Comments on: China Silences the Muslim World http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:41:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: hoteles en quindio | hotel quindio | vacaciones quindio | quindio http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-1807570 hoteles en quindio | hotel quindio | vacaciones quindio | quindio Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:53:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-1807570 Hi there very nice website!! Man .. Beautiful .. Amazing .. I will bookmark your web site and take the feeds also?I am happy to seek out so many useful info right here within the submit, we need develop more techniques in this regard, thanks for sharing. . . . . . Hi there very nice website!! Man .. Beautiful .. Amazing .. I will bookmark your web site and take the feeds also?I am happy to seek out so many useful info right here within the submit, we need develop more techniques in this regard, thanks for sharing. . . . . .

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]]> By: Gordon Chang http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-356362 Gordon Chang Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:26:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-356362 Brian, how do you know what Chinese growth is? Beijing's numbers have taken on a fantastical quality recently--especially those relating to the first quarter of this year--as statisticians make sure the numbers keep up with Premier Wen Jianbao's prediction of 8 percent growth. So there's no way to reliably know what's going on in the Chinese economy. Brian, how do you know what Chinese growth is?

Beijing’s numbers have taken on a fantastical quality recently–especially those relating to the first quarter of this year–as statisticians make sure the numbers keep up with Premier Wen Jianbao’s prediction of 8 percent growth. So there’s no way to reliably know what’s going on in the Chinese economy.

]]> By: Brian http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-355331 Brian Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:20:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-355331 care to put money that it will double the growth in US over the next 2 years? :) care to put money that it will double the growth in US over the next 2 years? :)

]]> By: Gordon Chang http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-352254 Gordon Chang Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:17:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-352254 Brian, the Chinese political system is more repressive now than it was in the Spring of 1989. It is also more repressive now than it was a half decade ago. Although the Chinese people are moving in the right direction, their political system is going into reverse. So, no, we cannot say that China is changing for the better. If anything, society is more unstable today than it has been in a long time. And although Beijing claimed 7.9 percent growth in the second quarter, the numbers don't add up. Growth was probably four percent at most. And the economy is headed for trouble because Beijing is renationalizing the economy and creating another bad-loan crisis for the banks. The signs are not good for China in the next two years. So, although China has a better growth rate now, that won't last. Brian, the Chinese political system is more repressive now than it was in the Spring of 1989. It is also more repressive now than it was a half decade ago. Although the Chinese people are moving in the right direction, their political system is going into reverse. So, no, we cannot say that China is changing for the better. If anything, society is more unstable today than it has been in a long time.

And although Beijing claimed 7.9 percent growth in the second quarter, the numbers don’t add up. Growth was probably four percent at most. And the economy is headed for trouble because Beijing is renationalizing the economy and creating another bad-loan crisis for the banks. The signs are not good for China in the next two years. So, although China has a better growth rate now, that won’t last.

]]> By: Brian http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-352101 Brian Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:40:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-352101 Several other posters to this article living in China currently seem to have a similar outlook to mine as to their experiences there. Perhaps there is something to it. I don't claim to be an expert on it... Just reporting my experiences there. Several other posters to this article living in China currently seem to have a similar outlook to mine as to their experiences there. Perhaps there is something to it. I don’t claim to be an expert on it… Just reporting my experiences there.

]]> By: Brian http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-352099 Brian Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:37:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-352099 Many of those statements I can agree with. You WILL not see anything in the media challenging the Communist part or their right to rule. BUT political change is slow in China, one thing cannot be argued however, China IS changing, and changing for the better. Aside from politics there is much to admire the Chinese culture for and their get it done philosophy (which once upon a time existed in the USA. 95 percent of the population has no desire to change the government their, yet people in the US feel it's our obligation to tell them what government they should have? Taxation is a modern day form of slavery in my mind... and the US citizens are taxed far more than the Chinese... And how many people in the US feel they have a voice in government? It's all smoke and mirrors my friend. Sure we have the right to stand on the street corner and yell about it, but you think that makes a difference? My experiences in China says the country gets a very poor and unfair representation in the US... Misinformation helps no one. It's far from perfect there... but its far from perfect here as well. But the GDP in China expanded 8 percent last quarter... how is it doing in the US? Many of those statements I can agree with. You WILL not see anything in the media challenging the Communist part or their right to rule. BUT political change is slow in China, one thing cannot be argued however, China IS changing, and changing for the better. Aside from politics there is much to admire the Chinese culture for and their get it done philosophy (which once upon a time existed in the USA.
95 percent of the population has no desire to change the government their, yet people in the US feel it’s our obligation to tell them what government they should have? Taxation is a modern day form of slavery in my mind… and the US citizens are taxed far more than the Chinese… And how many people in the US feel they have a voice in government? It’s all smoke and mirrors my friend. Sure we have the right to stand on the street corner and yell about it, but you think that makes a difference? My experiences in China says the country gets a very poor and unfair representation in the US… Misinformation helps no one. It’s far from perfect there… but its far from perfect here as well. But the GDP in China expanded 8 percent last quarter… how is it doing in the US?

