Twisting History to Protect Bill Ayers
Last week, civil rights icon and Georgia Democrat John Lewis launched an attack against Republicans.
He stated that when critics pointed out the long web of relationships between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, it was “sowing the seeds of hatred and division.” Lewis then took a step further, making the incendiary comparison of John McCain to the segregationist governor of Alabama, George Wallace.
During another period, in the not-too-distant past, there was a governor of a state of Alabama named George Wallace who also became a presidential candidate. George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their Constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.
The bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church by Klansmen was a horrible crime brought about by unreasoning hatred. This is not in dispute. We must wonder, however, what Lewis would have thought about the little girls and boys and mothers and fathers that would have died in another hate-fueled bombing just seven years later in Detroit, had a much larger attack not been foiled.
Several weeks ago, I wrote a post for Pajamas Media on what might have happened the night of March 6, 1970, if a small group of left-wing radicals had been a bit more competent in their bomb-building. If that cell of the Weather Underground had been a little more lucky — or a little less careless — many of us may have grown up referring to 3/6 the way we now refer to 9/11.
What I did not know at the time that I wrote that article was that this was not the first attempt by the Weathermen to commit mass murder.
A month prior, in February 1970, Barack Obama’s political mentor Bill Ayers plotted multiple attacks against the officers of the Detroit Police Department. He didn’t care that one of the bombs he was planning to use would be placed in such a way that it “could easily kill” the patrons of a nearby restaurant that catered to an African-American clientele.
Such sentimentality was “unrevolutionary.” The 44 sticks of dynamite would be used despite the fears of a military “expert” within the group (FBI informant Larry Grathwohl) that collateral damage from the massive blasts could kill the innocent diners nearby.
Recruited into the Weathermen, who valued his limited military experience, the Cincinnati resident worked with Ayers. Grathwohl found Ayers hard to love; he seemed self-important, a controller of subordinates, the type who loved to give orders. Ayers was a key leader. Grathwohl, a government informant, wrote that Ayers had helped direct a pair of attempted police building bombings in Detroit in February 1970. After doing his assigned job in reconnaissance, Grathwohl disagreed with Mr. Ayers over the placement of one bomb, which could easily kill black patrons who favored an adjacent restaurant, but that Ayers dismissed such sentimentality as unrevolutionary. The informant was glad to be dismissed from the operation by Ayers. Forty-four sticks of dynamite were then formed into two bombs and put into place, before Grathwohl’s information allowed police to dismantle both. Ayers’ memoir — which freely admits to incompleteness — says nothing of this episode, or Detroit, or the month of February 1970.
Just 19 sticks of dynamite killed Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, and Cynthia Wesley in Birmingham and injured 22 others. Those four little girls murdered by angry bombers in the 16th Street Baptist Church became a rallying cry for the civil rights movement in 1963.
Gee, where was Obama on the night of the 1983 Brinks heist. And while we are at it, maybe we should check on his wife’s movements at that time. I mean, you can’t be too careful. And on another point, I like the good sense of Sarah Palin — maybe only real Americans from real America should get the real vote. And can somebody tell me: Joe the Plumber, was he one of the Watergate plumbers by any chance?
moosefur, the point is not whether Obama was there or even alive at that moment in time. The point is that Ayres has not changed his spots. He is simply seen by the simplistic on the left as less of a radical and more one of themselves. He still hates the United States and all it stand for. He is still an unreconstructed Marxist at heart. As the old saying goes, a man may be judged by the company he keeps, and some of Obama’s company is a pretty slimy lot.
1. moosefur:
” — maybe only real Americans from real America should get the real vote. ”
Define “real America”.
To me and 300 million, all citizens are real Americans, like it or not.
By “moosefur” you mean you live in the ex-Russian territory of Alaska?
Are you referring to North, Central and South America?
2. Spinoneone:
As far as I know, Ayres and others were fighting governments supporting a war in Vietnam that was killing thousands of innocent people, and the military brass doping of the troops. That’s what George Washington did in the 1770′s. Fighting vicious governments. Just happened that the Weathermen were not successful. They were using the wrong tactics for the era. He changed his ways and now is a respected professor. So, pipe it down and go cook your frijoles.
The Chicago Magazine 2001 photo of Ayers standing on the American flag says it all.
Ayers hates everything America stands for. He now wages his war by corrupting the education system.
Bob, outstanding work as usual. There comes a point when all the dissembling about being 8 years old needs to be exposed. Perhaps the following hypothetical conversation that should have taken place, but for a corrupt entrenched media might be illustrative.
“Senator, you wish to be elected by the American people and to serve as our Commander in Chief, to swear to uphold the Constitution, against all enemies foreign and domestic, to act as the guardian of our laws and that you take this oath freely without mental reservation or purpose of evasion, correct?”
“Yes, of course.”
“Senator, if you found during your tenure as our Commander in Chief that a husband and wife had conspired to bomb the Pentagon, bomb the Capital Building, plant a nail bomb against your troops at Ft. Dix in order to maim, blind and murder your innocent troops and their dates, announced that they were anarchists hoping to bring down the government and overthrow it by revolutionary means…what words would you use to describe them and their ideology and what would you advocate be done with them?”
“I would find the acts deplorable, reprehensible, and would condemn them in the strongest terms”.
“Yes, Senator, thank you…so would every man and woman with a conscience. However, that doesn’t really answer the question. It is not merely the acts, but the ideology that is the basis of the question. If, during your tenure as our leader, you were tested not only by foreign agents seeking to destroy our government, but by admitted domestic anarchists who attacked police officers, our men and women in uniform, Average Joe Brinks truck drivers, in order to undermine our government, our military, our law enforcment and our free market way of life, would you confront that ideology head on in order to protect those institutions under attack?”
“Those acts are criminal and should be handled by the local police or FBI, however, the prosecution of those folks should also follow all the laws that we are sworn to uphold. Yes, I believe that anyone who commits a violent crime and is proven in a court of law to have done so, should be punished within the confines of the law.”
Yes, Senator. So would any man or woman with a conscience, but that still evades the question. Let us ask you this, upon finding clear and unequivocal evidence of a conspiracy to commit violence against our flag, our country, our Pentagon, our Capital, our troops, our police…and an admission of intent to continue such an ideology , how would you view someone, as our Commander in Chief, who decided to work to fund the furtherance of those activities? After your administration, in our example, is attacked by violent means, your troops are targeted for murder, your associates in the Congress are threatened with bombs, your military advisors and innocent workers at the Pentagon, …were all attacked by violent means…how would you view those who shared the ideology that promoted violence against your administration, your government, your flag, your way of life?”
