C’mon Guys! Please Don’t Show Us Your ‘Heavage’
If you don’t think that the culture is descending into blithering nonsense, follow male fashion. Actually, if you’re following male fashion, you’re living evidence that the culture has become degraded.
Last year, it was pointy-toed shoes where men willfully walked around looking like Santa’s little helpers. This year, it’s “heavage.” What is heavage you ask? Heavage is man cleavage where just a little moob (man boob) and maybe a whole lot of hair is showing.
According to the Wall Street Journal fashion types, this means a return to … manliness:
Man cleavage — plunging necklines slit open to reveal chest hair, pectoral muscles, maybe more — is back.
Until recently, male décolletage was an androgynous fashion affectation limited mainly to sporadic appearances on European runways. But the look, including deep V-necks and scoop-neck tops, hit the U.S. in full force at New York’s September Fashion Week, turning up at shows by Duckie Brown, Michael Bastian and Yigal Azrouël.
If the fall runway shows were any indication, men’s necklines are taking a plunge. WSJ’s Ray Smith lets you know how far to go, and weighs in on the issue of chest hair.
This time around, the styles were more blatantly sexual and the models had more studly swagger. New York designer Mr. Bastian said his show’s vibe was inspired in part by “Latin guys” he noticed wearing their shirts unbuttoned, as well as the unabashed machismo of Latin American men in general. “We wanted to go back to a more natural body, a more ’70s body with the models, getting away from the super skinny,” says Mr. Bastian.
I have some news for Mr. Bastian: The ’70s were hideous. There were man perms. Remember the powder blue tux with ruffles? How about the wide lapels and the fat ties that fought them? This was the decade of Elvis Presley’s lamb-chop sideburns. And even now, “pornstaches” (as in mustaches gracing ’70s-era porn stars) are scorned.
The ’70s was not a macho era; it was the drug-addled after affects of the hippie movement. It was not a good time stylewise or otherwise. It’s interesting how male fashion is going the way of Jimmy Carter just as the country seems doomed to a Carteresque presidency.
The problem with men’s “fashions” is that they have become “homosexualized”. Is that too non PC to be said? Tough. Men are made to look like women and women like men. Who does all thsi crap appeal to? They look like male sex slaves. First we had the “metrosexal” and now the “unisexual”. It’s too obvious, is it.
Well said. Now take on the females.
i promise you melissa that i will firmly ignore the “dedicated followers of fashion”, buying my tan khakis from galls catalog and western style work boots. wearing my shirts with only the collar button open and trousers held up by a sturdy 1 and 1/2 inch “garrison belt” that also supports my ccw pistol holster, cell phone pouch and cigarette lighter pouch as well as the one that carries my leatherman tool and minimag flashlight. i’m far too old to change now, and my wife, and female friends like me as i am. i never could stand those pointy toed fake “cowboy boots” anyway
I predicted returns of ’70s fashions years ago, with accompanying waves of nausea of course..
and as with any other revealing fashion, the true social damage lies not with the beautiful ones but with others who yield to the temptation of believing they are such, and act accordingly.
Perhaps I will be struck blind and spared this. But I expect to continue to be blessed, and cursed, with 20 20 vision..
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Great, now I’m remembering the picture of John Kerry in a tank. Except that my mind’s eye has unbuttoned his shirt a little-ewwww.
Thanks for the info and tips Dr. Clouthier.
Now I can grab another warm beer, light up and chew a slobber soaked cigar and relax watching football games without paying attention to the other half’s endless harping and pecking that I need to be more like weird Harold the neighbor down the street, or worse yet Mr. Prissy the One in the Whitehouse himself.
And for what it is worth gals; try natural. Real men love it. No silicone bulges, things that jingle jangle, butterfly tattoos, fake moans or war paint.
Just the unbearably sweet smell of a fresh shower is perfect. God would not have put a bar of Ivory soap in the dish if this were not true.
I was so happy to have been born after this period and you’re telling me I have to live through a revival of some of the dippiest fashions of the past two centuries? And people wonder why more & more modern women never marry.
If men really want to see what masculinity looks like, may I suggest watching movies from the 1930s-50s? Jimmy Stewart, James Cagney, Frank Sinatra, John Wayne, I could go on & on. And none of them needed implants *sneer* to be men.
Or, see @gunner’s post #3 for examples.
Can you be a real man and not have at least one pair of “Dickies” insulated bib overalls?
I don’t think so.
