Climategate: How To Follow the Money
There’s big money in climate.
That became strikingly obvious in Copenhagen. The conference itself cost in the neighborhood of $30 million, but that was only the visible tip of the melting iceberg. Add to that the celebrities, the demonstrators, the congressional delegations, and the corporate displays, and you can bet something closer to $60 million was really spent on the conference — along with, of course, a carbon footprint the size of Morocco’s. The one significant outcome of the Copenhagen conference was an agreement to continue the international market in carbon offset trading that would otherwise have expired in 2012 and to prevent a crash in the carbon credits market.
It appears that most of the participants saw the money spent as an investment.
To see why, we need to look at the way Kyoto has turned into cash for many of the biggest names in the climate change world, and to do that we need to understand how the whole carbon trading scheme works.
Simple Carbon Trading
Start with the simple proposition that you want, for whatever reason, to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases (GHGs) being emitted by human activities worldwide. The reasons, of course, are all based on the idea that humans emitting GHGs are causing unexpected and unacceptable changes in the climate. Whether that’s true or not is a topic for other articles; for now, just take it as given.
There are actually a number of GHGs that could be an issue, but the largest share of human-produced GHGs is in carbon dioxide (CO2). So for simplicity, the Kyoto Protocol normalizes everything in terms of CO2 alone, using a number called the global warming potential (GWP). By definition, the global warming potential of CO2 is 1; the highest GWP is for sulfur hexaflouride, a gas used mainly in electrical equipment. Sulfur hexaflouride has a GWP of 23,900, so for Kyoto Protocol purposes, releasing 1 ton of sulfur hexaflouride is considered to be 23,900 tons of CO2.
Now, if there were a king of the world, that dread sovereign might just say: “Hey! Stop emitting GHGs!” And that would be that. In the real world, if you want to reduce GHGs, you have to come up with some kind of scheme to get people to do it (more or less) voluntarily. Governments do this, normally, with taxes. The simplest scheme is just to tax anyone who emits GHGs, charging them enough to pay for the bad effects. Reduce the amount you emit and your taxes go down.
Of course with a government program, and particularly with the UN, nothing is that simple.
Developing countries, particularly India and China, have rapidly growing economies and populations that really enjoy that their standards of living are rising toward first-world levels. These countries, as they improve their standards of living, are necessarily going to release more CO2. In the simple model, they would be expected to pay for those emissions.
Carbon Trading after Kyoto
India and China, with rapidly growing economies and populations that are really enjoying progress towards a first-world standard of living, didn’t like this scheme at all. To them, the simple carbon tax is just a massive tax, reducing their GDP and impeding their progress. Add to this the historical resentment of colonialism, and the simple carbon tax was a non-starter.
The Kyoto plan was intended to solve this — at the cost of more complexity — by using a carbon trading scheme. For example, imagine China is going to build a new power plant that would have emitted 1,000 tons of CO2 a year. If China instead builds that plant with new technology that reduces the emissions to 500 tons a year, they get 500 tons of carbon credits in the form of a certificate of emission reduction (CER). The theory is that they can then sell those CERs to other places as “credit” in place of CO2 emission reductions, something we’ll discuss below.
The devil is in the details, of course. If you can get a 500 ton CER for building the power plant better, shouldn’t you get 1,000 tons of credit for not building the power plant at all?
That could be a pretty sweet deal — you can not-build a lot of power plants in a year. If there’s a market for these CERs, that’s a license to print money. So there’s immediately a problem — you must somehow establish that you only provide CERs for projects that would otherwise have been built anyway.
The Kyoto Protocol establishes a mechanism to certify these emission reductions called the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM), which establishes a bureaucratic process under the supervision of the UN to do this certification. The purpose of the CDM is to keep the process honest. Only certify emission reductions for projects that would have been built anyway and that would have had a greater carbon footprint if they had been built the way they would have been built.
Got that? You have a CER, with real cash value, as long as a UN organization will certify what you might have done, and the way you might have done it, if you had done it, and done it that way.