“Would someone who shared an office, executed acts in furtherance of their ideology as chief executive officer and board member, funded millions of dollars to aid and abet their ideological cause, wrote a postive blurb about their books and literature, gave every impression of being a fellow traveler giving aid and comfort in support of that ideology …would that be a person of interest for you in the protection against all enemies, foreign and domestic?”
“It would depend upon the totality of the circumstances. Merely serving on a board with someone isn’t proof of conspiring to commit violent acts. I have deplored violence my whole life. I’ve never held or shot a gun, I haven’t served in the military or been trained to commit violence. Sometimes organizations have dual purposes and one side does good things and the other side not so good. So, in that regard a non-violent person in a violent organization could be completely blameless.
“You mean, like bean counters in Al Capones’s mob? If you are not in the “muscle” side of the business, you aren’t really aiding and abetting the cause? Again, Senator, we must insist that we address the point at hand. You keep focusing on the acts and we keep asking you about the ideology. Anarchism, plotting with intent to overthrow our system of government, consorting with known enemies, giving enemies aid and comfort, financing indoctrination of our youth toward hatred of this country and its people, would a person who espoused that intent and acted in furtherance to assist in implementing it, be a person of interest to you as our Commander in Chief and protector of our laws, our flag and our way of life?”
“It is important that we allow every American the right to dissent and to engage freely in the expression of ideas. Even if we don’t like what they have to say. We should not, we must not, strangle that expression and repress it, because sometimes change is positive…and we learn from openly listening to divergent points of view. Now, again, I reiterate that violence is not the answer in almost any and every situation. But non-violent, even angry speech, is allowable and in fact, deserving of all the protections that we can afford. A brief encounter or some transient and fleeting association with bad people, is not itself a crime”
“It’s good to hear that you believe in not suppressing divergent views. Do you believe that the guardians of our information in the media should be actively suppressing views, distorting them, hiding facts and forging evidence in order to advance a political agenda of one side of a debate, then Senator. I mean, when the refs are crooked in your favor…is it ok to sit on your hands and let the system of information be corrupted…because, after all, why point at a crooked ref if he is calling all the penalties on the other side and swallows his whistle when you have the ball, right? The game may be fixed, but if it’s fixed in your favor…no harm, no foul?
And, let’s get back to our original point, Senator. In our hypothetical, domestic anarchists have attacked and plotted to attack your innocent troops and their dates at a dance, bombed the Pentagon, bombed the Capitol, bombed police stations. Would you elevate the ringleaders to positions of in loco parenti status as teachers of our youth? The still, to this moment, hold the same anarchist ideology and intent. Would you grant them prominent status in our system of higher education, with their admitted intent to indoctrinate impressionable youth in their belief system of radical extremism? These are folks who intended to murder innocent people, take down your government, destroy your administration. Should we be proud of the universities and institutions that elevate them to “mentor” status of our schoolchildren and young adults? Do you advocate teaching young people to hate, inciting antagonism and rage against your administration and your best attempts to keep us safe, do you think that’s a supportable ideology for a domestic terrorist to keep alive?”
“Teaching people to hate is not something I support or ever have supported. Teaching young people to hate will imbue in them something that would be difficult, if not impossible to remove. Children of a tender age are indeed, as you say, impressionable. And teaching them to hold hostile views against people who don’t look like them, who are different and were raised differently is not only wrong, it promotes evil. They grow up and cling to that antipathy. It would take a lifetime to erase that imprint of hatred, fear, loathing and brainwashing.
“You mean like being told that college is a compromise? That God should damn America? Not to believe in the American dream? That Judaism is a gutter religion? That if God doesn’t murder the white man, then God Himself must be killed? That kind of antipathy toward people not like them? That kind of teaching of hostility and hate?”
“Senator, when somebody spends a lifetime hearing hatred, hearing slanders, hearing violent speeches and relentless negative reinforcements of a particular ideology…from Frank Marshall Davis as a boy, to radical professors at college, to Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger and Louis Farrakhan. When they get involved in the community and the posse that surrounds them are Michael Klonsky, Carl Davidson, William Ayers, …essentially anarchists and hard leftist warriors…and every day contains another element of echo chamber cultism, it strains credulity to believe that person doesn’t know precisely what that ideology is and intends. But, participation and and adherence to that ideology, stands in direct opposition to being protector of our way of life. Stomping on the flag with dirty boots is in direct opposition as chief defender of that flag.
Wearing that flag proudly is in direct opposition to thinking that our flag was the “wrong kind of patriotism. Being a proud defender of that flag is in direct opposition to believing that this country has not been a source of pride. Defending our government no matter who is in office from domestic terrorism, is in direct opposition to whitewashing domestic terrorism when it comes from the “correct” side of the political spectrum.
Ayers and Dohrn are not just some “people from the neighborhood”. Jeremiah Wright is not just some “crazy uncle”. “Frank” is not just some “old poet”. They are carriers of a diseased ideology. And you, Senator…show signs of being infected.”
The point of the above hypothetical conversation, of course, is to show that it is NEVER “ok” to attack our system of government by means of plotting to overthrow it.
If Senator Obama becomes our Commander in Chief, he is duty bound to protect ALL our citizens, but also our way of life. That flag that felt like the “wrong” kind of patriotism, is the same flag that he becomes the standard bearer of and for.
His “social circle” in Hyde Park may not give Ayers and Dohrn a second glance, in fact, in the wine and brie set, they may approach Bonnie and Clyde romanticized, tres chic radical status. You “prove” your liberal bona fides by being “accepting” of them…even defending them. Our Commander in Chief has no room for such elegant dissembling. An anarchist with a history of violence, is not the Great Gatsby when your butt hits the chair in the Oval Office.
By occupying that seat, the holder of the office makes an express and implied promise to serve as protector against the very likes of Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Michael Klonsky, Carl Davidson, if one believes that the imposition of an ideology that intends to overthrow our system of government is indeed a threat.
With two weeks left before the election, the entrenched media has never asked the question. There must surely be a reason why.
Perhaps we must ask a preliminary question first. Is it fair to ask Senator Obama if he believes that Ayers ideology as an anarchist/small “c” communist would pose a threat to our way of life, if it took hold? Would he fight against it?
Does he believe that Frank Marshall Davis’ CPUSA leanings would pose a threat to the government if they took hold? Would he fight against that?
