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China Sides with North Korea

Something is very wrong in Pyongyang — and in Beijing as well. Also read: Pentagon: North Korea Nuke Report Was Taken Out of Context

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Gordon G. Chang

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April 12, 2013 - 12:27 am
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“No one should be allowed to throw a region and even the whole world into chaos for selfish gains,” said President Xi Jinping on Sunday at a regional forum hosted by Beijing.

Immediately, global media interpreted the remarks as a rebuke of North Korea. The New York Times, for instance, called Xi’s words “an indirect but clear criticism of China’s longtime ally.”

Has Beijing finally made the switch from supporting Pyongyang to siding with the international community?

Most everyone thinks so. After all, who else could Xi have been referring to on Sunday?  The North Koreans in recent weeks repudiated the armistice that ended fighting in the Korean War, announced they were ready to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the United States, and talked almost daily in apocalyptic terms.

They also effectively closed the last cooperative project been the two Koreas and deployed two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on their mobile launchers, getting them into position for firing. No wonder White House spokesman Jay Carney welcomed the comments from China’s new leader.

Not so fast. On Monday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei refused to confirm that Xi had North Korea in mind when he uttered those words.

And the following day, People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s flagship publication, issued a stinging commentary, leaving no doubt who Xi thought was the culprit.

“Some country has spent hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars creating a situation that cannot be resolved and has eventually withdrawn in a disorganized manner at the same time causing a financial crisis in its own country,” stated a commentary titled “Who Has the Intention to Create Chaos for the World for Selfish Gain?” “Look back on the world’s security situation to the beginning of the new century. There are many ‘hot spots’ and ‘chaotic spots.’  The first of them are Afghanistan and Iraq.”

The People’s Daily commentary not only clarifies Mr. Xi’s intent, it also puts the movement of Chinese forces on the border with North Korea in an ominous light. Since the middle of last month, the People’s Liberation Army has been mobilizing troops, planes, and ships there. The border forces once were — and may now still be — at the highest state of alert. There are also reports of Chinese live-fire drills in the area.

Analysts have assumed that the Chinese mobilization was intended to intimidate the North Koreans, but, in light of Xi Jinping’s comments on Sunday, perhaps the military movements are a warning to America and South Korea instead.

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He said, He said, He said...But he didn't "do" anything!
I say give Japan Nukes that they re in control of; and station short range/tactical Nukes in So Korea. To hell with China, they will get picture soon enough.
End aid to Pakistan and vociferously support India.
End aid to the PLO and arm Israel to the teeth!!
Shun the Saudi embassy from White House visits and start drilling on all public lands with recoverable energy resources.

See, Foreign Policy is easy Peasy!!!

No one can seriously challenge us militarily, that is a fact!
Western civilization has been emasculating itself in the eyes of the world, and prostrating itself at the feet of Islam. That needs to change. We are the only country that can buck-up the greatness of the English speaking peoples.

Margaret and Ronnie did a "swell" job of it. It is time for a reboot!!
1 year ago
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Anyone who thinks China is a friend and is not interested in world domination, need a refresher course in history. Over the years China has stated time and again that the barbarians(the West) must be defeated in order to be saved from themselves. Now China has three puppets to do its bidding - North Korea, Iran, and Putin's Russia. Yep, one may disagree; yet the Chinese communist manifesto of the seventies stated that China would do whatever it cost to gain the tech to destroy the US. It would lie, cheat, steal, and buy everything it needed to reach a level of tech and military prowess equal to or better than that of the US. Well folks, that day has arrived. And China doesn't even have to waste one man, one rifle, one tank, one ship, or one plane. It has three other slobbering puppets willing to do its bidding.

Since Sun Tzu was Chinese, it might be a good idea to review his writings because the political power of the Chinese military is on the rise.
1 year ago
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The communist hard liners always look first to blame America, no matter how ridiculous the logic behind the slander.

Now, enough about our media.

Where's Anita Dunn when we need someone to interpret Red China's good intentions and to lead White House communism...er...communications?

Maybe Tom Friedman can tell us how we can be more like China for a day. Maybe we can amass troops along our borders in order to prevent border crashing.

Norkies may be quirky and they can feign being real spunky, but in the end, they are just China's flunkies. Not a chance they would jab a thumb in the eye of their communist master.

