Climategate: A Defiance of Arrogant Political Power
The people are speaking. We are seeing a defiance of bureaucrats, officials, government propaganda, and funded climate catastrophe researchers. A scary scientific paradigm of human-induced climate change is collapsing because the cake has been over iced. The average voter has had enough of being talked down to by arrogant scientists with vested interests who present scenarios that defy that rare commodity called common sense.
It was only a short time ago that climate rationalists were told they were factually wrong, that their skepticism was evil, their views were akin to Holocaust denial, and that they should be tried for crimes against humanity. However, Climategate emails show that the coterie of two dozen leading climate comrades shared this skepticism in private — yet denounced skeptics in public. Various cap-and-trade systems have been shown to be an extra tax, which may end up being distributed by the sticky fingers of the UN.
Even more disturbingly, Climategate emails show two decades of systematic willful fraud. Since then, there has been the farce of Copenhagen, which the UK Taxpayers’ Alliance found cost the GDP of Malawi. (If such funds were used to provide electricity and potable water to Malawians, then this would have been a demonstration of true environmentalism.)
The allotted 10-minute speaking time for President Hugo Chavez became a one-hour rant against capitalism. He received a standing ovation. This is what Copenhagen was about.
Investigative journalism when the BBC pension fund is heavily invested in AGW investments – where GE/NBC/MSNBC stands to gain hugely in green AGW projects – where NYT, LAT and others are politically invested in AGW? Not to mention to corporate links to the head of IPCC, lucrative grants to scientists and universities etc.
The corruption may not reach Oil for Food levels, but I believe it to be a solid second place finisher – and it isn’t over yet.
I find it fascinating that even believers in AGW like the Guardian reported fairly on climategate et al – and the silence from USA media was absolute.
Interesting that India could reject its own citizen, Pachauri, and the UN, establishing its own body. Obviously they know him better than most of the rest of the world.
Pity the 1800 workers in a closing steel mill in the UK so that the company owner could transfer the capacity to a plant in India, with exactly the same emission levels and gain hundreds of millions from carbon credits in so doing.
Travesty thy name is AGW
It is disturbing to think that, in todays world of advanced science and technology and incredible resources of knowledge and data, there are still power-seekers like the shamans and seers and high priests of antiquity, who will invent “truths” to advance their own faiths…..and that there are those who will either promote what they know to be false or actually buy into it.
It is alarming to realize that there is a complicit press and broadcast multitude of complicit believers, pretending objectivity and rationality, who will actively foster such misinformation, without a grain of skepticism, in the cause of that faith, and strenuously ridicule and attack any voice of protest or common sense.
But what is truly scary is that “scientific publications”, the professional journals serving the several disciplines, would bring down the standards upon which their reputations – and their worth -have been built, by betraying the basic principles of honest research and peer review in the in the interest of a political cause.
/This is overt Lysenkoiism – proof positive of socialist infiltration of academia and the print media, by the Stalinist brand of Marxism that the Democrat Party has embraced.
Why have the vast mass of true scientists not raised their voices in outrage?
How remarkable and discouraging that this “highly educated” population has not really advanced intellectually beyond King Knut’s sycophants, and continues to believe that the human race – mere worker ants in a universe of forces far beyond our reckoning – truly believes that we have the ability to change the tides, divert hurricanes or ocean currents, or affect the climate – or even the weather. And continue to fall under the spell of readers of chicken entrails.
Highly recommend Ian’s book; it’s not an easy read but it certainly makes clear what a fraud climate warming is and that the ultimate goal was simply global socialism. This we can very clearly see with governments continuing the charade wanting to pass carbon curbing legislation to solve an inexistent problem as an excuse for diminishing Western democracies standard of living so all nations can be equal i.e., equally poor and miserable.
By the way, anybody seen Al Gore lately? Has he already cashed in his chips and hit the exits, or what?
A concisely stated synopsis of his personal views based on recent events without all of the hyperbole that seems to generally accompany anything to do with this topic. The only thing that is “settled” in my opinion is that we don’t know if mankind is having an effect or not. I do feel we need to learn more and that further study is needed, preferably as unbiased as possible. In the meantime, we should continue to vigorously pursue alternative energies, providing governmental and private research grants to companies and universities that are in fact already on the path to successful ventures in this realm, as well as continue to raise public awareness of what citizens can do on an everyday basis to not only help conserve our resources but to make smarter choices, thereby making a positive impact on the world.
all these jeremiahs are frauds…there is no “threat to the environment”…we can burn all the oil and trees we want and the oceans were made for us by God to use as our infinite waste dump…if species can’t survive, that’s what evolution is all about…the race is to the swift and we want to use all the resources as fast as we can…
Thursday’s front page NY Times article claims that these recent blizzards are consistent with – in fact predicted by – Global Warming. The article cites a government Climate Change Impact report as having predicted an increase in snowstorms in the Northeast.
This is not what the report says. The report predicts:
1. More *lake effect* snow in the Northeast.
2. More winter precipitation but less snow and more rain.
3. These storms will occur further north than in the past.
These predictions in no way describe this winter’s extreme weather, yet the NY Times cites this report in claiming this weather was always expected by GW scientists.
