Communists for Obama
It appears that many of the 75,000 “Obama worshipers” in Portland last weekend really turned up to see a free concert by an uber-hip Portland band, the Decemberists (see photo below). Of course, the MSM didn’t report this fact because it might dampen the story of the new and wonderful miracle of the Obamessiah.
Most media reports were reminiscent of the style the Soviet poets used to glorify public appearances of the great Stalin. For example, Obama’s home paper, the Chicago Tribune, reported it this way:
They waited for hours under a warm sun, the line snaking for blocks and blocks through downtown. They packed onto the park lawn, from the makeshift stage to the waterfront and up to the street. They watched from a bridge overhead and from pleasure boats on the river, bikini-clad. They brought their parents and their infants. Some skipped work. Some wilted in the heat. A few jammed the streets afterward, hoping for a final motorcade glimpse. Fire department officials counted 75,000 in all, a record for the main attraction, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
Not a word about the popular Obama-supporting band — which is a shame, because it’s the most interesting development in this whole episode.
Not only do the band members love Obama’s message, but they also write lyrics that sound as if Michelle Obama wrote them — except, of course, for the lyrics of the most musically competent piece in the entire set, the Soviet anthem. Those lyrics were written by Sergei Mikhalkov, Stalin’s most trusted poet.
That’s right: incredible as it sounds, the band blasts the Russian-language national anthem of the USSR at the beginning of every concert. And not the sanitized Putin version either — the old-guard Communist version that glorifies the Party of Lenin. Do I remember those lyrics well! As a former Soviet citizen, I have quite an emotional connection to this music: the Soviet-era one-channel radios used to play it at six every morning as a nationwide wakeup call, causing me hours of lost sleep. I tried to escape this dark memory by coming to America, but the American “progressives” just won’t let me forget.
What puzzles me is this: what connection can the Soviet national anthem possibly have with today’s young Americans who get so ecstatic every time they hear Obama’s promise of “change”? And what exactly is meant by “change”? Perhaps the words of the anthem will hold the answer:
In the victory of Communism’s deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!
I would love to see a video of Obama as he listened to this. Did he stand at attention? Did he put his hand on his heart? Or did the band can the anthem for the time being, just like Obama canned his longtime “mentor and spiritual advisor” for political expediency? “Yes we can,” people.
Few things are more absurd than a “rebellious” American rock band playing the anthem of a political power that outlawed rock music and persecuted the musicians who were the true romantic rebels.
The band’s name apparently comes from the Decembrists, a group Russian aristocrats who staged an unsuccessful uprising in 1825 to dispose of the czar and establish a constitutional democracy. Some of them were executed; others were jailed or exiled to Siberia.
Now the Oregonian “Decemberists” are insulting the noble memory of these brave heroes by confounding them with the semi-literate vandals of the 1917 Communist Revolution. The real Decembrists were as unrelated to the ideas of a Communist revolution as today’s Democratic leaders are unrelated to the ideas of the American Revolution.
Had their uprising been successful, Russia might have taken the same route towards freedom as America. With no ground to stand on, Communists would have been just another marginal group — an object of ridicule, similar to the Daily Kos moonbats of today. Lenin would have used his law degree to become a pesky ACLU-type trial lawyer. Stalin would probably have gone on robbing banks up until the day he’d gotten shot in a botched stickup, after which Hollywood would have bought rights to his life story. Or he might just have become a college professor, like Bill Ayers — Leftist radicals are all idealistic sweethearts as long as they don’t have power over other people’s lives.
Speaking of Bill Ayers, this friend of Obama and former terrorist is now making a good living as a soft-spoken professor of education, writing books advising teachers on how to indoctrinate kids in the Marxist view of reality and instill the spirit of class struggle in the American classroom. I wonder what his rank would be in the American Politburo if his group had overthrown our elected government.
Ayers and Stalin have at least this much in common — they both started their careers by setting off bombs in public squares. In 1907, Stalin organized an armed robbery of a coach full of money in the main square of Tiflis. Forty people were killed and a further 50 wounded during the ambush, which netted about US$3.4 million for the Bolsheviks. The money was sent to Lenin in Finland, and then moved to Geneva, to finance propaganda and other subversive activities. Impressed by the result, Lenin was reported to have said that Stalin was “exactly the sort of person I need.”
Let’s listen to more of the song played by the band that gathered 75,000 for Obama in Portland:
Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labor and valorous deed.
“Valorous,” indeed. In the secondhand worldview of the confused Oregonian revolutionaries, facts get replaced by grotesque, radical myths. Like many American students reading Orwell’s 1984, they probably imagined that this book was written in support of a radical leftist ideology (the result of Bill Ayers-style education). I have met young people who believed that Big Brother was some evil conservative and a capitalist oppressor — not the spitting image of Joseph Stalin, whom I recognized as soon as I started reading it (of course, the first Russian translation of the book wasn’t made until the 1990s, after the fall of Communism).
On their pretentious website, the Decemberists point to Vladimir Nabokov as one among the “people and things we enjoy.” I’m sure Nabokov would be horrified. He spent his life in exile, running away from Communist fanatics who were destroying the classical Russian culture he represented.
While the Soviet anthem is indeed a powerful piece of music, it is but a small fragment of the once-powerful musical culture of Russia — a culture that languished under the heavy boot of Communism, along with all other forms of art. The few survivors lived not because of the regime’s “assistance,” but, rather, in spite of it.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and one learns nothing if history has been tampered with. And “nothing” is exactly the amount of knowledge this young generation of Americans has about the history of Socialist movements. As a result, thousands gather to cheer a Leftist candidate for the American Presidency, lured by a band of semi-literate dunces who start every performance by reiterating that the Party of Lenin is taking them to the triumph of Communism.
No wonder Obama’s voters aren’t disappointed by the reports of his radical connections. Bill Ayers blew up federal buildings? That is so cool! Jeremiah Wright hates America? That’s definitely a plus! You can now add the Decemberists to the list. They, like, play the Soviet anthem, man!
As I look at the picture of the Obama-supporting band amidst a wild mix of Communist clichés, I can’t help but remember our tongue-in-cheek Communists For Kerry during the legendary 2004 election:
Will there be Communists for Obama in 2008? It seems that there already are 75,000 in Oregon. Oh well. There will always be the People’s Cube.
Oleg Atbashian, a writer and graphic artist from Ukraine, currently lives in New York. He is the creator of ThePeoplesCube.com, a satirical website where he writes under the name of Red Square.
No doubt, there is someone left in America who still fears Communism and rock music, the Twin Terrors of 1953. That individual was probably not going to vote for Obama anyway, but I’m sure that he or she will feel validated to know that teenage music is still subversive and still a threat to our Precious Bodily Fluids.
I think Mr. Atbashian needs to go punch a Turk, just for the therapy. Fight the REAL enemy, Oleg!
There might be a number of Communists who prefer to see Barack “Barry” Obama win the presidency. He is a far left wing politician pretending to be more moderate. Obama’s followers are also somewhat similar to fascists who seek a “great leader” to guide them to an utopian future. The lack of specifics provided by him are most disturbing. Obama’s leadership style requires too much faith of the unwashed masses.
Barak Obama certainly has an intellectual tie to communism but I view him as worthy descendent of Benito Mussolini. It is unfortunate that Fascism has become little more then a empty insult wielded by so-called progressives because there is far intellectual content in Fascism then in any Marxist thinking save perhaps Marx himself. Fascism is a collectivist/commutatarian political ideology built around a central organizing myth. I could imagine Mussolini writing a note to Lenin telling him that his class based theory is nothing more then a specific instance of Fascist organization.
Obama’s vision of commutarian society probably is modeled on his constituents living on Chicago’s south side. Being a flexible lad, I think he has adopted the environmental (let’s call it eco-ism) gospel as his central organizing myth with which he can impose his new order on society.
The modern progressive movement is the victim of a post-modern joke. They have fallen victim to the intellectual manipulations of Professor Paul De Man, the late member of the Belgian Nazi Party, and have been conned into conflating Fascist modes of thinking with supposedly pure Marxism. Obama is the result and the mob supporting him knows or cares little about the intellectual origins of their movement.
Having lived and worked in both Communist and fascist states over the years I find the Obama phenomena truly repellant.
That said, I know of no better work to explain all of these phenomena than Eric Hoffer’s seminal work “The True Believer.”
Personally, I think it should be required reading for every highschool and college student out there. It gave me a paradigm to put all of these things into once I stated working abroad. I still read it every year or two as a reminder.
Just in case you need a reference on Oleg’s factoid
http://www.decemberists.com/news.aspx
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/portlandevent
nice work Oleg, wow…
The People’s Republic of Oregon did themselves proud with this massive worker’s rally. I’m sure a hard day in the sun (finally!) of listening to their favorite indie “people’s band”, political sloganeering by their favorite “people’s candidate” and getting to chant and shout their “people’s lungs” out for the coming “hope and change” revolution, and against the oppressive Bush regime, left them feeling a bit exhausted and spent.
Good thing they had already taken the considerable time and effort to mail off their ballot before beholding their anointed one! Their loyalty and enthusiasm to the cause is soooooo heartening!
Obama’s campaign is like something out of a bad political thriller written by Ayn Rand. How is it that a serious presidential candidate has all these links into the hard left? Black power, the Weather Underground, and now even a rock band that plays the Soviet National Anthem to introduce its shows!
The Decemberists (and just about everyone who fawns after Obama, including Obama himself) strike me as the types who grew up wallowing in freedom and therefore despising it, rather like those who grow up in wealth and therefore think money isn’t necessary. I like some of their songs, granted, but I also like paintings made by elephants. A decent end product doesn’t mean the artists know what they’re doing in areas that really matter.
Hats off to Oleg Atbashian. Clear thinking and clear writing. In English, no less. All honor.
According to his resume, Barack Obama spent years as a community organizer. Does “community organizer” not accurately translate to “leftist agitator?”
Does oppsition the “middle classedness” that Obama and his pastor espouse not translate to opposition the “bourgeoisie”?
This morning, Hon. Maxine Waters, an Obama supporter, threatened American oil executives with socialization of their industry from the floor of the House.
This American voter is amazed and apaled that a that a radical leftist could get as far as he has in American politics even to date. Geraldine Ferraro is right. If not for his race, Obama would not be running.