Neither would Obama.

And speaking of flunkies, doesn't it just fill you to the brim with confidence now that Hagel and Kerry are running "our big fat Greek tragedy"?

"Put some Windex... and wear Spandex". We're in the very best of hands.
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this would be a nasty war.
"the plan" called for 50k american troops in sk and the plan said that wouldnt be enough. they were expected to be slow the attack before being wiped out. we have 28k troops there.
"the plan" said the marine division in japan would amphib land in one piece and hold out for 30 days. the marine corps expects close to 100% casualties in this division. due to cuts we can no longer move the division in one piece, that cuts the 30 days down substantially.
"the plan" said as soon as tensions rose before a war we would begin to move troops to sk in a buildup. the buildup hasnt started yet. we cut our sea and air transport levels so far that its doubtful we can get enough there quick enough.

we find 2-3 nk tunnels large enough for tanks every year going under the dmz. i bet we didnt find all the tunnels.

the war would start with commando raids on airfields and missile assaults on guam. runways are easily repaired but take a day or two. a day or two without air supremacy would be a severe blow to america. at the dmz 20,000 tubes of artillery would open fire. the units along the dmz would be shredded. nk would launch massive armored columns into sk bypassing the shredded units, they will be mopped up in later waves. seoul is 35km from the border. it will fall.

that leaves the bulk of american forces and sk forces south of seoul. the un wont get involved, china or russia would veto it. japan is very questionable and who can blame them. they live next to china and have been nuked before. they have a phobia about it and who can blame them. its doubtful even australia would want to get involved. nato will talk but thats it, by the time they finish talking the war will be all but over (one way or another).

if nk wipes out those american troops in sk (or wipes them out and the marine division out as well) before substantial troops arrive ... its over. nk wins. america doesnt have the sack or the horses to amphib land in force and fight on.
if those troops hold on and reinforcements get there in time then the balance of power will slowly but surely shift to america. once america has air supremacy or air dominance it will never lose control of the skies again.
however, if america starts to win then count on china stepping in and forcing a return to the status quo war. no way will china permit america to occupy nk.

a few wild cards ...
1: nukes. its possible nk has a nuke in a cargo container ship on its way to america right now. to blow it in LA port. or smuggled in via iran into the pakistani embassy in washington dc. or via irans connections with terrorists who have connections with narco groups that smuggle significant quantities of drugs into america. its also possible they hit a carrier group or japan. one can never tell.
2: iran. its possible iran mobilizes in the ME which leaves america vastly upderstrengthed in both regions without enough resources to protect both. oil or an ally?
3: carrier groups. china has sunk the carrier in the last few exercises. want to bet they didnt keep how a secret? one carrier group lost and america is crippled.
4: the american people. can never tell. sometimes you scratch them and find steel under their skin. sometimes its butter. personally i dont think america is ready for 25-100,000 casualties in a week or two. i dont think america is prepared to risk that many casualties for anything. as soon as we begin losing troops count on the anti war lobby to become very large and vocal. "its not worth it" they will cry.
5: the president. i dont think this president has the backbone to stand up to nk, much less china. i think he would accept the easiest way out if it all goes bad as long as he has a fig leaf to hide behind.
6: china. i wonder what happens if china starts dropping masses of t-bills on the market at the start of a war. ecb and feds would start buying to prop up dollar but ... what if china kept dumping? sooner or later ecb and feds dont have money to buy them. that crashes the economy.

anyone screaming this is going to be an easy war is woefully uniformed. i realize alot of what i say is going to anger people. the truth sometimes does. im a former marine and call it like i see it.
1 year ago
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People have laughed and scoffed time after time when I've said that China is backing the Norks in this. Now we know. Who was right?