Scythe, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Most gay men I know are MASCULINE & you would have no idea he was gay unless he said so; heck, I have been on several dates with men & none are the wiser it is indeed a date.
When a man shows his pectoral muscles, it is usually a show for his muscles: Look at me. Granted, not all muscle men are gay & are simply wearing their workout clothes. This new trend is a fad like the above mentioned things in the article. However, male perms went on through the 1980′s.
All of this is indeed a return of the 1970′s: Obama is Carter & the 70′s fashion makes a return. Nothing new. Move along.
Just last night I was with my tap dance performing group of 20 VERY sharp pretty women. A collective “Euwwwww” burst out when someone mentioned how women feel when approached by a guy with a partially unbuttoned shirt and gold chains. They’re repulsive! And please…give us a man with dark colored guy clothes…we women will wear the bright colors!
All things being equal, you’re finally moving into an area where you can’t do any damage.
Actually, this is a good sign. For years, chest hair, a traditional sign of manliness, has been reviled by the fashion world and subsequently by women. Part of it was influenced by body builders, swimmers and wrestlers who remove their body hair, but a lot of this trend was pushed with the notion of the hairless gay prettyboy being some kind of physical ideal for men. This went hand in glove with the whole metrosexual thing.
This trend towards open collars and showing a little bit of one’s hirsute hair suit is a good sign. Better than seeing ads for electrolysis in the sports section.
It’s ironic that facial and body hair on men, hitherto considered a secondary sexual characteristic and an indicator of the presence of testosterone, has become sexually unattractive to some women. Look at the ads on Craigslist – you’ll find postings from women looking for guys with no facial hair, no chest hair and no pubic hair (back hair is too disgusting for them to even mention).
Some of this may also have to do with quasi-pedophilia and the widespread viewing of graphic porn. Gay culture has “twinks”, boyish looking young males, and most women working in porn (and it seems, a large percentage who don’t work in porn as well) completely remove their pubic hair.
Of course, many of the open chest designs on the runways are crafted by gay men. Maybe they’ve started dating more masculine looking guys.
Not to be a noodge, but I suspect there is a substantial portion of the female population who do react positively to such superficial displays of hard bodies. They are exactly what these men want. Superficial men seek superficial women for superficial sex. These fashions serve to winnow out the undesired.
Are you trying to tell me that real men DON’T eat quiche? But seriously, most of the women I have met want men to look and act like men, yes, to be big and strong, but protective, decisive, and responsible, too.
Believe me when I say, that as a grandmother and Christian, Melissa, you need to get laid.
nevermind how the men weare outfits, wht does count is their mind !
as a reminder, just have a look how they wore silk stockings during our enlightened eras ! also how their suits were decorated, plus they wore a curly perruque
I don’t like to deal with a man that has no temper, nor a strond vision of his goals
uh, the former post about the silk stocking was from me, I hope it will get out the secret drawers, I forgot to register
men are players and if the women give them play, they will follow the latest greatest fashion. everything new is old forgotten. hey whats your sign? lol
Y’know, my biggest objection to all of this is the hideous new “heavage.” Ugh, if that isn’t a warning sign something is awry! “Moob” as well. Yuck! And if you need implants to achieve a “manly” chest, well, may I suggest some exercise instead? Improves both health and looks at the same time.
If men really want to see what masculinity looks like, may I suggest watching movies from the 1930s-50s? Jimmy Stewart, James Cagney, Frank Sinatra, John Wayne, I could go on & on. And none of them needed implants *sneer* to be men.
All of those men looked pretty darn good in suits and tuxs too, without being “metrosexual.” The foppishness of a John Edwards is ridiculous, but being masculine doesn’t mean you have to go around looking like an absolute slob.
I have always found the waxed chest thing creepy, just as I found the anoxeric female model offputting. The whole idea seems to be that “sexy” = looking like a kid who hasn’t hit puberty yet.
Most gay men I know are MASCULINE & you would have no idea he was gay unless he said so
Sebastian: I have a cousin who is gay. If he hadn’t told me, I never would have realized it, because there is absolutely nothing effeminate about the guy. He’s also an engineer and the sole Republican in his nuclear family. I don’t think those things are unconnected.
The gay men I have known who are screamingly, in-your-face gay are diehard Dems. I don’t think that’s a consequence either.
For that matter, many of the technically straight liberal men I know seem about as manly as Hello Kitty.
Opps, I meant “coincidence” not “consequence.”