There is a bigger picture than simply the Times claiming a report says “A” when in fact it clearly states “Not A”. The Times has established a mantra that is now being repeated in the liberal media: it is unscientific to claim that this winter’s snowstorms are evidence against Global Warming.
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Here are the details. First, the relevant quotes of the NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/11/science/earth/11climate.html
“Jeff Masters, a meteorologist who writes on the Weather Underground blog [snip] said that government and academic studies had consistently predicted an increasing frequency of just these kinds of record-setting storms, because warmer air carries more moisture.
[snip]
“A federal government report issued last year, intended to be the authoritative statement of known climate trends in the United States, pointed to the likelihood of more frequent snowstorms in the Northeast and less frequent snow in the South and Southeast as a result of long-term temperature and precipitation patterns.
[snip]
“In other words, if the government scientists are correct, look for more snow.”
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Here is the Climate Change Impact report the article is referring to:
http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts/full-report/national-climate-change
The clear theme of the report is that there will be less snow across the US, with one temporary exception. Under the Snowstorms section on the above link, it reads:
“Climate models suggest that lake-effect snowfalls are likely to increase over the next few decades In the longer term, lake-effect snows are likely to decrease as temperatures continue to rise, with the precipitation then falling as rain.”
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In the Northeast Impact section of the report, it reads:
“Warming has resulted in many other climate-related changes including… less winter precipitation falling as snow and more as rain, reduced snowpack, earlier break-up of winter ice on lakes and rivers, earlier spring snowmelt resulting in earlier peak river flows… These trends are projected to continue…”
And also:
“The projected reduction in snow cover will adversely affect winter recreation and the industries that rely upon it. The length of the winter snow season would be cut in half across northern New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, and reduced to just a week or two in southern parts of the region by late this century under a higher emissions scenario. Winter snow and ice sports, which contribute $7.6 billion annually to the region’s economy, will be particularly affected by warming.”
The Northeast Impact section is here:
http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts/regional-climate-change-impacts/northeast
First there was the coming Ice Age of the 70′s. Then there was the Ozone Hole scare of the 80′s. Next was the Global Warming Scare of the 90′s. What will the next doomsday scenario be? There is something in the human condition that welcomes these doomsday predictions. 2012 ring a bell and I do not mean the movie. I do not know what will be next but prepare to be either entertained with the next prediction which according to my calculation should appear right befor the next Presidential election cycle.
Once again the importance of a free press in pursuit of the truth has become glaringly obvious. The threat we all face from “advocacy journalism” is far greater than any we face from global warming.
Everyone here should watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7y6xJbcW4A
Then this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPdhUdF6SJ4
The “annointed-elite” have told one too many lies! Truth comes out eventually. Good piece of work by Ian Plimer.
Al Gore has made a fortune investing in all these green companies he has been out marketing while speaking of this fraud (Global Warming / Climate Change) under the ruse of “saving the world”….will he refund all dividends, speaking fees and book revenue if proven wrong? No, he will continue to laugh in our faces on the way to the bank.
The so called climate scientists and the journalists who aided them owe the world population a formal apology. They were all so willing to sign documents professing their false claims against humanity, well now they should put their name on a formal apology and print it in every known news paper in the free world.
Then we can discuss closure.
sadly I don’t think the “climate change” crowd will just disappear.
On the main stream news and even the liberal guests on Fox news are still talking like this climate is still heating up and they are still quoting the lies that have been discredited.
like religious zealots they will not see truth.
Now that this massive fraud has been uncovered, the next great fraud will soon be exposed as well. That fraud is the blank slate that is Barack Obama:
1) His actual birth certificate and the dirt he’s hiding will eventually come to light. I was born in Hawaii in 1961, and might even have played high school basketball against him…I know what’s on my long form birth certificate and there’s no reason not to show it unless you have something to hide.
2) More details of his mysterious trip to Pakistan will be uncovered.
3) His hidden university records and writings will surface.
4) More details of his past relationships with communists and Islamists will surface.
“I’m not an ideologue. I’m not!”
Mr. Obama…..you lie! Your whole life is a fraud.
~ The Infidel Alliance
Bravo Ian Plimer for being one of the “skeptics.” A good scientist should alway be skeptical because even the most of settled of science can become unsettled. And, of course, bravo to PJM for its continuing dedication to truth.
Joe Romm on climate progress (funded by convicted felon George soros) said Jan 2009 that drought was permanent in the southwest. No floods in L.A., blizzards in Houston and Dallas nor heavy snow in Arizona. This is an alert to irration beliefs and defective models. Did the models predict climate would change? Sorta. But they predicted in the totally wrong direction.
Excellent journalism work! A masterpiece! Truth in the MSM is so hard to find, and for that matter, so is common sense. The art of investigative journalism seems to have been lost with the last generation, but there is still hope, that some younger journalists will rise to the top with time.
