Coleman: Media Will Ignore Climategate Until They Hear ‘I Was Wrong’ (PJM Exclusive)
Regard it as an unimportant story. Not nearly as important as Tiger Woods or the couple that crashed a White House party. It is just another hacker, and undoubtedly the work of one of those oil company shills. Yes, ignore it. It will fade away.
The second answer: Write about Climategate’s general unimportance and give the parties involved a platform to dismiss the charges. Various outlets took minor steps to cover the story in a limited, dismissive way.
But the major networks stonewalled.
You must know this about the leaked files: While the emails were damning, the real “meat” was in the computer code leaked. Skeptical climate scientists have already studied it; they find it to be an outrageous manipulation that takes real temperature data and converts them into a warming fairytale. This data form the baseline for the research used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
This is huge.
Those who counter this argument by saying there are three other databases, and the two that use surface temperatures agree with this data, need to rethink what they are saying. Think about it. The CRU data is scientifically meaningless, and the scientists at the other centers are in constant contact with the scientists at CRU. There is a strong likelihood that the other databases are similarly without scientific merit.
Meanwhile, I am very impressed with the wide-ranging internet coverage of Climategate. It is mostly of excellent quality. Media news editors, producers, columnists, and opinion/editorial page editors all use the internet for ideas and research. This has been a forcing factor to the media, and as a result a few mainstream outlets have picked up on the internet items. The AP has posted some stories.
But still, the television news channels and networks (except for Fox) have ignored the story as well as they can.
While there will be continuing ramifications throughout science and among the researchers and organizations involved, without significant media coverage Climategate will soon fade away. We skeptics will continue to talk about it, but no one will be listening. Things will quiet down to “normal.”
But there is one possibility that could grow Climategate and demand mainstream coverage. That possibility is my hope. I hope the person who leaked the damning files comes out of the shadows and speaks out about the outrage of what is transpiring — after all, that person had to feel strongly enough about it to perform the leak in the first place. And if that person is an important warming scientist, or is accompanied by a prominent warming scientist, that could break Climategate into the headlines.
If Al Gore, Michael Mann, or Jim Hansen were to say it — “I was wrong” — that would be a major mainstream news development. And the global warming frenzy would be dead.
But I am not holding my breath.
John, I like your insights, but have a slight disagreement with one of your conclusions. “Without significant media coverage, Climategate will soon
fade away.”
Climategate won’t fade away because it’s already received significant media coverage. NBC, CBS and ABC no longer constitute significant media
coverage because they are no longer opinion leaders. They’re now part of the background. Most of the opinion leading independents watch Fox.
And are on the internet.
The prime time broadcast channels have become part of the past in the sense that they’re lost their impact. They’ve stood by too many false stories. They’re Dan Rathering their way into oblivion. Or they’re just playing the see, hear, see no evil monkey game. About all they are that’s still significant is a mouthpiece for what will turn out to be the worst in every sense of the word Presidential administration in history.
The fact that the Times and Washington Post are carrying water for a misguided, misguiding chief executive has taken away press credibility.
Take a look at DailyKos. When things don’t go their way, they don’t just distort. They panic. They have Obama’s approval rating at close to 60%.
In terms of integrity and ethics, they’re right alongside the Climategate pukes; scientific frauds.
The final straw for the disingenuous left will be when the college kids and ad agency people start getting a clue. Which I believe is about a year away.
Obama doesn’t plan to get re-elected. He’s planning how to spend his time and money after 2012. And hoping he can avoid being led out of the White House in handcuffs.
The worm has turned. The tide is about to come in. The light of truth is just below the horizon, but we’re starting to see a few rays breaking through.
Truth suppressed is like grass under cement sidewalks of deceit. Eventually it refuses to be denied. Eventually, the Claire Phillips, the Ernie Pyles, the John Kennedy’s, the Harry Truman’s and the Hugh Hewitt’s of the world embody the little blades of grass that grow up to be honest, fair, strong and free.
I don’t care if the alphabet stations ever admit they were wrong because, by then, they’ll probably be the faint part of the past that hardly anybody cares about anymore and many have already forgotten. Ilia iacta est.
“Without significant media coverage Climategate will soon fade away. We skeptics will continue to talk about it, but no one will be listening. Things will quiet down to “normal.”
NO WAY. And the reason is MONEY. Millions of duped believers around the world invested in the “green technology”, “alternative energy” and the stuff like that. Some have invested millions, some have given their last dimes (“Obama is the president now! He’ll fight global warming! Invest in solar panels and you’ll be rich in 10 years!”).
As long as everybody believed AGW was real, the shares were o.k. Now their price is falling. And whether it will rise again, depends directly on whether AGW is a hoax.
The MSM keep silent. So millions of people around the world try to find out FOR THEMSELVES, what the Climategate is all about (internet activity). And they don’t like what they find: THEIR MONEY IS GONE, FOREVER.
Here comes the “time of wrath”. It’s bad enough to be duped. But to be duped losing A LOT OF money? And what about making your con artist a billionare at the same time?
No, this ANGRY MOB won’t go away just because CNN pretends nothing’s happened. The commentaries of the duped liberal investors… one of the most delicious readings on the internet these days.
And now add the effect of the angry taxpayers if Obama will get his “Crap and Trade”. To pay more for nothing… For a hoax…
No, Climategate has a great future, no matter what media coverage it gets.
Concerning Hansen, maybe so. See here:
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/12/is-james-hansen-climategate-leaker.html
Thank you for a well written and measured comment on Climategate. It is sad to say that “scientists” can defame the name of science through greedy obiesence to money. There has been a fundamental flaw in the global warming research. It is not being done according to the scientific method. Replication is being thwarted by the alarmists because it cannot be shown that one favorable study has been replicated. President Obama’s appointees will all continue with the party line so as to keep their jobs. Objectivity, the very essence of science, is nowhere in sight. It takes an honest man to admit he was wrong. In addition to not finding but a few in the scientific community or the media, don’t expect to find any in the Obama Administration. Now you know.
Ok, but the founding is stopable? That’s a good start: we will not found your research until you say the magi words (“we were wrong”)..
I mean funding.
I am afraid that the mainstream media will, as Coleman points out, do its level best to avoid acting responsibly in the matter of Climategate. Because — when it comes to leaks — the MSM definitely DOES have a double standard.
See: Leaky Logic http://bereapundit.com/2009/12/04/leaky-logic/
If the MSM’s favorite Republican, John McCain, would call a press conference and say something (anything) about Climategate that would crack the facade and begin the process of the MSM admitting the truth to America. I’m not holding my breath either.
Just to give you an idea of how low standards have fallen as long as one’s conclusions fit the prevailing orthodoxy: a paper claiming to find correlation between historical climate data and war casualties in sub-Saharan Africa, then predicting these will go up drastically due to global warming, got published in PNAS. The paper is basically, all fudge and no cake.
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-elephant-and-global-warming/
There is little doubt that the scientific community which participated in this fraud are nothing more than scientific whores, some even downright (white collar)criminals.
The media is so used to covering up inconvenient truths (wonder where Gore got his film title from, as he laughed at all of us behind his hefty back)that to expect them to suddenly grow a moral conscience is to suddenly believe in the tooth fairy.
The one I would most like to pay the piper regarding this incredibly mendacious putsch is none other than Al Gore. With his smirking, holier than thou attitude he has managed to climb to rock star status on the backs of a mostly clueless public.
Al Gore, Bubba’s VP, surely learned the tricks of deceit at his own papa’s knees, a craven, corrupt politician of the lowest order!
But it was not a case of them being “wrong”. It was a case of them lying and using science, the media and the political system to further political ends. And what political ends? Totalitarian Collectivist/socialist/Marist ends, that what ends. They want to destroy American prosperity, the American middle class and literally throw us back a century or more in energy usage.
(of course they will have all the prosperity, energey and wealth they require. They are in the new Nomenklatura)
What they really need to do is stand up and say that they were “in the worng”, not “misled”. they need to admit their “sins”.
Of course, this will never happen.
Yep.
I don’t know what you people are talking about. Despite climategate, Global Warming is a scientific fact! I know, I have seen many movies proving it.
