Chill Out About the DHS ‘Right-Wing Extremist’ Memo
The threat of right-wing extremism is not an imaginary threat, dreamt up in the minds of Democratic Party mullahs seeking to silence their critics. In December, a murdered right-wing extremist, said to be infuriated by President Obama’s election victory, was found to have acquired components for a “dirty bomb.” Prior to that, two skinheads were arrested before acting on their plan to kill President Obama and go on a killing spree that would take the lives of 88 people, including 14 African-Americans who would be beheaded. In July 2005, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported that about 60 right-wing extremist terrorist plots had been foiled since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The memo is correct in warning that the current political and economic environment could result in an increase in such activity.
Critics of the memo are quick to pounce on the fact that it states that there is no specific intelligence about the plotting of terrorist attacks by right-wing extremists at the moment. Such extremists do not pose the threat that al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, or Jamaat ul-Fuqra does, but we cannot neglect tomorrow’s threats while we face today’s. Pointing out that there is another group of extremists that exists, members of which have carried out attacks in the past (Timothy McVeigh is a case in point), and that this group may mobilize into action due to economic or political conditions is not an act of bias; it’s an act of responsibility.
It is also important to note that right-wing extremism is on the rise in Europe, providing extremists based in America with potential allies. In 2008, there were 13,986 acts of crime by right-wing extremists in Germany, a 28% increase over 2007. Violent incidents also increased from 642 in 2007 to 735 in 2008. There is rising concern throughout Europe about the activity of right-wing radicalism, which ironically targets both Jews and Muslims.
The rise in right-wing extremism in Europe is said by some to be facilitated by rapid changes in culture and demography, largely due to massive immigration. The U.S. is likewise changing quickly, due to the huge growth in Hispanics, Muslims, and African-Americans, and the authorities are right to be on guard in case some respond with hatred and violence. The memo specifically mentions that civil rights organizations are finding an increase in crimes against Hispanics and provides examples of right-wing extremists suspected of planning violent attacks on Hispanics and immigrants crossing the border.
Yes, it’s ridiculous that Napolitano and other high-level officials in the Obama administration are cleansing their vocabularies of terms like “Islamic extremist,” yet willingly use the term “right-wing/left-wing extremist.” However, by the same token, it is equally ridiculous to condemn the use of the latter term and not the former.
We let Muslims invade us legally with our insane immigration laws.
People who by their Islamic texts are OBLIGATED to overthrow our Constition and impose Sharia law upon us and the world by any means available.
That means ultimately, when they have the power as stated in rhe Hadith by Mohammad, they are to either convert us, kill us, enslave us, or subjugate us. All of this by the immmutable word of some deity they call “Allah.
Yet Mauro states:
“The U.S. is likewise changing quickly, due to the huge growth in Hispanics, Muslims, and African-Americans, and the authorities are right to be on guard in case some respond with hatred and violence.”
Has this nitwit ever read the Islamic texts? NO.
So Mauro is glad we are becoming a third world country and we need DHS to protect this process.
As for his BS on right wing threats I’ll let the other posters handle that but I find it disgaceful for this site to publish such mindless nonsense.
Radical right-wing extremism is definitely a threat. I have long predicted that the not so subtle anti-white racist attacks by Barack Obama and the leftist establishment unintentionally helps to empower David Duke and his vile allies. Racial harmony was set back at least twenty years in the United States by his election. Nonetheless, Janet Napolitano’s rhetoric is meant to focus attention almost exclusively on these legitimate threats to the exclusion of all others, especially those of the darker skinned Muslim militants. Make no mistake bout it—she is directly attacking all Republican conservatives. It is also my guess that the Islamic radicals are at least a hundred times more dangerous than the white right-wing crazies. In other words, Ms. Napolitano needs to straighten out her priorities. At this moment, she is behaving like a Democratic Party propagandist and not the boss of Homeland Security.
European elites are so obsessed with political correctness that they fear to acknowledge that the greatest threat to Jews in Europe is Islamic extremism (not the smaller indigenous extremist movements that this article highlights); the EU even suppressed a study that came up with politically incorrect results about Islamic extremism being the main threat to Jews. Likewise, those elites refuse to acknowledge the specific attacks by Islamic extremists on indigenous Europeans or the increasing cultural imperialism of immigrants against Europeans, which threatens to destroy European culture, European democracy, and European civilization itself.
Regarding Homeland Security’s smear against Americans with mainstream conservative views (opposition to abortion, mass illegal immigration, race quotas, out-of-control govt. spending, etc.), it is all about the Obama administration’s desire to criminalize dissent. The leftist establishment is simply seeking to use government power to silence tens of millions of mainstream Americans who disagree with the hard leftist agenda of the Obama administration. Shame on you for being a fellow-traveler or useful idiot.
So “skinheads” are “Right Wing Extremists”, eh? Right Wing == Racist?
It would be nice if the author (or anyone) would list the definining characteristics of “Right Wing Extremists”, and then explain exactly which of these characteristics make them “Right Wing”.
The Left believes in more government. So an extreme leftist believes in the maximum government possible, ie Communism.
The Right believes in less government. So an extreme rightest would believe in the least government possible, ie The Watchman State or similar.
So, which extreme ‘wing’ is the furthest from, say, a Hitler, a Pol Pot, a Mussolini, or a Saddam? – all regime leaders ‘traditionally’ characterized as Right Wing.
My question is how some of the views described are “rightwing” as described?
Which group is most concerned about losing manufacturing and construction jobs due to immigration, trade agreements (which the Obama administration doesn’t support anyways) and jobs moving overseas? Could it be unions? When did they become rightwing?
When did hating Jews, blacks and Hispanics become rightwing? The Republican party is the party that supports Israel. George Wallace, Orval Faubus and Robert Byrd all recanted later but were never rightwing. Again, DHS knows of no specific threats but speculates that immigrants may be in danger from people afraid of losing their jobs, which is a fear constantly stoked by unions.
This line in the rightwing report troubles me:
“DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing
extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”
Seriously? If that’s all we have to worry about just stay out of Pennsylvania, Idaho, Texas and Oklahoma and away from abortion clinics and everything will be fine!
The definitions are also instructive:
“DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines leftwing extremists as
groups or individuals who embrace radical elements of the anarchist, animal rights, or
environmental movements and are often willing to violate the law to achieve their
objectives.”
“Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
So the right is the party of veterans, anger, hate, racism and violence and the left is the party that loves animals and mother earth but hates corporate America and is willing to do a little computer hacking to support their cause. Not exactly fair and balanced. Makes for a nice little bit of equivocating on Mr. Mauro’s part though.
If indeed this was a memo about which we should chill out because it was a sensible and wise proposition in the context of today’s dilemmas…
…then I believe someone knowledgeable in word-smithery within the process would have said, “In order to be taken seriously, we need to talk about the potential for misunderstanding and check out what we’re really saying so that we don’t end up hurting our legitimate concerns in the long run…”
…then I believe that Jan would have very quickly responded to initial reactions and said, “The people responsible for the language have been instructed to rework it consistent with our actual intentions.”
…then I believe than the White House occupant would not have sidestepped his involvement
Sorry. As far as I’m concerned, once again the White House occupant and his hirelings accidentally did one of two things: they either accidentally spoke more of the truth than they intended to, or they accidentally (apparently this is going to be an ongoing possibility??) had insufficient, incompetent staff work leading up to a public event or communication.
Somebody, somewhere is going to have eventually make up their minds about these people: either they are extremely deliberative and smarter than all the rest of us put together or they are extremely ignorant and incompetent.
For the time being, they are still allowed to have it both ways, I guess. How convenient.
So Mr. Munro, how do you define “right wing extremist?” Just what the hell does that mean? You certainly have your labels and stereotypes for those on the conservative part of the spectrum. “… Their quick and efficient drawing of arms,” “… emphasis on recruiting those with military backgrounds and the deadly effect of only a few being willing to join,” “The Drudge siren …” sure seems to paint a pretty clear picture of your views.
The point you are missing is the timing of this memo being released. Just in time for the April 15 Tax day Tea Parties. And that is “tea parties” not the so-called “tea bagging” that libs like to banty around! And the fact that “the other half” of US citizens take umbrage at the DHS doing this as evidence of the adminstrations’ partisan attempts at threatening peaceful assembly and freedom of speech by concerned citizens about the direction of our country, economy, and government.
So make your cheap characterizations of the right and “… Their quick and efficient drawing of arms.” I for one will keep speaking out, will ignore your stereotypes, and keep my powder dry! God Bless America.
One point: Those that Europe calls “right wing extremists” are actually politically on the left. While I’m sure there are people on the right that have extreme views, they are not the neo-Nazis and skinheads that Europe talks about.
The report was started during President Bush’s time in office. It was a report not a memo. The information contained within was only worth a memo. After reading it, I think the report seemed rushed and sloppy and the timing of its release was suspicious. If they had taken a week and worked the wording a bit better they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble.
There is a group of people who want to take control of every bit of the individual’s life, from how much money they make to what they are allowed to say about the POTUS (Democrats/Liberals).
Then there is a group of people who want to be allowed to keep the money they earn and basically want to be left alone to live their lives like responsible adults (Republicans/Conservatives).
Who are the extremists again?
Mr Munro, it seems like you missed the point of what we’re so riled about. Obviously, right-wing extremism DOES exist. McVeigh, Waco, & Ruby Ridge are the most famous examples. And I haven’t seen anyone claim that right-wing extremism doesn’t exist or might not be a problem. What I object to is the structure and thought process underlying the memo.
Extremists can be either hate groups (accurate) or they are individuals who reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or reject all government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
We should “chill out’ about being labeled extremists for exercising freedom of thought, conscience & speech? Why? National security laws specify that citizens should not be singled out for surveillance based on their exercise of First Amendment Rights, yet that is exactly what Ms. Neapolitano’s memos instructs law enforcement agents to do. If you want us to “chill” about this memo, when do YOU think it’s appropriate for us to start getting upset?
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally someone who doesn’t suffer from the “oh, the poor conservatives are picked on” syndrome and actually could read and understand the DHS memo. The next wave of violence in this country WILL be from the extreme right. As long as conservatives keep ignoring and denying this the power of the nuts will grow. It’s time that “conservatives” grow up and stop whining when issues in their ranks are pointed out. There was NO attack on conservatives, Christians, pro-life or pro-gun ownership people in that report. How is it that the words “some” and “may” are read as “all” and “will”. Basic English lessons could perhaps help those who struggle with comprehension and thus feel they are under attack every time someone rightly points out very real threats. You focus only on the Islamic fanatics at the peril of this country. Wake up and stop being so arrogant.
Did I wake up and mistakenly click on DailyKos?
What is this troll-ish apologia doing on PJM?!
Ryan Mauro acceptance of Secretary Napolitano’s definition of Right Wing Extremist is troubling to say the least-including his use of “The Extremist in Europe”. Opposing-Peacefully and Legally- the Social Democrats in Europe and the Progressive/Socialist in America is the new definition of “can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented”. Yes good Mr. Mauro David Axelrod and the talking heads considers the Tea Parties such a group. Their warning of “single issue voters” third party advocates and persons concerned with the first and second Amendments hate-oriented.
Talk radio is hate-oriented if it opposes the Left, Bloggs are hate-oriented if they oppose the Left. I was first designated hate-oriented in high school for supporting Barry Goldwater.
During the Presidency of George Bush we saw hundreds, if not thousands, of signs and calls for his death-but that was protected political speech. Put a Ron Paul or Pro Life bumper sticker on the car and you are hate-oriented. The Left is trying to make opposition a crime. With the McCain-Feingold and Patriot Act they just might get away with it. Chill out? I think not.
“The memo specifically mentions that civil rights organizations are finding an increase in crimes against Hispanics and provides examples of right-wing extremists suspected of planning violent attacks on Hispanics and immigrants crossing the border.”
Uh huh.
“In 2001, an estimated 2.7% of adults in the U.S. had served time in prison, up from 1.8% in 1991 and 1.3% in 1974.”
“The prevalence of imprisonment in 2001 was higher for
– black males (16.6%) and Hispanic males (7.7%) than for white males (2.6%)”
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm
As far as crime goes, the problem is Hispanics committing crimes (including crimes against other Hispanics) not imaginary “right-wing” non-Hispanics committing crimes against Hispanics.
WhyamInotsurprizsed:
Your second to last line is ironic – as it is the very stereotype you are complaining about
As others above have noted, this is another example of the far left screaming “racist” to silence legitimate debate. I can assure Mr. Mauro that should any true “right-wing extremist” act of lunacy take place (once we’ve actually defined what that is), the posters here will not be cheering it on or become apologists for it. He’ll have to tune in to the Daily Kos for that…
Based on people I run into, DHS is going to be proven correct as time goes by. Every day this Administration says or does something, pushing guys like me closer to the brink.
Live FREE or die!
The real concern is actually the opposite–that we will allow our freedoms to be destroyed without doing anything more than posting comments on sites like these and showing up at a demonstration once a year.