The real crime of these corrupt liars is that they’ve politicized hard science. The hard sciences were one are where we could have confidence that opinions were based on peer reviewed scientific data. Not any more. Now, before accepting ANY scientists theories we’ll have to ask: (1) what party does he belong to, (2) who is funding him, (3) what does he have to gain personally if his theories are accepted, and (4) do his theories support a larger political narrative (i.e. world socialism, etc.). Climategate just shows that the Left will stop at nothing to further their agenda. Now that AGW is collapsing, stand by for the next “great” fear-mongering campaign from the Left. Maybe they’ll try to convince us that REpublicans are really shape shifting lizards from the Xenon galaxy.
Look forward to reading your book.
This is the first time I have found your blog, what is good to see is we are saying the same things and in the same way. Too many bloggers pussy foot about when what we have here is an intergenerantional conspiracy for wealth redistribution and one world socialist government.
Not only did Chavez bring the house down with his silent and terrible ghost, which turned out to be Climategate not Capitalism; but what gave the game away was when Ethopia suggested the answer to AGW as global socialism and Brown and Sarkozy leapt to their feet to support the idea.
Anything Gordon Brown and the EU get involved in always involves snake oil and smoke and mirrors
Beautiful. Simply beautiful. Well stated indeed, Mr. Pilmer. Those of us out here who have, for years, insisted that the entire man-made global warming scare was complete bull***t … and who have, for years, been derided by “enlightened” liberals as “deniers”, “flat-earthers”, “neo-cons” and “stooges of Big Oil” … are watching this train wreck with glee and savoring every delicious morsel of it.
Vindication is indeed sweet.
Climategate: A Defiance of Arrogant Political Power
Many thanks for sounding the alarm.
How many similar, smaller scams are out there ?
I expect one could write a book on them, both the
positive ones, like AGW, and the negative ones like the
campaigns against nuclear power and space exploitation.
…”If investigative journalists had not been advocates…” – of course investigative journalism, particularly in environmental reporting, is a contradiction in terms.
Well done Ian, at last an ounce of common sense has been expressed. This modern day eco-priesthood are the ones who are no doubt already scheming amongst themselves to see how they can punish the public for daring to depart from the Global Warming hysteria. Of course the sky is not falling down after all yet. More and more voices are now making themselves heard criticising the global warming fiasco, good luck to them I say, I’m right behind you!
For a while there it looked like GW was going to replace Bush as the primary reason for all of the world’s woes. I guess it will have to be just Bush agian until another fraud may be worked out to facilitate greater state control of everything. Looks like the people noticed whose ox was being Gored…
Global Warming is a fantastic science. No matter what the climate does or doesn’t do, it’s due to Global Warming! So, how do I get a job like that?
What a farce, but at leas we get to waist trillions of dollars!!
Follow the money! Interesting, all the Global Warming leaders are getting rich with your/our money. Man, I wish I had thought of “carbon Credits”, I would be worth over 100 million like Al Gore!!
Anyone who ever saw the cartoon movie “Ice Age” knows that ice ages and their reverse, warming periods, come and go. The con men of the Climate Change crisis were relying on the stupidity of the public as well as appealing to western cultures fundamental guilt that man was born in sin and evil.
Those political-scientists are no different that the ancient’s shaman who demanded human sacrifices to prevent volcanos or eclipses.
If they can not rely on guilt to motivate the masses, they might rely on “compassion” to get their fraudulent cases off of the due punishment. From Mark Twain’s “Huckleberry Finn”, the King and the Duke for their fraud were tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. No such justice awaits the carbon offset credit swindlers. Inconvient Algore and his greenie followers will continue to drink the kool-aide.
Climategate needs to stay at the forefront until the corrupt media is forced to start reporting it in its entirety. Where’s FNC? They’re the only TV news media that can advance this story until the LSM is shamed into reporting it.
Great piece. Keep up the pressure, the war isn’t over yet.
Mr. Plimer’s excellent analysis is just further proof, if any was needed, that global warming and AGW are scientific studies but a political project. The purpose of all political projects is to accumulate power for their proponents. The enviromentalist goal is quite simply “the control of everything.” Inconvenient facts or arguments simply get in the way and must be circumvented. Add in the not-so-subtle religiosity that now pervades green politics and you wind up with what we have – A group of deeply entrenched interests pointing their finger and screaming “HERETIC” at anyone who challenges their agenda.
This environmental movement is extremely dangerous. It has the potential to destroy our nation. False science(which means the study for truth) has occurred many times in history, with disastrous consequences. The Nazis had settled science on the issue of inferior and superior human beings. The Salem Witch trails put women to the test of truth, as ordered by the leaders of the community. Issac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Volta, and others struggled with the invisible forces of electricity, magnetism, and Divine power through empty space, the ether. Science has never been apart from war, and societal domination. “Good guys” have always slaughtered, “those dirty guys” in the name of certain pure knowledge. And fudged a little to make their case.
J March “…In the meantime, we should continue to vigorously pursue alternative energies, providing governmental and private research grants to companies and universities that are in fact already on the path to successful ventures in this realm, as well as continue to raise public awareness of what citizens can do on an everyday basis to not only help conserve our resources but to make smarter choices, thereby making a positive impact on the world.”