It seems to me wiser for the person who exposed this fraud to remain anonymous. As the dinosaur media has no interest facts or truth, their only response would be personal attacks. With no one to attack they can continue their descent into ignore-ance. “Their topmasts are on fire, may they burn to the waterline!”
Thank you Mr. Coleman for an excellent article.
John Coleman is right of course. These globocommie leftists will never admit they were wrong. The allure of controlling the world’s population and monetary supply is just too strong for these psychos. Unless we actively beat them they will continue apace. Our window of opportunity is critically small.
IOW, if you’ve never seen a John Coleman weather forecast you truly are missing out on one of the great joys of life. I was fortunate enough to enjoy him on “K-UUUUUUUUUU-SI” in San Diego for 10 years. “And the breeeeeeeeeeeeze is out of the west at 5-10 miles per hour.” A true gem of a man.
More evidence of climate groupthink:
Some guys wrote up a paper showing a correlation between historical climate data and war casualties in Africa, and claiming this proved that many more war deaths in Africa would follow from Global Warming. And… this got published in PNAS. Yup, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Details here:
http://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-elephant-and-global-warming/
Coming next in PNAS: a paper proving that storks bring babies in Holland!
Great article!
A VERY fine Canadian blog posting on this scam is Kate McMillan’s at Small Dead Animals (winner of the Best Canadian Blog in the 2008 Weblog Awards).
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/
The CRU revelations should cause some basic revisions of the play book, but the fact that the very idea of truth has been seriously compromised in the PC climate of most of our Western societies, I’m afraid I’m in agreement with Mr. Coleman: things might not change.
Passing any AGW Climate Treaty without first re-examining ALL of the underlying “science”…
…is an Act of War against Western civilization.
Same as if a foreign army invaded your hometown and stole away the local power station. Or major local employer.
We have to be prepared to fight this AT ALL COSTS.
John,
Thanks for your clarity.
What with elected politicians now sending up trial ballons and introducing legislation to provide “public funding” for the news business, is it any wonder we get crickets from the failing media models?
None would want to poison their chances for gettin some, by truthfully reporting the behavior of the majority party.
Too bad “lying to the public” aint considered a sin, and a hangin offense. Course that would create a scarcity of rope. And, the tar’in an featheren of so many would surely cause AGW.
Unfortunately the monumental event you allude to, when it comes may in fact be terminal for many. Lefty and kulak alike.
From Atlas Shrugs:
“Why had the world accepted it?….How had the victims come to sanction a code that pronounced them guilty of existing?”
This could apply to the AGW hysteria: convince the people that CO2 is pollution and destroying the planet, that every breath they take and every action they perform in an industrialized society is killing Earth, then they will freely accept enslavement in a medieval economy with the government in control of how they live and all the choices they make.
This is a degree of social control despots from years past could only dream of. Get the people to voluntarily surrender their freedoms in the name of “saving Earth”. With the money and power at stake for a select few, don’t expect AGW hysteria to go away anytime soon, even if Algore himself is overheard on a hidden mic saying “I can’t believe these morons are so gullible”.
The Global Warming Cult will transform back into the Global Cooling Cult with the same agenda of Communism & the death of liberty; they are going to try to find a way to spread their Communism regardless. However, the cult will have no credibility as the ever-shrinking MSM loses more audience thanks to their blatant Left Wing bias.
The scientists have credibility either which is a shame since science should have no political agendas. But the scientists brought this upon themselves & they need to regain their credibility. The corrupt scientists need to be fired ASAP & never return to true science. Yet even these corrupt science will bloom in academia & insist they are right about “climate change” to find new converts to the cult.
It is not devastating for a President to say ” I was wrong”.
But that is not the case here. obammy has from day of of community organizing, LIED.
The msm are not mislead, they are willing accomplices.
So it does not matter what they say as they are all …. LIARS.
Don’t wait for them to ever admit to that and it does not matter if they ever do.
We know what they are already. We have known all along gorebal warming was a lie because of the lying lips it came from. And when it became the mantra of the un to destroy the USA with, well, that was just too easy.
YES, and the uninformed rubes and deniers out here in skeptical central who thought that the formula MAN LIVE=EARTH WARM=ICE MELT=EVERYONE DROWN was a bit too simple to be believable can now smile . They were RIGHT and the high powered scientists creating the myth and lies were all frauds and deceivers. Which we suspected too.
Well, playing Devil’s advocate, if hackers were so succesful in revealing the truth about GW why not also hack the e-mail of other Liberal entities and unmask their lies? The ‘hackers’ just got more money from the ‘other’ side to stop cap and trade..very simple
There is so much money tied to all this Global Warmingate that nobody is going to open up their mouth….these liberals are nuts…God knows what they could do to an out of the closet GW advocate !
By the way, nice and cool in Georgia!
I was shocked enough, three months ago, when AccWeather’s Joe Bastardi presented his data showing the globe is actually cooling!
“I was wrong” isn’t going to be good enough.
Being ‘wrong’ implies good faith.
Being wrong isn’t about manipulating data, or conspiring to deny critics avenues of publication, or hiding data, or deleting data.
In fact, when your scientific hypothesis is good, when your data is good, you want your critics to look at it, so you can prove it to them.
Even in the “Day After Tomorrow”, the scientist (Dennis Quade) begs the VP Chenney look alike, to look at his data.
He BEGS him to look at his data.
But at HadleyCRU and at NASA GISS, they demand that no one but them be allowed access to the data.
In any con game, keeping the marks in the dark is the first rule.
As usual, GW doubters just read the news that they wanted to hear discarding all other evidence.
“I love the smell of napalm in the morning . . . ”
Gentlemen, start your engines!
Vrooooom!
Booooom!
What..no trolls? I Can’t live without abusing trolls! (Sigh) (Sob!) Whatever will I do?
AL GORE NEVER WON AN OSCAR!!
IT’S A MYTH THAT THE LIBERAL MEDIA HAS BEEN SPREADING FOR YEARS.
THE DIRECTOR AND PRODUCER OF THE FILM HE WAS IN WON THE AWARDS.
IF HE HAS ONE IT WAS A GIFT AND NOT AWARDED TO HIM BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A CATEGORY TO GIVE ACTORS IN A DOCUMENTARY THIS HONOR.
LAST TIME I CHECKED HE WASN’T IN THE CREDITS AS BEING ONE OF THE PRODUCERS OR THE DIRECTOR.
IF HE DOES HAVE ONE, THE ACADEMY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FOR FRAUD.
LOOK UNDER AWARDS FOR AL GORE ON WIKIPEDIA IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
Baal, you spoke to soon.
So for the AGW “believers”, try this scenario:
A young minority man from a broken home and a tough part of town is charged with first degree murder. He looks like a real thug; tatoos all over, gangbanger wardrobe and bruttish attitude and language.
All of his friends fit the same bill. In fact, most of them have previous criminal convictions. They are in the court room making threatening gestures and generally behaving badly.
There is no question that none of these folks are up to any good, and that they represent a drain if not a threat to our society.
The prosecutor has evidence that he says is convincing that the young man charged absolutely committed murder. In fact, everyone in the DA’s office agreed that he did.
But he refuses the show the evidence to the jury, but the DA is a credible and well-regarded man. So he should be trusted.
Vivo/trolls, do you convict based on that? If not, you must be a “denier”. And we’re just talking about the life of one person; no court in the US would convict on that basis.
So we should spend trillions of dollars to solve a suggested problem given the same set of facts? Is the wealth destruction contemplated worth more than the life of that young man?
In my one and only response to the troll known as vivo I ask him to provide real scientific data that the AGW is real. I don’t meant news stories from AP, Reuters or anything based upon CRU data.
Over to you vivo.
Man made global warming makes statism and global government logical. They wont give that up anytime soon.
..the cooling is masking the warming.
At #18 here, I referred to a very fine article on Climategate, by the great Kate McMillan at Small Dead Animals. She’s got all kinds of great stuff there, but the particular article I referenced is December 3rd’s “The Bottle Genie”. It’s now received 329 comments—a record, I think.
