Climategate Meets the Law: Senator Inhofe to Ask for DOJ Investigation (Pajamas Media/PJTV Exclusive)
BREAKING: See Charlie Martin’s “Senator Barbara Boxer and EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson Throw IPCC Under the Bus“.
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Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4).
Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify.
“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress.
Just prior to a hearing at 10:00 a.m. EST, Senator Inhofe released a minority staff report from the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, of which he is ranking member. Senator Inhofe is asking the Department of Justice to investigate whether there has been research misconduct or criminal actions by the scientists involved, including Dr. Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University and Dr. James Hansen of Columbia University and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
This report, obtained exclusively by Pajamas Media before today’s hearing, alleges:
[The] Minority Staff of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works believe the scientists involved may have violated fundamental ethical principles governing taxpayer-funded research and, in some cases, federal laws. In addition to these findings, we believe the emails and accompanying documents seriously compromise the IPCC -backed “consensus” and its central conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are inexorably leading to environmental catastrophes.
As has been reported here at Pajamas Media over the last several months, the exposure of the Climategate files has led to a reexamination of the IPCC Assessment Reports, especially the fourth report (AR4), published in 2007. The IPCC AR4 report was named by Environmental Protection Agency head Lisa Jackson as one of the major sources of scientific support for the agency’s Endangerment Finding, the first step towards allowing the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant.
Since the Climategate files were released, the IPCC has been forced to retract a number of specific conclusions — such as a prediction that Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035 — and has been forced to confirm that the report was based in large part on reports from environmental activist groups instead of peer-reviewed scientific literature. Dr. Murari Lal, an editor of the IPCC AR4 report, admitted to the London Daily Mail that he had known the 2035 date was false, but was included in the report anyway “purely to put political pressure on world leaders.”
Based on this minority staff report, Senator Inhofe will be calling for an investigation into potential research misconduct and possible criminal acts by the researchers involved. At the same time, Inhofe will ask the Environmental Protection Agency to reopen its consideration of an Endangerment Finding for carbon dioxide as a pollutant under the Federal Clean Air Act, and will ask Congress to withdraw funding for further consideration of carbon dioxide as a pollutant.
In requesting that the EPA reopen the Endangerment Finding, Inhofe joins with firms such as the Peabody Energy Company and several state attorneys general (such as Texas and Virginia) in objecting to the Obama administration’s attempt to extend regulatory control over carbon dioxide emissions in the United States. Senator Inhofe believes this staff report “strengthens the case” for the Texas and Virginia attorneys general.
Senator Inhofe’s announcement today appears to be the first time a member of Congress has formally called for an investigation into research misconduct and potential criminal acts by the scientists involved.
“The question, of course, is whether the Senate Democratic majority will allow this investigation to proceed”
One suspects that Charlie Martin is cynically asking a rhetorical question—and already knows the answer. It is: No! There is no way in hell that the Democrats are going to let this happen. The odds may be better that I will win the lottery. We will have to wait until the Republicans regain control of the U.S. Senate. Such an investigation would prove disastrous for the Democratic Party. The global warming crusade is mostly their baby.
The question, of course, is whether the Senate Democratic majority will allow this investigation to proceed, in the face of the Obama administration’s stated intention to regulate CO2 following the apparent death of cap and trade legislation. The Democratic majority has blocked previous attempts by Inhofe to investigate issues with climate science.
The question isn’t “if” it is going to be blocked, Charlie.
When an administration signals its intent toward open dialogue by placing Karl in a position as “arbiter” or nominating Van Jones as its “voice” on the subject, there seems to be a clear intent to stifle open dialogue and brutalize peer review of the subject.
Do we really believe that Eric Holder is going to take up the investigation and prosecution of the charges outlined by the staff report?
Or that Al Gore would subject himself to cross-examination? We can’t even get the entrenched media to admit the admissions, much less participate in the investigation into the larger impact of this story.
They aren’t just burying the lead, they are leading the burial of this story.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/22/tom-karl-tried-to-suppress-data-critics-charge/#/scitech/planet-earth/ci.New+Climate+Agency+Head+Tried+to+Suppress+Data%2C+Critics+Charge.opinion
Global Warming is the only profitable cottage industry that the United States of America has left. Everything else has been sold out to the Chinese by business owners and politicians.
Pajamas Media (and whoever, wherever, with whatever) can keep on pounding out endless articles that discredit and/or prove the lies about Global Warming until doomsday, but you are hallucinating if you think that Al Gore, Obama, the dumb ass liberal left or any of the other involved phonies will concede so much as an inch.
The “belief” in global warming leads to a conservation of oil, right? And oil is a finite resource which inhabits a world with infinite growth.
Sounds like a fancy way to ration a limited resource. Hmm…
http://www.amazon.com/New-Era-Begins-1/dp/1450567770/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266881165&sr=1-2
The truth will prevail if America can muster the courage.
Not only should Al Gore be called before congress but also the academics, such as Phil Jones and Michael Mann, that underwrote his rip-off. Gore has made billions with phony carbon offsets while Mann and Jones received millions in grants to fund their “work”. This is a fraud of epic proportions and these white-collar criminals should be prosecuted, go to jail, and be made to dis-Gore-ge their ill-gotten gains.
A majority of American people have been asking for this investigation for several months. It is about time someone woke up and not only will listen to the people, but see where all our money went to. Ask Gore to sell some of his massive estate (compared to most Americans), and give some of it back. Of course he is not the only one and I hope they look at all personnel who have benefited from this scam!
if this investigation should come about it will cost more dollars. add that to the amount of money ripped off by this entire scam (gore and other cottage industry members) and you would probably have an amount equal to the budget deficit. what took the senator so long?
You know, acting as though Inhofe is something other than just a malicious idiot is not going to help your cause.
Global warming science was also a baby of the anti-tobacco crowd.
The new Tobacco Prohibition
I would like to take the time to tell the entire community about a falsehood so big that everyone who believes in freedom should be appauled.
This falsehood is so big it resonates from historical fact forward to this day. This falsehood is so big billions of dollars have been spent to make it believable to those of us who dont take the time to look up the facts.
We all remember reading about alcohol prohibition,but did you know there was also tobacco prohibition going on before alcohol became such a target of the last nanny staters.
Our great grandparents lived thru prohibition and the great depression,they also lived thru tobacco prohibition.
Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.
1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. “Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity” (Dillow, 1981:10).
1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children.
1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. “You can’t do that on Fifth Avenue,” the arresting officer says.
1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: “Business … is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do.”
1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.
1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google.
Now onto the falsehood……
We have been told for years by smoke free advocates that second hand smoke is the cause of everything from johnnys ear ache to cousin ED’S lung cancer. But wheres the proof!!!
Remember they claim 50,000 deaths a year yet,there are no bodys not even mass graves of the dead to second hand smoke.We await the names of these victims.
A simple stroll down historys road say 10 years or so and we start to get at the truth……
A federal Judge by the name of osteen got a case dropped in his lap in North Carolina,the case was that of EPA’S study on second hand smoke/environmental tobacco smoke.The judge an anti-tobbaco judge by reputation spent 4 years going thru the study and interviewing scientists at EPA and came to the conclusion :
JUNK SCIENCE
”EPA’s 1992 conclusions are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. The report has been largely discredited and, in 1998, was legally vacated by a federal judge.Before its 1992 report, EPA had always used epidemiology’s gold standard CI of 95 percent to measure statistical significance. But because the U.S. studies chosen[cherry picked] for the report were not statistically significant within a 95 percent CI, for the first time in its history EPA changed the rules and used a 90 percent CI, which doubled the chance of being wrong.
This allowed it to report a statistically significant 19 percent increase [a 1.19rr] of lung cancer cases in the nonsmoking spouses of smokers over those cases found in nonsmoking spouses of nonsmokers. Even though the RR was only 1.19–an amount far short of what is normally required to demonstrate correlation or causality–the agency concluded this was proof SHS increased the risk of U.S. nonsmokers developing lung cancer by 19 percent.”
So here we find that second hand smoke was made a political scapegoat by EPA.Lets not forget how EPA has reworked the global warming studys just this last summer. Where its top scientists paper was rebuked because it didnt carry the EPA’S stand that global warming was real.
The political shenanigans surrounding SHS/ETS go deep not only with the government and its health agencies but also to the big pharmaceutical companies and non-profit orginizations aka ACS,ALA,AHA and a meriad of others. All lobbying for smoking bans and their weapon of choise Propaganda paid for by big pharma and tax dollars. Studys made to order that second hand smoke is deadly. Take a memory note here too,over 250 studys on shs/ets have found it safe.
Yet a simple look at the chemistry shows us that its:
94% of secondary smoke is composed of water vapor and ordinary air with a minor amount of carbon dioxide.
3 % is carbon monoxide.
3 % is those supposed 4,000 chemicals to be found in tobacco smoke. Unfortunatley for the smoke free advocates these supposed chemicals are more theorized than actually found.What is found is so small to even call them threats to humans is beyond belief.Nanograms,picograms and femptograms……
(1989 Report of the Surgeon General p. 80).
Now, how odd that when we search the smoke free activists sites not one of them mentions that water vapor and air are the main components of second hand smoke. Is this just a fluke or an outright omission to further their political healthscare against the general public.
The last informative tid bit I have for you is what does OSHA have to say about all this secondhand smoke stuff.
Here is where it gets interesting,it seems John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) decided to sue OSHA to make a rule on shs/ets not that OSHA didnt want to play ball with him,its just that the scientific facts didnt back up a rule to start with.
Now for a rule to happen Osha has to send out for comments for a period of time and boy did the comments fly in, over 40,000 of them….Osha has whats called PEL’S and limits for an 8 hour period of exposure to chemicals in indoor environments…[epa is in charge of outdoor air]
This is where second hand smoke really becomes a joke,remember its nearly 94% water vapor and air…..now lets get to the facts of toxicology and dose makes the poison:
According to independent Public and Health Policy Research group, Littlewood & Fennel of Austin, Tx, on the subject of secondhand smoke……..
They did the figures for what it takes to meet all of OSHA’S minimum PEL’S on shs/ets…….Did it ever set the debate on fire.
They concluded that:
All this is in a small sealed room 9×20 and must occur in ONE HOUR.
For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes
“For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes
“Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes.
Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need to light up.
“For Hydroquinone, “only” 1250 cigarettes
For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time
The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.
So,OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :
Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)…It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.” -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec’y, OSHA, To Leroy J Pletten, PHD, July 8, 1997
WHAT! DILUTED BELOW PERMISSABLE LEVELS
By the way ASH dropped their lawsuit because OSHA was going to make a rule and that rule would have been weak and been the law of the land,meaning no smoking bans would ever have been enacted anywhere,simply because an open window or a ventilation system would have covered the rule.
Let me also tell you that the relative risk for shs/ets by the SG report of 2006 was a 1.19 ”EPA study is whats used to call it a carcinogen”……milks is a 2.43 and that glass of chlorinated water your about to drink is a 1.25 yet these things aren’t determined to be a carcinogen….The gold standard in epidemiology is a 3.0….Now had the SURGEON GENERAL included 2 other shs/ets studys the relative risk for disease from shs/ets would have been nearer a.60-.70 meaning it would have a protective effect against ever getting disease.
But,what each of us has is years and years of exposure and the knowledge that our kids all grew up around shs and generations of others,yet we are here alive not dead from a lousy 30 minute exposure to shs as stanton glantz tries to claim…..thats another story and its just as crazy as all the rest of smokefree’s claim about shs/ets.
Oh! have you heard the one about ”laugh” thirdhand smoke or third hand drinking.
Like I said their claims border beyond that of any reasonable persons commomsence.
The next time you see a healthscare claim
consider the source.Especially if it comes from a government or non profit agency!
How are we to believe any new science? As a younger person this has seriously called into judgment most scientific progress. How am I to believe other studies about smoking or heart disease now? I always thought scientists held themselves to ethics the way doctors to their oath. I suppose this may be the wakeup call I needed to question everything I was taught in school.
EX Vice president Gore lived a Charmed life. His father Senator Gore had a close association with the Industrial and Oil investor who had close ties with Stalin. Gore built his resume on endless lies. He is on many companies Board of directers because his Bull about Climate warming scared Ceos.
He should be indicted for his con job.
When a scientist who is paid by the oil companies testifies his objectivity is questioned. Why does the same standard not apply to an academic? They harbor an ideological animus against the free enterprise system.
Inhofe’s summary of what the emails reveal is accurate and succinct. The Democrats and their propaganda arm, the MSM, may obstruct the truth being revealed to the non-blogging public but eventually it will out.
1. The emails suggest some climate scientists were cooperating to obstruct the release of damaging information and counter-evidence.
2. They suggest scientists were manipulating the data to reach predetermined conclusions.
3. They show some climate scientists colluding to pressure journal editors not to publish work questioning the “consensus.”
4. They show that scientists involved in the report were assuming the role of climate activists attempting to influence public opinion while claiming scientific objectivity.
At least SOMEONE in the Senate has some testicular fortitude!
Sen Inhofe has my support.
It is hopeful that “the truth does prevail.” There was never any “scientific method” to global warming. For something to be considerd “scientific,” it must be demonstrable, over and over, with the same result every time. This is what we get, though, for allowing those who take science out of its rightful place, and make it instead a faith-based proposition. (“It’s warmer, so it’s global warming,” or “Oh, it’s colder, so it’s also global warming!” We have to save the planet from man!) Sounds like a religion, but not one that loves humanity! In science, nothing is ever settled. Yes. Laws are demonstrable, but must be constantly tested. This “global warming” scam was a vehicle to “control and tax the world.” Geologists know that the Earth’s climate has constantly changed (i.e., “climate change!”). Wow! Those at the top of this “global warming” agenda, who advanced faith-based “global warming” (or who are now telling us it’s “climate change”) must see the rest of us as stupid and ignorant, but we are not either of those.
This will not stop Obama and his liberal friends. They will still try to pass some sort of cap & trade. They will not let facts get in the way, they have to much invested in this. They still control Government and something will get passed in the name of global warming or climate change or whatever else they decide to call it. They are in control and there is not much we can do other than pay more attention to who and what you are voting for in the future.
Gee, wasn’t the Obama administration going to take the politics out science, you know, get back to that old time science, driven by facts, and the principles of double blind studies based on replication? I can’t wait to see the indictments for conspiracy to commit fraud. I’m sure Holder will jump right on it. No selective prosecution here, let the facts fall where they may. Yeah.
Mr. Martin is correct in that this is a criminal conspiracy. I think it could be subject to the RICO statues. Thees lying little climate thieves have misused our funds with glee. They have lied, manipulated data, demonized dissenters and colluded to perpetrate fraud. I don’t think they could be any more criminal than that. They should be in jail. Given the amouint of money poured into this huge fraud somebody has to go to jail Thees jackasses make Bernie Madoff look like a petty thief. Somebody need to do time in a federal facility. If they had stole this kind of money from a bank some people would want them tried with a death penalty attrached. How much have they stolen? Does the sum rise to the billions or trillions? Somebody needs to spend twenty years in jail for fraud rising to billions if not trillions of dollars. If nobody goes to jail then our President has some explaining to do and there is no way to explain that no matter how “eloquent” your speech is deemed to be. Somebody has to go to jail. Other “scientists” need to know that using grant money for fraudulent intent will land your sorry ass in jail. Al Gore must be forced to testify. In the past I knew Al Gore was lying whenever his lips moved. That giant jackass need to be to stand in front of congress and tell the truth. If Al Gore cannot man-up and tell the truth then he is going to a federal prison. It really should be that simple. I don’t know who ever thought is was a good idea to take climate advice from a failed lawyer but that was not thought through. Phil Jones and Michael Mann are in that same boat, they need to go to jail and it really is that simple. Thees people are not scientist, they are con men who should be in jail for at least a decade. Al Gore is begiining to look like a traitor that was trying to destroy our economy and he is certail=nly guilty of fraud himself.
I said years ago that this global warming business was ecological socialism…. sure enough just the other day I heard somebody say “green is the new red” How true.
You tell ‘em, Senator Inhofe!
I like the way you call a spade a spade and draw a hard line! I like even more that you do it without any unnecessary rudeness or hatred, even though you have endured a hurricane of hatred and vile words.
You are setting great example for how we can clean out this nest of vipers without stooping to their level.
Everyone knows that this scam was created by Gore, to enrivh his own companies through the trading of carbon credits and other special interests allowed him through his contacts on the hill. Anyone who has seen, known or briefly met Mr. Gore understands that he is a self serving ______, and has reaped unfounded riches by the crap he has disemminated through the public, those who profited along side him should also be questioned. But again, as we all know, nothing will happen!!!
nskipper:
A majority of American people have been asking for this investigation for several months.
You good sir are a crack pot. I am surprised someone with so few brain cells can use a computer. You want to listen to Inofe for scientific advice, the guy who though the internet was a series of tubes. People become scientists because they are nerdy and want to find the truth. They do not get paid much. If they were after money they could just become lawyers or doctors. What makes you crack pots think you know more about science then people who have spent most of their lives studying the topic. Do you people not believe in greenhouse gases? Do you not believe in molecules? Do you not believe in physics?
Gore should be investigated for Insider Trading activities; his ties to Kleiner Perkins and Goldman would be nice starting points. Few years in slammer would be good for improving his physique.
This is very good news. Of course the Democrats will oppose Senator Inhofe. However, the anger of the American people is deep and broad. Senator Inhofe’s investigation is an excellent focus for that anger. He should push ahead strongly and we should support him strongly. The Cap & Traders are driven by greed, to some degree, but they are driven primarily by communist zeal to remake the world. They must be stopped.
The libs in Congress will never let this investigation happen and the lamestream media will give it no attention. The only attention they’ll pay to it is to label anyone that questions global warming or Gore a right-wing wack job.
Just add this to the long list of lunacy on the left that gets swept under the rug.
Hey, ‘Anonymous’: try to stay on message, as per instructions of this site.
Where’s the proof on second hand smoke?: substantially increased rates of lung and other cancers in NONsmoking spouses of smokers, and in those in smoky environments (bartenders, waitresses). Other data exist, but I’ve not the time for 18 paragraph monologues. I’m going to take the high ground on this one: I’m an oncologist, and probably: you’re not. I know what I see, and I know the data.
Let’s not use this Global Warming scam—for that is what it is—to retroactively attack whatever established science or medical facts we don’t happen to like. Me? Personally, I object to gravity. Never believed in it myself—but it doesn’t MATTER what I think, because when I drop my keys, they’re going to hit the floor whether I believe it or not.
As for your right to smoke, Mr(s) Anonymous: hey, knock yourself out. I’ll be waiting.
You can simply start by going on NASA’s satellite AQUA which was launched in 2002 to monitor greenhouse gases and their effect on the atmosphere. At this juncture, there has been NONE. This global warming fiasco has been the biggest fraud on not only the American people but the world, as the old “saw” says….”follow the money”. Climate changes consistently, and let’s not forget the “ice age” of what,,some 18 or 20 years ago.
Indict Al Gore if he guilty.
“Senator Inhofe believes that Dr. Hansen and Dr. Mann should be “let go” from their posts ”
No way. These slap on the wrists re-actions is no where enough. These crooks bilked the American public our of millions in tax-payer dollars. And how much money was tranferred in “carbon trade” credits? Bennie Madoff went to prison. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg got the gas chamber. These crooks deserve somnething in between.
After the investigation is all over and the dust has settled Al Gore should be investigated! If he is found guilty of any wrong doing he should go to prison for this crap!!
But we all know that’ll never happen!
The series of ClimateGate scandals have left the IPCC report in tatters. There is now overwhelming evidence of conspiracy, collusion, and fraud. The main scientists pushing global warming have behaved like the mafia. Everyone that did not help them get more fame and money had their careers destroyed. All of the elements of crime are present. The emails clearly indicate the participants experienced mens rea (“guilty mind”) and have taken steps to cover themselves (missing data, resignations, unexplained revisions of prior rock-solid theories that were used to secure millions in funding, illegal failures to comply with information requests).
I would like Congress to ask Albert Gore one question: what on earth leads you to believe that the Earth is millions of degrees several miles below the surface? If that were the case, the Earth would incinerate the sun.
If Al Gores reporting is false, indict him.
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What an interesting use for the RICO law if only our atty gen was an honest public servent….
It’s all starting to unravel Algore. Pretty soon the indictments will come. Then as you are getting pounded in prison like the biatch you are, the civil suits will come forward and you will lose all those billions of dollars you scammed from the world. And when you get out of prison you’ll be the same guy you are right now. A bum. Can I have your Oscar?
The question is not whether the senate will investigate it is whether we the people can be HEARD. We have a first amendment right. It is to petition for grievances. That is we have a right to be heard and answered by all branches of government when a proper grievance is filed. The only limitation is that it can not be an instrument of contempt and foul language or bad manners. The facts must appear as proper legal challenges. Well, there are a growing number of lawsuits thwarted by the courts as well as congress and the president and it is not something that has just occurred but has been bred by the government for many years. The issue is “standing”. I ask you three simple questions which require knowledge of the principles of our constitution and the rights of all citizens.
Three questions about the peoples right or duty to hold government accountable in our republic.
Do the people have the right to not just file a proper grievance but to be heard as well?
The venue for such grievances, legislative, executive or judicial, ought to be determined by the policy or law cited, civil or constitutional should it not?
Whether the individual branch appealed to determines the appellant to have “standing” should not be a bar to the other branch from hearing it but a mandate shouldn’t it?
Without this power, the right to petition for redress of grievance, the people are removed from all influence but by ballot which creates nothing but a pure democracy which was not the intended function of the people, governed by consent, laid out by the founders.
The hypocricy and and out and out lies of the Global Warming crowd are finally and thankfully being exposed for what they are. These elites ultimately want to exterminate the unwashed masses that are poluting their precious world as the Godless Al Gore owns his multiple mansions and flies around in private jets.
All I know is that I recycle more in one month then Mr. ManBearPig has in his entire life. We need to conserve energy and our resources in a reasonable way and we will be fine. We don’t need to be taxed to death by Cap and Trade and all of this other climate change nonsense.
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Wow, smoking skeptic, science skeptic with the climate skeptics–I guess the flat-earthers couldn’t figure out the internets.
Looking out at the vines that have moved north to choke the trees in my backyard down to my office where I have had to wade in chest high water to get to, I chuckle at your naivete as you still do hit the main point totally correctly.
And by accident since the main point is a Really Big Target—Yeah, the climate folk are corrupt and dishonest.
The real proof isn’t the climate crap you put here, but that nobody is doing climate correction that you would like (and that would be at least as effective but wouldn’t give money to those in power):
1) reforestation especially in the third world.
2) carbon sequestration by getting the soil back in large percentages of the world including in formerly overgrazed areas in the larger DC area.
3) better control of carbon in poop of humans and herds.
4) replacing oil–or do you really want lots more money going to Hugo Chavez and Iran ?
Both sides are using simple phrases on you people like a cat toy and you always leap.