Excellent comments all.
I’d just like to riff on something Brother Whyaminotsurprised brought up, just sharpen the point a bit further:
Does DHS use one definition of “extremist” for 0nly one one set of potential “terrorists” (and odd, is it not, how the term “terrorist” seems only applied to what is broadly called “Right-Wing” or “Conservative”, while it is proscribed to label Muslims or “Left-Wing” goups as such)?
When does “extremism” start being a thing that DHS monitors?
There are people who politically hold that other people should not smoke, and have used the Obama Administration to punitively tax the exercise of a perfectly legal habit…is this not “extremist” also?
There are people who politically hold that any 4 wheel drive vehicle capable of operating on rough terrain or unplowed snow-covered streets are “bad”, and are quite willing to punitively tax those who do not live in metropolitan areas…is this not “extremist”?
And lastly, the Obama Administration is giving aid and comfort, to the tune of 900 million dollars), to an organization, Hamas, that has LONG been on the federal government’s OWN LIST of terrorist organizations.
If DHS is TRULY worried about “extremism” and “terrorism”, then they should send a few agents around to arrest and question the alleged Hawaiian who occupies what is known as the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC.
OK – I’ll bite, NAME ONE! Name one American “right wing extremist” who has committed a terrorist act in the name of their beliefs. I can name LOTS of left wing terrorists, lots of Islamic terrorists (all who kill and destroy in the name of their cause – and who still are supported for their beliefs if not their methods by like minded people) Name for me one right wing counterpart. People throw around the name “Timothy Mcvay” but he was a simple loon. He was not “right wing” He had no cause and received no support from anyone on the right.
How the heck do you get “right wing” from skin heads? They are neo Nazis and (just in case you have forgotten) Nazi is the German National Socialist Party.
So please – name one pro limited government, pro individual liberty, domestic terrorist.
Here is a hint. There aren’t any. The left defines “dangerous” as anyone who actively and successfully disagrees with them.
It is easier to understand when you realize that they also define threatening to put a bug in a cell with someone who has admitted to severing the head from innocents (without actually putting the bug in the cage) as torture.
From the perspective of our leftie friends – anything that disagrees with the “left wing” world view isn’t just “incorrect” it is evil. It is torture, terrorism, Nazi whatever. They are incapable of logically examining perspectives other than their own.
How can they claim people are racist who disagree with Obama.His mother was white.These same people who call us racist turn around and say Obama is eligible to be President because his mother was a natural born citizen and his father’s place of birth does not matter.This is the typical ploy of obots.Obama is a Bogus Potus.
I think the other commenters are misinterpreting where Mr. Mauro is coming from. He’s a security researcher. He probably considers himself mostly nonpartisan but usually prefers the right due to a more realistic view of threats and a preference for Christian morals. His profession is concerned with enforcing security, not freedom. No alarmist description of potenially violent opposition is too much, no matter who it is (except inasmuch as it may detract from proper prioritization of other threats). What my friend the Geek with a .45 characterizes as the “dark and creepy authoritarian” part of the Right.
I’d guess he’s not too happy with the ideals of the tea party movement. Such American ideas as “Live free or die; Death is not the worst of evils” and “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” are in opposition to the most obvious means of providing safety and security: surveillance and control.
In my view, that just replaces the historically tiny threat of terrorism & crime with the historically enormous threat of statism.
The libertarian Right ARE probably the greatest threat to the authoritarian Right, as we intend to reduce their funding and powers over US citizens. Further, we express it in 1776 terms, which is the ultimate nightmare for a security guy.
Give me liberty or give me death!
I’d just like to second everything #1-#6 said. I’m particularly glad that everyone is keying-in on the “everyone knows” sort of undefined definition of the phrase “right wing extremism”. I’m also heartened to notice that I’m not alone in seeing the contradistinction of the leftists’ peaceful “cyber terrorism” versus the hypothetical violence of the rightists.
I disagree on two points. I have read the memo.
1. The memo is all fluff and no fact, relying on blanket characterizations and innuendo to insinuate its message. It does not cite the recent incidents as examples but refers to McVeigh as a proxy for all returning veterans and incidents dating back to the 60s (Weathermen and Black Panthers, ironically) as models of threats.
2. It is both wrong and dangerous to associate genuine hate groups such as racists and neo-Nazis with the legitimate conservative movements known also as “right wing”. There is no connection whatsoever between the Constitution-loving, freedom loving, patriots who make up what most people call the “right wing” and these deranged anarchists and totalitarians. Indeed, as recent historical works have shown, totalitarianism of any kind is a blood relative to the modern American Left.
It’s telling when the Comments are more incisive and substantive than the article of the Pajamas Media Contributor.
It’s unfortunate that Ryan Mauro does not recognize left wing propaganda when he is tripping over it.
His inability to grasp the biased dynamic of public discourse in America is neatly revealed in the quote below, where he attacks those who are responding to being verbally attacked by their government.
The Drudge siren blared when the Washington Times report was published and within hours there was a mad dash by TV and radio hosts, blogs, and commentators to use the report to take aim at the Obama administration.
In the real world however it’s conservatives like Coulter and Tancredo and Tea Party Protesters who are disrupted and sometimes physically attacked when they try to exercise their Constitutional Right to speak.
Mr. Mauro like the DHS doesn’t seem to understand that there is no right wing and no left wing extremism. There is only those who want to be free individuals and those who would take that freedom away. How, Mr. Mauro, can a neo-Nazi be the right wing, and the Socialists be the left wing, when both are socialists…totalitarians…Marxists, fascists, who want to be in charge when the state takes control of the people, property and production? Don’t you know that Nazi stands for the National Socialism? Our Armed Forces presently number about 1.5 million, and this doesn’t include those who have served and chose not to re-up, and DHS is worried about a whole 203 returning servicemen? What? No women? Is the DHS discriminating? Horrors. Do the DHS reports include the names of the “left wing” extremists in the current administration, like Napolitano? Anyone who want to take away our individual freedom is an extremist. So, Mr. Mauro we don’t want anyone directing our lives in the name of the “greater good”, which, for the neophytes, just means the preservation of the state and the elite running it and our lives. We do not want Barack Obama and his Marxist “spread the wealth nonsense, which is just stealing money from those who produce to those who will not. Capitalism has created more prosperity than any other system in history, and capitalism and freedom are what we want. So either get your labels sorted out, or…chill out
The DHS report reads like typical leftist projection hypocrisy. “Be Tolerant or we will destroy you” is the message here. The mindset that produced this travesty is prelude to a police state.
Mr Mauro needs to spend some time coming to understand the First Amendment and why the Founders thought it so vitally necessary that they take steps to protect the people from thought police.
Where all the uproar about profiling now? What hypocrites!
April 20, 2009 Posted by Paul at 8:34 AM
Here, Mr Mauro, from Power Line is the most serious threat to the United States. Jeb Babbin reports that “White House lawyers are refusing to accept the findings of an inter-agency committee that the Uighur Chinese Muslims held at Guantanamo Bay are too dangerous to release inside the U.S.
I’m guessing you voted for him.
I guess that my question would be what happens when those darlings of the left like Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaida link up with skinheads and Nazis here in the US? (it’s only a matter of time)Might be a conundrum for the lefties running our government. Although, they will probably do what Clinton did with McVeigh and the possibility of his receiving help from the Saddam regime, just cover it up.
I find it very interesting that a lot of the language found in the report was also used by many in congress and the media to describe the tea-parties and the attendees. It seems to me that there is a “vast left-wing conspiracy” at work that sends out the talking points to all of these pundits and legislators. Now we know where the talking points come from, our own Department of Homeland security.
Whenever I read about the European “right-wing” being compared to American conservatives, I know the author is an uninformed ass.
The European right is about different big government. The National Socialists were not small government conservatives.
As for the American government fearing The People, good – they should fear us.
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
Thomas Jefferson
Actually, the DHS memo was a very broad summary of already known information, fairly boilerplate in its presentation. They just copy/pasted it up.
There’s all types of extremists – it was just a little funny how the report came out on exact same day as the tea parties.
In looking the left wing/right wing definitions, the right wing definition is very broad. Left wing extremism is comprised of “radical elements”. There is no similar qualification on the right wing side. That definition just says extremists could be ANYONE who supports Federalism.
TO: Ryan Mauro[on]
RE: Try….
….not to be a total maroon.
The ‘Right-Wing Extremist’ meme is the same boogie-man the Clintons trotted out in an effort to squelch protest against their [mis]administration.
The risk assessment of it is not nearly as great as that of the islamo-terrorists, which now the Obama administration apparently feels is no threat at all. Not to forget the enviro-terrorists who have perpetrated a number of attacks over recent years. And even though the bozos at DHS DID research the ‘left-wing extremists’, only the ‘right-wing extremists’ got the whoopla in the media and just before a major, nation-wide ‘right-wing’ event.
Then there’s the broad brush with which the administration painted the ‘potential’ right-wing extremist. Just about anyone who served in the military. Anyone who believed in states-rights. Anyone who opposed abortion on demand as mandated by Roe v. Wade. Anyone who didn’t like taxation.
If the administration thinks that ALL THOSE PEOPLE are potential terrorists, NO WONDER THEIR SO BLOODY PARANOID! They see enemies in their closets, under their beds and in their refrigerators. They remind me of Kim Carnes hit, Crazy In the Night. The problem is that unlike the person in the song, THESE PEOPLE HAVE the FBI, NSA, and the proposed Civilian Security Force, which is to be hoped to be as well funded and equipped as the US Military.
So, am I an ‘enemy of the state’?
Considering I’m a retired infantry officer who is airborne-ranger qualified, believe in states-rights, a tight interpretation of the Constitution of the United States, etc., etc., etc……I guess in the eyes of DHS ‘confidence is high’. This despite the fact….or more likely….BECAUSE OF THE FACT that in 1970, I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL ENEMIES, foreign AND domestic. And people who would overthrow it by subourning it via the ‘Law’ could well be REAL enemies of the Constitution.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. -- Abraham Lincoln]
This is just stupid. Focusing on vets and the like while ignoring the islamic threat? Typical dhimmi obama. There are enclaves of muslims training with weapons in this country and they choose to focus on this? And peopls thought Bush was ushering in 1984, who would have guessed the one screaming about it are the ones implementing it.
Nice mentioning “Attacks”in europe by so called right wingers yet nothing about the lefties kidnapping ceos, burning town, and torching cars while striking vs the government. But by all means lets focus on the single bee floating arround our picnic basket and ignore the hornets nest right ubove our heads, this guy is worse than Navarret (sp). PJM must be desparate for article to publish this guy.
Your premise might be more reasonable if the media weren’t in the habit of portraying all conservatives are rightwing extremists. You’re just making it easier for them to keep doing it.
“even though the memo does not say that all veterans, or even a significant fraction, are expected to join extremist groups.”
Well of course it doesn’t say “ALL” veterans, because after reading the report it is clear that only “White” veterans would be in danger of joining “white” supremist groups. DUH
So this report makes it clear to law inforcement to watch out for “white, Christian” rednecks who cling to their guns and Bibles.
Didn’t we know that already from listening to murtha and obama?
David Thomson: “Radical right-wing extremism is definitely a threat. I have long predicted that the not so subtle anti-white racist attacks by Barack Obama and the leftist establishment unintentionally helps to empower David Duke and his vile allies. Racial harmony was set back at least twenty years in the United States by his election.
I’m laughing aloud at your retarded argument that electing a black president sets back race relations because it empowers white supremacists like David Duke. As if the president should ever have to watch his language for fear of angering some extremist nut job. I don’t ever recall Bush watching his language for fear of angering Bin Laden, do you?
I say, let’s embolden these morons. Let’s bait these cockraoches to crawl out of their little neo-Nazi dens so we can snuff them out.
Or are you simply afraid that some of your friends and loved ones might be among the snuffed, Mr. Thompson?
Mauro’s pathetic article lost what little credibility it had remaining when mention of Timothy McVeigh crept in (entirely predictably).
The actions of one man does not constitute a precedent.
So we have McVeigh (murderous scumbag that he is) on the one hand, against thousands, at least, of individual examples on the other hand, all recognizably attributable to the Left.
http://trackacrat.com/
This DHS report is eerily similar to the mindset of the first Clinton administration. I can vividly remember the atrocities they committed at Waco and Ruby Ridge. We can all remember watching the MSM coverage as an out of control government tormented those family members in thier church for nearly 2 months, and we watched in horror as they finally gassed and burned 70+ innocent women and children to death because they didn’t like the political views of their congregation. I, like everyone else watched and did nothing. Never again.
They are right about one thing. People who love this country and it’s constitution are a threat to the obama agenda and the other traitors who support him. But, they most certainly are not a threat to America, just its enemies.
Threats may arise from any location across the threat spectrum. If you focus your attention in one direction you expose your back and flanks. Threat assessments should not be used for political posturing.
Actually this memo was brain dead BS, cooked up by a department unwilling to take on actual enemies of the nation who pose a threat to its existence. Slandering citizens who disagree politically is much easier and safer.