But awareness of what? AGW? I thought we just discovered it has been a hoax. I say kick the dog off our collective leg and stop enshrining the doing of things without sound reason.
Fine, but why don’t folks now examine Obama’s background with the same focus. Obama’s background has been settled science for years. We have accepted the self-serving words of his owners/handlers and taken them as gospel. Let’s examine his background, as well.
Nice try #6, Obadiah, but we know that you warmists have no sense of humor and, in case you’re really too dense to notice, none of those who have been skeptical about AGW, actually agree with your asinine statements.
Obadiah #6-
Mixing God and evolution in your badly off-the-subject parody just goes to prove your lack of critical thinking skills, your brainwashed-bias, and probably your common sense as well.
That’s ALWAYS been the thinking and “attack mode” of those who promote AGW as FACT and a settled-science:
If you are a skeptic or an unbeliever…you are also for raping and pillaging the Earth, devouring its resources, and generally leaving it a burnt-out chunk of space-rock.
Nothing could be further from the truth…and either could AGW!
Common sense and truth:
ARE YOU KIDDING ? Marx and Lenin never mentioned those things, they must be capitalistic inventions to exploit the “masses”…
I am a Ph.D. chemist and have always said (and said loud for the last 10 years) that due the extreme difficulty in modeling the atmosphere (including all atmospheric chenistry, fluid mechanics/dynamics, solar contributions to heating and weather, etc) that anyone who said with absolute certainty they could predict tmeperature in the past or the future was being disingenuous at the very least. And now it comes out that the weather stations used to collect world weather temperature data are not controlled in that the environment around the stations is subjected to variations. That alone requires that that data be discarded. It has also been reported that some weather stations in colder climates (e.g., Siberia) were closed in the 90′s.
To sum up, 1) an extrmemly complex and incomplete model of the atmosphere coupled with 2) uncontrolled data from a varying number of world sites lead to an easy conclusion that man made global warming is not settled science.
The correct answer when it comes to global warming no matter your beliefs is that more needs to be studied and studied in an open and truely peer reviewed way.
All very, very alarming, stuart williamson, #2
My trust level in anything coming out of the public domain has reached a new low.
that “scientific publications”, the professional journals serving the several disciplines, would bring down the standards upon which their reputations – and their worth -have been built
“respected” British journal, The Lancet, under the political agenda of it’s rabid editor in chief, Dr. Richard Horton, case in point…presenting as “scientific study” vastly inflated # of civilians killed in Iraq, more recently, a claim (phony baloney “scientific” study) that a rise in spousal abuse in Gaza/Palestine is Israel’s fault…more likely, the fact that a lot Hamas/Hezbollah guys are abusive jerks who won’t give up their agenda until Israel has been erased
Small rant there
anyway, the whole notion of “peer review” among scientists and its sacrosanct allure in the scientific domain has taken a big hit.
It is good that people are finally hearing about the lies of the environmentalists.
They are like the Pharisees, who loved their rules and regulations, and that used their educations to bully and punish those that didn’t adhere to their dogma.
The problem with the possibility of all of this crashing down is that those who are emotionally dependent on this religion will crash with it and my guess is that they will break out in fury and violence. I hope I am completely wrong but all who are speaking the truth are at risk. Please, watch your backs, they have too much invested in their systems and organizations and plans.
With that much self-righteousness they are very dangerous to all who don’t agree with them.
When do the police start arresting the ‘Warmers’ on charges of fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud, and mis-appropriation of tax funds?
When do the governments that bought into the lie return all the taxes they collected in the Cap and Trade [read Tax] schemes?
When do the lawsuits start?
I have been bugged by the fact Oxygen in room air remains at 21% despite rising CO2. Any 5th grad science book teaches the O2/CO2 balance between plants and animals. Plants make O2 and animals make CO2. So if we are making more and more CO2 how is O2 remaining at 21%? Simple. The oceans act as a CO2 ’soak’ and the CO2 is converted into small plants which produce more dissolved oxygen and feed more small fish which feed more big fish…by releasing CO2 into the environment we actually are restocking the oceans. So what actually controls the climate?
Our planet is basically an open test tube suspended over a variable heat Bunsen burner (the Sun). We can alter the environment but the Sun controls the climate. For us to control the climate we would first have to be able to control the output of the Sun. CO2 just makes more fish. This proven by THE FACT room air remains 21% Oxygen.
If the great inquisition you all request ever did take place, there would be nobody left to run the government, report the news, teach school, or sell you a toaster. This scam has grown so out of control, and poisoned so many aspects of our lives that it enough can never be said about those who have, against all odds, somehow managed to expose it for what it is.
But where do we go from here. If we were to eradicate this poison the way we got rid of polio or smallpox that would mean doing away with most of our politicians, our entire mainstream media, many of our educators especially at the college level, completely rethink lobbying and government subsidies, clean house at NASA, NOAA, APS, NIAS, and others, and completely withdraw from the UN. And while it seems worth the effort, we cannot lose sight that this is a wholesale redo of our entire political, scientific and education system. Sound familiar America. Our political, education, media and scientific bodies, once the greatest in the world, are in shambles. This to say nothing of our financial ruin. And this being the case we need to figure out who is left to fix them. Who will provide the leadership? Who will provide the right answers? Who will trumpet the message? And who will see to assuring that the next generation does not fall victim to the same?