OMG, this is how out of touch one gets when everyday life and work envelope the day. I haven’t seen John in probably 25 years, (either at his house or a mutal friend’s in Evanston)…had NO idea of his connection to the weather channel, had NO idea where he had gone.
He is one of the funniest guys you will ever meet. Amazing sense of humor.
And dead on the money on this article.
Wow, life speeds by. It was great to read something by John, he’s a common sense, no BS type…so, for our friends at PJM, this was a treat. For me, it was a quick trip down memory lane.
Nice to see he did something with his life! LOL!
Realclimate is still spinning, and today attacked Lindzen’s WSJ op-ed. The theme was that “denialists” claim the ’science is settled’ as part of their attack. The underlying tone of it is that the claim is a way to make it appear relevant in the typical denier’s pointy head by framing everything as a conspiracy. Apparently deniers aren’t overly bright and have to have a bogeyman.
What I wrote (that won’t get posted) —
“Nice strawman you have here.
‘Settled science’ is a PR matter and the primary cheerleader is Al “the debate is over” Gore.
Nobody assumes SCIENTISTS say this; even the very notion is anti-science.
Lindzen is correct to point out that science is unsettled. He’s making the case against Gore and public perception and politics. And he’s correct to phrase it as he does given that climate change is felt to be a club politicians will wield to enforce possibly unecessary (and unwanted) change. If not for the political overtones of all of this, climate would merely be an academic endeavour and your blog traffic would be somewhere near zero. Lindzen is addressing the politics, and you misinterpreted.”
Sheesh. Is Gavin off his meds?
Irony Alert — realclimate invents and constructs a strawman to prove that deniers construct strawmen. Film at 11.
New Class Traitor #9 — …a paper claiming to find correlation between historical climate data and war casualties in sub-Saharan Africa, then predicting these will go up drastically due to global warming, got published in PNAS.
This is par for the course. Add it to the list —
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
Well,as I write this,it is snowing here in Houston,of all places…hasn’t snowed here in 5 yrs and it’s never snowed this early before….something tells me that before long there are going to be some great deals available down at Honest Al’s Used Carbon Credit Lot.
The mainstream media is suffering a decline in users because of new technologies (internet and cable) which has spawned a New Media. Instead of working to become more relevant, they are doing the opposite. Instead of covering important news stories like Climategate, they are ignoring it. The result is people who are serious about real news are going to the New Media to get the real story. The more real news people get from the New Media, the more they go to it. The more this happens, the less relevant the mainstream media is. By ignoring important news stories, the mainstream media is accelerating its decline. To me, that is not such a bad thing.
Viva the New Media!
It’s snowing like crazy in Houston (that would be Texas) as I type.
AlGore says . . . “ARRRRGGGGGG!”
The proof of the MSM’s total non-coverage of this issue came yesterday December 3, 2009.
My loving wife watches Katie Couric religiously, reads the local liberal newspaper and occasionally listens to NPR. Note: She has a Masters in Education.
I waited a few weeks as I watched the story unfold and then yesterday I asked her what she thought about the Climategate story. She had no idea what I was talking about. None WHATSOEVER.
I then took her to the internet and yes, Fox News, and then we talked about it. She was in total awe that she had not heard a thing about it and was furious that her beloved left had not said a word.
I am hoping that this will be the year that I finally convert her to my conservative view of the world.
I rest my case.
Larsky
Larsky@41: I have to laugh because it’s quite similar at my house. My wife can’t see what the fuss is all about and just says, “Oh well, if it makes more people conscious of the need to clean up after themselves, it’s a good thing!” Oh good grief! I continue to understand why men mostly run the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xKO3BtbBj8&feature=player_embedded
some progress
As observed on another PJM article, I liken vivo and like minded folks to Ray Bradbury’s Chief ‘Fireman’ in the book and movie, ‘Fahrenheit 451′.
‘People will be happy when we MAKE (not ‘enable’ PURSUIT) everyone equal’.
In short: Destroy the world economy, science as a whole and an individual’s exceptionalism, ethics by giving power to the ‘have-nots’. Reparations on a global scale.
OK, Larsky and Thomas_L – I have to take exception with your comments. I have been following the “climategate” issue since before the hacking/whistleblowing broke it wide open. My husband and his buddies, I’m sure, disregarded my ranting as part of my skeptical personality. What a treat it has been to enlighten and inform them over the past few weeks. I have not talked to one of them who had the vaguest notion of what Mann/Jones/CRU/IPCC/etc. might have to do with thier lives. You two each have one mission to inform; I have had at least a dozen. Do not make the mistake of assuming all women are as clueless as those in your immediate circle. (LOL)
Sorry to rain on your parade, boys, but it looks like all of the shyster scientists involved in this climategate boondoggle are are men. So don’t congratulate yourselves too much about male wonderfullness.
37. G. L. Alston,
WOW, thanks for the link. I first thought it was a joke, untill I started to click on the items. Wow…
sorry to be off track here, but i linked to this article from…RCP? and read most of it before even noticing that my ALL TIME FAVORITE weatherman, John Coleman, wrote it.
John was on ABC Chicago for years and years.. never been a better guy giving us his best guess of tomorrow’s weather. And what a break that he goes from calling Chicago’s weather to San Diego’s! LOL!!
great to see John Coleman is doing well, and is still sharp as a tack.
Much of the MSM and the Left is still in denial, but the worm has turned. It started about a year ago; you could see it when the Senate shelved Cap & Trade and fewer and fewer people cited AGW as a priority issue for them. Climategate puts the final nail in the coffin of any significant legislation in the US. THe sad part for me is that now I must lump scientists in with the MSM and politicians as “just another group” that is politicized and corrupt. From now on, before accepting anything from any science I’m afraid I’ll have to ask (1) who is funding his research, (2) what are his political persuasions, and (3) what does he stand to personally gain from this?
It is encouraging to learn that the prostitutes (no, not the “scientists”) are fully supportive of the Copenhagen Climate Disaster Conference. They are in good company.
Copenhagen’s city council in conjunction with Lord Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard sent postcards out to 160 Copenhagen hotels urging COP15 guests and delegates to ‘Be sustainable – don’t buy sex’.
“Dear hotel owner, we would like to urge you not to arrange contacts between hotel guests and prostitutes,” the approach to hotels says.
Now, Copenhagen prostitutes are up in arms, saying that the council has no business meddling in their affairs. They have now offered free sex to anyone who can produce one of the offending postcards and their COP15 identity card, according to the Web site avisen.dk.
Perhaps, with luck, this may breathe new life into the conference, and may be its triumphant climax.
Think of this for one minute; if any major polling service (Nielsen, Harris, Zogby, etc) had been shown to have manipulated data the way CRU did, how fast do you think they would be out of business? The truth (or rather lack thereof) has been laid bare, and despite the hopelessly pathetic excuses offered by Paul Krugman and others that laymen don’t understand the language of how intellectuals debate things, this isn’t going away. Copenagen will produce even less because of this.
Thank you, John Coleman. The word is getting out!
I teach at Western Illinois University, and our student newspaper “The Western Courier” had something today I’ve never seen in its pages: It published an editorial openly critical of global warming! It’s entitled “Global Warming Theory Doesn’t Hold Water.” The editorialist describes herself as a “die-hard environmentalist,” but she says the Climategate scandal has made her realize she has been deceived all of these years. She briefly describes the scandal, and then blames the “researchers for blinding the globe with unneeded paranoia.” She now calls it “global warming, global shmarming.” She adds, “I won’t ditch my tree-hugging views yet, but the bottom line is that there appears to be no need for current panic. We’re actually doing better than we’ve been led to believe.”
If a liberal campus newspaper like ours is allowing editorials that openly question the whole theory of AGW, the edifice is starting to crumble. At least, I hope that’s the case. And look at how Climategate has made this “tree-hugging” student to change her views. Therefore…
Don’t give up, folks! Write letters to local newspapers. Blog. Post comments on web site articles related to global warming. Keep this story alive. With enough attention, the networks will have no choice but to cover it… although, with their arrogance and bias, that’s not a guarantee. Even if they don’t cover it, they don’t control the agenda like they used to. Their lack of coverage is only damaging their already sinking credibility. I just read a biased AP article about a “new study” that says global warming is just “pausing.” A year ago, an article like that would have received mostly supportive comments from readers. Today, the vast majority of comments ridicule the study and the AP’s reporting. The tide is turning. We are on the offensive. The warmists are on the defensive.