FTFY, SGT Ted.
“After reading it, I think the report seemed rushed and sloppy and the timing of its release was suspicious”
SOP for this administration. rushed and sloppy.
Except for when O needs to take a fews days to think things over (when Americans are actually in harms way)
43: Thank you Joe for the concise assessment. Muppet man, go back to your cave. You’ve never added any value here.
There is right wing extremism and there is right wing extremism.
Janet Napolitano’s little screed included returning veterans in the same thought loop as, former military guy, Timothy McVeigh.
As in…we literally train (military guys) who will then come home and blow up the Murrah Bldg. in oklahoma City with fertilizer bombs.
It was a stupid parallel (one of Big Sis Napolitano’s underlings even mentioned preventing more McVeighs) and deserved the scorn it received.
It seems like more and more “official” outlets (e.g. DHS) are quite literally being used to promulgate a very specific party line, to the exclusion of intelligent life in the universe.
The memo is offensive. Are there “right wing threats” ? It’s possible, but the memo itself states that they have no specific information to confirm this, it’s just theory.
The memo states that they need to investigate the theory to further define the potential threat. Let’s see, suspect your political opposition and use this as justification to investigate. Gee, that sounds like the type of responsible use of government power that we need in the United States.
Have there been McVieghs? Yes there was one. Are there doctors who shot an abortionist? Yes there was one. Was there an Eric Roudoph, bombing abortion clinics and the Olympic park? Yes there was one. You could investigate “right wing groups” until the cows come home and never stop the actions of a few misguided individuals.
Perhaps Homeland security should investigate everyone who has lost a job, been rejected by a lover, teased in school, lost a court case, abnormally interested in a celebrity – these groups seem to produce mass murders much more routinely than “right wingers”
The other advantage of investigating these groups is it would not have the effect of chilling or intimidating political speech, which the Supreme court has already ruled on numerous instances is unconstitutional.
“that electing a black president sets back race relations”
Electing a black president per se has nothing to do with anything. Barack Obama is a radical leftist who attended a racist church for twenty years—and that makes all the difference in the world.
TO: HossierHawk
RE: Thanks….
…for filling in the blanks in my comment at item #35, vis-a-vis proper risk assessment, i.e., one each McVeigh, one each Rudolph, etc.
McVeigh WAS ‘spectacular’. But he pales next to the Islamo-Fascists of 9/11. And the Islamo-Fascists, despite this administration’s efforts to write them off as ‘no threat’, are STILL with US and STILL trying to get their hands on nuclear weapons.
And yet the bozos at DHS, as supported by Ryan Mauro[on], think people sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States are more a threat than they? How very odd…..
….AND….
….how characteristic of an administration that is paranoid to its very core. But their paranoia is misplaced…..
….unless they have something they know that we don’t.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[What they are telling you may be important. What they are NOT telling you may be vital. -- CBPelto, Rules of Intelligence]
The problem isn’t that the memo warned about right-wing extremists, it is the suggestion that military service is correlated with such extremism. In fact, military service turns out to be anti-correlated. So the memo constiutes an ad hoc attack on veterans with no basis in fact. It raises the question as to whether our government officials are rational and are capable of running the country properly. We don’t need delusional officials working in DHS, using their fantasies to prioritize government actions, thank you very much!
Iffin’ ya want to talk ‘extremist/terrorist/nutter’… One word for ya’ll:
“AYERS”
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/27/obamas-ayers-problem-deepens/
One of PrezzyPoo’s many whack ‘mentors’. -Ain’t that EXTRA special?
Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmm.
White er ‘Right’ Wing extremists… Uh-huh. Those violent Tea Parties were just the tip of the…the…the backyard barbecue with the kiddles. Oy Vey! Pfft!
The fact that this report was released and disseminated throughout MSM a couple of days before the National Tea Party Protests diminishes its credibility and exposes the politicization of the Obama DHS. This was simply an attempt to marginalize and discredit those protesting (or considering protesting) the excesses of an out of control government.
Skinheads plotting to assasinate Obama? I’ve dealt with these guys and they barely have the mental capacity to breath and walk at the same time. Think Beavis and Butthead without hair.
Chill out my ass!!!!!
I just downloaded a memo from the National Memo Analysis Center:
“Be wary of the dissemination of memos from fat, frumpy, short-haired Bureaucrats named Janet. Should you receive a memo as described, take the following precautions:
1. If you are a leader of a fringe religious group, it is imperative that your “place of worship” be fitted with fire extinguishers and that no exits be barred.
2. Should you own property adjoining the Mexican border, it would be prudent to build/install water fountains, a bountiful garden of fresh produce, and have adequate restroom facilities with Spanich signage.”
We at the NMAC will keep you posted of any further memo developments.
IN the “good old days” the communists of Eastern Europe would sneeringly dismiss and attempt to “smear” their opponents by labelling them as “Anti-socialist Element” – it was meant to convey that opponents of “the future” were few and unsavory, worthy of contempt and commitment to mental hospitals thatwas one of favoured tools of communist oppression.
In 1980 10 million people in Poland donned T-shirts that boldly proclaimed each wearer, in big red letters” and “anti-socialist element”.
I eagearly await the appearance of T-shirts in USA with “right-wing extremist” lettering on them
And far-left a#@#les like Ryan Mauro should be made to wear them, at gun point if necessary.
Skinheads or Nazis, are “Left wing extremists”
as in “more Gov. control”.
Anything in the “Right wing extremist” category
is less Gov. control or “anarchy”.
By the way Tim McVeigh was a left wing nut
he was kicked out of a militia because of his left wing rants about G H Bush and the sanctions killing innocent children in Iraq, like most lefties, never understanding that it’s the gov. of Iraq and thier actions that bring the worst upon its population.
Same with lefties and their view of Cuba…Cuba is in bad shape because America doesn’t trade with them bla bla…even when the rest of the world trades with them. It’s our fault they live in poverty, never understanding the facts about the Cuban Marxist Gov. being the root of all Cuba’s problems.
Wake up and smell the cordite people!
Sorry, Ryan, you published your essay on the wrong site.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some right wing hate groups didn’t recruit from these very comments.
My goodness, I just found another memo from the National Memo Analysis Center (NMAC).
“It has come to our attention that there are memos circulating as to the legitimacy of our POTUS. After having carefully analyzed these memos (its what we do), we can confidently state that there is no credible rationale for this concern. We have constructed a “hypothetical” scenario in which the legitimacy, if not the competence, of a future POTUS could be called into question:
1. The POTUS would have been from a non-traditional family, perhaps one featuring the absence of a father.
2. Said POTUS raised in a culture different from a “mainstream” upbringing – example, attended a Muslim Madrasa in his/her formative years.
3. Hypothetical POTUS would seek the guidance of a father figure, who would be of dubious circumstances – ie, a Communist rabble-rouser fleeing the mainland in the 1940′s to a then-territory, like say, Hawaii.
4. POTUS could have attended a church which regularly featured the rantings of an anti-American preacher. This could be a rabbi, a priest, or it could be from a black church steeped in the beliefs of Black Liberation Theology , an offshoot of Marxism. Not likely, mind you, but hypothetically possible.
5. Said POTUS would have to be given cover by the mainstream media, in which practically no negative coverage be dedicated to him/her or his/her policies past and present.
6. Said POTUS would have to communicate in a very controlled fashion, in which practically every public speech or pronouncement be carefully scripted (via teleprompter, for example). The risks in this situation of a non-mainstream off-the-cuff remark creating negative feedback would be too high for this POTUS. This control would extend to open-format press conferences as well.
As can be inferred from this memo analysis, the above scenario simply isn’t plausible in the modern age of rapid-fire information.”
NMAC
“By the way Tim McVeigh was a left wing nut”
Geez, Greg, what are you on?
Here’s a quote form McVeigh:
“Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate “promises,” they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight … Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn’t come to that. But it might.”
Wow, he was raging liberal!
The stupidity of the comments on this site continues to amaze and amuse:)
Ryan:
The memo specifically mentions that civil rights organizations are finding an increase in crimes against Hispanics and provides examples of right-wing extremists suspected of planning violent attacks on Hispanics and immigrants crossing the border.
Except those “specific examples ” (all two of them) were based on erroneous news reports and never happened the way the DHS analysts (and I use the word loosely) described them: http://tinyurl.com/cnt5qm
That’s part of the gripe I and other people have with this report: unlike the left-wing report, this piece of fish wrapping is couched mostly in generalities and padded with weasel-words, and what specifics are offered show their research was … well, “shoddy” would be a charitable description.
If this were turned in to me as a paper in an underegraduate poli-sci class, I’d give it a “C-” at best. DHS claims it was in the works for more than a year, but it looks like it took a couple of hours, at most. I don’t doubt there are violent extremists beyond the Right, but this report is just indefensible.
If a memo comes out that calls the threat from Palestinian terror groups leftwing extremisism, the molevolent lefties on this thread should keep your pie holes shut. The Islamists and the left both share a hatred of Israel. (Not to mention there is no conservative equivalent for the lefts reliable apologist tendencies for Palestinian terror.) So under the partisan hack Napolitano’s logic, this is as fair assessment of the left.
If they want to play these games and continue turning entire departments into partisan political units, be prepared for the blow-back. The DHS needs the support of the entire country – not just urban leftists and elites and that is made very difficult when it is run as a political attack operation.
I am beginning to think these White House occupants really are this stupid.
Yes, I realize he DOES want to be PFL (president for life), but if he was serious about implementing all of these things and more within 8-10 months of taking office, they should have brought out the brownshirts and large community police forces already.
Maybe that’s next week.
Let’s roll. (with the greatest respect and admiration for Todd Beamer)
Boris- let me guess you think Kennedy was assassinated by right wingers, I thought so.
Views on taxes does not make a person a right wingnut. You need better quotes to tie MC Veigh to the American Conservatives or Rush. Mc Veigh was not part of any “anarchy” movement that would mean he’s a right winger.
Mcveigh as far as I’m concerned was aligned with nazis, that’s left aligned, and with all America haters including middle eastern militant groups, all anti individual freedom haters.
thus tim M. like many fall, on the left, remember the extreme left is the extreme right they all result in a totalitarian Gov.
Distorted moral views on totalitarian Govt. an their relation to American and American Sanctions shows who’s side he was on he was a GHB the 1st, hater.
again left wing all forms of totalitarian govt.
and govt intervention like the democratic party.
right wing all anarchy groups and assorted idiots
and the center all that believe in a very limited govt as embodied my the founders of America and the American conservative party the republicans and yes the republicans are suffering, it’s called subterfuge,
by the left and their concepts.
Profiling for me but not for thee.
TO: All
RE: Heh
I ‘question the timing’. Thata item vis-a-vis Ryan Mauro[on]‘s item.
Maybe Whatzhername at DHS is reading this thread and decided it was time to have Obama throw ANOTHER leftist under the proverbial bus.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I believe in coincidence. I just don't trust it. -- Garrack, Cardacian tailor/thinker/soldier/spy on ST:DS9]
Kermit the Frog, (#40)
Assuming that the inner-extremist comes out in droves amongst us fly-over rednecks, how would you libs snuff us out? With your 18-inch modified pistol-grip Mossbergs? Or your 1911 .45s? Or would you assail us with quotes from scholars like Olbermann or Stewart? Good God, man, would you hunger-strike us into submission, or will it be the dreaded “red paint” coat splash? You could go for the “rush the female conservative speaker and throw pie in her face” strategy! Or how about the rent-a-riot molotov-in-the-waste-container!
By George, the possibilities of snuffing out an angry armed-to-the-teeth mob of right-wing extremists are endless!
COOL!!
Feds add bombing suspect and ‘animal rights extremist’ Daniel San Diego to ‘Most Wanted’ terror list — the first accused domestic terrorist to be added. — Fox News
————That would be the LEFT————–
As it should be, you obomatrons won’t be seeing Ann Coulter on any list as soon as you would like.
‘animal rights extremist’ Daniel San Diego
I would guess a… “Registered Democrat”
‘It warns of “left-wing groups within the animal rights, environmental, and anarchist extremist movements that promote or have conducted criminal or terrorist activities,”’
There’s millions of enviromentalists in the U.S., but hardly any of them commit Serious crimes like rape or murder, and when they do it’s virtually never politically motivated. Political extremism by enviromentalists isn’t worth bothering about.
We also have millions of illegal aliens in the United States, and they commit large numbers of SERIOUS crimes, apparently at a far higher rate than the general population.
Crime committed by the sub-group of enviromentalists is a non-issue. Crime committed by the sub-group of illegal aliens is a real issue.
Deal with real issues, not made-up issues.
Yes the Illegal Alien issue is large, but I don’t think the Obama Addmin. will do as much as the
Bush addmin. did, and that was like crickets
on a Sunday evening.
Tim McVeigh was an angry individual who, while in the military, had been rejected for Special Forces training after being assessed as an unstable personality.
He was a devotee of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
tanstaafl
That sounds more like T McV.
