http://thebiblefromcovertocover.com

Also very relevant to this conversation:

Beyond Conservatism: Freedom in a Godless Future
http://kejda.net/2008/03/17/beyond-conservatism-freedom-in-a-godless-future/

This is a pointless argument because it is impossible to dislodge bigotry from a bigot.

I take great comfort in the knowledge that Ronbert Spencer caters to a very small audience of uneducated bigots and therefore you people cannot possibly accomplish any of the violence you wish you accomplish.

This is a battle that you cannot win.

The interesting thing is that this was sort of the same problem religious people had with science back in the day…that the concepts introduced (or reintroduced in this case) don’t fit their basic perceptions of how things appear to be.

More recent publications have made the argument that the Japanese were about to surrender and did not need the impetus of atomic bombs. All of the original resource material that I used led me to conclude that they were not on the verge of surrendering. This is what American policy makers concluded. One needs to carefully scrutinize the Japanese response to the Potsdam Ultimatum. Then add to this 4 years experience of suicide before surrender. I do not see how American policy makers could have come to any other conclusion. A side note: The original target list included Kyoto. It was removed from the list because of its cultural significance.

There were three different invasion plans submitted to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The plan that was finally accepted was an attack on Southern Kyushu, followed by an invasion of the Tokyo plain. Estimates of casualties differ tremendously. The Joint War Plans Center estimated casualties at 40,000 dead, 150,000 wounded, and 2,500 missing. (1)

Secretary of War Stimson writes that he “was informed that such operations might be expected to cost over a million casualties to American forces alone.” (2)

Truman says that “General Marshal told me that it might cost half a million American lives.” (3)

1. Bernstein, A Postwar Myth, p. 39.

2. Stimson, The Decision To Use The Atomic Bomb, p. 102.

3. Truman, Year of Decisions, p. 417.

Bernstein, B.J., ‘A Postwar Myth: 500,000 U.S. Lives Saved”, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, June/July 1986.

Compton, K.T., “If The Atomic Bomb Had Not Been Used”, Atlantic Monthly, Dec. 1946.

Stimson, H.L., “The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb”, Harper’s Magazine, Feb. 1947.

Alperovitz, G., Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1965.

Feis, H., Between War and Peace, Princeton,, New Jersey, 1960.

Feis, H., Churchill. Roosevelt. Stalin, Princeton, New Jersey, 1957.

Feis, H., The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War Two, Princeton, New Jersey, 1966.

Mandelbaum, M., The Nuclear Revolution, Cambridge University Press, 1981.

Morrison, E.E., Turmoil and Tradition, Boston, 1960.

Smith, G., American Diplomacy During the Second World War

1941-1945, Yale University, 1965.

Truman, H.S., Mr. Citizen, Random House, 1960.

Truman, H.S., Of f The Record, New York, 1980.

Truman, H.S., Year Of Decisions, New York, 1955.

1) Bali bombings
2) Beslan massacre
3) Ethnic cleansing, murder and rape of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus)
4) Destruction of ancient Bamiyan Buddha statues
5) Mumbai train bombings
6) London tube bombings
7) Madrid train bombings Riots in France

on and on….

Islam is vile, murderous, and a cult of thugs, period.

“The funniest part is when Mr. spencer calls for everyone to unite against Jihadists including..secular Muslims.

But anyone who reads JW knows that one of the main assertions there is that such people do not exist (apart from agressively anti-islamic apostates like Ali Sina)

Anyone who’s been reading Hugh Fitzgerald will tell you that 1) these people do not exist and 2) if they do exist there’s no way to tell if they’re lying or not (taqqiya nonsense) 3) even if they’re not lying there’s no way to be sure they wont become Jihadists over night 4) and in the unlikely chance that they are in fact the real deal, there’s no guarantee that their children will follow suit.”

So if he had said there are no secular muslims he would have been a racist,bigot and islamophobe.But since he included secular muslims,which he believes do exist,he is still held to the fire?

Some replies to your points in my own opinion.

1)Whether or not secular muslims exist.They do exist but they are pretty silent and the threat of death and the acts of murder carried out against them is pretty afective in keeping it that way.

2) Taqiya.Muslims are raised to emulate muhammad.Lieing to further islam or to protect muslims in a time of war was okayed by muhammad.I don’t worry so much about the lieing as enemies will lie to one another i would rather focus on the fact that islam is commited to ever lasting war until the world is won.Taqiya is a fact.

3) Even if they aren’t lieing then there is no way to be sure they won’t become jihadists over night.

The more propaganda islam spews the more radicl “normal “muslims become.Add that radicalization with what they are taught from birth ,to hate and to kill and to kill themselves,it’s not a far jaunt.Over night ,a day a week or month.

4) If there are secular muslims theres no guarantee that thier children will follow suit.

There is a chance they won’t follow suit when the incitement runs ramapnt in thier mosques and schools.These schools funded by the governments where terrorism is vibrant.