Now, let’s leave the third world and go to the developed world, the first world, or what the Kyoto Protocol calls the Annex I countries. In fact, let’s go to the the U.S., where there is a power plant that already emits 1,000 tons of CO2 a year. They can offset that emission by buying the CER from China — but why would they bother?






Cap & Trade is probably dead in the US. How bright a future does carbon trading have given AGW theory is no longer settled science?
Was it P.T. Barnum that said, “There’s a sucker born every minute”? Some things never change.
Men plan, fate laughs. In this case I’m going to giggle along with fate. Reality is simple. If complexity is cranked in, somebody is getting screwed.
What is it about supply and demand that confuses socialists? If you have a lot of widgets that nobody wants, thy are cheap. If you only have a few widgets and everybody wants one, they are expensive.
What is so hard to comprehend about that?
Post Dopenhagen, the ECX got a bump. I wonder how long that will last? That made no sense. Of course, some people are always slow to figure out that the party is over, the lights are turned on and people with brooms are entering the room. I sure wouldn’t want to be holding a bunch of worthless paper when the bottom falls out. I’m thinking the ‘true believers’ will ride the plane down in flames. Speculators will start to bail if the January issues tank.
Brilliant illustration! What really happens is that the developed world has enough otherwise comfortable folks mired in the trappings of idleness, boredom and guilt to create the opportunity for clever manipulators to collect cash. It turns out that idiocy is a precious resource, sufficient abundant to support the creation of a mining industry specifically tooled to exploit it. All you need is a permit, generously dispensed by the UN, for a modest bribe.
The Copenhagen banner was not shown on TV, but I propose that it read “Idiots of the world unite, so your feathers can be plucked more efficiently”.
Steve asks: “How bright a future does carbon trading have given AGW theory is no longer settled science?”
The Talnik suggests: “Very bright. It is now a settled religion.”
Call me crazy,but something tells me that before long,there are going to be some fantastic bargains available down at Honest Al’s Used Carbon Credit Lot.
Well, well…I am glad Al Gore can earn some good money.
He will need it, to buy some good FUR COATS for his family when the temperature of the planet will plummet.
Steve, perversely, the failure of cap&trade in Congress doesn’t do much of anything except maybe lower the CER market price a little. The government has a number of other existing enforcement mechanisms, plus there are state-level agreements, so companies in the US still need to get carbon credits from somewhere.
The amazing thing to me — and something I didn’t really understand until I started writing this — is that the value of CERs is completely political. The supply of them has no actual relationship to anything except the ability to get a UN stamp on a certification; the demand for them has nothing whatsoever behind it besides the ability of the government to force people to buy them.
Let us not forget that the entire carbon market scheme is a product of the fertile mind of Al Gore’s friend Ken Lay.
In Charlie’s reply to Steve at #8, I believe he is alluding (in part) to the insane, draconian edict by the EPA that it can regulate CO2. And that edict is being used as blackmail to force the passage of a ‘less onerous’ Cap & Trade bill by Congress. Get it?
Here’s what bothered me about the Copenhagen stuff: There was a promise of $100 billion/year to the ‘developing’ countries. Now, Chinese buy more cars than Americans do, and India has a larger middles class than America; why on God’s Green Earth should we be obligated to send them billions of dollars?
9. tdiinva:
Let us not forget that the entire carbon market scheme is a product of the fertile mind of Al Gore’s friend Ken Lay.
True. We need to keep hammering that home, by constantly reminding the American public that Enron pioneered Cap & Trade.
the guy that sold the fine thread that the naked kings clothes were made out of, that guy must have been the grandfather of the carbon credit manufacturer.
At some point (hopefully soon) somebody is going to be left holding a bag stuffed with worthless CERs. This is a modified pyramid scheme with the AlGorish middlemen holding the real cash.
Bingo! Carbon credits are a global fiat currency with the “printing press” controlled by the UN.