Are you guys saying that its ok to slam the state of Oregon or any other progressive state but the mountain folk of West Virginia and the people in Kentucky are off limits?
Here is a good article refuting the claim of 75,000 people showing up for the Decemberists and not for Obama. And if you read close you can see that the author is talking about you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/right-wing-obama-critics_n_102868.html
Hats off to Oleg Atbashian. If it walks like a commie and talks like a commie…
Obama’s resume tells us he is a “community organizer.” Does “community organizer” not accurately translate to “leftist agitator?”
Just who or what was Obama organizing for? How did he support himself? Would any employer in any business in America look favorably at “Community Organizer” in a job-applicant’s resume?”
Is opposition to “middle-classedness” that Obama and his pastor espouse not opposition to the “bourgeoisie?”
Barrack supporter Maxine waters threatens American oil executives with the nationalization of their industry from the floor of the house.
Are half of those voting in the Democratic primaries anywhere near so radically left as Barack and Michelle Obama? I don’t think so.
Geraldine Ferraro is right. If Barack were a white leftist radical, he could never have come this far.
No doubt, there is someone left in America who still fears Communism and rock music, the Twin Terrors of 1953. That individual was probably not going to vote for Obama anyway, but I’m sure that he or she will feel validated to know that teenage music is still subversive and still a threat to our Precious Bodily Fluids.
Yeah, nothing’s more subversive than opening for a major presidential candidate, or being a leftist in the music industry. This is the most subversive moment in the history of rock since Elvis met Nixon.
Oleg!
Great work. I cringe from the USSR symbols as much as from Nazi symbols. Unfortunately de-communization never happened.
Small correction about the dates of Russian publications. I went googling because I remember reading 1984 in Russian before I left USSR in the fall of 1989, i.e. before its collapse. So, thanks to Gorbachev’s Glasnost’.
First publication in USSR, in the Literaturnaya Gazeta , May of 1988: http://www.orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/lit_gaz/
http://www.orwell.ru/library/books/htm_file/011
http://www.orwell.ru/library/books/htm_file/002
“Are you guys saying that its ok to slam the state of Oregon or any other progressive state but the mountain folk of West Virginia and the people in Kentucky are off limits?”
Uh…you don’t see McCain saying people on the left coast cling to their lattes and laptops because they are “bitter” about their situation!
Thanks for the link though. It provided a very telling video of The Decemberists trashing America in one of their songs. Typical leftist “false analogy” propaganda…called “awesome” and “excellent” by the writer, to which the Obamessiah and his converts subscribe to.
Too bad it won’t fly in the general election when those “mountain folk” of Kentucky and WV and their combined 13 electoral votes will trounce Oregon’s 7.
politicalreacharound – Are you saying that you are a smug, mean-spirited progressive who tries to make his points by putting words into his opponents’ mouths and badgering them with have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife questions?
Wow, watching right-wingers trying to criticize a rock band is like… I can’t think of anything pathetic and amusing enough to compare this to. If anything, I’m heartened by the fact that Soviet Russia, the great enemy of my childhood, has been reduced to a kitchy curiosity that kids like the ones in this band use to irritate their elders.
If you have a problem with the Decembrists, there’s a good chance you’re a member of the party that just can’t seem to attract young people these days. Go yell at a cloud.
So, other than that, how was the show?
I don’t know why everyone is making a big fuss about the Decemberists. They are just a semi-popular Portland based indie band that tour playing mid-sized venues and the communist bit is typical pop culture schtick. You could have had a juggling act up there and the same number of people would have attened.
Rage Against the Machine, a band much more popular than the Decemberists, had hordes of fans unwittingly wearing communist symbols on their band clothing. They didn’t have luck coverting American kids into commies and I seriously doubt the Decemberist will fare any better.
It’s all about turning rebellion into money and all the talk about it is just raising their profile. Move on and let the band fall back off into indie-rock obscurity.
Is not Russia that we have to worry about but it’s close friend China.
There really is nothing to see here. The Soviets are a defeated foe and the Decemberists are kitsch loving pop artists. The fact that they support Obama has little to do with their use of the Soviet Anthem and more to do with the sort of thinking popular in their line of work and their region. I live in Portland, and spent a few hours by the river with the Obamites. Most of the 75,000 folk who spent that Sunday in the park were typical Leftists at varying stages of rabies. Some foamed at the mouth and some only had that slightly sane look in their eyes. All seemed more impressed with the feeling of Obama then in being able to pinpoint a specific ideology. The basic consensus is that he is the opposite of W, he is black, he is from all over the world, and is against the Iraq War. His speech said more of the same. Blame the economy and the war on the incumbent and then paint McCain as the incumbent. Lets just say I was more impressed by the blueness of the sky, the brightness of the sun and view of the river then anything I heard that day. No doubt, most of the folk there figured it was Obama that brought out the sun, cleared the sky and pissed out the river.
Why was this not reported in the Drive by
media? Shows they are in the tank for OBAMA
and Putin? What a slap in the face. Shows
B HO’s lack of judgement and experience.
He is just a on term senator after all…
Can you imagene if this was played at a Mcain
rally the media would nuts!!!
Heh.
I’m wondering what the Huffington Post or, actually, Daily Kos equivalent of this would be.
You know I was at McCain rally yesterday which featured guys revving their Harley Davidsons into insane levels of obnoxiousness. I’m sure that said something meaningful.
Or not.
Enough time wasted on this …
Man I love this. The Obama ranting really seems to just be jealousy. I have no vested interest in this election north of the border, except that, as goes things American, so goes a lot of Canada.
No, what really amazes me about right wing blog posts and Fox news editorial, is that you wish you had any kind of candidate on the right who looked half as good as Obama. The GOP senses they’ll get slaughtered in November and wish that McCain could get the kind of traction ‘Barry’ gets.
Like most stuff you float up the pole, the Decemberists is another red herring that you hope will detract from the central issue. The GOP is looking dead and desperate.
Hang ‘em high, baby.
‘EPICENTER’ by Joel C. Rosenberg describes it all. A goodly number of people are saying “Bring It On” the overpopulated earth needs periodic cleansing anyway.
To ultyrunner and company. Wow. It’s just SO cool to celebrate the anthems, and sing the songs of the world’s worst ever mass murderers, isn’t it? I bet you’d like to hear the Horst Wessel lied at the next Obama rally in Milwaukee, too. We already saw the Che flag in one of BHO’s campaign headquarters. Not to mention his weathermen buddies. Is this the change we can look forward to?
Rotwang wrote: “No doubt, there is someone left in America who still fears Communism and rock music, the Twin Terrors of 1953. That individual was probably not going to vote for Obama anyway, but I’m sure that he or she will feel validated to know that teenage music is still subversive and still a threat to our Precious Bodily Fluids.”
Rock music = communism? Wow. Thank you for illustrating the flaws in “progressive” logic for me. Let’s see what happens if we use the same logic in other areas of life:
EXAMPLE 1: Riding rollercoasters excites teenagers, and so does crack cocaine. If rollercoasters are clean and safe fun, then crack cocaine is also clean and safe fun. The parents wouldn’t ride rollercoasters or smoke crack just because they hate all things exciting. They are always wrong!
EXAMPLE 2: Talent and hard work can make you rich, but so can an armed robbery. If we punish those who commit robberies, we must also punish those who got rich through talent and hard work. This is what communists believe anyway. Alternatively, Hollywood believes that to glamorize criminals is just as legitimate as to glamorize talent (I must admit they’d never glamorize hard work). These are just two opposite sides of the same fake coin.
Flawed logic must be an important part (if not the reason) of becoming a “progressive.”
Perhaps realizing the weakness of the argument, Rotwang adds a personal attack: “I think Mr. Atbashian needs to go punch a Turk, just for the therapy. Fight the REAL enemy, Oleg!”
Rotwang obviously believes that everyone who has an Armenian-sounding last name must hate Turks because in 1915 the Turkish government massacred over a million Armenians in an organized genocide against Christian minorities (Greeks and Assyrians were also among the victims).
It is true that all of my grandfather’s family was slaughtered in 1915, in an Armenian village near the city of Kars. Go on, laugh about it if that makes you feel superior. But how does that invalidate my criticism of the radical Left in America and its connection to the Obama campaign?
Would you try to disparage an author with a Jewish last name by saying, “go punch a Nazi, just for the therapy”? But wait, the “progressives” do it all the time nowadays, only not in those words, and instead of Nazis they use Arabs and Muslims. They even developed a special word for the Jewish authors they disagree with: “Neocons.” The meaning of “Neocon” is this: “A Jew or a suspect Jew whom I really hate and would like to argue but I’m too feeble-minded to beat him on the issues, so I’ll just harass him by insinuating that his Jewishness invalidates everything he says.”
There is a left-leaning rock band named System of a Down, and their music sounds awfully angry. Now we know why: all their members are a Armenians. I suggest you also tell them to go punch a Turk just for the therapy. But you wouldn’t.
In the “progressive” mind, one’s ethnic origin or the shade of skin must determine the content of one’s character, political leanings, and the objects of love and hate. This is what the doctrine of multiculturalism and the practice of “community organizing” are all about. But wait, didn’t the Nazis also believe that one’s ethnic origin and the shape of one’s skull determines one’s character? Once again, these are the opposite sides of the same fake coin. It’s called collectivism.
Finally, Rotwang suggests that communism was never a REAL threat, alluding to Dr. Strangelove movie. Why did he then feel so strongly about defending it that he immediately wrote a comment and posted it in the middle of the night?
Ever since the Venona files were disclosed in 1995, no excuse was left for any American to say that McCarthyism was based on a wild fantasy. The facts about communist activities in the US were corroborated by the documents in declassified KGB archives. Those who continue to insist that communists were “innocent victims of a witch hunt” are either ignorant fools or have a malicious agenda and know exactly what they are doing. Which one are you, Rotwang?
“Are you guys saying that its ok to slam the state of Oregon or any other progressive state but the mountain folk of West Virginia and the people in Kentucky are off limits?”
Are you kidding?
Let’s start with the fact that Ky and WV are great, patriotic American states with hard working men and women who epitomize America. Oregon has hippies, yuppies and communists who turn out to hear a Marxist speak after a bunch of commies play bad music.
And by the way, your silly left wing hate rant from the HuffPo does NOT refute anything. I read it. Grow up.