“He was a devotee of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”
Thus he was alined more with the NAZIS,
thus he was alined to the extreme LEFT
“national socialists” not the center,
“America, a Constitutional Republic”
or the extreme Right the “anarchist”.
By all means let’s focus on “right-wing extremists” as a danger. Never mind the left wing extremists, however, who are benign and immune. They are simply misunderstood “youths” who go on to become professors of education in Chicago, scam money from half-witted foundations to promote their communist agendas under the guise of community action and education, and then work to elect their narcissistic, affirmative-action friends to become “useful idiot” politicians.
In a classic but grandiose implementation of the “pidgeon drop”, you bought the Brooklyn Bridge, America. Congratulations for recognizing and then acquiring such a bargain! I wouldn’t say you got what you deserve, but you sure are looking a little bit silly for blindly and ignorantly falling for what may go down in history as the world’s biggest sucker bet.
Look at these to portions of the definitions:
“…defines leftwing extremists as
groups or individuals who embrace radical elements of the anarchist, animal rights, or
environmental movements”
“Rightwing extremism … those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely.”
Hmmm. I would say that anyone who completely rejects goverment authority is an anarchist. So why are anarchists mentioned twice?
Apparently, on the left, only some anarchists (those who “embrace radical elements”) are extremist and a threat. In contrast, on the right, all anarchists are a threat. More importantly, anyone who is a Federalist (“rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority”), radical or not, is as much a threat as a right-wing anarchist.
I have always thought of McVeigh as right wing extremist, in the same vein that skinheads are right wing extremists.
FWIW, which isn’t much.
A wacko is a wacko, and the fact remains that the DHS report under Big Sis Napolitano (speaking for the Obama administration ?) strikes me as frighteningly wacko.
TO: Paul from Hamburg, et al.
RE: Excellent Point
But you left out the following other potential right-wing extremists:
• former military
• anti-abortion crowd
So the pool from which the right-wing extremists can come from becomes substantially even larger. Especially if you consider that the ‘anti-abortion crowd’ mostly consists of ‘Christians’. So we see a change on the order of at least a magnitude.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]
Just forgot Murtha is a vet. Let’s keep an eye on him.
Thomas Jefferson would have been a “right-wing extremist” as he was a supporter of state’s rights which would fall under the “…rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely.” part of the memo.
Nice to know our current President is not only willing to throw his immediate predecessor under the bus, but also the founding fathers. Proof he has no shame.
According to the European media, America is largely considered to be a “right wing extremist” nation. John McCain, one of the most liberal Republican candidates ever fielded for the Presidency is considered a “right wing extremist” in many European minds. This is a term used by committed left wing fascists to bludgeon and marginalize their opposition through slander, innuendo, and and lies.
Ryan Mauro — I directly challenge you to come up with a coherent definition for the term “right wing extremist” which you throw about so liberally.
MAURO THY NAME SHOULD BE MORON!
The government that perpetrated the Waco and Ruby Ridge massacres,is worried about “right -wing terrorism”? That’s rich!
Yes, let’s chill out.
A radical administration uses the most ANCIENT commie dictatorship building trick (“some nazis say X, whoever says X is a nazi”) and we chill out.
Chill out, it’s only A FEW tens of millions of babies aborted, and if you take it “too” seriously we send you to Siberia.
At the same time, we free the terrorists from Gitmo. Chill out.
In Congress there is a bill that will allow Obavez to shut down the Net, and we chill out.
The dollar is being destroyed by a growing debt and we chill out.
The Defense budget gets severe cuts and ACORN gets substantial money, and we chill out.
The administration has plans to nationalize the banks, let’s have another Martini !
It’s just America’s Freedom being attacked by the commies, don’t worry.
Relax, enjoy the good season.
Switch on, tune in, chill out.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
79. Chuck Pelto:
“So the pool from which the right-wing extremists can come from becomes substantially even larger. Especially if you consider that the ‘anti-abortion crowd’ mostly consists of ‘Christians’. So we see a change on the order of at least a magnitude.”
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Exactly, Mr. Pelto. -But, of course, this is coming from our white-American president who embraces Muslims and Athiests and spews at the Americans that ‘cling to their guns and their religion’ [as if that's a crime] and yet his own supposedly “Christian” church was led by a madman from his pulpit of racist and anti-American hatred.
GregGS: Skinheads or Nazis, are “Left wing extremists”
as in “more Gov. control”.
Anything in the “Right wing extremist” category
is less Gov. control or “anarchy”.
By the way Tim McVeigh was a left wing nut
he was kicked out of a militia because of his left wing rants about G H Bush and the sanctions killing innocent children in Iraq, like most lefties, never understanding that it’s the gov. of Iraq and thier actions that bring the worst upon its population.
So protesting the deaths of innocent civilians is by definition a “left wing rant”?
I guess “respect for life” can be added to the list of issues that the reactionary right has ceded to the left.
Yes Paul
Anarchists are tools of the left to bring about
bigger Govt. to the point of being Authoritarian in nature. So the right and the left are the same
results. So right now, the Left, in it’s quest for power is willing to call or paint anyone who perhaps rejects any laws of the US government
as right wing extremists.
WOW…The current administration that is currently destroying America is afraid of so called “right-wing extremists”? What a bunch of clowns you have thrown in with Mauro.
The memo states that they need to investigate the theory to further define the potential threat. Let’s see, suspect your political opposition and use this as justification to investigate. Gee, that sounds like the type of responsible use of government power that we need in the United States.Have there been McVieghs? Yes there was one. Are there doctors who shot an abortionist? Yes there was one. Was there an Eric Roudoph, bombing abortion clinics and the Olympic park? Yes there was one. You could investigate “right wing groups” until the cows come home and never stop the actions of a few misguided individuals.
Mr. Ryan Mauro,
How do you answer the above comments? Your turn, sir.
TO: All
RE: Master of Puppets & Respecting Life
As if….
I wonder how many babies Master of Puppets has approved of for ‘murder’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ll wager dollars against donuts that, by his countenance, Master of Puppets has murdered millions of babies.
When people like “Pastor of Muppets” are the standard-bearers of our current oppressive administration, you know we’re in trouble. Not a coherent thought in the bunch (well, without a handy-dandy teleprompter that is).
In the end we have to take back the definitions of words from the left
Nazis, Marxists and democrats are extreme left as they are all about massive govt.
Republicans and some “libertarians” are centrists they believe in limited govt.
anarchists and Libertines are the extreme right
no govt no laws.
Pastor of Muppets: says
“So protesting the deaths of innocent civilians is by definition a “left wing rant”?”
SO! History has proven it time and time again!
…it’s quest for power is willing to call or paint anyone who perhaps rejects any laws of the US government as right wing extremists
By that definition, Nancy Pelosi (banging on illegal aliens’ doors at night is “un-American”), Janet Napolitano (On Sunday, April 19, 2009, Secretary Napolitano went on CNN’s “State of the Union” and proclaimed that crossing the border illegally is not a crime), and even the waffler John McCain (illegals are all “children of God” too) are right wing extremists.
I get your point, however, and agree that such labelling and attempts to paint with a broad brush anyone who isn’t in their camp is another aspect of the current administration’s tactics.
Pastor of Muppets:
T McV… So call protesting the killing of innocents in Iraq by blaming it on Bush elder and American sanctions, and then going out and killing American innocents in OK city, is “”Classic leftist mind set”". instead or relising
American Sanctions are out of Moral Indignation
Of the Iraq Marxist Govt. thats own actions created the mess in Iraq after the fist Iraq war.
Sodom H. pun intended, created the killing of innocents in Iraq. Not America Not GHB or GWB.
Greg,
You are about as out of touch with the facts as it’s possible to get.
More from McVeigh:
“I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.”
Notice how McVeigh sounds like a lot of the posters here?
McVeigh also quit the NRA because they didn’t protect gun rights enough.
Not that reality has mattered to you in the past, but…
tanstaafl:
By that definition, Nancy Pelosi (banging on illegal aliens’ doors at night is “un-American”),
The Day Nancy does that is the day I’d believe in
something like Man Made Global Warming.
I won’t quote Tim McVeigh anymore, you guys might start treating him as a prophet!
Nancy Pelosi sums up what is wrong with Congress and this Administration. She should be on every poster for the GOP in the next election.
The MSM will most likely label Miss California a right-wing extremist based her gay marriage answer the other night.
Boris I’ll repeat myself
“T McV… So call protesting the killing of innocents in Iraq by blaming it on Bush elder and American sanctions, and then going out and killing American innocents in OK city, is “”Classic leftist mind set””. instead or realizing
American Sanctions are out of Moral Indignation
Of the Iraq Marxist Govt. Thats own actions created the mess in Iraq after the fist Iraq war.”
Extreme Left All Govt.
Center limited govt.
Extreme right No Government
gun rights are not just a conservative issue it is an individual right believed by people in
the Left
the center and
the right
keep reading the T McV. stuff he’s closer to the uni bomber than Rush L.. Sorry!
Extremely lame, Boris’ attempts at parallels between Crazy Tim and individuals not dumbed down enough to discern the current all around power grab in DC.
Boris
Do not the troll.
‘Another memo was written on March 26 warning of anti-capitalist, socialist, and communist radicals seeking “to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes.”’
Another big, fat red herring (pun intended).
There never has been a violent communist revolution in America and it isn’t likely that there will be in the near future…so why are you pissing my tax money away “investigating” a non-issue?
Here’s a real issue: Little kids playing on the streets in the inner city are gunned down by gangbangers on a regular basis in America. Let’s deal with an actual existing problem, that of REAL violence by criminal gangsters, instead of worrying about a commie revolution that has basically no chance of taking place.
Ashu: “The memo states that they need to investigate the theory to further define the potential threat. Let’s see, suspect your political opposition and use this as justification to investigate. Gee, that sounds like the type of responsible use of government power that we need in the United States.Have there been McVieghs? Yes there was one. Are there doctors who shot an abortionist? Yes there was one. Was there an Eric Roudoph, bombing abortion clinics and the Olympic park? Yes there was one. You could investigate “right wing groups” until the cows come home and never stop the actions of a few misguided individuals.”
Firstly, you forgot the most recent cases of the reactionary right wing nut job who shot and killed innocent churchgoers because he hated liberals, as well as the reactionary right wing nut job who shot and killed police just a couple weeks ago because he hated President Obama and was afraid the government was going to take his guns away.
All those “ones” add up to a lot of potential murderers. If the FBI wasnt monitoring them, it wouldn’t be doing its job.
Pastor of Muppers… We need proof of your statements to comment on them. I’d like to see where you got your facts about the killer in the church hating liberals and the person who killed police hating Obama. Facts please.
TO: Boris
RE: Isn’t It Rather Curious….
…that at the time McVeigh blew up that building in OKC there was a new and powerful omnibus anti-terrorism bill making its way through Congress?
And why am I reminded of that poor sap, Van der Lubbe, from the Reichstag Fire? The parallels are just too strong……
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I believe in coincidence. I just don't trust it. -- Garrack, Cardacian tailor/thinker/soldier/spy on ST:DS9]
Muppeteer,
What about the ‘DC Sniper’? What about “Lovelle Mixon”… What about the black rioting and black on black crimes. Considering blacks are mostly Democrats I’m going to take a guess that these were out-of-control ‘Libs’. Should I go on?
There are nutters from all walks of life who take many forms and stances be it political, religious, personal etc.
Postal workers sometimes go ‘Postal’ but that doesn’t mean I consider our post office a freakin’ nut-house full of terrorist just waiting to snap.
-At least, I hope not. I better give my post-woman a hug today.
TO: All
RE: Boris and Poor Thinking
I guess Boris was suddenly reminded of John Brown and his infamous raid on Harper’s Ferry arsenal.
However, with his poor reasoning, Boris doesn’t recognize that John Brown seized a military facility killing only one hapless individual in the initial take-over. All other fatalities were suffered amongst John Brown’s followers when the facility was overrun by federal forces.
On the other hand, McVeigh, allegedly alone at the time, blew up a building killing 168 individuals.
Brown’s intentions were to raise a slave rebellion in the South.
McVeigh’s was bloody murder.
There are some significant differences between the two. But the parallel between Brown and McVeigh as ‘prophets’ is rather interesting. And something I had heard of before.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[It's astonishing what one can learn on the web.]
Oops…
…that last sentence should read….
“And something I had NOT heard before.”
Y’all should watch.
Learn about the evolution and development of Obamatrons, aka Useful Idiots, and their future in the New World Order.
On Ideological Indoctrination
(adios for the nonce)
Progressive/Socialist = a hybrid mix of socialism and fascism. PC speech = Newspeak.
It’s the leftists in western countries that are ready to start gassing the Jews again. These are the people you need to worry about, not the soccer mom with the anti-abortion sticker on her bumper.
113. tanstaafl,
That youtube video was incredibly freaky deaky and so TRUE. I seriously got chills.