Whenever I saw guys at my high school with their shirts buttoned down to their chests and ready-to-score looks (and many with gold chains on their necks to boot!), the word that came to my mind was “cheap.” Not as in “cheapskate”, but as someone who would cheapen his body – and who knows what else – to get whatever he wants.
I ran away from that type as fast as I could. I hated them then, and I still do. And those were not the seventies for me, but the late 80′s.
Give me classic, buttoned-up, non-early-Travolta-look, nicely-combed hair, and some character and worthy life goals, and then we can talk about what’s underneath the shirt… and the pants… and… OK, I’ll stop…
Girls like Melissa Clothier shouldn’t be putting on a public cleavage display either.
Television, from the news reader on the local network affiliate station to the nighttime drama series, is run by women who can’t button up a blouse to save their necks. And who watches the most TV by far? Women!
“For that matter, many of the technically straight liberal men I know seem about as manly as Hello Kitty.”–Donna
Donna, you’re quote is true; just look at President Obama. He’s a complete emasculated tool who tries his best to project strength when all I see is ego-narcissism completely left unchecked. He bows before other nations in ignorance & arrogance. He clearly does not wear the pants in the family. Perhaps Michelle Obama does & she is secretly a drag queen?
In other news, we have a man afraid of a cockroach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5L9Gl91csU
What have I done when I see a cockroach? I kill it with my foot or with poison. This guy screams like Obama when he has to explain he did something wrong to Michelle. Sad. At least Obama has “glistening pecks.” See, I tied it back into the main article…
“Heavage” is just as bad as “bromance.” Men don’t have cleavage even when they do show their pecks, not counting the man-boobs when pecks meet gravity & Father Time. However, who cares? I agree with the other poster who said this writer needs to get laid. I can’t believe you made an essay out of men’s pecks.
Ugh, the pointy toed shoes! I first saw those back in 2005 while on a trip to Russia where every guy was wearing them. I remember thinking “WTF, really?!”, and being thankful they would never make it to the U.S. Boy was I wrong, luckily they didn’t catch on. Definitely one of the most ridiculous items of men’s clothing I’ve ever seen. ‘Cept maybe for the crotch halfway down the calf, belted under the ass cheeks, baggy pants so popular today.
The only time a man should show ‘Heavage’ is when he is doing manual labor in a plaid shirt. Then it’s manly.
Ok, Sebastian, now that dude is just pitiful. (He probably trolls at PJM.) I would say that he just needs to turn in his “Man” card right now, but I’m not a man and I don’t react like that when I see a bug. Just kill the damn thing and be done with it.
Can’t blame Obama for toeing the line with Michelle – she’s got more in the way of biceps than he has.
melissa: # 15 is sooooooooooooooooooo right!! I am 53 years old and I love nothing but to show the hair on my chest!! why not? I think the reason you have written this article is because you have not gotten laid in a decade and the reason for it is probably and most likely you weigh over 250lb and most guys will not give you the time of the day!!! BTW I shave mu pubic hair.. what do you think of this?
13. Marc Malone:
Not to be a noodge, but I suspect there is a substantial portion of the female population who do react positively to such superficial displays of hard bodies. They are exactly what these men want. Superficial men seek superficial women for superficial sex. These fashions serve to winnow out the undesired.
Marc, you’ve seen too much t.v., or you’ve been listening to too many women who believe the lies that are told about us by male sitcom writers on t.v.
I don’t know a woman who, following her own instincts, lives or thinks like those nitwits on Friends or Sex and the City. This notion of single women chasing down sex partners is partly a male fantasy, partly a male creation (i.e. the fantasy has been pushed so hard that it has to some extent come true). Most women just want smart, kind, reliable men. A masculine face and a fit body are enough in the looks department.
To my mind, one word and one image settles it all:
http://maltesegirls.blogspot.com/2009/12/sexy.html
I got a real chuckle out of your article, and its on point. Are men really getting “boob jobs”? I can’t believe it, actually, I can. But you did refresh an embarrassing memory of mine. At my high school prom in 1973 I wore a powder blue tux with a ruffled shirt. It bothers me still. Thanks alot.
The 70′s had great music, good films and decent TV, but the fashions, hair styles and home decor were hideous almost beyond belief and I refuse to be dragged back there. And we can’t be rid of the metrosexual male soon enough.
The gay men I have known who are screamingly, in-your-face gay are diehard Dems. I don’t think that’s a consequence either.