Senator Inhofe, while you’re at it, please return all the tax money the government stole from me for “climate-change/global warming”. If you have to, confiscate it from the liar and eco-terrorist Gore.
10.Anonymous: Super interesting read..a real eyeopener. Just about everything the government involves itself in is for profit only, not for the good of the people.
As an engineer involved in industrial manufacturing plant and power plant design and construction, I can attest on a personal level to the human scale damage that has been caused by these alarmists in pursuit of profits and power. I hope that any proceedings do not ignore the implications of their collaberation in an international plot to wrest control from nationally elected governments. This is treason, pure and simple.
Their conspiracy has cost me personally, a lot of money, but this pales in comparison to the harm they have attempted to do to my country.
If they had their way, we would now be further financing the building of Chinese manufacturing capacity even as we starved our own people through loss of employment and onerous taxes on living staples like food.
Financial restitution for all of this – certainly. However, long prison terms should not be entireley out of the question either.
It’s Piltdown Man all over again. Chasing bogus science while real science suffers.
This is a massive fraud that will make the Bernie Madoff crimes look like jaywalking infractions. Gore and the IPCC should forfeit their ill-gotten Nobel Prize and any monies received from it.
Al Gore, Phil Jones, and the head of the IPCC, to name a few, should be indicted and put on trial for perpetrating this giant Ponzi scheme.
OUR FOUNDER never much cared for Sen. Inhofe. http://www.FATBOY.cc
New Era Begins Says: “The “belief” in global warming leads to a conservation of oil, right? And oil is a finite resource which inhabits a world with infinite growth.
Sounds like a fancy way to ration a limited resource. Hmm…”
That’s one point of view, but how about all the gazillion tons of coal we have at home we’re not allowed to use? Hmm..
Senator Inhofe is one of the few in Washington who are truly acting in the interest of the people. His efforts are only the beginning of uncovering the truth that Al Gore and others want suppressed in order to establish their new green world order, with our necks under their Birkenstocks.
There is much work to be done to reverse the damage that radical environmentalism has wrought on our economy and the minds of our children.
If Al Gore is found to have lied, does he have to give all the money back?
REMEMBER THIS:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-conyers/karl-rove-the-white-house_b_111952.html
What goes around.
In the minds of generations of children science has taken a serious blow. Science will always be seen as bogus… from now on. And right it should. The rule of science… to prove a theorem… you must do everything possible to DISPROVE it. Our scientists lied. Our government lied and even persecuted those who knew the lie and tried to speak out. Many lost government funding while many others lost solid careers… all because they knew man-made global warming was bogus and made their voice heard. Science will be known as science FICTION from now on. The damage is done and unfixable. The scrutiny will ALWAYS exist!
The only way to fix our government now is with an apocalyptic catastrophe!
I have nothing against reducing pollution, but not at the expense of our country’s economy. If indeed this is all proved to be a scam, Algore should not only be prosecuted for fraud, jailed and forced to pay restitution to businesses and taxpayers, he should also be stripped of his Peace Prize, which was based on total lies!
How about: Inhofe for President 2010! I think I like this guy…
Seems to be one of the only Senators remaining to buck the globalist elite…
Gore should be brought up on charges, along with Obama and the influence peddling done by GE, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and others. This is a major fraud and the science is not settled. When they supress dissent it is a sure sign of fraud. Just remember this, 500 years ago EVERYONE knew the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth, and the science was settled then too………History has the lessons for us all.
@Jeff
Now is the time to question! However, start reading about how great this country once was in the advancement of science. Don’t become cynical…but question…as someone once said…’with boldness.’
It is now up to your generation to undo some of the things my generation has done…but whatever you do, do it with integrity…it is sorely missing in this great land right now…
Jeff #11, welcome to adulthood. Scientists are no more altruistic than anybody else. The climate scam is a lot like the real estate scam and crash we are going through. Same motivations. Same pyramid scheme.
Wah-Hoo! Sanity prevails! The Gorical’s lies finally chase him down like hound-dogs on a felony flyer. Baaaroooo….
First – identify ALL legislation relating to `global warming’ and `climate change’ taxes and immediately repeal. Second – Subpoena al `the conman’ gore before congress and grill the crap out of him – confiscate his Nobel peace prize and compel him to repay every cent. Third – confiscate all assets he has accumulated from his bogus and phony claims he sold to political to his allies. Fourth – identify all of his cohorts in crime who helped pass these phony `tax the public and industry’ for their own selfish benefits and take them before congress for a true smack down!
Al Gore needs to go to prison, as do the other climate scammers. Where he can watch reruns of his dumb movie on a prison TV set.
What is tragic is that the scientists are getting attacked. The real devil in all this is the media. The media started this ‘global warming religion’. And, the media is still pushing it, e.g. NYT. Many politicians go along with it for their own gain.
Yes … some scientists also went along for their own gain. But, it was the media that chose Mann, Hansen, Jones as their hero and called e.g. so-called skeptic Lindzen a liar bought out by the oil industry. Who at the NYT decided that Gore is a ‘priest’ in this new religion while Lindzen is a bought out devil?
In the end, the media will keep making more and more money off of GW, while the scientists will pay for it.
Tragic! Senator Inhofe should go after NYT/WaPo etc… They are the ones behind the terrible damages that this GW religion has caused.
Carbon Dioxide is what plants use to create the food we eat and the air we breathe. That’s a pollutant? Let’s replant all of the forests that we have destroyed over the last two hundred years on this planet and let them do what they evolved to do. And while we are at it, somebody find out where Al Gore is hiding and drag him out of his rat hole and make him explain all the lies.
Sen. Boxer and I will be doing a http://www.LIVESHOT.cc on CNN today, refuting these claims.
Global Warming (aka Climate Change) is a religion and how many people do you know who have renounced their religion? This whole movement is reminiscent of the medieval inquisitions.
To the Progressives, it doesn’t really matter if global warming is a hoax or not. They will soon be forced to admit it as has the rest of the world, but will impudently look you in the eye and say: who cares if it’s real or not??, shut up and do as you are damn well told, you peon! It will take civil disobedience and a street uprising to stop this totalitarianism. Will Obama fire on the insurgents as his friends the mullaha did in Iran? He may give the order, but it won’t be carried out by the military who just may arrest Obama in the oval office for issuing illegal orders. Progressives WILL NOT non-violently relinquish control.
I will use Algore’s own words
HE LIED TO US! HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!
Algore should be charged with fraud.
@9. BC: – You know…
… acting as though Keith Olbermann is something other than just a hyperventilating, fact-challenged, apoplectic, malicious, partisan hack is a big part of what destroyed your cause.
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The Democrats’ so-called “leadership” would be wise to embrace this investigation, rather than sticking their heads in the sand on this the way The Left Wing Media has done. At least right now, they have the ability to somewhat control the outcome. In November all bets are off, and they know it. The rats are already fleeing the sinking ship.
Whether this investigation goes forward now or later, this action turns on the kitchen light that will flush out the rest of the cockroaches in the scientific community, who’ve been quietly going along with the bogus “consensus” in the hopes of catching some grant money falling out of that $80B that was tucked into the Spendulus to “fight” AGW. Again, whether it’s now or next year, once pursued, this opens the door for civil suits, State-level lawsuits and all manner of other fact-finding processes which, as we now know, the AGW catechism can not survive.
Game Over.
Yes Jeff, you must question everything. Most of what you have been taught about everything is loaded with someones advocacy. Everything you have been taught including everything you have not been taught has been to further that advocacy. The subjects most in question are Scienceand History. Almost all the subjects you have been taught are biased. What is criminal is what is not taught.
If you don’t believe smoking damages the human body, then go ahead and smoke. Don’t believe all the cardiologists who say cigarettes and fast food give them job security. Don’t believe the dermatologists who say smoking accelerates the aging of the skin and makes young women look middle-aged, and middle-aged women look old. Don’t believe the urologists who say smoking destroys the pudendal arteries and makes men impotent. Maybe you ought to ask the wives of smokers in their 40s and 50s. Keep telling yourself that the early deaths of Humphrey Bogart, Sammy Davis, Peter Jennings, and so many other heavy smokers were just coincidence, and that smoking had nothing to do with it. It’s all just a big lie. It’s all made up. Yeah, go ahead and smoke. it won’t hurt you.
It took equal parts of “big” government, “big” media, “big” accadamia, and “big” science to pull off this scam (and the Global Warming scam). I hold them all responsible. If I had to pick only one, it would be “BIG” Accadamia. They have put the lie to the lie. What Arrogance! Don’t believe any of them about anything!
How could a political dolt like Gore ever become the point man on something scientific? Yes he should be hauled before Congress to explain all the lies in his movie. Yes, having these hearings is something the GOP needs to run on in Nov. This and where the TARP and stimulus money has gone.Obama continues to shovel billions out on alternative energy when there’s only a handful of people actually research it, the rest of the money goes to his fat cat donors.
If in fact this does come to pass and charges are brought to pass. It would be a milestone in American and world history. Convicting a former U.S. Vice Presedent wow !
I just wonder if they have any Minimum Security Prisons in Alaska? You know the kind where you can go outside more often, play racket ball, recieve visitors often, book interviews and the like. You know somewhere at the very top of Alaska where the Glasiers are melting the worst, it only would seem right.
Mega-polar bear dittos senator!
The putrid stench passed off as “Law Enforcement” enables this swill. Thank them if you wish. Or curse them for what they’ve done to this country. The choice is yours. For now, anyway.
Al Gore belongs in prison. This award winning Nobel prize winner is a classic con man and fraud who misled the nation and world using his connections with falsified information and all to make himself rich. He is a traitor of the worst kind because the end result will hurt conservation efforts that are legitimate. Alfred Nobel would cringe and should if he were alive at the politicization of his once famous prize..now a source of ridicule and humor.
Poor Jeff is 100% right and the sad thing is the VAST majority of people have the wool over their eyes and few tools to remove it. I was lucky to grow up the son of an anatomist and human development researcher and had the chemistry and biology based knowledge that rang bells for me on most of this baloney. (I was at first suckered by the global warming thing until the claims started getting ridiculous and my curiosity and subsequent investigation into the underlying science revealed the abject lack of same) My father railed at the “science” behind too much sugar, too much butter, too much of most anything, all being researched in labs like the ones next to him with people desperate to publish to survive in that environment, all you need to add to that mix is opportunistic politicians and this is the junk science you get and are taught by the federal education machine. Unfortunately I have three siblings and this knowledge didn’t seep in, they are still scared of global warming. Boy this collapse and hopefully core reset can’t happen soon enough for me. Jeff the information is out there, you may need to dig a little and think clearly but truth always has a way of outing, study up!
The real issue is that Al Gore, the sore loser, and his ilk are attempting to usurp some sort of quasi-political power without being elected.
Q:What is the first line of dialogue for “Inconvenient Truth”?…..
A:”Hi, I’m Al Gore, and I used to be the next president of the United States”(in a sarcastic tone)
Gee, I guess we can tell what it’s all about for him.
This is far, far bigger than Enron. Algore is the new Ted Kennedy – getting away with virtual “murder” and enriching himself beyond anyones wildest imagination – how can you place a dollar value on the misery and anger he has put our nation through over the past 15 years? (OK, his whole life has been a lie, but we’ll leave that and just address his latest Global warming hoax)
How many Billions has he bilked countries, businesses and individuals out of? what has his “Carbon Footprint” been on our economy?
He should be put away permanently as an environmental terrorist in GITMO.
For those that don’t know about history .. Here is a condensed version:
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter..
The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals, and
2. Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided. Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get something for nothing.
Here ends today’s lesson in world history:
It must suck to be Al Gore.
I think it’s time for a major class action suit. Hit ‘em deep and hit ‘em hard.
“The “belief” in global warming leads to a conservation of oil, right? And oil is a finite resource which inhabits a world with infinite growth.
Sounds like a fancy way to ration a limited resource. Hmm…”
I have been criticized in the past for my speaking of the fact that the US is sitting on it’s oil reserves awaiting the the last gurgle from the middle east crude ponds. By which time bot the US and Cnada will have perfected the removal of oil from shale and sands that make it profitable.
The US is of course under the direction of a larger economically inspired group, working to rid the world of South American oil reserves as well by supporting their drilling eforts.
And, during the inerim, the US, Canada, and Mexico are seeking a tri-lateral Union to conjoin and protect their oil reserves in the name of environmental protection. And at the same time develop into one larger economy much like the failing European Union.
Algore is part and parcel with all of this within the support group of the UN. To take down Algore, the UN too must crumble and with it the next step in world economy. This of course is a good thing, becaiuse with I believe, we take down this new found socialism.
Jeff: distrust politicized science, which unfortunately includes most medical science. Learn which fields aren’t so politicized, and how to judge those fields that are.
You see, the Dinosaurs went extinct because the Dinosaur President failed to tax the other dinosaur’s exhaled breath and farts.
The Dino congress didnt pass emission standards on the Swamps, volcanoes, earthquakes, natural gas upwellings, and fissures throughout the planet.
DONT LET HISTORY REPEAT PEOPLE!
Just one more reason to make sure that this November the republicans retake the congressional majority. Then watch the fur fly….
The scientists have known for years, the science itself has never added up. That’s what movies like the great global warming swindle discussed years and years ago.
http://thebrownspectator.com/great-global-warming-swindle-movie-review/
It’s all Bush’s fault. He stole my job. A guy has a right to earn a living.
Back to my rathole I go.
Enjoy the snow!
Let’s face it, if “global warming” or “climate change” were real, do you think Al Gore would be flying around in his private jet? Would he live in a house that uses more energy in a month than most homes do in a year? Heck no! If Gore truly believed in this he would be living an Amish lifestyle. Seems like he knows something we don’t know…
Good Luck Sen. Inhofe, but the true “Deniers” are not going to give in to your requests. It will be an admission of culpability in this massive fraud and they know it. As to AlGore, I truly believe his day in the dock is not far away trying to explain his role in this climate lie and the financial fraud (carbon credits)that have made him a very wealthy man. Poor Al, he can’t help it, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Fuzzy Al Gore-rithms – A Haiku:
http://haikme.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/fuzzy-al-gore-rithms/
9. BC:
You know, acting as though Inhofe is something other than just a malicious idiot is not going to help your cause.
Well golly gee beav, we can both play that game. Here’s a little compilation of quotes from several people that belong to the party of Marx, supported the war and also believed there were huge caches of WMD’s in Iraq. And perhaps you’ve forgotten that the military did, in fact, come across small caches of chemical weapons. Perhaps you’ve also forgotten when we finally liberated the country the mahooosive amounts of materials that indicate Saddam was maintaining the CAPACITY to immeidately ramp up production of those weappons.
Here, let Hillary Clinton’s words echo through history since you are unable to process anything that doesn’t come from one of your gods.
“He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
You’ve been PWNED again.
What this Climategate investigation needs is a sex scandal.
Doesn’t have to rise to the level of Tiger Woods. Or maybe some
tax evasions similar to Charlie Rangel or Wesley Snipes. Or maybe a money investment fraud scheme like Madoff. Just get add some excitement to the drama. But with ALgore as a frontrunner for Climategate, I see 2 out of 3 above mentioned….too bad, it would have made a great movie.
Congress should also look into whether organizations like PBS are receiving public funding while continuing to broadcast programming which perpetuates the AGW lies/myths.
To this very day, you can still tune into shows like NATURE and listen to a bunch of ‘scientists’ talk about receding glaciers, rising sea levels, etc. There was even an entire show about the Maldives sinking into the ocean. What a joke now!
And I’ll defer any comments about all the racist programming PBS is spewing over the air for another day.
refer to post #23.
The senate must have a majority to implement any action, the same for the house. Wake up before it is too late. We are into this debate only because the only real check we have on power has been canceled by the courts. There is no constitutional law without access to the courts to force compliance. This nation is so close to tyranny that all it will take now is a little time for the powers that be to address a populist mob and allow them to have at anyone in dissent. If you think for an instant it can’t happen just look around the globe, look at history and look at the people around this Obama figure.
This is less about climate than it is about the ability of powerful people to subdue the truth and close the courts.
Wealth needs to be stripped from these snake oil salesmen. Gore needs to go to prison and his family should be left in abject poverty. That is the only way to deal with fraud on the scale we see with this Global Warming crap. That along with the bankers of the world! TPTB if you will….
I can’t think of a better candidate for the old tar and feather technique than the snake-oil salesman enviro-evangelist Al Gore. Then take all his money and all the money of the carbon credit cabalists and apply it towards the deficit.
What many of us would like to know is….. What did he REALLY know and when did he know it? How long did he hope to continue this charade? And…..why didn’t the Committee who bestowed him with such a prestigeous honor not do some background checking? Somewhere, somehow, still lurks the bottom line of how this hoax was begun and further perpetrated on the airwaves.
Al Gore should come before the public and take responsibility for his part in this scandal and held accountable for any laws broken. No one is above the law. We shall see.
all self respecting scientists should demand a full un-biased investigation into this manipulation,dare I say -scientific look at what went on.Better yet-where are the journalists,since those who would investigate are invested in this giant scam.
Al Gore must be eager to testify before Congress to clear up this huge misunderstanding about the climate. Whatever minor flaws may exist in some of the climate science, I’m sure Al could set us all straight with another compelling power point presentation. Come on, Al! Where are you when the polar bears need you most? Fuel up that private jet of yours and get to Washington. The fate of the planet rests on your enourmous shoulder pads.
This conspiracy against freedom is reaching its 40-th birthday.
1) It started with the global cooling scam in the 1970′s;
2) With no cooling during 25 years,it continued with the global warming hoax in the 1990′s;
3) After 15 years of no warming it transformed itself into the climare change flimflam; and finally
4) Now we are faced with the cap & trade power grab.
All designed by government-paid drones and pushed by far-left politicians and eco-nazis.
The chances of the DOJ prosecuting are nill.They are still a wholly owned subsidary of the Clintons.
Tar and feather him, and the cons in congress who stole money from the citizens to push their lies and brainwash people!
Question authority- question teachers, question textbooks! They all push the leftist agenda. Follow the money trail and you’ll find that leftists and Saudis pull lots of strings on pushing political correctness, and lies about islam being peaceful- in addition to environmental misinformation that just allows them to gain more power and control over the populace. Read the rules for radicals, communist agenda, and look at some of the things the socialists, including Hitler, did “for the good of the people” like outlawing home-schooling. Chuck Norris does a great job in presenting some of this in Black-Belt Patriotism. I highly encourage everyone to read it.
) There was first in the 1970′s the global cooling scam (see e.g. Newsweek April 28 1975 on the Internet); the government-paid scientists (90% of them are rejects of private enterprise) recommended to fight the new ice age by sending our war planes to cover the polar ice with soot in order to increase solar heat and so prevent crushing of New York skyscrapers by the new glaciers;
2) When that did not work we had the global warming hoax in the 1990′s, proclaimed by mainly the same government-paid scientists (Dr. Hansen of the NOAA, for example); to prevent the massive heating, fires, flooding of coastal cities, disappearance of Florida, California, and Caribbean islands, massive hurricanes, global famine, and other catastrophic events we should nationalize oil and gas and coal and electricity companies;
3) after 11 years of considerable cooling we are now faced with the climate change flimflam where whatever happens with our climate we should nationalize oil and gas and coal and electricity companies; and why not our banks, car and insurance companies while we are at it. To prevent this catastrophe the best vehicle presumably is international agreements enforced by the United Nations world government.
As for the influence of carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas: on a normal day the atmosphere contains 20,000 ppm (parts per million) of water vapor and about 300 ppm of carbon dioxide. The government-paid scientists say that an increase of 100 ppm of CO2 over the next 50 years will result in a catastrophic warming. The thermal absorptivity of water vapor is 4 times larger than that of carbon dioxide; it follows that the CO2 increase will increase the overall thermal absorptivity of the mixture by about 1/8 of one percent. The production of methane from livestock flatulence and the rotting swamps (called “wetlands” by the environmentalists) vastly surpasses the influence of human-produced CO2.
There is the Global Warming Petition Project (see Internet) where 31,478 US independent scientists declared that there is no anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming; of these 9,029 are scientists with PhD degrees. Our environmentalists tried to sabotage this effort by submiiting phony names with phoney degrees – and then claimed the whole effort by the Petition scientists was a fraud. It took us 3 years and a lot of private money to verify the credentials of all the signatories and clean up the Petition of those saboteurs. See also Manhattan Declaration with more such signatories, plus a large number of scientific groups from other countries who state the same.
I am one of these signatories, MS and PhD degrees from UCLA, with majors in thermodynamics and heat & mass transfer.
I think to fight this communist attempt to secure a permanent hold on power should not be fought on the narrow grounds of more taxes – that is the losing proposition; where about 50% of the population is on some kind of welfare we will always be outvoted. The battle should be fought and won on the firm scientific basis.
4) And now we have “cap&trade” power grab.
SCAM – HOAX – FLIMFLAM – POWER GRAB!!!
Right on, Senator. For some time, it has seemed as though Inhofe is the only Senator we have. We need more Congressmen with technical backgrounds. As bad a Jimmy Carter was, his technical background led him to stop wasting petroleum in industrial and utility boilers. Now, we are back to falling for the hype and burning natural gas, probably to get the price up.
I hate CURLY LIGHT BULBS
This was never about saving the planet. This is about saving the budgets of the US and Britain from collapse. With cap and trade and healthcare under state control they have enough money to keep their socialist dream solvent for a few more years. At most this is only a delaying tactic.
well it sure didn’t take long to put the lie to “drain the swamp”.
What may not be fully understood is all of science is on trail, and they need to stand for truth, not research grants.
I suggest with what we now know about the scam, watch the Al Gore movie trailer.
Most “climate scientists” are at the bottom of the barrel – low grades, unable to land a real job in industry, so they stay in academia or end up in government agencies like EPA and OSHA, fighting for grants, and cooking the data to keep the money coming. Misguided souls, like Brian N., who would actually trust the statements of these “scientists,” are colossal fools, and should check with their phrenologists and astrologers before accepting the word of climate “scientists” and their attempts at social engineering.
I personally don’t believe in the global warming miff. But let’s assume in part it’s true and does present some potential harm to our environment. I ask a question, “Can global warming only have negative impact on the environment?” My belief is there exists positive impacts also. Where are those research studies? Do they exist? Do the positives out weigh the negatives?
You CAN’T spell LIBERALISM without L-I-E-S – http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/mjk.htm
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The Democrats will stonewall the investigation as long as they can. However, there are other issues that arise from the Democrats stonewalling the investigation and with using the EPA’s implementation of carbon regulation. This makes the Democrats accomplishes with those that have violated Federal laws knowingly in obstructing Congress. Those Democrats that join with the Republicans in the prosecutuion of those guilty of Federal laws will survuve the coming hellstorm in November that will see the Democrats fall from power. After the November elections, look for criminal investigations and prosecutions of those that have knowly joined with the scientists that perpetuated this scandal if the Democrats block this investigation.
