Climategate: Viscount Monckton Takes a Victory Lap
For several months, the “Monthly CO2 Reports,” compiled by me at www.scienceandpublicpolicy.org, have been pointing out that there has been no statistically significant “global warming” for 15 years. Regular attacks on my calculations and graphs have appeared on blogs by the usual suspects — Gavin Schmidt of NASA being, as usual, the most venomously ad hominem and the least scientifically plausible.
Then came Climategate. Kevin Trenberth, one of the many scientists whose activities I had been following with suspicion for some years, had privately been saying to his colleagues that there had been “no global warming for a decade” and that it was “a travesty” that they could not explain why. Publicly, of course, the Climategate conspirators had been saying that the last ten years were the warmest decade on the instrumental record — true, but not surprising given that there has been 300 years of global warming.
Now, Professor Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia has admitted publicly, and — as far as I know — for the first time, that there has been no statistically significant “global warming” for 15 years. He has also admitted that his Climatic Research Unit has lost much of the data behind the “hockey-stick” graph, via which Michael Mann and other Climategate conspirators had falsely attempted to demonstrate that the Medieval Warm Period was not warmer than the present.
Jones has admitted that he is not very good at keeping data tidily. And that, in a scientist, is a startling omission. Seekers after truth in the natural world, from Leonardo da Vinci to Isaac Newton, were famous for keeping notebooks. There they carefully recorded all of their observations. Newton, who went to the same grammar school as Margaret Thatcher (one of the few grammar schools not to have been abolished by politicians intent on destroying the last vestiges of sound education in Britain), had been taught to keep these notebooks from an early age.
Yet Phil Jones had not managed the most basic task of anyone compiling a temperature record. He had not kept, in good order, the data on which the record was based. Anyone who reads the “Harry Read-Me.txt” file — which contains 15,000 lines of commentary by a programmer about the numerous appalling defects in data handling and processing at the Climate Research Unit — cannot help but be struck by the sheer ineptitude of the whole proceeding.
In effect, the temperature record of the CRU is little better than a fabrication — much like the four assessment reports of the IPCC. Taxpayers should clamor for the abolition of the CRU and of the IPCC. Their findings are not just lies — they are expensive lies.
The “Harry_read_me” file contains a statement that the entire 1999 – 2003 data set is missing, so the writer states that he will simply fabricate the data.
This sounds like Dan Rather, no? “Fake but accurate.”
You are the kind of Briton that I read about, but only in history. The world speaks English for a reason. But as Rome was destroyed from within, Americans have sadly watched England battle against the insidious forces of socialism and political correctness intent on bleeding it to death.
Lead Britain back to greatness, Viscount. Don’t stop with ClimateGate. Let this be the first of your many battles won.
As a scientist I do not find it amusing that these ‘climate scientists’ have behaved like some group of circus clowns. I have kept my data records for thirty years.
The whole episode has been criminal. Think of all the billions of $ wasted when we could have been doing something useful with that money. We could have been funding cancer research or something useful.
It is interesting that this collapse in climate science comes at the exact time that the liberals are falling on their faces over other issues. Just as climate ‘science’ fails, the Euro is on the verge of collapse, US socialized medicine fails, budget deficits explodes, the big government Democrat party collapses, liberal foreign policy fails, etc., etc. It would be smart for the Democrats to drop this climate issue fast.
>DanW: It would be smart for the Democrats to drop this climate issue fast.
Smart? Democrats? The party that nominated Obama?
Every day more and more information comes to light that shows all the hype and alarmism was much ado about nothing. We now have this latest relevation from Dr. Phil Jones himself and still this AGW crowd will not go away. President Obama has indicated he will use executive powers to do what Cap and Trade would have done. The EPA wants to regulate Carbon Dioxide. It seems as if no matter what comes to light that the whole Man Made Global Warming thing will not die. Now they are trying to say we should do all these stupid things for energy conservation. It is the exact opposite of energy conservation to stupidly waste Billions and perhaps Trillions of dollars on this. Somebody please drive a stake through the heart of this scam once and for all.
Bravo,m’lord…well played….so now Jonesy is conceding that the MWP MIGHT have been warmer then the current period….how noble of hi, considering the fact that there are ample written records from the period recounting how wine grapes were grown in England to such an extent that French vintners went so far as to petition King Louis to impose an import tariff on English wines because Frenchmen preferred them to their own domestic vintages…next thing you know,Jonesy will be conceding that Wellington MIGHT have defeated Napoleon at Waterloo….but only because of a timely ‘Wellington thunderstorm’ the night before….Jonesy has taken twitness to a whole new level.
Isn’t fraud a crime? And if fraud is a crime, then the perpetrators of fraud are criminals.
THANK YOU. Just. THANK YOU and GOD BLESS!
W: Miss me yet? I’ve been denying AGW for eight long years, and scuttled Koyoto accord. Btw, I also accomplished “one of the greatest achievements of the Obama administration”. Care to guess what that is? Don’t thank me. I don’t mind much who takes the credits.
Thanks Lord Monckton for exposing AGW as a politically opportune and expensive FRAUD. This should be prosecuted as the environmental Nazis have cost businesses and taxpayers billions. The Super Bowl advertisement for Audi should be watched by everyone as the “Environmental Police” are gaining ground in liberal progressive Marxist government. Look at California as an economic lesson on environmentalists run amuck.
6. Patrick Of Atlantis:
“Isn’t fraud a crime? And if fraud is a crime, then the perpetrators of fraud are criminals.”
EXACTLY what I was pondering myself! Why isn’t there more outrage and handcuffery? Why aren’t there some Scientists being handed their asses in court and sent straight to the pokey, do not pass ‘GO’?!
Think of the PAIN, DEATH and BANKRUPTCY this fraud could have perpetrated our WORLD’s SOCIETY.
YES! Hang ‘em high or else this horror will happen again and perhaps even SUCCEED if we don’t nip it in the bud NOW.
CRIME is CRIME. High time we treat it as such. A genteel slap on the wrists is NOT what these m-effers have coming to them. No, we need a public airing of grievances and a clear message sent to the scientific community that doctorate-crime DOES NOT PAY. PERIOD.
Thanks Lord Monckton. Keep up he pressure !
Bravo Viscount Lord Monckton – Keep it up. Many people still do not understand the distinction between natural warming, which has been going on since the 17th century, and anthropogenic global warming. BTW Air2Air is onto someting. Your next task is to save England from descending into dhimmitude.
I love to see an honest man in the world who will speak his mind. I see the world of the easy living never lose a paycheck public and private government supported people coming to an end. This is such a silly thing to believe,amg, but knowing 95% of the people can be easily hypnotized it can be understood. I still have faith in the common sense in people to save the world from the nuts. Money drives everything and when a man gets cudos from his pals in the group he is going to do what it takes to keep the good feelings coming. There is going to be a huge displacement of jobs and businesses after this ends! God help the world.
