Climategate: For IPCC, Writing Is on the Wall … and It’s in Chinese
In a China Daily column (“Do three errors mean breaking point for IPCC?”), author Li Xing describes her experience at the Copenhagen conference, when she went to a forum of skeptics. Li, “an ardent environmentalist,” found many of the speakers “too emotional and politically charged to be considered objective.” But she was impressed — rightly — with Fred Singer. Li was disturbed when she brought Singer’s concerns to some IPCC supporters … only to have them dismissed out of hand.
The column walks her views back a bit, as she worries about the lack of climate data from China, and adds:
Several Chinese scientists who have gone over the IPCC report believe that the IPCC may have overstated the link between global temperature and CO2 in the atmosphere.
In a paper published in the December issue of the Chinese-language Earth Science magazine, Ding Zhongli — an established environmental scientist — stated that the current temperatures on Earth look normal if global climate changes over the past 10,000 years are considered.
Ding’s paper highlighted the fact that in its policy suggestions, the IPCC offered solutions that would give people in rich countries the right to emit a much higher level of greenhouse gas per capita than people in developing countries. It in effect set limits on the economic growth of developing countries, which will result in furthering the gap between rich and poor countries.
Li adds references to Climategate, the Himalayan glaciers episode, and the recent revelation that the supposed links between AGW and extreme weather are also illusory, and concludes:
I am particularly troubled by the fact that top IPCC officials do not seem to take these revelations seriously. … Ancient Chinese considered three a breaking point. They could forgive two errors, but not a third. Now that the IPCC has admitted three “human” errors, isn’t it time scientists gave its work a serious review?
That writing is in Hindi, Bengali, Punjabi and English as well:
Very funny information.
And the fact that we are running towards another ice age chitchatting about global warming becomes funnier and funnier every day.
The future historians will find very few signs of intelligent life on the planet Earth in the XX and XXI centuries…
Now, if you excuse me, I have a “disruptive”/ “paralyzing” snow storm to cope with.
“Ancient Chinese considered three a breaking point. They could forgive two errors, but not a third.”
Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.
–Auric Goldfinger
Guess this goes to show that even a broken clock like the Chinese state-run media is right twice a day.
Not actually that surprising. The PRC has as much or more to lose than we do.
It’s nice to see people in the East acknowledging the contributions of Fred Singer. Well deserved..
This is no surprise since Global Warming is not substantiated, and if one believes that the climategate climatologists were intentionally lying, then that is tacit proof that global warming is NOT REAL. This fits with the fact that the US administration continues to push their “Green Jobs Bill” even though the American people oppose it.
It also looks like the Democrats are opting for Armageddon. They are trying to run the American economy into the ground and then leave the catastrophe for future administrations.
If the Democrats are to be stopped then the American people need to rise up as one as soon as possible, preferably yesterday, to stop it.
I would have. After watching them report about the US and the Iraq war in 2005, I found that they were much more unbiased, much less anti-American than CNN. In fact CCTV was not anti-American at all. They were very professional, as long as they didn’t have to report their domestic politics. In fact they read official releases and never claimed their domestic reports were other than govt. propagandas, unlike you know who in this country.
I wonder how many times we’ll hear “Climate Change” or “Global Warming” during the Super Bowl. I’ve noticed virtually every NBC and their cable affiliates end the last ten minutes of a program with a treatise on why we must cut back on our way of life.
Man Baaaad, Earth Goood!
I’ve been watching the Chinese television media for a couple of years now, and it’s remarkable—truly remarkable—how their media is often more accurate than America’s useless ABC, CBS, NBC, AP, Reuters, MSNBC, and CNN.
Wait, wasn’t I reading how the Chinese loved the idea of American ‘warmism’ because they wanted us to hobble our economy? Whats the new narrative?
Who would have thought Chinese state-run media could give more thorough coverage of Climategate than the U.S. MSM?
To answer your question; a state-run media gives coverage to whatever it chooses as a benefit to itself.
The free market gives coverage to whatever makes it money. This is why the free market gives most of its coverage to Porn.
The MSM clings to its role as thought leader for the sheeple, but surely middle america will twig to the fact that our Old Marxist Media ignores many significant stories.