Folks, it NOT the Decemberists who are the issue here…as much as the lefty rockers (who are right about Rage Against the Machine and System Of A Down, BTW) are thinking this is about…no kiddies, rock and roll is here to stay and some of us DO like it.
It’s about the culture, and about a candidate who would gladly patronize those who think America is the EVIL BOOGYMAN (didn’t I say that Decemberist video was telling?) of the world. The world view is, of course, lock-step in line with Wright, Barry’s wife, Ayers, and all the people he seems to surround himself with.
Well, frankly, it won’t fly with the vast majority of Americans, as much as the left thinks it will because of some Bush-fatigue or something. They will, and ARE trying their darndest to make this election about Bush…but Bush ain’t runnin’ this time.
Oh, and let’s not forget, the small thanks we, and all of Eastern Europe, owe Reagan that the Soviet Union “has been reduced to a kitchy curiosity that kids like the ones in this band use to irritate their elders”.
Kids these days…no wonder they like Obama so much. He is as bad with remembering history as they are:
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/05/23/a_gaffe,_an_absurdity,_and_a_policy
“politicalreacharound – Are you saying that you are a smug, mean-spirited progressive who tries to make his points by putting words into his opponents’ mouths and badgering them with have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife questions?”
Yes, he is. Every single one of this guy’s comments the past few weeks has been ignorant, elitist and silly…
“If you have a problem with the Decembrists, there’s a good chance you’re a member of the party that just can’t seem to attract young people these days. Go yell at a cloud.”
Typical foolishness. No one should desire the “Youth Vote” aside from perhaps Hitler. The average young person is a moron. They’ve never worked, thought on their own, pondered why they live in America, etc. I’m 30 now, and learned more in my first week after college than in four years at a “good” university.
The Youth don’t turn out to vote anyway.
Go play your guitar while we fight for your freedom. Take Obama with you, ok?
And most McCain rallies are filled with veterans. Obama’s rallies are filled with hatred, music and yelling about “peace” and “hope.”
“Why was this not reported in the Drive by
media? Shows they are in the tank for OBAMA
and Putin? What a slap in the face. Shows
B HO’s lack of judgement and experience.
He is just a on term senator after all…
Can you imagene if this was played at a Mcain
rally the media would nuts!!!”
The media has done more damage to Americans and their psyche than Obama can. Look at CNN.com anyday for doom and gloom, ignorance and avoiding real stories. In a perfect world, Matthews, Olbermann, the NY Times liars, HuffPo etc would all be in prison. Instead, they make millions, while most GOPers I know make 25-45k per year. And we’re the party of the rich?
BTW, most Youths I know who read and think for themselves, and have jobs, vote Republican. The losers at the Starbucks near Harvard who regurgitate whatever their profs say and have yet to be in the real world, vote for Hussein Obama.
I have no doubt that some communists are supporting Obama. The remainder are divided between Clinton supporters and those who hate everyone and are going to Denver to recreate ’68.
I’m sure that a McCain rally was fronted by a rock band that wore Nazi regalia and played Deutschland Uber Alles, rotwang and his ilk would be just as accepting as they are of Obama and the Decembrists.
Mr. Atbashian is sick…. want real news .
Watch: McCain’s “Spiritual Guide” Wants America to Destroy Islam, courtesy Robert Greenwald of Brave New Films
go to http://www.wegoted.com/
Ed Head… want brain… That was a nice pro-McCain video from Mother Jones that you posted. Of course they wanted it to sound negative, but for a lot of people it may actually help to make a choice for McCain. I’d say Mother Jones’s zeal was quite foolish. Instead of attracting votes to their candidate they’ve achieve the opposite. Once again, the Democrats are spending money on self-defeating mud slinging ads – so that McCain won’t have to.
I can’t wait for bread lines and five year plans. It’s so nostalgic and so exciting. I can’t wait to be forced into a tiny condominium and save money for ten years to buy a car that is copied from somewhere else but is full of flaws. Barry’s my man.
The problem for Obama–no matter how much his supporters wish to smirk and dismiss–is that voters keep finding Obama in the company of Weather Underground bombers, black racist preachers and congregrants, MoveOn.org, Hamas, Code Pink,Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam, Malcolm X, rock groups waving red commie flags and singing red commie anthems, and advisers who meet with Hamas.
It’s not like all these folks are counter-balanced by the time Obama spent hangin with William F. Buckley, Young Americans for Freedom, and listening to Pat Boone records.
No, somehow Obama’s associations go only one way–to the hard left, radical, anti-American, black supremacist directions.
Sure, there’s no way to determine who among the 75,000 who listened to Obama in Portland were there for Obama and who were there because the most popular hometown rock group, which has no compunction about celebrating one of the most heinous political regimes in human history, was giving a free concert.
Ultimately this is going to cost Obama.
Why does everyone who starts off slinging mud at Obama goes into this Obamamessiah schtick as if he was the first person to say anything bad about him? He does have a voting record and political platform he is running on, so why don’t the Obamamessiah whiners start with that instead of acting like some child who just discoverd the next block over has houses like his family’s?
Oleg Atbashian said:
“for a lot of people it may actually help to make a choice for McCain.”
Astute observation. From an American’s point of view, at least this “spiritual guide”, unlike Rev. Wright, is rooting for the right side!
Oleg, thanks for a good article. Quick correction – 1984 was published in the USSR before the fall of communism, somewhere in end 80ies. I remember I read it in high school. If you remember, Gulag was published when Gorbachev was still the General Secretary.
As for the rest, Obama’s crowd is expected to have a good number of pro-communist idiots. Do you remember when Che Gevara’s portraits were proudly displayed on the walls in his campaign offices? Well, same with “Decembrists” singing communist songs. It all makes perfect sense. The reason is simple – the media does not know that communism is just as bad as naziism. Ignorance is not bliss.
An anecdote regarding American politics from one Russian immigrant’s POV :
I had a dental appt. the other day. My dentist is from Russia, and she remembers life under the Soviets. She thinks it’s silly for a country as rich as ours to be calling on people to lower the thermostat and eat less. She remembers real deprivation, not the kind of made-up stuff Obama and others are calling for in order to make the rest of the world like us better.
Not surprisingly, she doesn’t like Obama- she likens him to Jimmy Carter. And she doesn’t like Mrs. Clinton- she calls her a socialist. She is truly concerned about what Obama and the Dems will do to the economy and her business. And she is surprised that people in this country are not more alarmed by, (what she views as), the socialist policies of the Democrats.
We’ve had some interesting political discussions over the years. (Well, truth-be-told they are mostly one-sided since she usually has her hands in my mouth.) Her perspective leads me to believe that people who lean towards socialism, should talk with people who experienced it first hand.
I think this author and Night Owl’s dentist should make the rounds of college campuses.
Give them a dose of reality.
They can start in Oregon and move eastward. I’m not kidding.
My son is home from his private, elite university near Boston. He is informing me of the academic climate, the same one that on a larger scale, is largely responsable for having promoted and propelled this insipid talking suit into our electoral process and now dances menacingly, like some malevolent court jester, at the door of the White House. All students at his school were required to read Obama’s propaganda book (a simular strategy devised by Joe Kennedy who had ghost writers write “Profiles in Courage”, which the liberal Dem conduits dutifully promoted as the “brilliant” work of JFK.) Most speakers this year (paid by our tuitions) were anti-war and pro-Obama. My son reports that he vast majority of students at his school haven’t a clue about, as Michelle Obama would say, “the issues,” not to speak of politics, government, history, economics. To them, this election is just American Idol with a messianic, let’s-relive-the-60′s-myth twist. The academics behind this fraud and spoon-feeding of gullible and barely literate students of universities are simply revived sociaist warriors of the 60′s and 70′s trying to recapture their lost dreams and hopes from their misspent youth of a “people’s paradise,” and ever running from reality, like the archetype Ayers, they take refuge in the swampy, fluid, yet reality-resistant world of academia. Obama, from his “Yes we Can” (Si se Puede) cribbing of slogans from socialist movements, to echoing people like Chavez on foreign policy, is simply irresistibly following the same philosophical roots his intellectual predecessors were infected by – Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche..ad nauseum.
The more I read the posts from Obamaniacs on this board and others the more they remind me of the members of the “People’s Temple.
I think to be fair, it’s just that people like Obama live in an insulated bubble. They have no idea how far from the mainstream they are.
I know, I used to.
Huxley makes the point that’s been nagging at me for a few weeks now:
Have any of us “normal” Americans heard of even one (1) friend or associate of Obama that we’d want to spend 30 seconds with? I can’t think of one.
The heck with race and gender. That would be the most notable historical first should he be elected.
For what it’s worth, the Soviet National Anthem does sound good when sung with full orchester, think Red Army choir, but so does almost any anthem I’ve heard. The “most” stems from me having never actually heard an good renditon of the german national anthem.
Claiming a concert crowd as audience when just cornered them and they couldn’t get away…
Bet Obama is pissed that these whole “World can’t wait” concerts are over ?
“Uh, You don’t see McCain saying people on the left coast cling to their lattes and laptops because they are “bitter” about their situation!” Dave, May 23, 2008 – 9:06 am
In Germany, the conservatives in Bavaria are known for “Lederhosen and Laptops!!!
HA!
Bill Bradley, May 23, 2008 – 12:37 pm
What a loser. When Will PAJAMAS MEDIA finally pull the plug on this loser?!
Javelin: I must admit that some of these comments are so unintelligible that one wishes for remedial English classes for everyone. You might benefit. Just exactly what “record” are you referencing? Voting “present” does not a record make.”Political platform”? More like a slip and slide my kids used to play on outside when it got hot. To say Obama backtracts as he moves forward each day is to state the obvious to everyone who has an ounce of sense.
You may long for America’s first kumbaya president but I hope and pray that most Americans won’t fall for that crap.
Javelin: I must admit that some of these comments are so unintelligible that one wishes for remedial English classes for everyone. You might benefit. Just exactly what “record” are you referencing? Voting “present” does not a record make. “Political platform”? More like a slip and slide my kids used to play on outside when it got hot. To say Obama backtracts as he moves forward each day is to state the obvious.