When I took qualitative analysis chemistry I was taught to record my data and observations, despite being just a student exercise, not only in a notebook but a bound notebook. The unstated message was pretty clear to anyone disposed to reflect. I think it’s pretty clear there’s been a great lack of reflection in this whole global warming enterprise.
Ya done good Christopher. Enjoy being vindicated and keep your stick on the ice.
bravo Viscount Monckton
Thank you, Viscount Monckton. You have been indefatigable and indomitible in the face of such vicious opposition that would have caused lesser men to crumble.
My children will know your name and speak highly of you to theirs.
I agree with air2air @2. Use your victory as a springboard to rally the West. You have my e-mail address. I am at your service in the Boston area.
Now, now. Not everybody’s been a loser in this sad fraud foisted upon the entire world that make Bernie Madoff look like a brilliant Social Security or Fannie Mae executive.
Al Gore is now touted as “near to becoming the world’s first Green billionaire” from this hoax.
Ya know, a thousand million dollars is a lot of scamming. They put Bernie away for life.
I don’t wish to defend Jones, et al., but there is a growing problem in science concerning the retention of raw data. In the old days, we took data in bound notebooks, signed them every day, and got them witnessed every day. Today, we write what we did in the notebooks, but the data are actually stored in computers. What’s the difference? Thirty years ago I might measure a boiling point and record that it is 133.2 C. The sample prep would be well documented as well in my hand, in ink, in the bound notebook. Today, I’d record in the notebook that the sample was received and that it was “shot” into an automatic sample prep machine. The computer would record the prep and the boiling point. I might record the final result, the boiling point, in my bound notebook or I might rely on the computer record.
We know how to store bound notebooks and trace signatures back to real people. We are less adept at storing computer records and documenting changes in the programs that generate them. For example, how many of us can read old Apple II files any more. This Climategate snafu is the first of a parade, I fear, of errors based on the same problems.
This isn’t to excuse Jones, et al. It is a warning that it is possible to stumble into this pit even while observing standard modern precautions. And, if I read Dr. Jones correctly, he admits that he was deficient by modern standards as I understand them.
Back in the 80s in my calculus-based physics courses that were part of my mechanical engineering core curriculum, for the lab component we were *failed* unless we kept absolutely meticulous notes about our observations and work performed, as well as making all assumptions, estimates etc totally explicit.
These guys would flunk freshman physics.
Thank you for your excellent and heroic work, Lord Monckton. It’s a sad state of affairs when rationality has to fight for credibility. These people have been scamming the world for 20 years. I say we sue them into the stone age where they evidently wanted us all to go back to.
Global warming is indeed hot air.
One of the oddest parts of the AGW claim is that it makes a difference whether global warming is anthropogenic or not. If global warming exists and is a threat, then we should do something about it, otherwise not. It makes no difference whether past warming was caused by humans or not.
ic said:
“W: Miss me yet? I’ve been denying AGW for eight long years, and scuttled Koyoto accord.”
Just to set the record straight, Bush didn’t “scuttle Kyoto”; he didn’t need to. That had been accomplished by the U.S. Senate back in 1997. Even then-VP Al Gore “indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol#United_States
The hypocrisy of the alarmists is apparently bottomless.
Lord Monckton: Thank you for your tireless service in the name of honest science and vigorous public debate. If only the “scientists” in this sad tale had shared your integrity.
I cannot see a judge and jury accepting “lack of tidiness” as an excuse for fraud. It gets worse. Jones’ chinese co-author said that his girlfriend lost the data. Jones and crew must be prosecuted for fraud and the investigation must be done by the appropriate authorities. All of them should be prosecuted for conspiracy, a crime whose time limit has not expired.
Bravo! to you, Christopher, for your heroic work.
I’m 100% with DanW. I can document in notebooks, in ink, everything from my first experiment in graduate school almost 40 years ago.
19. Dr. Dave:
I don’t wish to defend Jones, et al., but there is a growing problem in science concerning the retention of raw data.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY LOST THE DATA.
they made up the data. stop being an enabler.
Hee, hee, hee, hee!!!
I am laughing my arse off here. I always knew it was a bunch of bunk!!!
19. Dr. Dave:
About retention of computer data – yes and no. As early as 1968, I expressed concern that the computer programs code dealing with data was not typically kept for more than a year, including records of changes to the format of the data, making it difficult to re-use old data.
OTOH, Mb>BOTH the “raw” data and the “information” [program-manipulated, eg, reports] were being kept for an indeterminate period. Indeed, since it was known that the computer-readable material degenerated – usually accpeted as being OK for ten years – it was practice to copy onto new media every five years.
Now, scientists – including Jones – have used computers (and thus computer-readable data) since the late 1950s, if not earlier [note also that FORTRAN has been the major computer language for the whole period, no need to hand a C++ programmer a bunch of COBOL or Autocoder to read]. Even if the human-readable data was thrown out as being too bulky/expensive to keep (yes, even copying to microfiche costs) there is no comparable excuse/reason for the raw computer-readable data disappearing.
Thank you, Mr. Monckton. Much treasure has been looted on this crusade and much more stands to be lost. The entire carbon scheme depends on gov’t regulations – not the free market decisions of consumers. Without these mandates there is no carbon market. Every carbon trader admits this.
Governments are invested (literally) in the carbon markets. See this example of CA $300M investment in AGW bonds. http://treasury.worldbank.org/cmd/htm/300millionGreenBonds.html (Note that California was making these investments at the same time it was deferring tax refunds.)
I’m retired now after 32 years of research in computer systems architecture but I still have every note I ever wrote. They take up 3 bookshelves in my library. I could no more discard them than cut off my own arm. They are the record of my life’s work. The idea that he would “lose” vast quantities of data is amazing to me.
Gotcha all beat…I’ve been recording data in ink since Quantitative Analysis (“Swift Lab” at Caltech) since September 1954. First lecture was on how to keep a correct AND LEGAL lab notebook. That continued when I went into industry: even more so since your notebook was signed and witnessed every day by a qualified colleague, then stored away in the legal department.
There are such things as patents and the correct notebook entries are crucial in establishing priority and whether or not you get the patent.
There is NO WAY an honest scientist will “loose” data: loss is prima facie evidence of fraud. Even your mistakes in calculations are NEVER erased, but a reference to the correction (also in ink in your notebook) is entered.
Can’t find the original data? You are either hopelessly stupid and careless or – more likely – guilty of criminal fraud.
Already its being widely reported as “Scientist admits there has been no global warming for 15 years.”
Of course, it isn’t true.
It isn’t what the prof said, and it isn’t what the data shows. And elswhere in the interveiw he said he was 100% certain that global warming had occured, but we’ll see how much that is reported.
What the data shows, and I’m sure Viscount Monkton would agree, is that there probably (more than 50% probability) HAS been global warming in the last 15 years, but the data is too noisy for us to be sure (traditonally set at 95% confidence). The data is also consistent with an INCREASE in the rate of global warming over the last fifteen years compared to the previous 10, and a decrease in the rate, possibly to zero.
I wonder how much of that range of possibilities will be in the media tommorow?