China wants all of Asia and the Norks are their stalking horse.
1 year ago
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North Korea is stupid for doing this. If China supports them, then China is even more stupid. China has nothing to gain and everything to lose from this conflict. War with the United States means we finally get to demonstrate what Seawolf-class attack subs are capable of, and the Chinese Navy and Merchant Marine will learn quickly how much they have to fear from our submarines.
1 year ago
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cincpac says china's navy isnt able to expand force outwards. however, when talking about taiwan he made the point that china's navy is built in such a way that it, combined with land based rockets/missiles and aircraft CAN deny the way to america's navy. he wasnt sure that it would even be possible to break through, much less he wasnt sure if it would worth it after the casualties we would sustain.

in any war like this china doesnt need to expand out. it can just protect its coasts. it can deny america the korean coasts.
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Has anybody mentioned that it was Clinton that GAVE China much needed help with their missile program? and that HE gave them Favored Nation status so they could raid our manufacturing sector? Yes Nixon opened the door and with very sound reasons and restrictions. Clinton removed them all and got campaign donations and nobody remembers. He bought no good feelings, China continues to oppose the Free World at every turn and crisis. Way to go Bill, can't wait for Hillery to get her hands on the White House.
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"the international community". What a laff. How can anyone at pjmedia use this term without irony?
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Gordy, I did some checking. Whatever else might be true about these puffed-up contretemps by Kim III, He most certainly does NOT possess Intercontinental Ballistic Missile capability.

It gets mighty technical here but it seems the rocket scientists who have weighed in on the subject consider the KN-08 missile to actually consist of a series of badly-made mockups rolled out for Kim I's centenary parade last year. He may be working on a REAL KN-08 but it's years away and given the pitiful state of his economy it looks ever less likely that any future breakthroughs are in the offing.

I'm wondering if anyone in this venue knows of any good sources for the Norks actual military capabilities. I have been suspecting for years that the once-formidable "million-man army" is in nearly as pitiful a state as their agriculture. It takes a whole lot of resources and money to properly maintain a powerful military. When was the last time you ever heard of the Nork military carrying out the massive combined-arms exercises (so demanding of fuel and spare parts) necessary to keep the machine honed? Nay, I think they have rusted in place. Furthermore, your average Nork soldiers, sergeants and junior lieutenants were born when the USSR fell and the famine era began. We have long heard of how the Norks are a head shorter than their Southern kinsmen...

My personal theory is that, conspiracy theories about "misdirection" on the part of the Axis of Evil aside, Kim's entire system is about to finally collapse about him and he is desperate to have the U.S. come bearing tribute. As the usual trick to squeeze largesse out of America is to beat the war tom-tom in a big way--he's going whole hog while he still can. He no doubt has been given a pretty good briefing regarding the Great Obama's courage and resolve. The Chinese have been propping up the Kims for years MAINLY because they have long been terrified of a wave of millions of North Korean refugees swarming their borders after they go down. So they are pretending to back him up.

I think that Obama has been sending his Wise Men to Korea to make grim-faced reports to properly set us up for a new round of "talks" to be followed by a new round of "aid". Meanwhile, he's got another issue to distract us from the economy...
1 year ago
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China also enjoys having a pawn to send out and shake things up.Better to send out a satisfied junkie and preserve your own peaceful facade.
1 year ago
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Technology isn't North Korea's only weakness. According to some accounts I've read, the average North Korean soldier is HUNGRY and malnourished. The generals are eating fine but there are a lot fewer of them. How well would the average North Korean soldier fight while hungry and under hostile fire? How many would keep fighting? How many would simply head for the hills at the first opportunity or even turn their weapons on their commanders?
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in the last war the first waves came without weapons. the marines shot them. the race began. did the marines run out of ammo before the north koreans ran out of bodies? the final waves that came were well equiped and well trained. i remember hearing stories from people who were there. the marine corps has an institutional memory.
1 year ago
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You underestimate the power of a lifetime of propoganda. Look at our own leftist mess. How many of them will give up on their ideology even when it had clearly and unequivocably failed? Sure, they're starving and their lives are horrific, but they've also been told forever that WE are the reason for that.
1 year ago
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How hard would you fight if you knew the food supply for your enemy was only one battle away? Raping and pillaging are not arts of the past.
1 year ago
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Yeah. That's what we thought they'd do in 1950. All of those poor, starving communist soldiers, trying to surrender to US and UN troops, nearly pushed us into the sea before we got lucky...

Then, after we had them on the run, we got cocky, again, and the Chinese kicked our butts outta North Korea.

This time, they've got nukes, a million men on active duty, and eight million men in their national guard and reserves.