The story is getting out there. What do you think made Al Gore back out of Copenhagen? Be optimistic, and tell everyone you know about Climategate.
Note that your Wikipedia link for Revelle produces an article with no hint of his subsequent recantation. It would be a good thing for all if you would edit that to fix it (and then get into the furr ball when the warmist keeper of Wiki immediately reverts your edit).
Global warming ideology is only a tool to stop the worldwide capitalistic take-off (that the communists know will kill their totalitarian dreams forever).
Therefore,
they will never say
“I was wrong”.
Forget it.
They will carry on their attack against economic development until they will win or until they will be defeated.
Sadly, I fear that no matter how profound the evidence against AGW…the stakes are too high for those in power to ever back down. The insidiousness of the situation is this: everything we do under the guise of “saving the planet” is a political power play to manipulate and control the masses while reaching in their pocket books and bleeding them dry of every last red cent.
“except for Fox”
Do you mean that “illegitimate” news network?
I bet Climategate will go away like Rathergate did. On the other hand, the MSM stonewalled ACORNgate to death. On the third hand, Van Jones “suddenly” withdrew. On the fourth hand, the child safety czar who condoned child rape is still safe guarding children…
It’s funny how in the past week we all changed our mind about Tiger Woods, because the facts changed. Yet when the facts clearly changed about global warming..er excuse me, climate change, some people have a hard time changing their mind.
They lied to us!! You don’t have to feel guilty about changing your mind. They lied so that they could charge you a tax on everything you do! Please research how the computer code was set up to “prove” warming. http://www.wattsupwiththat.com is a good place to start.
The good news is that the world is not going to end. And now maybe we can start working on some real environmental problems.
I think all these scientists were selling laymen short when they said that they couldn’t understand the scientific jargon behind their e-mails and data. The prostitites of Copenhagen certainly seem to know what the meaning of “trick” is.
Wolf Blitzer is teasing the story as I write. This aside, I believe this is a tremendously consequential event. Science will correct science. I agree with the poster who suggested that McCain (or someone–anyone!!) hold a news conference to maybe get this into the MSM, which still reaches the most viewers, but maybe the MSM is not all that essential anymore.
The AGW theory couldn´t be 100% proven, due to quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle, and quantum fluctuations, as well as, if true, it´s not, solved by socialism, i.e. Cap and Trade, with a total world price tag of $145 trillion.
Say No To Climategate!!!
Relativity – a theory
Big Bang – a theory
Quantum mechanics – a theory
Man-made global warming – a scientific fact (whatever)
I can’t take credit for this powerful analogoy but it sums up the fraud quite well.
The frenzy surrounding global warming calls to mind the craziness of the dutch tulip bulb market. Here again, too many parties have speculated in specious futures to be able to cut their losses and withdraw with dignity and some remains of their investments. And so long as tax-funded grants drive the research, there will be no shortage of sycophantic anthropogenic global warming proponents bellying up to the slops bin; it’s become a self-perpetuating cycle. Saying “we were wrong” is a polite but wrong term; I believe “we lied to you” is more appropriate.
Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of IPCC (who like most of the leaders of the climate change brigade leaves a Godzilla-sized carbon footprint himself, what with jetting to cricket matches in India and conferences in NYC) said “The reality is that our present lifestyle is unsustainable.”
What he actually meant:
“MY present lifestyle will be unsustainable if you proles out there refuse to swallow the horse manure we’re peddling. Good Gaia, I might even have to start sitting in coach!”
four hours later and vivo hasn’t been heard from. I guess he has been reduced to drive.
It’s a religion. A unique religion. Except for Islam, it’s the only religion that the MSM will not question. Concering Islam, mere cowardice. Concerning the Church of the Global Warming……follow the money.
Dr Coleman-I for one as a private weather forecaster would like to thank you for your numerous contributions to the betterment of meteorology. I also have heard you are considering a lawsuit against Al Gore. Dr Coleman, considering your prominent place in the business of meteorology, is it not possible you can get other prominent public figures like perhaps a Max Mayfield or a Dr William Gray or a Dr Josh Wurman to speak out against this fraud also? The more voices of sanity such as yourself and Lord Munkton speak out against the Al Gores and the Maurice Strongs of the world the better. Even the old media will not be able to withstand the heat if enough prominent scientists are willing to take a stand and do whats right. Other than that, they would be no different than someone who is an enabler. Please continue to be a voice of sanity and get others to join. Dont forget Dr Coleman, throughout the 1930s Sir Winston Churchill kept warning the world about Adolph Hitler with little sucess. He was eventually proven correct. Same with Churchill in 1946 when he first uttered the phrase “iron curtain” to describe the communist Eastern Europe. He was later proven correct about that, even moreso after his death. The truth always wins in the end, merely because it is the truth.
John, thanks for a well written and ACCURATE commentary. I have read articles of yours in the past, and you have always presented thoughtful, common-sense arguments.
My problem with the current global warming fear is that it seems that the environment is assumed to be a static model. The climate, the earth, and the universe for that matter, have never STOPPED changing. Continents move, species develop or go extinct, and the climate changes. How do we explain previous ice ages or warm periods when humans were a non-factor, or non-existent? Wow do we explain seashells on the top of mountains, or the periodic changes in the earth’s magnetic field? How do we stop THOSE changes?
Nature has a remarkable way of finding balance, and I find it amusing that we as a species are arrogant enough to truly believe that we can change the process.
The MSM looks more and more like the “Brezhnev era apparatchik” referred to by Daniel Hannan in the 3 and a half minute rebuttal he gave to british Prime Minister Brown at the European Parliament earlier this year, which was uploaded to YouTube, and then went viral.
For ole times’ sake, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
—It’s snowing like crazy in Houston (that would be Texas) as I type.
AlGore says . . . “ARRRRGGGGGG!”—
The Al Gore Effect: When he and other AGW con artists (who like to fly around the world all the time) bring up AGW, cold weather strikes…
The mainstream media behaved exactly the same way back in 2007 when they stonewalled on reporting the success of “The Surge” and on the subsequent turnaround of our fortunes in Iraq. As you say, doing so would have required them to admit that their constant littany of defeat had been wrong and that George W. Bush had actually been right to increase rather than decrease our troop presence there. Their liberal bias would simply not allow them to do that, and so they stonewalled, quietly hoping that the situation over there would once again deteriorate so that they could start covering it again. (As an aside, how despicable a human being do you have to be to actually hope that your country loses a war against animals like Al-Qaeda and the Baathists just so your political viewpoint can be proven right?)
But thanks to the blogosphere, the story of our success in Iraq couldn’t be kept under wraps and eventually, four months later, the mainstream media reluctantly started covering it too. I think the same thing will happen with Climategate. In fact, we’ve already seen CBS News posting some independent analyses of the CRU’s fraudulent source code performed by professional computer programmers.
This story isn’t going away. The millions upon millions of angry citizens who always felt man-made global warming was bull**it science and that it constituted nothing more than the cover for a huge money and power grab by the political left will see to that, I promise you. Now, at long last, we have the proof we need.
This report by the Science and Public Policy institute explains clearly why none of the 4 data sets on world temperatures have any credibility. Billions spent and not one working model, forget consensus.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/commentaries/worst_scandal.pdf
To Danram: let’s clear up a recurring misconception I see from time to time here and on the other right wing blog sites: George Friggin W. Bush was never right about anything. And the appalling degree of his non-rightness will be trickling out for quite some time to come. And unlike this “Climategate” BS, which is nothing more than yet another attack by deeply confused and easily angered ne’re-do-wells, the utter lack of investigative reporting to this day of what really happened in Iraq is the real black stain on your so called MSM.