Perhaps we should stop trying to argue out the
differences between left center and right
and argue over simple stuff like…
” fat people cause global warming ”
there are fat leftist, fat centrists, and fat right wingers, and like all leftist Govt. they
will burn there own to get to those they don’t agree with, you lefties might find yourself in
the newly created GW Gulags! What goes aound
come around.
“keep reading the T McV. stuff he’s closer to the uni bomber”
I have to agree that McVeigh and the Unabomber are similar. After all, the Unabomber spent a good deal of his manifesto ranting about “leftists.”
72. Dave Surls:
‘It warns of “left-wing groups within the animal rights, environmental, and anarchist extremist movements that promote or have conducted criminal or terrorist activities,”’
There’s millions of enviromentalists in the U.S., but hardly any of them commit Serious crimes like rape or murder, and when they do it’s virtually never politically motivated. Political extremism by enviromentalists isn’t worth bothering about.
Crime committed by the sub-group of enviromentalists is a non-issue.
~~~~~~~~~
Take your head out of the sand. I live in the Northwest, and we ahve had MILLIONS of DOLLARS worth of “political extremism by environmentalists”, that you claim isnt’ worth bothering about.
e.g. UW Center for Urban Horticulture ($6 million in damages just there), Car Dealerships, Research labs, an ENTIRE neighborhood of (environmentaly friendly even) houses – all torched. (and since they DID want everyone to know who did it, they had signs all over the place claiming responsibility). Some of these “non criminal” environmentalists have been arrested, tried and convicted of their “non-environmentalist” crimes.
Anyone quoting from so called reports of fact by the Southern Poverty Law Center lost any credibility in my book.
Is this Ryan nuts?? What the hellis he smoking? It was clear from the very start that Obama and his cronies were dedicated leftists and that they are following the rules laid out in Alinsky’s book, RULES FOR RADICALS, they have identified and enemy, they are isolating that enemy with their comments and a willing lapdog media and they are trying to destroy that enemy.
Today, the tea party movement, tomorrow the Jews? Christians? The NRA? Can someone tell me their actions in declaring they want to control our 401K, Banks, Industries,executive pay, ignore the borders, cozy up to terror regiemes while refusing to meet with Netanyahu, Bow to the king of Saudi Arabia, place by force all my medical records into a government data base, create his own civilian military force by fiat…this is not representative democracy, this is TYRANNY.
Is this guy kidding? Here’s a question for you: When was the last time anyone – anyone – saw a group of skinheads on an American street?
These people have to use names like Timothy McVeigh and David Duke because there is no one else like them who is alive or current.
And even when Duke was having his fifteen minutes of fame, he had no power, no following, no credibility, no program, no future.
He certainly wasn’t in charge of the United States government.
I’m waiting patiently for names, arrests, uncovered plots. I’m listening. Anyone?
You know, there is something terribly ironic about environmentalist wacko’s having such a proclivity for setting fires – it produces so much CO2. Don’t they know CO2 is blamed for AGW? hope they bought their carbon credits.
Boris said
“I have to agree that McVeigh and the Unabomber are similar. After all, the Unabomber spent a good deal of his manifesto ranting about “leftists.”
ranting! only that the American left hadn’t brought about “SOCIAL CHANGE” fast enough
through violet revolution. anti industry etc.
The uni… HE was your typical Berkeley grad. total brain washed and brain dead leftist.
TO: Jim Bancroft
RE: What Is He On?
I suspect it’s one of the new colors of Crayola. Or he could be injecting one of their Color Explosion refill sets.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I wanna new drug. One that won't let me think! -- Huey Lewis (paraphrased)]
First of all, anyone who doesn’t take the Southern Poverty Law Center’s reports with a bag of salt just isn’t engaging his or her brain. Secondly, as noted by many critical of the military’s planning sequence, DHS is behaving in much the same manner as the military — i.e., preparing for the “last” war.
Colonel (Retired) Douglas MacGregor was a rising star in the US Army until he began telling the truth. His books caused a great deal of wailing and gnashing of teeth within the Pentagon.
Those of us who insist our diplomatic, military, and intelligence relationships with the Saudi Royal Family are simply insane are also maligned. One need only ask a simple question: Why does Saudi Arabia have the highest rate of radical Islamofascism?
The real issue before us is holding DHS accountable each and every time it releases fact-less information to our country’s law enforcement agencies and/or moves against law-abiding Americans instead of our enemies. Moreover, before releasing a report that is more reminiscent of Janet Reno than any contemporary threat to America, let’s indict Janet Napolitano for her refusal to enforce our country’s immigration laws.
Thanks, 113. tanstaafl, for the link. I’d seen it a couple of years ago and forgotten it. Thanks for the reminder. This is the definition of prescient. What he talks about we see unfolding before our very eyes. To everyone who hasn’t seen it, please check it out.
40. Pastor of Muppets:
Are you still here? Why are you wasting your time here. You need to be working and paying taxes. If you are a leftie it is your duty to help “the One” with all your money. Get to work and pay your taxes. I need a good rebate this year.
TO: tanstaafl
RE: Good GOD!
This video document from 1985 goes far in explaining the likes of vivo, David S, etc., etc., etc……
This one is going to get a LOT of exercise as I throw it in their faces.
I’m particularly impressed by his comment that their ilk won’t believe ANY facts until someone kicks them in their ‘big fat behind’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
P.S. That video is ALSO going to get a LOT of exercise amongst the TEA Party set……
[Revolution is brewing!]
102. steveg:
Good point. I wonder when Homeland Security is going to investigate her for being a possible terror threat just because she exercised her freedom of speech.
Ryan:
Show me your handful of “right wing extremists” and I’ll show you 150 million “left wing” and Muslim radicals all with the same agenda; to kill Christians, conservatives, Americans in general, small government patriots, military members, polluters and cops with 9000 news stories to prove it. Any sane and awake person knows what’s going on here in this country and around the world. But if you lean left you would like to minimize the real facts and point to some unsubstantiated future plot by a few right wing nut balls.
If pushed, conservative Americans, Christians and Jews from around the world will defend themselves for sure. That is a lot different then hatching plots to steal from, starve, tax, kill and murder innocents like the above “left wing” and Muslim radicals are already doing in this world in front of everybody’s eyes. Yes “left wing” and Muslim radicals are linked together by their ideals and their hatred and there are thousands of news stories to prove that to.
Like always, conservatives, Christians and Jews will get pushed too far, will be forced to fight back and it will end with the eternal defeat of the Left Wing and Muslim radicals because they are so blinded by their own hatred of conservatives, Christians and Jews that they cannot see the consequences of their actions much like Hitler, Mussolini and Japan in world war 2 could not see the end until it was too late, only this time there will be no rebuilding or help for the defeated.
There is no putting the genie back in the bottle, the lefts agenda is exposed and the Muslim radicalized world agenda is exposed, they should be afraid, but they are not, they will just curse God and die before they will ever give up their ideals.
Lord have mercy!
Incidentally, where are these supposed “dirty bomb components”? This guy had jars of depleted uranium (depleted meaning that the somewhat more radioactive U235 isotope has been removed) and natural thorium. Both of these have half-lives of over 1,000,000,000 years, meaning that you get more radiation from the sky then you’d get from standing on a mountain of either of these metals. Depleted uranium is commonly used as radiation SHIELDING. A pile of dirt is more radioactive than piles of U238 and Thorium 232. No mention of any explosives or detonators either. Basically, I have more dirty bomb materials in my pantry than this guy had. He’s an idiot, and so are the people who wrote the article about it.
I won’t start naming the names, but it’s so good to have a good number of thoughtful, repeat posters on this site (and some slopover to others as well).
You who know the links, can state some of the facts that the lefties want to confuse or ignore….boy, keep on doing it!
A few months back, I was getting really frustrated with this process of communication via comments on these sites, because much of what was said (especially the good stuff!) seemed to obvious and repetitive. My instinct in response was to say, “Good grief, don’t we all know that? Can we move on?” or “Common sense makes that so easy to deal with.”
Now I’m realizing that the persistence and patience and knowledge of repeating, repeating, repeating, illustrating, insisting, persisting, and saying it again and again and again IS exactly what is going to be necessary for the long haul.
The statists have used this for decades and we sure don’t have to apologize for trying to inform and persuade those who are just now waking up. So keep at it!
I’m not as good at it as many of you, but I read your notes and postings and am cheering you on. I also have health issues that mean some days aren’t so great…
But please keep at it, y’all! And my compliments here include some of the newer informed posters who are starting to light up the boards.
The patriot front (goodness, that is so right wing of me to use that phrase) is going to be made of millions of people, and you are in the internet vanguard.
For those of you who have been around awhile, frankly I consider you personal friends, and didn’t want to leave any room for the impression that my less frequent posting indicates lack of interest or support for you, individually and as a group.
The sleep dog arises. Meet at the Old Mill. We ride at dawn.
So…kind of emotional, but there ya go. WE are the ones we’ve been waiting for.
Napolitano Bonaparte knows she was pushing and shoving and trying to conquer the tea parties for her regime. Bonaparte was trying to conquer, just like a little frumpy conqueror.
It did not work the way that the Bonaparte regime planned it to work, and they did succeed in doing it wrong. Why did I see Bonaparte apologizing on television? You do not apologize unless you know you did it wrong.
Yes, right-wing extremism is as much a legitimate threat as left-wing extremism is.
But “chill out”?
If the report on right-wingers had listed specific organizations, liek the left-wing report did, you might have a point.
If the report on left-wingers had characterized all environmentalists and animal rights supporters as potential recruits, the way the right-wing report characterized veterans, you might have a point.
As it stands, the report was perverted by the Obama administration to serve a role in its neverending political campaign. It deserves all the criticism it gets.
SO these gang members who came back to THA HOOD from serving OUR COUNTRY are not DOMESTIC TERRORIST?
Boorish thinks he is being clever but he is actually proving the point about the purpose of the DHS report. He takes the mass murder committed by one guy (alledgedly) 15 years ago, cites anti-government quotes from him, and then suggests that anyone who objects to the federal government overstepping its constitutional powers is cut from the same cloth.
BTW, is it a coincidence that Axelrod, on national televesion, said the tea parties were “unhealthy” and that there is a danger that they might lead to more extreme behavior? Where’d he get that idea?
If you guys-n-gals are looking for a tough read get “Shadow World” http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-World-Resurgent-Russia-Radical/dp/1596985615/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240348548&sr=1-1
it’s a ruthlessly honest book.
IT’S NOT EASY TO DIGEST. It’s everything we know about the different lefty groups but were afraid
say and act on. and as we all know indecision is the real killer.
TO: pedro
RE: And the Answer IS….
….’all depends on the situation’. [Note: An old Army joke and your compadres in 'THA HOOD' will recognize it as being the 'truth' of the matter. Especially if they got to NCO grades.]
What’s my point?
This….
It will depend on what they use those skills for. Knocking over banks or rival gang members or defending the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as they gave their oaths to do.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The difference between good men and bad is their choice of causes.]
The amazing thing is that a state like Arizona elected Napolitano governor. Did a million leftys from California move to Arizona?
So Chuck, see the tie in yet with this and the Roman Statute from the UNs millinium amendment to which obammy has pledged to fully support? I know…. who cares about that kind of silly stuff. You enemy of the USSA you…..
113. tanstaafl:
Learn about the evolution and development of Obamatrons, aka Useful Idiots, and their future in the New World Order.
On Ideological Indoctrination
128. Chuck Pelto:
TO: tanstaafl
RE: Good GOD!
This video document from 1985 goes far in explaining the likes of vivo, David S, etc., etc., etc……
Good God is right!
–The UnPatriot
TO: GregGS
RE: Heh
As we would say in the Army….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better. -- Harry S. Truman]
P.S. I doubt if this last good Democratic Party president is referring to his current successor.
“BTW, is it a coincidence that Axelrod, on national televesion, said the tea parties were “unhealthy” and that there is a danger that they might lead to more extreme behavior? Where’d he get that idea?”
That’s the hallmark of the left, push people and their rights, then when they argue and eventually fight back, the left will call them the “instigators of the violence” typical left roll reversal.
“Render unto Caesar what is Caesars and render unto God what is Gods.”
What that means is Caesar or Government, has no power or wealth over you or I other than what
we are willing to give them or what they are willing to take from us, because we don’t fight back.
Like my bumper sticker says:
I’ll give your president the same respect you gave mine.
There will be NO END to this “hyper partisan heat”.
Us conservatives are going to keep on keeping on, and we will keep pumping up the volume while we’re at it.
If the poor libs can’t take it, too damn bad.
Their can be little doubt that the goal of the “year long report” that was probably thrown together in about 8 hours… its goal was to paint anyone who is right of stalin as a threat. Their are right-wing extremism out there… and were talking real right-wing extremism not the fake “if your right of stalin your extremist” crap that this report is clearly trying to paint.
First Key info that is important
” The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence”
The simple fact is their is no proof… so instead of reinforcing the fact that right-wing terrorism is a myth and basically doesn’t exist… we get this
” but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues.”
Not too bad however the next line is where the fun starts.
