friends who backstab at their leisure.
Well, Rick Moran, extend your fondly loving embrace to those who have asked for a simple thing for months and months now, only to find a steady stream of derision and invective sprayed upon them. Those who ask a simple thing:
To have Obama’s birth records examined in a court with the powers of subpoena to witnesses who would be compelled to testify under oath and under cross-examination. That’s pretty simple, and no more a burden than any school cafeteria worker has to bear when that worker qualifies for a job and is asked to provide stamped official copies of a birth certificate and any other necessary supporting documentation.
Are you really a man of your words, Rick Moran?
It’s hard to take Rick Moran seriously. I recall his seeming annoyance at the Tea Party movement. God forbid the people should unite in denouncing tyranny. These grassroots things are so messy. The Republican party will continue to disappoint conservatives because that is the nature of the big egos who make it to Congress. The Democratic party will continue to disappoint classic liberals who miss JFK’s common sense. David Frum might have a future in Canada where the Liberal party needs some help. He’s become a joke to conservatives.
What we need, Ricky, is a wartime Consigliere.
You are Tom Hagen.
Your little essay is an exercise in the very self-immolation it purports to condemn.
I’d go to the mattresses with Rush. I’d shiver at the sight of you in the adjacent foxhole.
Grow a pair.
So many translators living in the Tower of Babel.
And the guy who “gets it”, Jeff G., isn’t getting through to people, because of the cachophony.
Let’s say together, slowly, repeatedly….words matter.
1)”Liberal” is one thing, …leftist another. Liberals are fine people, leftists have a diseased agenda. Mark the difference, infuse it into your brain, use the appropriate language. Identify the species and don’t be sucked into the misuse of how the issues are framed by people intent on getting you to do that very thing.
2)”Progressive”, see above paragraph. Are you kidding me? What is “progressive” about fascism and naked hypocrisy?
3)”Mainstream” media. What a collosal joke. I cringe every time I see this used. If you continue to address them with this salutation, you infuse the notion that THEY represent “mainstream” thought, while they continue to gangrape your information stream with distortions, half-truths, photoshopped pictures, and an inversion of the truth.
4)”Racism”…when is the last time you heard an entertainer of any skin shade make a frontal attack on anyone other than one race of people? Stereotyping in modern America is a Cardinal sin and “execution” offense…EXCEPT…if you are white, Christian, male.
The only manner in which to get absolution from this “original sin”, this blemish of birth on your soul, is to sell that soul to “the message”. Otherwise, you are a “coward”. And a racist. A homophobe. A warmonger.
If you let “mainstream” thought define you, frame your issues, …their perception becomes your reality.
4)”The rich”. Have nots who don’t fit neatly into the “victim tent”, who admire our military and put flags on their lawns are “trailer trash”. Have nots who accept the “message” as a sacrament, are free to attack “the rich”.
The only way to gain absolution from having made money in your life, is to tithe the “message”. You can be left alone as Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Oprah, a ketchup heiress or a movie star…as long as you feed the “message” beast. Otherwise, you are the enemy.
Officially starting at $250,000…but, in reality…if you live comfortably and don’t bow to the “message”…make no mistake, you are “the rich” and you are the enemy.
Let’s be clear on this…EVERY person who wishes to stand in defiance of leftist tyranny of thought, leftist tyranny of speech, leftist tyranny of taxation, leftist tyranny of information, leftist tyranny of our culture… has a common goal.
Rush and Ann Coulter are provocative. Others are thoughtful and genteel. Rush and Ann are no more the “head” of any movement, than say…Keith Olbermann is the representative voice of leftism. (or is he?) Or Ted Rall. Or Bill Ayers. Or Jeremiah Wright. (or are they?)
Rush and Ann are “opinionists”. It is high time that instead of seeking a “divorce” from their “style”…those who SAY they wish to don the uniform and join the battle against the gang rape of our information stream, ought to pick out what they AGREE with, when Rush and Ann plunge headfirst into the front lines of those who mean to distort, photoshop, provide enfilade fire for leftism and puff pieces and cover for a one party takeover of our government.
What Rick writes about here…and what Jeff G. brilliantly illustrates and is a MUST READ for everyone who is not a leftist…is …words matter. Concepts matter. Framing issues matters. Rush and Ann try in their own style…to BE PROVOCATIVE…in taking back the words, taking back the framing of the issues…taking back the infusion of confusion into the popular culture. If the only manner in which you have their back, is to stick a shiv in it…because, you can’t stand the heat from those who OWN “the message”, you aren’t much of a warrior. In fact, when the label “coward” comes out again, …grab a mirror.
Conservatives aren’t “feeding on their own”. (Unless you include this article)
I don’t see any conservative “being consumed.” Each one is still speaking their mind and, in the process, having a few arguments between themselves.
This article strikes me as wishful thinking and seems to be speaking on behalf of someone else–I’m not sure who.
The most deadly thing that can happen to a talk show host (any talk show host) is being ignored. He’s having a ball. I’ve listened to several Democrats’ phone calls to Rush’s program this week as they gratefully express their slowly awakening, reality-based thoughts.
Rush is doing what he’s done for over 20 years and making “obscene profits” all the while. He has never jumped the shark.
Considering all the names mentioned in the article, I say again: I don’t see any conservatives being consumed. (What was done to Caroline Kennedy last month is what you called “being consumed”)
“PATRIOTIC PABLUM”??? Now I’m just SURE the writer had some similar zingers to aim at Joe Biden when he talked about paying more taxes as the patriotic thing to do…..I must have just missed them.
There is no problem here. We are not tearing each other apart, but we are trying to find the leader with the best ideas. This is healthy, and will result in long term viability for the party and the country.
Bottom line–
There are ‘conservatives’ and there are republicans. The two are sometimes the same and sometimes not.
Limbaugh is a conservative, a teacher, philosopher, and of necessity an entertainer, because the entertainment quotient is a valuable way of bringing in more audience… and the larger the audience, the more people are exposed to the philosophy and the truths of conservatism.
If it were entirely up to me, I’d start a new party called the conservative party. Republicans would then disappear, as the non-conservative repub population is not large enough to sustain that party.
This kerfluffle over Limbaugh is a metaphor for the battle for conservatism. If we win, the repub party is conservative. If we lose, they are moderates. MODERATES NEVER WIN ANYTHING… ask McCain, who was conservative only on defense until he realized he couldn’t win without the cons. base, at which point he started talking about tax cuts and the people’s money and so forth.
The epic failure, so far, of the hard left liberalism of Obama will encourage conservatives, but also the moderates who will claim they’d do the same stuff only not as much. This is NOT principle. Conservatives, true conservatives, would have deluged the nation in tax cuts and simply suffered the temporary revenue losses in government for the good of the people.
But moderates are really just lib lite. Lib, in any form, is not good for THIS country, or for any country.
I keep coming back to this train wreck of an article writer for laughs. I can just imagine Moran smirking at himself as he posted this.