I hope you are not all thinking there is an answer coming. I don’t know the answer, though I’m pretty sure its clear at this point that its not going to be George Bush or Obama. So short of an answer you all better look out for your own. Letting the man on TV tell you what’s wrong with the world, whose fault it is, and what products you need to put on your credit card to fix it is no longer an option. I am elated to see the Global Warming Hoax finally die a slow painful death. But I am gripped with fear thinking about what will or will not come in the aftermath. Hope you’re all doing well…
What an excellent article! I have Never believed in man made global warming and frankly anything Al Gore is peddling is hogwash and always has been. I stayed in the luxury hotel in San Francisco where Mr. Gore and his wife own a hugely expensive unit. He basks in his wealth and flies all over the world in his private jets with his Hollywood friends (ie Leonardo DiCaprio): they are the worst kind of hypocrites.
All of that being said, reasonable stewardship of our global resources is a responsibility everyone needs to embrace. Cap and Trade isn’t the answer obviously. A general consciousness of care and honest education of the population…without horror/propoganda movies like ‘An Inconvenient Truth’…especially of the wealthiest countries (highest resource users) while encouraging a capitalist system to innovate ways to conserve and recycle those resources, is the logical and most effective way to ‘save the world’.
Rach101: Global Warming is a fantastic science. No matter what the climate does or doesn’t do, it’s due to Global Warming! So, how do I get a job like that?
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You can get a reasonable facsimile as a ‘weather forcaster’ at your local radio or TV station. They don’t have to be right either.
kennyvii … I guess I’m one of the “flat earthers” because I have always been very skeptical of AGW and have always been very wary of the money trail and how circular it was ( with the UN squarely in the middle at the epicenter ).
What I would like to see is the continuance of real ingenuity by private and/or public individuals or institutions that would help create or further refine actual alternative energies that are more cost effective to users and less damaging to the environment than fossil fuels may actually be. I simply cannot believe that we haven’t been able to improve upon the internal combustion technology that has been around for 100 years. Their personal reward would be immense riches and the planet would in essence be better off. We’d have cheaper energy and if it is cleaner, how is that bad ?
I am not advocating any more public funding of scare science which recommends a global shifting amd redistribution of wealth that was highly questionable all along, but rather, investment funding in better technology and cleaner energy towards a true end, not towards bloated UN initiatives or Cap and Trade nonsense. I do feel that unbiased scientific research with regard to whether or not we’re having any effect would be great, but I don’t live in a fantasy world where I actually think this is a probability where government funding is involved. Science in it’s simplest form is supposed to be steeped in fact and even trailblazing science has a responsibility to develop theory devoid of emotion and based upon research data and assumptions that can be confirmed or investigated. Of course, it should always be open to review by others, at which time it can wither be confirmed, further advances can be made/developed or be disproved.
Finally, I would truly like to see those involved in perpetrating this immense fraud be held fully accountable. Billions of taxpayer dollars from around the globe have funded these ridiculous pursuits and these people should have to answer for that. I do feel that this was very intricately orchestrated and they got caught, but that does not mean that I wouldn’t like further information and better alternatives to what we have. Rational thought and legitimate progress should always be the goal.
“Al Gore didn’t invent the Internet, but he sure did make up Global Warming.” — bumpersticker seen in the San Francisco Bay Area
Dissent in face of any prevailing orthodoxy, no matter how self-evidently erroneous and nasty-minded, is a matter not of academic smarts, nor even native intelligence, but of character, conviction, willingness to confront lazy-minded herd mentalities on their own ground.
Galileo is the classic case, hauled before the Inquisition for addressing Copernicus’ heliocentric proposition that planets move in Kepler’s elliptical orbits on the Sun. Have admitted theological vs. scientific error to avoid the stake, he is reported to have murmured “eppur si muove”– nevertheless, Earth moves. Darwin too faced (and still faces) obloquy; Solzhenitsyn comes to mind.
Climate Cultists’ opponents are neither “deniers” nor “skeptics”, for those terms imply that anthropogenic global warming (AGW) has some ascertainable reality to begin with. But Warmists’ postulated global Greenhouse Effect is in reality immeasurable, while Lorenz’s Chaos Theory and Boltzman’s Second Conservation Law of thermodynamic entropy render the hypothesis mathematically and physically impossible. No wonder that since 1988 Warmists have resorted entirely to fabrication and deceit; as for Prof. Jones’ contrition, his mea culpas ring as hollow as ever Bernie Madoff’s did.
Character, integrity, in science as elsewhere are the sine qua non for civilized progress. Too bad today’s arrogant, crypto-fascist academic, economic, and political elites are self-proclaimed Enemies of the People in democracy’s true sense.
Unfortunately, the hoax is not dead yet. There is just too much money involved. From the governments looking for new tax revenue down to government scientists applying for grants. In between there are the General Electrics and other corporations that manufacture windmills and solar panels and carbon capture equipment, and the Greens that make a living from donations while crying that the sky is falling. Then there are the Third World countries looking to sell their carbon “credits”. Money to be made all over the place. The alarm that the globe is warming will not die soon.