Dr Dave, you are incorrect. I am a systems engineer and have recovered databases, word processing documents, spreadsheet files etc that approached 18 years old. If the data is intact (no lost bits, media readable from a machine point of view) the format is insignificant. We know what a word doc looked like in ’92, wordperfect in ’86, Vicicalc well before that. We know what is data and what is structure, we can get the information out of the file.
If you think about recovery before you store it, say, convert the doc files to ASCII, databases/spreadsheets to csv, write it to optical media and store it in a climate controlled vault? You will not even need an expensive engineer to recovber it, a decept programmer can copy the file over and import the data into whatever current application you choose to use.
There is no excuse for not archiving your computer generated data. That includes metadata as the only thing worse that losing your data is retaining all your data but not knowing what in the hell it means.
btw… I have emails from the ’80s burnt to CDs… OCD? You betcha…
Meanwhile, I read online that the city of Cambridge, Mass., is counciling/meeting/congressing to inflict incredible and foolish mandates on its population and businesses in an effort to stop climate change in Cambridge.
A CITY, not even a state but a TOWN, is going to do its damndest to completely destroy the free markets and go Stalin on us, and all for an ideological lark that has now not just been proven but ADMITTED to be phony.
Did they learn NOTHING from the Teddy’s Seat election?
ONe of the things I”m learning about the left is that they go far, far FAR beyond the line of sanity for their ideology, and when they are completely exposed and shamed and embarrassed they DOUBLE DOWN on it, more loud and shrill and insane than ever…
and if they don’t get tenure, they go postal.
God help us.
A heartfelt thank you on behalf of the millions of innocent people who lives were about to be turned upside down by these scam artists. Next on the agenda is prosecution, confiscation and incarceration on an island with no fossil fuels and a pair of oxen. Heck, we could be merciful and throw in a wind turbine and a couple of solar panels so that they enjoy the lifestyle that they were so determined to force upon the rest of us.
“Professor Phil Jones … also admitted that his Climatic Research Unit has lost much of the data behind the “hockey-stick” graph”
Lost the date. Yeah, right – and the dog ate my homework.
Mr. Monckton is too nice a gentleman to say it, but I’m not: Mr. Jones, didn’t your mother ever tell you it’s not nice to LIE?
Oops. date = data
The same criminal activity can be said about the elimination of the use of DDT in fighting mosquities. How many Africans died as a result of that “bad science”?
If I may be permitted to disagree with Lord Monckton, I do not believe that Mr. Jones was too inept to understand that he had to save the data. I believe that Mr. Jones knew that the data would not show his pre-formed conclusion, and thus it was destroyed, deliberately and with malice aforethought.
If Phil Jones was an honourable man he would retire to the library with his service revolver.
Unfortunately it is not yet over. The EU is hell bent on forcing its members to toe the line. France is OK, it generates 83% of its power from nuclear plants. I see both UK political parties are bowing down to AGW still, so one can’t expect any relief from the conservative side of politics. The whole thing makes nice back door for the French & Germans to take over Britain without a whimper.
Monckton was recently here in Australia, and I’m so glad Americans are listening to him too. It is important that when global warming alarmists try to censor free speech, that we stand up to them.
Truth will prevail … It just takes a while to get it’s shoes on and laced up.
But prevail it will.
No wonder Al Gore has gone missing. I bet the $5 billion he bilked from investors in his fraud will not be impressed.
MD,
Your CDs will be unreadable in 25 years. No one will even know what one is. This is not a trivial problem. NASA has megatons of data that is currently rotting away. Studies have been performed on how this data should be archived for the future. Hell, they even erased to moon landing tapes. I know that’s an archival problem but still just organizing that data for retreval is a huge undertaking. The library at Alexandria….
Seems like the IPCC con merchants have their noses deep in the money for LIES trough too. Still think AGW is real MOONBATS. Well if you live in the USA maybe as the MSM is STILL completely ignoring the CLIMATEGATE story. At least in the UK SOME of the MSM still has integrity notably NOT the BBC though.
African crops yield another catastrophe for the IPCC
One more alarming claim in the IPCC’s 2007 report is disintegrating under closer examination, says Christopher Booker
By Christopher Booker
Published: 7:36PM GMT 13 Feb 2010
Ever more question marks have been raised in recent weeks over the reputations of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and of its chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri. But the latest example to emerge is arguably the most bizarre and scandalous of all. It centres on a very specific scare story which was included in the IPCC’s 2007 report, although it was completely at odds with the scientific evidence – including that produced by the British expert in charge of the relevant section of the report. Even more tellingly, however, this particular claim has repeatedly been championed by Dr Pachauri himself.
Only last week Dr Pachauri was specifically denying that the appearance of this claim in two IPCC reports, including one of which he was the editor, was an error. Yet it has now come to light that the IPCC, ignoring the evidence of its own experts, deliberately published the claim for propaganda purposes.
One of the most widely quoted and most alarmist passages in the main 2007 report was a warning that, by 2020, global warming could reduce crop yields in some countries in Africa by 50 per cent. Dr Pachauri not only allowed this claim to be included in the short Synthesis Report, of which he was co-editor, but has publicly repeated it many times since.
The origin of this claim was a report written for a Canadian advocacy group by Ali Agoumi, a Moroccan academic who draws part of his current income from advising on how to make applications for “carbon credits”. As his primary sources he cited reports for three North African governments. But none of these remotely supported what he wrote. The nearest any got to providing evidence for his claim was one for the Moroccan government, which said that in serious drought years, cereal yields might be reduced by 50 per cent. The report for the Algerian government, on the other hand, predicted that, on current projections, “agricultural production will more than double by 2020″. Yet it was Agoumi’s claim that climate change could cut yields by 50 per cent that was headlined in the IPCC’s Working Group II report in 2007.
What made this even odder, however, was that the group’s
co-chairman was a British agricultural expert, Dr Martin Parry, whose consultancy group, Martin Parry Associates, had been paid £75,000 by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) for two reports which had come to totally different conclusions. Specifically designed to inform the IPCC’s 2007 report, these predicted that by 2020 any changes were likely to be insignificant. The worst case they could come up with was that by 2080 climate change might decrease crop yields by “up to 30 per cent”.
British taxpayers poured out money for the section of the IPCC report for which Dr Parry was responsible. Defra paid £2.5 million through the Met Office, plus £330,000 for Dr Parry’s salary as co-chairman, and a further £75,000 to his consultancy for two more reports on the impact of global warming on world food supplies. Yet when it came to the impact on Africa, all this peer-reviewed work – including further expert reports by Britain’s Dr Mike Hulme and Dutch and German teams – was ignored in favour of a prediction from one Moroccan activist at odds with his own cited sources.
However, the story then got worse when Dr Pachauri himself came to edit and co-author the IPCC’s Synthesis Report (for which the IPCC paid his Delhi-based Teri institute, out of the £400,000 allocated for its production). Not only did Pachauri’s version again give prominence to Agoumi’s 50 per cent figure, but he himself has repeated the claim on numerous occasions since, in articles, interviews and speeches –such as the one he gave to a climate summit in Potsdam last September, where he boasted he was speaking “in the voice of the world’s scientific community”.