UTC announced 11,000 layoffs. The White House just put us deeper in debt. We’re supposed to get excited about the deliberate misrepresentation of what a radio talk show host said, at the instigation of a Democrat political operative?
How much does the DNC pay Mr Moran? I don’t care, I’m just curious.
Wow …. Rick are you really serious?
Why do people think the radio host is a polarizer?
Simple! People think Rush is polarizing because they are told he is by people like you.
Many Americans these days, have to be told what to think. They seem to feel that they are entitled not to think at all for themselves. The entitlement mentality has grown from, “I should get something for nothing” to, “I shouldn’t have to think about anything either”.
You certainly are feeding that crowd.
And as you state…
“Meanwhile, the right is eating its own, weakening itself with internal squabbles over “meaning” and “intent,” and fighting over whether a mega-celebrity speaks for a majority of conservatives.
We could have done without all of this.”
Oh my word Rick…
We could actually do away with the media and white house creating circuses. The great polarizer OBAMA started this circus Rick!
I thought the democrat party was the party of adolescent girls…. now you want conservatives to be that way?
So lets set the record straight
In all actuality, Obama is truly the polarizing figure.
Not only that, all the poseurs around him, or that have been around him, are or try to be.
It’s just that people like Katie Couric, and Oprah, don’t tell you THE ONE is, or his friends are polarizing.
So, now to set the record straight, and if you don’t get it you’re going to get eaten by us cannibals.
We now refer to B. Hussein Obama as “President B. Hussein Obama who is a polarizing figure………..” Anytime his name is mentioned, or written about, it will start that way.
Because he is the PROBLEM!
Not only that, all the poseurs around him, or that have been around him, are or try to be.
It’s just that people like Katie Couric, and Oprah, don’t tell you THE ONE is, or his friends are polarizing.
Get with it RICK!
But moderates are really just lib lite. Lib, in any form, is not good for THIS country, or for any country.
If ever there was a long term problem for Republicans, this is it.
I don’t self-identify as anything other than a GDI, perhaps an “issue-ist”…but if anyone ever followed this lead, it would take the Republican Party off the cliff. THIS…is a sure fire way to extinction, in my opinion.
My strong and unwavering distaste and disgust at the disease of leftism paved the road here, you keep putting up the toll booths like this…and that disinvitation does not need to be engraved. I would truly like to hear what others think about driving away all the “moderates” who don’t walk in lockstep to the echo chambers. As far as I’m concerned, this is simply a mirror image of all that is wrong on the other side. Perhaps those who are familiar with my comments would like to expand on this portion of the conversation…as to who is welcome and who is not…in the tent.
Not for nothin’ but all this talk ’round here ’bout ammo and revolution and militias and the military deserting their posts and joining ranks of the disaffected Right – you know all that “defend the Constitution” and restore the rights and freedoms of the American way” crap you chickenhawk poseurs spew . . . well take a good look at Alabama this morning. That’s what happens when one of you idiots decides to “make things right.” What is it with you clowns? What is this need you have to throw open church doors or stomp into a McDonalds and start firing your assault rifle? How’s this – next time you decide to “take action” and jump in the truck and drive down to the Little Big Store to “kill ya some”, do us all a favor – put a bullet in your head BEFORE you leave the house . . . you sick, repressed, ignorant, redneck cowards.
There are way to many RINO’s calling themselves conservatives. Newt is a prime example of that. Have you ever heard of Rush doing photo ops with Nancy Pelosi? Enough said.
When I think about this entire Rush Limbaugh thing, I think about the terrorists who hijacked the airplanes and slammed them into the World Trade Center.
1. They terrorists first infiltrated American society by trying very hard to look and act like regular Americans. Obama is doing the same thing. Obama has fooled people because he is clean cut and looks harmless. Thus, it is hard for people to believe that someone who doesn’t look like an evil radical is really an evil radical. This is where Obama is getting his edge, just like the terrorists who hijacked the airplanes and killed thousands of people.
2. The terrorists managed to take over the airplanes with box cutters! They didn’t have machine guns or grenades. They had box cutters. How? By working on the psychology of the people in the plane. They knew that one person would be afraid to stand alone and possibly get hurt. As long as they could scare one person from standing up to them, or take one person and make him an example of what could happen if they tried to stop them, then they could control the entire airplane. And it worked! The only instance it didn’t work was when the people on the plane headed for D.C. stood together and tried to stop the hijacking. They died, but they saved more lives than we can imagine and they are heroes. If someone on that plane knew how to fly it, it’s possible that these people could have survived.
This is what the Limbaugh thing is all about. Obama and company want to make examples of anyone who stands up to what he and his radical cohorts are doing. They are picking people one by one to make an example out of them, scare anyone else from doing the same, and thus gain control over all of us.
The lesson? We all have to be in this fight. We all have to support and stand up for every single person who stands against Obama. We can’t afford to let Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, or any other outspoken person go down or we all go down.
Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of their coalition of evil are using the same tactics that the terrorists used on those airplanes on all of us.
Whether you agree with Rush Limbaugh or not he is exercising his right to freedom of speech. Our President taking offense to what he says makes the President look really stupid! Now some politicians from the Republican Party have jumped on Obama’s bandwagon. Why are the afraid of Rush? Because he speaks the truth? Because he opposes Obama’s wish to ruin our nation?
Rick Moran, I see you in a position to start a real petition. Not defending what Rush said but defending his ability to say it! Or are we going to sit around and notice one day that the opposition to Obama’s goals are silenced….Rush and Fox News will be off the air and Ann Coulter and other such authors have their books pulled from book stores?
Whoever invented the question “Do you want the President to succeed?” should be given the Pulitzer Prize for Best Leftist Rhetorical Hand Grenade.
The point that even Mr. Moran doesn’t seem to get is that the question is a rhetorical trap, and I grudgingly admit, a brilliant and effective one. In one swoop, it sought to (a) neutralize criticism of the President, (b) promote sympathy for the President’s policies, no matter how loony and destructive, (c) appeal directly to the mushy middle that doesn’t think in policy terms, and (c) sideline conservative voices.
Mr. Limbaugh instinctively refused to play this game and tossed the hand grenade back. Unfortunately, too many conservatives still mistake the hand grenade for an apple and are fighting over it.
I think we need to remind everyone — left, right, and confused — that the question itself is a trap. It’s a way to herd people into a submissive posture and get them to accept Mr. Obama’s radical agenda — on the grounds that we all want him to “succeed”.
Anyone tempted to write about the “I want him to fail” story should repeat this ten times: “The question is a trap.”
BBB
21. the willies, Prejudice and proud of it, aren’t you? BTW did you hear about all of the crime and violence in the cities? Yep, those are the folks you associate with.
I’d take redneck man that knows how to survive and be a real man over some city thug or metrosexual liberal!
Rick Mor(o)an you are nothing but a RINO hiding behind your reputation as a ‘writer’(?). You are playing the same fiddle as all the other Obamessiah-heads.
We could do without the likes of you. One thing you are not is conservative. Do you hate America as much as BHO and wife?