The hierarchy of the old Soviet Union referred to those spoon-fed dependent
weaklings who stood by until the death squads came for them as “useful idiots” ….leftist rulers know their history, unlike the undereducated
brainwashed people they tand on the backs of in order to achieve their
selfish greedy goals..while the people in America are treated to another
media circus with Tiger Woods..the propaganda machine will crank out the
entertainment in the arena..dull their minds with the same repetive lies
and hope that no one awakens from this chosen enslavement…and the poor?
Why it is the job of the leftist deceivers to create the poor in order to
justify their end…the poor are sleeping on the streets in New Orleans tonight and there is a wintry mix outdoors..our leftist Senator Mary Landrieu only recently sold her vote on the healthcare bill for a promised
$300.000,000 and openly stated this before the Senate…they are not only criminals disguised as lawmakers, they are now so enboldened with their years of uninterrupted power that they shout it forall to hear. Al Gore
has gorged himself on the riches he has grabbed while appearing the savior
of the planet…these people have no shame and will continue to live their
lives of lies..praised and funded by their like-minded frauds..all the while dining on caviar looking down on those they hold in disdain..the strong who hate, hate those that they can hurt..actually despise them.
In the UK all of the main parties are global warming believers. I don’t blame anybody for being deceived by those thought to be expert. But even with all this revealed our PM Gordon ‘I saved the world’ Brown has called sceptics flat-earthers. Like others he is now voluntarily lashing himself to a sinking ship.
But I don’t agree this will go away. It will flare again when the whitewash reports from EA University and the UN are published. I have rather more hope for what happens in the US legal system.
But overall I think a lot of people have accepted man made global warming because so many of us know it has become warmer in our lifetimes. The fact that this proves nothing about the cause of warming is not considered by many people. But if the theory of those who say the current no sunspot cycle means cooling are right and we do get bitterly cold weather over the next few years then ‘global warming’ will become a complete joke.
Well John I have to say I’m sorry I was wrong.
For years my wife and I have watched you on the news with the weather forecast. I always thought you were some sort of anachronistic and avunchular horse’s patoot with your (KUUUUUUUUUUUUUSI weather and “I feel good” dancing around the map) I thought you a Circus Vargas cast off more suited to burlesque, white faces and clown noses then serious thought. In fact I was waiting for the night you’d show up as COZO the weather clown complete with a Sea World Sea Lion sidekick spinning a globe on his nose while you spewed out the San Diego weather call “Late night and early morning low clouds and fog clearing to mid morning sunshine and clear skies the remainder of the day.” And here you are a serious thinker, I’m sorry I was wrong. Thank you for helping expose this fraud. The editorial in the UT today also shows the lame stream media is finally picking up the ball on this. Thanks again John. You’re top drawer in my book now. Right up there.
I’m no linked into your blog.
OK, I believe in global warming. It doesn’t mean I’m right. You are a “denier”. doesn’t mean you are right. I believe because I trust “the experts”. I want my beliefs to be true and I would hope that you would too. So, the obvious answer is to have a fair congressional investigation into this. If the Inhofes and Kerrys can’t have a fair hearing, then it needs to be done by someone else. We need to assess what is most likely true, not what we want or believe to be true. We are all in this together.
It’s a little like the CBS News/Dan Rather scandal when they used obviously forged documents to claim that George W. Bush evaded service in Vietnam through his National Guard service. The bloggers on the net quickly exposed the fraudulent documents underlying the charge and thereby thwarted CBS’s attempt to improperly sway the ’04 election.
It will again be up to these same bloggers to save us from yet another major attempt by the left and by the media to control and to manipulate our lives.
NEW DELHI, Dec 3 (Reuters) – India will not accept a legally binding emission cut nor a peak year of carbon emissions at the global climate talks in Copenhagen, Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh said on Thursday.
“There is no question of India accepting a legally binding emission reduction cut,” he told parliament, laying out India’s negotiating position ahead of the December talks.
Well, no surprise there. There is no way China will go for it either.
Copenhagen is going straight down the tubes before it even starts, thank God.
John – great article and insights but I also agree with rachel peepers and the many others.
This is not going away.
There’s just too many of us who are so far beyond just sick and tired of the media manipulation. (It’s much more than bias).
Please post or amend your article in a day or two. I would love to know what you think after careful review.
THANKS!
There goes BC, who is never, ever right about anything, frothing at the mouth again about Bush. .
Bush certainly made his mistakes, but I’ve never regretted voting for him twice. The reasons can be summed up in 6 words: “President Al Gore. President John Kerry.”
Neither the lying, thieving, hypocritical psuedo-scientist nor the “Christmas in Cambodia” fraud will ever sit in the Oval Office, thanks to Dubya. Thank God for that.
Carla is right. Follow the money.
Those who started and now participate in the Cap and Trade fiasco may mostly be male but they are not men of truth. They are liars who want to pick your pocket for their personal benefit and political power over you.
They have no credibility. The problem is will the naive liberals and mental weaklings ever recognize the crime for what it is?
76. lebec:
“So, the obvious answer is to have a fair congressional investigation into this.”
Now there’s a laugh! What causes you to believe those self serving hacks could pull off anything fair. This body is what spawned algore.
76. lebec:
“So, the obvious answer is to have a fair congressional investigation into this.”
Where have you been, what casues you to believe these self serving hacks could concieve of anything fair much less execute it? Mind you this body spawned algore.
I think Van Jones was the tipping point. That story was not merely broken by the new media, it was concluded by the new media. It simply did not matter that the MSM refused to cover that scandal; Van Jones was forced to resign regardless.
Climategate is far more important than Van Jones, and I think it will be an interesting test of the new media’s strength. If new media derails cap-and-trade and Copenhagen (as I expect it will), then this will prove that the MSM oligopoly is broken and that newspapers are obsolete.
Look folks, climate change is supported by multiple, robust lines of evidence, including several that are completely independent of the climate reconstructions debated in the emails. Nothing in the emails indicates a worldwide conspiracy where climate scientists are beholden to their left-wing overlords.
Ocean acidification, sea-level rise, ice-volume loss in the Antarctica/Greenland ice sheets, shrinking area of summer sea ice in the Arctic, a prolonged fire season in the western U.S., changes in the timing of bird migrations and mating, a pole-ward shift of fish stocks in North Atlantic, and CH4 and CO2 atmospheric concentrations at their highest levels in the past 800,000 and 1.2 million years, respectively…these observations did not suddenly change the day after the emails were hacked. The basis for climate change are these and other measurable observations, not solely the climate models or the individuals who develop them.
To paraphrase Senator Moynihan: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Say what you want about the scientists, the observations stand alone and are unequivocal.
The liars, cheats, “scientist” frauds, marxists, left-wing loonies, should be quartered in the town square — Gore and his Fat Man Fraud “Bowling for Climate-Gate” Fascist Pig Movie Producer should be dressed in surf shorts and made to stand like thermometers and tell us how sweltering warm the Acrtic is.
John, this is a very good article, but I, like others, disagree with the last part. The networks (nbc, cbs, and abc) and their liberal reporters are no longer the force to be reckoned with. While they still have power, Fox News continues to grow it’s audience each and every rating cycle. And the internet is growing even faster than Fox. I haven’t watched the network news is 7 years, and don’t have any need for their slant of the news. I do try to get both sides from the internet, so that I stay fully informed of what the liberals are saying. I do believe you are right about the Hacker, but he should wait another 7 to 10 days before he reveals himself. I feel sure he would have no problem in finding supporters to set up a defense fund for him, in case the liberals are stupid enough to bring charges. And who could possibly find this person guilty of any crime, considering the good he has done for taxpayers world wide. Talk about starting a revolution! PS: I love to call’em liberal reporters, because they want to be call journalists. Oh, if only they could learn to tell the Truth.
Many companies are removing any and all reference to “climate change” from their web sites because they’re not fools–they realize this is the tipping point, too.
Let’s keep the pressure up; spread it around, send it to your friends, let people know we can do a lot at the grass-roots level.
only octogenarians and above bother with CBS, NBC and ABC.
The British press is all over the lying climate pseudo-scientists – better late than never.