You may long for America’s first kumbaya president but I hope and pray that most Americans will see the danger in that.
patsy: May 23, 2008 – 11:59 am
“Why was this not reported in the Drive by
media? Shows they are in the tank for OBAMA
and Putin? What a slap in the face. Shows
B HO’s lack of judgement and experience.
He is just a on term senator after all…
Can you imagene if this was played at a Mcain
rally the media would nuts!!!”
It wasn’t reported because today’s typical liberal ideology (the one of which the Drive-Bys seem to be so enamored) sees the failure of communism and socialism as a symptom of poor leadership. They figure that with the right people in charge, it will work as promised. As of right now, Barack Obama is their “correct” person. There are so many things wrong with that method of thinking my head would explode just trying to parse it.
The article is a stretch. The logic is not something to be taken seriously.
First, Obama’s appearance in Oregon gathered record 75 thousand his supporters. Were they all “Decembrists”?
Second, Obama is going to compete with McCaine for presidency. Everybody in the world who is watching for the show, is choosing from the two. No other choice is offered. So, the fact that the “Decembrists” like Obama better than McCain means just that McCaine is not good for them. Same with HAMAS. HMAS, I am sure, would rather have Sheik Nasralla as the USA president, but he is not running this time. They prefer Obama? It is a matter of whom to prefer. Why Obama has connections to HAMAS than? There may be some really ugly guy, mean and nasty, or even terrorist, who may choose Obama over McCaine. There may be the one of the same kind, who would like McCaine better, so what? Some “white supremacist” or racist from Idaho may hate Obama and choose McCaine. Does it mean that McCaine is a white supremacist or has connection to the new-Nazis?
Third, the mentioned musicians are not necessarily Marxists or communists, just because they are playing the USSR state anthem. Musicians, artists, all kind of art people, they like to do something unusual or even shocking for the public. Like Virgin Mary’s portrait made from elephant’s poop. Ozzie Osborne, used to bite off live pigeons and live bat’s heads when on the scene. The band “Kiss” had their double “S”, depicted like Nazi’s SS logo. So what?
Oleg, people in the USA appreciate your choice to leave the USSR and to come to their country. The USSR does not exist any longer. Relax man. Enjoy your life here; your good car, your house… You did not have all this in the USSR, did you? Nobody is going to take it from you, why work so hard to prove your new loyalty, and that you are more an “American” than the Americans? Get used to the democratic life style, which is characteristic to your new country, the USA. It allows all these: rebellious rock-groups, dissent, freedom of speech, playing music one wants to play, voting for whoever, to be liberal or conservative. It is a free country.
As about:
I have quite an emotional connection to this music: the Soviet-era one-channel radios used to play it at six every morning as a nationwide wake-up call, causing me hours of lost sleep. I tried to escape this dark memory by coming to America, but the American “progressives” just won’t let me forget.
Why did not you turned off your “one-channel radio” to sleep in? And why you just do not ignore the American “progressives”?
“Russian Bear,” your logic is backwards: The Decemberists didn’t just coincidentally “show up” because they like Obama, rather they were chosen by the Obama campaign collective to draw the maximum number of attendees to an Obama event. And THAT is an issue to be taken seriously, unlike most of your other apologist remarks.
Russian Bear:
Thank you for correcting my thoughtcrime and telling me how to think properly. Of course, moving to America and buying a nice used car are sufficient reasons to have my memory erased and forget why for 70 years generations of Soviets lived as slaves in misery and oppression, bamboozled by a collectivist ideology. It can never happen again in another country, can it?
And thank you for finally explaining to me what being an American means. On my own, I would’ve never guessed that to be an American means to just stop thinking, enjoy material comfort, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain who knows what’s best for all of us.
Your kind patronizing words leave no doubt that the American Dream means to trust our lives to a benevolent charismatic leader who will save us from the dangers of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I didn’t see it in the Constitution myself, but I feel I can trust you because you sounded so condescending.
Too bad Putin is not on the ballot. In lieu of Vladimir, Obama is America’s next best choice, promising the American people a smorgasbord of entitlements. Funny that you didn’t even mention Hillary as an option. Who’s Hillary? Never heard of this non-person. The Party has spoken: she never existed. Purged for the Greater Good, even before the California primary.
Why can’t I just sit back and relax? Life would be so easier if I could stop seeing the difference between right and wrong, truth and lies, good and evil. Everything should be equal – wasn’t that the thinking behind the creation of this country?
But I’m not the only ex-Soviet in America who has trouble relaxing. Before me there was an immigrant named Ayn Rand, who in spite of owning a nice car, continued to look for the meaning of American freedoms. And she deduced that freedom of speech included the freedom to disagree and not to support one’s own antagonists.
What freedom of speech didn’t mean, she wrote, was that private citizens must “provide a microphone for the man who advocates their destruction, or a passkey for the burglar who seeks to rob them, or a knife for the murderer who wants to cut their throats.”
Why couldn’t she just shut up and get used to the twilight morality that you take for “democratic life style?” Perhaps because like me, as you so shrewdly pointed out, she was afraid that if she didn’t write all that, the government would take away her car.
Russian Bear said:
“…Nobody is going to take it from you … Get used to the democratic life style, which is characteristic to your new country, the USA. It allows all these: rebellious rock-groups, dissent, freedom of speech, playing music one wants to play, voting for whoever, to be liberal or conservative. It is a free country.”
Would that this were always true! However, look beyond the USA. Freedom isn’t a given; freedom is not naturally occurring. In the USA, it was fought for; people died for it. Look at history. Throughout, people have been fighting to be free from one form of tyranny or another. The history of man is the story of one group imposing its will on another; and the latter group resisting or losing its autonomy.
We must NEVER be complacent about our freedom; but be diligently aware of, and oppose the attempts to curtail or destroy it. Young people would do well to realize this, or the freedom they take for granted today will be nothing but a footnote in history; assuming that footnote is not purged from our collective memory as well.
Think I am an alarmist? Again, look at the history of mankind. It shows that the human race is it’s own worst enemy, always. It’s capacity for horror and atrocity unlimited. A civilization ignores that reality at its peril.
Left off my conclusion:
And voices like Oleg’s have every right to be heard, as a reminder to this reality.
Every Democratic contender promises to change America. If change is what Americans want, Putin can give it to you better than any other candidate. Trust me, it won’t be some cosmetic do-over – it will be a change that’s final and irreversible.
I challenge all activists who talk about change to put their money where their mouth is and support Vladimir Putin for American President.
Just a note to the post by B. Bradley above:
The “obnoxious” revving of motors was most likely caused by the members of Rolling Thunder who gather annually on this weekend to honor those who’ve sacrificed for us. It would be fitting that they would be at a rally for Senator McCain. They’re mostly veterans themselves who also give hundreds of thousands of dollars each year to charitable causes.
Unlike the Decemberists, these are patriots whose service to our country and their countrymen continues. And unlike Mr. Obama – who made no mention of those who have sacrificed for our freedoms in his address today to the graduates of Wesleyan – they will not forget those to whom we owe our freedoms.
While this might not say anything “meaningful” to Mr. Bradley, it speaks volumes to me.
Obama = Jimmy Carter X 10
National Malaise under Obama = 10 X National Malaise under Carter
Kumbaya = Obamassiah
Submit and be assimilated into the Obama-borg collective. Resistance is futile!
Oh, you are still driving a used car, not a brand new? And still trying to entertain Americans, you wanna be a friend to, with horror stories about your sleep deprivation by CPSU (or KGB) while living in the USSR? Than you may not understand some things.
OK, I am going to explain…
“The Chicago Tribune” wrote about 75 000 Oregonians that came to see B. Obama, because they indeed came. The crowd and the weather conditions described right. I do not see any specific style the Soviet poets used to glorify public appearances of the great Stalin. Just normal report about the event, as it was. The Tribune did not write about “the Decembrists”, not because of the fear to harm Barak Obama’s reputation, but because, who the hell, those Decembrists are? I doubt that the Tribune’s correspondent even heard about that band. (I, myself, being in the USA for 15 years, just learned about this group from you.)
So, to call the show of a insignificant musical group the most interesting development is just a work of your imagination. The Decembrists’ support of Obama says nothing new. The active politically young people, both the radical and the moderate will vote for Obama. He promises changes, and changes is what the USA needs. But it, by no means, make Obama kinder or meaner, better or worse. What matters is not who are among the Obama’s sympathizers, but what Obama says and what plans he may have for the USA.
If stripped of all the husks about your personal agonizing experience under the communist rule in the USSR and the irrelevant robbery of a coach full of money by Stalin in 1907 in Tbilisi, your article is:
The Decembrists are playing the Soviet Union anthem, so they are communists. They came to sing in support of Barak Obama. That means the Communists support Barak Obama. Communists are bad. That means that bad people support Barak Obama. We are good people, and we must not support Barak Obama.
I do not buy your point. You put together superficial facts. It is just a cheap propaganda trick. The state of the USA political life and the phenomenon of Barak Obama’s rise of popularity are more complex.
Comrade Bear, your slip is showing, dahlink! Andn what a lovely shade of pink…SALUTE!
Night Owl
Freedom isn’t a given; freedom is not naturally occurring. In the USA, it was fought for; people died for it.
Well… True, but somewhat stereotypical. The land of the free because of the brave… Heard about that.
But do you know that many nations have more freedoms for their citizens than the USA? And they fought much bloodier battles for that?
The USA has had a rather lucky history of fighting for freedom.
What fights for freedom for Americans were there?
The main one was the Revolutionary War. But from the other point of view it was a treason rebellion against the Mother-state Britain. OK, it was for freedom. What else?
The Civil War? Was it for freedom of the black slaves? Mmmm… I do not think that was the main reason for the white Yankees to start killing each other. That was more about the separatism of the Southern states. To save the Union.
No foreign power ever challenged the USA freedom. But the opposite occurred pretty often.
Japan attacked in 1942 not to conquer the USA and to strip the Americans of their freedoms, but just to kick the USA, which was interfering into Japaneese plans, out of the Pacific away from the planned Japaneese world. What else… The Vietnam War was not about American freedom, that is for sure. The numerous interventions in the Latin America either…
Most of the accomplishments by the American people in gaining and developing their freedoms have been achieved in the internal struggle between the conservatives and the liberals.