Does he believe that Michael Klonsky’s New Party “fusion”, Maoism, and extreme radicalism would pose a threat to the government if it took hold? And would he fight against that?
Does Senator Obama believe that James Cone’s Marxist inspired theopolitics promotes an ideology that is antithetical to our system of government? Would he fight against it?
While we are on the subject of things that Senator Obama will NEVER be asked, what does he believe the common ground is, in the beliefs and policy directions of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Robert Malley, Samantha Power, Tony McPeak, Dick Lugar, James Jones, Susan Rice, Anthony Lake are? What ONE thing, do they all have in common? (that they also have in common with Jimmy Carter, Pat Buchanan and James Baker)
Does that one thing signal anything about your intentions as President?
If you are elected President, you are entitled to the full support of every citizen of this country. Unlike President Bush, you are more likely to afforded such by the vast majority of the people. But, it sure would have been nice going in…to not have the corrupt media in your pocket keeping important questions from being asked of you. It might have helped you be much more ready…if you had been allowed to ponder a point of view that didn’t originate in an echo chamber. I wish you well, no matter if you win or lose. I will support you fully if you win. I just don’t like how the game has been played.
People that have worked with Obama in the Illinois State Senate describe him as “Marxist”.
“As far as I know, Ayres and others were fighting governments supporting a war in Vietnam that was killing thousands of innocent people, and the military brass doping of the troops”
vivo, i know that the concept of democracy totally escapes your mind, but whatever lead to the vietnam war, there was a democratically elected parliament approving it.
Where is the democratic process of deciding to bomb the pentagon on their own?
I am sure this concept is entirely alien to your mind and you would justify mass murder, rape, if it is fitting to your political purpose, but this is not the way it works, at least in civilized western countries, which you do not belong to, obviously
Ayers and Dohrn have been spewing their hatred for all of Barack Obama’s adult political life, and as an adult, at least through this position of authority with respect to the Annenberg Challenge, he has directed funds to those people to support their subversive activities. This guy has been a bagman for admitted terrorists.
If appears quite obvious from reading the Move on .org Socialist than have invaded all Conservative web sites .
Bill Ayers and his Commuminist background of many Bombing is hororable and Obama Hate white filled Rev Wright is OK but the KKK ..BLACK HATERS AND BOMBERS is far worse and a tie to that horiible group was worse .
The truth is they BOTH are Horrible and any one with Ties to either group should never be President of America .
Watching The media respin Joe Biden’s statements about Obama being tested in his 1st six months as POTUS made me sick .
John McCAIN is tested and ready to lead on day one .
If Obama wants terrorist as friends so be it .
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Even if one agree that Obama and Ayers knew eachother well.
On what basis do you support the claim that Ayers is/was his “political mentor”?
America’s military/police forces preparing to suppress dissent if the election is stolen from Obama
Disturbing indication that the Bush Regime is hoping to steal the election from Obama and prevent people from protesting that injustice:
Police departments in cities across the country are beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for possible civil unrest and riots after the historic presidential contest.
Public safety officials said in interviews with The Hill that the election, which will end with either the nation’s first African president or its first female vice president, demanded a stronger police presence.
Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large African populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors.
Democratic strategists and advocates for African voters say they understand officers wanting to keep the peace, but caution that excessive police presence could intimidate voters.
Sen. Obama (Ill.), the Democratic nominee for president, has seen his lead over rival Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) grow in recent weeks, prompting speculation that there could be a violent backlash if he loses unexpectedly.
http://truthfirstnow.blogspot.com
Oh, uh, Mr. Lewis. Could you please tell ROBERT BYRD that his SHEETS are ready to be picked up from the dry-cleaners. Those gunpowder and blood stains sure are damn hard to remove. Along with the horrible stench of Dixiecrat hipocrisy.
If Obama wins, the U.S. would have its first marxist President. Of course, as President, Obama would surround himself with like-minded advisers, cabinet members, Supreme Court candidates, etc, etc. What a great cause for celebration! And Grant Park, what a perfect historical place for it. It would be great to see Ayers, Dohrn and Wright and the other America-haters take their rightful places on the dais. Gee, just think of it.
I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why this dog won’t hunt.
Tivo:
“As far as I know, Ayres and others were fighting governments supporting a war in Vietnam that was killing thousands of innocent people, and the military brass doping of the troops. That’s what George Washington did in the 1770’s. Fighting vicious governments. Just happened that the Weathermen were not successful. They were using the wrong tactics for the era. He changed his ways and now is a respected professor. So, pipe it down and go cook your frijoles.”
Hey wait a minute, didn’t George’s wife have something to do with a flag??? Hmmm, is this the flag that “dirty boots” Ayers tromped upon with glee?? Was he a “respected professor” in 2001 when he did this?
I wonder what the professor is teaching our young adults.
Great connection made there, that was hilarious!
hahahahahahahahaha
I needed a good laugh this morning and you didn’t disappoint.
Jeff:
Where is your source?
To me, the most amazing aspect of the discussions about the influence on Hussein of so many anti-Americans and evil doers during his early years is that no good guys or character witnesses have stepped forward on Obama’s behalf.
Sure, we’ve heard from Larry Sinclair, but, what about a teacher, team mate or former girl friend? Didn’t Obama ever have a pal/confidant who wasn’t dirty? Why isn’t there a “Joe The Plumber” who comes forward and says, “Yeah, I’ve known him for years; we watched a lot of Cubs and Bears games together and he is a good guy?” Probaby, because he doesn’t exist. Hussein was too busy learning to hate America!
robert, do you also believe in santa claus and the easter bunny? being proudly endorsed by the marxist party is not enough for you? oh, you are not bothered by the little details, like being the candidate of the dictators worldwide and receiving donations from the unicorn
Lester Tobias:
This dog don’t hunt because most Americans simply don’t care about Ayers.
To at least one generation of Americans, Ayers and the Weathermen were heroes.
To everyone else except the tin-foil-hatters, it’s hard to equate sitting on the board of an educational grant foundation with bombing the Pentagon.
One pretty much has to be terrified of Obama to begin with, for any of the nutso conspiracy crap to have any effect.
I am unaware of any generation that celebrated cold blooded murderers as heroes. Living underground for years belies that fantasy.
And “sitting on a board of an educational grant foundation” is a benign act. Funneling money to anarchist front groups out of that foundation is not.
So, let’s not be disingenuous. I wear no tin foil hat, I view myself as pretty open minded and I have absolutely no fear of Socialism, Communism, Maoism, or any of the other small “c” brands of radical extremism. I simply won’t stand in line like a panting puppy to be one of the useful idiots who defend those diseased relics of a miserable cadre of aging fools.