By the way, this is analogous to the evolution theory, something believed largely by the elites, and not by the common people at least in the USA and the UK.
# 72 BC writes; ‘the utter lack of investigative reporting to this day of what really happened in Iraq is the real black stain on your so called MSM.’
You mean as compared to the ruthless and thorough Palin like investigating they did to the Obamanation and his associates, mentors, history and HIDDEN documents ???
Moonbats of the world unite you have nothing to lose except your GULLIBILITY and IGNORANCE and pathetic BIAS.
# 28 VIVO wow what a stunning intellectual response we are all standing back in awe and we now know that AGW is real . LOL
Thanks for a great article John. I wish you were still at the weather channel. Now it is rare to see a weather report in the evening because they have some stupid show on in place of real weather news. By the way, I remember when you did the weather on “Good Morning America”. Remember “Ferdinand the Frog” ?
biggest scam ever, bigger than madoff…..a lie propagated to gain more control and tax more people. Man is insignifant as an ant as far as affecting the climate. Is the conclusion that if there was no humans on the earth there would not be any climate change? Does that make any sense whatsover to any functioning brain? Should the climate be the same every day? What BS! The earth is constantly changing…we used to be a molten planet that took billions of years to cool……there are so many factors that affect the climate…..sun flares, volcanoes, ocean temps….etc…..there is no possible way to prove that man affects the climate, zero, nada, zipppo! And, so what if the earth is warming, we will adjust…there will not be a catastrophe….they have been screaming this for 20 years….is New York under water? They DELETED the data? The earth is going to be destroyed based on the data…but they don’t have it anymore….BS!!..the politics of fear. ANYTIME the government tries to scare you….challenge it…off topic, but I think the whole pig virus scare is a scam too…!…
Settled Science;
1. The sun and planets rotate around the earth.
2. Climatic Change is caused by the displeasure of the Gods (often appeased by human sacrafice)
3. The earth is flat.
4. The theory of Arayan Superiority.
All of these an many more wore “settled science” viciously defended by the intellectual and political “elites” of their day and culture. Simple logic and historic research show the climate alarmists to be wrong. When Greenland was pastureland due to the retreat of the Artic Ice, LONDON WAS NOT UNDER WATER. Nor was any other major port city. Temperatures were warmer, the ice sheets in the north polar regions (and likely in the south as well, although I don’t know if there is quantitative evidence of this) were well away from their recent positions. The polar bears did not die out, cities were not flooded, and the world did not end.
Why do we allow the climate loons to present their nonsense in schools as “fact”? Because most of us are busy feeding and housing our kids. The left knows that if they subvert education, they can get anything done in time. The rest of us need to start paying attention to education policy and get it under control, or we will always be fighting this same battle under a different name.
We need to go back to teaching our kids to THINK, instead of teaching them to learn. Maybe then this kind of nonsense will stop and we can go back to respecting excellence and innovation.
Your rational responses are welcome at PSGute@aol.com
I think today McCain and CBS both threw in the towel on Climategate and admitted they had been wrong.
Interesting you beat on thew phrase ‘Fair and Balanced”. Fox News if the only one to claim it, yet the least likely to fulfill it.
Climategate is bad, yet of the thousands of emails, only the few you point out show Global warming in a negative manner. The other thousands show a deep concern on the part of true Climate Experts about the condition of our planet. You don’t mention those, do you?
It is not an MSM conspiracy, yet they are the only ones who are constrained by journalistic integrity to actually weigh the evidence.
How many emails captured supported global warming, and how many showed denial.
Of course, the exposure of the emails are a result of a crime,committed against a research institution. Do you condone crime?
I forgot to mention. Now that we have totally debunked man’s impact on the environment we can:
1. Put all our sewage and filth into the worlds waterways without repercussions.
2. Spew CO2 and all other pollutants into the air without impact.
3. Get rid of catalytic converters, emission controls and restrictions on burning and other waste treatment.
4. Get rid of the EPA and all US Environmental regulations.
5. Issue mea culpas on all the SuperFund sites, letting the local governments turn them into parks. Or maybe good sites for day care centers.
This will mean a great increase in our economy, and the industries will regulate themselves. We will save so much in government spending and taxes. yippee@!
Thank you John. You have freed the shackles of environmental oppression from our souls and let us be free! hallelujah!
From Norway to Gambia, dubious motives will use fear of climate change, and Copenhagen in an attempt to create a new world power.
http://pacificgatepost.com/2009/10/un-new-world-power-through-climate.html
American taxpayers can’t afford it.
86. Mike: Do you know what the experts predicted in the ’70′s? The coming little ice age when we would expect rising oceans flooding coastal cities.
It really doesn’t matter whether the earth is cooling or warming, according to the experts, we are all doomed. You know what, I agree. I predict we’ll all die, sooner or later. I further predict, in 30 years, prophet AlGore will save us from the coming ice age which would freeze the rhinoeros in Africa to death if we had done nothing.
I only hope that each of the climate change deniers lives as very, very long life, and their children and grandchildren do as well. A little snow in Houston does not contradict shrinking polar and glacial ice, any more than a cool season or two in the U.S. disproves documented global trends. Ozone depletion and the greenhouse effect and the science surrounding it has not been debunked by sloppy scientific discourse and flawed models. But, go ahead, believe what you want. Some people think the world is only 6,000 years old.
Lying liars lie.
Global Warming caused by man: a big lie.
So, what else are they lying about?
45 million uninsured? You can keep your own doctor? Your premiums won’t go up under this plan? Illegals won’t be covered by this health plan? No death panels? No increase of the wait time to see a doctor? Everybody will have to pay?
We’re trying the terrorists in New York City so that the world can see how great our justice system works?
We support our troops?
Lying liars lie.
Thanks for this website and your article.
I’m an oldtimer who started out under the fear of nuclear holocaust from the Cold War’s bad guys (Russians). That fear was promoted by all news media, and many American lives were sacrificed in Korea and Vietnam. Then when the USSR went bankrupt, the then-prevalent notion that we were returning to an ice age changed into global warming. The bad guys morphed into energy providers who would destroy the earth with exhaust from SUV’s.
Since my old college geology book said the seas had been rising 1/4 inch/year since the last ice age, I took the first wave of brainwashing with a grain of salt, since for the past 100 years since the Galveston hurricane, the Gulf had really not risen even 1/4″ per year. However, I was starting to get worried when the media said it was rising much more than that. Now to realize that there is no scientific basis for the fearmongering, that 1934 was hotter than any succeeding year, and that even NASA fudged to get an upward temp chart, I am mad.
Dr. McLuhan, a Canadian prof who coined the term ‘global village’ in the ’60s, predicted the electronic age would change everything about our culture. He was right; the internet has replaced the need for TV news, newspapers, and even the expensive public school systems. This incident proves the obsolescence of the media; we’ve done fine without them. In fact, I even uncovered the blatant changes made by James Hansen at NASA, just by searching and looking at the history of NASA climate data.
I don’t plan to let this drop; after all, we can all email easily to the people in Washington. I have written those who represent me demanding a full investigation into NASA’s climate center’s operations and the discontinuance of funding until a separate audit by other climate scientists is performed.
I believe we need to take care of the earth, but I don’t think taking money from one group of people to fund another group should ever happen without a great, universal cause. Without adequate science, that cause must not be based on the fear of global warming caused by fossil fuel use.
Finally, a definitive list of those who’ve ignored Climategate.
1. CBS-TV
2. ABC-TV
3. NBC-TV
4. Hannz Keller of Germany
5. Zeck Benjamin of Stockholm, New Jersey
6. Rory Carson of Sea Cliff, Long island, N.Y.
7. Sugar Maples, Sugarloaf, N.Y.
8. Professor Hank Gate, Cambridge, Ma.
9. Harold Pollack of California
If anyone knows of anyone else that I should add to this comprehensive list of Climategate Denier, please let me know.
You know, this whole climate gate thing is a scam. At first being a skeptic i jumped on the bandwagon which i would assume most of the people here are doing but when you actually take what the emails are referring to in context rather than what Mr. Hannity wants to tell you they say you see a really different story.