Of source, Drudge owes his very existence to running stories that the OMM spiked…
As a college level English teacher, I have worked with lots of Asian students, many from “Communist” China who have every intention of returning there to pursue their careers. They have been overwhelmingly fine scholars, very open to new perspectives, and scrupulous about reasoning things out, so it’s no surprise to me that people publishing in China Daily or commenting on their news media are independent thinkers. As long as their work is not perceived as a threat to the regime, careful, even innovative, scientific work, can and does happen all the time.
Coverage? How about ACTION?
India is simply withdrawing from the IPCC.
How about them apples?
There is no way US will withdraw from IPCC, even though everyone by now know it’s a scam. Dems will not let a pile of tax money go by without putting the hand on it. Repubs (current breed) are not up to the task, media will get on the money train whoever drives it, and stupid American taxpayer will hold the sh-it broom. What a pathetic situation we got ourselves into. What’s more troubling, it’s our very young children will have to pay for it and those who haven’t born yet. Those in colleges are already lost. Our education system, with our quiet approval has created an army of mindless and spineless robots.
Sucks.
Wait, wasn’t I reading how the Chinese loved the idea of American ‘warmism’ because they wanted us to hobble our economy? Whats the new narrative?
Maybe China has waken up to the risk of crippling the US economy when they own $800 billion of our debt.
What is becoming most clear, is that our information stream is so tainted, that it cannot be trusted to fulfill its moral obligation to provide us with facts upon which we can make vital decisions as we attempt to self-govern this land of ours.
The information stream has been stolen and is being held hostage, bound up with leftist agitprop and gagged into a conspiracy of silence when the facts do not line up with the leftist narrative.
The “educated class” sneeringly houses the repository for “facts and news”, which they bend to their whim and then send back through their ultra-thin truth strainer, to be lapped up by me-too moo-cows who mimic the message on cue.
The net effect is criminal. The imposition of “truth my way” by leftist fact thieves, leaves us crippled and lost in addressing the most important issues of our time. We suffer mightily, having to overcome deceit on every issue, before we can weigh options. Who are these people who dare to arrogate to themselves the role of cooking the books of facts and news and information?
If we don’t demand that they be brought to account, we will continue to purchase damaged, soiled, tainted and rotten goods.
“Mainstream”? Not in my country. Not any longer. They are the greatest shame ever to visit this land of ours.
Smart people, the Chinese, with
Millenia of accumulated wisdom
on human nature, and failings.
Pragmatic, too; They would gladly
call off their economic war on the US
if they could spend their dollars on
non-polluting fusion power plants,
Made in the USA.
What does it say when you would tend to trust what was said by the Communist media in China, on this one issue at least, AGW, over that of the United States? I find it both sad and scary.
Well perhaps we can get a few of these scinetists to visit China, where they could be arrested and made to account for their errors. Let’s see what did the Chinese do the guy who was in charge of quality control which allowed toxic subastances in products. He only made one error.
China:
Listen up
Don’t you make us send Algore over there.
Straighten up!!
As soon as you sign and submit, we are coming over to deal with CH4. That methane coming out of your rice paddies has to stop.
Our green communist party is years ahead of your Red communist party.
Congress or Parliament will not be passing any climate change or global warming tax bills this weekend.
Washington is buried under 30 inches of snow and England poor are burning books to stay warm.
We could use an ice age survivor manual.
Fifty years ago I listened to Radio Moscow on an old Trans Oceanic radio we had. Totally propaganda that even I at a young age was able discern.
Now the propaganda comes from the American MSM. I need to find that old Trans Oceanic again and tune it to Radio Beijing.
But never, ever, did we dream that the road to salvation went through China.
Give the U.S. some credit. Our Senate refused to ratify Kyoto and signaled that they would have nothing to do with Copenhagen, thus discouraging “progress” on climate change — and they did it despite the pressure of our educational and media institutions.
Funny y’all should mention Chinese media. I’ve had something to say about it:
http://maltesegirls.blogspot.com/2009/12/thank-goodness-our-foes-cant-help.html
So now we can trust CHINESE COMMUNIST state run media to be more TRUTHFUL and OBJECTIVE than the US MSM. Yet ANOTHER sad day for the USA and the tainted, deluded, befuddled, irrelevant US MSM and thats not to mention the US President the LYING MOHAMMEDAN BOGUS POTUS both of whom are ALL still spouting the AGW SCAM mantra as if nothing has happened.
“Who would have thought Chinese state-run media could give more thorough coverage of Climategate than the U.S. MSM?”