At the root level there is obviously a correlation between co2 and temperature. This science was proven prior to Manbearpig. The real question is – and I setup this question believing that everyone thinks that any kind of variant from what has gotten us this far (200,000 years) is suspect, can this argument be settled by simply observing one’s surroundings. I think the answer is yes. If it doesn’t affect you then don’t do anything about it. It will only be when we here voices from a significant percentage of the world when action will be taken. And then forces from industry, science and government will come together.
BTW, my thanks to the PJM editors — they’ve corrected several formatting errors and added a last-minute change since this went up.
#13 AM: I don’t know. It’s a pretty sweet scam — the generation of climate indulgences in China and India is free modulo any bribe money administrative costs. I think the only people who have any exposure are the market makers, and they seem to be so tightly tied in politically I’d bet on them clearing their inventories first.
#14 Jay: I don’t think it strictly matches the definition of fiat money, but it’s an interesting comparison.
The amazing thing is that this scheme requires a perverted understanding of the law of supply and demand. We create a supply through political connections, and create a demand through government extortion schemes. When there is no “controlling legal authority” to criminalize this behavior, it can go on as long as the perpetrators can stay alive.
As the other guy always says, “The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.”
#15 Eric: I think you’re basically right. The whole discussion depends on: whether the 40-60ppm of CO2 that has been added in the last years are man-made, as opposed to, say, outgassed from the oceans as temperatures rose; and if so, how much warming does that contribute. Climategate has begun to show that what we thought we knew about both of those questions is suspect.
I like this..
Steve, perversely, the failure of cap&trade in Congress doesn’t do much of anything except maybe lower the CER market price a little. The government has a number of other existing enforcement mechanisms, plus there are state-level agreements, so companies in the US still need to get carbon credits from somewhere.
The amazing thing to me — and something I didn’t really understand until I started writing this — is that the value of CERs is completely political. The supply of them has no actual relationship to anything except the ability to get a UN stamp on a certification; the demand for them has nothing whatsoever behind it besides the ability of the government to force people to buy them.
#15 – CO2 correlation with temperature is “obvious” at first 20 ppm increase. From there on, it’s all downhill for CO2 impact, which is indeed obvious to all scientists. Take a look at this chart and you’ll see why it’s obvious -
http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/08/politicians-global-warming-claim-were-having-unprecedented-temperature-increases-are-they-just-ignor.html
18. Charlie Martin:
#15 Eric: I think you’re basically right. The whole discussion depends on: whether the 40-60ppm of CO2 that has been added in the last years are man-made, as opposed to, say, outgassed from the oceans as temperatures rose; and if so, how much warming does that contribute. Climategate has begun to show that what we thought we knew about both of those questions is suspect.
don’t forget volcanos and decaying leaves reversing the “lungs” of the planet bu!lshit.
I saw an scientist explain the entire argument about the CO2 premise,(sorry I cann’t link to it) but it was basically (the scientist had an aquarium for a prop) and it had just air/ambient atmosphere in it to represent the air/ambient atmosphere and the scientist said the argument was that if one molecule of CO2 was added to the contents of the aquarium then that would be what the “warming/climate change” people were saying would destroy the planet.
it was such a simple demonstration of how faulty the entire premise is.
regards
I read somewhere a few days ago that all those California forest fires of just last year alone has put out more Co2 than all the cars ever made here in the US. Can that be true? If so, it is time for CA to start coughing up some serious Co2 taxes, No? Oh yeah, right, that can’t happen ’cause they are broke and just waiting for the big O to bail them out to!
Lets see: A manufacturing company in India or China buys out an American competitor, shuts in down – putting 750 union employees out of work – gets those credits and adds the credits i gets for not building a plant in India or China because it can replace the U.S. plants’ production from its existing plants – which get credited for the carbon reduction. While Al Gore and Dr. Pachauri buy new houseboats, while boasting about saving the polar bears.
Has anybody pointed out this benefit of cap and trade to the Unions?
Are the transactions on the carbon trade exchange published anywhere? Fat Albert is like the funeral director who married the mid-wife: he gets them coming and going.