“Climate Change” is the status quo. As a geologist I can say without hesitation that the climate has been changing for as long as the earth has existed and it will continue to change in the future. The Warmers once called it Global Warming and when that didn’t work (too much evidence of it cooling down or at least not going up), they hijacked the “Climate Change” label so nobody could ever prove them wrong. (It’s pretty easy to assert the sun exists because it comes up every morning–it’s the status quo.)
But “climate change” isn’t what these Warmers are all about; no, they’re into whatever they can use as an excuse to control and tax. And that is going to come to an end. I tell everybody I know what I think of their nefarious scheme and how they should be in jail because of the horrible impact they’ve had on humanity. Lots of people are worse off now because so much food is being diverted into fuel rather than feeding people. Lots of traditional fuel now sits in the ground because they think it would increase the CO2 content of the atmosphere and cause drastic, irreversible and catastrophic warming, but that’s a big fat lie. Even Phil Jones of the CRU at East Anglia finally admitted that the scientists don’t have any such consensus on this. They get it from simplistic experiments and computer models that can’t even backcast, say nothing of forecast.
Carbon dioxide is actually a very beneficial gas and the deserts and other ecosystems are actually getting greener. Plants don’t need as much water when CO2 goes up in the atmosphere, yet the current atmosphereic level of CO2 is much less than it has been in the geological past. The fact that the oceans didn’t all boil away at any time in our past is proof positive that they’re not heading that way now.
Analysis of temperatures actually show a moderate warming the past century, but here’s the important analysis: Low temperatures during the winter are rising, high temperatures in the summer are moderating and falling a bit, and the seasons we call fall and spring are getting longer. So summers aren’t as hot and winters aren’t as cold. This means the growing season is getting longer, which is a much better situation than we would be experiencing if the earth was getting colder (but since CO2 isn’t controlling the earth’s temperature, doing everything the Warmers demand that we do won’t have a measurable impact). And since the earth tends to run in cycles–getting either colder or warmer, I’m glad we’re experiencing the slight warming we’re seeing. After coming out of the Little Ice Age, this bodes well for humanity.
As Robert C said, Ian’s book is excellent, though not the easiest read for a layman, and I recommend it as well. He thoroughly demolishes the whole set up step by step, and in detail. Now everytime I see another article on the collapsing fraud, I constantly think “I already knew about that.”
“Even more disturbingly, Climategate emails show two decades of systematic willful fraud.”
That is a flat out lie, par for the course for denier cultists. But I am sure the cultist who read and comment will claim otherwise. My advice to non-denier cultists, go read that actual e-mails, not the lies told about them.
Ian you are a bald faced liar. Why would anyone listen to you? Well obviously those in teh denier cult will becuase you tell them what they want to hear.
Ted — You’re the liar and the delusional one here. In light of Phil Jones’ admission, there’s nothing to hang your hat on in any honest intellectual way. Demonizing Ian shows how lost you really are. The proof has been there and the leading man in this had admitted as much, but you worship the earth and the environment so it’s borderline futile to make the obvious point to someone as dense as yourself.
Wake up and enjoy life. You’re not that powerful to literally change the climate. I know that crushes your sense of self-importance and your ultrasensitive ego.
Poor lil Ted will have to grow up and find a new sense of purpose to life.
The numbers were suspect from the very start. CO2 makes up 384 parts per million of Earth’s atmosphere, trending up, measured at the summit of Mauna Kea. Mankind’s contribution is 3 percent of that. While some poisons can do terrible damage to some systems at such low concentrations, that’s not CO2. The other term for CO2 is plant food. It’s part of that Gaia, Web of Life, thing.
Let’s see … in general, warm is good and cold is bad; food is good, no food is bad; Earth is big, man is small; truth is good, falsehoods are bad, Government is big, Government is stupid.
I think it’s becoming a little more clear now. What have we learned? Nothing new.
I hope Al “Global Warming” Gore likes polar bears raiding his garbage!
Ted, I am laughing my a$$ off at you and all those who share your same childish mentality. You and the rest of the warmist nuts remind me of a group of 2nd graders standing around with their fingers stuck in their ears, screaming as loudly as they can “MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL, DAMMIT!!! IT IS! IT IS! IT HAS TO BE!” Even the damning admissions two days ago by one of your resident “high priests”, Dr. Phil Jones, isn’t enough to shake you out of your spell.
The fact is that you stooges have invested so much of yourselves into global warming as a religion, not as science, that even if Michael Mann himself were to appear on CNN tonight and say …
“OK, I admit it. I made the whole thing up to try and get more research money and enhance my own reputation. I intentionally fudged my data to hide warm periods from centuries ago in order to make the recent warming period seem abnormal. There’s no compelling evidence to support the claim that mankind’s carbon emissions are altering the climate in any appreciable way.” …
you still wouldn’t be able to let go. Fortunately, the great majority of the public hasn’t been similarly brainwashed, and they are now beginning to appreciate “man-made global warming” for what it really is: the biggest single con job in human history.