The right to vote for the blacks, the right to vote for women (in 1920, pretty late, compared to the other nations), improvement of working class rights, desegregation in 1960-th (pretty late again), overcoming McCartism in 50-ths, all these must be credited to the Liberals. They were dying, for the cause. If there were no liberals but conservative Christians and Republicans only, Pat Robertson would be the President of the USA now, and we would still have slavery, supported and justified by the Apostle Paul’s writings.
So, if you like freedoms, why do you think it is bad to be a liberal or a Democrat? Like, say, Obama?
“Russian Bear”, you should stop digging your hole; you’re only making it deeper.
You are exhibiting pure WAR IS PEACE, HATE IS LOVE (etc etc) Orwellian hypocricy – can’t call it logic….
One example: “The Vietnam War was not about American freedom, that is for sure.”
Well, duh, buddy. Try keeping the Communist North away from the free South. Try America any number of times trying to do the right thing.
Try learning to think, instead of spewing your party line (Copyright 2008, The Bamboozler Collective) prattle.
Russian Bear, tell me what fine American university where you indoctrinated (oops I mean) educated at? I see a bright future for you as a teacher or perhaps even a professor of American history.
LOL. Russian Bear judges my understanding of issues by the car I’m driving and she thinks that makes her a full-fledged American. How many negative stereotypes can you count here? Talk about liberal elitism.
Without stopping to think about that, she assumes it gives her the right to be condescending and presumptuous – which is actually the only “right” that “liberals” have contributed to this country and can take credit for.
I made a mistake of believing she was a full-sized Bear but she turned out to be an intellectual Chihuahua who can only see things on her own eye level: automobile exhaust pipes, kibble, other Chihuahuas, and people’s ankles.
That explains the parochial thinking. She is biting at the ankles simply because she can’t reach higher.
Russian Bear has made many assumptions about me. Let me make one about her (apart from assuming it’s a she). She is used to being the “smart one” in her immigrant family because she has learned English better than others (possibly went to a public school and/or community college here), and in that role she continues to give advice and patronize strangers.
I have met fellow immigrants who kindly treated me as if I were mentally retarded – just because I spoke their language. Naturally, such people tend to be Democrats.
They are Chihuahua-sized elitists. No wonder they like Obama.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but he’s not as “new” as you may think. Look up “inter caecos regnat strabus.”
Tolik –
Yes, I agree that the USSR symbols are morally equivalent to the Nazi symbols. But while nobody puts swastikas on their T-shits (thank God for that), shirts red stars, CCCP, and hammers and sickles are quite common among young Americans. What does that tell you about the state of education and intellectual discourse in the academia?
And thanks for the links to the first Russian publications of 1984. I stand corrected – it happened in 1988 under Gorbachev. This link of yours shows the 1989 soft-cover edition I used to have.
http://www.orwell.ru/library/books/htm_file/002
The book must still be standing on a shelf in my parents’ home among my other books.
Ed Wallis
“Try keeping the Communist North away from the free South. Try America any number of times trying to do the right thing.
The following is a timetable of the Vietnam War development:
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1945.html
A few lines:
July 21, 1954 – The Geneva Accords divide Vietnam in half at the 17th parallel, with Ho Chi Minh’s Communists ceded the North, while Bao Dai’s regime is granted the South. The accords also provide for elections to be held in all of Vietnam within two years to reunify the country. The U.S. (one of the Jeneva Accords signitaries) opposes the unifying elections, fearing a likely victory by Ho Chi Minh.
note: Viet Minh, the heroes of the anti-colonial war were very popular, and could win fair and democratic elections. (me)
October 26, 1955 – The Republic of South Vietnam is proclaimed with Diem as its first president. In America, President Eisenhower pledges his support for the new government and offers military aid.
Diem assigns most high level government positions to close friends and family members including his younger brother Ngo Dinh Nhu who will be his chief advisor. Diem’s style of leadership, aloof and autocratic, will create future political problems for him despite the best efforts of his American advisors to popularize him via American-style political rallies and tours of the countryside.
President Diem rewards his Catholic supporters by giving them land seized from Buddhist peasants, arousing their anger and eroding his support among them. Diem also allows big land owners to retain their holdings, disappointing peasants hoping for land reform.
January 1956 – Diem launches a brutal crackdown against Viet Minh suspects in the countryside. Those arrested are denied counsel and hauled before “security committees” with many suspects tortured or executed under the guise of ‘shot while attempting escape.’
May 8-18 – Diem pays a state visit to Washington where President Eisenhower labels him the “miracle man” of Asia and reaffirms U.S. commitment. “The cost of defending freedom, of defending America, must be paid in many forms and in many places…military as well as economic help is currently needed in Vietnam,” Eisenhower states.
Diem’s government, however, with its main focus on security, spends little on schools, medical care or other badly needed social services in the countryside. Communist guerrillas and propagandists in the countryside capitalize on this by making simple promises of land reform and a better standard of living to gain popular support among peasants.
July 1956 – The deadline passes for the unifying elections set by the Geneva Conference. Diem, backed by the U.S., had refused to participate.
January 1957 – The Soviet Union proposes permanent division of Vietnam into North and South, with the two nations admitted separately to the United Nations. The U.S. rejects the proposal, unwilling to recognize Communist North Vietnam.
And you call this “free South” and the war- “American support for democracy”?
And how about this:
August 3, 1964 – The Maddox, joined by a second destroyer U.S.S. C. Turner Joy begin a series of vigorous zigzags in the Gulf of Tonkin sailing to within eight miles of North Vietnam’s coast, while at the same time, South Vietnamese commandos in speed boats harass North Vietnamese defenses along the coastline. By nightfall, thunderstorms roll in, affecting the accuracy of electronic instruments on the destroyers. Crew members reading their instruments believe they have come under torpedo attack from North Vietnamese patrol boats. Both destroyers open fire on numerous apparent targets but there are no actual sightings of any attacking boats.
August 4, 1964 – Although immediate doubts arise concerning the validity of the second attack, the Joint Chiefs of Staff strongly recommend a retaliatory bombing raid against North Vietnam.
Press reports in America greatly embellish the second attack with spectacular eyewitness accounts although no journalists had been on board the destroyers.
???
Is not this funny?
Well, if the USA, you think, was so concerned about democracy and freedom why did she go that far-10 000 miles away, why did not she tried to bring the freedom to the own “backyard”- Latin America, first? Let see, to François Duvalier’s Haiti for example?
Russian Bear said:
“So, if you like freedoms, why do you think it is bad to be a liberal or a Democrat? Like, say, Obama?”
Since you asked
:
My comment actually said nothing about liberals vs conservatives, Democrats vs Republicans. They were not relevant, in my view, to the point I was making about the dangers of becoming complacent about freedom. If you want to argue that liberals are better at achieving freedom than conservatives, that a completely different issue, that deserves more attention than I wish to expend at this time.
In addition, your views on American history are interesting in so far as they express your opinion. I’ll not debate you on those points since you’re entitled to your opinions, and I don’t feel a compelling desire to try to change your mind. But as you yourself admit, your views do not negate or refute anything I said in my comment.
Regarding your question:
Currently, the Dems seem to me to have lost their bearings (and their sanity), by openly embracing anti-American extremists. They will not get my vote, at least not for president, until they divorce themselves from the krazy kos krowd.
They have also become too Ivory Tower group-think elitist too me. They have divorced themselves from reality and therefore their policies are dangerously flawed (I will not expound on how, since this post would be too long.) Suffice to say that the current flavor of “liberal thinking ” is, to me, damaging to families and society, and too focused on pushing the concept of increasing an individual’s dependence on the govt. And finally, they are leaning too far towards socialism, which in my view is a flawed economic system. ( I won’t even get into Dem foreign policy, since it seems merely to be a popularity contest to them.) Obama to me represents all the negatives I associate with his party.
You, and many others, may not agree with most of my opinions about libs and Dems, which is perfectly fine. I respect that others have opinions that are 180 degrees from mine, and have no intentions of trying to force them to agree with me. All I ask is that they in turn, respect my right to my own views.
The fact that Obama allowed a rally, in support of his presidential candidacy, to open with this band is again rather telling to me.
Just as his laughing remark regarding his prior drug use that “inhaling was the whole purpose,” and just as he chose to use hand gestures (one gross) to make fun of his opponent and entertain a crowd, this decision of his reveals a man not ready for leadership.
One who would lead calls each of us to something higher, something better. And we should expect to see evidence of this as he introduces himself to us. A leader doesn’t bend to the weaknesses of the crowd to earn their approval or adoration. Or their vote. He should show far more maturity.
Not just his words, but his actions, should reveal a life of strong character and solid judgment.
Obama addressed Wesleyan graduates this weekend. I only heard a few words chosen by the media. I’m sure the cable station wanted to show him in the best light. But the few words I heard had a hollow ring, an irony to them.
He spoke of the importance of choosing a life of public service, obviously making himself the premier example. Mentioning, I’m fairly certain, as I’ve heard so many times, his ‘community organizing.’ And then he went on to say what struck me as so ironic. He counseled against going after “the big house and expensive suits.”
He chose just those two.
Who is not aware of the rather smelly deal in which he partnered with an indicted crook to land himself the big house? And who is not aware that many have commented on his fashionable, pricey suits – in fact, even implying his suits had more substance than the man himself?
This man has counted on his words to dazzle the uninformed. And to a large – and alarming – extent, he’s been successful. Until he relinquishes those trappings he sought so assiduously for himself, he will be just another hypocrite to me.
In the meantime, he’s proven his mansion has more character and his Armanis more substance.
I forgot to add one other point:
The fact that the vast majority of the mainstream media self-identifies as Democrat makes me uncomfortable. While the influence of the MSM is waning, it is still the main source of news for most Americans. The group-think mentality of the MSM is a threat to the autonomy of those who disagree with their point of view. If the media does not act as an additional check and balance on the govt., then they become mere propagandists.
Oleg – calling Obama a commie is like calling the sky blue. Your retorts in the comment section are far more entertaining, and spot on!
A proletarian and loyal follower of The Peoples Cube,
Karl
CommieObama.com
Night Owl
Thank for your response.
The USA is a strong nation. The state system is well working and self-tuning bot politically (strong and balanced branches of power)and economically (market). It is easy to govern this country because the subjective factor does not play a significant role (unlike in Russia). The system allows some zig-zaging but keeps the vector the same.
