The Current “defense”
Al Gore’s web network ran a rather silly blog post to minimize the NASA release, titled: “It’s ClimateGate 2.0 ( … Not)”. The post invites further scrutiny — now unfolding through the legal process — by anxiously stating:
Clearly there was no metaphorical “smoking gun” in the emails, because the CEI didn’t crow about a likely Climategate 2.0 following the emails’ release.
Deliberate procession is alien to the global warming alarmist. We’ve thoroughly examined the emails, and we’re crowing now.
The Current post takes pains to portray Canadian businessman Steve McIntyre as the bad guy, rather than the deliberate professional he has been in uncovering inappropriate behavior. Revealingly, the Current TV author tips his hat to inspiration provided by Howard University’s Joshua Halpern (who hides as the source of his often vitriolic missives behind the name “EliRabbett”). The author of the Current post selects innocent passages from the NASA emails and presents them as somehow being representative proof that the hundreds of pages are benign. And this does not appear to be because he simply failed to encounter the damning information — rather, he clearly implies that he has read all of the emails.
Yet the Current TV author says something that is, at least in part, the truth:
Put simply, the emails show the GISS scientists acting professionally and in an open and transparent manner with reporters and McIntyre himself.
Yes, when dealing with McIntyre directly they were professional — though this followed internal, often nasty deliberations revealing a desire to deflect his legitimate inquiries. When dealing with the media they were quite unprofessional, showing either evasiveness (dodging very specific questions from reporters from New York to Brazil) or a too-cozy relationship with reporters friendly to their cause (as noted here).
Regarding any implication that these emails reveal these scientists acting professionally outside of their direct dealings with McIntyre, I see no need to further rebut this point by drawing additional attention to the alarmists’ preferred approach of focusing on ad hominem attacks and name-calling, of which there is plenty in the revealed pages. Because that is not the primary story the emails expose, though directing attention to such behavior was the preferred tactic to distract from Climategate, the original.
But why change the subject to the prurient when the subject itself is so fascinating?
Check with PJM in coming weeks for our update and specifics when we announce the litigation against NASA and one other taxpayer-funded climate office refusing the taxpayer access to that for which the taxpayer paid 100%. We will reveal numerous tactics which NASA and others used to hide public information from the public, protecting their highly lucrative franchise of global warming alarmism.






The problem with research centers like NASA and CRU is that they are driven by bureaucratic rather than scientific incentives. Success isn’t a new finding – it’s more funding. And in the AGW debate, there’s very little money in an honest accounting of our uncertainties.
See “The war on the weather”:
http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/the-war-on-the-weather/
There is no science associated with the environmental cultists. Just fear and an overwhelming sense of crisis. With their amen corner in the media, Truth, Objective thought and common sense go right out the window for sensationalism and fear mongering. The EPA is the most corrosive force in the US today. Rules and regs started out with this(Pick anything) is bad for you measured at 1 part per million. Then it goes to 1 part per billion. Next will be one part per trillion. When combined with statements that your risk of getting cancer will go up by 100%, let the fear commence. What they never tell you is that the risk is 1 person per million and it now has gone up to 2 per million. Thats an increase of 100%. They come out with pronouncements that this step / regulation / law will save 100 lives but never come out with the forensic evidence that shows that there are people dying of this new threat in the first place. One would think that the medical establishment would have statistics on a forensic level that show the cause of death was exposure to the villian compound of the week. These statistics are no where to be found and where the EPA gets them is proably from the same sources the IPCC and the CRU got their statistics. Don’t hear much about the superfund cleanup sites do we? It took less time to build the pyramids than these idiots take to remediate a polluted site. But thats the objective. Pace everything out so the perks, payroll and endless analyses can continue. The advocacy groups and environmental groups have endless supplies of money to bring suit angainst things they object to but none to fund any of the objectives they want. They leave that to us suckers who buy into their fear aganda. They the EPA control the generation of the statistics, the level of polution thats acceptable, The remedies, the analysis and the regulations. Tort lawyers never had it this good. The EPA is always checking on us to make sure we live a life they mandate. Who, exactly checks on them to make sure what they are selling us isn’t total BS?
The grant buy-off scheme comes clearly into focus. Hey grants come from taxes, so why not use grants to get more taxes with science hoaxes. I believe totalitarian governments have used this ruse for ages.
Expected, but I still find it rather amazing, with Obama comments a day or so ago “We’ve have 5 feet of snow here in Washington…” and he went on to sarcastically snipe at Global Warming opponents…
Enough information has been released thanks to Climategate that demonstrates ‘science’ behind IPCC is nothing but corrupt and fabrication. This Obama position is Legacy damaging!
But agenda has priority over Legacy, something about that which doesn’t quite fit.
Oh well, Obama is a Jimmy Carter one-termer anyway. And in two hears eleven months (to the day) we can get started cleaning up his messes.
Hopey/Changey, wonderful stuff…
NASA has faked everything from the 1969 “moon landing” and almost everything in between. NASA is not to be believed about ANYTHING. Our government lies to us believe it or not…. sheeple.