Are you kidding? The Chinese Reds will do anything to justify their on-going environmental crimes. They’ve gotta keep those factories humming. After all, they’ve got humongous orders from Walmart to fill.
So I presume that YOU ‘Joseph’ are a Green NAZI and dont think we have been LIED to by AGW SCAM merchants. How does it look down there with your head in the sand and your ass in the air? Bet you are an Obama true believer too no doubt. How about the ‘Tooth Fair’ bet you believe in him too, oops sorry how non PC of me.
The PCC and their cronies need to be replaced….with Pauxatawney Phil. Phil is incorruptible.
The Chinese have no intention of curbing CO2. This article being published is no surprise. They will go after other really dangerous pollutants because that makes sense.
Lady Bracknell used the rule of two. To misrepresent one catastrophe might be conditioned a misfortune, but to misrepresent two is downright carelessness.
The catalogue of “errors” however raises an important consideration; is the IPCC earnest or not?. Error suggests the panel of experts is incompetent. If they are competent then what was included was knowingly done and thus the panel of experts is untrustworthy.
Either way the whole IPCC output should go in the bin and redone with a new properly constituted panel or better still, let us not bother and just get on with our lives.
“At the end of the fight,
stood the tombstone white.
To mark the grave
of the dear deceased.
And the epitath drear,
a fool lies here,
who tried to hustle the East.”
- Rudyard Kipling
Asia and the western world; two ships passing in the night.
But only one is heading for New Horizons.
I’ve always felt that China would be our saving grace from The Great Global Warming Hoax. In short, they don’t “do” bullsh!t.
China, India and Brazil cripple themselves economically becuase Al Gore says so? Please.
I don’t understand why Li is “particularly troubled”. Surely she realizes by now that the entire AGW theme has never been about saving the world before we all melt. It’s always been about redistributing wealth and power.
The national media’s continued silence on ClimateGate and increasing revelations of outright fraud and wrongdoing at all levels of government, academia and the media itself, tells the truth of the tail. That truth is there’s a lot more to this ClimateGate story than what little is being reported. The small (2 to 3 dozen) international cabal of climate scientists could not have possibly gotten to this point without extraordinary funding, political support at virtually all levels of government, especially at the national level and unparalleled cooperation from the national and world media. This wide-spread networked support continues even as we the people puzzle over what this is all about. I ask you, “What are you seeing and hearing from our national media on the subject?” Anything? What are you seeing and hearing from all levels of our government, local and regional newspapers and media outlets? Anything of substance? At all of these levels the chatter has remained remarkably quite on the subject, wouldn’t you say? Why? What points and positions are you beginning to hear on the radio and see on the television? This cabal of scientists has an unprecedented level of support given the revelations contained in the emails, documented in the computer software code and elaborated in the associated programmer remarks (REM) within the code. And —- this has gone on for years, AND continues even in the presence of the most damning evidence one could imagine, or even hope for. Watergate pales in comparison, given the trillions of dollars in carbon offset taxes, cap & trade fees hanging in the balance and the unimaginable political control over people’s lives this all implies. The mainstream media’s conspiracy of silence proves the point. Their continued cover-up is as much a part of this crime as the actual scientific fraud. ABC, CBS and NBC are simply co-conspirators exercising their 5th Amendment rights.
Meanwhile the CENSORSHIP in the USA lame-stream media continues unabated. Well at least FNC had an article last week.
I count as many as 14 frauds uncovered.
By the way where is Al Gore?
#39: Talnik asked: “By the way where is Al Gore?”
answer: Counting his money
China should think long and hard about any foreign effort to curtail its use of fossil fuel – coal in particular. China now burns 1.5 times as much coal as is burned by Europe and the USA combined. China and its close by neighbors have vast quantities of coal. Nat Gas however is scarce, and Nuclear plants cost 6 times more than do coal plants. China needs electricity to thrive and its best source of that is coal. I am very pleased to discover that there are now Chinese political officials who are starting to realize how overblown is the AGW/CO2 hype. CO2 is less than 4/100 of a percent of the atmosphere. CO2 also only can absorb 8% of the IR spectrum which radiates heat back into the atmosphere. It is ridiculous to believe that a gas which is .04% of the atmosphere and which can only absorb 8% of the IR spectrum can be responsible for any significant amount of global warming. The AGW theory is based entirely on nutter science and the world is now starting to see this for what it is.