Yes, Obama is a risk. But McCain is dull and unpromising. McCain will be another George W. Bush,- don’t we have enough? Obama will not be able to mess up a lot, even in the worst case scenario. What may he do wrong, indeed? Socialism and communism are impossible in this country. American freedoms, you are worried about, are unshakable. Obama may loosen up the welfare requirements for the poor. He may advocate some subsidised health insurance to the self-employed low middle class, which they can not afford on their own. He may raise the taxes on the richer Americans, like it was when Clinton at the office. And that is gonna be it. Not that scary. Nothing to lose, the prices for gasoline are already too high.
Let the guy try. He is an exotic one for the position. It is just interesting what he will be able to do and to accomplish.
And he may certainly improve the today USA image (can not be worse) in the world if he becomes the first president after James Carter not to bomb any other nation.
For the last 8 years the USA political life has been boring like 0:1 score(we are loosing) in a soccer game.
It is time for energizing the game, time for change.
Russian Bear wrote: “What may he (Obama) do wrong, indeed?”
All your comments, including this one, show that you don’t really know the difference between right and wrong. How can you then give advice on it or offer any valid opinion?
Freedoms are unshakable? That just shows how much you know. And the liberal methodology will not help you in learning more.
If you want to score points with conservatives, please keep pointing at the good works of Jimmy Carter. Works every time.
UPDATE:
In his Memorial Day speech yesterday, Obama said “….fought Fascism, and ….. in Korea and Vietnam”
OBAMA DID NOT IDENTIFY WHAT AMERICANS FOUGHT IN KOREA & VIET NAM – COMMUNISM!
How could he? That would be an insult to the memory of all his favorite heroes, and a betrayal of his and their ideals. In his circles, communism is a good thing.
But most importantly, that would disappoint his most trusted base – the radical left.
“Obama will not be able to mess up alot, even in the worst case scenario”
You mean THIS worst case scenario?
–Obama in the Oval Office (with all his liberal/radical advisors),
–Maxine Waters “socialists” in Congress (did you hear HER gaffe?!), and
–Ruth B. Ginsbergs added to Supreme Court (rubber stamped by Dems)
They, and their ilk, may very well control ALL three branches of government. There goes Checks and Balances, kiddo.
These guys do what “feels right” to THEM. The (clueless) Constitutional lawyer Obama admitted he’s looking for this kind of judge. The law be damned. They’ll write their own if it “feels” better.
And you don’t think he could mess up a lot. Think again. Oh, wait, you said it yourself, didn’t you –
“Yes, Obama is a risk.”
And by the way, this guy’s got Carter written all over him. I remember gas lines and out-of-sight interest rates during his lousy administration. We couldn’t get that guy out of office fast enough.
And now he goes about the world trying to screw things up for everybody else. As if he hadn’t done enough damage already…
Obama: Jimmy Carter’s Second Term. That would be a best case scenario.
Believer
Well if this is your belief…
Of course, you can speculate…
But George W. Bush legacy is not good.
At home, the rich become richer and the poor- poorer. Dollar is falling, prices are going up, inflation is high. Gasoline is already above $ 4, and it is not over yet. The state debt skyrocketed after Bill Clinton.
A lot of people bought their houses to make their dream true, and are not able to pay their mortgage now, moreover they paid huge money on the peak of the rising prices for houses, and now the prices fall down, and people loosing their money.
Everybody in the world laughed at WMD as the justification for war with Iraq. Poor smart man Collin Powell, who was shaking chemical tubes with the alleged anthrax in UN, was set up to look like a liar, and having been ashamed, resigned. The USA lost credibility and respect as a strong and justice world power.
The Bush’s tough stance on the North Korea turned out to be a farce. North Koreans ahieved their goals and humiliated the USA.
Osama ben Laden is still at large, and so on, and alike…
And I can speculate too. About McCain.
That he will gather a team of the old veterans incapable to change (why indeed employers prefer younger workers?)
anything in the economy to a better. What credentials does McCain have to prove his capability?
He has the Cold War mentality. He is inclined to rely more on the military force than on diplomacy. And the USA already have overused her military power, so that the world is not happy about it. We may lose our good allies. Salvador and Romania are not a good substitute for Germany and France. McCain with his soldier’s strait-forwardness may mess up with Iran, and the world will get another oil crisis. So, that the lines of the Carter time will look not that long for you…
Oleg,
you have written a false article. It is false both factually and by its logic and conclusions.
Just look at your supposed sufferings from “sleep deprivation” by the “evil communists” who were playing the USSR State Anthem into your ears every morning at 6 am…
Everybody who lived in the USSR is laughing at you.
Yes, almost every house had that wired 1 channel radio (kind of a cable for the fee of 50 cents a month), but you could get 3 channel cable or buy a wireless receiver and listen even to the “Voice of America”, when it was not jammed, which was possible pretty often. Right, the State Radio broadcast (Radio Moscow) began at 6 am. with playing the Anthem (that was the state Radio, after all), but if you had turned it off before going to bed, it would not awaken you. And even the “evil KGB” would not send you to Siberia for not listening to the Anthem at 6 am, or not listening the radio at all.
The same with you calling the rock-band Decembrists “communists”. The guys just like the Soviet symbols and red color, they are just epaters.
Same are you insinuations about Barak Abama connection to the “terrorist” Bill Ayers, whom you compared to not less than to Stalin himself.
But Obama was not with Bill Ayers in his “terrorist organization”. They met after all the charges against Bill Ayers were already dropped, and he (Ayers) become a distinguished professor. They worked together for 3 years in the Board of Directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which is not a “terrorist organisation” but anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established in 1941.
So, man, you are stretching the facts over your own lies to make them looking credible. You are not a trustworthy person, to talk about “the right and the wrong”.
And get this as a present from me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuV4iHakw50&feature=related
Enjoy.
Russian Bear, Oleg will correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m willing to bet he speaks of a time when he lived in a place where he was not head of the household, where lots of other people resided, and he had no say-so over whether or not the radio was turned off at night. That seems a logical conclusion to me. I used to be in the U.S. military and had similar experiences.
You seem to be obsessing over the “sleep deprivation” reference. I thought it was an innocuous but otherwise interesting observation on his part; whereas you’re trying to turn it into a distraction from the “real issues”–and the real issue is that Obama has neither the experience nor the qualifications to be leader of the free world.
Let’s correct the record:
That “state” debt could be attributed to a war. It ain’t been cheap. Throw in a few major natural disasters both at home and abroad and you have debt. We’re generous even when our own needs are great.
The only thing Bill Clinton did in the Oval Office was drop his drawers. He ignored the terrorist hits and Bush got left with the mess. Seven months into his administration, still getting his team together, delayed by the Gore/Dem hissy fit.
The only reason Clinton got a second term was because Dick Morris talked him into going along with the Republican Congress and not veto their bill to Balance the Budget. He’d been fighting it, even saying it would take as much as 15yrs. to do it. How wrong he was.
Bush has been too nice to liberals. He’s spent like one. It’s why he’s unpopular with conservatives. Government has grown. But not as much as it will under the Democrats. It’s all they know to do.
McCain will veto bills with ridiculous pork. It’s a definite strength of his. Obama? He will be an unmitigated disaster for the economy. We’ll not only have more entitlements that we won’t be able to get rid of later, but the only bill I know he’s attached his name to is the Global Poverty Act. Billions to other nations – and I’m sure it’ll be a fortune never seen by those in need. Per usual. But that bill needs an especially close look – at some point our nation’s sovereignty might be at risk. No surprise there.
You see, Obama has been swimming in Marxist/Communist juices since childhood. No mention has been made of one Frank Marshall Davis. A black poet and Commnist Party member. He became a family friend of Obama and his grandparents when they were in Hawaii. He was sent from Chicago(I’ve wondered if that’s why O. chose Chicago after college)to “look up” the family. Obama needed a father figure. This man, I’m sure, made quite an impression on him.
Perhaps he’s why Obama throughout his college years admittedly sought out radical friends and read Communist literature. And why he attached himself to Ayers and Dohrn. By the way, they managed to avoid prison on a technicality.
Ayers even stated something like “I’m guilty as ****, but free as a bird.” He’s advocated killing one’s parents. And his lovely wife B. Dohrn lauded the Manson murderers. She thought it “cool” that they’d sat down to eat a meal alongside the bodies and then stuck a fork in the belly of one. Daddy Tim Ayers, with his connections, has made sure his son and wife have been able to be employed. Both are unrepentant and wish they’d done more.
Another note: The Woods Fund, with Ayers and Obama on the board, gave two grants to an organization with terrorist ties. Totalling $75,000.
Khalidi is friends with these guys. Put his wife’s name on the organization. Probably because of his ties to the PLO.
If you love Israel, you don’t want Obama anywhere near the Oval Office.
WMDs? We’ll have to disagree on that. Hillary knows. It’s why she’s for the war. North Korea? You obviously don’t know what a fool Madeleine Albright made of herself. And the lessons we’ve learned from that administration on what not to do. Like trust their word while they continue to build…
Sorry. Talk to anyone in Europe – where Obama would take us – and they’re in a mess economically. My daughter lives in London. She comes home twice a year not only to see us but for the medical care. Last time she was here, she said, “Mom, you don’t want the mess they’ve got there.” She’ll be getting her surgery done here this summer.
And I’d probably still have a brother-in-law. My sister,husband and 4 kids moved to New Zealand 10 yrs. ago. The heart procedure that was uneventfully performed in the US was one that would have to be repeated. But in New Zealand, they didn’t catch it soon enough and then he had to wait the usual few months for surgery. His heart had become so weak, he needed life support following surgery. After several days, they removed life support because another patient needed it.
Think our medical bills are high here? You can thank the likes of John Edwards. And other trial lawyers that lobby the Dems so successfully. My father-in-law told me years ago that other OB/GYNs were getting out because of the exhorbitant malpractice insurance. Law suits (like Edwards’ based on junk science) have destroyed the practice of medicine. We pay for unnecessary tests and Xrays that doctors use just to cover their rears in case some lawyer tries to get rich off them.
Europe is waking up. They’re living in the mess their liberal bent has taken them. Look at who leads Germany, France and now Britain.
I just hope America wakes up. Russian Bear, I don’t have much hope for you.