“There are few things in life that suck quite as much as that moment in an argument when you realize you’re wrong.”
To #4- “Where is Gore”?
I bet he is in one of the many underground bases ready for “The end of the world as we know it”.
AGW or not the important thing that everyone should have looked at is the solutions that were being put forth by Al (the fraud) Gore and his progressive cronies. It all revolved around redistributing wealth from the West to others. the monies had to pass through the hands of Al and friends so they could get a piece. Dip their beaks as a famous organized crime figure put it. Nothing proposed, carbon credits, taxes, green industry and the rest would have had no effect on anything but increasing the power of the One Worlders and the UN. Now even if there is something that might have been done to clean up the environment it may be lose because of these crooks and phonies. They may turn out to have been the worst environmental criminals of the 21st century. Progressives seem to have been on the wrong side of almost all the big issues of the 20th and now the start of the 21st century. It is what happens when “by any means necessary” is your matra.
…doing away with most of our politicians, our entire mainstream media, many of our educators especially at the college level, completely rethink lobbying and government subsidies, clean house at NASA, NOAA, APS, NIAS, and others, and completely withdraw from the UN. And while it seems worth the effort, we cannot lose sight that this is a wholesale redo of our entire political, scientific and education system.
And the downside of said redo is ?
All power is vested in We The People, the dirty little secret the Left has has attempted to conceal for decades as it set about constructing We The Sheeple.
Expanding slightly
on the scope of the Declaration of Independence, as these entities have become destructive of the ends for which they were established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them.
I hope I am completely wrong but all who are speaking the truth are at risk. Please, watch your backs, they have too much invested in their systems and organizations and plans. With that much self-righteousness they are very dangerous to all who don’t agree with them.
I see a potential for extreme, ugly backlash, as those who worship at the altar of Warmism see substantive challenges to their belief structure.
Such challenges, especially to the rigid doctrinaire mind, amount to heresy. Apart from the questionable science, Warmism as dogma has been adopted by every Marxist/Progressive on the planet.
Silencing the opposition is part of the plan, see tendencies exhibited in East Anglia emails.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
~Thomas Jefferson
I fear that there is a little over-icing going on this cake as well.
re:
“The allotted 10-minute speaking time for President Hugo Chavez became a one-hour rant against capitalism. He received a standing ovation. This is what Copenhagen was about.”
While Hugo did indeed deliver one of his Castro-style wind fests, what he got, if you actually watch the full videotape of his “speech” and the applause afterwards, could hardly be characterised as anything like a “standing ovation”. THAT was sheer disinformation.
CLIMATEGATE? NO, IT’S CLIMATECHANGE
It does not matter IF you believe that climate change is occurring or not. Just LIVE in this and experience it yourself. Just compare your early life to this one and see for yourself. Just compare the scientific data that is demonstrated in our “ancient forests” to compare hundreds of years ago to today and clearly the CLIMATE is changing and IS UNHEALTHFUL for the living species called humans (as well as every other living thing).
If you doubt it, just live in the Pacific Northwest to see that there has been a radical change in weather, climate patterns. The quality of the Pacific Ocean water and the non-saline waters from the rivers and streams that empty into it are now full of pollutants that are being absorbed by fish and other living things, some of which mankind eats and is absorbing. Part of the Pacific Ocean in the NW now has DEAD ZONES where there is NO oxygen because of the pollution.
Take a look at the decimation of the forests by Pine Bark Beetles because the winters are no longer COLD enough to kill the beetle’s larvae that then EAT and KILL the forests, that then catch fire and burn throughout the western states; such that the forests then cannot hold back the soils while winter floods continue to spoil the rivers, streams, and everything in them which explains that lack of spawnable rocks for salmon regeneration as the rocks become covered in muck.
There are many bays in the NW now filled with muck because of run off from hills stripped by clear cutting of forests, as those bays used to teem with fish that no longer exist because someone decided to take a short cut for profit and KILLED entire bays in the Pacific NW, meaning that it also killed off jobs in the fishing businesses.
And, the ANTI-ENVIRONMENTALISTS continue their propaganda from their suites on Wall Street to tell all of us that it is NORMAL for all of this to occur. And, lemming-like, humans run off the cliffs to drown in the seas of Corporatists’ propaganda as the corporatists profit from the deaths of humans, other species and natural resources, in the name of “free enterprise!”
Americans, we are told, should go about their lives by continuing to pollute, to blow smoke into each others’ lungs; to allow toxins to continue to flow into one’s drinking water; to allow one’s skin to absorb the toxic waste materials and radioactivity being forced into and onto the bodies of humans, regardless of being PRO or ANTI-Environment. The requirement is to make sure that Wall Street makes a profit as afterall the BIG SUPREME COURT has already bestowed INDIVIDUAL STATUS to organizations that do not breathe, that have no births or deaths.
But, after humans have allowed the toxicity to reach an unlivable level and the species is gone, just HOW will those so-called “individuals” called corporations continue? They won’t either. They will have killed themselves along with the rest of us.
So, just WHY would a corporate structure demand its own suicide? Why are we humans allowing it?