Richard Milhaus Scurvy Wilson III writes:
“NASA has faked everything from the 1969 ‘moon landing’ and almost everything in between. NASA is not to be believed about ANYTHING. Our government lies to us believe it or not…. sheeple.”
Tell me this letter isn’t a plant from an AGW huckster. How convenient it precisely matches the orchestrated slurs True Believers been casting about “Deniers” since ClimateGate, yet bears no resemblance to the legitimate comments and observations of skeptics found on dozens of sites. I deal with lots of AGW skeptics, and not one believes the Moon landing was hoaxed. The pseudo documentary “Conspiracy Theory” was produced by the same Hollywood producer who made the movie “Capricorn One,” about a faked space landing.
Polls indicate that the vast majority of Americans who believe in conspiracies and claim 9/11 was a inside job self-identify as Liberal Democrats. Ditto for the vast majority of AGW believers. There is no statistical correlation between AGW skeptics and belief in conspiracies of any kind. Rationalists tend not to fall for flim-flams quite as readily as cultists do.
NASA – another link in the worldwide conspiracy to sap our Precious Bodily Fluids.
See any of these stories in television news after two decades of relentless press coverage of Global Warming with no questions asked? The national media’s continued silence on ClimateGate and increasing revelations of outright fraud and wrongdoing at all levels of government, academia and the media itself, tells the truth of the tail. That truth is there’s a lot more to this ClimateGate story than what little is being reported. The small (2 to 3 dozen) international cabal of climate scientists could not have possibly gotten to this point without extraordinary funding, political support at virtually all levels of government, especially at the national level and unparalleled cooperation from the national and world media. This wide-spread networked support continues even as we-the-people puzzle over what this is all about. I ask you, “What are you seeing and hearing from our national media on the subject?” Anything? What are you seeing and hearing from all levels of our government, local and regional newspapers and media outlets? Anything of substance? At all of these levels the chatter has remained remarkably quite on the subject, wouldn’t you say? Why? What points and positions are you beginning to hear on the radio and see on the television? This cabal of scientists has an unprecedented level of support given the revelations contained in the emails, documented in the computer software code and elaborated in the associated programmer remarks (REM) within the code. And —- this has gone on for years, AND continues even in the presence of the most damning evidence one could imagine, or even hope for. Watergate pales in comparison, given the trillions of dollars in carbon offset taxes, cap & trade fees hanging in the balance and the unimaginable political control over people’s lives this all implies. The mainstream media’s conspiracy of silence proves the point. Their continued cover-up is as much a part of this crime as the actual scientific fraud. ABC, CBS and NBC are simply co-conspirators exercising their 5th Amendment rights.
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Joseph, is your forceful and persuasive prose style inherited, congenital, innate, or just something that runs in the family?
I wonder what moon landing anniversary year people will begin to realize that no human has ever walked on the moon. This year was what….the 40th anniversary of the faked moon landings and nobody has ever been back there? I guess maybe it will have to be the 200th anniversary of the faked moon landings and nobody ever returning to the moon since 1969 that maybe people will begin to question NASA!
Those boys really did have the right stuff back in “69. With the computing power of a digital watch they did what no other humans have ever done. They went to the moon several times and returned without a single death even considering the Apollo 13 made-for-TV drama! WOW!!! Just think about the folding moon rover technology they had back then too!! I wonder where all that magical technology is today??
Words, words, words.
Lying and absconding with funds is a revered practice in government.
If this had happened in private industry, the FBI, DoJ and other state and federal agencies would be spending millions investigating and prosecuting.
But it happened in government, so those involved will continue to have the plaques on the wall announcing their grants.
Are there any morals left in government? Not from what I can see.
Florida.
I lived in florida and I know what goes on down in the Keys and I suppose that is where you’d like to be.
I voted for Reagan twice and I am an Eagle Scout. In addition to that I am actually highly educated to the point that I can think for myself and I can read and study. I would bet my life that nobody has ever gone to the moon nor will they “return” in our lifetime or our children’s. If you were able to read and think for yourself and look at the facts you too would come to the same shocking conclusion.
This has nothing to do with the fake right/left, liberal/conservative dualopoly that you have obviously fallen for. I was 9 yrs old when we supposedly landed on the moon and at that time I fell for it too…..hook, line and sinker. wake up man.
Richard Milhaus Scurvy Wilson III said:
“I lived in florida and I know what goes on down in the Keys and I suppose that is where you’d like to be.”
What does THAT mean? And no, I don’t like the Keys.
Here are some sites for you:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5833633/Apollo-11-Moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked.html
http://www.apollo-hoax.co.uk/homepage.html
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax-jw.htm
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23Feb_2.htm
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html (scroll down)
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Apollo11MoonLanding/story?id=8104410&page=1
ClimateGate is a term unknown to Socialist Democrats, the readers of the NYT and LT and WaPo, and the 99% of other papers that feed off them, the viewers of CNN and NBC and the other Lame Brain MEdia. They have no idea that AGW is unravelling.
Meanwhile, the Smithsonian, the National Geographic, Audubon, Popular science, etc., Greenies all, hammer a way with articles on how we are destroying our “fragile planet” and can save it by prohibiting smoking in public parks.