” The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment. ”
Note the fact that all “right wingers” are racist… this is a reoccurring theme of this report. If right wing is said it is pretty much followed by either them as racists or white supremacist.
I could cite about 20 different times where the report clearly states that rightwing and white supremacist are basically interchangeable in the report. Their is nothing in the leftwing report that covers anything to due with racists/racism/racist groups…. nothing. This beside the fact that leftwingers everything from the KKK, hitler, stalin and scores of others are the classic racists and believe in the “utopia society/race”.
Note also the leftwing report focuses solely on “Cyber attacks”. They go out of their way to try to imply that leftwingers are somehow peaceful and non-violent and that their shifting to attack only “Leftwing extremists will continue to focus on what they consider economic targets.”
“The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession”
Note how the “economic recession” only effect “rightwingers” but not the leftwingers(because they would never exploit the economic problem to push fascism/communism or any other form of a left wing government)
“weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups,”
Yes because opposing complete/almost complete ban on weapons(and self-defense) is clearly an extremist position and everyone going to run out and join the KKK…. or worse the NRA and become a terrorist.
Note the old usage of boris’s “prophet” as he likes to call him Timothy McVeigh. Note how the leftwing report doesn’t name any person… most of all any leftwing person I don’t know like say bill ayers…
Note also not only does the report try to paint a large majority of the US military as extremists but also as white racists…
Their is nothing about how EVERY SINGLE GROUP THAT WANTS TO COMMIT VIOLENCE TRIES TO RECRUIT FROM THE MILITARY RANKS. Every racist to gang member would like to recruit ppl to join who are trained by the army… o wait I forgot only white ppl can be racist(and rightwing) and all those movement such as MS-13, black panthers, la raza and hundreds of others are just “equal rights” groups trying to stay alive when confronted with the evil white man…. their is no mention in either of the reports of these groups…they must be centrists then…will DHS do a “centrist extremism” report?
And where are the numbers… on a yearly basis leftwing eco terror groups cause ten of millions of dollars YEARLY sometimes HUNDREDS of millions of dollars in a “good” year.
And I ask where is the report of terrorism committed by peacniks vs US soldiers and recruiting centers… Peacniks of attacked veterans more then gay bashers have attacked gays… but who wants to take bets that a report coming out soon will paint everyone against gay-marriage as a homo-fobe and that “their is at best little decease in the attacks against gays”.
Maybe that will be part of the “centrist extremist” report their working on…
The fact that neither report addressed the fact that peacniks are attacking veterans and veteran centers is appalling more so in the fact that it was very clear that the whole point of the “rightwing” report was to paint WHITE VETERANs and racist and terrorists.
I was under the impression right wing extremism in Europe was for more government control. Like Hitler.
Funny, I thought the Democrats in America wanted the same thing.
Me thinks the play on words is to marginalize conservatives, and independents. So called Nationalists.
Wow. You have to be on massive, illegal drugs Ryan M.
Let’s not talk about the threat of virtually non-exsistant “Extreme Right-Wing Militias” (which describe lots of proud conservatives and brave military memebers) when USA HLS doesn’t even THINK about…(why aren’t those documents leaked????)
ALF
ELF
Violent Mexican Drug Gangs
MS-13
ACORN (more threatning than the fake Right Wing Militias (so called…just ask AIG employees and voters!)
Muslim Honour Killings in USA
Islamo Fascists sneaking in USA from Mexico and Canada
Islamo Fascist Sleeper Cells in USA
Oh yes, and that it is ok for Gitmo detainees to be released in USA right in our midst. No danger there. A legal, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE is more dangerous!!!
What a joke. You need to write a column on THOSE THINGS before this boogedyman fake-azz column! GET REAL!!!!!!
I am a Veteran myself, and I find it telling of the state of affairs in the country when the government calls the people responsible for its security likely and potential terrorists. There are no other countries anywhere in the world that would do such a thing. Embarrass their own in front of their own country and the whole world. Take Israel, from the highest levels to the unit commanders, they have staunchly quashed any and all inquiries and questionings of their soldiers involvement into what could arguably be war crimes. These things alone are amazing to see, but they are not likely the depths of the sickness that is seeping through our country everywhere.
Ryan,
The vast majority of “Skinheads” are left-wing.
Your entire premise needs a do-over.
The “left-wing extremist” report named names of groups that had planned and attempted attacks in the past, discussed tactics they might employ, and described real threats. The “right-wing extremist” report painted normal conservative positions as incitements to violence (such as a preference for smaller federal government), indicated that all veterans were likely candidates to attack their own country. It was not a description of a past, present, or potential future threat, just a smear job.
Your article cites as examples: “skinheads”, European anti-semites, and “groups” illustrated by Timothy McVeigh. So, basically you have to pad the article with insane-leftist groups, some from other countries, in order to make your point that “right-wing extremists” are still a threat. Take those away, and you have one guy, a decade ago, as your whole argument.
“In fact, the memo references an FBI report from July 7, 2008 (under the Bush administration, that is), that states that between October 2001 and May 2008, 203 individuals with “confirmed or claimed military experience” had joined extremist groups, 19 of which have “verified or unverified service” in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The numbers may not be accurate, but the extremists’ emphasis on recruiting those with military backgrounds and the deadly effect of only a few being willing to join them makes the threat worthy of such a cautionary memo.”
OK, so if .1% of black men committed a crime, it would be OK then to warn police that black men should be especially watched? Their veteran status should have nothing to do with it, as 203 would still make up a very small percentage of the total militia. Yes, veterans would make more dangerous militia, but the report paints them with broad strokes and implies that they are more likely to join than others.
The report on leftwing extremism gives specific groups, whom have done specific acts. Heck, one member of one of those groups is now on the FBI’s ten most wanted TERRORISTS lists for specfic acts of violence. Other than Timothy McVeigh, none of these supposed 203 recruits have done anything yet but join a group of like-minded folks that eventually may, MAY, take up action against the government.
Imagine the same report being just as general about left-wing militant groups and to especially watch out for students graduating from UC Berkeley or other liberal colleges, giving an example that 200 had already joined unnamed and as of yet innocent groups. The outcry from the left would be huge and so must the outcry against this report.
Personally, I fear the veterans who are taken in by the left wing kooks, much as Colin Powell was. Funny we should “chill” out about the DHS report, but anyone wonder why it was leaked a few days before the nationwide Tea Parties?
TO: David, et al.
RE: Telling Indeed
Here’s another ‘indicator’…..
….Obama has just signed the bill giving AmeriCorps almost $6B. The largest ever infusion of funding to that group. And he’s calling for ‘volunteers’.
I look forward to seeing what sort of ‘volunteers’ he gets, training they get and if the organization starts buying weapons to help with the ‘security’ of the United States, vis-a-vis the National Civilian Security Force he mentioned in a speech last year.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The 'indicators' keep on coming on....]
~500,000 people gathered, collectively across the country in hundreds of U.S. cities across the country regarding the tea parties last week and not 1 incident of injury, assaults, businesses damaged etc., (unlike the Prop 8 mob who did opposite of this after THE PEOPLE of California had spoken. Not to mention, the black and hispanic communities were more adamant against same-sex marriage than their white counterparts. Where’s the backlash?)
Yet, this article and nutjob Napolitano is claiming me as an ‘extremist’? That’s rich!
Mr. Mauro, your warped connection of ‘white supremaicists’ as to that of right wing extremists is moronic.
As to your, ‘The memo specifically mentions that civil rights organizations are finding an increase in crimes against Hispanics and provides examples of right-wing extremists suspected of planning violent attacks on Hispanics and immigrants crossing the border’ -
‘Planning violent attacks’? I believe you’re confusing protecting family, property and life from illegal immigrants doing harm on the aforementioned.
In case you haven’t noticed, a hispanic gang is present in nearly every California and New York city junior high and high school. Speak with hispanic students from a myriad of locations in both areas and tell us otherwise.
The battle to preserve the American lifestyle, in which every color and creed are encouraged to abide by, is under persecution and attack. You’re blindedness to that fact is your own undoing, naivete.
P.S. An additional thought about the AmeriCorps ‘volunteers’.
Will they be paid? As if they are getting a REAL job? Like we pay our military?
Their ultimate objective may be to run the entire country like todays college campus.
Obama is turning this country into a third world country….. he is a despot dictator. This article is ridiculous. The people that make this country work are suddenly the enemy? Sorry Mr. Mauro, I don’t accept your premise, and I don’t accept this despot dictator!
PastorJon: said
“from UC Berkeley or other liberal colleges, giving an example that 200 had already joined unnamed and as of yet innocent groups. The outcry from the left would be huge and so must the outcry against this report.”
I would guess at least 200 have joined extremists
from Berkeley alone… most likely out of each graduating class.
#4 “Right wing” extremism is done for the purpose of marginalizing Conservatives. It has taken awhile and even thought the “Left” cannot break themselves of the habit, it only shows they do not understand the political continuum,
The extreme far right is actually anarchy. There is no leader and every person is basically on their own to set their own rules for themselves. Such it was when the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. The contract they all agreed to while they were on the Mayflower was to provide some semblance of order for the new world they were heading for.
After 150 years of this, groups were separating and banding together for common purposes and the Continental Congress was called to provide a constitution for all the recognized “states” at that time.
At that point on the political continuum, the Constitition was moving the away from the “far right.” We were calling ourselves a constitutional republic with each state having elected representatives.
The Progressives had other ideas about how the government should be run and beginning with Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR, they were more concerned with the majority of the people and attempted to water down the power of Congress. Wilson set up the Federal Reserve (much to his regret) which enabled credit expansion, not only for the public, but also for the government.
Thus, we moved more to the Left using democracy (the majority rules) as the guiding political principle.
Many other countries moved farther Left with an Obligarch, meaning there was a central figure who did the will of a small, elite powerful group.
Still further on the Left is Socialism, Communism and Nazism.
The Extremists are really people who have moved outside the continuum and can be placed anywhere anyone wants to put them. But, they cannot and should not be placed on the continuum when the only purpose for doing so is to enhance your own point of view.
The extremists do not want to work within the mainstream of politics and regardless of whether you think the other side does or does not is not justification to call someone who is outside the continuum an “extrmist”. He should be called what he is: an “Outlaw”.
With regards to this DHS report, I think a much more pressing concern is that apparently the Secretary of Homeland Security cannot say whether Al Qaeda represents a greater threat to national security than domestic extremists:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=4625
Clearly there are genuine threats domestically from both sides of the political spectrum. But I sure hope the focus remains on the foreign threat posed by Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists. If not, then we are repeating the mistake of the Clinton years.
There is no such thing as the extreme “right-wing”. It is a delusion of socialists and communists that have with regard to anyone who simply is too braindead to grasp their high-flown views of the world. Facts are just speed bumps to their idiotic lemming-like rush to destruction. Actually, lemmings don’t live up to their reputation – only anti-rightwing freaks. By the way, what is a right winger by any legitimate definition other than what I have posited?
Lastly, where are the hispanic leaders of the U.S. encouraging illegal immigrants to go about legal means to enter our country? Specifically during this recession whereas unemployment and foreclosed homes are frighteningly high?
Nowhere to be seen, that’s where. The majority of hispanic leaders are telling their fellow legal countryman/ countrywoman to look the other way at these law breakers. Or, disgustingly obvious, encouraging the illegal immigrants to continue their journey north. Despicable.
In my town, over the weekend, another illegal alien — with 2 prior DUI arrest warrants — was drinking and driving and drove into the back of the car of a couple of teenagers stopped at traffic light. They burned alive while people — citizens — ran out of restaurants to try to pull them from the vehicles.
Yet, we are not allowed to dare say anything that would paint any negative stereotype of illegal aliens. DHS nitwit Napolitano starts every sentence with “law abiding undocumented immigrants ..”. The police don’t even ask any ID of illegal aliens they arrest on DUI — this guy used different names, had no license or insurance, and was let go everytime. Why are really law-abiding actual citizens — who served their country — being stigmatized for the criminal activity of 19 idiots out of 23 million veterans.
When we have a DHS that refuses to call illegal immigrants criminals — even the ones that commit crimes — and go after any law enforcement who does their job dealing with the illegal immigrant criminals, yet she sends out memos for law enforcement to “watchout” for disgruntled military, someone has to say “enough is enough”.
Napolitano is like the airport security guys who go after the 85 year old grandmother from Peoria, while Mohammed Atta walks by, untouched with a boxcutter.
It looks like if Obamo wants to decapitate (behead) the DHS. The appointment of Janet Soprano, I mean, Napolitano, is similar to the appointment of Ms. Chacon in Spain, a pacifist and very pregnant lady, to Minister of Defense by Mr. Shoemaker (Zapatero).
Ms. Napolitano should start by investigating ACORN, they are the real terrorists, with a capacity for more mischief and fatal consequences that many others, but…what Obamo does? Give them more money. She could get advice from David Gaubatz, who is doing a 50-state research of Islamic Extremism.
http://dgaubatz.blogspot.com/2009/04/ct-research-50-states-tennessee.html
Once upon a time we had a “Red Scare,” where concerns about genuine Communist threats was turned into a witch hunt against anyone who remotely resembled a “communist,” such as civil rights activists and liberals.