Only last week, in an interview available on YouTube, Dr Pachauri was asked about errors in the IPCC’s 2007 report and his own Synthesis Report, with specific reference to the loss of North African crops. His reply was that – aside from the prediction that the IPCC has now had to disown, that Himalayan glaciers could vanish by 2035 – the reports contained “no errors”. Passages such as those on African crops were “not errors and we are absolutely certain that what we have said over that can be substantiated”.
In the wake of all the other recent scandals, “Africa-gate” may be the most damaging of all, because of the involvement of Dr Pachauri himself. Not only is the reputation of the IPCC in tatters, but that of its chairman appears irreperably damaged. Yet the world’s politicians cannot afford to see him resign because, if he goes, the whole sham edifice they have sworn by would come tumbling down.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7231386/African-crops-yield-another-catastrophe-for-the-IPCC.html
Good work sir. We’re fortunate you’re in the ring standing up to these bullies (and those that either know better and are crooks, or those who don’t that are seeking a religion to fill their empty lives – and live to seduce others).
Isn’t it striking how the elites demand billion-dollar double-blind testing regimes for new drugs, yet accept with little argument the (clearly conflicted by an avarice for financial support well beyond tenure and salary – which is supposed to be enough to insure impartiality) claims of 2nd and 3rd rate schools’ academics. Shades of Laetrile. “Well, it didn’t do any harm to take it and I felt better.” (Granted, I’ve no use for the guilds and regulator that preserve same in the drug and medical business on the long dubious arguments that they save more lives than they cost. Sooner we return to a free market in health care, the sooner the least of us will live longer and healthier – and those without common sense will make an earlier exit).
We need to erect a statue to Michael Crichton who spent his last years (when he should have been in a sickbed) raising this criticism of politics corrupting science, especially with regard to the environment and AGW. A (still) unsung hero and one of the smartest (educated ) people I have ever met.
We’ve too many researchers playing with models and not doing the basic field work. For years Freeman Dyson has been telling everyone he touches that we need to spend 10x-100x on field research and laboratory experiments than we do on computing – which he regards as pretty close to self-abuse when used for more than record keeping and publishing.. which as we can see from the current fiasco, these scientists were incapable of – no laboratory discipline, no record keeping, no publishing of sufficient data or pointers to who had the data and algorithms sufficient to replicate their model’s results. Not even scanned logbooks that would have said “purchased xyz dataset from Lower Slobovia for $3,000, filename abc with a checksum of 123” – sufficient to allow others to repeat their work if the original data came with constraints – constraints that appear to have been used as an excuse not to share data and algorithms that were used as a rational for changes far beyond the impact of any drug on our civilization.
And there’s no better indicator of this then when your strongest reviewers are the statisticians – who need know little about a research area to see when an “experiment” has blasted the barn door with a shotgun, and then the experimenter went and drew the circle for measurement (v. inverting the order). Note that Dr. Dyson observes that we (the U.S.) may well be absorbing more CO2 than we emit, and scrubbing even more out of the air as it passes across the continent west-to-east – but no one has done the work to verify (since we’ve been returning so much land to nature as we’ve become a richer nation, with farming much more concentrated on only the most productive land (a benefit of the much maligned agribusiness displacing the family & yeoman farmer), and much more so relative to all other countries.
A pity. This is an embarrassment to and an indictment of scientists everywhere (where real practitioners of the scientific method cherish the process more than the result – where there is no such thing as a “right” answer, and a “no” is as good as a “yes” for an experiment as long as it is well documented and repeatable). This shameful episode is certain to discredit them and their discipline in the eyes of the public for a few generations. The stain of corruption (the human condition) takes thousands great reputations to recover from the failings of a few.
Pink Pig: writes
“One of the oddest parts of the AGW claim is that it makes a difference whether global warming is anthropogenic or not. If global warming exists and is a threat, then we should do something about it, otherwise not. It makes no difference whether past warming was caused by humans or not.”
So what do you think we can do Pinky become GOD. Man has not caused Global Warming man cannot cause Global Warming so man cannot STOP Global Warming man can therefore not cause Global Cooling. Please try to use some logic. BTW more CO2 more plants , more plants more food, more food better for man and animals . So Green NAZI’s are ANTI LIFE.
Thank you, your Lordship, for the valuable service you have provided in exposing the greatest scientific fraud since Piltdown man!
May there always be an England.
I thought in the POTUS’ state of the union address that the One said “the science on global warming was settled.” Maybe he misread the teleprompter and meant to say “the science of global warming was being peddled?”
Take that back or I’ll stuff Sinclair’s .ppt crayons down your gullet!
Isn’t refusal to comply with FOI requests a crime? And if refusal (and destruction) is a crime, then the perpetrators of it are criminals.
A great line from the movie Independence Day, “Payback’s a bitch, ain’t it?”
The Climategate release was a turning point, but the burst of re-examination of the science that has been occurring since the New Year has been the “Independence Day” for the planet.
The alarmists are screaming louder than ever now, as they are afraid that they are not being listened to. “Me thinks thou dost protest too much,” then comes to mind.
To have such a wonderfully articulate and cultured representative as our Viscount standing up for honest science and plain old common sense at such a critical time is a great thing.
Well done sir! Carry on.
On behalf of all fair dinkum and fair minded Australians, I would like to thank you
Lord Monckton for your words of common sense.
You came, you saw, you spoke and you started the bushfire
which will rage out of control until the BIGTOE (Rudds ETS- Big Tax On Everything)
is stuffed where it hurts most- not there- in the ballot box later this year.
Heartfelt gratitude to you, Lord Monckton, for bravely standing up for truth, honor, integrity and common decency for our countrymen and yours and for all citizens who still cherish and treasure such trifling things as these.
As you can see, there are still fellows around like Roy @ #33, who will report with “fidelity” that global warming has existed over the past number of years. Below is the direct quote, regarding the past several…and it has been buried, apparently intentionally…by those who sought a narrative, not a scientific conclusion.
We live in an age, Lord Monckton, where “false but accurate” is all the great unwashed deserve, you see. Where parsing of words and lawyering up plain conversation…depending upon what the meaning of “is” is…and all, that we undeserving of better, should simply accept our moldy crusts and bugger off. Our betters have more important things to do, than to bother to tell us the truth. Their deceit is for our own good, don’t you know.
We thank you anyway, however. Being fond of simple truth, we favor over complex deceit…we simply don’t know any better. We like our heroes to be men of honor. Silly twits that we are. Hope you don’t mind your fans being from this rejected class, we applaud you from steerage rather than the banquet halls.
– Do you agree that from January 2002 to the present there has been statistically significant global cooling?
No. This period is even shorter than 1995-2009. The trend this time is negative (-0.12C per decade), but this trend is not statistically significant.