The AGW true believers know they have lost the argument so the are drawing a false analogy between tobacco and CO2.
Unless there is a miracle and a star in the East..it won’t happen
The only “downfall” of Gore will be if the public does not go to his speeches and rallies..nothing else will happen to this man. He could not get political power, so he went for private money power and his success was astronomical.
America, and the world, need to chastise this man and these people.
However, there are the diehards. They “want” to believe in global warming, “just because”..
I would love to see a trail, congressional whatever..but….better find that star…
Maybe some Dems. on board? Of course they are from the evil coal and oil states.
http://www.cleanskies.com/articles/rockefeller-leads-dems-push-against-epa-regs
Brian N.
What hole have you been hiding in, there have been billions of dollars spent on this farse!
Every single thing they have hung thier global warming hats on is now proven false or no more than opionion.
Polar Bear? Nope they are fine more of them than ever.
Ice caps? Nope more ice coverage than in 1970.
Rain forests? Nope, that was opinion as well.
Temperatures? Nope, no change since 1995…
Computer Models? Nope, they cant predict the past let alone the future.
Glaciers melting? Nope, just a lie to pressure politics.
CO2 is bad? Man made CO2 only accounts for about one tenth of one percent of the green house effect and has a diminishing effect the more you add.
So where is that science you believe in so much. There isnt any!
Open letter to Al Gore.
Dear Sir,
You should be ashamed of yourself for propagating an alarmist theory which has no base in reality whatsoever.
Because of irresponsible people like you, some children don`t want to do their home work or even go to school, because “what is the point, we are all going to die soon from global warming”!
Millions of children allover the world from kindergarden to highschools and universities have been brain washed by your shameless propaganda,to the point that they feel their very lives are putting the planet in danger.
But people have already waken up and see this whole thing for what it is, meaning a total fraud, an international effort of power and money grabbing based on the marxist concept of “wealth redistribution”.
On April 28 1975 Time magazine had on its front cover the title GLOBAL COOLING!!, with an article, signed by climate scientists, concluding that the Earth is cooling to the point it will all be covered in ice and all living creatures will die of freezing.
After a few years, when it obviously turned out that such a theory was nonsense, the so called climate scientists, in their quest for government grants, have invented a new fantasy, that of global warming……the world is warming due to us, human beings and we are all going to die unless we give up all of our liberties to one big world government which is going to regulate every single aspect of our lives, how many times to flush our toilets, what kind of cars to drive, where, for what reason and how far, how many children to have , what kind of food to eat, etc.
In 1992 Al Gore said that “the time for a debate is over, the science is settled”…..
This obviously is a lie for the time for a debate is never over and the science is far from being settled.
Science my dear sir, does not work as a democracy , meaning that in science, the majority does not rule as it does in a democracy.
If 1000 scientists have a debate and 999 of them agree on the subject, but only one of them disagree, it may very well turn out , as it has so many times in history, that the lone scientist is the only one that is right.
I could give you many examples, such as that of Charles Darwin.
When he first presented his theory of the evolution of species, all the scientists laughed at him and ridiculed him…in the end he was right and they were wrong.
When Galileo said the Earth is spinning, the rest of the scientists accused him of heresy…but it turned out he was right and they were all wrong.
After 15 years of advancing a false theory based on fraudulent data, the “scientists” noticed that the planet is not warming, but is actually cooling, so they changed the name of their theory yet again from global warming to “Climate Change”, just in case, to have all possibilities covered.
Soon, my dear sir the whole thing will be unequivocally exposed for a premeditated fraud.
People like yourself will then be held responsible for the enormous psychological, social and financial damage that your actions have caused.
Just like when a doctor who gives out the wrong diagnosis and causes harm to the patient as a result, just like in such a case the doctor has the license suspended and has to pay damages or even go to prison, people like you will soon face the consequences of the lies you have imposed on the world for so many years.
There must be parents out there whose children have suffered mental trauma because of this great scam.
All these parents should get together and get a pit bull of a lawyer to file a class action law suit in a civil court and take the global warming crooks to the cleaners.
TExas firefighter, that is awesome
Texas Firefighter, here is my lesson for the day, you are an idiot. You do realized that without liberal intellectuals you would have not have a computer. What have you added to society as a whole? Also, I think most people do not understand that scientist differ. Just because scientist think different things does not mean one of them is conspiring against the world. Trying to discover how extra green house gases will effect the entire face of the earth is a complicated matter. If you really think pumping co2 into air is having no effects look at the increased acidification of the oceans. I believe that is a simple enough concept for most of you, and the number for that are quite clear.
To CJ: No, you can’t play that game — you guys seriously have no idea of the extent to which Bush and his people lied, lied, lied about everything and anything involving Iraq. While there were more than a few red flags that they weren’t exactly being entirely truthful, don’t forget all the lingering fear and anxiety generated by 9/11, and also you would like to think that in times of national crisis you can have *some* faith and trust in your President.
All of which has nothing to do with Inhofe being a friggin idiot.
Asking Obama and the rest of the Democrats to investigate the climate change fraud is a fool’s errand.They are all hip deep in it.A comprehensive criminal investigation should ensue when we are rid of them though
But, but, Algore says the science is settled. Looks like his lighter than air theories have settled.
Mr. Wee Wee sez YOU GO GIRL and GET BEHIND BARCK.
Al Gore invented and can control the universe! He is Ming, the all-powerful…… Music by Queen
Boorrring. I enter the point: If the Obama Admin. buries this cross examination, then Gore, AGW and their agenda gains another card in the house of cards they’ve built and are now trying to hedge up. The left is exposed again. They’re running for cover using their old methods: Accuse those who are against them of the very crime(s) that they are guilty of to draw off fire against themselves. In other words, blame: Bush, republicans, conservatives, libertarians, Christians, or any other non-aligned-to-the(ir)-left group they can demonize. Just more gallimaufry that they use to stand on until they’re “discovered” – again. Gee whiz, wake up, get crazy and take responsibility for it. Your opposition can’t.
Al Gore; what did he know and when did he know it?
It will be a cold day in Hellsbells before the Democrats prosecute or even investigate anyone. But Senator Inhofe is right to raise as much noise as possible about this. Meanwhile, let the lawsuits begin. It doesn’t take congressional or DOJ action for that.
Brian N – you called Texas Firefighter an “idiot”. That is an ad hominem attack in direct violation of posting guideline #3.
You seem to have a problem with following even the most basic rules.
Notably, many of your kind behave the same way.
Al Gore and the enviro-liars want us to believe the Earth is a TERRARIUM that we have to pay them to live in. If there’s anyone we DON’T need making decisions for us, it’s people who study the behavior of GASES for a living.
Follow the money trail. Gore stands to make billions off of the Cap and Tax legislation. Investigate and indict.
Come on people!Let’s not let science get in the way of politics.Even if Gore appeared for a hearing, would expect honesty from the man who says he invented the internet or was raised on the ‘look for the union label’ song sung by his mother years before the song was written? We need an impartial, if you can find one, group of scientists to review all the “global change’ data to determine any truth. Politics should never be part of science. The global change snow ball rolling down the hill has only been slowed down. This administration will try to get it back on track using the bully pulpit of the President and the powers he has over agencies that can damage our economy in the name of science. He can do enough damage without Congress.
Dang, BC—that frustration quotient over your president being such a failure and your inability to accept it has reached record levels. I’m curious as to how many mirrors you have attached to yourself so you can try and allay your embarrassment by constantly looking back and doing the ol’ blame Bush shuffle (whew, there’s something unique). As to looking into criminal charges for the global warming con men—BRAVO!
To #112 ang, thank you. To #113 Brian N, kiss my grits. Not all intellectuals are libturds like you. You must be one of those girlie-men who hide behind your mother’s skirt. What have I added to society to as a whole? Let’s see for starter’s, how many lives have I saved in 13 years of volunteer firefighting; more than you will ever in your lifetime? Secondly, I started a business 18 years ago and have made many men and women very successful. They have been able to support their families, pay taxes, buy homes, and support slugs like you who dole off the welfare roles. My family is very environmentally conscience; we recycle, reduce our carbon footprint, have weatherized our home,
and respect our planet. I guess my history lesson hit a raw nerve, too bad.
There is a chance that the democrat controlled Congress and Senate will go along with these investigations.
They can see the writing on the wall that the democrat majority is in peril.
There are a large number of centrist democrats that may want to survive the coming slaughter.
‘Brain’ N.,
Acidity of our oceans? Liberals inventing computers? You a graduate of Bulbous Gore School of Theology and Emissions, are you not?
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BC,
I don’t want to add to your Keith Olbermann vast table of fun facts, but you need to add this one to the list. My Senator J. Mountain Inhofe presides over a state where your messiah of hope and change won ’0′bama counties out of 77 – Bomba was about as popular as the plague back in 2008, and things have gone downhill ever since.
And after the abysmal first year as President, my state looking more prescient as each day passes.
Senator Inhofe, like the other yeomen Congressmen and Senators like Mike Pence, Tom Coburn, Jim Demint, Paul Ryan, Michelle Bachmann, and other Conservative legislators need to be applauded and commended for standing up to the tsunami of insane policies coming out of this lunatic Administration and their co-asylum inhabitants in Congress (thinking Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer, et al). Other sane Senators and Congressmen must do the same kind of work as Sen. Inhofe has done in formally using legal, legislative and regulatory methods to challenge every single radical and unconstitutional policy being pushed by this Administration – whether it’s cap-and-trade, “health care reform”, granting civilian trials to foreign enemy combatants in Article 3 courts, prosecuting dedicated CIA officers following orders in interrogating terrorists, or taking over banks and auto companies. It is tedious and laborious work, but the legality of all of these policies must be challenged, and demands for investigations and prosecutions must be brought wherever evidence of fraud exists. Sadly, it would probably take a half million investigators and prosecutors to take on all this work by the time this Administration is done. But done it must be.
Senator Inhofe you’re one of the few US Senators that not only has guts and ethics, but you are also one of the very few that has the most important attribute a person can have which is honesty. I’m glad the Pelosi’s and Gore’s of the world don’t scare you. It takes a special type of person willing to fight back and call out these liars like Gore and Pelosi. God will reward you one day for being honest. Oklahoman’s don’t realize how lucky they are to have both you and Senator Coburn as their US Senators. May God continue to watch over you and take good care of you so the truth is no longer kept from the American people.
The entire science of Global Warming and Climate Change has been dry-labbed: To dry lab is to use a computer to supply fictional (yet plausible) results in lieu of performing an assigned experiment. Only recently (the last 30 years) has dry-labing been made respectable. Because software models are so much cheaper to design than a comprehensive physical experiment, computer modeling is substituted for real experiments; hence, universities now love the dry lab. It is sad that so many of our current crop of PhDs have grown up thinking computer models are viable substitute for the real world results. In the old days of scientific discovery, dry labbing was grounds for a failing grade not a doctorate. The dry-labs of AGW also deserve a failing grade. Truly AGW is nothing more than GIGO.
Why aren’t Senators asking for criminal investigations into the Obama administration for Bribery, illegally influencing of Federal elected officials, etc.?
I am sure the new boy from Mass. just received a package for his YES vote for the 2nd Stimulous bill just passed by Reid.
The same corruption of so-called “science” of global warming exists in the “science” of evolution… it’s all a fraud, perpetuated by corrupt ideologues. When is the public going to realize how Satan uses “science” to further his purposes.
Let’s step beyond adolescent name calling, address the factuals…
Recent coolings reports, admitted shaded data influences, enormous
impacting, more…Bush bashing also is yesterdays news…Transparency is more current, important….Enormous consequences on the table which demands re-evaluations.
Take the blinders off, follow the money….
These scientist have violated our trust in them to tell the truth.
But what is new, remember the scientist Charles Darwin, he wrote up a theory , that is taught in every science class from 1st grade to a PHD. And they are still looking for the “missing link”.
I have not been puting my trust in (sicence) for over 41years now. I believe that these guys are inspired by the FATHER OF LIARS.
JD
The entire science of Global Warming and Climate Change has been dry-labbed: To dry lab is to use a computer to supply fictional (yet plausible) results in lieu of performing an assigned experiment. Only recently (the last 30 years) has dry-labing been made respectable. Because software models are so much cheaper to design than a comprehensive physical experiment, computer modeling is substituted for real experiments; hence, universities now love the dry lab. It is sad that so many of our current crop of PhDs have grown up thinking that computer models are a viable substitute for the real world results. In the old days of scientific discovery, dry labbing was grounds for a failing grade not a doctorate. The dry-labs of AGW also deserve a failing grade. Truly AGW is nothing more than GIGO.
I hate science… everyone knows that the world is only 7,000 years old, dinosaurs never existed but are plaster molds planted in the ground by these climate change fanatics and Steven Speilberg so he can make science fiction movies,the human species magically appeared on earth and that the world is flat. Observable evidence is highly overreated! I choose to ignore scientific evidence and instead support abandoning the ability to reason for wasting time developing conspiracy theories with no logical backing…
I love it when I read blogs like this with so many people truly pissed off. Rightly so. It makes the Greenies squirm to read these posts. Remember in 2008 you were not allowed to say any of these things, they would have been deleted before they ever hit the page. Or if you spoke them aloud you would have been mocked, and perhaps could have lost your job. In only 1.5 years, this whole AGW cherade has collapsed and now even Inhofe is considered a hero when only 6 months ago he was considered a lunatic. All of this shows Americans truly are the leaders of the world; God bless you all.
Al Gore is an evil genius. He has, and will continue, to pull off the grandest shake down in the history of mankind. Unfortunately people, at this point the ship has sailed. Too many entities are vested in the scam and too many children have been indoctrinated. I hope I’m wrong – use the ubiquity of the term “carbon footprint” as a bellwhether to gauge whether there is a move away from this assault on modernity. If I sense that this assualt will continue then I’m going to open a business that tracks a businesses total carbon output. Every company will be a potential client since this will be the US equivalent to a VAT.
24. Brian N:
nskipper:
A majority of American people have been asking for this investigation for several months.
You good sir are a crack pot. I am surprised someone with so few brain cells can use a computer. People become scientists because they are nerdy and want to find the truth. They do not get paid much. Do you people not believe in greenhouse gases? Do you not believe in molecules? Do you not believe in physics?
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Brian N – I do love it when an idiot posts a rant without knowing any facts. Any idea of the MILLIONS of dollars these “poor scientists” have received to spew their BS? I have a science degree, and I have enough sense to see through the bull. Perhaps you should lay off the MSNBC and check out the real news. Man-made global warming is being debunked more every day, and it’s only going to get worse for your liberal agenda.
This was always from the very begining an attempt to expand government in the name of Global Warming/Climate Change. People like Al Gore profited from it and they will never be punished. We who have had our lives altered by it will be the only ones suffering from it. Those of us who will have our children killed in vehicles that are too small to be on the road will suffer. Those of us who will be taxed in excess to pay for this nonsense, will suffer. The Fat Cats will go unpunished. Go Obama and the Dems.!
A majority of the American people have known global warming was a scam from the begining, and the insatiably greedy “Mr. Cardboard cutout” Al Gore and his phony movie simply proved it. But the people no longer have any voice in this government. We now live in a country where we are “told” what’s good for us, not asked. This is not the fault of the corrupt, lying crooks in DC. This is the fault of the weak-minded, gullible voters and their addiction to snappy TV campaign ads. We cannot blame the elected crooks for taking advantage of us, when we make it so easy for them to do so. We have truly become a Nation of Fools.
FYI; When Gore left public office, he had a net worth of about $5 Million. Now, with all his “carbon credit” scams, his net worth is well above $100 Million! Do you really think he got all that by making speeches? GROW UP AMERICA!
Have Al Gore come over and shovel some of the “Global Warming” out of my driveway after the Senate committee is finished with him.
I agree with Senator Inhofe. The so-called inventor of the internet should be brought to Washington, along with that fool Mann and all the other global warming snake oil salesmen, and salespersons. Unfortunately, this isn’t going to happen until Reid and those other fools on the hill are thrown out of office. Wake up you Global Warming idiots! The day of reckoning is at hand, and you’re all going to be washed away like the snow and the rain.
Finally!!! Let the investigation start. Hey Senator, I’m a retired RICO investigator. Hire me!!! I’ll work for minimum wage plus expenses just to get in on the front end of this deal. Let ME interview Al Gore, run his cellphone and email records. Let me talk with ol’ Hockey stick Mann and his buddy Jones. I’ll twirl my handcuffs and eye them over my glasses as I say “Somebody is going to held responsible and go to jail. The cooperating train is leaving, who gets on it first wins!”
They’ll puke like frat brother on a three day binge. Of course I know the DOJ will go, “What problem? That science is settled.” But still it is fun to fantasize…
Scientific method can never absolutely verify, proof of the truth. It can only falsify it. This is what Einstein meant when he said “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.”(1)
The main emphasis of the research, when using the scientific method, on global warming should not be to prove the hypotheses but to disprove it. I guess when you have a million dollar Grant from the government you do your best to keep the money flowing.
(1) Alice Calaprice (ed. 2005) The New Quotable Einstein Princeton University Press and Hebrew University of Jerusalem, ISBN 0-691-12074-9 p. 291. Calaprice denotes this not as an exact quotation, but as a paraphrase of a translation of A. Einstein’s “Induction and Deduction”.
Al Gore SUCKS….He should be taken to the North Pole and Staked Out on an IceBerg……If it melts he gets free…If it don’t He gets eaten by the Polar Bears that HE says are leaving the planet……Al Gore is a complete FARCE….
When I was running around in Siberia, digging up stuff for the Hermitage Museum, they stuck me with a KGB shitbag who pretended to be a geologist. He was watching me, (being an American and all) and counting tree rings for cover. Even this bitch of a KGB man was able to conclude that Siberia used to be like Santa Barbara. Whoops, there were no man made emissions 2,500 years ago.
Everything, (trillions of heavenly bodies) in the Universe is spinning around itself at enormous speeds. Our Earth is just a flyspeck on a wall in this scene. And these Morons think they are going to CONTROL it? It is to laugh. Or cry. Yes, indite Gore, and confiscate his “obscene” profits.
Pat, We must play fair. Calling someone that disagrees with you a name is simply the way that liberals argue a point. You shouldn’t expect them to disarm by relying dispassionally on facts.
More important than the name calling is the claim that CO2 is causing acidification of the oceans. CO2 is a harmless gas that is found primarily in nature and just a small fraction is man made (and only a tiny little fraction can actually be controlled by man unless we start killing humans and animals all over the globe (half of the population will reduce CO2 by less than 1% if at all).
Acidifition can only be caused by the addition of particulants. A magic trick that the Dems pulled is to confuse the masses of what constitutes pollution. If CO2 is a pollution, then so is H2O, or simply oxygen for that matter. All are produced by nature and all are required for life on earth.
Of course all of this has zero to do with science and 100% to do with religion. Who was it that said that a person who doesn’t believe in God will believe anything?
However, Brian N makes a jaw dropping admission (perhaps he didn’t read the memo carefully enough). He writes that scientest disagree. No consensus Brain? Welcome to the denier camp my friend.
Call AlGore before Congress? Seriously?
C’mon now…everybody knows the Great and Powerful AlGore doesn’t answer questions…
We’ll have to wait until after November to call for these hearing as the Dem morons are still in denial and crying for Cap and Trade, EPA actions to delcare carbon as evil, etc. Some people are slower than normal and Congress as a group is the slowest among them. Those out in the “hinterlands” of course have used their common sense and realized the whole MGW thing was a hoax from the get-go. We should be bringing back public stocks for those who perpetrated these frauds and sadly, the damage continues in our failed public schools where the mere appearance of the sun scares small children. At least this winter there has been little to be afraid of!!
Al Gore will one day “fess up” that he was also duped by the scientists. After all, he isn’t a scientist, and he just believed what he was being told by them.
Then he will simply get a slap on the wrist and folks will feel sorry for him (on the left).
What an assbag.
Al Gores butt print is bigger than my carbon foot print.
Al Gore needs to go to prison to end this whole flawed point of view,”Global Warming”. People (MSM) will not stop until it IS stopped by penalities such as prison put in place. I don’t even care if he goes to one of those beautiful prisons, just so he is behind bars. He continues to speak, as if he is right, even last week. I would like to see the wealth that he has “stolen” because of what he has done,attacked as well. Single handedly he could reverse our country’s bankruptcy.
Well, well, well. I’m a younger person, and I remember in 8th grade being yelled at by my science teacher whenever myself or any other student learning about Global Warming stood up and said “Woah woah woah, this can’t be true. Something is wrong with this.” And yet here it is. So much for being able to rely on what I was taught in school.
Al Gore is a criminal to perpetuate this lie. Some in the scientific community where involved in criminal activity to collude with AG. Some in government, right to the top of this current administration colluded with this fraud. Follow the money and the truth will come out. Obama and his handlers are in trouble. The Dems were hoodwinked into walking their radical un-American line and blinded by their own power, closing their eyes to the historical failures of socialism/communism all around the world. Any politician in either party who pushed the Global Warming and Cap & Trade agenda must be fired in November.
What involvement did Al Gore have in Enron? Remember the intentional energy grid disruptions when Al Gore was VP? Enron took the heat and became a scapegoat. Enron’s CEO Kenneth Lay mysteriously died of “jeart failure” while in custody. Maybe he was ready to spill the beans. How was Al Gore involved back then to lay the groundwork for his new book and then the movie, followed by his enormous efforts in jetting around the world to sell this lie to global sheep? Yes, there needs to be a deep investigation into this lie from the top down. How was it that the unknown community organizer, the radical communist community agitator get the organizational money and power to win the predidency, in spite of being less popular than ole McCain? There was trillions of dollars at stake and they needed someone who could read their script well. These globalists found the person they needed in Obama. In the meantime, the tresuries of the wealthiest countries of the deveoped world were robbed, something easy to achieve in corrupt socialist societies. FOLLOW THE MONEY! Al Gore is woth 10-20 times what he was only a couple years ago.
Global warming is a Liberal lie. This is a proven scientific fact. The debate is now over. Good thing this scam was caught before it cost us more liberty and treasure.
Any who continue to press this lie and the expensive “corrective” schemes should be arrested and charged with fraud.
It is not enough to just debunk their lies and marginalize the perpetrators of this fraud, there needs to be a steep criminal price to pay so the Libs never try something like this again. Incarceration and fines along the lines of what their “fixes” would have cost us…
YES, absolutely YES!!! Hats off to you Sen. Inofe.
“You want to listen to Inofe for scientific advice, the guy who though the internet was a series of tubes.”
You’re kidding, right? Ted Stevens said that. Greed can’t be in the equation here? Problem with the “nerdy guys” is that a lot of the sources don’t come from peer-reviewed scientific reports, but from environmental activists. Some of these sources are even disputed BY peer-reviewed scientific reports and studies! You read the entire article right? A lot of these people ADMIT to submitting false reports because they feel the ends justify the means. Not sure how “nerdy guys” can’t be greedy either, but whatever.