I suppose I should be grateful for your diatribe because you have given me the glimmer of an idea. In my opinion, Rush and Newt are the two most astute conservatives. What if they should bury the hatchet and collaborate on a conservative plan to save our country, our liberty and the constitution? Wishful thinking, I suppose, but Steele isn’t doing the job – he’s a RINO, Rockefeller-style politician with a ‘why can’t we all get along’ philosophy, doomed to failure under a Leftist-Socialist leader like the Big O.
Your thoughts, anyone?
Congratulations Delia, you are now prime Klan recruitment material. One thing that David Duke and the KuKluxers were anticipating with the Obama presidency.
I’ll admit there are plenty of racist black people, but your two-dimensional boxing of all black folks is pretty disgusting and bigoted in it’s own right.
Syn:
“Rush Limbaugh is one of the very few rich Americans remaining who wants all Americans an opportunity to become as prosperous as he is, all the other rich Americans (Buffetts, Winfreys, Gates, Bloombergs et al) are evil creeps who by any means necessary are determined to keep the rest of America poor.”
Now that’s where you are wrong, sir. I see paid programming on TV every morning with rich Americans who want us all to be as prosperous as them. We just have to buy into their rhetoric…..just like Rush.
#2 Delia,
I cannot even accidentally brush up against a black woman on the street without her turning around and screaming at me. This has happened on the bus as well. It is racism pure and simple and they get away with it because we are so damned afraid to say anything.
Methinks “middlemen” get it from, and dispense it to, both sides, as it must be with one seeking comfort over all else. When they come to a fork in the road, they pick it up and eat whatever is in front of them. Their charges of “isms” seem to be directed mostly one way, though. Probably because their heads are squarely up the middle of themselves.
SLK…We all know the real reason you came back to Pajamas. It’s got to be a pretty somber place over there at the DailyKos and the Huffington Post. What do liberals crow about now that President Teleprompter is failing so miserably? Are you all back to saving the polar bears yet? Maybe it’s time to get back to work killing the unborn? I’m guessing the gay marriage ban could use some attention out there in CA. See, all is not quite lost for the liberal moonbats SLK! You can still find a cause if you just dig in that dumpster deep enough!
#21 the willies…. I think your dreadlocks are too tight bub. Guns are an American right, no matter what your ACORN adviser told you.
Grampa guy,
When I was young I dabbled in the far-left, but became disillusioned and moved closer to the right. The religious-right prevented me from ever going full-blown Republican.
The direction of -isms is going one way on here mainly because this isn’t a left wing site. I’m on here because I’m an avid reader of LGF and check out Pajama’s daily as well.
I think my accusations of certain isms are clearly valid though if you bothered to read the comments Delia made.
I would say that Sarah Palin was the canary in the coal-mine. Take a look at the hubris she received from CINO’s, after she was named to be
the running mate of McCain.
As long as the Washington elite can count on certain folk putting social status amongst the elite ahead of principle, then they have cut themselves off from what energized them (or so it seems).
For paying lip service to principle is as old as
the hills, and it is something that needs to be
the object of the light of objective scrutiny.
Laura and Delia:
“I cannot even accidentally brush up against a black woman on the street without her turning around and screaming at me. This has happened on the bus as well. It is racism pure and simple and they get away with it because we are so damned afraid to say anything.”
..why do you think that silly-assed Attorney General, Holder, called us a nation of cowards?
33.AThinkingPerson….thank you. I was trying to figure how to get at that. #21 is the one we would never want to have get hold of a gun. He gives me the willies, come to think of it.
What, pray tell, is the moderate, politically correct Republican agenda?
1.) Vanilla ice cream with assorted sauces.
2.) A willingness to trade favors in rolling the pork barrels.
3.) A “fair” debate followed by wine and cheese afterward.
4.) Solidarity on the big issues and a little healthy scrapping on the edges.
5.) Rigidly enforced rules for the country club and no sport shirts in the dining room.
6.) And your candidate would be …… ?
21. the willies: How do you know the Alabama killer was a republican? John Wayne Gacy was a Democratic Activist, contributor to the Jimmy Carter campaign and Killer of 33 boys and young men. Does that mean every democratic activist (AKA Acorn Activist) is a homicidal homosexual? Probably not dude. Go back to school and start thinking for yourself.
Middleman:
You still strike me as a young man.
#21 if you are paid to make stupid remarks then you earned your keep today. By the way, nice distraction from the point.
the second amendment is there to protect the people from the government. The founders knew that the government could be far more destructive than the incredibly rare nut case such as the one in Alabama.
Tragedies happen but it takes the media to pump something that happens a thousand miles away and make everyone afraid it will happen to them any moment.
Look at Britian now. Guns illegal. Now they are trying to outlaw knives, even points on kitchen knives. That is what happens when no one takes PERSONAL responsibilty and aren’t made PERSONALY reponsible by society for their own actions. Next they will want to outlaw cricket bats. Nerf everything, nerf freedom, it is dangerous.
The Republican Party needs to go on the offensive. President Obama and his administration have attacked a private citizen like no President has ever done. Whether you agree with Rush’s politics or not, if your an American you agree with his right of dissent. The White House needs to stop its relentless attack on private citizens and keep its focus of the plunging stock market and ailing economy. Americans Deserve Better.
38. David I can’t tell if your using sarcasm poorly or if you’re just not very educated? Please advise.
Are we falling in Obama’s trap. He criticizes Rush so we fall all over ourselves to justify or anathematize Rush. Rush is a man with an opinion. The politicians need to get down to governing and the political parties need to get down to getting candidates elected and the rest of us need to thumb are noses or the like to the Obama Gang.
Well I consider the early 30s to be young, and I would image you would too gramps. I still have plenty of time before for the marriage, kids, and no hope in hell for retirement.
Jeff K writes advice to the terminally stupid “willies”:
“Go back to school and start thinking for yourself.”
Jeff, that would be the last place he should go if he wants to start thinking for himself.
#14 — Stereotyping in modern America is a Cardinal sin and “execution” offense…EXCEPT…if you are white, Christian, male.
You’re not the first to claim this. You won’t be the last. But you have made a poster child statement of a major problem: the irrational persecution complex of the christians is what drives the “social conservative” movement and is the core of what divides the republican party.
On this thread alone there are charges against moderates (i.e. those who aren’t persecuted christian conservatives.) Funny how if you suggest that the GOP drop abortion or gay parriage opposition from being official party positions that the hue and cry is “throwing the social conservatives (i.e. christians) under the bus.” In short, “we christians are gonna dictate everything and if you dare oppose us we’ll scream that we’re being persecuted!”
Frum et al are correct in observing that the republican party will continue to be divided until such time as it stops allowing itself to be dictated to by the irrational.
Anyone who wants Obama to succeed is a traitor
Delia – Websters shuold refer to your post when they define racism
DELIA (#2), I´m not falling for that.
You are a left-wing provocateur.
The Limbaugh issue is completely a manufactured distraction created by the Dem leftists and their supporters in the media. Bill Maher says 10 times more repugnant and inane things in one show than Limbaugh says in 10 years, yet I see no great rush by the media to silence him and define the Democrats with his bizarre molevolent tripe.