Thanks for your Melourne Lecture at the Sofital which I and another 999 sceptics attended. This weekend in one national newspaper, ‘The Australian,’ in a five column article, a journalist announced the end of the global warming science paradigm.
Six months ago, a sceptic was lucky to get a letter to the editor printed in the ‘main stream’ media!
Ooops, I meant ‘Melbourne’not Melourne!
Jolly good show, chap. The truth has a way of making herself known. Good show, indeed.
Here,here for Lord Moncton! Bravo sir. Now if you can talk to that dolt who is to be the next King of England.
A standing ovation to you Lord Monckton for your courageous stand against the PC police. The interview you did with the woman at the Copehagen conference was outstanding. While charming and attractive, it was obvious she had no clue, but that she was merely a sheep being herded into the PC ideology of the moment so that the information controllers can try to gain more power. OwlGore needs to go back to his $10K-per-month-utility-bill mansion, hibernate permanently and leave the rest of us alone. Meanwhile, keep your hands off my fossil-fueled vehicle, and stop trying to interfere with the freedom of Americans to live the way they want. All you environmentalist kooks go somewhere else to recycle your PC garbage.
Let’s see what the spin will be. The liars, conmen and fraudsters do not give up that easily.
Since it appears certain now that there has been no significant global warming, and CO2 is irrelevant, then Al Gore, Phil Jones, and all the overwhelming concensus of “scientists” involved in this massive scam should be sentenced by to hard labor in one cell with no windows, where they can breathe their own CO2 to their hearts content. Put a few cows in the cell for company. Make them return all the money they received for perpetrating this scam (no tax breaks)*.
The hard labor is to consist of writing “Science is never settled” 5,000 times per day for life with a hard lead pencil on rice paper (trees needn’t die for them).
If the person who leaked the CRU-Hadley documents is ever revealed, he should be given a huge reward, free security guards for life, the Congressional Medal and the Medal of Freedom by Obama, who can then say that he was always “agnostic” about MMGW, but needs a new life and is resigning because olf ill health from the stress of telling too many lies. Now that would be justice.
*Feb 9, 2010 – Bill Action
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3006
Introduced: S. 3006: A bill to amend the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow multiemployer plans to amortize losses from certain fraudulent investment…
Sen. Charles Schumer [D-NY] introduced S. 3006: A bill to amend the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow multiemployer plans to amortize losses from certain fraudulent investment schemes over a 40-year period.
The CRU and the IPCC tried to pull off the biggest heist in all history. Ultimately they proved to be a disorganized network, but a criminal network nonetheless. Every penny they made from selling their fairytales as books, documentaries and movies could well bring shelter and warmth to millions who desperately need it.
These same ‘scientists’/fraudsters must be shamed for aeons, if we’re ever to leave an ethically robust and scientific legacy for generations to come.
Slight diversion in answer to a previous poster.
Lord Monckton, one of that breed of free thinking English Lords whom the ruling Labour party would just love to crush also has another Lord to accompany him on his road to the freedom of truth.
He is Lord Pearson, the man who invited Geert Wilders to our House of Lords only to have his invite trashed at the will of another member of the august House.
This was Lord Ahmed, a chip shop owner who made good. How, no one asks. A Muslim who made waves after promising that a horde of 10,000 irate fellow Muslims would descend on London to disrupt our capital. He got his repressive way and Wilders was halted at Heathrow. So much for democracy!
Some information here. Ahmed is a convicted killer who plowed into a broken down car on our M1 Motorway whilst using his mobile phone. He served around four weeks of his sentence before our ‘enlightened’ judiciary decided that this was sufficient punishment.
Meanwhile Pearson now has been crowned head of UKIP (UK Independence Party) which is growing like Topsy. Their basic manifesto is, out of the clutches of the EU where much of the ‘Human Rights’ legislation sources from.
Basically Britain is a veritable Augean Stable. Infiltrated by Marxists and Islamists who would love nothing better than our complete destruction we are literally fighting for our existence.
It’s the same across Europe but the fightback has begun.
From the debacle of the tax grab which was Copenhagen where the EU wasn’t even in the final deciding cadre to the banning of burka’s in France we are witnessing a kind of Springtime resurgence.
Basically we’ve had enough!
A bit like your Tea Party’s groups are springing up. People are fighting the totalitarian monster of Islamo Marxism and Wilders party is second favourite polled grioup in the Netherlands.
It may not be pretty. There may be violence but that will be an Islamist choice. Our only demand is we want our countries and continent back.
Good work, Sir.
Pawn @ 45:
Being more than 25 years old, I remember what computers were using in 1985. They were called floppy disks, and in 1985 most people were using either the 3-1/2 inch or the 5-1/4 inch size. The 8 inch disks were still known but hardly used.
I still know what they are, and so do most experienced computer people.
QED.
I find it a rather incredulous statement that Jones says he ‘lost’ data.
Doesn’t he have a secretary –or three– helping out with collecting, organizing, indexing, collating and filing information in a logical fashion?
How ~hard~ could it be?
And if they are using computers –and I will think that they are– then backup copies would well have been made right along with a cross-reference index.
Any organisation worth its merits would have scanned paper copies to store them electronically for both posterity and for the purposes of easily transmitting those via data transmission or by tangible media.
The paper files would have then been neatly filed by source and date for future reference.
I refuse to believe that such crass negligence as implied could possibly be the truth of the matter.
More it is that he –Jones– has been caught out in a blatant deception, and in order to save face has constructed a simple and expedient deceit. I am wont to say that mendacity is all the more the fact of the matter.
Thank you, Lord Monckton! The British aristocracy is showing up the “intellectual” class of both the U.S. and the EU.
Ari Tai,
Very, very well said. The Warmers reason “a priori” only and have no interest in experiment whatsoever. They are anti-scientific.
Lord Monckton is magnificent! I got a chuckle out of his statement that Newton went to the same grammar school as Margaret Thatcher. I thought it would have been the other way around!
Never have so many owed so much . . .. We owe you alot.
We can call this “A Convenient Loss”, because the excuse of the loss of Jones’s raw data conveniently hides the scam that these AGW proponents have been intentionally perpetrating against us.
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45. Pawn:
MD,
Your CDs will be unreadable in 25 years. No one will even know what one is. This is not a trivial problem. NASA has megatons of data that is currently rotting away. Studies have been performed on how this data should be archived for the future. Hell, they even erased to moon landing tapes. I know that’s an archival problem but still just organizing that data for retreval is a huge undertaking. The library at Alexandria….
Feb 14, 2010 – 7:19 pm
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I beg to differ about the CD issue and data loss. As for a fact, a friend of mine bought some CDs back when they first arrived on the scene, and they play as well as when he first bought them. If there has been any degradation of quality, his sound system sure doesn’t reveal it!
#67 Highlander…
The hocky-stick data is true… it’s just that Al Gore’s dog ate the data!
Dear IRS,
I was untidy with my 2009 earnings data and business expenses. Therefore, I will not be paying taxes this year. That’s okay, right? It’s okay for CRU, NASA, and the rest of the Global Warming crowd.