Its safe to say that your opinions are hyper-generalizations. LOL. I’m tempted to say only a Republican would come up with an asinine statement, but I know plenty of people who identify that way and would laugh just as hard in your face [double so, as your earnest tone makes it obvious you expect this to be taken seriously]. It does seem to be a common theme at PajamasMedia–where you’re not so much Republicans or Conservatives as people with terminating brain-stems.
I’m eternally grateful for the 70′s. Now in my own 50′s if anybody tells me I look like pile of shit, I whip out a pic of me from the 70′s and ask, be honest, do I look better today, (with, granted, a larger midriff than I would like, gray hair here and there, and a few fashion malfunctions), or in the 70s (with permanent bad hair day syndrome, bell bottoms, eyeglases de size of the eyes of giant squid, and colors that were scientifically selected to provide maximum distress.)
How many generations can say that they look better 30 years later? The whole secret is to dress so obnoxioulsly in early years that by comparison you look better later on.
I think this is just due to the rise in the price of gold. Rich guys want an excuse to show off their gold chains. No doubt the gold chain will make a comeback, Mr. T, here we come.
How come humans are one of the few mammals where da girl hazta be the purdy one?
Moobz is not sexay though.
I actually didn’t need to have many of those fashion images conjured up in my head. That said, some things like bell bottoms are better left in the past. But let’s not just pick on the seventies. There are the leg warmers and knickers from the eighties, and that’s something that certainly doesn’t need resurrecting. Every woman who worked in an office had to show she was serious with the padded shoulders of a linebacker. Stick to classics. Accessorize for variety. You’ll look great no matter the decade.
I remember the colors from the 1970′s for homes: green, orange, yellow, & red. Wallpaper everywhere. Popcorn ceilings. Dark brown wood for homes.
How about stagflation? Long gas lines? Jimmy Carter’s conversations with Amy.
Yes, the plunging shirt on a guy is cheesy, but I agree with others that some chest hair making a comeback is a good thing. Apparently the waxed guy look moved from gay porn and bodybuilding, thru straight porn into popular culture.
Ugh. Similar to women convincing each other they’re supposed to have no curves or pubic hair — the attempt to look barely pubescent is creepy.
I certaily have no problem with ‘tidying up’ body hair, just the expected elimination.
Anon (Perez Hilton, is that you?): ooooh, did I strike a nerve, bluebell?
Freddy Hill:
How many generations can say that they look better 30 years later? The whole secret is to dress so obnoxioulsly in early years that by comparison you look better later on.
I think the kids who dressed up in clown pants 6 sizes too big and baseball caps worn backwards (a way of immediately making oneself look moronic) or the ones who cover themselves in head to toe tats and have so many piercings they look like they dived face first into a tackle box learned the lesson. They’ll definitely look better in 30 years.
I remember the colors from the 1970’s for homes: green, orange, yellow, & red.
Ah, yes avocado green and harvest gold. Beanbag chairs and shag carpeting.
A friend of mine lived in Cincinnati during the ’70′s and she drove through a rather ritzy neighborhood to get to work. She noticed a lot of beautiful Oriental carpets on the curb for the garbagemen to pick up. People were just tossing out those rugs because they had just had “wall-to-wall” and shag carpeting put in. Hardwood floors with Oriental rugs weren’t fashionable.
But my friend figured Oriental rugs would come back into vogue, so she started stopping and picking them up off the curb when she saw them. She ended up with 8. She had them cleaned and stored – and a decade later, she had them appraised. They were worth a total of $22,000.
She picked $22,000 right up off the street. “Antique Roadshow” fans, eat your heart out!
Oh, dear, I just remembered another ’70′s crime against humanity (no, not “Muskrat Love”):
leisure suits.
The horror! The horror!
what the heck is it with allegedly heterosexual women?? they don’t want to see our chests..they don’t want to see our legs..they don’t want to see us in swimwear..god forbid they get even a glimpse of our genitals. seems as though all they are interested in seeing is our wallets. at least gay men can appreciate us for the hairy, muscled, sexy hunks of meat that we are !
“I don’t know a woman who, following her own instincts, lives or thinks like those nitwits on Friends or Sex and the City. This notion of single women chasing down sex partners is partly a male fantasy, partly a male creation (i.e. the fantasy has been pushed so hard that it has to some extent come true). Most women just want smart, kind, reliable men. A masculine face and a fit body are enough in the looks department.”