Now we have a “Red State Scare,” where unsubstantiated concerns about a weak and ineffectual radical “right wing” has been expanded to throw suspicions on anyone who remotely objects to the ultra-liberal/left agenda, like pro-lifers and people who believe in limited government.
No Sir, I don’t think I’m going to “chill” on this issue. I think the DHS should chill.
Who are you to lecture us, Mr. Mauro?
“The U.S. is likewise changing quickly, due to the huge growth in Hispanics, Muslims, and African-Americans”
I highly doubt this will happen since President Obama along with the progressive Catholic Church are working hard towards achieving social justice which basically means encouraging Hispanics, Muslims and African-Americas to abort their offspring as poor people breed poverty and social justice cannot thrive if there are poor people to deal with; so the plan is to kill them off before they born.
It’s already in the works, been for a while now, something like a third of all African-Americans were being aborted before President Obama got into office and now with the support of the Catholic Church expect that to increase exponentially.
Now does this make me an extremist for pointing out how Progressive Statists socially engineer utopia?
TO: All
RE: Sheesh!
This guy and his Congress are on a ‘roll’!
Check out THIS item.
We’re talking about a switch in the White House that can shut down the internet, if this bill passes. Anyone here watched Seven Days In May recently?
Remember that unit called EComCon? Between this bill and the proposed Civilian National Security Force……I think he could have it pretty well wrapped up.
All that’s needed is a gun-control bill that strips individuals of their right to own a firearm.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The 'fun' just keeps on coming.....]
You’re straining your cred there, Mr Intelligence Man.
The difference in the two reports: The report on left-wing activity is a fine-brush account of groups like ALF, ELF & PITA with actual track records of nastiness. The report on right-wing possible activity is a broad-brush attempt to establish a narrative that may prove handy to the present administration and that was rushed out to cast the perfectly legit Tea Parties in an ominous light.
You didn’t just try to minimize that difference, you tried to pretend it doesn’t exist.
The author is way off the mark. A fool could see that this was a timed blatant attack against the right. It was lacking in any kind of content and appeared to have been haphazardly written in a matter of days. Defining right-wing extremists (terrorists) in the way they did is repugnant. Its rare on PJM to come across a piece like this, one that basically supports the use of the DHS to chill and antagonize political speech.
TO: Charlie, et al.
RE: Speaking of Tea Party Activities….
“The report on right-wing possible activity is a broad-brush attempt to establish a narrative that may prove handy to the present administration and that was rushed out to cast the perfectly legit Tea Parties in an ominous light.” — Charlie
I watched a video on ReasonTV, linked to by the Blogfather. In it they’re talking about a ‘million man march’ type of event in Washington on Independence Day. Probably with other gatherings around the country like last Wednesday for those who can’t quite make it to DC to lay our grievance on the Capital Steps.
I wonder what the Lefties will make of THAT?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[If you think the abuse is bad now, just wait....]
I’m particularly impressed by his comment that their ilk won’t believe ANY facts until someone kicks them in their ‘big fat behind’.
It is a fact. Arguing with an Idiotlogue (such as a vivo or a David S) is like spitting into the wind.
…defending the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as they gave their oaths to do.
The domestic enemies of the Constitution are a little too close & numerous for comfort.
Our President today just flip flopped (again) on prosecution of CIA/legal staff on “torture”. His moveon.org supporters (recall Barack’s $750 million campaign war chest), frustrated that Bush/Cheney were never impeached, are calling in their chits and demanding their their President extract his pound of flesh from the “Bush adminstration”.
What bothers me about this situation is not the DHS report specifically. I’m worried about right-wing violence as much as left-wing violence. The problem is that there is no distinction in the vocabulary. On CNN and among Democratic congresspeople, people worried about out-of-control spending have been called “right-wing extremists”. In the DHS report, people who blow up buildings have been called “right-wing extremists”. By the first standard, I guess they think I’m a right-wing extremist. And yet I’m certainly not the latter.
But there has been no effort by the administration to temper the language or mark the distinction between policy critics who respect the political process and freely assemble under their constitional rights (as in Tea Parties), and the next Oklahoma City bomber.
They are using the same label for both, and that bothers me a great deal.
To the Left :
As a housewife and knitter, not to mention true and honest conservative I consider it a very great compliment to be called ‘a right-wing extremist’ being both anti-abortion & a second amendment supporter. — I’ve never been considered dangerous of anything, in my entire 57 years. Though, don’t get me angry when I have a pair of size 1 knitting needles in my hands!!
Feisty old woman, I am.
Listen, Liberal fools, go ahead fear conservatives more than you fear the real threats this world offers, you (who) are so delusional as to believe Al Gore and Your Lord & King, B. Obama, obey them… do everything they say to do… Walk lock-step into the future, fearing conservatives, worshiping at Obama’s feet as if he was the Christ- it is very amusing to watch you call us brainless machines when it is really you who are brainless machines– Obamabots, indeed!
Believe everything the media and Obama tells you? I was smarter at 40!
Darn – I thought my fellow Americans were a lot smarter than buying this load of manure! In that it was about time for a black president I am glad we had the sense, finally, to look beyond color, but I wish it could have been someone else than this arrogant socialist, USA hating rogue.
Oh, well, each generation seems to have to learn all the old lessons in new way.
And, of course, it was meant as both a threat and warning. If you voice your opinion and speak your mind as a conservative you are in danger of being on some sort of list of extremists. “No conservative need apply!” prejudice and hate, that is all this is about! You are not doing everything you accused President Bush of doing, congratulations – ever hear of projection?
So goes the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Like Lincoln said, the danger comes from within!!!!
#168:Chuck Pelto:Thanks for the heads up;this crew thinks the USA is the next Venezuela.
“You are not doing everything you accused President Bush of doing, congratulations – ever hear of projection?”
Should read… “Are you not doing everything you accused President Bush of doing? Congratulations! ever hear of projection?
There now, I can rest in peace, I’ve had my say about this sorry memo and presidency in a very public place. I needed to vent, bad.
For the rest of you – I mean the conservatives, did you ever think this could happen in the USA? darn, I didn’t – My family fought against this sort of sickness in two world wars in Europe. Sick and awfully sad that their youngest daughter must face it in her 50′s.
God bless our founders, may their words never fail or fade.
Chill out? Sure, no problem. I mean, what could possibly be so bad when the individuals who run this country characterize policy differences as being symptomatic of rightwing terrorism? And who could question the timing of this report’s release. After all, no nationwide event was going on at exactly the same time whose participants could have aspersions cast on them because of this report. There is nothing to worry about or complain about at all. Those who do so are just irrational whiners aren’t they Mr. Mauro?
In this administration anyone right of hard left is the enemy.
See Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals….
“I highly doubt this will happen since President Obama along with the progressive Catholic Church are working hard towards achieving social justice”
Bla Bla are you saying the liberal side of the C. church is pro abortion? the catholic church progressive or not has not promoted abortion in the S Americas or anywhere as far as I can tell
“Social Justice” is a term Carl Marx coined for his fellow travelers to sell to the uneducated masses nowing full well It sounds good but the trueth is there’s never any Social Justice or any Justice at all under a totalitarian Govt.
“Our President today just flip flopped (again) on prosecution of CIA/legal staff on “torture”. His moveon.org supporters (recall Barack’s $750 million campaign war chest),”"
and he’s starting in the first 100 days
As in all Marxist takeovers, by ballots or by bullets, sooner or later they take revenge, there’s a “Night of the Long knifes”
Boris,
Meh! McVeigh was a piker compared to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Che, PolPot, et al. Nobody mass-murders like a doctrinaire leftie! Our wackos murder by the dozens; yours by the millions. Hells bells, you guys get all clever with it, as well – Re-Education Camps, Gas chambers, etc. You guys even come up with cool slogans like Great Leap Forward, Worker’s Paradise, the Third Reich. Your main man FDR, feeling left out, even did a “simulation” with the Japanese internment camps. I feel your pain, bro. I mean, if you can’t earn it, take it. If you can’t take it, invent a wacko philosophy that justifies killing for it.
But there has been no effort by the administration to temper the language or mark the distinction between policy critics who respect the political process and freely assemble under their constitional rights (as in Tea Parties), and the next Oklahoma City bomber.
An excellent point.
Two explanations spring to mind (there may be others)…
1. DHS/the administration is intentionally & conscientiously blurring the lines between genuine protest and the actions of a marginally sane bomber of a federal building;
2. Janet Napolitano is dumber than a box of rocks.
tanstaafl… OMG! That video is shocking to say the least (especially considering it’s from 1985). Not sure which poster said it but it bears repeating…it truly explains the mindset of Vivo, One Of My Own, David S, Pat J, etc. I truly hope they watch it and see themselves in it as we do. Truly.
I am forwarding it onward to several media outlets in hopes that it will get picked up. Keep your fingers crossed.
TO: GregGS
RE: That…..
…or Kristallnacht. Or even more likely, St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Be prepared.... -- Boy Scout Motto]
TO: AThinkingPerson
RE: Heh
As the guy in the video said, it won’t help them figure it out. Not until something kicks their ass to the ground and then, maybe, they’ll figure it out…..when someone puts a gun to their head. And then, maybe they’ll know. But then it will likely be entirely too late.
So sad…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. As the guy in the video said, it’ll be the totalitarian they helped put in place who will be pulling the trigger on them……
And that’s the REAL irony.
P.P.S. And a BIG THANK YOU to the vaunted American public education system, for getting US here…..
I linked to part II of the video.
In part I, he lays out “ideological subversion”, which feels too familiar these days.
Part I
GregGS….This is a perfect example of why they are called the looney left. They have shown 1000 times more concern for terrorist being made uncomfortable while being interrogated as compares to the Americans whose heads were cut off by the same sect of terrorist. As far as I remember the beheadings was a one day story, whereas this is a story that never ends.
UBL is probably sitting in a cave somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan and laughing his head off at how big of idiots we are. Go ahead libdems and release Gitmo detainees onto the streets of America, and write up a terrorist bill of rights while your at it, do everything possible to make the world love us and respect us again. What a bunch of pussy liberals.
Everyday I live I am more convinced. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Does anyone elce see the UN puke blue color on DHS seal? Ummmm.
Mr. Hurley #15 – you picked up on my “tongue-in-cheek” comment. But seriously, when someone makes a comment like “… Their quick and efficient drawing of arms,” the stereotype is not about gun ownership, but irresponsible use of guns and a “ready-fire-aim” mentality.
What the left continues to do is make conservatives “racist” because of their opposition to what is going on since BHO took office. What I surmise based on my own readings is that most take offense not to his being an African-American, but the lunacy of his beliefs and actions as “our” President.
Also, as I posted on another blog, one big potential source of terrorists are the inmates who are being converted to Islam while in prison. These disaffected people have plenty of reason (in their own minds) to be against this country even though they are the ones committing crimes. But as usual, it is always someone else’s fault. DHS should be putting out warnings about inmates who convert to Islam and are supported by Muslim groups following their release. But typical government, they waste their time and our money on red herrings. They should just get their asses in gear and go after the “low hanging fruit” of which there is plenty without targeting protesting conservatives.
tanstaafl,
I’m from Arizona, and I can tell you that Janet Napolitano isn’t stupid. That leaves us to those other explanations.
And I mispelled constitutional.
TO: All
RE: Just a ‘Thought’, But…..
….could all of their fear about ‘right-wing extremists’ be so much ‘projection’?
Whenever I’ve seen this sort of behavior, as manifested by the DHS and Axelrod and others, it’s always been an indication of what THEY are likely to do….given the opportunity. I’ve seen it in my ex-wife, accusing me of being ‘manipulative’—as she moved all of our money into accounts under her name. I’ve seen it with the likes of the Left who accuse us of being racists, when they’re the ones who do the vast majority of the race-baiting.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Projection, v. Accusing someone of what you do yourself.]
TO: Leatherneck
RE: Interesting Observation
It reminds me of the color Obama used for his “President-Elect” seal. And it was 90% that color.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Letting their true colors show through.]
TO: All
RE: Heh
What was I saying up in item #168 of this thread?
Well, guess WHAT!
Here’s the ‘killer’ quote….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Somehow, the resurrection of this item over at the Volokh Conspiracy strikes me that they’re seeing the potential for this issue as I am….i.e., it’s coming…..
Oh please. This memo was clearly politicized and was written by a left wing political ideologue. The only right wing nut we ever had was Timothy McVeigh and notice how we supported sending him swiftly to the grave. By far most domestic terrorists and presidential assassins have been left wingers. As have most facist dictators. And notice what happened to the lefts domestic terrorists. They were all released from jail for some reason and were warmly embraced by liberal communities and even given tenure at presitigious liberal universities. Hell, even our current president was best friends with lefist domestic terrorists… So if anyone needs to be concerned about extremism it’s the left. And a lot of these organizations and crimes labeled as “right wing hate groups” are dubious at best. Apparently being a Neo-Nazi makes you right wing even though Nazism is short for National Socialism. And a lot of these left leaning workers unions hate illegal aliens more than we do. Not to mention this is a very right wing blog and I’ve seen virtually zero negative remarks about Jews or Israel.