]]> By: Gordon Chang http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-349909 Gordon Chang Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:46:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-349909 Brian, thanks for your reply. Yes, the reporting from Urumqi was freer than reporting on Tibet last year and freer than the reporting from Iran this year, but you still did not see in the Chinese press criticisms of Chinese government policies, did you? Criticisms of the way security forces handled the protests? Reports saying that Beijing's charges of outside agitation were bunkum? With your reference to the Obama administration and MSM, are you trying to equate controls on the American media to Chinese media controls? I hope not. I made the statements about corruption proceedings based on my time in China and almost a decade of following the matter. No, I have not studied each and every case of corruption. But if you applied that standard, nobody could say anything on any topic. The Party has allowed limited criticisms of Beijing policies, especially in economic matters, because it has had to. Why did it have to? The internet. But you have not seen challenges to the Communist Party's right to rule in the press. Criticisms of food-on-subway bans is not especially indicative of a free press. Let's not try to elevate some minor improvement from the Maoist era as a big deal, especially when the political system has become progressively more respressive since 2002. Brian, thanks for your reply.

Yes, the reporting from Urumqi was freer than reporting on Tibet last year and freer than the reporting from Iran this year, but you still did not see in the Chinese press criticisms of Chinese government policies, did you? Criticisms of the way security forces handled the protests? Reports saying that Beijing’s charges of outside agitation were bunkum?

With your reference to the Obama administration and MSM, are you trying to equate controls on the American media to Chinese media controls? I hope not.

I made the statements about corruption proceedings based on my time in China and almost a decade of following the matter. No, I have not studied each and every case of corruption. But if you applied that standard, nobody could say anything on any topic.

The Party has allowed limited criticisms of Beijing policies, especially in economic matters, because it has had to. Why did it have to? The internet. But you have not seen challenges to the Communist Party’s right to rule in the press. Criticisms of food-on-subway bans is not especially indicative of a free press. Let’s not try to elevate some minor improvement from the Maoist era as a big deal, especially when the political system has become progressively more respressive since 2002.

]]> By: Brian http://pjmedia.com/blog/china-silences-the-muslim-world/#comment-349058 Brian Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:49:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=61364#comment-349058 Mr. Chang, once again you failed to cite the source for your position and your experiences which support it. I believe I have substancial first hand experience in China with regard to the culture. I admit I was not within the area of the riots, but western reporters were broadcasting from the region, they were not locked into hotels as they were in Iran. You CLAIM that all political prosecutions in China are the result of political infighting..... based upon WHAT? A gut feeling? That how liberals base there opinions, I prefer to base it on direct information. You ask whether I have seen critical reporting on Hu Jintao? Admittedly no. But I see little critical reporting on Obama as well on MSM.... is this a signal for media manipulation in the US as well? As for critical reporting on policies in Beijing? ABSOLUTELY! I have read many articles which were critical on policies within Beijing... for example they recently passed a law banned food on the subway... people were very unhappy with this and reporting did reflect this and it was reported in China Daily. Mr. Chang, once again you failed to cite the source for your position and your experiences which support it. I believe I have substancial first hand experience in China with regard to the culture. I admit I was not within the area of the riots, but western reporters were broadcasting from the region, they were not locked into hotels as they were in Iran.
You CLAIM that all political prosecutions in China are the result of political infighting….. based upon WHAT? A gut feeling? That how liberals base there opinions, I prefer to base it on direct information.

You ask whether I have seen critical reporting on Hu Jintao? Admittedly no. But I see little critical reporting on Obama as well on MSM…. is this a signal for media manipulation in the US as well? As for critical reporting on policies in Beijing? ABSOLUTELY! I have read many articles which were critical on policies within Beijing… for example they recently passed a law banned food on the subway… people were very unhappy with this and reporting did reflect this and it was reported in China Daily.

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