Your social circle =/= society at large. The notion that TV is making this stuff up, rather than taking advantage of trends it sees, which will lend popularity to their product simply through common interest, is absurd. It’s about time we move past the era where the behavior of women is the result of men, time to own up to your own behavior without the victim rationalizations.
I’m lazy so I picked the first article that came up, but you can find plenty using the headline “average number of female sexual partners rising”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1581043/French-women-are-the-sexual-predators-now.html
I have a wonderful photo of my husband in the 70s… striped bell bottoms, unbuttoned shirt, long hair, and… caught in the midst of doing some stupid dance step.
Within the family, this is known as a ‘precautionary example’. I also have some of female hairstyles we should all hope are never copied.
As bad as the ’70s were for men, the ’00s are for women. Having perused fashions from decades preceding the 1900s, men were merely copying the worst (frills) and most frivolous (ruffles) affectations… and now we see women copying the worst and most frivolous footwear of hundreds of years ago (platforms in varying degrees of ‘walkability’).
See Peacock, John — Chronicle of Western Fashion for a better understanding of the cycles… and fads.
However, if you really want to see men at their finest, get thee to a Marine Corps basic training installation… and watch them run in the really cute and short Marine running shorts. My husband (at 70) may not be quite as buff as he was during basic training… but …ohnevermind
LOL. If I want to act effeminate I’ll do so, and if I want to act masculine also; you have no idea whether I’m a man or a woman, you idiotic douche. You only out yourself as a prisoner the opinions of others with such stupidity.
From #45′s link:
“French women are becoming increasingly assertive in their sexual habits, while one-in-five younger French men “has no interest in sex”, according to one of the most comprehensive surveys of the nation’s love lives.”
Holy crappola! It must be the female hormones in the milk!
Then, you’ve got this article about married women hating sex:
http://www.momlogic.com/2008/09/sexless_marriage_survey.php
@#44, actually I’m not a big fan of glimpsing either sex’s genitalia. Some things are just not that visually appealing but enjoyable like geoduck clams. lol
Prep work for the coming of Islam. Muttawa’s will be stopping men in the street and pulling on their beards. If you don’t have enough beard to allow them to grab a handful, they put you in jail until you do.
Got a problem with that? Talk to the 6 guys with him toting AK-47′s. It will be a short and painful conversation.
Gay fashion designers? Twisting slowly in the wind.
Females might still complain about hairy men, but they won’t do it loudly, or in public.
Youtube had a standard Taliban style roadside execution a few years back. It was pulled because of complaints. When they happen in front of your house, on your street, a complaint will just move you to the head of the line. When it happens on your street, it’s already to late to do anything about it.
Right on sister!
Be glad we’re not looking back to the age of Louis IV when men wore elaborate powdered wigs, silk stockings, & ruffled tunics.
Historically, men have always been as vain as women. Today’s fashions, all things considered, are really pretty plain & unadorned.
Delia, the article is from a brit paper, so–>BS when it concerns the French
also we don’t like much milk drinks here, but wine, waters, cafés, sodas…
Well I’ve known homosexual men that have been either end of the spectrum. A couple I didn’t even know they were homosexual until they volunteered that information, others you know right away.
As for me I’ll stick with classic male clothing. My shirt won’t be open more than the collar button.
As to the “kill a roach in a corner” style of shoes they look horrible on either sex.
The author seems to imply that chest hair is not manly. As a pectofolliccly gifted man, I’ve found the trend towards WAXING your chest somewhat effeminate.
Don’t let men;s fashion make you uncomfortable. I mean, I can understand why some things could and rightfully do make you uncomfortable – Asians for example – but fashion? No worries.
All of you in the fly-over states can continue to dress in your typical, boring style. Those of us men who enjoy fashion, and the smoking hot women who enjoy us, will embrace these trends, modify them so as not to look gay, and reap the rewards of sex you fools can only watch on youporn.
Go stuff your faces with something deep fried at the county fair.
Most men who wax their bodies are usually into muscle building pro or amateur competitions. I have seen pictures of gay, straight, & bi guys who like having no hair; however, they are usually nudists. It’s a wide spectrum of men as varied as the ones on planet Earth.
And while we are on this subject, I would add that women getting implants and making up their faces is also ridiculous. I do agree that there may be a correlation between masculine fashion and feminine presidencies. Of course, as we all now know, correlations are not always indicative of the facts. Please refer to the never to end AGW debate.