“How are we to believe any new science? As a younger person this has seriously called into judgment most scientific progress. How am I to believe other studies about smoking or heart disease now?”
Wow, just wow… Go back and question everything you learned? Yay, let’s toss progress out of the window! Maybe studies on smoking and heart disease are believable because, I don’t know, even a chimpanzee can see people who have smoked for 20 years usually have all sorts of health issues? People who are overweight, don’t exercise, eat poorly, etc. have heart problems? Yeah, let’s all expose the secret heart disease lobby agenda! Lord knows no one ever had heart attacks before those pesky heart scientists showed up! Seriously, in a majority of fields the scientific method is actually adhered to. Global warming isn’t the “standard”, it is the exception.
“Al Gore should be investigated!”
Possibly, but don’t just sign him off on being guilty criminally. Yes, he believes in AGW, and yes, he is smart enough to know that there’s big money to be made in a “green” world if your business caters to it. The biggest issue I see is his unwillingness to answer critics at length (or sometimes at all), especially on his movie. Honestly, doing so would be counter-intuitive to his business, so you can’t entirely blame him there; however, it does significantly impact his credibility as an activist or “scientist”. I’m not defending Al Gore by any means, but we’ll see what happens.
As for environmentalism, I’m all for lowering actual pollutants, conserving energy in a fiscally beneficial sense, recycling, etc. There’s nothing wrong with some parts of “green” living, and honestly, this is the way to change peoples’ lifestyles to better the environment. Telling someone that they have to get rid of their car and stop using their air conditioner and so on isn’t going to get any followers. Seen any pictures of parking lots filled for Al Gore’s movies? Count the SUVs!
Do we really have a problem or all this is just a way to get money from all of us in favor of Wall Street traders?. We may end up saying “The problem is that we do not have a problem”.
The main media BBC, ABC, NBC, CNN are all one sided and that has to stop.
A lot of money and political power has been invested in so call “global warming” that if the general population sees this as a lie and a hoax, many well-known institutions of government and media will likely collapse from the scandal. The establishment is desperate fighting for its life. And we should expect them to take any and all desperation measures to prolong and preserve their status.
When all else fails use scare tactics.
1) The Himalayan glaciers will melt by 2035. Not so! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7031403/UN-climate-panel-admits-mistake-over-Himalayan-glacier-melting.html
2) Fifty percent of Holland is below sea level. Not so!
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/sea-level-blunder-enrages-dutch-minister
3) The Hockey Stick graph. Not so!
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?catid=14:text&id=232:rossmckitrick-02-10-09&option=com_content&view=article
4) Polar Bears are endangered because of global warming. Not so!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-500424/Polars-bears-brink-Dont-believe-it.html
5) Oceans will rise and devastate coastal cities. Not so!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
6) Rainforest threatened by global warming. Not so!
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/28/save-rainforest-climate-change-scandal-chopped-facts/
7) The science of man made global warming is settled. Not so!
http://www.petitionproject.org/
There aren’t grounds to prosecute Fat Albert.
If summmoned or subpoena’ed before Inhofe & comm., he can state that his previous testimony was based on his understanding of “da science”, which, given the Goracle’s non-scientific background and his lousy grades in science courses in college, might have been construed by thinking people all along as highly doubtful.
Or, like so many other esteemed citizens (e.g., the people who gate crashed the WH dinner), he can take the Fifth.
For the duration, Gore has refused to debate anyone who has scientific credentials and a view opposing his. That should have told you something right there about what’s really going on in his melon head.
Questioning everything is not a bad idea, especially in these “postmodern” days when integrity in so many things has shot craps, opinion is put forward as truth, college professors use the lectern as a pulpit and we have a real paucity…a dearth, even…of statespeople who look beyond their personal agendas & perceived self-interest.
And a President who is in no way grounded in anything resembling reality.
Brian N – We know Brian, you have a wet dream for Al Gore. I am sure he feels the same way but what you call intellectual I call impotent… Then again folks, the intellectual Al Gore did “invent the Internets”….LOL
BC represents your typical liberal comment. It follows the Saul Alinsky recommended method of simplistic juvenile ridicule with no actual facts or logic to back up the claims. In other words, your typical worthless liberal troll at work.
The reason Inhofe tops Gore every time is as follows (partial list)
1) Inhofe has studied both sides of the science. Gore has not.
2) Inhofe is willing to publicly debate Gore. Gore is not.
3) Inhofe has no business ties to Global Warming or it’s reverse. Gore does.
4) Inhofe has a rational logical thought process. Gore does not.
5) Inhofe speaks the truth. Gore lies.
This is obviously a partial list, but you get my drift.
Back in 1950 when i was in high school they said there was a new “ice age” coming.Maybe its starting this winter,hahahaaa.
A few years ago sun spots and flare ups were all the rage about the climate. Good grief Charlie Brown the climate has been changing for centuries,get over it.
The only thing different is many people are believing “chicken little” the sky is falling,Al the Fox Gore,or Bore,and he has aquired the Pied Pipers Flute,and the fools are following him blindly.Its like they are hoping for some sort of melt down of the earth,and would be disappointed if it doesn’t come about so they can say see see we were right.
If America were to go to all electric cars and trucks,could the power companies keep up with the demand ? would there be “brown outs” on a grand scale ?because we still use many other electrical things everyday of the year that draw energy.Now how would they dispose of all the toxic batteries when they are worn out ? They are not normal garbage for landfills.
Just wondering..
Global warming science, has suffered the same fate as cold fusion: debunked and discredited.
What is the point in having Gore return to Congress to testify? The parties that should be upset is the Nobel Commission (who should demand the return of their money), Sundance (Robert Redford), and the publisher of Gore’s book. They were the biggest suckers that Gore tricked into buying his snake oil. The rest, well, they were lemmings and fools.
I went to a lecture by Dr. Mann on Feb 12 this year (2010).
His coverage of the proxy’s was muted when it came to the tree data. Some of what I found interesting and for me raised serious questions. When Dr Mann described the coral proxies he pointed out how they have rings similar to trees – in the summer they grow faster in warm water and slower in the winter…and I remembered how just a few years ago how the big scare was that warm water was killing the coal reefs…hey pick one, either warm water helps coral grow or kills coral but not both.
Dr. Mann also voiced some annoyance that the warming does not work as predicted when we have El Nino periods. More warming was expected but instead more low level clouds formed radiating the light back into space offsetting the expected warming, but of course more research will solve the issue…
The graphs displays that flashed by appeared to have some serious deficiencies – like the bulk of Africa or eastern Europe and most of Asia seemed to be void of any proxy data for long stretches of time. To claim that Europe and North America had an unusual and localized mid-evil warming period when there was no data for huge areas of the rest of the land masses seemed to be hubris or humerus but not honest.
Oh yea I almost forgot the hockey stick.
If you have ever bathed a cat you know how it almost disappears into a thin wet stick character and as the cat drys again how the dry cat fluffs out massively. Well Dr. Mann also noted a but regretfully that he wished he had added that region of uncertainty to his IPCC chart – that was massive fluff around his pencil line stick because when the huge fluffy area of uncertainty is added back to the hockey stick chart then it becomes obvious that the present time is not significantly different then any other time in the last thousand years.
Do you still think the ozone whole was still created by freon
Does anybody truly believe there will be a “real” investigation?
The Democrats who have controll of both houses in the Congress and the White House will NOT investigate this.
Al Gore should be investigated and prosecuted for lieing to Congress. Al Gore’s movie “Inconvenient Truth” is full of lies!
Al Gore should be in jail!
But don’t worry Mr Gore your cronies won’t investigate you or prosecute you becasue they want the same thing you do….to get rich off CAP & TRADE!!!
It’s time the American people woke up and voted all of the self serving, greedy, and corrupt politicians out of office!
Send a message loud and clear in November VOTE them OUT!
When we get some new people elected that are not beholding to coporations and lobbyists then maybe we can get some people prosecuted for destroying this country!
Maybe bring them up on criminal charges since many have starved to death because corn was being used to make ethanol to “save the planet”. He lied, they died…
I bet you still think the ozone hole was created by freon too.
I have two words for Al Gore–GOD RULES–REad THE Bible
The whole world knows that man made global warming is a hoax and a scam, but I guaran – damn – tee you that the public screwels are still teaching it.
Giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys
First off, anyone who has worked in the scientific field will tell you that a “trick” is a statisical method used to crunch data. When they were discussing which trick was used on the, and which provided the best result for their research, they were doing what every scientific study does. All scientists use statistics to get the best result for their research, regardless of their side of the issue. I’m curious as to how your side can ignore the fact that 97% (that’s a U.N. number, so the only logical assertion would be that it’s part of the whole conspiracy)of scientists agree that we have had a profound impact on altering the climate and that CO2 is the culprit. The other three percent of scientists run on corporate grants, using statistical “tricks” to get the best out of their data and prove that greenhouse gases are not a problem. The whole idea of a broad conspiracy, in the face such clear data opposing, gives you about as much credibility and 9/11 conspiracy nuts on the left. Run down Inhofe’s campaign contributors and you’ll see the same list that sponsors the “science” disproving our hand in climate change, and a few that used to argue that there was no connection between tobacco and lung cancer. I do enjoy your righteous indignation, especially when you consider that science on your side is funded by the same organization that stands to profit (God forbid Exxon has down quarter) and science on mine still fuels actual policy (wheter you disagree with it). Try real science and offer an alternative than just saying no.
Cheers you all, knowing this will be called off as another condescending liberal facist (an oxymoron to any high school student by the way) rant, but hoping you consider before ignoring.
Remember Gore’s family made their money from: Oil , Coal, Tobacco, Strip Mining and now Carbon Credits. What a liar, cheat, thief and hypocrite! Put him away until the seas cover New York city.
For the socialist frauds that inhabit the MSM, academia and government it was never about the science after all, was it. For these america haters it was all about the politics, as is being unveiled before our eyes starting with the emails and then progressing on with the total collaspe of the IPCC. To defeat the AGW scam we must defeat the enablers, namely the socialist democrats who funded this fraud and boot their non american commie rear ends all the way to cuba in the next elections.
What a load of crap! Talk about reading into what you want to believe!! it is not a democratic/republican issue. It is a finite earth and we need to stop abusing our use of it. God told Adam to subdue the earth, not to destroy it!! To Cherish it not to plunder it…. Global warming now or later we must treat the God’s creation with awe and wonder and respect of all that God has made…
Well maybe the world is cooling after all. That was the fear in the 70′s. How can the government tax us and redistribute wealth by encouraging that fear? How can Algore make money on global cooling?
Forget the EPA regulating CO2. Those idiots consider the latest IPCC report on CO2 to be valid.
If you believe more CO2 in the air is bad, then hold your breath for 10 minutes.
The CO2 global warming story is now a triple lie:
1. More CO2 in the air has no practical effect on the earth’s surface radiation heat balance.
2. More CO2 in the air significantly increases the rate of green plant growth.
3. The IPCC have covered up the fact that we are now in an overall cooling cycle.
The recent climategate story clearly shows that all the recent CO2 lies were simply bought & paid for by big government partisan grants. Start with Dr. James Hansen NASA’s #1 climate liar. He has also been mischarging the US taxpayer his entire career.
Fact 1 above is easily explained to people who comprehend:
The basics of radiation heat transfer – most engineers
The infrared absorption characteristics of CO2 – some scientists
The Solar constant mean value is 1368 W/m². Quantity of solar energy (W/m²) at normal incidence outside the atmosphere (extraterrestrial) at the mean sun-earth distance.
Really people…get serious…..
For Justice to investigate this would be tantamount to launching an impeachment process of POTUS and EVERY DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE AND SENATOR……when DEMOCRATS ARE THE JURY.
When Justice/Holder takes a pass on pursuing a slam-dunk case on a pair of Black Panther Thugs……GOOD LUCK….DREAM ON.
How about Carol Browner obama CZAR and the EPA Records she destroyed while working for Bill clinton and Found in Contempt by a Federal Judge. Should futher Federal Charges be looked for her record destruction. Do The destroyed records that Carol Browner destroyed have anything to do with the flase fraudulent foney science of the EPA?
I minored in AstroPhysics many years ago – covering a lot more than just planetary dynamics and geophysics – and I can tell when I’m being lectured to by imbeciles.
“The science is settled”, “the debate is over” – NO scientist would EVER say these things! That’s the easiest way to recognize that these “scientists” are not just stupid – they are “spit-bubble blowing, lip-diddling imbeciles sitting in the front yard eating mud” stupid.
I honestly don’t think Al Gore was being malicious or criminal here – I think he’s just an idiot who was educated far beyond his intellect.
That’s right. Gore got his money from the family business – Occidental Oil Co. In addition – While he was vice president he sold off the USA’s oil reserves for pennys on the dollar thereby creating an oil shortage in the US. Then he made billions off of “global warming”. He knew exactly what he was doing. He deserves no less than a long stint in a Federal Prison.
Can you believe this man, Al Gore, and his leftist scientist friends were allowed to go this far without really being challenged. My contempt for him is higher than a Berkeley leftist’s contempt for Bush. This man should be tried for his attemped use of false science to ruin our society for his own personal gain. Al Gore is truly an evil individual.
It is all about TAXES and control. Global Climate Change is a big fraud and lie. Nothing more.
Neil, there is a document with roughly 33,000 signatures of scientist that state the debate is not over and needs further investigation, but somehow Al and the other climate evangelists like to ignore, so using U.N. figures is not exactly an accurate source as has been proven by the countless number of false claims in AR4!!
Another point: When this congress refuses to open an investigation I believe it will be worth while determining if a class action law suit can be filed on behalf of the American tax payers to recoup the Billions or Millions of tax dollars that have ripped off via this scam. Al Gore will be named as a defendant as well as the Nobel Political action committee (which is all it really is anymore).
–peter
EDUCATION! The communists warned us that controlling what children are taught is the key to ingraining adult thought processes! Therefore, stupidity and naivety begins with brainwashing the children with NEA propaganda!
Until we make certain our children are properly educated, we can never again have a populace that can REJECT a Marxist Muslim liar fool like Barry Soetoro because he is DANGEROUS and EVIL!
[We cannot expect small children to do what adults refuse to do! We cannot expect small children to identify problems that adults pretend do not exist! We cannot expect small children to find the words to challenge their superiors, while adults are AFRAID to even repeat those same words to their equals!]
(1) CHALLENGE THE TEACHERS! It is not necessary to have to have children in a school to challenge what is taught; let the teachers know that you are interested (for the sake of your nieces, nephews, grandchildren, friends or neighbors children) and sit in on as many classes as allowed. Remember the “honey/vinegar” analogy and SUPPORT THEM when they are doing the right thing.
(2) MONITOR ADMINISTRATION! Know the names and numbers (phone, fax, and email) of every principal, assistant principal, and dean of students, and do not be shy in contacting them. Learn their areas of expertise and particular interests. See if there is a way to connect with them on any other level. Remember the “honey/vinegar” analogy and SUPPORT THEM when they are doing the right thing.
(3) LEARN WHO IS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD! Some may live in your neighborhood, attend your church, be an alumni of your college, own a store where you shop, belong to a special interest group: dog club, hiking club, VFW, Rotary, reading group, 4-H, Knights of Columbus, Salvation Army, country club, or shop at your grocery store; introduce yourself! Keep a record of their public statements or blog comments. Remember the “honey/vinegar” analogy and SUPPORT THEM when they are doing the right thing.
(4) IDENTIFY YOUR STATE “Secretary/Director/Superintendent (or whatever) of Education.” Follow their public statements, seeming areas of interest, and any blog information they post. Determine to support or challenge their direction of interest. Remember the “honey/vinegar” analogy and SUPPORT THEM when they are doing the right thing.
(5) FILE SUITS (or threaten) WHEN THE SITUATION IS PROVOCATIVE! The NEA can count on attention [$$$ and volunteers and threats] from the Democrats; let’s try some “Republican interest” and notice movement from Left to center!
While most tax-payers use the “I’m busy” excuse, and would rather spend their free time enjoying themselves, and many do not know how to do objective research, and most are not comfortable with confrontation, but, if just a few of you could garner enough interest to do even some of these things, you would see a noticeable payoff!
[If you need some “inspiration” pull out your ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT and note the THOUSANDS (largest portion) that goes DIRECTLY to the schools!! (You will need to refer to this figure when the numb-nuts come out with that simplistic and stupid statement about “when the Pentagon has to have a bake sale” (reference to school fundraisings) and you will EXPLODE the next time you hear that inane claim)! ]
In fact, no one likes to be challenged (well, Dick Durbin, Jim McDermott, and Sheila Jackson-Lee seem to enjoy being shown to be butt-heads) but most folks want to be FLATTERED and APPLAUDED and THANKED! If the school teachers are only getting response from the Democrats, that is where their interest will continue to lie. If we learn to “dialogue with educators” we can help to turn the educational ship in the “right” direction! MOST of the “educators, administrators, and staff” are hypocrites who LIVE to the RIGHT, but SPEAK in a manner that caters to, and protects, the LEFT! That is their “safe” default position that they automatically revert to when any difference of opinion arises. However, I know from experience that a SIZEABLE number of public school employees (privately) lean to the “right” but they do not see much encouragement (see #1-5 above), so they are inclined to keep their light under a bushel (easier to dodge the Lefty bullets), but they would shine if they could get some encouragement from the right when those differences of opinion arise!
Just look at our current position! The RIGHT was RIGHT (about global warming)! Rather than being defensive, or offensive, we need to be positively assertive, and often!
“Do you people not believe in greenhouse gases? Do you not believe in molecules? Do you not believe in physics?”
I believe in all the above. I just find it crazy that Gov grants encourage scientists to dishonestly produce reports ONLY to further the continuation of their grant monies – this goes for individual, Al Gore’s gaggle, school, and business scientists…
Global warming or Climate change… yeah, I believe in this, the world and sun change everyday; but not due to mankind.
Oh yeah, now we’re talking. If there was intentional deception on this issue that effects the world economy, then there should be some major jailtime.
Check out this hilarious parody called “Global Disastrification:” http://www.narf.tv/?p=89
It’s about time!! As taxpayers we have been swindled out of billions, had our rights infringed, and our way of life dictated by a group of largely socialist “environmentalists”. I want my money back!!! All of the billions fraudulently obtained to fund “research” and other projects should be recovered as well as prosecutions of the perpetrators. As a scientist of 50+ years, it was patently obvious that it was bad, poorly done science from the beginning. I have nothing but contempt for the supposed “scientists” who jumped on board knowing that this was junk science from the beginning. Now that the truth is slowly eking its way out the public has a right to recover any and all funds scammed from them in this shakedown. And bob….no reputable scientist favors waste and pollution; reputable scientists don’t lie, cheat, and steal to get their way. There is no global warming. The earth goes through climatic cycles and always has. Wasting resources is an entirely different issue, so stop scaring little children in a failed attempt to impose your misinformed beliefs on others. Conservation makes sense because it makes economic and scientific sense, not because the global warming boogieman is going to make the sky fall if you use too much toilet paper.
Government is nothing but organized crime when run by communists, socialists and fascist Third Way types like FDR and Hitler. The government industry is public enemy # 1. Politicians and other lifelong government employees are focused on fabricating new ways to control people and property. One mentally retarded scam is to “solve” a non-existant “man-made” “global warming” “crisis” by international armed-robbery wealth redistribution. Loyalty to government no matter what it is forced to become is loyalty to nothing at all. Since any lowlife can vote, Democrats vote for politicians to act as their proxy armed robbers to steal from others and redistribute to them. Like the founding fathers, war should always be an option to restore freedom.
[This is exactly the same comment I've used since this scam started raising its ugly head years ago. And yes, I, too, was attacked for speaking my mind. Al Gore absolutely needs to be brought forth, "sorted out" and be held accountable for his despicable conduct.]
From Under The Blue, Blue Skies Of Albuquerque…….
A 100% disabled U.S. Air Force vet here…
Folks…this is an easy one.
This issue is about credibility, not “quoted” facts and figures, as some would have you believe (or buy into).
During the course and privilege of serving my country, I garnered fourteen ribbons, six bronze oak leaf clusters, two bronze star devices and, of course, my wings.
Enough about all that.
I only mention it in hopes of establishing a bit of credibility (there’s that word again) with you, other concerned peoples of this planet.
Wanna hear ‘an inconvenient truth’?
But, first…
ANY understanding of the stupidity of ‘global warming’…er, ‘climate change’, (and now this, as of November 26) ‘global warming pollution’ or whatever the hell these schysters and con artists are callin’ ‘it’ now, MUST begin and end with Al Gore.
By The Content Of His Character…
Now, for an inconvienent truth.
When Al Gore was sent to Vietnam, in his own words, he said he went “so that some other ‘Son of Tennessee’ wouldn’t have to go.”
After he realized that some people actually believed his line of crap, he knew he was onto something.
That’s when myself and a whooooole lot of other disgusted folks figured out just what kind of ‘man’ he really is.
Listen up.
I’m tellin’ you, when you deal with this clown, you’d better keep your head on a swivel.
By The Content Of His Character…
By The Content Of His Character…
By The Content Of His Character…
Yeah, yeah, I know.
It sounds like an ad hominem.
But, HE SAID IT!
Sad to say. But the only way the public masses will get it is for Hollywood to do a sitcom on this in the context of a “Damages” type of show. I suspect it will have to be Fox that puts it together.
Maybe they should try Gore for embezzlement and Bush for war crimes at the same time (yellow cake uranium WDM scare).
Can anyone tell me what the efect of thousands upon thousands of solar panels will have on the environment? They reflect alot of sunlight, they absorb heat and they take up alot of land.
Read Michael Crichton’s novel: State of Fear. He let the cat out of the bag. Even though a fictional account, it sums up what has been going on. The first hint that he was onto the truth was that this was the first book of his not to be given wide media coverage. He was one of the most popular living authors at the time and it hardly received a review.
Isn’t there still an Amber Alert in effect for the missing Mr. Gore?
How can the government get the head of Toyota in a couple days to show up for an investigation of Toyota but it can’t get Al Gore??
FINALLY!!!! charge those who have scammed the world of it’s hard earned cash and send them to jail- take their possessions and give it to the poor – politicians – especially Gore and the UN and the scientists seeking hand outs
The only difference between Al Gore and Bernie Madoff, is that Madoff is in prison.
Not only should Gore and his cohorts Phil Jones and Michael Mann go to jail for the fraud that they benifited from, they should be prosecuted for brainwashing of the gullible useful idiots that couldn’t find a Jim Jones to follow. When you get right down to it this is just another Jonestown, a religion of socialism with the likes of Gore as the false idol that is to be worshiped. That is why they prey on the innocent, through public education they can’t wait to begin the indoctrination of our children with the socialist poison that these wackos spew.
“The Democratic majority has blocked previous attempts by Inhofe to investigate issues with climate science.”