All i ask of people is to do research before you jump on and make yourself look stupid for looking at something its not. Here is a wonderful link to a movie that will explain it. by the way i am not an enviromentalist hippie who wants to save the whales. I am a proud libertarian and a natural skeptic
CHECK IT OUT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg
Hey Bob,
The thing you guys do not get is that whether or not the earth is heating up or cooling down has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is whether or not MAN is causing these changes, specifically CO2 generated by human activity. Find a different religion.
Ms. Peepers hit the nail on the head.
I find it amusing that the internet, invented as a tool for maintaining communications during a nuclear war, then evolving to a means for scientists to keep each other current on their fields of research, has now become the watchdog of humanity.
The WWW was critical in the last two US Elections. Both were won by the Democrats, who made better use of the Web’s social networking possibilities. The MSM no longer has the capability to kill stories it doesn’t like. Don’t believe me, just ask Mr. Rather.
Meanwhile, John, Have you considered using your soap box to spread a little fact about AGW? Not propaganda for either side, but cold hard facts. Start with the science behind temperatue measurements. I’ll bet less then 20% of Americans know what an ‘ice core’ is or a coccolith ( I’d go to 2% on that last).
Show your audience how temperatures in the remote past are measured.
Now that the data and algorithms for the AGW models are available, show how they are used. Test some of the models.
Always stress that this is SCIENCE, and therefore theory not fact.
IMHO Solar activity and continental drift have more to do with global climate then humans, since the climate has been changing much longer then humans have been around. However, it is important to determine just how much influence humans have on climate. That will take LOTS of data.
We don’t need more models that don’t work. We need more and better data. Get the climatologists out of their air conditioned offices and out from in front of their high end work stations. They need to be in the field, setting up ‘climate stations’, releasing balloons and floats.
That was what Freeman Dyson recommended years ago. He is correct, as usual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSxubKfTBU
I won’t link to part2. It’s there if anyone is seriously interested.
Global warming is the new cold fusion.
Hey Bob, we’re talking about ClimateGate. You know, the scandal in which “warming scientists” discussed the lack of proof in their results, their desire to destroy contrary data, etc etc. “documented global trends”?…. as the author states, those of you in and out of media who’ve decided that this is so real/important, you’ll never be swayed by pesky science and fact. You’ve got an agenda, and that’s all that matters, isn’t it?…..
Climate alarm is no different from other alarms; each is intended to separate the sucker from his and others’ money. I believe the climate change folks as well as other of their ilk are all in service to getting more money for the growing hunger of governments the world round for money, money and more money. The simple problem is that as governments grow, the private sector shrinks in comparative ratio, and since the private sector is the ONLY place real wealth and value is created, governments grow to their peoples’ and cultures’ inability to fund them, and then collapse. Sounds alarmist? Not at all; the USSR is a case in point, as is the history of government thoughout the 20th century. More, much more and increasingly more from a private sector towards a government, and then the government simply must collapse from simple arithmetic. Climate change is merely a tool to excuse government for their rapacious hunger and greed.
Barleyman– How much of your ‘evidence’ have YOU seen? That is the point. ‘Scientist’ are selling used cars now!
Six billion humans on earth and six thousand ants on a cruise ship have a lot in common. Among them, they have the same control over the ‘climate’ as they do the steering.
“Meanwhile, I am very impressed with the wide-ranging internet coverage of Climategate.”
Enjoy the internet, the last free place on the earth, while you can. If the Republicans don’t take back control of Congress in 2010 (in the face of a tremendous campaign of fraud and intimidation orchestrated from the White House), the internet as we know it will be shut down. Net neutrality, WCAG1, WCAG2, W3C, and IETF standards – the mechanism is already in place, just waiting. Look it up and tremble.
GOOD NEWS FOLKS-the Senate in AUSTRALIA just destroyed CRAP AND TAX legislation. It seems as PUBLIC OUTRAGE over CLIMATEGATE has forced a deal the Australian “conservatives” in there lower house of Parliament has been dropped, and the upper chamber has voted overwhelimingly to DEFEAT crap and tax. Its a first step. Now lets go after SOROS, MAURICE STRONG,ALWHORE and all the lying SOCIAL SCIENTISTS and governement WHORES whove been perpetuating this fraud. MICHAEL MANN has ALREADY thrown PHIL JONES under the double decker. Add ALWHORE and JOHN HOLDREN TO THE LIST OF THOSE WHO NEED A ONE WAY TICKET TO A MAX SECURITY MENTAL FACILITY.
To Donna V.: Do you have any idea that the Christmas in Cambodia thing was never, ever more than (yet again) an idiotic, malicious smear that you gullible numbnuts were completely suckered into both believing and spreading through the right wing nut-o-sphere? Don’t believe me? For a very typical example, go read this opinion column written by an AEI stooge (a redundant phrase). Note well that this appeared in the Washington Post, which, as did pretty much the entire corporate media, fell on its face in its “coverage” of the 2004 election.
For one thing, the AEI stooge starts off with his own little whooper, that “That is Kerry’s apparently fabricated claim that he fought in Cambodia.” Umm, no. Kerry never claimed that. And no, I’m not going to “prove” that because it’s a logic fallacy to think someone is obligated to “unprove” an unsupported rumor (“Presidant Obama, please unprove that your Certificate of Live Birth doesn’t prove anything.”) But you can feel free to spend the weekend on Google or Bing, but you will never find an exact quote where he says. You will find a warehouse worth’s of right wing site claiming that he did, however.
And you don’t exactly have to much further into that same Post piece to get another bit of BS: “It is an assertion he made first, insofar as the written record reveals, in 1979 in a letter to the Boston Herald.” For one thing, there wasn’t even a “Boston Herald” in 1979 — it appeared in the “Boston Herald American” (something which everyone seems to have gotten wrong, even outside the nut-o-sphere). And it wasn’t a letter, it was lengthy review of the movie Apocalypse Now — see a reprint here (it’s at the bottom of the page in English).
Now look at the quote that the nut-o-sphere seized on outside of any context (although context in general makes the heads of right wingers explode): “I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our SouthVietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.”
Some right wingers said that this shows Kerry to be a liar because Nixon wasn’t President in 1968, but that disingenuously (or grossly ignorantly) ignores how Kerry had written that article years *after* Nixon had been President, and how do you correctly refer to an ex-President? And Kerry did indeed depict Nixon accurately as a liar: because Nixon had said in 1971 that “There are no American combat troops in Cambodia. There are no American combat advisers in Cambodia. There will be no American combat troops or advisers in Cambodia.
But the US had been covertly bombing Cambodia since 1965 and running incursions since 1967 at the least, and Nixon escalated matters. Again, Kerry had written that article years *after* Nixon had done all this. You rummies confused Kerry looking back years later with him Kerry writing it at the time.
Thanks for demonstrating (although it’s completely redundant at this) my oft-stated point that no smart, well-informed and ethical person voted for Bush in 2004. Seriously. But if I was not to be diplomatic about it, I would say that only ignorant dumbasses voted for Bush in 2004 — something else that’s been validated over and over again. If Kerry had been elected, chances are pretty good that he would have more listened to Clinton’s warnings about Bin Laden, and would have taken all those many pre-9/11 warnings seriously. At the very least, Bin Laden would be dead or captured by now because that massively destructive, bloody and pointless invasion of Iraq would never have happened and been the draining distraction it has turned out to be.
BC: Are you old yellow stain himself John Kerry? I think the swift boats got it right. When there was a battle, Kerry turned tail. There is no dispute. But for a guy to show up for a purple heart with no injuries… I just wish Patton was around to slap old yellow stain silly. The insult of an unscratched self-promoter claiming purple hearts having sustained no injuries while other brave soldiers lay close to death from their real combat injuries is an insult to GIs, Country and God Himself. The American People and most Conservatives did not like Bush, but nobody is ever going to let a combat coward into the white house.
And just for the record, Clinton did not give warnings about bin laden, he received them but he was too busy squirting Monica to pay much attention to anything else. Yep Liberals are losers no doubt about it.