The GOP and our elected leaders should stop falling for this stuff. They do not have to respond to (pro or con) things others say about him or ingratiate themselves to him and I don’t think he cares if they do. They should remind Obama and all the propagandists in the media that Rush was not elected to any office, appointed to any government post, and he does not hold a position in the RNC. Rush speaks for Rush. They should also remind everyone that when Obama and Democrat operatives (Jon Stewart, Everyone on MSNBC save Scarborough, etc.) try to make Rush the issue they are doing nothing more than distracting from their guys own failures and destructive policies.
The lack of confidence that is turning what should be a moderate recession into a depression are completely the making of this administration and this congress. They are the ones who make policy, not Rush, not Bill Maher, not Santa Clause.
Jeff K:
Oh.
No MR Moran: This fight was long overdue,and will serve as a catalyst,galvanizing conservatives ito purging the RINOS,and turning the GOP into a populist conservative movement.
Mr. Moran:
“Meanwhile, the right is eating its own, weakening itself with internal squabbles over “meaning” and “intent,” and fighting over whether a mega-celebrity speaks for a majority of conservatives.
We could have done without all of this.”
No, we need this rather badly, and it is to be expected after the GOP losing the Congress in ’06 and the White House in ’08.
At the least, a period of introspection and a inventory, at the worst, a purge of those who the movement perceives as having driven the ship aground.
From the tone of your piece, you may not care for Limbaugh. I am not exactly a dittohead myself, but I see no-one else of comparable stature coming out and crying foul about what the Democrats’ cabal are doing to our nation.
If you know of another personality who is so bold and forward about the cause, then feel free to call attention to him.
The White House has picked themselves a “politically correct” symbolic target…a white, hetero, middle-aged, well-off Christian male from the South, (who is, as even you admit), extremely effective at what he does.
Whatever disagreements I may have with Rush Limbaugh pale into insignificance compared to the differences I have with the Alleged Hawaiian and his Congresional cronies.
If Rush is besieged, then rally to his defense, because like it or not, he is carrying the banner for the rest of us.
The ratings for Rush Limbaugh have never been higher, he speaks a truth that cowardly eunichs fear, GOD BLESS RUSH and the truth he fearlessly speaks.
Disagree with your premise. If there is open fighting going on, it’s not necessarily a bad thing. A lot of weak ideological deadwood needs to be cleared out, and the public nature of it simply means that more conservatives and Republicans get to participate in the process. Ultimately the principles will be strengthened and the message more unified. I’d say, get in there and be part of it. It’s democracy, celebrate it.
As for me, I like Rush Limbaugh. He’s got a big, big microphone. Thank God he tells the unabashed truth.
46. Войска ПВО: I stand corrected
How come we aren’t talking about the real issue? Obama’s attempt to shut up a private person who opposes him? No matter what your political affiliation, this should bother you.
56. JoeF I’m in your camp. The Republican Party has always allowed dissent and has grown strong because of it. These are tough times for republicans because the media and pop culture have taken up political activism. The party can and will grow healthy and strong because of the debate. We just need to find our voice again. The Dem’s on the other hand are living in a house of cards, built on a foundation of firm allegiance. Their house will fall and when it does the media and pop culture will abandon their party like rats from a sinking ship. 2010 will be year of major gains for Republicans if we can find our voice.
58. Ms Attitude You make a very good point, Check out 42. JeffK
47. G Alston: You are confused. Conservatives don’t want our government supporting these issues. It’s not what government spending is meant for.
Wow, another hand-wringing “conservative” pundit. I swear I’ve seen this same column (different authors) a dozen times. Apparently, plagiarism isn’t the verbal sin that it used to be. When you come up with some original thinking, Mr Moran, please let us all know.
21:The Willies.
If a legal gun owner had been there the casualties would be much less. Would anyone besides our socialistic government condemn him/her? I think not!
30. Laura:
“I cannot even accidentally brush up against a black woman on the street without her turning around and screaming at me. This has happened on the bus as well. It is racism pure and simple and they get away with it because we are so damned afraid to say anything.”
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Laura, we are living in the new era of the ‘uppity’ negro who hates whitey and is PROUD to hate whitey.
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36. Войска ПВО:
“..why do you think that silly-assed Attorney General, Holder, called us a nation of cowards?”
Войска, I know, I know. We can’t discuss black racism or the very FACT that our POTUS and First *cough* Linebacker ‘lady’ is a ‘racist’…nooooooo. Shhhhh. Truth bad. Shut up, truth tellers. We’ll have none of that truth crap regarding our Douchebag Acorn A-hole and his Fugly wife. Noooo.
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50. El Gordo:
“DELIA (#2), I´m not falling for that.
You are a left-wing provocateur.”
El G, you could be right… I do provoke the lefties here to the point of hilarity at times.
The fighting is necessary. Conservatives know their ideas are not welcome in the repub party. Most repubs are looking for campaign support and votes from conservatives and want them to go away so they can play with the ‘big boys’ in D.C. Conservatives saw how their own were treated (Palin) and are no longer concerned with repubs if they are going to be a bunch of progressives.
You can burn down the repub party as far as I am concerned until they develope the principles of smaller government upon which this country is founded.
When people get tired of the dems ruining their lives, conservative principles will be popular again.
And yet you perpetuate the very thing you right about. I was going to say the very thing you complain about but your act of perpetuating it informs me that any complaint from you on the topic would be fake.
Delia,
Perhaps you have to deal particularly with black racism because you refer to them as uppity negroes.
You’d really hate me. I’m uppity and pass for white. Walking among you, undetected. Dating your daughters.
P.S. to 28. Middleman,
Nope. Nice try but I’d never get an invite to the KKK because I care about Jewish people [you know, those people who 0bama is ready to toss under is bus of bull caca]. Sorry to disappointchya, lad.
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-As to the topic… I think the ‘Righties’ are alive and awake in OZ and we are looking for a clear voice that can rescue us from this disgusting JOKE of an administration before it goes completely off the proverbial cliff. As many astute minded folks have pointed out, Rush L. is NOT a politician and his opinions ring true with a lot of people which has caused him to have great success. OOPS. I said the evil ‘success’ word.
Ann Coulter has also succeeded by expressing her OPINIONS. Gosh dag darnit! That ‘success’ word again?
While your bloviating, pompous, mentally challenged POTUS lives high on the hog whilst charging future generations down the creek without a paddle with the biggest Liberal Spend-’O'-gasm in history, some of us ain’t too happy about it.
Have a nice day,
Delia
67. Middleman:
“You’d really hate me. I’m uppity and pass for white. Walking among you, undetected. Dating your daughters.”
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“Pass for white?” That’s a strange statement and a self-hating one. How many Blacks would call you a ‘house negro’ by the very fact you can and do ‘pass for white’? Don’t you see the racism in THAT from your black brethren?