The Democrats are still pushing this big lie on the American people. We aren’t stupid. We know what you tried to do and why.
#1 “No! There is no way in hell that the Democrats are going to let this happen. The odds may be better that I will win the lottery. ”
The only person who has less of a chance is the one who doesn’t play.
The truth matters regardless.
DH
Hmmm, and how much money did investors put into “Save the planet” technology?? So Al Gore is different from Bernie Madoff how????
Mr. Obama, what did you know and when did you know it?
“The only difference between Al Gore and Bernie Madoff, is that Madoff is in prison.”
People like Barbara Boxer who keep promoting this lie, also belong in prison. She is an accomplice in this. The longer she goes along with this fraud to steal money from citizens, the more accountable she’ll be. Also NASA and NOAA are just as corrupt as the IPCC. I hope someone starts leaking documents from there also.
As long as the Democrats control Congress, it will not happen. When the Republicans regain control, all bets are off the table.
We will know the truth in 50 year but Inhofe has always been a non-believer, eveni nGlobal warming, whatever the cause, ever been to Oklahoma, they smoke inside outhouses there….this is not a political issue, this is a human issue, economics play into it, but making this a GOP v Democratic thing is wrong & that is what the GOP & Inhofe seek, create a political issue, hey the polar ice is still melting, 2009 was the 2nd warmest year ever, CO2 levels in Antartica core samples show more then EVER in the air…I know no biggy…go look @ Venus to see what too much Co2 can do… Inofoe has a bumper sticker “Pollution is GOOD for you, and Big Oil!- See Oklahoma and cough!”
I support this action…we need to follow the paper trail and the money it leads to. BBC has pension funds invested in global warming companies, Scientist who were paid to get the facts covered up the facts. UN has to answer for all the monies they have paid out on global warming,and also given to Despots who have banked it in Swiss Banks(this is taxpayer money)and the likes of VP Gore and those who want to pass cap and trade based on false information…finally an ivestigation worth its value
I think that Al Gore and all those involved including those at IPCC should be arrested and put in jail for lying, deceiving and misleading the public. The US should get out of the UN. Let’s save our sovereignty, our CONSTITUITION and our Unalienable Rights.
All scientists use statistics to get the best result for their research, regardless of their side of the issue. I’m curious as to how your side can ignore the fact that 97% (that’s a U.N. number, so the only logical assertion would be that it’s part of the whole conspiracy)of scientists agree that we have had a profound impact on altering the climate and that CO2 is the culprit.
There has been incremental warming, but no one on Planet Earth can prove to you the role of human generated C02 and methane in said warming.
For the record, climactic trends really do follow cycles of el nino/la nina, ocean currents, sunspot activity/solar radiation, and a host of other intertwined & complex factors. Discernibly. Verifiably.
The IPCC 2007 reports have been shown to be shot through with enough holes (incorporating a climber’s personal observations and and representing them as hard and fast science, non-science based claim of Himalayan glacier melt by 2035 etc.) and there is more, much more. That even ONE of this kind of “fact” should have made it into the definitive study, the basis for Copenhagen and all the crapola to make rich countries pay poorer countries (Indonesia wanted to be paid to not cut its trees down) should be enough to stand your hair on end as to what and why we’re being sold on Warmism.
You should be especially wary of anything involving anything about “The UN”.
The guy who heads up the IPCC at the UN, Rajendra Pachauri, has been implicated in carbon credit schemes in New Delhi and has been named as being involved with George Soros !
The NOAA has been using selective weather station data to exaggerate warming. All this crapola should cause you to abandon the warming horsesh!t until something like sanity returns. Which may be never.
If he ever were to re-testify before Congress, Al Gore’s rigid ego is such that he will never admit error.
When I was a kid, I had a great high school science teacher. He taught us that REAL science would start with a hypothesis. Then data would be gathered and tested in an experiment to see if the hypothesis could be proven or not. Most times, some sort of a control would be utilized to verify the experiment, to make sure it wasn’t tainted or that data wasn’t being looked at only to get one outcome. If a conclusion was reached that did not support the hypothesis, the whole thing would go back to the starting point, or the hypothesis would be re-examined. REAL science is testable and repeatable. If someone came up with a counter or differing hypothesis, that would be examined and experimented upon as well. The goal of science is greater understanding of the natural world. It is NOT to create a “consensus” and then ridicule those who have a differing hypothesis…these so-called “climate scientists” are nothing of the sort. They are the worst kind who seek to utilize pseudo-science to “prove” a world view…and they got caught at it. They either had academic grants at stake, or their reputations, or maybe they were just political activists…any way you look at it, they were wrong.
Now it’s likely Al Gore who has a fever.
I would TRULY like Al Gore to have to answer for this garbage. He is the poster boy, likely gained the greatest amount of profit from this hoax, and should face the nation to apologize for the damage done and, to mitigate further legislative damage.
Then, we’ll teach him the proper use of a hockey stick.
Where is Al Gore anyway???
Yes investigate, but we must also investigate the Anti-climate change think-tanks, such as the Atlas Economic Research Foundation in the U.S. and the International Policy Network in the U.K., who have have received “grants” totalling hundreds of thousands of dollars from ExxonMobil to attack AGW science. Also investigate the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank that paid so called scientists to author articles that criticised the UN’s IPCC reports as well as paying for the “scientists” travel and other payments. They also need to call in some of those so called Climate Scientists who were paid to write these articles. Yes, investigate ALL of the liars, including the liar-deniers.
Sen Inhofe is a true American. Al Gore and the global warming (err climate change) minions are becoming less and less credible every minute… By the way has anyone see AL..He is like a where’s waldo picture.
I really feel sorry for anyone that still actually belives in AGW. They are like the followers of Jim Jones, willing to swill the kool-aid no matter how many people have urinated in it. When the head of the IPCC at East Angila states that there has been no warming in 15 years and people still are buying into the bunk it realy makes you wonder. True science is being ignored while the ‘scientist/envirotards’crusade with their bogus religion. Wake up lemmings GAME OVER!
If the EPA declares and regulates CO2 as a polutant, what will happen to my pop, beer and wine? They all have CO2 to give it the fiz and as a natural byproduct of the fermentation process. Will we need to capture and sequester that also because as soon as you open one of those products, you are “polluting” the environment. Maybe Algore has an alternative waiting in the wings so he can get richer.
I just posted this article reporting on the actual Senate Committee hearing with EPA’s Jackson this morning:
http://www.examiner.com/x-37215-Manassas-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2010m2d23-Jackson-grilled-on-climate-change-science-before-Senate-Committee-on-Environment-and-Public-Works
Texas Firefighter, that is one of the funniest posts I have ever read. You might enjoy an article, written by me (Skookum,) along a similar vein over at Flopping Aces: have a good laugh on me. Kind Regards, Skook.
http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/02/22/the-damn-liquor-store-reader-post/
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-Green/2010/0208/What-s-really-causing-Himalayan-glaciers-to-melt
The reaction is starting . . . you think the Chicken Little crowd is going to let you non-believers cross the road willingly?
Better be prepared for a fight to the finish. That old saying . . . Well if you don’t believe me this time . . .Will you believe me again?
This debate while important begs the question about Al Gore’s movie. How is it that this blatantly false propaganda piece was embraced by the education system so quickly and uncritically? It was shown over and over to school children with little or no concern for accuracy. What groups and or organizations have the ability to get these politically driven books and films into our school system so quickly without review or over site by Boards and parents? Climate change whether true, partially true or a outright fraud does not need to be dumped on out children when they are struggling to obtain basic skills. Agenda driven education was the hallmark of Communist Russia and China. So called re-education is the tool of totaliarian governments. Anyone who reviews how the children of another generation were taught (force fed) about the “exploits” of George A. Custer and other “heroes” should very concerned about the current progressive agenda in our school system.
“but we must also investigate the Anti-climate change think-tanks, such as the Atlas Economic Research Foundation in the U.S. and the International Policy Network in the U.K., who have have received “grants” totalling hundreds of thousands of dollars from ExxonMobil to attack AGW science. Also investigate the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank that paid so called scientists to author articles that criticised the UN’s IPCC reports as well as paying for the “scientists” travel and other payments.”
Hundreds of thousands of dollars compared to trillions of dollars from governments who have no limit on the funds they can use to collect billions more dollars if they can create a big enough AGW scare. Doesn’t seem to be a very good use of resources to waste time investigating others, when IPCC has already admitted they were wrong in report after report.
1st. This is a great blog and has excellent info. 2nd. Inhofe today was blasted by Babs Boxer, who is the fight of her life in Ca. The Libs will just not look at facts. They believe a priori views that the Left has proposed over the last few decades since the film, The China Syndrome. All of this is hooked into climate, GW, no nuclear energy and no use of our own huge domestic energy resources. Today , the WSJ had a article on India looking for oil finds. The states round the globe are building nuclear facilities, drilling and ignoring all this GW and Climate scams. It is time for the USA do do so and the only way to do that is to rid the Congress of as many socialist pacifist Dems as possible. It is a necessity to save our economy, keep us militarily strong and getting energy for our seniors, cars, businesses, and our military. No military will ever run on Green. Period.
Where is Al Gore anyway???
Al Gore has been hiding out in the Tennessee mansion since he couldn’t get enough people in Copenhagen to pay for a photo op (for $1200 you could be photographed shaking hands with the Goracle), his event was canceled and he jetted home early to beat the big storm of 2009.
Obama’s airplane, Air Force One, and Nancy’s airplanes (you paid) carrying her gaggle of Congressional freeloaders were also very anxious to get home from Copenhagen before Washington DC was smacked by a giant snowstorm.
Good luck on your investigation request but you know better than I that this will NEVFER happen because Obama and his Marxist handlers need ObamaCare and Cap & Tax for the increased taxes to be used as their private “Cash Cow” to finance their
Marxist agenda. Good idea though.
I think Al Gore is right on, the poor Polar Bears need ice to eat and keep warm. If gasoline was $9.00 per gallon then americans would give up their SUV’s and start driving ‘smart’.
When a poor old boy like Gore is beating the drum about Global Warming and living in a home that uses what 217 homes normally use, that should make you stop and scratch your head. This guy is a hustler and should be giving seminars on how to fleece the public.
Maybe it was Copenhagen that was about to be smacked by the giant snowstorm in mid-December 2009.
In any event, there was some urgency to get out of the place as the nearly 2 weeks of eating, drinking and self-important bloviating wound down to the nothingness it was.
20 years ago, I joked that “they” would tax breathing, if they could.
Since we exhale CO2, this idea is no longer completely in the theater of the absurd.
Yea Right, I will believe this when I see it!
LOL
I have read all these comments (I know, But it’s addicting) and Texas Firefighter’s was the best! That history lesson should be in text books. Keep posting, I’ll keep reading.
On topic: It’s personally glorifying to see that our country is not as sheeped up as I thought. I was getting worried we were in the toilet with a liberal mindset. Good thing the truth always comes out and the liberal agenda is always exposed. . .in all points in history. Ya, look it up, liberal voter. Read history, and see for yourself who is the uneduacated one. Your religion keeps pointing at the other side as the uneducated just to take your eyes off the very same agenda you worship. Isn’t there a seperation of church and state?
“Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.”
Classic!
Thanks, Holly. I’ve got a “breaking” piece in the queue with similar material; your article is probably better…..
Given that anthropogenic global warming (AGW) has been proven to be based on false science, and given that the impending federal ban on the sale of incadescent bulbs in the US was passed to help “combat global warming,” when will Congressional leaders stand up and push for a repeal of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007? The madness must stop.
Sen. Imhoffe for President 2012. Intelligence, wisdom, integrity and the courage to stand up alone and consistently against considerable enemies and MSM scorn. He deals in facts, not smoke and mirrors.
We should first investigate Senators who wear tin-foil hats and the rest of the uninformed deniers out there.
The cost of this “investigation” exceeds any value expected other than the congressman getting a name. Does he or Congress have nothing better to do?
Wake up. Yes, there’s been some type of weather change. Looks somewhat like a shift. From what I’ve observed first-hand I’m reminded of a dying AC unit which tricks one into thinking that it’s fantastic because it finally started putting out frosty air in the hot summertime.
Doesn’t anyone remember a gigantic iceberg floating into the Pacific to break apart? Why do you suppose that happened?
Do you recall the Gulf Stream is slowing?
We’ve had many other instances that something is transpiring regardless of what it is called. The symptoms exist. So, all of you doubters, how do you explain that? I perceive it as a personal need to vent or display symptomatic of other psychological needs. I don’t think the halls of Congress is suitable for such a discussion when they should be concentrating on what can be reined in such as this war, fiscal chaos, fossil fuel dependency, health care, and other matters mandated for their office held.
I don’t think the remedies for Global Warming are injurious by any means. In fact they are what we need. Can’t be argued. Do you want to be a day late and a dollar short?
Hmm-m-m, the Congressman is from Oklahoma. Could it be his round about way of wanting to keep fuel flowing? The Department of Justice also has plenty on their menu. There is such a thing as abuse and misuse of power.
If Mr. Gore has been in error, then prove it if it’s so important. Get your book out on the matter. This goes for the other doubters and these so-called scientists who say they were in error (but if they were wrong, will they know when they are right??). Don’t waste government funds to satify your desire or need. Next thing, the Ethics Committee will have to address this unethical use of Federal facilities, departments, funds,l etc.
Enough said. I don’t think I need to say anymore to drive this point home.
In the Seventies the Climate Fear Profiteer, James Hansen, was involved in “A New Ice is Coming” Climate Fear Profiteering. Jimmy Carter funded “climate change research” in response to the Ice Age Climate Fear Profiteering. When the Ice Age fear failed to convince or fool enough people, Hansen switched his model to CO2 Global Warming Climate Fear Profiteering, and the Government fell for it with Al Gore’s lobbying efforts since his college days when he wrote his book “Earth in the Balance” while admittedly under the influence of drugs. Hansen and Gore have continued to receive government funding for their creative climate research that includes no real evidence. They realized that the more fear the climate researchers can produce, the more research funds they can receive from the Government that is filled with liberals looking to waste taxpayer money any way they can.
European and American Marxist have used CO2 Global Warming Climate Fear to blame America as the main source of man-made CO2. Marxist want to limit America’s economic and military power by increasing the cost of energy for America. The crooked transnational corporation, General Electric-GE, has joined efforts with the Marxist CO2 Global Warming Climate Fear Mongers in order sell “green energy” products that can not compete with coal, and nuclear energy.
Hansen and Gore need to be arrested and brought to justice, then stripped of all the money they made with their deceptions against the world’s population.
All scientists produce theories, some are right, some are not. The article cleary states Al Gore’s film is “science fiction”. The definition of fiction would be “not real”. Even documentaries are not 100% accurate as nobody knows “everything”. Prosecuting scientists/activists for their theories would be like keeping Gallileo under house arrest for the rest of his life, all over again. That was a “great” decision wasn’t it. Trying our best to take care of our planet is, by far, not a bad thing. It doesn’t even come close. It doesn’t take a “rocket scientist” to know that carbon dioxide is not good for our lungs and can kill humans and that more & more of it goes into the air we breath.
I find it amusing, but more than that, disturbing, that some are so worried about a “scam” to be more conservative of our natural resources and to do our best to protect the planet that allows us to live and survive as a being. BUT not concerned at all about the religions, churches, & evangelists who prey on all humans emotionally and financially to promote their “facts” of life, past, present, & future. Wouldn’t this then also be a scam, if they claim whatever theory they have come up with, or have been told, to be so. I am wondering when these people will to be called to prove their “facts”, excuse me theories, that have never & will never likely be proven & are often just made up as they go. Who is it that should be charged for adding “under God” to our Pledge, that was not originally written that way, and used government funding to have it added to everything that contained the Pledge after the man who wrote the Pledge had died & had no say in it.
Some may say the “green” actions is all American’s have left, like it is a bad thing, but, I think finally understanding and respecting our planet and the life it has on it, is a pretty great thing to have left.
Considering the theft, misdirection, and mendacity that is actually taking place, today, under our very noses by the global corporate-government elite, quietly supported by every holder of stocks and retirement funds, I defy anyone to actually read all the IPCC emails and, not think the masses as the most stupid and gullible fools in this galaxy. This so-called ‘climategate’ shitstorm of nothing more than self-serving fatcat gas is just so amazingly peurile and idiotic that it is not even worth arguing about; no wonder it is so popular. Our children will mock us for centuries to come.
What do you think would happen if a normal working U.S. citizen was to knowingly perpetrate a scandal of this nature that ended up hurting our countries factories, employees and and all parts of our economy? Does quick trial and justice come to mind?
This brave man should have the financial backing of every conservative person in the United States. Senator James Inhofe sees the cancer that has been placed upon our country and will be used by the liberal thinking left to help give meaning to their lives as world citizens. Too bad they can’ stand behind a real cause or need with real scientific support. If the rest of the world would like to worship and support this “human caused global warming crisis”, please let them spend till it feels good!
Maybe Inhofe can start legal process to end what most liberals do and that is spend others money for their today’s cause.
Real scientists create a theory, set up an experiment, collect data and if the data does not fit the theory, change the theory. It is evident that Mann, Gore, EPA and the other Global warmers changed the data. If you change the sites of data collection, apply different “factors” to different datapoints, boycott journals that publish opposing views, email other reviewers to stop publication or change thier comments, and will not share “raw” data, you are NOT a scientist, you are a propagandist like Goebels.
Gozie Boy and most of the posters here wouldn’t recognize a “fact” if it jumped up and kissed them on the nose(ideologues like him and Inhofe seldom rely on facts. As Mark Twain famously said, “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on it’s shoes.” Gozie Boy and the rest know about smoke, they’re engulfed in it.
I wonder how many “professionally honest” scientist were ridiculed, black-balled and even ended-up losing resources and jobs due to Gore’s global warming agenda. I think that Al Gore and his zealots should seriously face an inquest by Sen Inhofe’s commission on global warming. Let the sunshine in.!! –macaronte
The search is over! Inhofe for President 2012!!
all of the studies on global warming were lies……..i think there were other studies that were all lies like the seat belt laws,the dui laws,smoking laws,air bags,abortions all of the studies were probally doctered to make a point to take away are rights by the goverment……big brother wants to control all things in are daily lives……all of the laws that were passed because of some study should be revoked now
Interesting piece from Holly, the EPA administrator today attempting to deny that the IPCC reports were used as gospel, citing NOAA and NASA, both of whom have received criticism in their own right for climate malfeasance.
Didn’t James Hansen’s supervisor at NASA disclaim him and his “extracurricular” bloviating on climate ?
The EPA wants to empower itself, with the Obama administration’s blessing, to do an end around stalled “cap and trade”.
We should first investigate Senators who wear tin-foil hats…
Barbara Boxer (“General, could you stop calling me m’am and call me Senator ? I’ve worked hard for that title.”) is a moron.
Californians would do well to dump her in November.
(thank you for a lively discussion and quick posting)
Ricardo, I think you’re right. We might start with the people denying that the last 90 days has raised any questions about the science in IPCC AR4.
I still get a kick out of the tree huggers. They now have a way to justify their moronic beliefs no matter what the weather phenomena is, nor temperature. They just say “it” is all caused by global warming, or now-Climate Change and then Pravda West reports it as truth without questioning any of these flakes. I think Algore must have melted; I haven’t seen his fat ass for quite some time now.
#1 David: (Waaay back there)One suspects that Charlie Martin is cynically asking a rhetorical question….
I categorically deny that I was being cynical. Ironical, I’d go for that.
Al Gore should be in prison. The money he has made off this scam. He is no better than a Bernie Madoff. Gore wanted to profit with his hedge funds and high-end hybrid cars due to “global warming”.
Now we know why you cannot ask questions of the likes of Al Gore, Obama, Tiger Woods etc. They have to keep the lid on all the lies.
We are dancing in the streets. Keep us informed please. And tell us how we can help Senator Inhofe. If the Democrats choose to oppose Senator Inhofe’s initiative, it is just more nails in their coffins. Senator Inhofe should keep his initiative in the public eye everyday from here forward.
..Inhofe may wish to set a hearing date for April or later. Al is in his usual quasi-hibernating catatonic state digesting the seventy-five pound bag of BBQ pork rinds that he ritually eats every December before crawling into his four-post Ash bed and pulling the baby-seal and manatee hide blankets over his corpulent ass and nestling his Sputnik-sized noggin on a baby swan feather pillow.
#225 Skookum thank you for the shout-out, I’ll check out the link. BTW, we are very lucky to have celebrities on this message board. #199 Larry, as in Larry Sinclair Obama’s backseat limo buddy who disputes that Iraq ever had WMD. I guess MSNBC and CNN didn’t report that Russia moved those stockpiles through Syria before we invaded. And let’s also mention #213 Ronny Raygun. I’ve never met anybody who’s been to every household in Oklahoma and witnessed them smoking inside their homes. Don’t you just love these “tolerant” people who belittle everyday hardworking, tax paying, true American patriots? And speaking of true American patriots, may I offer a sincere and respectful “Thank you for your service to our country” to #197 Batjak456? This country wouldn’t be as great as it is if it weren’t for people like you who’ve kept us safe and free.
Honorable Senator Inhofe,
PLEASE!!! OH, GOD, PLEASE SUBPOENA AL!!!MAKE IT STOP, MAKE IT ALL JUST STOP!!! AAARRRGGGHHH THE PAINNNNN!!!!
Sincerely,
AL Gore’s Commode
nskipper:
A majority of American people have been asking for this investigation for several months.
You good sir are a crack pot. I am surprised someone with so few brain cells can use a computer. You want to listen to Inofe for scientific advice, the guy who though the internet was a series of tubes. People become scientists because they are nerdy and want to find the truth. They do not get paid much. If they were after money they could just become lawyers or doctors. What makes you crack pots think you know more about science then people who have spent most of their lives studying the topic. Do you people not believe in greenhouse gases? Do you not believe in molecules? Do you not believe in physics?
Hey nskipper…..
You just revealed what this phoney-baloney science has become to crack pots like you….a religion! What do you mean do “us people” not BELIEVE in green house gasses, or that we do not BELIEVE in molecules? Science is about observation and replication of studies, something the climatologists hawking this false religion haven’t allowed. Its the mind-numbed zombies like you that accept it on belief.
The more noise made about this hoax, the more and more it will creep into the awareness of average Americans. We must do the job of the traditional press and give voice to this fraud . . . because the traditional (mainstream press) is ignoring the whole Climate Gate story in the US.
Thank you, Senator Inhofe. God bless.
When Gore did not know the temperature of the core of the Earth that was he first step in proving he was not a scientist. By design. He new and he new he was in trouble.
Anyone seen Al lately?
Texas,
Great, great posts. My only critique is with the beer. Bud is now Belgian – I recommend the largest remaining American brewer Samuel Adams, particularly the new Noble Hops ale that just came out. Tasty. Well, on with the liberal ridicule (like shooting fish in a barrel with a Mossberg).