“At the root level there is obviously a correlation between co2 and temperature”
Eric, there might be. What the correlation is and if it’s CO2 are in dispute. CO2 is not the only GHG. It isn’t even the most significant.
And there is no evidence showing if CO2 increase causes a temperature increase or if a temperature increase causes a CO2 increase.
Besides, the Earth is about 74% water. CO2 has no effect on water temperature. Water temperature DOES affect air temperature, at least the sea level temperatures. Europe is warmer them Siberia because the Gulf stream carries warm water along the Eastern coast of Europe.
http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/spot_sunclimate.html
NOAA is a pretty serious group of AGW nutters. Still the above URL has some interesting information. It is a pre-climategate site, so when ever they speak about data sets, remember those data sets are bogus, with false numbers inserted to make it appear that AGW is much greater then it actually is. Don’t think so? Then why were the numbers rigged?
It is certainly true that the juggernaut of bought and/or naive and gullible scientists, the politicians, the traders, the UN, the third world beneficiaries, that these all will attempt to continue pushing the agenda of global warming and demanding “action now” (Translate: “Pay me now”).
What is different post-ClimateGate is that skepticism has been mainstreamed, and there is no going backwards on this matter. Opposition voices in the scientific community may perhaps now speak more freely, with less fear of professional reprisals of various sorts. As Michael Crichton put it in his book “State of Fear”, many scientists were subjected to a climate of fear.
Is it to be still the case that 80-some odd percent of Democrats believe in Global Warming, yada yada yada, and 10-15% of Republicans do so? One would hope that a larger middle ground arises, and that reasonable conclusions are reached.
However make no doubt about it, the science and it’s implications are complex. I made one simple comment: If the role of CO2 is found, with more study to be a weak role, as it is likely to be, then the primary man made factors affecting climate are factors of pollution and land use changes.
We then face the reverse situation with respect to the third world and emerging nations: They affect climate detrimentally, not us.
Do they still, then, demand ransom and blackmail?
Impossible.
To #15, 21 & 25. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation and that is the crux of the matter.
Eric:
There is a simple relationship between CO2 and temperature in a simple model of the earth’s climate system. However, the real climate system isn’t that simple. 5-6 of the preceding quaternary ice ages had CO2 levels that were higher then today’s levels. Some had CO2 levels in excess of 1000ppm. The IPCC estimates that CO3 levels will be about 700ppm at the turn of the next century. That is still below the CO2 levels found in earlier ice ages. It is safe to say that a wide range of global climate variability is possible in the projected CO2 levels.
1. Non-Junk Science, formerly, “Science,” in Latin: “Scientia,” (=knowledge), starts with a hypothesis, and/or hypotheses, and within at least, some theoretical basis, if the actual field is new at the time, like, Nuclear Fission, Nuclear Power, Nuclear Fusion, Radioactivity, Atomic Bomb, Hydrogen Bomb, and Neutron Bomb, within Nuclear Physics and beyond, and later becomes “accepted theory,” and established ways of making nuclear weapons, reliable ways to make nuclear power reactors, and accepted ways to measure radioactivity, but never as, “settled science or theory,” as within AGW propagandists.
2. The AGW theory, and its various names, Global Warming Hoax, Climategate, MMGW, Global Warming, and Climate Change, states as a “scientific fact,” that humans warms and destroy the earth, due to its Carbon Footprint, making it, e.g. the AGW theory, DOA, e.g. “Dead On Arrival,” due to the fact its basis, is both non-scientific, anti-human, and anti-capitalism in its inscription, and should therefore be rejected.
3. Phil Jones (CRU/UEA), Michael Mann (PSU), James Hansen (NASA/GISS), Ben Santer (LLNL), in conjunction with the former, “1975 ´Endangered Atmosphere´Conference, Where the Global Warming Hoax Was Born,” by Majorie Mazel Hecht, Special Report, Fall 2007, 21st CENTURY Science & Technology, at http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles%202007/GWHoaxBorn.pdf, and their respective names, Margaret Mead, Paul Ehrlich, Stephen Schneider, John Holdren (Obama´s Science Czar), George Woodwell, James Lovelock, and their #1 Propagandist, Mr. Al Gore, are all hysterical propagandists, with an anti-science ideology, with a foreseeable formula for a “no future” world.
