General statement: You know, if there wasn’t an agenda that existed – that was, in fact, the very reason FOR the UNEP and the IPCC – the “real science” way for the data to be published is to present both the raw data AND the adjusted data, so that everyone could see what the study started with and what the homogenized version shows. Complete transparency. It is unbelievable how un-tranparent this has all been, and for so LONG!

The reason it has gone on so long is that, because it was so tied to politics, the governmental agencies – who everybody trusted to be neutrals in all of this – were part and parcel of the whole scam. They just put people on the inside who wouldn’t squeal.

BUT SOMEONE FINALLY DID.

Put together that just at the time the IPCC was being created, alongside the coincidental removal of over 75% of the met stations included, and that being the moment when the published temps started on a completely different slope, and the only rational first approach to going, “Whaaaa?!” is to look and see if methodology was somehow to blame.

Presenting both sets of before and after, cooking the books is either clear or the researchers are exonerated by the raw data itself. Any deviation between the two curves will show up as obvious, inviting analysis.

That none of this was presented in this way – and doubly so because of the intransigence in presenting the data to the journals and for other studies – can only lead to people wondering what the hell is going on.

HOW did these people think they were going to get away with this forever? Sooner or later SOMEONE was going to have to work with their data. Ar were they going to have initiations – ala Skull & Bones or the Masons – and have researchers pledge to keep their secrets?

WE OWE A HUGE DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO “DEEP LEAK,” WHOEVER HE IS.</B

Consider if you will: the last interglacial period (we are 11,000 years into the 12,000 year average interglacial time length), sea level rose 15 to 18 FEET above current levels (http://esp.cr.usgs.gov/info/lite/). The last interglacial period was about 120,000 years ago. It was all natural and yet, the Earth somehow survived!

All this happened before humans, industry and most especially, SUVs. How do the warming fanatics explain this? You guessed it, they don’t.

Now if paleohistory is correct, and we are at or nearing the end of the current interglacial period, should it not be considered that the injection of more insulative gasses might actually delay a glacial period, which would be far more destructive than any warming period would be?

The biggest factors in global warming and stability: solar insolation and water vapor, two things we will never be able to do squat about, and all the sales of cap and trade indulgences will never affect.

By the way, Al Gore got C-’s and D’s in the few science courses he took in college (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18). Kinda cheapens that Nobel Peace Prize a bit more, doesn’t it?

jharp was just throwing his own excrement, which he calls “debate”.

Such a drive- by rhetorical. Just typical of you AGWers. You call us skeptics knuckle daggers but I think you’re hiding a monkeys tail in your pants. I give you an E for excessive excrement with your banana statements coconut boy.

Try checking out icecap.us or co2science.org for some real science.

Hate to veer from the subject, but why the heck do we use centigrade anyway, given the fact that fahrenheit has 180 degrees between freezing and boiling, and centigrade only has 100? [/quote]

The Centigrade system matches up with metric heat, energy, force and weight units nicely. You can do most math in your head. In the use of Fahrenheit to do heat calculations for example, you have to use a lot of unwieldy constants that are not intuitive.