Get real. Gore required to defend himself and his phony video?? While Obama is still pushing Cap & Trade?? Never gonna happen under a Democrat Administration. They have their story and they’re sticking to it not matter how much BS it contains.
With the Nation in economic distress and actual unemployment above 10% , the Democrats in the House Of Representatives and, now a Senate, Committee, without even knowing the content blundered thru Obama’s “Cap and Tax Bill”. Legislation that could well topple our economy into a depression. Pure fiscal insanity. For the Kool-aid addicts who believed Obama when he said that he would give a tax break to 95% of Americans, hold on to you wallets and prepare for the largest single regressive tax increase in American history. This “Global Warming” fraud will prove to be the biggest jobs killer ever conceived; and, simply ship millions of America jobs overseas to countries such as China and India. The next time you hear the ranting of an Obamanite, ask them why there is “NO” statistical correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and global temperatures (the latter which actually have slightly decreased over the last decade) -and- why the temperature trend lines on Mars tracks identically with that on earth. ((Hint: the Sun is the only common denominator.)) In brief: global temperature variations correlate precisely with Solar activity. As for the sustained hype over Ice Cap melting and sea level rise, Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Davis Station in East Antarctica shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m. To emphasize the importance of these statistics, Antarctica contains 90% of the world’s ice pack. And since 2007, Arctic summer ice has actually increased by approximately 26%. Now you know why the inventor of the internet, Albert Gore, refuses to debate the issue. “If” the Global Warming enthusiasts were sincere in their intent to reduce manmade CO2 emissions, which constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the earth s mantle, they would be actively promoting the significantly expanded use of Nuclear Power for America’s electrical energy generation. An endeavor intended not only to reduce CO2, which constitutes only about 0.037% of total atmosphere gases ; an atmospheric fraction that has remained constant for over a century and a half of record keeping; but, as well, to dramatically reduce our dependence on imported energy resources; and, to provide a distributed grid with dormant interconnectivity. The logic in this dilemma is exceedingly transparent, our Dictatorial Marxist, Barack Obama, simply wants more control over your activities and lifestyle; and, the health of the American economy be dammed. It’s essential that we clean house in the upcoming elections. Greg Neubeck
Wow you guys are an embarrassment. Almost a bigger embarrassment then Sen Inhofe himself (this man has always been a loser). Fortunately, the worldwide views on GW are overwhelmingly in favor of the science that proves GW is man made.. and action must be taken. Luckily, the dumbing down of the U.S., which could not be more evident from the comments on this site, should not have an effect on moving forward some sort of Cap and Trade bill.
Phil jones of East Anglia the chief supplier of false data to the ipcc admited on tv that there has been no global warming for the last 15 years. Al Gore (“the science is in, the debate is over”)) should be indicted and forced to return his Nobel award and made to apologise to the world for his BERNIE MADOFF scale fraud that He personally perpetrated. maybe some lengthy jail time would set a precedent to prevent future global scale fraudsters Maybe National Geographic, popular science ,discovery channel wwf, sierra,peta etc will stop foisting this crap on the public
The bottom line: AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH has turned out to be AN INCONVENIENT LIE for Al Gore. Shame on him! Not that I expect any of Gore or a single Democrat to ever confront the truth with public admissions.
The anti-intellectualism of you climate change deniers is beyond belief. I think of the book EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS AND THE MADNESS OF CROWD, and the delusion isn’t climate change. I haven’t met, personally, someone who denied scientific fact since I was in the Army, and that guy was a hillbilly (and against evolution). Yeah — it’s all the devil’s work!
BC:
I am curious, what are scientific credentials? Have you been to college? If so where and what was your major. How many science and math courses have you had?
Instead of just screaming talking points and insults to a group of people with a high number of advanced degrees and scientific training doesn’t get you any respect so please enlighten us.
Not that I expect you to manufacture some answer because the next questions I will ask will be highly technical and field specific. I know you won’t answer because you don’t have any credentials. You are just a noise making progressive drone whose only function in life is to provide comic relief to the PJM threads.
It’s pretty funny to see the all the Liberals now become the actual deniers. A few of them still hold onto Bush and his ‘lies’ as some comfort in the face of Algore making them all look so foolish.
Keep trying to defend these hoaxers.
For the extreme amount of money thrown at this global warming crap, all involved should be shot.
I’ll pull the trigger.
you libs got to be very arrogant to tell God ( go to hell) i can control the weather down here. I think you pissed him pretty well and D.C. is still shoveling. until algore cries uncle and give’s all the money he stole back to us,let it snow let it snow let it snow. Bet Dr. Katt works for the goverment. Did they put the idiots in jail that said we were going to freeze in the seventies or the people that said acid rain would kill us? in the eighties? No
then why would we put the idiots that believe in warming in jail?
Whacca ya talking about Slycat the tide has turned and more people each day are seeing AGW as nothing more than a scam to collect taxes and not help the ecosystem. Any movement that does not take into account the amountof sun spots on the sun (Sun putting out more heat) into the equation is a farce to begin with.
Maybe we can start investigating whole upper level educational industry where bight minds return to teach to others what they know best only to run out of our universities because they aren’t bringing in the funding for silly projects like this. The education system has become just another harbor for thieves and crooks to congregate. Their focus in on bringing in money and not educating.
As for egor, anyone remember one of the few posessions found by the FBI in Ted Kaczynski’s cabin? Do recall among his only possessions was an underlined copy of Al Gore’s Earth in the Balance circa 1992.
The environmentalist wackos are still telling themselves fibs. Too bad that the green religion has them so brain washed and are now all total strangers to the truth. Gore is quite a leader to them. So believable when he is telling his story. There was a famous radio personality that used to read stories to children, “Uncle Don” who AlGore sounds exactly like. Speaking of dumbing down these angry misanthropic green wackos are only a short trip to the nut house.
@ slycat: “Fortunately, the worldwide views on GW are overwhelmingly in favor of the science that proves GW is man made.. and action must be taken.”
You see suckers everyday.
Brian N wrote: “What makes you crack pots think you know more about science then people who have spent most of their lives studying the topic. Do you people not believe in greenhouse gases? Do you not believe in molecules? Do you not believe in physics?”
The people of whom you speak are NOT scientists. Science does not come to the table with preconceived theories and then match facts to fit the theory. Those you are defending are nothing more than charlatans, snake oil salesmen looking for “free” money extracted from the taxpayers and distributed by the government. THEY are the crackpots you need to blame for purposely misleading you and the rest of the Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change fanatics.
Climate has been changing on planet Earth for billions of years BEFORE there were such things as humans. While climate DOES change, usually on a cyclical basis, humans are NOT responsible for the change — and neither is carbon dioxide! The only way humans could change climate in any significant way would be as a result of a massive nuclear exchange — causing a “nuclear winter” effect. Even this would be only a temporary state of affairs — AS MOTHER EARTH WILL EVENTUALLY CORRECT FOR THE PROBLEM — and the cycling will return to normal.
Something the Cargo Cult “scientists” neglected to tell their worshipping followers is that we are currently in an interglacial period of the Pleistocene Ice Age. And, it is an historic FACT (not theory) that climate during an interglacial period changes RADICALLY. This is why Mann’s “hockey stick” is an artifact of his imagination — he totally neglects the Medeaval Warm Period of about 1,000 years ago when it was WARMER than currently. The illigitimate “science” cherry-picks data to show “massive” warming as we leave behind the Mini Ice Age which ended around 1850.
The non-scientific “scientists” blame the warming on industrialization and its carbon — not normal swings in climate expected in an interglacial. They hide from you the FACT that carbon dioxide increases in the atmosphere FOLLOW warming — it doesn’t CAUSE the warming. They also do not tell their cult followers that carbon dioxide’s effect as a greenhouse gas is miniscule compared to water vapor. Shall we all tax H2O, now, as well?
In 1837, Louis Agassiz first proposed his ice age hypothesis. To this very day, with all the scientific studies, ocean floor sediment cores, ice cores from both Greenland and Antarctic glaciers, computer models and satellite data — science STILL cannot tell us for certain exactly what drives climate change, initiating and ending glaciation. So, after 160 years of research, science is still stumped as to what causes climate change. Real scientists who study these things know it is not Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change, but their voices are drowned out by the fanatics in the employ of governments and NGOs who want to play God with the lives of all humanity.
So, Brian, before you go and accuse others of being unthinking, scientifically challenged illiterates, you might want to go and do a little reading on the subject of ice ages of the non-anthropogenic variety.
I’ve never believed the “man made global warming” propoganda. It has become a religion for those lacking another. Many like myself have never believed the myth because it doesn’t make sense, never did. Unless viewed as an attempt to create a world government, which it is. I’m so happy that the baloon has burst. Now watch the beauracracy act as if nothing has changed!
THANK YOU! Sen Inhofe, for having the courage to go after the truth.
These liars have convinced themselves that they are omnipotent, and have control over the universe.
To add insult to the injury they are doing to the economy, they intended to continue the farce and “invest wisely” with their fellow thieves, and then reap the benefits of their deception. (Not to mention poisoning us with mercury laden light-bulbs, and I’m sure so many other brilliant ideas that would be MANDATED and taxed…..making us even more subservient to the almighty Government)
I’m really annoyed that only one man is calling for justice over this plot against our society. Where are our Representatives? I hope preparing for retirement.
Can’t wait until the Republicans have a majority in the house and can put on their own show trials.
Senator Inhofe for President!
Absolutely, Gore should be called back to the Senate to defend himself. I can recall when he testified before the Senate on “Climate Change,” rather than get the sort of serious cross-examination others who appear before Senate panels get, Gore was thrown a long series of softball questions and accolades.
Perhaps arguing with fringe loonies, who don’t even believe in evolution, is pointless but whatever. I just do not understand how you can all be so sure that the majority of scientists are wrong, while you are right. I definitely do not think any one side is 100% right. I would give it a 70/30 that climate change is man made. The problem is that if you guys are wrong then it will be to late to fix the possible catastrophe. If I am wrong then we have more renewable fuels and are less dependent on foreign oil.
Heah sly, perhaps you should read the press outside of the United States. Even the Guardian concedes that the books have been cooked. IPCC AR4 report has been put in the trash. The CRU database has been shown to be garbage. Both the GISS and the GCHN databases show marks of manipulation and cherry picking. In particular the GISS database has moved steadily south and the entire Canadian Arctic is represented by 3 stations. Show me the data instead of Lysenkist talking points. (Like BC, you will fail to do so because you are just blowing smoke.)
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PHONEY SCAM, I HAVE SAID….”FOLLOW THE MONEY!”
Al Gore alone went from having about $25 Million in the bank to closer to $200 Million by the second year of this scam…FOLLOW THE MONEY!
THE EARTH NATURALLY COOLS AND WARMS EVERY FEW YEARS…..AND SO DO THE OTHER PLANETS!
JUST EXACTLY HOW MANY CARS, TRUCKS, AIR PLANES, TRAINS, AND GASEOUS COWS LIVE ON THE PLANETS? HMMMMMMM?
What ever happened to the Charlie Rangel investigation?
Jan Conroy, Clearly if anyone was to say the climate does not change they would be ignoring history. The question for us then becomes, what is the natural rate of change and our we as humans influencing that rate. Nature is in a constant state of change and thus pushing evolution. We have also had historical extinction periods. But if we look at the rate of extinction us humans are causing on a daily basis the rate is significantly higher. To me your logic would have me believe that us destroying the rain forest is not affecting the amount of species on the planet because historically we have had massive die offs, so there is no possible way were are influencing the rate. To me this is simple, carbon and methane are gases that reflect heat escaping from earth back toward the surface (green house gases). The more of these molecules you pump into the atmosphere the more heat is reflected back to the surface. Also how do you explain the increased PH in the ocean?
I never bought in, predicting the weather/climate over time can’t be done as it is unknowable and has the same accuracy as say picking horses, lotto numbers, stock winner/losers, etc.
Is this too simple of an observation or am I missing something here?
A Poem For Al Gore
There once was a guy named Gore
we just couldn’t believe anymore
like a river from a melting glacier
his hype flowed away for sure
he may still have faith he is bolder
because of the bad man Holder
but the myth of carbon greenhouse gas
will just have to kiss our
It’s bad enough Al Gore has stolen billions from hard working Americans by perpetrating this scam. The worst part is he’s laughing at all of us sitting in his 88 degree heated olympic sized pool while planning another vacation on a private jet that will burn more fuel in 4 hours than the average American consumes in 25 years of driving!
The fact that rabid denialists and their ilk are ready to hitch their wagon to the ramblings of Chemical Imhofe only shows the level and length of outright ignorance many are willing to accept–all still in the face of overwhelming evidence of man’s impact on the environment. Cherry-picking shards of contradictory research findings to further your own bias is still largely in the minds of the denialists and not in the sum overview of science as a whole. But go ahead, rant on, it’s humorous, in a pathetically ingnorant, paranoid sort of way.
People of OK – you should be proud of your senator!!
I believe in climate change: hot, cold, warm!!!! I also believe in daylight savings. I believe in the 4 seasons (not the band). I am not a denier, I understand things change. It’s called sun spots. I also know that more toxic gasses were emitted by Mount St. Helens than 100+ years of automobile exhausts. If we throw billions of dollars into a volcano, would that help the planet or would that make you liberal intellectuals feel less guilty. Maybe we can shower the third world dictators with more billions so they might like us better. See who is behind the curtain of this AGW scam and the truth will come out. Out of power communists trying to create a new world order through the UN. I saw some pretty bad changes last year starting January 21, 2009. I expect to see some pretty good changes November 4th, 2010 and January 21, 2013. Albert Einstein said “Creativity is greater than knowledge.” I have a Master’s Degree in Common Sense; and guess what, common sense isn’t common. Bring on the name calling, because you have zero validation to these lies.
from Ricardo:
“We should first investigate Senators who wear tin-foil hats and the rest of the uninformed deniers out there.”
Uninformed? Only the AGW fanatics seem to be uninformed. In fact, slycat, judging by most of the posts here, the “deniers” seem to be marvelously well-informed, as they present facts (gneubecks’s post above slycat’s) while left-wing dingbats sneer about “dumb Americans” (they are so much smarter, of course) while producing no facts whatsoever. Instead, they cast aspersions and prattle about a non-existent “consesus” that is “overwhelming”. These are the same people that tell you that Obama’s 51% win was a “landslide”.
There is no science anywhere that proves, in any way, that AGW is real or man-made, even assuming that 1) the Earth is actually warming, and 2.) carbon levels are increasing. Here is where science-deficient AGW fans confuse correlation with causation – just because two things seem to happen at the same time is no proof that one caused the other. You might have a theory that there is causation, but that would have to be proven by experiment. It hasn’t.
BTW, to the person who wrote that a liberal fascist dictatorship was an oxymoron, I ask you to talk to someone from Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, or dozens of other hell-holes what happened when the idealistic lefties came to power. Whenever left-wing loons are allowed to rule unchecked, a fascist state is always created. Read “Liberal Fascism” by Goldman, or just check out “Inconvenient Truth” and laugh about how none of what Al Gore said has come true.
To jay wolfe: They already did.
Why can we have congressional hearing on baseball players, toyota gas pedals…. but they cant find good reason to let his propsal for a hearings to go through. seems to be a bit more important than any other stuff they are working on.. and I use the term “working” lightly.
I will reduce using my fossil fuels when AlGore moves from his 10k+ square foot home and flies common carriers. In the mean time- does anyone sell a diesel laptop? And I was hoping for beachfront in the Poconos!
When will junk science end? To meet the definition of science that is taught in school- the scientific process needs to be
1.Observable
2.Measurable
3.Repeatable
Otherwise it is not a scientific finding.
The earliest models of climate change (aka “Global Warming”) ALL called for extreme winters with record snow, etc. Warmer tides (as in an El Nino) produce more moisture, more snow, etc. A COLD WINTER DOES NOT CONTRADICT BUT INDEED GIVES CREDIBILITY TO THE FACT OF GLOBAL WARMING.
And let’s bring back the incandescent light so I can have just one light in my reading area instead of 3 or 4!
“someone who denied scientific fact ”
You mean like Gore, Mann, Hansen and the rest of those propounding pseudoscientific bullshit?
We skeptics are PRO-science, fool.
I want my goddam incandescent light bulbs to remain LEGAL.
Get the government out of my light fixtures!
The light from CFLs sucks, and the mercury that escapes when one breaks contaminates the planet, turning people’s homes into hazardous waste sites.
Pro-mercury? Pro-nuclear power? Anti-photosynthesis? How is this ENVIROMENTALISM?
>in the face of overwhelming evidence…
All of it fraudulent.
All of it.
To tdiinva: you can ask me anything, but be prepared to not be suffered gladly (or gently). So are saying that all of this was just a dream?
To Tex Taylor: Oklahoma makes Alabama look smart and sophisticated.
>If I am wrong then we have more renewable fuels and are less dependent on foreign oil.
No, if you are wrong, our economy will be in utter ruins, billions will suffer needlessly, criminals like the carbon credit scammers will flourish, and we will be too weakened as a nation to defend ourselves from China and other enemies.
Hoaxes are not harmless.
Technological progress is driven by economic prosperity, not by desperation.
Al Gore should have to pay back 500 million he took from us in that stimulus fraud hoax. He should also have to pay back the millions he has already made from all of this.
Look out, here it comes!! Deeeeniers! Dee dee ni ers! Deee de duh dee dee, duh-niers! Hey, it’s an easy comeback when you have no proof! Call Allan Colmes, he’ll tell you it is a proven fact no matter what is found out and Al Whore who’s prostituted this thing to a full time sham will certainly come forward and call you names too! DENIERS!!!
Gah! Love the obsession with this site regarding “ClimateGate”! Almost 20 headlines and counting.
Inhofe is an r-tard. His campaign contributors help to clarify his “stance” about climate change and energy: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00005582&cycle=2010
GW is real. Period. Science backs it up. Pick and choose what you want to believe, but understand that your grandchildren curse your r-tardness in the future.
Preaching to the wrong crowd, of course, but it must be said.
RUN, AL GORE RUN !
This global Trillions of dollars ripoff is the worst scam ever perpetrated.Gore alonmg wioth the profiteers,read that as those with grants who did this for fame and money need to go to jail…forever!,,,Madoff should be their cellmate as they should all be in the same cell.
I think the reason we’re not seeing much of Algore is because he’s having an extended Maalox Moment. Either that or he’s doing a lot of overtime trying to get the “fix” set up for him from his political buddies if ever it comes down to his appearing before Congress (which is highly doubtful).
i am female and a recovering liberal. i came to my senses about the time i turned 30. i am not paranoid about manmade global warming. i read in the NYT (i know, i know) that women are 30% more likely to believe in manmade global warming than men. as per texas firefighters history lesson, can we change that to “women and girlie-men are 30% more likely to believe in manmade global warming”?
just curious about the “men” defending al gore…are you all in portland, Oregon? we have a shortage of real men here. texas FF – any chance you would consider moving?
Maybe the sheeple are starting to wake up. You think so?
NAAA!!
http://www.theamericansheeple.com/globalscamming.html
Baaaa!!
Yes, Neil, a statistical “trick” is a method used to manipulate data – chiefly to be used when your dataset has problems. If the data aren’t settled, the science cannot be.
My background: doctorate in clinical pharmacy. If a pharmaceutical company went to the FDA seeking approval of a new drug, and presented the kind of data that Mann, Jones, et al. have generated, they would be laughed out of the hearing room.
There is absolutely nothing in climate research which justifies policy changes. The data just aren’t that robust. If they were, there would be no need to “sex up” UN reports and blacklist critics.
Having said all this though, there is no way in hell that the government is going to investigate any malfeasance here. They’ve figured out a way literally to tax everything that moves, and they will not let their grand schemes be derailed by the facts.
Strap in guys; this will get worse before it gets better.
I propose a trial in absentia. Based on video, written or audio representations from the liars. This would be quick, cheap and if placed on you tube, could wake up kids who have been lied to by teachers and award winning movies, for years.
Thank you Mr Inhofe for your passion. I pray for your safety, because the Eco- nuts are closer to communists than peace-nicks.
God Speed!
I welcome this FULL DISCLOSED INVESTIGATION – I have nothing to fear from it! See this where the truth will be told – You fear this ONLY if you have something to hide – or do not wish to reveal or see. If you have nothing to fear – you have no reason to say, “NO” to this … either way – WE ALL WIN!! TRUTH WILL BE TOLD/REVEALED!
Al Gore, once and idiot always an idiot…….. I think he just exploded… HEHEHEHEHEHE
Is it not ironic that Gore’s movie was called “An Inconvenient Truth”. The real inconvenient truth is that it is all a lie!
I suppose we can say Americans do appear to be dumb. We have for too long trusted those in power.
At last we are starting to speak out. If not for the internet there is little telling what would have happened in our country and how in the dark we would have been kept.
No longer trust politicians. They need to be called up to testify, now.
and give back all that green money and the statue!!! I do believe they think they are above us and do not owe us an explanation of their lies.
BC, I didn’t ask for a citation. I asked for your credentials. The fact that you didn’t produce them tells me and everyone else on PJM that if have graduated high school and gone to college you majored in something like sociology, journalism or some victim group studies. Like Al Gore you got a D in “rocks for jocks”, never took math beyond high school algebra II and are generally ignorant of the sciences and mathematics. If this weren’t true you would be citing scientific studies, defending the data and model results with technical explanations instead of mouthing insults and talking points. While you have been embarrassing again here a newer article appeared about how Sen Boxer and the EPA disowned the CRU based IPCC AR4 report. Your talking points are already OBE.
I guess he thought up this scam right after he invented the internet. As for his Nobel prize, what did you expect from the same folks who later gave Obama one for doing nothing.
From Wikipedia on KPCB, a venture capital firm:
High-profile KPCB partner Al Gore has been under even more scrutiny. On April 24, 2009, during a congressional hearing, Tennessee Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn asked Gore if he was a member of KPCB, and then inquired: “The legislation that we are discussing here today, is that something that you are going to personally benefit from?”[10] She cited constituent concerns about Gore’s role with KPCB as the reason for her inquiry.[11] Gore stated that every penny made from his investments were put in a non-profit to spread awareness of climate change. The exchange ended with Gore stating: “Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country? . . . I am proud of it. I am proud of it.”[12] The Gore-Blackburn exchange was not widely publicized by major news outlets like The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times until November 3, 2009 — more than five months after its occurrence — upon the revelation that KPCB had indirectly landed a $560 million taxpayer-funded contract from the U.S. government.[13][14]
We cannot begin to control the weather. How can we ever begin to control our climate?
And CO2 has a small effect as a greenhouse gas. Water vapor is the major factor.
Man’s emissions making the Earth warmer? The climate swings up and down continually. Let’s remember that most of the previous hundreds and thousands of warm and cold spells happened well before man even inhabited the earth.
“302. Korla Pundit:
I want my goddam incandescent light bulbs to remain LEGAL.”