The Decemberists were paid in OBAMAir packs, expired air from the chest cavity of the junior senator from Illinois. Little known fact: Obama actually wanted the band Rush to perform, but learned they were from Canada. http://www.obamair.com
Believer
It is good for your daughter to have the daddy who is able to pay for her medical care, which, I guess, is not too costly for a young and healthy lady. Yeah, a spoiled girl may judge about health care system in Britain in categories of how luxury it is.
Some people have to judge by affordability.
What to do for a person who is self-employed in small business (can not get medical insurance through employment), is close to his or her sixty, has medical problems, say, diabetes,(the cost of insurance is to high), is paying mortgage, and is not eligible for Medicaid by income of 50 000 for a family of three (one of them a student)? What to do for 40 mln Americans without health insurance? First serious hospitalization will take away their house, everything they have, and will send them to the very bottom, to live on public assistance.
So, you and your daughter must be more appreciative about socialist health care system.
By GDP per capita, capitalistic USA is ranked 11-th.
Socialist
Luxembourg, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands are ahead.
By the quality of life:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4020523.stm
So, is socialism in Europe indeed so scary?
are you nuts? Obama is a mainstream Democrat. he would probably be considered a conservative in Europe!
get your facts straight- the USA is the LEAST statist of all first world Democracies, and that fact is unlikely to change under ANY leadership. the real danger in the US is not from the left, but from the right.
Certain mammals on this thread need to get better reading comprehension skills in English because their interpretation of what I wrote is way off. I do not provide such services, so please contact your nearest entitlement office.
The YouTube link is hilarious. The American anthem sung to the tune of the Soviet anthem over a slide show of patriotic images was most likely meant as an insult to America (and it’s not a coincidence that R.Bear posted it) but the silly dupes unwittingly created an excellent metaphor for historical revisionism that is rampant among the leftist ideologues in the academia, the Democratic Party, etc. It deserves to be on the People’s Cube.
When leftists say they want to “take our country back,” what do they mean? When did it ever belong to them? Here’s the answer. It belonged to them in the alternative revisionist version of history that exists in the minds of the brainwashed, and this video is a humorous epitome of such a vision.
And finally, it is only logical that foreigners who favor capitalism and opportunity immigrate to America and would like to preserve this country’s political and economic system. I’m one of them. But why do people who dislike America, have no respect and don’t care for it, come here and try to change its system to make it more socialistic? Why not stay in whatever ex-Soviet hole you crawled out of? Why not try to improve the mess that is Russia or Ukraine, or Belarus? Did the parents bring you here? But you’re a grown up now, you can go back!
I know why. They come and stay here for materialistic purposes. The wealth and the opportunity created by capitalism and free markets does trickle down, and these people have taken comfortable seats at the bottom of it and keep their mouths open, trying to catch as many drops as they can. And when they get their fill, they have the nerve to denounce materialism and the people whose wealth they had just feasted on. They pretentiously call themselves idealistic dreamers. What is their dream? To undermine the system that feeds them.
Thus the biggest materialists of all are preaching idealism to others without even bothering to let go of the tit they are sucking on. If that is not the most ridiculous hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.
If you went to a Russian school, Russian Bear, you may remember a fable by Krylov about an ignorant pig that came across a large oak tree with plenty of acorns around it. The pig got its fill and then began to dig under the roots of the same oak tree that just fed it. This is what you’re doing when you agitate for socialism.
If anything needs to changed here, it’s your handle.
macroscopic –
“the USA is the LEAST statist of all first world Democracies, and that fact is unlikely to change under ANY leadership.”
Consider this analogy:
“This is the strongest house on the block and that fact is unlikely to change even if the new owner lends it to trashy tenants, leaves the leaky pipes unattended, and lets the termites run wild.”
Really – how can a small termite destroy a large house? I must be crazy to think that!
Obama’s presidency comes with a large army of eager termites who can’t wait to lay their jaws on the country’s foundation. Examples are a plenty, from veterans like Bill Ayers to Wright to the microcephalic idiots in Texas who decorated Obama’s campaign office with posters of Che Guevara.
Russian Bear,
I wrote at great length (for me) in order to address as many of your points as I could. You chose only 3 of those lines for your response. In it you made more than a few false assumptions about my daughter and me.
If we are to continue this dialogue, I would ask you to consider first the 6 lines I wrote about my sister and her family. They embraced the socialist system you favor.
You had advice for my daughter.
What would you have me tell my widowed sister and her four young children?
Believer
I appreciate your efforts.
I did not mean to hurt your parental feelings or say anything bad about your daughter. And I did not. Why she did not like the Health Care in Britain was not specified in your posting, so I was brief on it.
My convalescence to your sister, but to get a heart surgery is not a simple thing here in the USA too.
My business is in the dental field and I see many Americans with rotten teeth, numerous cavities-they can not afford root canal treatment or bridges and crowns, so they live “as is” or they go for having all their teeth removed and replaced with dentures, as a more affordable treatment. And it happens sometimes to the patients in mid 20-ths.
In the former USSR it would be a bad case of malpractice, but here is just an “economy factor” in the treatment.
I do not think heart surgeries are made to everybody who just needs them.
After several days, they removed life support because another patient needed it.
Sounds unprofessional. Sometimes it happens that doctors are unprofessional. But in cases like this, unprofessional, most likely, is the person who tells such a story.
North Korea. Madeline Albright did a decent job to open contacts and a path to cooperation with North Koreans. When George Bush came to the office, he broke all that. He told South Koreans who were at that time involved in talks with the North, something like: “How can you talk to these jerks, they can not be trusted”. He discouraged South Koreans from contacts with the North, and than proclaimed his “Axis of Evil”.
That followed by attack on Iraq. What else North Koreans were supposed to do other than keep working on their nukes? They wanted negotiate directly with the USA but were told “NEVER!”. George Bush, his appointee John Bolton made tough statements, and what was in the end? The USA had to talk. The USA had to yield. Conclusion? Never say never. Especially in the form of tough statements.
As about the WMD, ask Scott McClellan, he has just come up with his book.
Obama may have just short 4 years, or be impeached even sooner, if he goes wrong way. There is some risk that he may not meet the public expectations than the risk that he may mess up. The USA is a citadel of capitalizm. Too little is possible to change something in this country. Republicans and Democrats rivalry is a good thing. It works well. Now it is Dems’ turn.
Russian Bear –
This is amazing. Why are you charging your dental patients so much that they are forced to live with cavities? If you practice what you preach, you should cut down your prices in half, to help the “disadvantaged.” Yes, this will reduce your income, but according to the latest liberal trend, your earnings are subject to popular opinions. If they tell us that the oil companies are price-gouging, why can’t we say that the dentists are price-gouging as well?
Cut down your fees or shut up. You sound like a hypocrite.
If you do cut down your fees and still have money left after taxes, give half of it as a volunteer donation to the government. If you like Obama’s ideas so much, you should also be willing to trust more of your money to the government. Otherwise you’re just a hypocrite.
But you won’t do that. You will still charge market rates for your services and you will still find ways to pay less in taxes to sustain your comfortable lifestyle. And that is fine by me – as long as you don’t promote policies that would raise taxes on other people. That would make you a hypocrite.
Where do you think the government gets its money for “charity?” Or do you think it makes its own money?
In the Soviet times, which you seem to like, medical salaries were a little above those of street sweepers and a little below those of construction workers. Why don’t you show the way to the glorious future of American medicine by personal example, give up your lifestyle, and start living like an erstwhile Soviet doctor?
It’s the only way you can live up to the liberal morality that you advocate. And if you don’t practice what you preach, you’re a hypocrite.
As for your suggestion to take a risk and elect Obama, imagine that I would come to your medical office and ask you to hire a manager who is a risk and may mess up, but you can have him fired if he goes wrong way. You would call me crazy and you would be right. Now, how do you expect me to think of people who advocate for Obama?
FYI, America is not as capitalistic as you think. The closest it came to pure capitalism was in the 19th century. After that it’s been going through gradual socialization and nationalization. With all the government regulations and other impositions, it’s a MIXED economy. It’s true that America is not as socialized as Europe – that’s why Europe has been stagnant while America remains more or less dynamic – but it’s only a matter of degree. The tendencies are there and the Democrats are working hard to keep them up. So your statement that capitalism in this country is unshakable is at least naive.
I have known, Russian Bear, that throughout our conversation you and I would never see eye-to-eye. So, all along, my words have been directed as much to the larger audience as to you.
Let me finally say this:
I hope the citizens of America realize what is on the line in this election. And I hope each one uses his precious right to vote more carefully than ever.
The socialism that the liberals would impose on our society has a history of failure. We should reject it creeping upon us at every opportunity.
Socialized medicine failed my sister and her family. She has now returned to America where she easily found work she could not in NZ. It failed my daughter also. She plans to return home for good.
Neither my sister nor my daughter found the employment opportunities overseas that are available to them here. And though they paid a level of taxation shocking to Americans, both had little choice and even poorer results from their health care providers.
Most of us, I would imagine, want to have as much control over our lives as possible. That’s lost when government takes over and decides what is right and what is best for you. And its control will go well beyond health care if we’re not careful.
Not all of us are alike. Government doesn’t allow for individuality. Some time ago, I made a choice in my life: I’m one of those 40 million uninsured Americans. It was a choice I made when my faith in God was ready to accept it. I don’t suggest it for everyone.
If government had automatically been there to “save” me, I would not have had the opportunity to step out in faith. Sometimes a need can lead to an unexpected blessing.
Many of us have experienced a community coming together to raise money to provide for a child or family in need. That’s when not just the receiver – but the giver – is blessed as well. The heart is alive and working. We are a people naturally given to helping one another.
A government program will never have a heart. And has a history of poor management. How much more effective were the neighbors of the Katrina victims than the local, state and federal programs? Even one young 14yr. old drove a school busload of survivors out of the disaster, showing more ingenuity than the mayor or governor. (Note: Louisiana has thankfully elected the very capable Bobby Jindal to turn the state around from the corrupt, liberal leadership it has had for decades).
We are, and have always been, a nation that shares our great wealth with others. Even when our need is great and we’re deeply in debt ourselves. We give, too, our most valuable possession: the very safety of our heroic citizens willing to die to allow others to know our freedoms.
Russian Bear has given us a list of socialist nations rated higher than the USA for desirability. While we rate 11th, France, Germany and Britain rate 25th, 26th and 29th respectively.