4. Say No To Global Warming Hoax!!!
Say No To Climategate!!!
Say No To Global Governance!!!
Say No To Cap And Trade!!!
Say No To Junk Scientists!!!
Say No To Fold AGW Into National Security!!!
Say No To Copenhagen!!!
Say No To All!!!
It looks like the head of the IPCC has been getting rich off of the “science”.
“Pachauri in expenses scam”
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/pachauri-basques-in-glory.html
29 @ 6:05 PM.
Say No to Regressive Liberals
Say No to Democrats
Say YES to our Constitution
Say YES to politicians who support the Republic and our Constitution (CLUE: Not a single Democrat)
Idiots guide to CARBON TRADING. cheatneutral.com Good for a laugh but right on the money.
AGWing Greenies are, IMHO, the new Luddites who, in the name of saving the planet from the ravages of humanity, are trying to devolve us back into the stoner age. Can they not understand that improved standards of living, education, access to information leads to declining birthrates. Look at the developed countries, look at Japan, the Japanese may become an endangered species due to low reproduction rates. The same with other developed countries, like Italy. Keeping people in poverty and ignorance is the recipe for uncontrolled population growth and environmental destruction. The Greenie-Luddite mantra is “the planet can not survive the world’s population having the American standard of living”, but as a matter of fact, the Greenites are exactly wrong! In actuality, the world’s population having the American standard of living will save the planet, because population levels will naturally drop. The danger is that population levels might drop too much!
I have consistently argued that there is no evidence of GHGs causing climate change. See Mott’s Blog, mottsblog.blogspot.com.
In fact, the Kyoto mechanism suffers from many of the defects noted by the author. Many projects that do not actual reduce fossil fuel usage seem to get credits and the certification mechanism is often erratic.
However, to the extent that the mechanism promotes renewable energy to replace coal it has some merit. The real problem with coal-burning is not CO2 (plant food), but mercury (carcinogenic). Unfortunately, the EU system through 2012 makes a renewable energy plant take its carbon credits from the National Allocation, thus penalizing the countries that promote renewable energy.
There are many reasons to support renewable energy, McCain’s comment about needing “all of the above being the foremost. Ironically, the cost of renewables in a “dynamic scoring” mode (like we conservatives argue with tax cuts) is actually much smaller than the direct subsidies. The Energy Information Agency under Bush estimated that the US could be 20% renewable by 2020 at a cost of 0.9% more to consumers. This was due to competition created for conventional electricity producers, especially natural gas.
Global cooling is much. much more serious than the threat of warming. See “Global Cooling: The Coming Crisis of Credibility,” August 29, 2008: http://mottsblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/global-cooling-coming-crisis-of.html
We will need all the energy we can get in the coming `15-20 years of cooling, as the sun’s activity reaches modern low points in its natural cycles. The GHG mechanism is based on faulty science, even on fraudulent use of data and not just at CRU, but the world needs more energy sources and any new system needs to reward their creation, not penalize it.
The post-2012 mechanism in the EU, where 70% of the carbon trading now occurs, will hopefully go more in this direction. National allocations will be replaced by a large part of the credits being auctioned.
Remember that the Kyoto trading mechanism started modeled after the US SO2 cap-and-trade system, which was widely regarded as effective and an example of market-based mechanisms. See CBO descvription of current U system: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/89xx/doc8934/AppendixA.8.1.shtml
“A reflection of the effectiveness is that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency announced that power plants across the country decreased emissions of SO2, a precursor to acid rain, to 7.6 million tons in 2008. Emissions from sources in the Acid Rain Program fell by 52 percent compared with 1990 levels and are already below the statutory annual emission cap of 8.95 million tons set for compliance in 2010.” http://www.matternetwork.com/2009/12/cap-and-trade-working-already.cfm
These have worked because of the principle that the incremental cost of controlling the pollutants can be best allocated by a market-based mechanism that promotes the lowest cost of achieving the emission reduction. The new EU procedures as they develop should be measured against this principle.