If one is incapable, either by lack of intellect or conscience to connect the dots to the embrace of the ideological brethren , then perhaps Koz Kidz is a more appropriate venue for the apologia drivel and claims of “tin foil hats”.
Nobody is “terrified” of anything, if somebody wishes to run as a far leftist (Evan Thomas, editor of Newsweek’s grandfather Norman did just that), that’s fine with virtually all of us.
If someone wants to run as a Communist, then great. If someone wishes to surround themselves with far leftists and rail against America and Israel all day and night…we should defend their right to do so with every ounce of our abilities.
However, if someone wants to hide those associations, that ideology, and disguise the intent behind them…then we have not just a right…but a duty…to shine a light on those intentions.
This dog won’t hunt, because the crooked entrenched media has it on a short leash and in a choke collar . The lifelong attachment to radical extremism matters, because how much of the ideology has taken hold and still remains…matters.
Especially if there are still imbeciles around who believe that cold blooded murderers and anarchist traitors are “heroes”.
“one generation of Americans, Ayers and the Weathermen were heroes.” What color is the sky in your universe? Ayers and his ilk were the Al Queda of his day. Fortunately he was just inept and incompetent. Was his vote suppressed? No? Then he had his say in a free society.
He was a spoiled narcissist to whom no one else in the world has any worth and they is just fodder to be spent to get his way. Kill innocent people? Just a glorious part of HIS revolution. Anarchy and Marxism are just fancy ways of saying he wants his way with no restraint from free people.
Excellent article! Thank you.
Susan:
Delightful to hear from you on this blog. I see you are up to your usual tactics. I hope to hear from you after the election. You are not planning on leaving the country are you?
Yeah.
Ayers was against the Vietnam war which was killing so many people and felt that violence was a justified response.
A small minority of activists who are against abortion (because it kills so many) feel that the violence of abortion-clinic bombing is a justified response.
I’m disgusted by those who excuse Ayers and I am equally disgusted by those who would excuse an abortion-clinic bomber.
Different “ideology”, same criminality.
Period.
Per Andreas, first off there is reason to speculate that perhaps Ayers is the ghost-writer of Sen. Obama’s first published book, Dreams From My Father. In the second place, there is documented evidence that suggests Sen. Obama not only knew what Ayers once stood for, but that he actively supports what he still stands for. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBlTdsnOh8
Andreas, you have to dig for the truth in this election because the media sure as sugar isn’t going to help you find it. I’m assuming you are a reasonable person who comments here to exchange information, not just spew invectives. Please watch the video and think about what choice America is making. Even Obama’s liberal Democrat neighbor, Richard A. Epstein, is going against his cronies to express his belief that Obama is bad for America:
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/20/obama-chicago-election-oped-cx_re_1021epstein.html
“He changed his ways and now is a respected professor”.
Vivo,
Ayers has not changed his ways. No one has ever heard him mention any remorse for his attacks. He did learn that he could have a much greater effect by the indoctrination of children in their classrooms.
Also, there were several million people that fled to South Vietnam that really would have liked a democratic government to succeed.
robert, you are quite obsessed, wasting typing energies to track me down instead of contributing to the thread.
I don’t know if you will hear me after the elections because I plan to start a new job in the next weeks but I couldn’t care less about leaving the country since I am not american or living in america.
Although I have to say with the help of Acorn I could try to vote in the US, since I have more eligibility than Kermit the frog or a dead person.
I voted right-wing in my EU country and, as it happened in MANY EU countries, we kicked in the mouth the communist anti-american maggots dragging us to the ground and selling our a$$es to the muslims and I am pretty proud to say that for the first time in decades, the government in my country has got no communist party in (they have been defeated like no other election in history), they have been laughed at, branded as worthless and greedy bureacrats and the current prime minister, in spite of the economic stagnation has got an approval rating of 70% (one of the highest in the history of my country).
Let me take a leaf from Michelle (not my belle) Obama: for the first time in my life I am proud of my country. We kicked the communists out!
So, Robert, I won big time last spring and regardless of my deep fondness and appreciation of the USA, I do not have in plan to visit there for at least a couple of years. Not even as a tourist. The party who I voted here is cleaning up the administrative apparatus, kicking out the lazy and uncapable ones, I loathe the idea of flying to USA and see the most incapable ONE of them all in the most powerful office of the world.
You can keep the change and your ridiculous and embarassing candidate and be sure that the more he talks the better will be, he will make President Bush look like Einsten. President Bush will be rehabilitated entirely thanks to Obama.
You complained about having a president unable to put together a coherent sentence, now you will have a president unable to put together a coherent sentence without a teleprompter including the ever-present flip-flops. You will find out that the other countries in the world will still hate you because their hate is not driven by what USA does (kneejerking to them like Obama will do), but what USA IS.
I foresee right after the election, the biggest party out there will be the DBO, Deluded By Obama.
Obama would be down 15 points if it wasn’t for the whoring media, he also would be down another 15 points if he wasn’t black (total = -30). Just this fact alone disqualifies him.
Not even in the fascist/nazi rhetoric you heard bullshits like “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for”, “we will lower the oceans”, “I wanna change the world”.
Educate yourself on the Goebbels propaganda style, Hitler or Mussolini never went this far, they were still enough intelligent not to do that, and nobody would go that far with statements like that if people started thinking with their head and the press started doing their job.
There has never been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements. And this is going to be painful to discover, in spite of the nannies and diapers-changers he will be surrounded with at the white house.
So as you can see, I have really nothing to loose from this election, other than pity the decent people of america (including some actual friends) for the unconsidered decisions of a bunch of misguided narcissists.
USA once was the highest aim somebody could aspire, everybody in my country that say “I have been hired by an american company and I am going to work in …. (fill any US city of your like, including buttf–k, Indiana) is looked with respect and admiration as somebody who “made it”.
There are plenty of people from all countries (and I am talking about doctors, engineers, professionals, not only low-skilled workers) for which working in USA is the peak of their carreer (while you probably give it for granted). After Obama, USA will be a country like the rest. You will still have unskilled workers at the border with mexico begging for a handout, tho, since Obama will make sure the welfare addicts can vote him again.
So there will be no magic moment and the rise of the oceans won’t slow, our planet won’t begin to heal and we won’t cure the sick and oppressed.
USA will disappear below Obamas huge, inflated ego. Get ready to re-print your geographical maps.
“To protect Bill Ayers” ?