Jeannette said:
“Great, now I’m remembering the picture of John Kerry in a tank. Except that my mind’s eye has unbuttoned his shirt a little-ewwww.”
Hey, it could be worse — now imagine John Kerry in a tank *top*.
“Heavage” makes me heave!
#45.. it is not a male fantasy come to New York city and see it for your self…
Comments in this thread are very entertaining. Of all the decades we have to re-live, why, oh why, have we picked the ’70s?
I’m a t-shirt-and-jeans (Levi’s 501s) kind of guy, and my DGF doesn’t mind a bit. From the sex-appeal standpoint, hers is the only opinion that matters, anyway.
Asians make me uncomfortable to begin with. One with heavage? Oh my . . . . An Asian in
What a troll you are … most gay men are NEITHER masculine NOR effimate
They are in between
Calling most gay men masculine is like calling most gay men effimate
Both great generalizations and lies
Plus I’ve seen these ” masculine gay men ”
They are a bunch of posers
Same thing with the effimate gays
Why are you ignoring balanced gay men whom make up the majority ?
Why are you ignoring the normal gays whom are sick of all of the labeling ?
I am SICK of the social liberals ( I’m a social moderate ) and of the social conservatives
And one of the things I am sick of is how men’s fashions have become homosexualized ( that person above is right ! )
This goes to you Sebastian Shaw
I’m sick of gay men either going KITTY KITTY KITTY or ” No gosh they are ALL MACHO! ”
What has happened to MODERATION ???
Better yet why don’t straight women just start killing the social liberal straight men whom support these morons ?
I know conservative women with more guns than those creatures
#63, You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Waxing one’s chest is not about being gay & showing one’s pecks is not about being gay. Being gay simply means I prefer to date men & see men romantically. However, I am about as masculine as they come. I am always mistaken to be straight by acquaintances & strangers. Most of the other gay men I know are indeed masculine. True, many gay men fit the stereotype of being effeminate; however, this is just one type of man. Men are as diverse as the other things in this world.
You can call me a troll, but this just tells me you have no rational argument to what I brought up previously on this thread. There are plenty of gay conservative men & women, yet you probably are none the wiser about it because of your own ignorance of gay people as a whole.
#64, I’m not a liberal Democrat. I’m a conservative.
You want to see other conservative gay men & women? Go to here:
http://www.gaypatriot.net/
65. Sebastian Shaw:
“You can call me a troll, but this just tells me you have no rational argument to what I brought up previously on this thread.”
Well, out of the mouths of one of your own. The consistency of arbitrariness around here is staggering. It makes me uncomfortable, same way the Asians do.
Now and Then,
Nice butchering of the language. How do you get staggered from arbitrariness? How can arbitrariness have consistency? Please define arbitrariness. Sheesh.
67 Little Jimmie Bakker
You asked for it:
“And while we are on this subject, I would add that women getting implants and making up their faces is also ridiculous. I do agree that there may be a correlation between masculine fashion and feminine presidencies. Of course, as we all now know, correlations are not always indicative of the facts. Please refer to the never to end AGW debate.”
“And while we are on the subject . . . ” redundant and self-evident.
“I would add . . . ” . . . redundant and self-evident, including an embedded conditional premise
” . . . also ridiculous” . . . you already told us you “would add”, so you don’t need “also.”
“I do agree that there may be a correlation between masculine fashion and feminine presidencies.” . . . Drop the do. It doesn’t add to the comparison you’re trying to make. Beyond that, this sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What is that correlation?
“Of course, as we all now know, correlations are not always indicative of the facts. Please refer to the never to end AGW debate.”. . . “as well now know” . . .as opposed to a time when we all didn’t know? This is irrelevant supposition. “not always indicative” . . . a classic example of overwrought syntax in the attempt to imbue a pedestrian point of view with intellectual heft, go with “don’t always indicate” . . . “the never to end AGW debate” . . . never-to-end is a compound modifier that requires hyphens.
That’s just one of your entries. I’ll be happy to grade the others. Now, don’t you have some Jesus condos to sell? Maybe an administrative brunette to save?
Thanks Now and Then. I find that most commenters at PJM have very little evidence with which to defend their ideas, and have really little grasp of logic. Rather, they spend most of their time making dubious claims about people’s syntax and spelling; the funniest part about that is that they’re so ill-equipped for that task as well. They’d do better looking like idiots trying to defend their points with the little evidence they have access to and the weak logic they’ve learned from interacting with other idiots here, rather than looking like idiots by being grammar police.