Well done, Lord Monckton. Well done indeed. It takes extraordinary courage to stay strong in the face of such evil. You,sir, deserve the Nobel Prize. Or better still, Al Gore should be made to surrender his to you.
One thing to remember about lab books is that the technique of intellectual property has changed in the United States. In the old days a patent was granted based upon “first to invent” rather than “first to file” (as in the EU).
What this led to was a system whereby each day a the lab book was signed (by a third party) and dated per page of lab book. In some cases each page was notarized.
We have gone to “first to file” and the system in corporate research has (or is) breaking down.
This does not mean that good lab books only depend upon I.P. but, along with “laboratory data acquisition systems” and the really poor state of electronic notebook technology, the old hard copy lab book is no longer as complete as it once was.
Hear, hear, Air2air (#2). Perhaps there was a time when Britain needed more egalitarianism, but now it has too much, and much of it is but a disguise for a new kind of oligarchy, a particular West-European-style dictatorship of the proletariat. Britain may need to return the landed aristocracy, as long as the peers care more about their own country than about trendy multiculturalism and are willing to turn that caring into “stiff upper lip” action. At any rate, a peerage rooted in a love of the land and the traditions of common law could not conceivably be worse than the leftist bureaucratic “elite” running the country now.
Congratulations, and thanks for the good fight !
And don’t worry, the nihilists / subversives will come up with something else.
Having studied history at the graduate level, trained to be an archivist, and now working in the private sector at an FDA-regulated company (specifically in the data function for a clinical trial), I know that the good Dr. Jones would be laughed out of an audit, if not arrested before that, for having “untidy” or missing data. So weak an excuse, it’s pathetic.
6. Patrick Of Atlantis says: “Isn’t fraud a crime? And if fraud is a crime, then the perpetrators of fraud are criminals.”
The biggest perpetrators of this crime have been collectivist western governments that tried to use this concocted apocalyptic impending disaster as their vehicle to wrest away even more of our freedoms and moneys. You expect them now to suddenly turn on their own? What we will likely get is another impending and apocalyptic crisis that will require the same set of collectivist solutions that the AGW crowd wanted a few years down the road. Understand the end goal, and you should be able to see through all the false science and crap that we are being manipulated by our own “elite upper class”. You know, those politicians that look down upon us stupid folk that don’t know as well as they do what is best for all of us.
Regarding the CRU throwing away hard data due to ‘not having the space in their new building’ is preposterous.
Having worked in the military, contract, Government and now private sector, each and every environment REQUIRED saving our data. Everything. Edited and unedited data. Alphanumeric, graphic and satellite data as well as the infinite-like associated paperwork. Always in a 24/7 office.
For hard data as significant as this to be ‘tossed’ IMO is protocol for these hacks to be charged.. easy.
Lastly, the person(s) involved in revealing these email to the masses and events unfolding.. are rock stars. The person(s) involved with Climategate make Mark Felt ‘Deep Throat’ pale in comparison..
#73 Highlander: (I think I am agreeing with you)
NASA = US Government Funded = 1 Billion Dollars to conserve archive data . . . just check you local US Government convenience contractors service organization.
See the difference . . . Government again, and again, and again . . . can never do the job of private industry . . . remember a few years ago the fiasco that ensued when the big movie production companies, Disney as example, tried to create a “limited life” movie dvd . . .where after three viewings the dvd auto disabled . . . why did it not work? . . . the consumer would not buy it.
So if NASA wants a program to recover data and it costs 1 billion dollars . . . NASA will get it . . . NASA is government.
Will Al Gore now admit he is wrong and even return his Nobel Prize as well as the money given with that award?
I saw some interesting but highly speculative statistics on how much in carbon emissions each human being in the developed nations will be responsible for in their lifetime. It is a stupendous figure. So manbe the answer to AGW is not carbon trading but condoms.
What will it take to nail Al Gore’s hide to the wall? Would a class action suit against him and his cohorts do it–or would they just claim the suers victims of their own stupidity?
Pawn @ 45:
Your CDs will be unreadable in 25 years. No one will even know what one is.
Really? I have some CASSETTE TAPES that still work just fine in a cassette player, and they are from the 70′s.
Even more, I know several audiophiles that still prefer vinyl records and a turntable to digitized CD’s. Hell, there’s still a lot of vinyl records around from THE 1930′s.
After all this time. After all of those vicious attacks on character. After listening to media types promote the scam, finally, one of the promoters of AGW has come clean. He parsed his words & he qualified what he was saying, but, in the end, his is an admission they have been exaggerating & outright lying about this. Maurice Strong, the UN big wig, once promoted Global Warming as the means to establish a one world government. Many called that assertion paranoid. Yet in Copenhagen, the UN asked for funds to create a global governance system. (Thats one world government in layman’s terms).
Lord Monckton… you are vindicated. In fact, based on the latest round of revelations regarding the fake predictions & facts w/in the UN IPCC reports, you are a world hero. You stood fast on logic & fact. You told any who would listen, this is a scam.
Today, you are recognized by those of us who revere honesty & integrity, as “‘the’ man!”
(Its not gloating when its fact!)
We need more of these informational emails circulated in order to suppress the US. News Media support of certain Politicians’
Phamptom Global waring claims.
Thank you Lord Monckton, Sir!! Where are the trolls- the David/poor citizen/skeezix etc. s###birds ? Hiding under a rock ,no doubt. How their world has been crashing down since the New Year. . Wonder if we will start hearing of mass suicides by the miserable Left? Hope so. . . .
A well deserved martini should be in order sir. Great job fighting the inquisitors, but they still persist. There is too much at stake to have the facts get in the way.
Dear Sir,
You should be ashamed of yourself for propagating an alarmist theory which has no base in reality whatsoever.
Because of irresponsible people like you, some children don`t want to do their home work or even go to school, because “what is the point, we are all going to die soon from global warming”!
Millions of children allover the world from kindergarden to highschools and universities have been brain washed by your shameless propaganda,to the point that they feel their very lives are putting the planet in danger.
But people have already waken up and see this whole thing for what it is, meaning a total fraud, an international effort of power and money grabbing based on the marxist concept of “wealth redistribution”.
On April 28 1975 Time magazine had on its front cover the title GLOBAL COOLING!!, with an article, signed by climate scientists, concluding that the Earth is cooling to the point it will all be covered in ice and all living creatures will die of freezing.
After a few years, when it obviously turned out that such a theory was nonsense, the so called climate scientists, in their quest for government grants, have invented a new fantasy, that of global warming……the world is warming due to us, human beings and we are all going to die unless we give up all of our liberties to one big world government which is going to regulate every single aspect of our lives, how many times to flush our toilets, what kind of cars to drive, where, for what reason and how far, how many children to have , what kind of food to eat, etc.
In 1992 Al Gore said that “the time for a debate is over, the science is settled”…..
This obviously is a lie for the time for a debate is never over and the science is far from being settled.