-And, my daughter [only child] is engaged to a German/English/Cherokee Indian. He’s a strapping, tall, handsome man.
If you want to hate me because I have an opinion that differs from yours so be it. That onus is on YOU, bro.
TomJW,
The Republicans need to go more centrist is there are interested in remaining a viable political party. There are independents out there like me who vote early and often, and who want a political party whose head isn’t shoved up the fringe kooks’ you know what. If the Republicans don’t make a move for us, someone else will. The time for a 3rd party has never been so right.
Now it turns out that Carville said the same thing about Bush prior to 9/11. I know that changes everything in the liberal mind, but I’m going to enjoy all the backpedalling and excuses.
Oops. I bet they wish they could take this ginned up controversey back.
Delia,
You can still be a bigot and like Jewish people. I like Jewish people too and believe in Israel’s right to exist and defend itself. However, I don’t believe in that just because of some twisted notion of pushing forward Revelation and the finally acceptance of the Jews believing Jesus Christ is their savior. Sounds like a nice smiley version of Convert or Die. Just like the radical Islamofascists.
72. Middleman,
You constantly evade and avoid the issue that our President and First Lady are RACISTS.
Are you going to defend Rev. Wright?
I’m waiting. *taps 6-inch stiletto heel*
Maybe being a ‘bigot’ is the new ‘black’ eh?
Rick’s article is the Moderate’s Lament. The worst of all sins is partisanship, and vigorous debate is seen as destabilizing rather than elucidating. This party needs to get it’s focus back, and we can’t do that until we air out our differences. If there is any time for this to happen, it has to happen now, before 2010 elections.
Can we wrestle with each other and still have the energy to call out Obama for his audacious agenda of “changing the face of America”? Sure, we’ve got plenty of conservatives who can chew gum and write at the same time.
It’s about principles – if we don’t have that figured out, then why waste our time taming Obama?
You have no proof Obama is a racist. He’s half white and raised by white grandparents! His wife I don’t know about, but I wasn’t voting for her. I would have actually voted for McCain until the Republicans screwed up and brought in Palin instead of allowing McCain to pick a moderate.
I’m sure as hell am not going to defend Rev. Wright. He’s like most Reverends and only cares about himself and his wallet.
If the bigot being the new black refers to the bigot being a minority, I sure hope so. The new dodo bird more like.
6-ince stiletto heels? I bet you walk like a baby giraffe in those.
Middleman @72
“Delia,
You can still be a bigot and like Jewish people. I like Jewish people too and believe in Israel’s right to exist and defend itself. However, I don’t believe in that just because of some twisted notion of pushing forward Revelation and the finally acceptance of the Jews believing Jesus Christ is their savior. Sounds like a nice smiley version of Convert or Die. Just like the radical Islamofascists.”
Parsing this statement carefully, we can get a window into the mindset of “Middleman.” He fears the Christian Right, and I would assume he thinks that the conservative movement is dominated by the Christian Right. This is a common impression that many of our younger voters have. Recent polling data suggests that the under-40 group in this country are somewhat hostile towards religion and are largely unconnected from mainstream Catholicism and Protestantism. They get the heebeejeebies about Evangelical Christians, thinking these people want to impose a kind of theocratic order on society.
As long as their are Christians in the tent who bring their values with them (even if they don’t get their wishes in the party platform) you are never going to get people like Middlemen to be inside that tent with the Christians. Even Christians who are not Evangelicals. The pro-life movement, even the less rigid shadings in that continuum, are viewed as dangerous. For these young people, we various shadings of Christians should check our values at the door or not be allowed in. Why? Because our values are utterly repugnant and repulsive in the nation now.
No one wants us. The Democrats certainly don’t want us, unless we subscribe to some shading of the Liberation Theology movement. A lot of Republicans don’t want us, because we turn people off.
Where do we go?
You mean that “typical white person” who he used as an example of white racist and threw under the bus even before the lunatic, Rev Wright?
The Precedent hates white people and is out to take REVENGE on them, and everything else that represents Western Civilization. Revenge is all he’s about (social and economic “justice”). This has been obvious from the start.
On top of that, he’s moron who probably scored 450 on the math section of his SATs (“profit and earnings ratio” … what a friggin’ moron).
I find Rush to be useful as litmus paper.
He seems to bring out all sorts of discomfort in not merely liberals, but anybody with concealed liberal inclinations.
I’d say that the GOP has a serious RINO problem (alphabet soup, no?) so the Rush hysterics can be helpful (not infallably) to reveal who is a RINO.
But, if only to frustrate the left, it’s passed time to drop the whole phony Rush business.
Rush is fine.
Rick What happened to the NutHouse?
Anyway, I think the thing people should remember is Rush wrote a book “The way things Ought to be”. That single handedly is the most brilliant strategy ever. So on the Air, he sits back, takes no guests to possibly counter his delivery and his content and then proceedes to remind the greatest generation and their non DFH children that America was once great and everything wrong is to be rested at the feet of the Liberals. Plain and simple for a man who has never run for any public office. When Bush was in office Rush protected the sanctity of the office of the President, while reminding people how great Reagan was, but never once questioned what Frist and DeLay were actually doing for the Conservative movement. Now Obama is in the office and he wants to remind people that all the things that have prevented conservatism from succeeding are the embodiment of Obama and his Liberalism agenda. Brilliant, no doubt. His ego, well that’s another story , but his strategy flawless.
#76 Fred
Allow me the “joke” (it’s a serious joke of course):
your final question, “Where do we go ?” must have been in the minds of the guys who then made a voyage on a little ship, the Mayflower…
The situation is truly bad if the same question must be asked again…
#76 fred:
“No one wants us. The Democrats certainly don’t want us, unless we subscribe to some shading of the Liberation Theology movement. A lot of Republicans don’t want us, because we turn people off.
Where do we go?”
I don’t know about you, neighbor, but I don’t plan on going ANYWHERE.
Let those who have been educated and indoctrinated to be ignorant savage worshipers of men seek out their own Coventry…or wander in the Sinai until their folly is revealed to them.
Divine Providence will see us to the Promised Land, even if it means little more than hoisting a new flag over own homes.
Notice the difference in response to attacks on Obama versus attacks on Rush:
With Obama, the full force of the Executive Branch is called upon to squelch the most modest disturbance in the Force (Obama’s Aura), such as David Brooks’ misgivings in the New York Times.
When Rush is attacked, he simply states he meant what he said and sticks to it.
It is substance over style, gentlemen.
Do you want to rule like Liberal Fascists (Democrats) or are you Republicans? The time to decide is NOW.
Great read. Rush is awsome. This all out assault on Rush by Obama is playing right into his hands. Just like Operation Chaos.
Fred,
You did a fairly accurate job on that one. I despise the religious right. In my view politics and religion should not mix. Politics is all corrupting and tends to corrupt those of the holy cloth more than others.
I very much believe most people on the religious right would like to install a theocratic government not unlike a Christian version of Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Afghanistan sans the hand/head chopping and hanging women from soccer goal posts.