69 mosity . . .
I was called out. I cleaned house. You’re burned by my power. So be it. (Your post has some missing/misplaced/unnecessary commas, by the way.) Class dismissed.
what really amazes about this site is that generally people here who are muslim and black haters embrace gays.. something so against our great religion Christianity!!!
Since you said you are ” As ‘masculine’ as they come ” you confirmed my suspicions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermasculinity
” Hypermasculinity is a psychological term for the exaggeration of male stereotypical behavior, such as an emphasis on strength, aggression, body hair, odor and virility. This term can be pejorative, though it is also used when examining the behavior (as adaptive or maladaptive) dispassionately.
The phenomenon can result from personal, societal, and cultural influences. Although the behavior can stem from practice and belief systems, marginalized communities of men may also display attributes of hypermasculinity to rebuff stereotyped or generalized behavior. It is also possible for oppressed groups challenged by socially constructed views of their communities to assimilate hypermasculine images and attitudes. This is especially true when part of the oppressive conditions include societal attitudes, laws, and practices that prohibit or change the tradition and norms of the marginalized group. Hypermasculinty’s diametrical opposite behavior is termed hypomasculinity.
“Hypermasculine” can also refer to a style of erotic art in which male character’s muscles and penis/testicles are portrayed as being unrealistically huge and prominent. A gay artist who exploits hypermasculine types is Tom of Finland ”
Hypermasculine men are TOO masculine and are known as emotionless toward females … they are stereotyped as being gay
lol
And you thought I was stupid
I despise hypermasculine men as much as I despise effimate men
Obviously I hope you enjoy these findings
Hypermasculine men are seen as a distortion of masculinity
Masculinity tends to be balanced
Thank goodness you told by your own words ” As masculine as they come ”
That was what made my flags wave and made me suspicious of you
I love my gaydar =)
Hypermasculinity tends to exist within the context of homosexuality because this type of masculinity ” segregates ” itself and becomes hyper or far too much
Now I know wikipedia ain’t a great source for information (who doesn’t know that?
) but here’s another thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomasculinity#Other_terms_and_identities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomasculinity#Other_terms_and_identities
” I think it’s a bit deeper than that. Many of the str8 acting gay men, act like no str8 guy I know. It’s the gay mans interpretation of what a str8 man is like. Many of the hyper masculine gay men I know are angry and mean spiritited, they detest the femme, I think this is due to their own internalized homophobia. They have so throughly repressed thier own femme side, that they almost have a sick type of reaction when they see it in others.
This also goes back to using Het based words/images to define us. We need our own word/images.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful, if the full range of human expression were valued?!
Peace and Love and much Humor,
AAPP(Sean) ”
Your arrogance and your obsession with being too masculine or ” Macho! ” puts you right in the category of hypermasculine
And hypermasculine = gay
Why did you think it was considered bad in the past for example for men to display emotions toward women ?
Because it wasn’t ” Macho! ” =)
And those guys that sometimes beated women ? Because women were ” repulsive ” and inferior and what not
It’s hilarious how you believe you broke a stereotype
Instead you fell right into it like a rabbit
I’m sure you never heard of the phrase ” Gay Patriarchy ”
I just hope that gay men leave hypermasculinity and effimacy behind and learn to love themselves with all of their being and become , perhaps , masculine in a BALANCED way
http://www.jack-donovan.com/androphilia/tag/hypermasculine/
Balanced masculinity for men whether straight or gay =)
” Too masculine ? ” YUCK!
Don’t be afraid of saying to a woman ” I love you ” … that was prohibited in segregated circles and hyper masculine gay circles in the past
Be in touch with yourself
May all men gay or straight be balanced and masculine
And to Melissa Clouthier you go girl!
Masculinity isn’t something one wears
It just IS
On the other hand please guys do NOT wear pink )=
HORRIBLE colour for men
Thankfully men and women , gay and straight , are becoming balanced
Men are disdaining effimacy and going for a balanced masculine look ( but not hyper masculine =) )
Women are going for a balanced feminine look and disdaining the psychotic gender feminist one … feminine but not hyper feminine
What is it with men’s body hair being disgusting? If a man has a muscular body he may look good without body hair. Have you seen a man even a little bit over weight or skinny with body hair (including pubic hair)? They look like overgrown babies or twinks. Now that is disgusting.