Science my dear sir, does not work as a democracy , meaning that in science, the majority does not rule as it does in a democracy.
If 1000 scientists have a debate and 999 of them agree on the subject, but only one of them disagree, it may very well turn out , as it has so many times in history, that the lone scientist is the only one that is right.
I could give you many examples, such as that of Charles Darwin.
When he first presented his theory of the evolution of species, all the scientists laughed at him and ridiculed him…in the end he was right and they were wrong.
When Galileo said the Earth is spinning, the rest of the scientists accused him of heresy…but it turned out he was right and they were all wrong.
After 15 years of advancing a false theory based on fraudulent data, the “scientists” noticed that the planet is not warming, but is actually cooling, so they changed the name of their theory yet again from global warming to “Climate Change”, just in case, to have all possibilities covered.
Soon, my dear sir the whole thing will be unequivocally exposed for a premeditated fraud.
People like yourself will then be held responsible for the enormous psychological, social and financial damage that your actions have caused.
Just like when a doctor who gives out the wrong diagnosis and causes harm to the patient as a result, just like in such a case the doctor has the license suspended and has to pay damages or even go to prison, people like you will soon face the consequences of the lies you have imposed on the world for so many years.
There must be parents out there whose children have suffered mental trauma because of this great scam.
All these parents should get together and get a pit bull of a lawyer to file a class action law suit in a civil court and take the global warming crooks to the cleaners.
I have sent the above letter to Mr.Al Gore two weeks ago.
No answer yet….
I still say that the only way to go against the global warming crooks is a class action law suit in a civil court.
People are more afraid of lawsuits than they are of terrorism,heart attacks or cancer,combined !
The most vulnerable to the man made global warming lies were the children.
I personally know quite a lot of parents,who are horrified by what their young children are thinking after having been indoctrinated in schools by their marxist teachers who forced them to watch Al Gore`s “documentary”, children who were traumatized by the marxist liers in the media, in the scientific and political community.
Some of these children have chronic depression and are contemplating suicide, they feel like they are a burden for the planet and contributing to global warming just by breathing and being alive.
Ofcourse you can not sue all of them, but the focus should be on just one or two of them, the big fish like Al Gore.
The rest of them would jump ship like rats and will come clean.
If you are a parent whose child has been traumatized psychologicaly by the lies of global warming, get together with a few others just like you, hire a lawyer and file a class action law suit in a civil court, against Al Gore.
Ask for a ridiculous amount of money as for the damage he inflicted upon our children…ask for ONE BILLION DOLLARS !!
And if/when this happens, it will trigger a chain reaction against the global warming crooks that will be unstoppable and irreversible.
I repeat, this is the only way to finish them, once and for all.
The idea of a class action law suit against Al Gore and co. is brilliant.
Not only because it would attract o lot of publicity around the world, but because of the DISCOVERY PROCESS.
During the discovery process,the world could hear the testimonies of true scientists so that the man made global warming lie could be exposed for the whole world to see.
This could really put an end not only to the global warming premeditated fraud ,but it would serve as a warning against future attempts by the elitists to concoct a new imaginary crisis.
This could be the law suit that a high profile lawyer has been dreaming the whole life.
How many homeless people have frozen to death due to global warming??
Are there any sleazy jack legged St Louis lawyers out there that would accept a class action lawsuit against these criminal scientists? It would make you million$, and the publicity would be stupendous. Think about it guys… The only thing better would be for a 601 committee to get a hold of these so called scientists.
Terrorists are being brought to justice in a civil court these days…
Al Gore in many people`s opinion has been inflicting psychological terrorism upon a whole generation of children all over the world for the last 15 years.
He should be brought to justice as the perpetrator of the biggest scam in the history of this planet.
The social,financial and psychological damages that he caused are beyond comprehension.
No criminal organization in history has come even close to having such an impact on so many people, for such a long time, and make so much money in the process.
He should not be permitted to get away with it.
I am amazed that Phil Jones interview should be so misquoted, I applaud Chris Monckton’s use of ‘Statistically Significant’ as originally stated (this has fallen to the wayside in many quotes), and deplore his manipulation of the true meaning of the question and the answer. I won’t look up the question for you on the BBC; but Chris has made it all up as he goes along, as usual.
Thank you for your major part in exposing these sham fraudsters in Scientist’s Coats.
These pseudo-scientists sold themselves out, sold out – no whored themselves out for a political agenda.
They have shamed themselves, defrauded the world and are no better than the terrorists with bombs in their shoes.
Well done Mr Monckton, your “Victory Lap” is symbolic of the Victory Lap of Fraud Free True Science and Humanity’s Rationalism.
Thank you, Lord Monckton. We are indebted to you for your courage and perseverance.
Yet the spin continues…I took a few moments to explain to my 2 teens about Jones’ lies and ineptitude, as well as the scam that has been perpetrated on us for more than a decade.
I am proud of these kids, by the way – honor students both – but when they arrived home from school, their dazed, liberal moonbat teachers had already re-fired the propaganda machine and attempted to debrief my kids on these latest facts and revelations.
Even in the face of truth and integrity, these fools will continue to pollute children’s minds. It’s nauseatingly sad.
Damn.
Where are the AGW defenders to knock us back down into the abyss ???
Don’t see too many around here anymore (although they still permeate and propagandize through the halls of Academia and Alphabet state-controlled media)…
Gets harder to argue the indefensible.
Anyone with a shred of common sense already knew for some time that the whole global warming issue was always about huge tax increases on the people, pretty much on a global basis. This is the reason for its having UN (and pretty much universal by country) backing. It has always been about money, with undeveloped and developing countries standing to profit (somewhat) at the expense of Western developed countries, with the UN of course raking its share off the top.
I became suspicious of this whole global warming business when the “solution” touted by nearly every government was the so-called “carbon tax.” As if the people of the world aren’t taxed enough already.
Its always been about money, and the old adage of “follow the money” is as much true here as ever.
Dear Lord Moncton,
Thank you for the service to truth that you have done. We all know the earth has cooled and heated for millennia. I believed in AGW until I began doing independent research on the subject. When I found that it had been politicized, I instantly knew it was no longer science. I have spent hundreds of hours dissecting the facts and come to one conclusion: The media, the politicians, the financial markets colluded to create a fraud on the global population in an effort to control their access to energy, food and liberty itself. There has never been a fraud of such enormity in world history.
Lead on, good sir and may timeless truth and His Word prevail in all things. Perhaps you can lead a revival in Great Britain and rally them to their great history, culture and end this multicultural dribble once and for all.
God Speed.
if this scientists’ recording keeping habits are this poor, i’d be curious to know how many times his childhood dog ate his homework?
Liberal death, destruction, and economic mayhem.
Banned DDT over junk science an estimated 60 million aficans have died from malaria as a result.
Banned the building if every new nuclear plant input nation for the past 40 years so we were forced to build coal fired plants for power, now they want to ban and shut them down to build nuclear plants in their stead!