Now, let me emphasize the word Religious Right. That does NOT mean Christians as a whole or Christians in general, but any religious group who wants to enforce their beliefs on others. Evangelicals? You betcha!.
It doesn’t mean I want to try to erase religion from American life or holidays like Easter and Christmas. It just means I want separation of Church and State. That’s it.
Barry “Mr. Conservative” Goldwater said the Republicans should stay away from the religious nuts and the Republicans should have heeded that warning.
To Jeff K . . . I DIDN’T say the Alabama shooter was a republican. I said he was a sick, repressed, ignorant, redneck coward. Subtle difference.
Why did you assume I said he was a Republican?
Good points, fred.
The funny thing is that many RELIGIOUS people are DEMOCRATS. A good chunk of Blacks and Hispanics are Christians/Catholics/Jews.
When a Repub is ‘religious’ in any way/shape/form it’s instantly painted as WHACKO and WRONG.
My holy-roller, speaking in tongues LEFTWING nut mother was a DEMOCRAT.
Face it, Dems are hypocrites to the umpteenth degree and when they are faced with the undeniable truth they hem, haw and change the subject.
BTW, I think my 6-inch stiletto flustered a certain someone. Nyuck!
85. one of my own:
“Why did you assume I said he was a Republican?”
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‘one of my own’ aka ’21. the willies’,
Changing usernames again, genius? How quaint, you little wuss.
-And, I think you’re backtracking now since we know you ASSume that anyone who can lock-n-load must be a ‘winger’…just like you ASSume that a political cartoon involving a crazed chimp MUST be about the current POTUS.
Go back to your basement and cook some more meth.
84. Middleman: Glad to hear you don’t clump all Christians into the same pile. I too agree with complete seperation of Church and State. I drive my mother crazy by saying that the manger scene has no place on the steps of our state capital. A lot of us on the right believe the same. I have to very agnostic friends who consider themselves very Conservative. It’s not about imposing Christian beliefs on others, it’s about the Christian faith receiving the same amount of respect as Islam does. God forbid anyone speak evil of Islam but it’s okay to slam a Christian! A lot of issues the Federal Govt has taken on that Christians take offense to are viewed as Christians trying to impose their beliefs. Look at how Sarah Palin governs Alaska…has she shoved Christianity down the throats of Alaskans?
87. Delia:
85. one of my own:
“Why did you assume I said he was a Republican?”
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‘one of my own’ aka ‘21. the willies’,
Changing usernames again, genius? How quaint, you little wuss.
-And, I think you’re backtracking now since we know you ASSume that anyone who can lock-n-load must be a ‘winger’…just like you ASSume that a political cartoon involving a crazed chimp MUST be about the current POTUS.
Go back to your basement and cook some more meth.
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Delia, you’re alright in my book! I’ll be back just as soon as I clean up the coffee I spit all over my keyboard after reading your last post… Give ‘em hell!
84.Middleman
If you don’t want Christian beliefs foisted on the unsuspecting public, why on earth would you want to leave Easter and Christmas in place?
Very inconsistent.
Christmas is the report of the incarnation of the Son of God on the face of the earth. Easter is the celebration of His resurrection from the dead after His substitionary death for the sins of mankind.
Seems to me you might want to think through the multitude of opposing positions you are attempting to hold simultaneously and make some choices. Otherwise, you might hurt yourself.
BTW, I (a dreaded evangelical, I suppose) have absolutely no interest in a theocratic government or more specifically a “Christian government”. Christianity, unlike Islam, is not designed to be both a religion and a totalitarian form of government.
Put away the shotgun. Decide exactly who you wish to shoot and perhaps get a different weapon.
middleman, you will get no joy here my friend. I agree that the relgious nutcases are a weight at the neck of the GOP. Who wants to vote for someone who is taking their orders from a 2000 year old desert tribes book, who thinks our complex problems can be solved by messages on golden plates, who wants to impose their own sexual neurosis on the rest of the world. Do you really want to be the party of the homeschooled fundies.
Then again if you let an openly bigoted thing like delia drive your policy I look forward to you fading into insignificance. Enjoy being left behind (no pun intended).
88. Ms. Attitude,
Amen. I don’t want ANYONE’s spiritual beliefs shoved down people’s throats including my own but I don’t want to know my tax money is going to pay for something that is completely amoral [religion] or not.
Hmmmm. Maybe I won’t pay taxes now based on my religious beliefs. I keed, I keed! -But, can you imagine what a crazy court case that would make?
89. fireyourguns,
I’m glad I gave someone a chuckle today at the very least.
89 fireyourgubs . . . Let me ask ya sumpin . . . Dude down Alabama way . . . seems that fella done took your screen name to heart . . . good advice, I’m sure you’re proud . . . they say he fired some 200 rounds . . . what is it, 10 dead? . . . whatcha think he was usin? hollow points? wad cutters? Think he might a got a few more kills if he’d of used full metal jackets? Hey, I got it, let’s say he loaded up some plus loads and lined up his sites to go straight THROUGH the baby and into the mother, that woulda saved a round right there. Whaddya think? And McLendon, think he was a staunch defender of the second amendment? How ’bout givin us your expert opinion on the ballistics of tragedy.
I really don’t think the repubs are in as much disarray as you would LIKE to think. If anything we are getting a little more unified by the looks of the blogs. … and this worries you libs to no end! I for one am not worried about who the “leader” of the party is. I am more worried about the
“Leader” in the white house. He is worrying liberals to. This so called President is doing more to unify the republicans than any Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin or Bobby Jindal put together ever could !
85 one of my own your wrote “I never said the Alabama Shooter was a Republican”
Did you write in #21 under “the willies:
“Disaffected Right” “Chicken hawk Poseurs”, “That’s what happens when you idiots decide to make things right”, “You clowns”, “you sick, repressed, ignorant, redneck cowards.” as a reference to all Americans or as a reference to Republicans? You were inferring that the shooter was a Republican and I’m tired of all the drive by insults
So I repeat, John Wayne Gacy was a Democratic Activist, contributor to the Jimmy Carter campaign and Killer of 33 boys and young men. Does that mean every democratic activist (AKA Acorn Activist) is a homicidal homosexual? Again, No I don’t think so.
I won’t engage you to try and change you mind that will never happen. Your mind belongs to an ideology not to the truth, it’s not yours too change. But I do take exception with your inference to all republicans are back woods rednecks with shot guns and bibles shouting “yea haw” and “praise Jesus” as we molest little boys and spew racial slurs. It stops here and it stops now! No more of your moronic inferences that have no credible basis. Republicans are disciplined, religious, educated, traditional people and we are not ashamed of those traits. If you have something substantive to say then say it and defend your point, but if you’re going to come here and insult everyone then don’t waste our time anymore.
Truth of Life #1 – “the foundation of liberalism is dishonesty”
G Alston@47
Moderates in a struggle between good and evil are moral cowards, and often hinderances to both sides.