I’ve joined a new political party. It’s called the Freedom party, and it has two planks: Democracy and Prosperity.
I used to be a Republican, but they disgust me. I think the Dems are much worse–they are in bed with the commies/socialists, as ClimateGate has so deliciously indicated. They’re certainly not about freedom of information (CRUtape Letters) or energy independence (nuclear power).
I’ve claimed to be an Independent for several years, but that’s just a group that determines elections between the Dems and the Repubs, which is a lose/lose situation.
No I finally have a movement I can push which will make the world a better place for my kids.
114. BC:
WWAAAHHH Kerry is a bigger fraud than algore and the chiapet in chief.
“they will preach global warming until they can claim: “We were misled.”
Jct: They can use the alibi “We were misled” when the hoax is exposed but the longer they refuse to admit the truth, the less likely their alibi.
ABC, CBS, NBC searches for climategate have zero results!!!
So the behind-the-scenes powers not only control the UN, the Oscar Prize panel, the Nobel Prize panel but the Main Stream Media too! Few people realized how interconnected our global masters are but this sure exposes a lot of behind-the-scenes connections for people to look at. Of course, the masses of the sheople do not look, one reason revolutions always get rid of the intelligentsia who know the facts first.
It’s been said that the person winning an argument versus a “liberal” is a fascist. When that is combined with the lack of civility by “liberals”, in other words they resort to name calling, the debate is all but over.
A challenge to anyone else: What should the liberals be called?
I propose, libranos. Why? Because up here in Canada the Liberal Party of Canada got caught up in scandal, and a t-shirt was made which made high ranking Liberals look like members of the “Sopranos”. So, feel free to call the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and crew “Liberanos”.
To Lordrobot (and lars olfen): You’re not getting it — pretty much *every* negative thing you saw or heard about Kerry during 2004 was never more than a flimflam operation targeting the easily confused, researched challenged and logic impaired — aka Bush supporters. Press coverage was a complete clusterf*ck, so much so that Bush supporters and the GOP and was able to at will spread the most stupid and/or vile rubbish without any consequences, from the Swift Boat Liars to the CYA smearing of Joe Wilson to all those craven attacks on Kerry’s service. If you believed any of that stuff, you were suckered just as badly as if you had fallen for a Nigerian scam.
32. tdiinva:
“In my one and only response to the troll known as vivo I ask him to provide real scientific data that the AGW is real. I don’t meant news stories from AP, Reuters or anything based upon CRU data.”
Let me make it easy for you and me: go to Wikipedia.
“Press coverage was a complete clusterf*ck, so much so that Bush supporters and the GOP and was able to at will spread the most stupid and/or vile rubbish without any consequences”
Love this line. The reason press coverage was a clusterfck was because they were waiting on Kerry to spin it so they could back him up. And its amazing to me that you believe Kerry’s Christmas in Cambodia lies were due to media negligence, while overlooking CBS’s Fake But Accurate fraud.
Admit it – what your upset about is that the press failed to protect Kerry. Think for a moment what that really means.
“any more than a cool season or two in the U.S. disproves documented global trends.”
Documented trends based on fraud. You guys really love the Fake But Accurate logic, eh?
Dr Coleman–you do a disservice to them memory of Dr Roger Revelle who put forward the hypothesis of AGW by CO2 and then rejected his hypothesis. I would recommend anyone interested in the story google [S. Fred Singer Roger Revelle] for Singer’s account of what happened and why he had to sue one of Gore’s minions.
And anyone who thinks there are other sources of “proof” of AGW, I would recommend they go to Anthony Watts’s surfacestations.com site and get a look at the “quality” of data the people at GISS use to conclude that AG@ is taking place.
Just yesterday, i.e. December 6th, the following line was deleted from Wikipedia article about Roger Revelle :
“Shortly before his death he stated the CO2 was not responsible for global warming.”
It seems the global warming hysteria is happening to us even faster than the global warming itself
To Fen: did you check out those links? They all are a teeny bit more researched than what made/makes up the vast bulk of “coverage” about those topics, whether from blog sites or the corporate media. And they paint a much more complex and detailed picture that doesn’t resemble at all the dumbed down, confused rubbish that most Americans were being fed on a regular basis. You referenced the CBS thing — how would you feel to know that *most* military & government memos (as in “Memorandum for…”) that can be found here and there on the Internet from the late 50′s to the early 70′s are proportionally printed? Despite all the accusations and “coverage,” you would never know this somewhat overlooked bit of possibly useful info unless you gave up several hours of your time to Google for it (and you have to be good at it, and the same thing applies to the archiving and formatting — memos are not archived unless they are classified, and they have a different format from official records and letters.)
With the topic of Global Warming, it’s been the same old, same old: key facts and important details deliberately get ignored, discarded and twisted by people and organizations with vested political & industry interests, the blog and political sites amplify the politics to nutcase extremes, and the corporate media just goes into he said/she said, butt scratching, latte sipping, “Leave it there” mode. And nobody ends up the wiser (so to speak.)
BC:
And the truth shall set you free. johnkerry much like algore and mm.mmm.mmmm…hussein obama are self serving, lying, statist hacks. I am not a bush supporter or a republican, so don’t throw that in my face.
kerrys assertions, then and now, are ludicrous, it is common knowledge the anit-war movement was puppeteered, funded and supported by the soviet union. For kerry to assert the following in 1971 belies his collosal ignorance:
“We could come back to this country, we could be quiet, we could hold our silence, we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel, because of what threatens this country, not the reds, but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.”
not to mention this, about US Forces in Afghanistan, oh wait that was Irag:
“…there is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, [and] women.”
Canadian Issues:
$10 Billion Dollars & more per Year For a Fraud?
Canadians are interested in results of what is going on about Climategate in Canada! As it has to do with our lives,lifestyle whether or not we are going to be living in a Democracy or under a Dictatorship?
Jim prentice has stated & PM Harper advocates this as well otherwise Prentice wouldn’t be uttering it”Canada will be paying it’s fair share of Carbon Emmissions! To the tune of $10 Billion per year!” Really, we are already $70 Billion in debt thanks to Michael Ignatieff & the Liberals who up’ed the anti to the Canadian debt load on stimulus!
This begs the question where Jim Prentice plans to dig the $10 Billion per year out of? Did somebody say more Tax?
What is so disheartening about that is the fact that now it’s been found that the whole Climate Emission scam has been proven to be Fraudulent as credible Scientests around the world who were previously locked out of putting their work and findings forth by Jones of East Anglia University and the CRU,were pushed out of the picture with thier observations and experiment results on Climate Change found that not only is the earth not heating up in reality it has been cooling since the 1960’s!
How much more fraudulent can this Scientific Data be? The United Nations and the Globalists are using this false Data at Copenhagen, to transfer our wealth to third world countries? Yet Environment Minister Jim Prentice and Prime Minister Stephen Harper feel so generous with Canadian Tax payer dollars that they are willing to toss in $10 Billion per year on the “hot air” that Ban Kai Moon and Pompus PM Gordon Brown and the rest of the Criminal Rogues that are involved in this bogus Carbon Emission Treaty! As the Bible says,”A Fool and his money are soon parted”! To request that PM Harper doesn’t sign the Copenhagen Treaty, causing Canadians to lose their Sovereignty and Freedom email the PM at: pm@pm.gc.ca,Protest Copenhagen Treaty http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html
There are four reasons the UN and IMF, Global Elitist Members Re: Ban Kai Moon ( Who has openly expressed his stong desire for Global Governance ), PM Gordon Brown, Bilderberg Member Henry Kissinger, Senior Bilderberg Member David Rockefeller as well as an unprecedented number of Dictators that run various countries who are members of the United Nations this Copenhagen Treaty that was designed to acquire four goals, the least of them being climate improvment or protection as Lord Moncton has stated!
(1.) To de-industrialize Sovereign Countries ( No Jobs keep you dependant on State ) ( 2.) Take your money and assets – Hence, Fraudulent Carbon Emmissions and Carbon Gases for Carbon Credits and Carbon Taxes! (3.) Take away your property (4.) Take away your Sovereignty and Freedom!
Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
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