I applaud what you are doing; it is very important. But nothing is going to happen until you break the cone of silence and the gullible journalists who truly believe AGW is “settled science” are forced to acknowledge that they have been scammed. Now, they are like the henhouse owners who believe “Ain’t nobody here but us chickens.”
They will never “return” to the moon you will see. No way I can convince anybody in this limited venue. They never went and they wont be able to return either. The conditions are just too harsh on the moon and we don’t have the technology today to do it. Never did.
Mr. Horner,
Thank you for the 4 articles regarding your clawing tooth and nail to get information.. that you, we have the RIGHT to see!
Have a pleasant week-end.
I’ve never seen so many hilarious conspiracy theorists and climate change deniers in one place before. Thanks google news for sending me here to see what blatant denial people are in even when faced with facts and explanations. No, no, you’re right, all the media spin from everything that has happened in 6 months is the smoking gun for skeptics. OH AND ITS COLD OUT, WHATS UP WITH THAT? Honestly, could you people at least pretend to know what you’re talking about when you, the non-scientists, approach the real deal to attempt a, “debate.”
Laughable.
I never did think too highly about the AGW theory, but I was willing to tolerate some alarmism and exaggeration among the environmentalists because so many of them are scientifically and mathematically illiterate. It never occurred to me that our government-paid climate “researchers” are corrupt: I just thought they were engaging in some showmanship.
The failure to publish the data manipulations and underlying raw data as a routine matter, the “loss” of data, and those damning comparisons between the raw data from the original sources and the publications by the alarmists, followed by an admission that there hasn’t been any global warming for the last decade-and-a-half, have made me conclude that this is a case of fraud.
Mr. Horner, please finish documenting it all. We have a budget to cut.
17. Amazed:
I’ve never seen so many hilarious conspiracy theorists and climate change deniers in one place before. Thanks google news for sending me here to see what blatant denial people are in even when faced with facts and explanations. No, no, you’re right, all the media spin from everything that has happened in 6 months is the smoking gun for skeptics. OH AND ITS COLD OUT, WHATS UP WITH THAT? Honestly, could you people at least pretend to know what you’re talking about when you, the non-scientists, approach the real deal to attempt a, “debate.”
Laughable.
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Why don’t you prove global warming then? Tell what I’ll even compromise. You come up with the 19999 – 2003 data that the CRU used to make up the IPCC report. Thats it just find those years of data. If that is too much look what homogenizing temperature stations means and how it effects the data sets. Or you could just tell me how many of the worlds temperature stations were omitted that reside in cooler ares like the mid-west of vast areas of Russia. Or tell me why so many of the data points came from American cities as a percent of total compared to the rest of the world. You talk about facts but do you actually know what the facts are? Are you sure its us that don’t know whats going on?
Amazed @ #17: You apparently have not been keeping up with the news on the internet. Do some searching and you will see how fraudulent the warmists have been, even if there cause was a “noble one” (a la Steve Mosher).
Did Milhous Wilson III sneak into CPAC and vote for Ron Paul?
“We will reveal numerous tactics which NASA and others used to hide public information from the public, protecting their highly lucrative franchise of global warming alarmism.”
Be sure to include a subchapter on the devious nature of RealClimate.org, which carefully screens comments to make sure that none of their “gospel” is corrupted (if someone out there doesn’t believe this, just try posting a real argument to the PAP that appears there). That blog is a direct affront to true science.
They will never “return” to the moon you will see. No way I can convince anybody in this limited venue. They never went and they wont be able to return either. The conditions are just too harsh on the moon and we don’t have the technology today to do it. Never did.
I’ve never seen so many hilarious conspiracy theorists and climate change deniers in one place before. Thanks google news for sending me here to see what blatant denial people are in even when faced with facts and explanations. No, no, you’re right, all the media spin from everything that has happened in 6 months is the smoking gun for skeptics. OH AND ITS COLD OUT, WHATS UP WITH THAT? Honestly, could you people at least pretend to know what you’re talking about when you, the non-scientists, approach the real deal to attempt a, “debate.”
God, I love the comments here sometimes. Do you suppose these are both the same guy?
Group-think is a much simpler explanation and charge than a conspiracy. We have to recognize that they are were not only lying to the public but most importantly to themselves. They assumed their version of events was right because everybody else was certain, and they took shortcuts when it came to their part of their proof, due to that certainty.
#17 Your just another stupid educated progressive. You cry when we wouldnt listen to your crap. Now you still cry when we prove your crap stunk! Put your tail between your legs and move on to another one of your stupid agendas.
Mark my word! I live in Jersey and know people in the solar industry. The crap going on with with my state paying for solar and stupid tax credits for installing solar is outrageous!
I build houses for many Globalwarming nuts. I recently finished a job that the customer wanted solar. The solar company charged $78,000 dollars for about a 40 panel system. My great state of NJ paid $40,000 dollars of that. $38,000 by the homeowner. Now you tell me that $40,000 is worth it. Give me a break.
The customer gets about a 50% break on their electric $1,500 a year. The also get $1,200 a quarter for renewable energy credits bought by compannies who need them to bring their carbon footprint down.
Lets do the math The only real energy cost savings in energy terms is