The US SO2 and NOx programs “have large vibrant trading markets, both have been extremely successful in achieving environmental aims, and neither has evidenced manipulation or gaming.” http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2009/11/24/how-cap-and-trade-markets-work-for-acid-rain-and-smog
We undoubtedly need to get the GHG program, especially in the EU where I live now, more into the business of actually promoting and supporting real alternative energy production. To the extent that it achieves this objective, its cost will be modest when viewed “dynamically.” Absent a real international pollution control program, on mercurty, for example, the EU Emission Trading System is all that we have. If we can make it work to promote more energy independence, cleaner energy, and more net energy, it will be a relatively small price.
Randy Mott
President, CEERES Sp z o.o (LLC)
Warsaw, Poland
[reneweable energy developer and conservative Republican]
Always remember that the lead negotiator for the USA at Kyoto was algore. That man belongs in jail. I suspect instead of jail, he will start a new church, the Holy Church of AGW, and dodge paying taxes on his carbon credits.
Charlie has laid out how the carbon offset market works very nicely. I am here to tell you who dreamt the damn thing up! It was the late unlamented Enron Corp. that came up with the design for trading carbon dioxide offsets. They of all people knew perfectly well that the main sources for these offsets were hot air and bulls***, and though they didn’t have a monopoly on same, they were most certainly long!
It should be published far and wide and deeply considered whether anything that Enron dreamed up should be something the world should engage in: the wreckage of wholesale electricity market “deregulation” in California and nationally also has their fingerprints all over it, much to our detriment.
#35. Mr. Samford. alGore as lead negotiator for the US and Canada at Kyoto was responsible for representing and defending our joint position: 1) Universality of application (no exemption for developing nations), 2) global cap and trade, and 3) low-tech remediation (tree planting getting as much credit as high tech carbon sequestration schemes). There is absolutely nothing on the record from Kyoto on item 3 from alGore, and very little on items 1 and 2. He basically tubed the US and Canada position to give himself a political hobbyhorse to ride, with the effects of pissing the Canadians off so that they have gone their own way, and gave the treaty he signed a 95-0 Senate vote against even hearing it, since he clearly disregarded their instructions. You can easily imagine that there would have been at least 20 – 30 Senators in favor of Kyoto had alGore negotiated in good faith.
It is interesting that it was the AGW folks who attacked the financing of the “deniers”. Now it has been revealed that taxpayers world wide have been contributing billions of dollars to the fraudulent researchers. Politicians and the mainstream media has scammed the world! I sure hope someone with deep pockets can hire enough investigators to get Gore, Hansen, Mann, and Jones in an Iranian jail cell where they belong! The CRU should be shut down. Penn State should shut down its climate studies program. NASA needs to fire a bunch of criminals! The UK has a massive amount of corruption clean up to do. The UN is hopeless.
#34 Randy: That’s the hell of it — a market based solution is a good idea. The difference between the SO2 market in North American and the CO2 market? Whether is run by
the UNcrooks.#38 Ken: What’s more, while the warm-mongers attack McIntyre as being in the pay of Big oil, it turns out they were assiduously seeking grant from Big Oil, sometimes successfully.
Was it ever, or did you just get snoockered?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2009/12/excerpt-obama-on-disappointment-in-copenhagen.html
Please go to PBS and post a comment under Obama’s interview with Jim Lehrer.
Wonderful primer for the biggest hoax ever.
It is my hope that those that are heavily invested in this scheme lose all they have to this hoax and most especially Al Gore!
The intentions are great…save the world from itself but making business out it? it’s just preposterous! It’s all about the money.
everybody has their own views. we should respect each one of them.