Delia,
Let me preface what I am about to write with an admission. I think Roe v. Wade should be allowed to stand. I know of, from family and acquaintances, of two verifiable instances of women whose pregnancies were terminated because to continue with the pregnancy would in all probability endanger her life. Husbands bereft of a wife and children without a mother. The priest said, “The mother’s life has priority.” And so did their husbands. Now, let me also state that I take this position only because it involved saving a life. A hard choice, but someone’s got to make it, and I think it was the right choice. However, my views are not necessarily supported by the Church’s, so others on this board can call me a bad Catholic all they want. I don’t care.
I am opposed to abortion as a means of birth control, but I don’t have control over the lives of women who want to practice birth control in that manner. And in this society, it’s not going to happen. I don’t even want control over their lives. They, and the men/boys who put them in that position have to answer to God for what they’ve done.
The best solution is the one in which, within our respective church traditions, we ramp up our intellects and do a better job of explaining the pro-life position and the principles behind it. We must inculcate in our young a serious appreciation for the wisdom of this. They can then make their own decisions. It may be that the surrounding culture will win that argument, but at least we will have made our case in the best effort possible.
Now, much of the animosity towards us conservatives is the fact that among us are people who do draw on our faith traditions. And we stand for things that are inconvenient among the hip, cool, and young who want to live like young European hedonists. That does not mean that we who are anchored in religious traditions are going to impose a theocracy on our young people. And the idea that we are against sex and the erotic is a hoot. I’m a married man and neither my wife nor I experience anxiety about our amorous liaisons. I most definitely do think that the European hedonist lifestyle is a crappy one and that it reduces human beings to the status of objects present to consciousness. It does corrode what remains of some semblance of morality, and leaves in its wake cynicism and a low opinion of the human being. But if our young people want to go there, then we can’t stop them. Let them decide for themselves.
But these “moderates” are so jealous of guarding their sense that there should be no other voices counseling other opinions about the way we live our lives, that they almost want us banished from the scene. We’re an uncomfortable presence. We just don’t want the government to actively promote immorality. That’s all we ask for.
And I am all in favor of keeping church and state separate. But let us bring our values to the discussion and dialog.
BTW, I became a conservative not primarily on the social issues. It’s mainly on defense policy and foreign policy. Next, economic policy. I try to quietly live my traditional Catholic values and I don’t impose them on others. And I believe that I have a place in the conservative tent, and reject the notions held by some moderates that people like me should be shown the door so that the Republican Party can be hip, cool, and young in order to appeal to our young Euro-wannabe’s.
#86 Delia:
“BTW, I think my 6-inch stiletto flustered a certain someone. Nyuck”
Perhaps it’s because a certain someone can’t find a pair in his size…?
And blames it all on the Reelijus Rite!
93. Delia:
Good luck trying to convince the mentally ill liberals what reality is. You’ll need medication stronger than theirs, if you keep that up.
Obama threw out the bait and Rush fell for it, took it hook line and sinker. they knew he would and so now the discussion on who is right and in charge. the religious right is to hardcore, no the moderates are to liberal. conservative vs republican, and what does it mean. Delia obviously can’t see anyone dark skinned in the conservative movement and others see Micheal Steele as a manchurian candidate. talk about color, no we are cowards because the AG said so, and of course he speaks for me because he said so. why did Rush give those words and the speaker of them so much importance? I see victimhood is creeping up to the angry white dudes, everyone is blaming me….. if the complaint has merit then some introspection and self correction is in order, it is a good thing to be right, and if it just whining so as to gain advantage, please be so kind as to kick it to the curb where all the other bullshit resides. the reference to the shooting in Alabama, and guns, may i be so kind as to refer you to the Palestinian who went on a rampage and hurt two policemen, and was promptly shot dead by an armed taxi driver. that’s what i call gun control. lets not get all excited and start mixing and heaping all issues together. lets sit down and sort them out. its Obama stupidObama.
John from Cincinnati,
I don’t know any other conservatives in my circle who are against black people and are against Michael Steele being the RNC. I think it was a good choice, in fact. I like Mr. Steele and I think he’ll be good for the Party.
I listen to Rush sometimes and I agree with him a lot. On everything… no. He’s not the leader of the Republican Party and he doesn’t see himself that way. I don’t see him as the leader of the Republican Party.
And James Carville, the snake that he is, took Rush’s comments out of their context. When you fill it around those words, he’s saying he is opposed to socialism and socialist policies.
But Bernie Goldberg is right. They are going to take those few words and sell them to the dopey, the credulous, and the ill-informed. Savvy, informed people (even Democrats in the know)will know exactly what is going on. Unfortunately, the savvy and informed are not the majority of the adult population. Which leads us to my final point.
This battle, in a sense, has already been won by the Left, because of the Gramscian “long march through the institutions.” Proof of this is the academic eminence of Billy Ayers and the many thousands like him in our universities and colleges throughout the country. The kids come out of their 12 years of education and then 4+ years of college/university damn near lobotomized socialists, without even knowing the provenance of the ideas in their heads. I know all about this because I was once, briefly, an academic who taught intro. philosophy to college freshmen when I was in a graduate program. Now I wasn’t doing any indoctrinating, but I knew professors who were. That was back in the mid-Eighties. It got ramped up big time during the Nineties on down to this day.
The kids are already predisposed to disliking anything “conservative.” Without even understanding it. I’m a father of two young teenage daughters, so I’ve been around lots of young people and I know what’s happening.
I’m sorry I dont have a dog in your fight however, I can believe that a good proprtion of “consevatives” on this thread are not sickened by Delia, indeen many of you seem to want to support someone who hates brown and black and hispanic people, who calls people uppity negros etc. Why (and I’m asking this in good fairth) would you want to be associated with such beastly and ignorant and shameful attitudes? Perhaps the reasons might give you some understanding about why you have lost 60% of the vote and your international reputation.
Scuse the odd typos, from the comments here I thought I had strayed onto Hal Turners right wing white sheet web site.
Only FAKE Republicans disagree with Rush who is a Reagan Conservative. We wouldn’t be in this mess had RINOs been real limited government, fiscal Conservatives.
We must demand it: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conservative-leadership.html
Delia,
Don’t try to flatter yourself. You should stick to sandals.
You’re right that there are plenty of religious people who are Democrats. The difference is that those people aren’t trying to impose their religious beliefs through political action groups. Right now in Texas we have them trying to push for Intelligent Design to be taught in schools in a bid to take out the Theory of Evolution
Ms. Attitude,
I’ll admit when it comes to Islam, there is very little I respect or like about that religion. Apart from the Sufis and the idea that torment in hell is only temporary, it’s basically nothing more but a front for Arab imperalism with backward pre-Islamic tribal paganism thrown in for good measure. I’d love for the West to put it on notice, but we won’t get that. Political correctness is a killer.
Sarah Palin might not shove her crazy Pentacostal ways down Alaska’s throat, but she has no business being near the White House. Can you Republicans find a candidate that remotely seems intellectual? I’m really sick of these folksy candidates.