We've got thirty-five thousaand troops to stop them with and multiple units scattered around the globe being shot at, from Africa to South West Asia. That doesn't include our naval committments.
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i agree. i think america is stretched too thin. we have a period of time between the start of a war and the arrival of sea transported reinforcements (air transport can only bring light infantry which is useless against heavy armor) that is critical. if those troops cant hold on and if sk is overrun ... then its over. america doesnt have the power or resources anymore to drop enough troops into an amphib assault. i am pessimistic that the troops we have can hold off the assault. more, im not sure if america has the backbone anymore to stick to its committments and fight - and pay the price. i think america will shirk from the butchers bill. i suspect if it starts and its obvious we cant hold on that we try to forge a peace to get our troops out and we toss sk under the bus.
1 year ago
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Soo Nork threatens us with a nuclear attack and now China takes their side. Does that mean we can strip China's MFN and have an embargo on importing their goods? It would if we had something like "leadership" in Washington.
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Not just leadership, but leadership with 'nads and leadership that everyone else in the world thought was really serious.
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yeah. we have prostituted our morals and strategic power to china in exchange for cheap cell phones and sweat shop made clothing.
1 year ago
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This is an EASY fix.. Stop paying China and importing their goods ... They will fall all by themselves.. North Korea will look like a Burnt Marshmello if they can manage to find dry matches to light the missle they have been threatening to use since 1953... With those two " Clown regimes" gone Russia will turn tail and run ... Too bad Obama lacks the brains to figure this out ...

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until china starts flooding the market with american t-bills. the fed reserve and ecb would start buying to prop it up. but if the flood continued they wouldnt be able to keep it up. the dollar would drop like a rock. he wouldnt be able to borrow money. we couldnt pay the unemployment checks or social security checks. we would be hit with a war, economic melt down, and domestic unrest all at the same time.

america put itself into a really bad position through bad leadership. not just obama, but also bush, clinton, and bush sr.
1 year ago
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It's Bush's fault, and the sequester. The sequester killed the military, now we must appease.
1 year ago
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And don't forget Hurricanes, Earthquakes, ATMs and Mitt Romney.
1 year ago
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And the Tea Party Repubs in the House. It must be their fault, too, because they always say "no" to everything. No matter what, it will never be Obama's ineptness that helped get us here, nor will it be a failure of the leftist notions of diplomacy.
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YOU TUBE COPY OF OBAMA GANGMAN STYLE

YESTERDAY 4700 AMERICAN BABIES HAD THEIR HEADS CUT OFF. TODAY ANOTHER 4700 BABIES WILL DIE. WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THE DEATH OF 20 KIDS WHEN IN 3 DAYS AMERICAN MOTHERS AND FATHERS WILL KILL 14,100 BABIES ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS NOT PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS HAVE BEEN PRO CHOICE? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. A COUNTRY THAT CAN KILL THE CHILD IN THE WOMB CAN KILL THE CHILD AT ANY AGE. DEER HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL BY REGULATION. WHY NOT TREAT AMERICAN CHILDREN LIKE KITTENS? FREE TO A GOOD HOME.

DID BEYONCE AND JAYZEE BRING ELIAN GONZALEZ BACK WITH THEM? DID THEY ASK CASTRO TO GIVE ELIAN A PERMIT TO GO SEE HIS RELATIVES IN MIAMI? WHEN THE COMMUNISTS IN THE US GOVERNMENT PUSH FOR OPEN VISITATION TO LENIN LAND WILL THEY INSIST THAT ALL AMERICANS BE ALLOWED TO GO TO CUBA OR JUST THE COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZERS? IF ANDY GARCIA IS DENIED A VISA SHOULD WE SAY ALL AMERICANS CAN GO OR NO ONE GOES? WILL THE DRUGS IN CUBA BE CHEAPER THAN IN MEXICO? ELIAN GONZALEZ WAS CLINTON'S GIFT TO FIDEL CASTRO IN EXCHANGE FOR FUTURE FAVORS. THE DEMO COMMOS WERE ALL IN ON IT.
FROM JUDGES TO SENATORS LIKE HEINRICH SCHUMER WHO DID THE DIRTY COVER UP.

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Abortion is murder and darkens all our souls,and that includes the bystanders!
Jane Fonda briefly back in the spotlight,and how they welcomed her,and sat beside her on TV.The praise she received about how good she looked,she wears her disgrace all over the place but should really just go away!
1 year ago
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Please stop shouting at us.

If you're not shouting, then please turn off your Caps Lock key.
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