Bottom line, all that’s being said and done (profs signing on that Ayers is a ‘good’ guy, MSM complicity/bias, etc.), is ‘to protect Barack Obama.’
I imagine we all wonder just what we’ll be getting with an Obama presidency. I don’t think many on the Left even are entirely sure. A good number on the Right most likely try to comfort themselves that things can’t get ‘that bad.’
We have our laws, after all.
But I think we need to consider what we do know. What we’ve witnessed with our own eyes over the past year and a half or so. I, for one, don’t like what I’ve seen. I’ve seen a man all too cavalier regarding respect for the law. And, equally disturbing, a far too casual response to it.
It’s going to take alot for me to comfort myself that things won’t be ‘that bad’ in 2009 should this man win in ’08.
Susan:
I am relieved that you can’t vote here. It makes me more hopeful that we son’t have to deal with your venom
you will have to deal with much bigger problems than my venom, you are free to live on your cloud as much as you want, I cannot guarantee that the people around you would feel the same.
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Check it out!
To expand on my earlier statements — I’ve just heard that Obama is now heading to Hawaii to be with his grandmother. And I do hope he finds her in improved health.
It brings to mind something I read yesterday. His failure to respond – he had 30 days from 9/15 – to the lawsuit in Hawaii’s Supreme Court requesting he produce the document that would prove he’s eligible to be a candidate. He’s allowed this issue to fester for many months now.
Putting aside the issue of whether or not he’s eligible, is his troubling arrogance in the matter. He’s shown tremendous disrespect for other citizens of this country. Citizens he professes he wants to serve.
Though their concerns regarding his eligibility may ultimately be assuaged, he may very well have raised additional concerns – for all of us – regarding his character and judgment.
This article is titled “The Twisting of History to Protect Bill Ayres”. And it refers to Ayres as Obama’s “mentor” in at least a couple of places. It cites only two encounters between Ayers and Obama (a board meeting and a party) which we all know about. But in what way was Ayers Obama’s MENTOR??? And who is it that is “twisting history” to defend Ayres? Come on people! Be a little discriminatory! Ayers was a half capable domestic terrorist and I don’t think there is anything that can be said to defend that. But the suggestion that because there were a couple of encounters between Obama and Ayers = Obama is a dangerous terrorist and that he’s going to turn the country Communist as some people are suggesting is absolutely insane! Some of you people have some deep inner hatred (racist?) that you really need to deal with!
And Ditto: I will check out your videos when I get the chance. But I just wonder: if there really is information out there that proves Ayers is not just a casual aquaintance, but in fact Obama’s “MENTOR”, why was it not cited in the article or in any of the comments?
Keep on beating that dead horse. If the public doesn’t care about Bill Ayers (and polls say they don’t), why not abandon it for a different line of attack. Oh, that’s right – you TRIED everything else and it didn’t work either! Looks like you’re SOL (simply out of luck).
I am getting really tired of having this non-story dominate the PJMedia headlines, like it’s even relevant. Why do I even bother to read these stories?
Susan:
Here’s a dollar – buy yourself a clue. Then go to a non-partisan fact-checking website and make an honest comparison. See how wrong you are.
This is the sadest excuse for comments I’ve seen in a while. The fact that Ayers is allowed to run loose is amazing and that he is allowed to teach children is astounding. Say what you want, but Ayers wasn’t just an upset hippie, he is a professed terrorist with Anarchy and Communist aims. He willing tried to kill innocent people to bring about change and willing promoted genocide of nonbelievers in the new order. Obama still thinks it okay to associate with this character.
Most people ignore that during his later terms as AL governor, George Wallace appointed unprecedented numbers of blacks to positions of influence. John Lewis lives in the past. Wallace moved on.
BKG —
I think if you’d been reading the articles at
americanthinker.com
and
gatewaypundit.blogspot.com
over these many months, you might find the relationship between the two is far more than ‘casual.’
The second blogsite has a picture of the small office building where Ayers, Obama and Klonsky shared its third floor for several years, for example.
Someone75, what do you mean by non-partisan?
an obama shrine like the one you come from?
If you and the other obamatrons think every attack on him is irrelevant, why are you wasting good portions of your time (I believe you’re on welfare and you do not have a real job so it’s not really an issue) posting on this website?
Who is the one who should get a clue?
We know what Ayers was and is. O needs to “distance” himself AGAIN!
I think McCain is too erratic, hot-tempered, and too dangerous to take office. His facial expressions while talking about Putin of Russia and Ahmadinejad is a major red flag.
http://allanerickson.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/eliminating-25-million-americans/
Ayers “joined the tradition of the great killers.” Gitlin, president SDS, 1964-65
Bill Ayers Bombed the Pentagon. Muhammad Atta and other terrorists who knew Osama Bin Laden, Bombed the Pentago with a Jet. What Obama and Osama have in common is knowing freinds who bombed the Pentagon.
Per andreas –
The connection to Ayers is ideological as well as in practice.
If you track Saul “Rules for Radicals” Alinsky and his methods, see his ties to Chicago where he was friends with the rich, the famous, the mob, and the hood, you will find that he was training people in community organizing to eliminate capitalism (evil).
You will find that Barack Obama, though never meeting Alinsky (he was dead), was recruited by three of his disciples to break into the black community to establish Alinsky’s model of “social justice” through “community organizing.” In addition, Obama attended the Alinsky Industrial Areas Foundation for training. He, in turn, trained other in the community, including Chicago ACORN staff.
The goals and objectives of Obama’s community organizing dovetailed nicely with Ayers’ shift from “domestic terrorism” to “revolution through education.”
Together in the Annenberg Challenge Ayers (“just a guy in my neighborhood” liar liar pants on fire) and Obama were able to give away millions and millions of dollars to “social justice” (anti capitalism, free market) “education” programs.
With money Obama and Ayers added through the Woods Foundation (they both served there too) almost $2 million alone went to Ayers and Mike Klonsky (founder and chair of CP(ML) Communist Party [Marxist Leninist]) through their Small Schools Workshop. (Funny. CAC and Small Schools were housed on the same floor of the same building.)
Klonsky had a blog on the Obama Campaign site until someone not as enthralled wih his Marxist ideology pointed it out. Shazaam! Scrubbed clean by the Obama Machine.
Obama in the primaries was somewhat more clear about his ideology, as he was campaigning against Hillary for the left wing voters of the Democrat party. Gaining the nomination he has swung more center … not because he *is* more center, but he needed to gain and maintain the illusion of being a mild mannered liberal do- gooder to gain the confidence of the moderate Democrat voter.