If the western education is to be taylored to fit immigrants as to not offend them then we not only deprive our own children of a correct and awakening history then we fail those who should be made to see the errors of thier nations ways as well as thier positive.

People are so stuck on what the west has or is doing wrong that nobody is looking at what the islamic world is doing.

The west has never claimed to not have errored.But islam is forever waving and pointing the finger.

Like i have said many times you can self loath all you want but don’t try to bring others who have faught thier way out of that hooey down that path with you.

I will also add that you disgrace yourself and lose points on your character for denouncing ex muslims.These people who lived islam first hand.These people who offer an insight into what all others are trying like hell to discover…what is the problem.

People somehow manage to shrug off the sentence of death for leaving islam,ensuring it remains over a billion strong,which it isn’t.People gloss over the fact that islam rages at the west about it’s slavery history while jedi mind tricking them away from the very chains of slaves they hold in thier hands.

Islam runs around hollering innocent people are being killed and nobody stops to ask what thier definition of innocent people are.It’s muslims and muslims only,thats thier definition.

There are practicing muslims who say out loud that if the U.S. was smart they would ask every single muslim to leave,even himself.

It’s time to start asking questions about islam.Ask them about that which sustains them,what is the air they breathe?

Lets put on our protective gear and get our fire extenguishers out and start asking questions of islam.

To question it is to be seen as insulting it.Are we forever to be doomed to not ask about it or are we just supposed to quietly go into the night and wake up tomorrow with our hands tied.

Pick your topic,religion,politics or everyday life,its all islam all the time.

I look around and see the non religious people who have only the agenda of getting rid of religion all together.Thank America for that right to do so.

i will restate that Chrtianity hasn’t been steering the American ship for quite some time ,but islam HAS been steering the islamic pirate ship for centuries.

What do we teach our children and what do they teach thiers.

It’s really simple.Lets just all get real.

You people are really good at praising yourself.

But the facts still remain the same:

The United States of America dropped nuclear bombs the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing over 150,000 civilians in the process and leaving an equal number to suffer horrendously from injuries and radiation poisoning.

Will anyone argue that the above acts constitute the behavior of a peace-loving Christian nation?

Or … does America have a license to kill as many foreign civilians as it wishes?

Aug 23, 2007 02:48

Your question is ,has been and always will be ludicrous.What you aim to imply is that we should all hate ourselves.Then and now.And probably continue to do so.

You want us to say that we Christians nuked Japan in the name of Jesus Christ.

It ain’t happening

In laymans terms 300,000 civilians programmed and brainwashed into killing any and all including themselves.To keep millions more from being killed.

You would rather of had the millions suffer?

I respect you asking if what we think and do as christians is right.Thats a lesson from God,to question.

A lesson Islam does not offer.

Too much time is being wasted on what we christians are doing right and not looking at Islam to see if what they do and offer is right.

You see we have a whole different entity that you want to blame or should blame,if thats what you are looking to land.

You are stranded in those safe and chartered waters of christianity is to blame,and you like it there all safe.

Have you ever thought what it would have been like if Japan had those nukes?

Mr. Mathews you are one of those who deserves your share of the blame because you are helping islam to hide.You do not call it to account.Because Mr Mathews islam is not blameless.

Islam in all it’s moderate forms still can’t allow other people or even any of it’s own the simple right to choose.Those who do choose are those whose cultures and identities have been erased and replaced.Generational muslims.

You are stuck on what you feel to be a crime,by the U.S., but you fail to see crimes that are in line with those that caused us to drop the nukes in the first place.

Mr.Mathews what of the crime islam commits by teaching thier children to die and to kill and to die in the act of killing,suicide?

What Mr.Mathews fuels the hate? Is it U.S. or western policy?Or is it what they are taught? They think the same thing as you do,it’s your fault.

They are taught it is their religious duty,by grown ups,to kill and die and this is all thier worth.We hear this too much Mr.Mathews.

To attack America is to attack all religions and ethnicity.To attack any islamic country you attack muslims.Because islam is all there is.No matter what you think or hear about all the “freely”practicing religions in it’s orbit.

Islam is all encompassing.We do not attack Islam as a religion on religion war.It is seen that way because no body talks about islam the politics,or are they?

The answer Mr.Mathews is no it was not christian like to drop nukes on Japan,but Mr.Mathews was it the right thing to do?

I doubt that you will find too many people proud about the fact we dropped those nukes but i’ll bet you will find millions and millions more now that are glad they were.

At least once we cleanse them of being self loathers like you Mr.Mathews.

Put your oars back into the waters and start rowing Mr.Mathews there is a lot more water to be explored.

By the way you accuse others of self praising but you come back later to ask the same question?

Seeking praise Mr.Mathews or some dope you wish to feel larger than?

You sit in your boat stranded and afraid to get your oars wet praising the circling sharks.