Indeed, I thought it was the liberal position that what you turned on in your own bedroom was none of governments business.
Here is a song I yanckoviched. I call it “Gore Pigs”
“Liberals gathered in their masses
educated dumb asses.
Claiming super enlightened power
from the truth the run and cower.
Oh Lord Yeah
…”
Thank God Al Gore wasn’t elected in 2000. Can you imagine what life would be like? It’s bad enough under TheBama.
To tdiinva: Ahrrrk, brrk brrk brrk brrk…..
BC,
I dare not diss another fine red state, so tip of the hat to Bama for your sophistication. Great football too! Alabamans were indeed smart to reject The Bomba and Marxist philosophy before the facts of ineptness became so apparent.
However BC, let us give credit where credit is due. Alabama was not as nearly as intuitive as my “backwards” state, who voted even more overwhelmingly against THE ONE than any other; make that 2-1 overwhelming.
Add to the fact my little unsophisticated state still operates as in the black, have a rainy day fund set aside to combat federal Democratic inanity, and enjoy employment well above the national average, I think you would be forced to admit that maybe your definition of “smart” and “sophisticated” aren’t what they are appear to be.
Enjoy your Chardonnay in the soup line BC…
308. avoidswork:
“GW is real. Period. Science backs it up.”
Well, that’s that then.
Obviously avoids more than just work.
Anybody that has bought into anthropogenic global warming or climate change is either sorely ignorant or the politically correct stupid. There has existed data for some time showing at various times in the earth’s history very low CO2 levels on earth with very high temps and very high levels of CO2 with very low temps show that the correlation of CO2 levels and earth’s temperatures to not be absolutely correlated. This means there is another (other) more significant factor(s) involved and research has shown a strong correlation between the earth’s temperature and the activity of the sun. The fact that there isn’t an absolute correlation between CO2 levels and the earth’s temps should give rise to a pause before vilifying and penalizing CO2 production and destroying economies. CO2 is going to destroy the earth by raising its temperature, but not always. This is at best a very simplistic/weak theory where the “sun theory” is a much stronger theory. This anthropogenic global warming is more about politics than science. It is the new secular religion – inquisition.
tdub:
What’s really pathetic is cluless libs coming on here armed with nothing better than talking points from realclimate or climateprogressw, utterly clueless that the Warm-mongers’ pat answers are so past their sell-by date they’re starting to reek. Especially funny is the claim that faith in the Church of Climatology means being pro-science!
Just want to say — that’s my senator. You Go Jim!
He was never taken in by the non-science, the ignoring of massive amounts of data or the Discovery Channel photo-ops….and neither was I.
I didn’t know then, that the data presented was being fudged, but I knew based on my own memories and life experience that there had been hotter summers and weirder weather long before that non-existant hockey stick was presented as the “final proof”.
My own investigations — again based on historical evidence rather than ideological speculation — resulted in more evidence refuting rather than supporting the idea of global warming or any other anthropological climate change.
“304. BC:
To Tex Taylor: Oklahoma makes Alabama look smart and sophisticated.”
Dang BC… your mother be droolin’. That is “Okie” for “the best part of you ran down your mama’s leg….punk”.
Have a nice day.
A Simple “Okie” Bricklayer.
320. tdiinva:
‘BC, I didn’t ask for a citation. I asked for your credentials.’
Good luck with that. Or with trying to pin him down on any outrageous statement he makes about science or technology. All you will get is a stream of poorly chosen and woefully misunderstood links that at best MAY tangentially relate to the point at hand.
BC’s been told that is is as smart as can be by people who in the long run have done him no good by telling him that. He cannot keep himself from trying to prove his superiority, and by extension all progressives’ superiority, in every arena including science. Great self-esteem and incapable of admitting when he’s outmatched.
This should be entertaining read if he takes the bait.
ang, where do you live, I could consider moving? I’ve lived most of my life in Texas, and recently moved back from San Franciso trying to build another business. Boy they hate Texans there. I had to remind many of them that I was a frontloader, not a back hoe. All they talked about was hating Bush; I told them to buy a razor and clip their’s. I think most men are so occupied with trying to get along with women and get invited to the social parties, that they forgot who their supposed to be. Women want “real men” that provide for them and protect them. Of course I don’t mean the overbearing types. There are still John Wayne’s in America, but not in California or New York.
You know, BC, your ad hominem arguments wouldn’t bother me as much if there weren’t so unsophisticated.
Or, in the case of the AIP thing, your appeal to authority. In this case, it’s a lovely example of why the appeal to authority isn’t a good choice: you have a bunch of physicists who, in their assertion of agreeing to a consensus, are agreeing to the results of the IPCC process, which is increasingly clearly very poor science that was purposefully slanted. The flaws are so great that now even the EPA is running away from the IPCC (see may later story today that’s sharing the lead on the front page.)
You might recall the (apocryphal?) story about Einstein: when the Special Theory was published, a hundred scientists signed a joint letter saying they opposed it. Einstein, when told about it, said “If the theory were false, it would only have taken one.”
The main study on the second-hand smoke was performed by government-paid drones who had the predetermined outcome set up. The “study” included 1070 elderly women who never smoked but nevertheless contracted lung cancer. They were asked if their parents, one or both, smoked when these women were children, Some 170 of these unfortunate women did have such a parent – about 16% of them. Conclusion – second-hand smoke is carcinogen!
However, when these elderly women were born – in the 1930′s and 1940′s – some 75% of men smoked and about 30% of women did. So at least 75% od those elderly women with lung cancer did have one or both parents who smoked. So, as a true scientist should have concluded, only the excess in lung cancer over the average of 720 women should have been atributed to second-hand smoke!
What this study really showed is that the second-hand smoke in fact immunized the women against contracting lung cancer!!!
Just like small injections of weakened bacteria makes us immune to the real infections by deadly bacteria and viruses, so the second-hand smoke immunizes children against lung cancer.
305. korla Pundit
No, if you are wrong, our economy will be in utter ruins, billions will suffer needlessly, criminals like the carbon credit scammers will flourish, and we will be too weakened as a nation to defend ourselves from China and other enemies.
Ok who are these Billions who will suffer. Are you talking about the people who live on coast or near the deserts who are anticipated to suffer the worst from global warming? I am sorry were the Manhattan and Space programs created by prosperity or a massive push by the government. What crack are you smoking? Look at history much? Humans create best when pushed to the edge. Having the most advanced solar panels, wind turbines, and nuclear generators will keep this great Country on top of the worlds economy. Where were all you paranoid freaks during the bush years, when he was systematically taking away our liberties?
IT’s illegal to yell “FIRE” without a cause in a movie theater. Also, it’s illegal to commit libel or slander, etc. So, likewise, Al Gore’s free speech should not be based on manipulative SOCIAL ENGINEERING for profit.
Not bad for Pond Scum. Way to go dookie!
A ’65 Terp
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;292/5515/270
You guys wanted one person who said the climate change was anthropogenic, well here are some scientists.
If anybody actually cares about the environment, the Green movement’s gains should all be reversed. Who, for a minute, believes that solar or wind are clean, especially after seeing the destruction caused by the solar cell manufacturers in China. When flocks of migratory birds are wiped out by new wind farms, why are the Greenies in denial? When habitats for desert turtles, etc are wiped out by new Solar farms, why are the Greenies still in denial? If Solar was so effective, the Iranians would be after it. However, nobody is putting them to the fire about solar when it comes to nuclear power. The Green platform is bad for the earth. Period.
I became aware of global warming research in the ’70s, when it was not as politicised as now. Today the issue is far more politics than science, which is unfortunate because the science on the topic has important implications. All the politics prompted me to create my own web page on the subject at http://www.jreality.com/poli/warming.html Comments welcome.
Follow the money they say. This shows who is getting paid. Looks like Inhofe is making a fortune!
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/maps.php
I’m an embarrassed and angry Liberal Democrat. It upsets me that people like Gore have taken the ideas and issues that are important to me and other Liberal voters and used them to mislead us to enrich themselves. Gore’s dishonesty and thievery discredits the best of us, and makes us look like idiots. His actions do nothing but harm our cause and make us all look like hypocrites–all because he’s just a greedy white dude, willing to do anything to fill his pockets. I urge the Senate and the Justice Dept. to investigate all of the players involved in this Climate Change debacle. Investigate all of their shady financial dealings related to “Carbon Credits,” any and all Federal and State grants, subsidies and loans, and any related regulatory decisions related to their fraud. If these comprehensive investigations find wrong doing, I strongly urge the Senate to issue real punishments. Real and large fines, actual and significant prison sentences, and other appropriate punishments. (For example, Scientists involved in this fraud must be punished harshly according to criminal fraud standards, and they must be barred from returning to work in their fields, or any other positions that rely on government funding.) I’ve had enough of politicians using the idealism of my generation to get rich! Gore, Pelosi, Obama and other so-called “Democrats” have lied to us to get our support, broken all their promises, and sold out our ideals for power and money. Enough already! It has to stop!
I was going to say that all BC has done is shown that he knows how to use Google. A baboon can do that. And then his next post makes baboon noises.
Phew! … What a lot of hoodoo … the avatar of currently corrupt enterprise … Settle back and enjoy the show … Gore, displaying an unexpected flash of salesmanship, guile and audacity has hoodwinked a few hundred million of us with a style and panache worthy of envy and admiration … The Nobel and a few hundred million dollars in booty … a wonderful modern-day Black Beard who has made off with a huge fortune without the knowledge (the core of the earth is not a million degrees) of a fifth grade earth sciences student … He almost single-handed, with a helpful Wall Street Veteran, settled the science and the scientists and the stormy sea of scientific discontent … silently and with amazing stealth picked the pockets of governments, corporations, banks, congresses, individuals rich and poor, all in the name of a savior, saving a planet which is driven by forces beyond control … turned logic, geology and empirical thought upside down in bright daylight on an international series of stages in front of some of our brightest and best minds … has made a public display of personal emissions of CO2 larger than just about anyone … Sit back and enjoy the global circus in the knowledge that there really is no shortage of oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear, geo-thermal, solar or timber related energy resources … that energy is infinite and that man will be gone long before energy is consumed … that the largest populations on the planet are not about to restrict the progress of their people or the pollution they contribute to the biosphere … That production of CO2 is necessary and generally contributes to fun, fun, fun and comfort and speed … that trees are good and that the comic and tragic consequences of activities, yours included are great entertainment for anyone willing to watch … give Gore his due … and enjoy his clear success and victory as one of the most successful con-men of all times … you must laugh, it is hilarious … and it is really only money and entertainment after all ….
Bring all the other green boys and green girls in as well.
Obama ” the time for talk is over” should be right next to Gore.
This is the biggest fraud in the history of man. They make Maddoff look like a corner lemonade style fraud.
Betcha Gore is off at some tropical spot this winter while we had to slosh through snow in Tennesee, Georgia, Alabama and the Carolina’s.
Obama and company Hoax you can believe in!!1
Maybe one of these days a huge asteroid will hit the Earth and give everyone a real problem to solve. Did Al Gore invent asteroids? I hope not. I’m so confused!!!
Algore should also refund that whole telephone tax to wire internet cables in to the schools, especially since wireless is now the thing.
Global Warming is a big fat lie, just as everything coming out of liberals mouth is a 180 degree turn from the truth! Anything government is involved with is inefficient, in debt, over-budget, dumbed down, destroying family, small business, freedom, honesty, intelligence, and the American way of capitalism, competition, excellence, entrepreneurism, exceptionalism, and work ethics.
Wonderful Senator Inhofe! Expose the crooks like Al Gore and the scum of Climategate!
Actually, Follow the money? Al G-hore, the swindler has made millions!
Brian N.,
Psst, IF the earth is in a natural warming cycle (which it empirically is not), how on earth will we as a species survive – I mean, the abundant crops!! the stronger immune systems from enhanced Vitamin D3 synthesis in our bodies!!! the mood-pleasing warmth stimulating , ahem, productivity , nudge, nudge!! Oh, the humanity!!!
How did we survive the much greater Medieval warming period? Besides cultivating Greenland, discovering the New World, longer lifespans, the Renaissance, etc etc, what good came from it? Oh, Brian, to be so accutely aware of the facts like you are – ah, to dream!
BC,
Next spring the birds won’t hatch; DDT kills!!!!; watch out for the acid rain; make sure your computer rolls over the date properly on 12/31/2010; move South before the next Ice Age; then move North when it starts getting too warm!! You are the sound and the fury, signifying nothing.
oh crud, what a hoot!!!
Politicians that lie!! NEVER!!! hahahahaha
HE *THEY* LIED TO US!!!! HE, *THEY* PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!
The lie to us…because we are so easily taken in and never never never fight back!!!
draw and quarter each and every one!!!!
Ya gotta give the Lefties points for creativity and initiative, using pseudoscience to leverage social and political change. This is the greatest scam ever, better than the South Sea Bubble, more lucrative than Tulipmania, convincing millions more people than any of the Crusades. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a dullard and a slacker. Should they prosecute these people? Well, why not? If they deliberately falsified documents for financial gain, how are they any different from Nigerian 419 scammers? And it has to make more than a few people queasy that Osama bin Laden made a statement supporting reparations for poor nations for the global warming caused by rich nations. That’s why we blogged about this recently on President Suit, Savior of the World. http://patrioticmobster.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/where-in-the-world-is-al-gore/
10. If they really wanted people to quit smoking by playing up fears, they’d be telling people cigarettes are radioactive (which they are, the polonium-210 in tobacco leaves gives a pack-a-day smoker more than five times the background radiation dose, or equivalently, about 1/3 of the occupational dose limits for radiation workers). People would either cease fearing radiation, so that we would have no inhibitions against nuclear power, or else they’d throw their cigarettes away as though they were nuclear waste.
Sen. Inhofe’s been fighting to expose this fraud for quite a while and my hat’s off to him. I’m THRILLED to hear him calling for investigations. Keep applying pressure, Senator.
To the AGW believers: Wouldn’t you be glad to have an investigation that should bring so many “facts” to the public’s attention? What, exactly, are you afraid of?
Thank God for people like Rush Limbaugh. He has constantly trumpeted that the whole global warming / climate change “thing” is a hoax for over 20 years. Blow-hards like algore and the elite professor mann from PSU were always ready to grab a microphone to spew their diatribe on the premise of false science, but NEVER willing to debate the topic. Only willing to PROFIT from the topic. These two men, and many others of their ilk, should be wearing orange jumpsuit for the next 30 years.
Thanks Rush!!!
A really interesting thread. I especially like the intellectual infants’ methods of attack.
My credentials are rather light. Just a B.S. in Mech. Engineering.
A few extra courses in statistical methods. And, computer stuff.
That was rather “advanced” in 1966. And, I’ve been retired 13 years.
We engineers have an advantage over “scientists after grants”. We make stuff that works. Or, we do studies that are reality based.
I did do more than a few scientific studies in my time. Using the scientific method. How come I knew about the scientific method before I ever went to college ? Good grade school and secondary school teachers. And, maybe all those hours as little kid under a blanket reading encyclopedia’s with a flashlight at night ?
Or, maybe it was working summers on ranches with cowboys that helped me identify those AGW dudes as full of horsesh_t right off the bat. Cowboys spot that. You can’t bullsh_t cowboys, even if they don’t know diddly about the subject. They know how to “read a man”. Poker playing, you know.
A scientist doesn’t say “it’s settled, bug off”. At that point, you just dig for where they’ve buried the bodies. They will be near the surface. And they will stink.
It’s not an accident that the cowboy country Okie’s have two good senators.
Stick a fork in it, Gore- this scam is done!
@340
Dude, that article was written in 2001. Is that supposed to be sarcastic?
Science 13 April 2001:
Vol. 292. no. 5515, pp. 270 – 274
also, let’s get a refund on the Oscar and Nobel prizes.
Wow. You people all remind me of the inmates of the mental hospital where my mother once worked. Nothing personal.
308
Any reason you couldn’t have just substituted e’s for those -’s?
Press Hard That Fat Al-Gore. Clip His Lying Liberal Lips. Get Him Off The Necks Of US; Hang That Al-Batross on Obamas Sinking Ship of State.
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So if Gore was a greedy non-white dude, that would somehow change things? AKA what the hell does the color of Gore’s skin have to do with anything. Sad that there are still so many racists out there.
I read that this global warming scam duped us of between 50 and 80 billion dollars. Bernie Madoff went to jail for scamming folks for about the same amount. Is scamming taxpayers not a crime? Nothing will happen because the politicians who jumped on the bandwagon won’t want to have to answer for their own involvement.
I am a smoker,but many people that gave up used to hassle me to give up,and I always have 1 argument,if the world’s politicos who are there to care for us “the stupid masses”lol then surely with these ridiculous stats that fly around regarding how bad smoking is for us the evil smokers surely these “honourable politicos” would immediately close down the whole tobacco industry.
Regarding the Nobel “Peace Prize” a refund is definitely forthcoming,I am very involved in animal welfare,and Obama is making Bush look like a Sunday school teacher.
smarock10@yahoo.com
Senator Inhofe is a courageous defender of our freedoms. God Bless him. I pray for the exposure of these malicious frauds who have been force-feeding this leftist agenda to our children for years.
Let it be foremost in the minds of the deceivers that they are going to jail. JAIL! Not only for AGW fraud but for the violations they have committed against their oaths of office. They have gone where Angels fear to tread. The Angels know they cannot violate the laws of truth and justice. They fear God. The leftists don’t believe in truth and justice and do not fear God.
They currently think the AG will protect them and they are right but it won’t be long before their protectors are long gone or in prison themselves. Americans will have long memories in this case and we won’t be moving on until we see justice done for all. It is a choice for us but it is also a requirement that we restore truth and justice in our land.
Never happen.
Democrats will bury this,
they will never open a can of worms involving one of their own or their pet projects.
They are safe for now.
But trolls be advised-
When the skies of November turn gloomy,
we Independents will bury your Democrats and open up several cans of worms.
Where is the counterpoint?
I do have to say to anonymous though, 2.5 million cigarettes alone would overfill a 10 x 10 x 10 room. No science,
just math. Estimated size of cigarette: .25″ x .25″ x 3″, total, .75 cubic inch X 2,500,000 = 1,875,000 cubic inches divided by 1728 (cubic inches per foot) = 1085.76 cubic feet. Not much room for air to burn in there.
Oh wait, I see. Anonymous uses a unit of measure of surface area rather than a unit of measure for volume. So I guess we have to assume that anonymous means a standard room with 8 foot ceilings, in that case 9 x 20 x 8 = 1440
cubic feet.
Still not a lot of room for combustion, but I quess you might be able to get them to stay lit for an hour. I don’t know, I’m not a scientist. But I did get through elementary school, so let’s see. An average deep breath is about a quart (still using volume here) As an ex smoker I assume that no cigarette is going to last more than 20 drags so
20 quarts per cigarette x 2,500,000 = 50,000,000 quarts. There are about 28 quarts in a cubic foot of air, so although it’s an open question how long the oxygen necessary for combustion will last, it does seem uncertain that it will last the hour needed to complete the test.
Of course I’m just using this to point up my original question. The vast majority of these posts follow this line, “I heard it somewhere, I agree with it so it must be right”. To paraphrase my friend Brian at last nights poker game, “Veracity is not a function of volume” or saying it louder doesn’t make it truer.
And for you un-challenged math people, try this. Estimated world automobile population, 900,000,000. My assumed average engine size, 4 liters (mainly just to make the math easier, I originally figured this after listening to some
psuedo conservative pundit rant about the agw “debate” driving home from work, the actual average is probably closer to 3) Average engine rpm at 70 mph is around 2000. So per hour air intake per vehicle at 70 mph is 48000 liters. (again for simplicity I’m going to change liters to quarts since they’re pretty close.) 2000 rev per minute x 4 liters per rev x 60 min per hour = 48000 liters (quarts) per hour. 48000 qts = 12000 gal = 1714 cubic ft per hour.
Every hour at 70 mph an average car cycles through its engine the volume of air in a room 10 ft x 10 ft x 17 ft.
1700 x 900,000,000 = 1,530,000,000,000 cubic ft per hour. There are roughly 188,000,000,000 cubic feet per cubic mile, so 1,530,000,000,000 cu ft/hr divided by 188,000,000,000 cu ft/cu mi = 8.14 cu miles. Every hour at 70 mph
cars run 8 cubic miles of atmosphere through their engines. Of course that leaves out planes, trains, boats and power plants.
The surface area of the earth is roughly 200,000,000 sq miles. The important part of the atmosphere (in this instance, of course it’s all important) is 7 miles thick, for a volume of 1,400,000,000 cubic miles. So 1,400,000,000
divided by 8 = 175,000,000. The entire atmosphere of the earth is circulated through the car engines running at 70 mph in 175,000,000 hours. That’s about 18000 years, or about twice the time that we have been what we call, apparently jokingly, civilized. (If you’re a creationist and haven’t left already you may want to take this opportunity to bow out now.)
And therein lies the rub. Eighteen thousand sounds like a lot of years, but in geologic time it is the merest fraction of the blink of an eye. Yes, it’s true that humans don’t operate on geologic time, but that misses the point. To alter the atmospheric composition at anything other than the geologic time frame is playing with fire.
To knowingly do it at a rate that is hundreds to thousands of times faster than say, the rate at which the atmosphere changed from reducing to oxidizing, is stupid and as far from the true definition of conservative as one could possibly get.
Based on the most of these posts, the only conclusion I can reach is that the posters idea of conservatism is “I want it my way”
“Since the Climategate files were released, the IPCC has been forced to retract a number of specific conclusions”
A number of them? That means more than one. We’ve all heard about the 2035 figure – what other “number” of specific conclusions has the IPCC been forced to retract “Since the Climategate files were released”
Just curious. I’m sure it’s a very long list for a congressman to be calling for a witch hunt.
Mann will be cleared. No doubt if ken starr was investigating we’d get to hear all about mann’s porn collection (or something), but based on what has been published, mann apparently does not have a case to answer. If we’re going to have public investigations every time a congressman doesn’t like an opinion, things are going to go downhill pretty quickly.
i hope these people get what they deserve, it started with margret thatcher and ended with the university of east anglia. its about time we dont believe the propaganda the governments over the world throw at us. i bet some people are feeling a little bit stupid now. and with this the african continent can prevail and not be stopped by “climate laws” by having to use expensive renewable sources. but although i dont believe a single word of the MAN MADE global warming, we need to remember the lessons learnt, dont waste the non-renewable sources we have, and dont treat the environment like its invincible.
I see much disagreement on wheather or not climate change is real (I think we can all agree the climate has changed and will continue to do so) The debate comes when some experts claim man is responsible.In the wake of “climategate” (gawd, I hate adding Gate to every controversy) it seems that those who back the man made theory would welcome congressional scrutiny. As they are so certain of their science. This would be the opportunity to once and for all at the national level on C-span prove the skeptics wrong………….or not.