But historically Obama has aligned himself (see Dream references elsewhere) with the radical fringe, (courtesy of Frank Davis) while claiming to be above the fray.
His agenda is socialism as far as he can take it. He is skilled at cloaking it (the langage of the social justice folks is like that — there truly is a ‘code’). His credentials are “terrific.” And they are not moderate liberal ideas. He did not sit under Jeremiah Wrightr’s Marxist Black Liberation Theology for 20 years wearing ear plugs.
You know, I am getting tired of doing the homework for many people who just parrot the talking points of the Obama campaign.
Why don’t you folks who think we’re all out to lunch when we gag on Barack Obama’s ‘moderate’ associations get on the net and do your own looking around. He is supposed to be man of great intellectual curiosity, according to Colin Powell.
His supporters seem to have litle curiosity at all.
Every single thing I have written is found on the internet in documented articles, not whack fringe scandal sheets.
You wwho would vist this on the people of America by misleading and miosrepresenting — otr at best willful ignoprance — Barack PObamas travel s and beliuefs have much to be respoinsible for.
Sorry about that last paragraph – it escaped my immaculate (ha!) checking.
You who would visi this (Obama’s presidency) on America by misleading and misrepresenting — or at best by willful ignorance — have much to be responsible for and to answer for.
18. Curbster:
“I needed a good laugh this morning and you didn’t disappoint.”
Glad to help.
30. Rod Clemson:
” “He changed his ways and now is a respected professor”.
Vivo,
Ayers has not changed his ways. No one has ever heard him mention any remorse for his attacks. He did learn that he could have a much greater effect by the indoctrination of children in their classrooms.”
You may be right here. We’re still speculating. But I don’t think that there are children at the U. of Chicago. His students are adults and he’s teaching liberal arts, Education.
No one is going to change the Left, neither is anyone going to change the Right. BUT the middle undecided that’s where Obama can be defeated. I’m hoping all the JOE’s vote for McCain/Palin; I’m hoping all the WOMEN who voted for HILLARY will vote AGAINST Obama by voting for McCain/Palin. I’m also hoping that the Florida democrats who got snubbed by their own Party in not counting their votes tips Florida for McCain/Palin. I’m hoping all those UNDECIDED had enough of Obama’s ACORN and ATTACKS of anyone who questions Obama.
Bottom line: when people go and VOTE and are alone, I hope reality hits them and they ask themselves WHO IS OBAMA? A JUNIOR SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS WITH NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
9. susan:
“vivo, i know that the concept of democracy totally escapes your mind, but whatever lead to the vietnam war, there was a democratically elected parliament approving it.”
A war can be approved and started, but once the rationale doesn’t make sense, it should be STOPPED. Iraq rings a bell?
The end doesn’t justify the means. Heard of that one?
vivo, it’s clear that you would love to live in some totalitarian state where one person decides for all but starting a war AND ALSO ENDING A WAR is decided by the parliament, not a single messiah.
What you advocate is perhaps an absolute monarchy. I think saudi arabia is still and absolute monarchy, you should try to live there and see if it suits you.
Do you think NO democrat voted to stay in iraq? Evidently the rationale for them still made sense.
You are pretty deluded and don’t even know how your parliament works. Buy a book that explains it in easy and plain terms.
How old are you? 12? absolute monarchies have been removed from western lands a long time ago.
However, if you are so against any kind of military intervention no matter what, I would love too see your hypocritical reaction when Obambi will be “tested” by other powers.
Or your groupie infatuation will prevail?
Americans lost a lot more money and lives in WW2 when you removed hitler from power. Maybe if you were there you would have been one of those “pacifists” preaching appeasement and dialogue while the jew population entered concentration camps.
I applaud your morals, vivo.
Vivo: ““As far as I know, Ayres and others were fighting governments supporting a war in Vietnam that was killing thousands of innocent people, and the military brass doping of the troops. That’s what George Washington did in the 1770’s. Fighting vicious governments. Just happened that the Weathermen were not successful.”
Hmmm..being as the Weathermen (and Bill Ayers) openly discussed among themselves the need to EXTERMINATE 25,000,000 (yes- 25 Million) Americans in “re-education camps” ala Pol-Pot, Stalin and Hitler I find your comparison of that A-hole Ayres with George Washington to be nothing less than putrid.
“You may be right here. We’re still speculating. But I don’t think that there are children at the U. of Chicago. His students are adults and he’s teaching liberal arts, Education”.
vivo – And what do you think these adults will do eventually. The man teaches teachers. Where do you think they will end up? My bet would be the elementary classrooms of America.
If nothing else, this election cycle has fully exposed a completely irresponsible, hypocrtical, subjective, and dysfunctional American media that this doing great harm to the nation.
The first mistake in comparing McCain to George Wallace is that George Wallace was a democrat. Yes, the “Democratic” Party wants to be so “inclusive” that it has room for Ayers and Wright and everyone else that thinks the US is a bad place with bad governement and bad people. Down with populism, vote for ideas that work, vote for McCain/Palin in 08.
I’d think after 8 yrs of Bush and his unjust war, bad economic stewardship, attack on our constitutional rights, the extreme divisiveness in our country, etc, there’d be a little more support for a positive change. The comments I read on this site are mostly based on paranoia and propaganda. I’d put my house up on a bet with any one of you on this:
OBAMA IS NOT A TERRORIST! OBAMA IS NOT A SUPPORTER OF TERRORISTS! HIS CONNECTION TO A PAST TERRORIST OF THE 60′S IS VAGUE! OBAMA IS ALSO NOT A COMMUNIST! OR A SOCIALIST! HE’S NOT GOING TO BRING SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM TO AMERICA! “SPREADING THE WEALTH” DOES NOT MEAN HE’S A SOCIALIST ANY MORE THAN CLINTON WAS A SOCIALIST! (HE JUST CHOSE UNFORTUNATE WORDING!)HIS TAX INCREASE IS JUST A LITTLE MORE (SAME AS UNDER CLINTON) FOR THOSE MAKING $250,000 OR MORE) AND ITS A TAX DECREASE FOR THOSE WHO MAKE LESS! THATS NOT SOCIALISM OR COMMUNISM!
Stop with the scare tactics! Its not working! You’re just riling yourselves up for nothing. In four years, of course you will still HATE Obama because he’s not extreme hard-core right wing like many of you on this thread, or racist like I know some of you must be, but you will see that I am right. In four years you will have to come up with other fake exuses to hate Obama but you will see your accusations of communism/socialism/terrorism are completely bogus!