Let those of us who value our individualism, unburdened by the heavy hand of government and allowed to achieve beyond imagination – giving out of our abundance and from the heart to others in need – come together to see that we remain true to the values upon which our nation was founded. It’s what sets us apart and makes us great.
We’ll happily visit those other nations.
But, it’s my experience anyway, we’ll welcome our homecoming.
Thanks for the great article. Obama is a pure evil. As I former Soviet citizen I know.
Considering Russian Bear’s tenuous grasp of the English language, his assertion that he is a dental professional in the United States is suspect.
“Madeline Albright did a decent job to open contacts and a path to cooperation with North Koreans. When George Bush came to the office, he broke all that.”
Baloney. What the Clinton Administration did was surrender to Kim Jong-il and give him exactly what he wanted, with nothing but a promise from him. As last year’s nuclear test showed us, Kim lied. There was NO cooperation, there was capitulation to the will of a totalitarian dictator.
“Obama may have just short 4 years, or be impeached even sooner, if he goes wrong way.”
Presidents are impeached for criminal behavior, not unpopular politics. I do agree that if he is elected (shudder) he will most likely only serve one term. Why? Because it’s patently obvious that he will repeat the same economic and foreign policy mistakes of the Carter Admin. and this country will drive him out. This election is very nearly 1976 all over again, hopefully (for the sake of the American people) it won’t have the same end.
“The USA is a citadel of capitalizm.”
Hardly. China despite clinging to Communism symbolically is far more capitalist than is the U.S.
Oleg Atbashian
Where is the revelation?
It is clear to everyone that black racists, all kind of leftists, if vote, are going to vote for Barak Obama.
It is clear to everyone that the white racist, neo-Nazis, the conservative Christian, if vote, are going to vote for John McCain.
It is clear also that a lot of decent people will vote for each of them.
So, what is the point of your article?
That 75000 people who brought their parents and their infants, some skipped work, some wilted in the heat, a few jammed the streets afterward, hoping for a final motorcade glimpse came to listen to the rock group playing the Soviet Anthem? Are you saying that?
Gibberish!
With such a supposed popularity I would recommend the band to take a nationwide and even international tourney. They gonna be rich!
Or your point is that Stalin was bad? Not a revelation either.
What exactly is there bad about Obama? What is wrong there he saying or he would do to the country if wins? Is that in your article?
You article is full of false interpretations of the insignificant facts and of stupid reasoning, and should be send to the Recycle Bin in the site’s computers. I think it was just the inborn respect to the Freedom of Speech that did not allow the editor to do so.
And you got mad at me for my constructive criticism of your creative, and switched to personal insults.
You should remember what Eleanor Roosevelt once said: Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
You certainly are not a great mind. All your speculations about me… Just read your mumbling about me being she. It is not funny. It is pathetic and laughable.
You are attributing me “understanding problem”, but it seems to be your own problem. Where have you found that I am a dentist? I am running a dental lab. But even if I were the one, and were slaving in root canals for free all my days having a 3 blocks line to my office, it could not change the system which is based on market principles that makes getting some vital services by many people impossible.
Or, where you found that I “agitate for socialism”?
I do think, that every decent country must have health care and education (even the higher one) available to all citizen. This is my opinion. Is this socialism?
What socialism is possible in the country where “US Mail” and public schools system are the only services run by the State? Even prisons are getting nationalized.
How can you write political articles and do not understand the difference between communism and Nazism?
And you say: The American anthem sung to the tune of the Soviet anthem over a slide show of patriotic images was most likely meant as an insult to America
Why not an insult to Communists?
Your statement shows that other than the mind power problem, you have the sense of humor problem as well.
So, Oleg, do not write anymore. It is not yours. Learn more about the country you are in. Study more.
And after at lest 10 years in, you may try.
Redmanfms:
North Koreans tested their nuke last year. It was not under Clinton Administration. It was the 7-th year of G. W. Bush being in the office.
A little bit of what G. Bush got in NK issue and how he handled that you can find here:
http://www.atimes.com/koreas/CC28Dg01.html
The result? In 2003 North Koreans stated that they came out of the agreement and resumed working on their nukes.
They wanted “no attacking them guarantees” from the USA.
They wanted direct talks with the USA. They wanted assistance in energy and food supply.
The Bush Administration did not want to provide any of those.
In the end, North Koreans got all of those.
You may call it NO cooperation, there was capitulation to the will of a totalitarian dictator.
But the dictator is happy.
LOL. Russian Bear, you made my day.
I’m curious if you have read any of my other stories on this site.
This discussion is getting long and I’m getting tired of keeping up with it. If you want to discuss issues, please go to The People’s Cube forum where you will have plenty of opportunities to correct thoughtcrimes with your constructive criticism.
I just have one last question for you: since your opinions betray the lack of a consistent socio-economic philosophy (besides the Marxism-Leninist philosophy that both of us learned in school), what makes you so extremely confident that you are right and I am wrong? That you have a better understanding of this country and its people than I do? That you are more enlightened than I am?
What is the origin of your self-righteousness, resentment, and anger?
Please try to respond to this rationally. The answer may hold the key to establishing world peace.
Well, for the sake of the world peace…
Am I wrong that the Decenbrists’ support means nothing for Obama’s image? Well, let the others judge. Are you right that singing the Soviet Anthem makes the Decembrists and Barak Obama communists? I can agree with you. In zest.
So what happened?
You wrote an article.
I found it was not smart, not profound.
This is the site where the readers may comment on your article. What is inappropriate with my criticism?
If you can prove that your article is a masterpiece of journalism (even the blog one) and an example of good reasoning, go ahead.
If not, learn from my criticism, and try to write better.
I checked the “People’s Cube forum”. The site is a rather shallow ex-soviet-citizens-now-emigres-who-become-a-kind-of-snobbish-from-the-fact-that-they-are-living-in-an-advanced-societies “tusovka” (hang out). People there are trying to have fun and be funny. Well, the pictures and the nick-names of the forum writers are funnier than their postings. Your article is quite appropriate for that site. But the PJM is too serious for you.
I will keep my eye on that forum if something what is worth may appear there.
So, we got the finalists now.
The Old Man from Arisona is a person with integrity, a decent one. It is going to be an interesting turn out if Obama kicks the Old Man’s ass in November. Very intriguing.
yours.
None of the posters on the People’s Cube are ex-Soviets except me. They are mostly Americans, but some are Australians, Canadians, and Europeans. It seems that reality can’t get through your fantasy lenses that are causing you a complete moral and intellectual blackout. It’s getting tiresome and I have more interesting things to do than baby-sit a misguided megalomaniac. Good buy.
It was too early in the morning for me. Make that “good bye.”
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"Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama
If attracting crowds overseas is the criteria for becoming President of the United States, why don’t we just elect Michael Jackson … he would be just as qualified as Obama.
Communist Obama and his Pro-Abortion Socialist Gestapo will CHANGE USA into USSA – United Socialist States of America.
http://www.marianland.com/music/changealbum.html
Hey Oleg, the people your exchanging jabs with on this site are far out of thier depth with you. [not unlike anytime Mark Steyn goes toe to toe with so called "progressives"] I’m not terribly smart and quite out of my depth here as well, but I can at least recognize that America is the best country in the world [which is why every person that says Russia or France or Whereveristan is better, keeps on living here]
I’m Canadian and I love my Country, but the identity of the Canada I was born in sinks more into oblivion every day. America has the strength and conviction to maintain its identity, there is sufficient evidence of this in the fact that America is the only western nation not in the deathgrip of the conceptual wasteland that is multiculteralism. The Micheal Moores that live in the states don’t hold any other nation up to the same standard as their own country and in turn are doing and saying things that will eventually bring the states DOWN to the level of the despotisms and dictatorships they seem to think are so much better. Obama will speed up the wests flight to cloud cookoo land by weakening its strongest nation with ideals and isms that were proved absurd partway through last century.
Pfff.
NeoMcCarthyist Red-Scare Boogiemen do not frighten me much anymore, thankfully after 5 years of weekly psychotherapy sessions and CommieHaters Anonymous Groups.
Coke or Pepsi?
Democrat or Republican?
Nazis or Communists?
Hitler or Stalin?
That is the choice we have in America today for leader of the “free world”.
Fuck all of you.
Communism is better than corrupted & gready democratic ruling
Leave Obama alone! We won the Cold War which was not a real war but a money making game for the Elite! Shalom. jaye
I think that Obama is the most confused of all. He loves him some Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist style commies, but then spouts that old Mussolini “corporatist” tripe about farming out gargantuan “infrastructure” redevelopment projects to some of the most heinous multi-national conglomerates in the world, giving them all the tax breaks that lobbyist money can buy.
And yes – the Decemberists are very moronic, uneducated cretins. Perhaps just as importantly their music totally sucks too.
These Communists are no threat. They look like kids. They need to work so they don’t have free time to waste dressing up like Vlad Lenin. If they were getting their degrees and working, I guarantee they would not have time for this shyt.
Big deal! The American Nazi Party is supporting McCain. Or are the Nazis considered more patriotic and OK, because they are concerned with conservative values?
you people are some of the most stupid, literalist morons in the world.
Oleg is a gay and obviously cannot be trusted! Open your eyes people!
This whole discussion, or indeed almost any political argument, would be very funny if I could see it as merely a game of words. But you are arguing about what we should do in the real world, and that makes it scary.
People on both sides seem to take facts out of context, over-interpret, and get so emotional…believe me, I know. I used to think like that. It’s only from reading the other side that you come to realize your thinking was just as flawed, and that, ultimately, it’s all just empty rhetoric. Or, to use the vernacular, it’s all bullshit.
No one has complete and unbiased information, and every Administration must therefore suffer from ignorance. So must we all suffer from biases we could not help inheriting. The best you can do is try to be open-minded, but for some people, an ideology has become their identity, and they will attack every idea that threatens it. I made that mistake too.
Shouts of rage rarely convince, and they sure don’t foster intelligent debate. Whadda ya say we try using our indoor voices?
Joe
P.S. Since others have posted links, here’s one to a kinda fun little game that says it better than I:
http://www.intuitiongames.com/gray/
I appreciate, lead to I discovered exactly what I used to be taking a look for. You’ve ended my four day long hunt! God Bless you man. Have a great day. Bye