#343 Joe: Before you worry about Inhofe’s funding you might consider the articles here and here. It turns out that the Climate Research Unit receives a lot of funding from Big Oil; they also receive a lot of funding a number of businesses that have a stake in encouraging carbon trading. In Inhofe is taited, so should the CRU be tainted.
#373 Matthew: Besides 2035, there are acknowledged errors in the misstatement of conclusions about the impact of warming on hurricanes, on Amazon rain forests, and on the impact of sea level rise in the Netherlands. They’ve also acknowledged that they made extensive use of non-reviewed advocacy material, treating it as peer-reviewed science. While it’s not strictly a retraction, Murari Lal, one of the section editors, also acknowledged that the report was written as a political advocacy document to have the maximum effect on policymakers rather than as the balanced scientific presentation required by the IPCC charter.
There is a link to the Inhofe report above; reading it will give you a more extensive list of errors in the IPCC reports.
To Brian N.,
If you follow your logic just a little farther, you’d realize that those “scientists” that don’t make a lot of money were fixing the data to continue to receive Gov’t. grants so they could continue to pay their mortgages and etc. There was a gravy train they didn’t want to upset.
No less important is another way that Obama and his merry men are wanting to control our lives: health care.
So, here’s a cause that the Republicans should take up:
THE WAY to Really Call The Democrats’ Bluff and Save Us in the Process
Barak Obama just wants to give granny a pain killer, not treat her condition. And the state of Oregon would rather assist suicide than give one of its residents cancer treatments/medications.
In response, here’s what we do:
Introduce and pass legislation that would prevent the Federal government, or any of its agencies, from harming us, killing us, or otherwise prevent us from receiving life-preserving treatment, as a matter of its operating any sort of health care system.
Push for a constitutional amendment. Really raise as much stink as possible.
Credit Rose Pappas, senior citizen, Chicago, Illinois.
Let’s get behind this. I have a premium membership with Rush and have already emailed him. If you have access to Glenn Beck and/or Sean Hannity and/or Mark Levin through premium membership, please email them.
It should be obvious to most honest and authentic open minded people by now that “science” has been and is still being utilized with great affect to manipulate the minds of the unaware, unbelieving or uneducated of the world into accepting an agenda. A great example is “evolution”. Any intelligent mind already know that the evolution taught in schools is impossible and rediculous. It does allow though, for people to excuse themselve from sin. Who you are determines what you see (and believe), and that determines what you do. The Lord (you know, Jesus, when He was among us) has forwarned us about this time.
The entire discussion can easiy be summed up this way; The great deceiver (Satan) is active on this earth, doing what he does (lying and deceiving). People will not humble themselves and therefore will not believe in what the Scriptures teach. Call it what you like. None of the worlds problems can be solved by humans. “Seek the Lord while He may be found…”.
The only thing more annoying than Al Gore are the people who leave LOOOONG comments!
Springtime For Al-gore
The climate was having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Earth needed a new leader
To restore its former glory
Where, oh where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around
And then we found
The man for you and me
And now it’s
Springtime for Al-gore and IPCC
Greenland is happy and gay
We’re marching to a faster pace
Look out
Here comes the carbon race
Springtime for Al-gore and IPCC
Winter for western finance
Springtime for Al-gore and IPCC
Come on, Alarmists
Go into your dance
I was born in Koy-o-to
I‘m green with cash from head to toe
Don’t be stupid, be a smarty
Come and join the greenness party
Springtime for Al-gore and IPCC
Footprint’s the new step today
Fire falling from the skies again
Al’s wealth is on the rise again
Springtime for Al-gore and IPCC
Sea Shepherds are sailing once more
Springtime for Al-gore and IPCC
Means that soon we’ll be going
We’ve got to be going
You know we’ll all be going into a CO2 war
Climate change from increased human activity is a nutsy idea to begin with, since earth is virtually 100% dependent on the sun for warmth. Now we know it’s all a hoax and that it’s owned and operated by USA Dems echoing demands of EU liberals that USA uses too much energy, so it USA must be taxed & punished. Because it’s bogus, the whole GW house of cards will eventually blow up in their faces, but none of it will be recognized and reversed under Obama, Crown Prince of Acorn. Al Gore will not be punished. Obama is so in line with punishing American success, he will barge ahead with new taxes and penalties on energy, delays in developing needed new domestic sources of oil and making hundreds of business strangling, money-sucking environmental regulations. Barriers and delays in US drilling, in this critical period, enables the Arab oil cartel to keep world energy costs punitive for much longer than if USA aggressively focuses on discovery and development of new oil reserves in USA and economical (non-food) new energy sources.
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“…if the world’s politicos who are there to care for us “the stupid masses”lol then surely with these ridiculous stats that fly around regarding how bad smoking is for us the evil smokers surely these “honourable politicos” would immediately close down the whole tobacco industry.” (#368)
Bad logic.
In America, government at all levels absolutely loves the tax revenue smoking brings in. Government that cares about and loves us so (cough) isn’t about to abandon those huge sources of revenue.
A pack of ciggies that was around 25¢ in the olden daze now costs, with ever burgeoning taxes added on over the years, around $10.00 in NYC.
As we speak, Obama and his cash strapped cronies are imagining all kinds of other “sin taxes” that might help pay for their egregious spending, and, not so incidentally, shut down the consumer’s freedom of choice.
Dare I say that cap and trade which Barack Obama has acknowledged would cause our individual home energy costs to “skyrocket” is much more in the vein of a government power grab and revenue raising than anything to do with the environment ?
Finally, trust me, smoking cigarettes is deadly.
The great deceiver (Satan) is active on this earth, doing what he does (lying and deceiving).
So Al Gore is Satan’s spawn ? He does have that look about him
I think the great deceiver is ignorance, stupidity, blind adherence to ideology.
I also think “creationism” and the palpable, demonstrable, irrefutable evolutionary record can exist hand in hand. Even the Catholic church has integrated the teaching of evolution into its private school curriculum.
The church really doesn’t want to repeat all that Galileo foolishness & egregious error of over 400 years ago.
It is a great shame that the public has such a short memory. In a few more decades global warming will be an ongoing part of our lives. An established fact. But will people remember then who the deniers were back in 2010? I doubt it. Will today’s conservatives be willing to own up to the fact that 40 years ago, back in 2010, they were disasterously wrong? I doubt it. By 2050, everyone here will have conveniently “forgotten” what idiots they were back in 2010 while pointing the finger at someone else for the consequences of climate change.
oh yeah senator boxer will let senator inhofe investigate al gore.
DOJ will look into the fraud from the IPCC
>Ok who are these Billions who will suffer.
The billions who depend on handouts, protection and physical salvation from the United States, which will have less to share with the less fortunate when we become, well, less fortunate.
>Are you talking about the people who live on coast or near the deserts who are anticipated to suffer the worst from global warming?
That’s bad science fiction based on Marxist propaganda. Not science.
> I am sorry were the Manhattan and Space programs created by prosperity or a massive push by the government.
Technology advances when societies prosper, because you need somebody with capital to invest in research and development. The government is much more efficient at getting in the way than in prompting innovation.
> What crack are you smoking?
Ask Barry for the name of his dealer. He left that out of his book.
> Look at history much? Humans create best when pushed to the edge.
Humans die when oppressed. Innovators and entrepreneurs leave when fascists stymie their freedom to create.
> Having the most advanced solar panels, wind turbines, and nuclear generators will keep this great Country on top of the worlds economy.
That’s idiotic. And why are you libs against storing nuclear waste when you are suddenly so hot for its propagation?
> Where were all you paranoid freaks during the bush years, when he was systematically taking away our liberties?
Ask Eric Holder. I’m sorry Bush looked to see what library books somebody might have taken out. But now we are going to have the Government tracking your web usage. A foreign government that is, now that we’re giving away the Internet to a bunch of America-despising despots.
Orange jump suits for the lot of them. While we are at it, throw Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Dodd, and the rest in with them.
Does anyone know the connection between our administration and the Chicago Cap & Trade scheme? Obama, Gore, the Railway Engineer and Industrial Economist, known as the foremost environmental scientist and leader of the IPCC, all created this scheme of a company. Yes, your president put investment money into a corrupt company and now is attempting to make it law to pay this company for imaginary work.
If you claim you would have built a power sucking building complex but did not because it would create 1 million tons of CO2 you can sell that CO2, which does not exist because you didn’t build,through the sham company Obama and Gore created. FOR A FEE they will find a buyer, who was CHARGED A FEE to find you, for the CO2 that does not exist. Then FOR ANOTHER FEE, sell it to that company, who is CHARGED ANOTHER FEE.
It has always been about money and crooks!
Everyone would be well served going back and reading Michael Crichton’s speech “Aliens cause Global Warming”. It is rather prescient for January 2003: http://www.michaelcrichton.net/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html
Furthermore, while hintin at his suggetions for climate science (and science) moving forward, read the appendices to his book “State Of Fear”.. anyone interested in tackling the problems present in climate science have a perfect framework spelled out for them there.
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Thank God the GAG is off everyone and THE PEOPLE CAN SPEAK OUT.
Thank God we have blogs, tweets, etc. whereby THE PEOPLE can speak their minds about the CZARS who are running this country to the ground. Thank God we can still speak out and NOW is the time for every American to SPEAK THEIR MIND TO THE GOVERNMENT and let the leaders know if they are not on OUR side, then they are on NO ONE’s side , therefore, don’t look forward to re-election. Horray for THE PEOPLE WHO smell all the scams, and who know where to put them…..down the hole.
#78 (Texas FireFighter) AMEN BROTHER (or SISTER)!! No one here has said it better!
Another major blizzard hitting the Northeast where I live. Just a few years ago the Democrats were touting the lack of snowfall then as proof of Global Warming – now the snow is weather not climate.
This is a manufactured crisis. The next administration has to investigate, fire all the bureaucrats involved, cut off all international and UN funding for this madness.
THE BBC admitted they have over 8 billion pounds in their pension program tied up in carbon trading. I bet most of the US media is also involved, which explains why they are so silent about what is happening.
We go from Ice Age to warm and back to Ice. When the Ice returns our civilization may not survive – we just will not be able to produce the food. By wasting billions on Global Warming nonsense, and twisting the science to create projects that conform to their view, many officials deserve to spend a lot of time in jail.
. I believe The congress will in fact try to pass some sort of climate legislation before they get FIRED in November! The Bible has something to say about these frightening times we live in and it says that the world will accept and believe a lie. Yes, this lie will be a BIG lie and congress and the President are setting you up for it today as they try to pass this fraudulent legislation! Do not Be deceived by them, let us tell them the truth, we need to let them see what being out of work really means this November. DO NOT REHIRE THEM they are not working for you, they are working to destroy you and steal your income , they want to own every business here in the states and dictate the terms of employment to you! LET US FIRE THEM in NOVEMBER if they vote for climate change INCLUDING ANY REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THAT VOTES FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. Let us pull them out of congress by their ear and place our boots to their back side, then let’s deny them a job as they have denied many americans a good job by their fraudulent laws. Let us send them to the street of accountability and let us take back this government for the people.
TIRED OF BEING LIED TO AND ABOUT
If you paid attention in your high school science class, you would know that the claim of melting ice flows raising water levels is absolute nonsense! If you will take a half full glass of water and drop an ice cube into it, and then mark the level of the water on the outside of the glass, the water level will remain exactly the same after the ice cube is melted. It’s a scientific fact known as the “Archimedes Principle” and was first proven in 284 B.C. by Archimedes. That was way before Al Gore invented the internet! Here’s the plan: Dumb down every student in our public schools and then push this junk science to them and place a tax on the solution to solve a problem that never existed. Welcome to the new Amerika!
Wy isn’t this a criminal enterprise which should be prosecuted under RICO? It is a huge fraud designed to extract federal funds they knew they wouldn’t get without the fraudulent conduct. These “scientists” are a disgrace to their profession and should be prosecuted.
If the Senate won’t truley investigate the fraud going on, can ‘We the people’ institute a class action lawsuit to bring the fraudsters to pay retribution? Many companies have been sued over false advertising, and paid the price. Have the courts force Al Gore to remake his documentary with the truth, or at least without the lies? Perhaps then we could use the same courts to ban the IPCC from ever publishing a report for view in the USA. There has to be a way for the average American to fight these people, because we cannot depend on our government to do it for us.
If climate change is a lie, why not prove it? If the big companies really believed it wasn’t happening, that is what they would do right? If they truly thought that science would show global warming wasn’t real, if it was as easy and obvious as most here assume, they could just put a tiny portion of their profits from last year into a research team to go over this climategate data. Instead they spend money on public relations firms and spin doctors to fight in the media. Doesn’t their choice to spend money on fighting the perception of global warming as being true rather than funding research to prove it is not true an admission of sorts?
Seriously, explain that part to me. Why all this talk about climategate and yet only the same two or three emails get thrown around? Where is all this supposedly fake data, where are the analyses of that fake data showing what is faked and who faked it? This is cheap and easy, its been months… how long does it take? Why do the people who have actually read all of the climategate emails say that most of this hubbub is bull?
These are all valid questions, ones that I hope someone here will take the time to consider. Maybe, just maybe, you are being decieved by massive corporations spending big money on spinning this issue.
JTK, the problem with your whole rant is that it’s false to the facts, front to back. The people who have been pursuing this, from Steve McIntyre to me, haven’t been funded particularly by Big Oil; as I pointed out above in comment #376, we do know that Big Oil funds climate change research on the other side, ie, for the CRU. It’s also being funded by the people, like Gore’s GIM, who stand to make literal billions of dollars from carbon trading. As I said, if you’re tainted by the source of funding, then the CRU is as tainted as anyone.
Secondly, you have a very limited understanding of the way science works, or is supposed to work. You come up with a hypothesis, you develop a supporting argument based on evidence, and you then present your evidence — including your data and methods — to the world.
What really happened with the global climate world is that the data wasn’t made available, and great effort was taken to keep the whole “warming, caused by humans, and CO2 is the primary agent” from being challenged. Some of that effort was apparently illegal (the UK authorities have already said it appears Jones violated their laws) and some of that effort was apparently research misconduct. In any case, because of these things, we now know that science didn’t get its chance to work; the conclusions based on that are now suspect.
In any case, in the proper course of things, the rest of the world looks at your hypothesis and evidence, and attempts to disprove it, or come up with a hypothesis that fits the data better. In the case of warming, there’s little or no controversy over the idea that there has been warming since 1600. There is more controversy over the idea that there has been unusual warming since 1600; as of two weeks ago, Phil Jones had agreed that it was unclear if there really was unusual warming — he agreed that the Medieval Warm Period may have been as warm or warmer. He also — and people haven’t been paying attention to this — agreed that it was unclear that the rate of warming had been different from previous warming cycles.
This is, however, a key point: if there is no unusual warming, and the rate of warming isn’t unusual, then we can’t tell there has been any anthropogenic warming whatsoever. What Jones has done is argued that there is no evidence for the AGW hypothesis.
Of course, another thing Jones said is that he didn’t think the since was settled anyway.
The point is that it’s not necessary to disprove the AGW hypothesis; as it stands right now, it’s unclear that there is any strong evidence for the AGW hypothesis.
If its false on facts then someone should be able to cite which facts are wrong and provide proof of how wrong and who made these false claims. To just claim they are false is not enough. If this data is false, it should be easy enough to prove. Prove, not claim.
My understanding of science by the way is quite solid. A degree in physics tends to do that.
Like I said, if this is proven to be a set of lies the way people are claiming, then where is this proof? Where, cite your sources and provide the evidence. “Being challenged” does not mean disproven. Is that stepping back from ‘global warming is not cause by humans’ to ‘maybe it is, but it is being challenged’ or what? If there was misconduct in the research then that needs to be backed up with evidence of wrongdoing. Not an email that is open to interpretation, but perhaps a data set that is altered and does not match the original CRU does not collect its own data.. they interpret the data that others gather. If data was altered, it will conflict with the data stored by those who originally collected it. Why aren’t those people complaining if their data was altered? The data from all over the world are absolutely NOT being hidden. These are many research centers from many many nations with many different political ideals and sources of funding.
I am also familiar with what Phil Jones said, and noticed that his words are being heavily interpreted and misrepresented by many who selectively quote him. Not unusual, but not a good sign either.
To claim that there is no strong evidence for AGW because one single scientist sent an annoyed email isn’t enough. That is not a scientific approach. There is a great deal of data collected over many many years and many nations. Like I asked, where is the proof of deception? The proof data was altered? Is there any, and after months of many people like you being able to go over all of those emails and a great deal of data, why isn’t there a stream of essays coming out on exactly where and how CRU decieved people? A young scientist could make a career out of something like this, that is how science works. Why isn’t that happening? If your side has such a strong case, why aren’t countless maverick young scientists coming out about it?
You need much more to be convincing. Much much more. The lack of significant and easily displayed fraud by CRU after several months of wealthy companies and individuals who are so determined to make AGW look bad.. that should make you ask some questions, if you are truly a skeptic and not an ideologue. The approach I see from most on the denial side of the global warming questions seems to be not true skepticism but crankery and denial. A true skeptic would ask for a rigorous analysis of this supposedly altered data. It would be very convincing if they could show that, and their inability to do so after months is something a true skeptic would be quite interested in. Does it interest you?
388. I’m a nuclear engineer and I’m against Yucca Mountain. Why? Because burying so much fissile and fissionable material is asinine. We could run our reactor fleet for years off of the existing waste, storing radioactive fission products on site. Burying spent fuel in Yucca Mountain would be a waste of perfectly good fuel, and I can’t think of a good idea to do it. Like the greens always say, “Reduce, reuse, recycle.” We ought to be reusing and recycling our nuclear fuel, seeing as it’s plenty fit for the job, even if it may need reclading and a good cleaning.
Interesting that you delete rebuttals. That indicates that you were unable to deal with simple honest questions. You are no skeptic, your actions are not those of a truly skeptical person. Your actions are those of an ideologue. When confronted with problems with your position, you delete them rather than deal with them. Can’t you try harder? After months of these emails being used as a talking point, nothing more than the same tired old emails are being discussed. Wouldn’t you require more honesty and skepticism from your opponents? Would attacking the credibility of one global warming denier destroy the credibility of all global warming deniers the way you want this attack on the credibility of one scientist to destroy the credibility of all environmental scientists?
At this point, you have shown yourself and this forum to be unreliable. If questions as clear and obvious as those I ask are impossible for you, then you have lost.
JTK: You claim a strong science background and then ask us to prove a negative? If you ever had a strong science background it would seem you’ve forgotten it.
> My understanding of science by the way is quite solid. A degree in physics tends to do that.
Silly boy, you’re confusing a degree in physics with a degree in phys ed.
Prove that you’re not a Martian. Ha, ha, you can’t. But I have put forth my theory that you are in fact a Martian.
You can’t disprove it? I can conspire to hide my shoddy evidence and algorithms, and blacklist anybody who disagrees with my thesis? The burden of proof is NOT on the person making the extraordinary claim?
Then, the science is settled.™
JTK: Interesting that you delete rebuttals.
Perhaps you’d care to retract, since your rebuttal, such as it is, is right there? PJM isn’t RealClimate; comments are very rarely modded off. As it says in the comment policy above, you can always send mail to story@pajamasmedia.com if you think something hasn’t appeared yet.
As to the rest, your argument would appear to be that skeptics should disprove the CO2-driven model, but that simply isn’t the way science works. First of all, logically, there’s the whole use of the word “proof”, a bit of a bugaboo to me as a logician: people hear the word and think of deductive proof. Deductive proof can tell you that 2+2=4 or that c should be the speed of light in a vacuum, but it can’t tell you the mass of an electron or the actual value of the speed of light. All science can do is support, or fail to support, a particular model or hypothesis (the same thing, really.)
Climategate and the succeeding events can’t “disprove” the CO-2-dominant AGW hypothesis because asking for that is a category error in itself.
Observing that the data’s provenance is questionable, that there is some strong appearance of selection bias in data selection, that the processes applied to the data have so far not been replicated successfully, that responsible agencies now see the data as compromised, and that the condition necessary to conclude there is any untoward warming at all — that is, that it’s either gotten hotter than expected, or that it has gotten hot faster than expected, based on history — are now seen as questionable, not by skeptics, but by one of the primary proponents of the hypothesis, and from that concluding that the support for the hypothesis is dramatically weakened, is science.
Thanks to the revelations of ClimateGate the rest of the climate science community can now speak without overt and covert government, media and academic censorship. We now know without doubt Climate Change “science” is a complete fraud. It is as we suspected. Clearly we cannot trust Obama and the Democratic Party to tell the true. There is no integrity there. None. What do you think the chances are their pronouncements concerning National Health Care legislation are anywhere near the truth?
Wow… really… Its as if the central issue here is misrepresentation of data to support a political agenda. I’m not surprised. But I am afraid for our future.
I believe there is a finite energy supply and that our cities can only function with a cheap, portable source of energy (ie hydrocarbons). I am not stating scientific fact, but I have been working in oil and gas exploration since about 1987.
I actually wish that I agreed with the major sentiments expressed here. It would make me feel more safe to believe that we do not have a looming energy crisis for which we have no immediate practical solution. And that we are not acidifying the oceans. And that unusually high (perhaps mass?) extinctions of species are not occurring.
But I do believe all of the above. And also I believe that our political system and corporate systems will fail us because of grid lock, because it is in no politician or corporate executive to admit to any of the above, and because real (even somewhat) gradual solutions to these problems will require long lead times and sacrifice at a global scale.
Charlie Martin
Thanks for fact filled and fascinating stuff. Sadly, you are civilized in the face of nonsense like JTK and can’t heed my admonition: never try to teach a pig to sing it will try your patience and annoy the pig. Can’t read
” smoking gun at Darwin ” to understand what manipulated data means? The proof lies in proving a negative and damn those evil corporations who if they wanted to could fund the proof? They haven’t found the facts behind the phrase “bolivia effect?”
If nobody goes to jail then our President has some explaining to do and there is no way to explain that no matter how “eloquent” your speech is deemed to be. Somebody has to go to jail. Other “scientists” need to know that using grant money for fraudulent intent will land your sorry ass in jail.
Al Gore should be thanked for warning the people on this planet of a threat that the vast majority of scientists from all corners of the globe believe: burning fossil fuels puts a heat trapping gas into the air which then warms the atmosphere. Simple stuff really. The fact that we have had thousands of peer-reviewed studies done by scientists of ALL political beliefs and 4 successive IPCC conferences with a progressively higher confidence level in their data all confirming what Al Gore so succinctly told us in his award winning movie should convince most morons of his message. But sadly no.
But hey, March 2010 was the warmest March in the history of record keeping — that should cheer you up.
Global Warming is the only profitable cottage industry that the United States of America has left. Everything else has been sold out to the Chinese by business owners and politicians.
if you think that Al Gore, Obama, the dumb ass liberal left or any of the other involved phonies will concede so much as an inch.
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