Democrats just blocked our drilling for a TRILLION barrels of shale oil in the Dakotas and they said it was because of global warming! Trillions in potential revenue and energy independence and this party of idiots blocked it along a straight party line vote!
Barack Obama issued an executive order blocking drilling off our shores Russia just signed a deal with Cuba to suck 20 billion in sweet crude right out from under our feet!
Bill Clinton vetoed ANWR saying it wouldn’t do any good anyway for ten years we couldve been pumping a million barrels a day fir the past six years if he hadn’t blocked Republicans tryin to utilize our natural resources!
How long are you idiots in this country going to continue to punish our nation and our economic futures by keeping this party of morons in power?
Where’s that idiot snake oil salesman sheister con artist Al Fore hiding he should be put in stocks and whipped for all the harm he’s caused the planet scaring little kids into nightmares over drowning polar bears.
Anyone that votes for this flat earther commie party should hamg their head in shame. They’re spending us into oblivion and if they’d passed thei cap and trade Obama can’t wait to sign the unemployment rate would be 25% not ten!
Global warming rubbish junk science again used solely to fund their Marxist socialist agenda, to spread the wealth around like the Marxist in Chief Barack Obama likes to say!
And the useful idiots, the mindless drones, will continue to line up for these scum sucking politicians at the polls! Politicians that are taxing and spending the entire planet into oblivion for nothing other than satiating their own personal quests for more POWER.
Glad to see viscount Munktons position on the fraud perpetuated by the communists in the UN and the so-called “scientific” community get vindicated. Next on the agenda should be criminal charges against the likes of GEORGE SOROS, MAURICE STRONG, THE INDIAN PUNK(I forget his name, starts with a P)and most of all ALWHORE. Funny , but it seems like we have to send a marine force recon team out to find ALWHORE these days. Must be hiding in the same cave as his butt buddy BIN LADEN, since they both agree on the fraud of “global warming”(guess someone forgot to tell OBL his pals now call it “climate change”). And last but not least-this should drive a stake into the UNITED NATIONS-nothing but a fraud that wants a world COMMUNIST government and will do ANYTHING to achieve it. No wonder both Bubba Clinton and Obamascum seem to want to be Sec/gen of the UN.
Oh by the way-this baloney about Jones”losing” data. Its called a criminal coverup. Its nothing more than trashing data that could be used in your CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. Jones. Yours, Manns, Gores and all the rest of the fraud crowd. As Ive read before, Bernie Madoff got life for a few billion. You and your cowhores like Mann and Alwhore got into the hundreds of billions. Guess that means one thing. Since you all defend Islam so much, we shall try you under SHARIA LAW. WITH THE APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENTS. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
continue the fight against MARXISM(obama)
Thankyou Lord Monckton for your deligent work ~
M’Lord, you are my hero!
Lord Monckton,
I just want to thank you with all my heart for your persistence in this climate scandal. Truth means everything to me. You are a hero for your fight in the pursuit of truth, no matter how hard the mainstream media (especially in the US), the paid-off scientists, the global government types, the environmental activists and the group-thinkers have fought you.
Thank you for giving me hope for my daughter’s future.
Thank you, Lord Monckton, for making me look so smart in my wife’s eyes.
She was very disappointed with me when I first told her I didn’t believe in man-caused global warming.
Besides, even if it did warm up a little, wouldn’t that be good for plants [food]?
Hey, you guys in England, take care of your business over there. Don’t worry about the U.S.A. we are going to vote all these communists out of office and take back our nation again. See you at the finish line. Also could you take Michael Savage off your watch list, You lent us Lord Monckton, time for us to repay the favor and Unleash the Savage Nation over there. He’ll send those Pinkos running for cover.
Bravo Zulu!
It’s interesting to me that whenever “scientists” talk about man made climate change, they are always talking about the common man having a barbeque in his yard, an SUV in his driveway and keeping his house warm or cool. That is, the so called UHI’s.
Why don’t we put all the cards on the table and talk about man made climate change in terms of HAARP, or chemtrails, or depleted uranium, or constant war, or the US navy’s plan to have sonar that can he heard for long distances, or countless government programs that do nothing but waste resources and polute the environment? Sadly, we all know scientists are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. You can’t tax any of these activities – and that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it, to tax and control the common man?
Thanks for what you have done, Lord Monckton. You are a true hero to me.
Usually I see business in everything. Politicians, scientist, newspaper editors … etc are not idiots. They do business.
If an African politician pays me to find out that the Earth’s climate is warming – and even wants me to go to the extreme and say that there is a climate change – oh man… I will find either one out, too. Maybe both! Who cares? Sooner or later everybody will realize the swindle and everybody will laugh at the “mistake”.
Meanwhile those nice African politicians will rake in few billions of dollars and euros from the European and North American taxpayers, because these above mentioned taxpayers are evil, they caused the warming (climate change).
And little things like it’s been some 25 years that all heavy industry moved to India and China doesn’t really matter.
Lately, I have a new interest in the TV show ‘Monty Python’s Flying Circus’. I think those writers knew something a long time before East Anglia hit the news concerning the global warming fiasco. Several times they refer to East Anglia in their skits. Especially those concerning such subjects as training village idiots. Priceless!
Dear VisCount Monckton,
Your intrepid stance on the issue of “global warming” has won my unqualified respect. This is not the only topic that the self-annointed elite have lied to us about. It is time for a thorough housecleaning of the worthless over-indulged blowhards who have worked so long and hard to destroy this planet and then blame it on the very people that they stripped any power or truth from. May I suggest something? Suggest to them that they tell us the truth about EVERYTHING and they will find just how sensible that the average person is.
I don’t know who called the average person, the great unwashed, but frankly, I have not observed that a lack of hygiene is something peculiar to those without money. I have met some fairly well-to-do types who reeked themselves. It is high time for people to begin evaluating those around them on important things like character, honesty, integrity, work ethic and other attributes rather than their cologne, costly shoes and ludicrously expensive wardrobes.
MK
The “scientist” whom Monckton recently debated was reported to look “baffled” by a request for evidence. Of course, why would a liberal expect to be asked for evidence? He has his “good” intentions, which, of course, pave the road to that place where its always global warming.
My my, this is remarkably telling. I have just come here from another Monckton article on this very site, having read the entire comments thread there too. That particular article addressed John Abraham’s refutation of one of Monckton’s speeches, and the comments section was almost totally in favour of Abraham, with almost every single thread chock-full of ad hominem attacks upon Monckton’s character, reputation and ethics. Here, however, the comments section appears to be completely full of SUPPORTERS, with only ONE comment that speaks negatively of the man.
What the hell is that all about?? I guess it’s easy for the conspiracy theorists to sit down and shut up when the very foundation of their argument is exposed for the despicable crime against Humanity that it is, yet at the same time they crawl out of the woodwork to leap to the defense of someone that uses that same foundation to launch their attack against the truth that Monckton speaks! Such shameless hypocrisy stuns me!
Of course, should the “warmers” have had truth on their side, they would be posting all over this site like a rash no matter who said what, wouldn’t they???
QED, as they say