And stop blaming McCain’s bad luck on the biased, liberal media!
Which media was it that crucified Carter during the hostage crisis and then Clinton for Monica Lewinsky? Which media was it that jumped all over Edwards and Clinton for expensive hair cuts? Which media killed Gore for “saying he invented the internet”? and sighing during a debate? Which media gave ungodly coverage of the discredited swift boat attacks on Kerry ruining his election efforts? Which media spent days and weeks hounding Obama regarding out of context comments by his pastor? Which media was it that hounded Obama for days and weeks over his refusal to say the SURGE was the one and only thing that has caused a decrease in violence in Iraq? Which media was it that, jumped all over the story of Ashley Todd the McCain campain worker that falsely claimed she was beaten by a BLACK MALE Obama supporter?–and this we now know was a complete lie and it was a McCain communications director in Pennsylvania that pushed the story!
And which media was it that kissed George Bush’s ass consistently and daily with full blown dedication, without suspicion or question during the entire prelude to the Iraq war, serving as his propaganda mouth piece and convincing the majority of Americans to support his unjustified and immoral war?
I believe it was the same main stream media that the right wing will go to its grave saying is liberal.
Couldn’t the reason most Americans do not want to vote McCain/Paling be that McCain just comes off as a half crazy old man linked forever to George Bush and Palin comes off as completely embarrassing? Those are the reasons the jump-ship republicans are giving.
Its not the media. Its the ticket.
What does it take for liberals to abandon their messiah?
William Ayres doesn’t bother you? How many terrorist friends of Obama does it take to upset a liberal?
Ralia Odinga – http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/
Khalid Monsour – http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/obamas-benefact.html
Mark Rudd – http://wnd.com/index.php?a=PAGE.view&pageId=76234
Frank Marshal Davis – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2601914/Frank-Marshall-Davis-alleged-Communist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html
Rashid Khalidi – http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231
Kenny Gamble (AKA Luqman Abdul Haqq) – http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-office-operates-in-phillys-islamist-corridor/
Mohamed Salim Al-Churbaji – http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/top-qaeda-terro.html
How about his treatment of other “African American’s”? – http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-war-on-black-america/
Do you know what the Cloward-Priven Strategy is? – (can you say ACORN?) – http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967
How about Chicago / Illinois political corruption – http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/989635,CST-NWS-timeline05.article
What does it take for you liberals? How much corruption can you stomach just to get your guy into office?
If Obama’s supporters don’t care about the rule of law, what does that say about him? Would people who reject the rule of law follow someone who respects it?
Do you hate your own freedom that much?
One correction here– the Brinks robbery took place in October 1981. Two cops and a guard were killed, one of whom, Waverly Brown, was black.
Two of the whites involved in their deaths were Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert. They went to prison, and their baby son grew up in the Ayers household in Hyde Park. He was probably in the room when Obama’s political career began. How poetic.
Clinton is a murderer: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/clintonfriends.htm
Kerry is a fake hero:
http://www.swiftvets.com/
McCain to blame for Forrestal fire:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=119707
Aliens in the bible:
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/
Obama supporter beats up McCain volunteer and cuts “B” in her cheek:
Pajamasmedia.com
Obama and Osama are brothers:
Still looking–I’m sure its out there. You guys probably know. Little help?
“Those four little girls murdered by angry bombers in the 16th Street Baptist Church became a rallying cry for the civil rights movement in 1963.”
And 38 years later the government finally secured a conviction in that case.
Bill Ayers, Bernandine Dohrn and the rest of the Weatherscum could still be tried for treason (no statute of limitations).
Just saying.
Oct 24, 2008 – 4:28 am
“vivo, it’s clear that you would love to live in some totalitarian state where one person decides for all but starting a war AND ALSO ENDING A WAR is decided by the parliament, not a single messiah.”
I never said or implied that. I meant ending a war by whatever parliamentary means are available. Don’t put words in my mouth.
“How old are you? 12?” No, I’m 6.
“if you are so against any kind of military intervention . . .”
I believe in self-defense. Again, you’re making a lot of wrong guesses about my ideas, probably because you’re blinded by your centered beliefs and stereotypes. Cool it lady.
vivo, it’s a long time since i was 16, but I do remember the girls wetting their panties over New Kinds on the block, Tom Cruise (when he was young) and others who frankly I do not remember…
You post exactly like them. Fanatical adoration, start struck awe, oversensitivity over the slightest critic of your hero (or should I say blasphemy).
The majority of the people rooting for obamba are bringing up his “good looks”, good point to elect a president, but after all the same “factor” was for Kennedy and Clinton. You’re blinded by celebrity factor, you would vote for paris hilton surely too.
well, I guess this is the result of Opra TV brainwashing people.
I have an idea for the next presidential election. Why not set up a sort of American Idol contest? Even if there is clear fraud, I am seeing that nobody bothers.
Good work Stan. Fingers plugging ears, mouth emitting “blah, blah, blah”. Such a solid grip on reality is a real pleasure to witness.
kwh: Do you believe factcheck.org is also “plugging ears and emitting blah blah blah?” Are they just more liberal MSM? Stop the fear mongering. Let people decide by the issues and not their fears!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
The following is an exerpt from an article titled “He Lied” About Bill Ayers?:
“Groundless, False, Dubious
We find McCain’s accusation that Obama “lied” to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.
Other claims are seriously misleading. The education project described in the Web ad, far from being “radical,” had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain’s campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting “mainstream thinking” about school reform.”
Hey, Stan
Factcheck.com – funded by Annenberg – which funded Obama and Ayres attempt to radicallize our children into nice little brown shirts for the socialist uprising. Oh yeah, they must be unbiased! Factcheck is the one who is “groundless, false, and dubios” and in the bag for O-messiah.
…and don’t try to tell me old man Annenberg was a conservative, so was Henry Ford and look where that foundation has gone.
why don’t you quote from dailykos, salaon.com, the huffington post and Snopes while you’re at it. Oh, I know, how about the LA times or the NY Times?
William Ayres and his nut-job weatherunderpants figured they would have to kill 25 million Americans once they took control. Check it out for yourself – http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
Your O-messiah was a co-conspirator with “Billy” Ayres in the Annenberg challenge.
Robert Friedrich:
I read the first article you listed regarding Obama’s connection to Ralia Odinga by the right wing Washington Times. Per
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/465/
the charges regarding Obama being related to Odinga and funneling money to him are completely false. As far as the violence that occured after the ’07 election in Kenya, it is reported that supporters on both sides are to blame. It also contradicts Hymen’s article by saying that on the trip he made to Kenya prior to the ’07 election he spent time with both candidates not just Odinga.