Meryl,
I don’t want to eliminate Christmas and Easter because they are existing holidays. I have nothing against them. Yes, they are Christian, but Christmas also has ties to paganism, as do many of our holidays. Next Christmas be sure to leave a stocking on the mantle for Odin.
You may not want a theocratic state, but there are plenty in the religious right who would like it. If you don’t think so, look into Dominion Theology. They are no friends of democracy.
96 Jeff K . . . No, YOU were inferring the shooter was Republican, I was implying nothing beyond what I wrote.
You say “Republicans are disciplined, religious, educated, traditional people” . . . well except for the ones who aren’t . . . David Vitter, Mark Foley, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Mark Furman . . . the is too long. As for my comments, I feel free to make them. They serve a purpose – to drive notice of the hypocritical, self-righteous circle jerking that goes on here as an example of the Right’s mindless derision of all things different from your narrow sphere of experience.
This already started during the campaign, what are you talking about? Wasn’t the savaging of Sarah Palin a sign that the conservative base was splintered, or how the primary split? I’m not sure what to call this movement, but there is a splinter sect of conservatives that are closer to the chattering class in loyalty than the conservative party.
Frum was a blow though. Parker and Noonan were bad enough, but for a conservative writer I respected to become a shill for obama’s attack on rush is betrayal of the worst sort.
This is nothing. Let me tell you what is something. Obama not only owns the economy but right out of the gate destroyed it. Every day people look at their 401k statements and personal situations. They don’t think, “that damned Rush.” Increasingly, they don’t think “that damned Bush. More and more they think “Obama.” That will be “that goddamned Obama” by the end of the summer. This talk show distraction didn’t help but it came at the best possible time. As millions suffer because of our Economic Illiterate-in-Chief, look for Democratic congresscritters and senators to run from Obama in 2010. He will be their Rush. And it won’t work.
I know you may not like it, Moran, but we are poised to win pretty handily next cycle because our president is a complete fool and incompetent at the worst possible time. You may want to win on a grander theme but I’ll take kick the bums out.
107 Middleman
I’m aware of Dominion Theology.
My point was simply that persons who might be considered “evangelical” or “religious right” should not be presumed to reflect what’s presented in Dominion Theology.
Your statement was “I very much believe most people on the religious right would like to install….”
Since we have freedom of religion and the use of the ballot box, we (just like the purple people eaters who worship spotted owls) also have the right to attempt to elect people who reflect our views, but that does not mean we favor the installation of a theocratic government.
“…that I challenge anyone to recall what Mr. Limbaugh’s original intent was…”
Only for the mentally challenged.
This is a fight between the elitist strain and the bubba strain of the conservatives. The elitists now have severe buyers remorse over The Won. (C Buckley, Frum, et al) The bubbas got it right and it pisses the elitists off no end. Good on it! Us bitter clingers have more sense than the Ivy Leaguers. The graduates of State U have more sense than those who spent big bucks for what? A snooty alma mater?
Ya’ll are no loss. Go join the dhimmicrats where you really belong. Tools.
The problem is that the writer does not know the definition of or how to recognize a conservative. The easiest to recognize conservative characteristics is the unyielding principles of miniscule taxation, the smallest of government that is subordinate to the people, individual freedom and responsibility being the rule of the day, and the fortitude to speak it often and loudly.
Look around, those you name as conservative act like scared children. They fear to stand on conservative priniciple hoping to not offend anyone. On the other hand Rush if vocal and pushy since he expects those who claim to be conservative to act like one. Here is one simple test. If you believe even one particle of the Man Made Global Warming/Climate change propaganda then you are not conservative, just a scared Republican that has helped lead the party into oblivion. For one, I hope the Republican go the way of the Whigs so that Conservatives can make a clean break. Principle rules over winning and losing.
#112 — The elitists now have severe buyers remorse over The Won. (C Buckley, Frum, et al) The bubbas got it right and it pisses the elitists off no end.
You have things backwards, as do most idealogues. The “elitists” understand that Obama didn’t win so much as the “bubbas” lost. The electorate leans right on meaningful issues: defense, economy, foreign policy, and so on. The electorate trends more liberal on ‘social’ issues (the things that don’t matter as much.) The “elitists” didn’t want Obama, so “buyer’s remorse” isn’t even remotely applicable.
The overall problem with idealogues is that they conflate social issues with the meaningful ones and posit that a centrist stance on social issues is equivalent to a desire for communism. The “bubba” stance is just silly: if you’re not for jesus then you must be a commie. The “elitists” know this. The “bubbas” do not.
The surefire way for the republicans to continue losing ground is to let the “bubbas” dictate terms. The “elitists” see this for what it is.
#113 — If you believe even one particle of the Man Made Global Warming/Climate change propaganda then you are not conservative, just a scared Republican that has helped lead the party into oblivion.
You just pegged the moronometer. Congratulations.
If you don’t understand that man contributes to a changing climate then you’re simply a clueless idealogue. Man’s contribution is measurable and it is well proven. It’s a fact. That said, man’s contribution seems to be small enough that mitigation attempts are expensive and pointless. There’s a difference between understanding stuff and dealing with it rationally and simply making pronouncements that things not within your belief system are not real by definition.
Your statement is little more than a poster example of how it is that the left can successfully paint members of the right as scientifically illiterate imbeciles.
The way you defeat socialists is by understanding the science they want to base policy on.
108. one of my own:
I’ll ask again. If you have substantive things to say then say it and back up your argument with facts. I’m tired of the baseless personal attacks.
I’ll start:
“Unions are Destroying American Corporations”
-The US Steel industry was bankrupted by Unions.
-US Auto Industry is bankrupt because of high labor, legacy cost and legendary poor
craftsmanship of the UAW.
-US Educational system is one of the poorest in the world because of the Teachers
Unions. Additionally, because the state regulates education the teachers union is illegal.
You answer by saying “You respect my opinion but you’re wrong because…” {add facts here} No insults allowed or personal attacks just a debate with facts. Come on…I made it easy for you!
Nice. PJ Media readers hit a new low. You guys don’t even believe one of your own, when you don’t like the message. Convenient how Moran is all-of-a-sudden wrong about everything and wasn’t even a true conservative to begin with. Making the rules up as you go along must be nice
116. someone75 Need some point of reference?
I say let these conservative types snipe at each other. It’s so much fun watching people make fools of themselves. Meanwhile Obama will help this country move forward instead of wallowing in stagnation or worse.
Rick,
As for your challenge for “anyone to recall what Mr. Limbaugh’s original intent was in making that statement back in January”, I’ll take you up on that.
THis is the gist of Rush’s message:
“Since Obama’s policy is to transform our Democratic Republic into a Socialist nightmare, you’re goddamned right I hope he FAILS.
Stop criticizing me for pointing out the obvious and start focusing on how we can make sure the Socialist-in Chief, who isn’t about to “change” his mind, doesn’t succeed.”
Get it?
115 Jeff K . . . Sorry, I didn’t see any facts in your post, just wild uninformed whining. Get back to me when you have a fakt.
Will the last Rushpublican leaving all this negative chaos, please close the door behind him.