It is NOT about “CLIMATEGATE.” It is about CLIMATE CHANGE that we humans ARE causing, and allowing others to cause. Mother Nature did NOT cause the leakage of dangerous radioactivity into the Columbia River from the Hanford Nuclear Waste Dump. Humans from Washington, D.C. did that.
Mother nature did NOT cause those nuclear plants at Three Mile Island and in Russia to go ballistic. Human Beings in Washington, D.C. and in Moscow, Russia did that.
And, some persons are willing to reduce their and your lives and that of your families to the propaganda of corporate polluters and their ilk? Why?
There are many other ways for all of us to live higher standards of living without KILLING the very resources that give each of us life.
But, IF the corporatists of the world want to continue their pollution while denying that they are harming the environment, they are welcome to go the way of the DODO bird.
OR, perhaps those CEO’s who deny that pollution kills, would be willing to drink the water from the Monongahela, Allegheny, Potomac Rivers as a demonstration as to how SAFE those waters are to drink. Just how long would the CEO’s of those companies last? Maybe a week before their organs would shut down from the toxic waste IN those waters.
Anyone who denies that a deleterious change is occurring is self-delusional. All one has to do is walk the WEST COAST beaches to see the death and destruction occurring among the wildlife. All one has to do is measure the toxicity of the waters in all of this nation’s rivers. All one has to do is measure the acidity of the world’s oceans.
The source of that? Humans dumping waste into them.
But, IF the corporatists continue to demand their right to POLLUTE, then let them. They won’t survive any longer than the rest of us. Then, Mother Nature will take over without a species so hell bent on polluting this once grand, and once clean planet.
It’s about CLIMATE CHANGE caused by human beings’ pollution.
I’ve been a computer programmer and what struck me from the disclosed emails was the program code. The code will basically generate a chart of whatever you want it to say. The old garbage-in-garbage-out. The computer code alone shows the whole thing to be a fraud! Start the lawsuits. Sue the colleges. Attack their trust funds. Taking their money will get their attention.
It’s really ridiculous to watch the enviroNazis, now that their global warming fraud has been exposed, trying to fall back on the old notion that we really ought to go along with their schemes “for the good of the planet” and because “pollution is bad”. Such a bunch of pathetic, manipulative scum they are.
CG- exactly how old are you anyway? I’m guessing still in college (or less) being indoctrinated with leftist flotsam and jetsum from overeducated ex-hippie commune dwellers from the 60′s…
First of all…climate CHANGE has ALWAYS occirred. It’s part of the natural course of things you hold so dear on this planet. End of story.
All the other things you mention have NOTHING to do with climate “CHANGE”.
Face it, you lost one of your precious pillars of propaganda to hang your every arguement on for the evils of human life on the earth.
CG-
Oh, one more thing. I suggest you read this article. Not that it will change your mind…but maybe, it just might open your eyes to the human cost of your “religion”…that is, unless you believe that killing off millions of humans is a GOOD THING for the earth…as some do:
THE GREEN DEATH
http://www.doczero.org/2010/02/the-green-death/
We need to jail all those behind the global warming scam. Starting with Al Gore and all the members of the IPCC.
38. ZoeSmith:
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Your’s is also a great description of ‘the religion of peace’.
Thank you, Ian Plimer, for having the courage to speak out.
Hidden beneath the Climategate iceberg are decades of filth and data manipulation by NASA and DOE, and at the National Academy of Sciences that reviews their budgets.
On behalf of future generations, Ian, I deeply appreciate your courage!
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Emeritus Professor of
Nuclear & Space Sciences
Former NASA PI for Apollo
Dear JohnR22, what people haven’t realized is that so-called peer-reviewed medical science (drug and surgery science) has been pulling the same stunt for a long long time as organized by those who stand to profit. Look at the billions of dollars on the swine flu fiasco. There has been no pandemic, but people have been injured by a poorly tested vaccine.
I personally believe that we ARE destroying this planet quite rapidly, and at an accelerating pace. When it comes to global warming “propaganda”a few bad apples have spoiled the bunch, perhaps. Who is truly objective anymore? Always question authority, but ask yourself if you come with your own agenda as well. Perhaps you’re not afraid of a One World Order, you are just a selfish person who doesnt like to be inconvenienced? Let’s get a panel of scientists NOT linked to big oil OR the Left. Yes, let’s be wary of fearmongers, who lie on both sides of the aisle (remember the McCarthy era, anyone?). But remember EVERYTHING you ever touch see or feel is of the Earth and most of what you use will never be truly reclaimed, it will only be used once. So make it count.
#69;
Here’s the solution for you: stop crapping in your neighbors yard, put your rubbish in the trash can and don’t throw bottles out of the windows of your car when you think no one is looking.
Keep your car tuned up and if it smokes trade it in for a new one. If you can do that I think the rest of us and the Earth will be alright.
Hey all. It is not just “socialists” who pull the wool over our eyes on these matters. It’s business people too you know – otherwise known as capitalists. Let’s get it right.
Dr Plimer, you are a great Australian, a great scientist and a courageous man. My congratulations.