Factcheck.org also contradicts the statements in this article by the Washington Times writer but indirectly. They actually are responding to the same sort of accusations within the discredited book “Obama Nation” by Corsi (the Swift Boat attack author:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
Robert: I had a feeling factcheck.org would not be found credible to you. Is there a truly unbiased fact checking source that you would recommend?
You had a “feeling”… well, you are a liberal.
Try reading news from both sides with a little textual criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_criticism).
Do you care to try to refute any of the other ties between Obama and terrorists? How about refuting for us his socialist (putting it mildly) leaning political views? Or why socialism is such a wonderful ideology instead of being responsible for the murder of more than 100 million people in the last century? http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
Bravo to Jerome Corsi!!! Did you even read Unfit for Command?
I can recommend opednews.com for you since it’s a “progressive” site. Read the articles by Evelyn Pringle called “curtain time for Barack Obama.”
Then my question to you is, as I have asked before, how much are you willing to overlook to get your guy elected?
Would you like to see Ayres and fellows kill 25 million (or more) Americans – say perhaps all of us on the right?
By the way, here’s a t-shirt you might like to wear to all those Obama rallies http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html
“Factcheck.com – funded by Annenberg – which funded Obama and Ayres attempt to radicallize our children into nice little brown shirts for the socialist uprising. Oh yeah, they must be unbiased! Factcheck is the one who is “groundless, false, and dubios” and in the bag for O-messiah.”
More fear mongering!
Factcheck.org lists many articles that contradict statements made by Obama and other democrats. I’m not saying I’m an expert judge on the matter of their bias but they seem fair in their fact checking.
Regarding “they are funded by Annenberg” they address this potential conflict of interest in the Ayers article mentioned above by stating:
” (FactCheck.org, which is nonpartisan, also receives funding from the Annenberg Foundation. But we are in no way connected to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which finished its work long before we came into being in late 2003.)For full details, please read on to our Analysis section.”
Obama and Ralia…
try this on for size – http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=36193
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/
http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/obama/37952,CST-NWS-sweet29.article
http://www.mywire.com/a/AFP/Obamas-Kenya-honeymoon-ends-abruptly/1782891?extID=10051
Robert Friedrich:
Love the shirt! I’ll buy it and wear it next time I attend a rally for wacked out, right wing, fear mongering witch hunters who dread, with every molecule in their bodies, having a black man as their president! Thanks for that resource!
Unfortunately I can’t respond to every one of your websites. I’ll look at them as I find the time. I’m not putting you off–I’ll look at each of them.
Refuting Obama’s “socialist” views: I already said he’s not a socialist. “Spreading the wealth” was unfortunate verbage by Obama. Any change in income tax regulations in effect “spreads the wealth”. But if it causes far right extremists to have a brain explosion, maybe Obama should have said something more soothing to their ears like “take from the rich and give to the poor”
And you ask me to defend socialism as a being a good thing? I’m as socialist as Joe the Plumber! (or wait, the crooked media/democrats didn’t find out he was a socialist did they?). I think you are being ridiculous to constantly suggest that if I don’t beieve the attacks by the smear machine that is the right wing, that Obama is a socialist/muslim/terrorist, then I and every other Obama supporter is a communist/socialist! Sorry to disappoint you–disagreeing with you does not make a person a rotton, better-dead-than-red commie. There are more types of people in this country than right wing propaganists and commies.
No I didn’t read unfit for command. Was it T Boon Pickens that offered $1000,000 to anyone who could dispute the lies within it and then changed his mind when John Kerry took him up on the offer?
How much am I willing to over look to get my guy elected? I could ask you the same thing. Why are so many republicans jumping ship on YOUR messiahs? Are they communists too? Are they supporting terrorism too? If I thought there was any truth to your accusations, I would turn to McCain in a heart beat and kiss is near-in-the-grave ass. If I was so willing to over look Obama’s negatives, why would I read articles on this site and others that espouse views like yours?
Question for you Robert: How much of your soul are you willing to sell to the devil in your attempt to sell your extremist lies to ordiary people that don’t have all the time in the world to check and double check every accusation that you people pop up with?
And Lastly, regarding your most ridiculous question of all:
“Would you like to see Ayres and fellows kill 25 million (or more) Americans – say perhaps all of us on the right?”
I read a comment by a republican on another thread that said she would like to put a bullet between the eyes of every liberal. I would have to say that I do not wish the same on republicans, no matter how right wing crazy they may be. I wish ill will on none of you (even the nasty ones). I love the fact that we can discuss oposite views without worry about bullets between eyes. And I would not like for Ayers to take up his old activities–I’m fairly certain that won’t happen but if it does I’m sure you will be standing by to pin the blame on your new president (Obama).
Robert I’m guessing you are a veteran of the cold war–meaning you are in your 60s or 70s. I know during the 50s and 60s and 70s there was a lot of worry and concern about commies (red scare/dominoe effect/destroy from within). And for good reason: “We will bury you” Kruchev told us. Maybe thats why you sound like you want to bring back McCarthyism–’cause you just can’t let it go. But Kruchev is dead, and Obama is not going to turn America into a gulag.
Hope I’ve answered your questions.
68. susan:
“You post exactly like them. Fanatical adoration, start struck awe, oversensitivity over the slightest critic of your hero (or should I say blasphemy).”
Your imagination is running wild and out of control. YOU are the one who does what you just told me. You sound like you’re getting close to a nervous breakdown. Get some help. I wish I could help you.
hi morto (that’s a better name for you, it’s the description of your brain), where i am wetting my pants over any candidate?
can you point out any sentence or post?
I anticipate that you won’t find any loser
bye bye morto
79. susan:
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Thank God those 44 sticks of dynamite never went off. But those who fatuously equate our bombing of Vietnam with those 44 sticks of dynamite don’t know what they’re talking about. We never, ever dropped dynamite on Vietnam. Napalm, cluster bombs, other legal ordnance of war, yes, but dynamite? Never. Those who counter that napalm isn’t a legal instrument of war have their heads in the sand. Of course it is. Otherwise we wouldn’t have used it in Vietnam, Iraq, Panama, and all the other places we used it. Because, folks, we COULD HAVE used dynamite in those instances but we rightly chose not to.
Yrs sincerely,
The Playdo Institute,
Handel Glassberg, President