Perhaps Mr. Mauro would care to comment about this:
http://homelandsecurityus.com/?p=2659
And no, I’m not surprised…not in the least.
The Left DHS report is not a good counter-point
Leftist apologist like mauro don’t seem to understand just because they can point to some left wing DHS documents (which has nothing to do with what the democrat party believes in.) doesn’t mean the government has this power ethier way. However, the leftist side is in complete power and they expect their base to come to their defense by using the BUSH CARD. Not only that but at least in the LEFT WING DHS report real radical orginizations were named “The Hacktivist”, “environmental extremists”, “Earth Liberation Front”, “Anarchist”, “Internet Liberation Front”,”animal rights extremist”. All of which are still relevent today unlike in the DHS report about right wingers.
Think about it. People who defend the DHS reprot are saying the democrat party believes in cyber attacks, communism, anarchy, etc?
Because by that logic I can only infer anyone who does is sticking up for those tactics and prinicples. So do leftist claim to stand for those things?
lastly, the far-right DHS report was far worse because it attacked the beliefs system of your everyday conservatives. It lumped us all together with past loons who nolonger exist nor are relevant. It attacked our military men as nothing more than trigger happy treasonous racists, though they’ve been fighting a war in iraq for 8 years protecting our freedoms abroad. They never labeled the leftist VIOLENT nor did DHS attack what left wing democrats believe in.
The real threat is THE ISLAMIST. But it seems neither sides wants to address that. Because muslims don’t mess around. You attack them in anyway shape or form and you’ve got a real jihadist problem on your hands. The DHS knows this.
Below links of others who have commented on this.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/are_you_a_right_wing_radical_o.html
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/04/obamas-real-terrorists-targeting-patriots-and-the-right.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/14/the-execrable-dhs-report-on-right-wing-extremism/
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/14/american-legion-to-napolitano-apologize/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/dhs_on_left_wing_and_right_win.html
Ben Johnson said: “The report shows its greatest oversight in sweeping under the rug the galvanizing effect the government’s misdeeds had in creating the militia movement — especially the BATF’s assault on Ruby Ridge and the standoff at Waco. The DHS’s historical fiction ignores the stated motivation of the deadliest domestic terrorist, Timothy McVeigh, calling him an example of the “small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war.” The report did not specify the psychological effects he or other veterans may have encountered during the 100-hour Gulf war. (The thrill of victory?)”
I followed up with: Isn’t funny they never say these things about the jihadist? When they mention the Jihadist though it’s always the same old line they’re poor, unfed, and uneducated. The hypocrisy and double-standard is so blatant it’s almost impossible to believe the government could be so dumb as to put out this DHS report. Furthermore, you neglected to mention mcveigh was infact a agnostic. He rejected his Catholicism. He did vote for a libertarian once but that’s only because he saw eye to eye with Harry Browne on how ridicious Gun-control laws are. Moreover, The Libertarians considered him a fraud as well for not following their “nonaggression” prinicples. He also associated with right wingers, but that’s like calling me a left winger, because I associate with Leftists. Behind all those mask of deception in reality Mcveigh was as the joker remarked to two-face in the hospital scene nothing more than, a AGENT OF CHAOS. Government mishandlings of waco and ruby ridge just being his trigging influences.
Read his conclusion in the link below. Infact, read both reports and don’t listen to Ryan. He’s obviously placating to the left.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=785AAAA3-DDEE-4A3B-85CC-7D5E13CD0F0A
“In December, a murdered right-wing extremist, said to be infuriated by President Obama’s election victory, was found to have acquired components for a “dirty bomb.” Prior to that, two skinheads were arrested before acting on their plan to kill President Obama and go on a killing spree that would take the lives of 88 people, including 14 African-Americans who would be beheaded. In July 2005, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported that about 60 right-wing extremist terrorist plots had been foiled since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The memo is correct in warning that the current political and economic environment could result in an increase in such activity.”
What makes these people RIGHT WING? Since when is blowing up buildings, wanting to kill obama, and the targeting of african americans with the intent to kill right wing principles? Further more, that’s not even right wing extremism. For example: ann coulter is what is considered right wing extremism. Alrigh, ryan! This DHS report is talking about Nazism, KKK movements, and milita men who are survivalist, these people are not right wingers nor are they even right wing extremist. The DHS just slapped the label “right wing extremist” on their current report to give apologist that impression. It’s a very orweillian move. It’s newsspeak, wise up.
“The memo specifically mentions that civil rights organizations are finding an increase in crimes against Hispanics and provides examples of right-wing extremists suspected of planning violent attacks on Hispanics and immigrants crossing the border.”
If our government won’t do anything about the open boarder threat what do you expect people to do? Come on ryan dig up statistics that show how many of those hispanics are illegally crossing our boarders and kidnapping and killing americans. Also look up how many americans are defending the canadan boarder.
LMAO @ reling on civil rights organizations.
ZAC D.:
Remember this when calling people left or right
Left all large expanding and oppressive government
Nazi socialist Communists
Center Limited Government
America back in the day a Constitutional Republic
Right anarchists No Government
Somalia
Ann Coulter is a Centrist.
Conservatives are for less government???Don’t make me laugh…conservatives want to FORCE their religious/social values on the WHOLE (heck) World…not just the USA. They want to dictate moral law and enforce it in much the way the Taliban is now doing in Afghanistan. When conservatives clean up their OWN cesspool, then, I’ll listen a little more closely to what they have to say about moderates and liberals.
TO: All
RE: billybob
Any bets on billybob being an Islamo-Fascist ‘fan’? If not an outright ‘supporter’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Projection, v., Describing in others what you are yourself.]
“They want to dictate moral law and enforce it in much the way the Taliban is now doing in Afghanistan” 200.(BillyBob) ….wow, you are SO insightful.
Your comment reminds me that my women’s group from church is getting together this afternoon to make plans for preventing the neighborhood girls from going to school. We’re supposed to come up with creative ideas for making them afraid to leave their homes.
Tomorrow we’ll be meeting with some of the 13 year olds to explain to them that when they are forced to marry some smelly 65 year old man next week, he actually does have the right to beat them (publicly) and that they need to understand that that’s the rule.
Later in the week, my husband will be beating me to keep me in line. (He’s a conservative Christian as well)
I’m going to have to recheck the Saturday schedule, but I believe that’s when we go to the city park to beat up homosexuals. I’ll be getting my bat back from the woodshop Saturday morning.
And then, just to top things off, on Sunday morning, we church ladies are going to repent ourselves of our foolish ignorance and kill a few Christians in our church parking lot after coffee to try to correct the damage we have done.
Wow. I think I see what you mean. We ARE just like the talley-ban. You really should contact bambi. He needs you in his AfPak planning. You are the man!
Any Conservative that votes or moves in the direction of Big Gov. is not a real conservative they are watered down like Gov. of California they are the problem with the Republican Party…Subterfuge is the problem
Any one can call themselves a Conservative then
turn around and do the opposite for media affect
and give us a black eye and creat problems
I would call the so called “Compassionate Conservatism” ….Subterfuge BABY!
Conservative do not force morality, WE just suggest our moral way of life , you go act any way you want dig your own grave just stop taking us with you.
w/apologies to Billy Bob…as I reflected on my post (202), I realized I totally misconstrued what he was saying…
HE was talking about the fact that I slapped a 6 year old last week for missing Sunday School.
Tuesday, I threw rocks through the flower shop windows (owner is a homosexual, doncha know).
Then, on Wednesday…oh, I hate myself for doing this…but I caught a neighbor parking at the local bar and getting ready to go in for a drink. Couldn’t help it–I had to key his car after he had gone in. That likker is devil drink, ya know.
Now this afternoon, I confess, I’m going to be meeting with another conservative Christian. We suspect that one of the teenagers in our church is pregnant, so we’re going to work up plans to out her on Face Book.
My husband WILL be beating me, as I mentioned in the earlier post, but it’s only to keep me in proper Christian submission. I spent too much on flowers last week (for the garden, but it’s my own fault: he TOLD me I had $10 for the season, and I ran it to $15…and you know how those conservative Christian men about their wives obeying them and all)
So, yeah, you’re right. You got me dead to rights. I can’t WAIT to get my hands on YOU, BillyBob and MAKE you listen to HOURS of Jerry Falwell tapes! And we won’t even let you have water with it.
You, sir, are an ignorant, ignorant, IGNORANT man. And are stuck with it, I guess, since you are also arrogant.
I’m from Arizona and Nepolitano was a disaster. During a period of great increases in income she turned a multi billion dollar surplus for the state into a mutli billion dollar deficiet.
She was an carpetbagger then and a political hack now. She is just pushing her ideology as always, no surprises. Just look at what she signed. Left wing dangers were actual orginizations. Right wing dangers are vast numbers of individuals that don’t agree with the New Order.
TO: Meryl
RE: billybob…..
….is more than likely another homosexual who is upset that people don’t agree with his socio-political agenda and wants to silence them by accusing them of doing things that he REALLY wants to do, i.e., ‘projection’.
RE: You Retorts
Witty ‘killers’!
You have a finely honed sense of satire, of the darkest form. And you wield it as if it were a famous katana in the hads of an accomplished Samurai.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Wit makes its own welcome, and levels all distinctions. No dignity, no learning, no force of character, can make any stand against good wit. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
Yes, it’s ridiculous that Napolitano and other high-level officials in the Obama administration are cleansing their vocabularies of terms like “Islamic extremist,” yet willingly use the term “right-wing/left-wing extremist.” However, by the same token, it is equally ridiculous to condemn the use of the latter term and not the former.>>
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Say what?
Is the author of this garbage on the kool-aid?
Where in the DHS document does it use the term left wing extremist? In fact the term left wing extremist is never used by the MSM or the current government.
The condemnation of the DHS memo was not the use of the term right wing extemist, but rather to whom it was applied.
Ryan Mauro you have lost it, assuming that you have ever had it.
Mr. Mauro, are you really failing to see any meaningful distinction between the left wing cyber attack memo and the right wing extremism memo? The left wing memo doesn’t contain gross characterizations about the motivations of these groups, it names names, and it provides specific details of their activities. Quite the opposite is true regarding the right wing memo, and the details it does provide are mostly wrong (e.g. “machine gun plot against Mexicans). If you can believe they released this thing the day before Tea Parties without political motivation I have a land deal in Florida for you. This was a naked attempt to delegitimize conservative opposition, exactly as Bill Clinton tried with tying McVeigh to Limbaugh.
Yes, there are all types of extremists. But there is only one type of alleged extremist threat that is used to justify subsidizing a vast, unnecessary branch of the Justice Department and to justify allowing private advocacy groups to impose subjective and private oversight of law enforcement policies through the hate crimes industry.
David Axelrod runs the show in the Obama/Ayer/alinsky public policy team. He is a brilliant strategist and propagandist. We are seeing his insidious program t suppress opponents in peration.
Axelrod is the Doctor Goebbels o the Socialist-Democrat party. He is their “Secretary of Public Enlightenment and Propoganda”. He was the promulgator of the BIG LIE approach in Nazi Germany, the force that roused the masses of National Socialists in Germany in the 1930′s.
heck out “Joseph Goebbels” on Wikipedia: its spooky.
“two skinheads were arrested before acting on their plan to kill President Obama and go on a killing spree that would take the lives of 88 people, including 14 African-Americans who would be beheaded.”
So, two losers who wanted to kill the President and 88 people including 14 African-Americans — but were arrested before they could — and, of course, our old friend Timothy McVeigh, forever available as a demon, even after death — are all that is required to validate the good, old right-wing extremist trope once again.
Even though leftists have actually succeeded in killing people and damaging property, we still need to be more worried about all those apochryphal right-wing extremists.
Sigh…
TO: Ryan Mauro[on]
RE: Heh
I think you walked into the wrong ‘bar’ and called everyone having a friendly drink and conversation something they consider VERY BAD. The resulting donnybrook looks to be rather ‘one-sided’.
Better go get your ‘friends’ and have them with you next time.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[When going to a barroom brawl, bring all your friends, before you call everyone there a @#*&^-#@(&*@#!!!. -- Marine Corps Rules for Barroom Brawling]
P.S. Better make sure your ‘friends’ are better equipped and trained in barroom brawling then the hapless people who supported you here….
191. Chuck Pelto:
TO: All
RE: Just a ‘Thought’, But…..
….could all of their fear about ‘right-wing extremists’ be so much ‘projection’?
Whenever I’ve seen this sort of behavior, as manifested by the DHS and Axelrod and others, it’s always been an indication of what THEY are likely to do….given the opportunity. I’ve seen it in my ex-wife, accusing me of being ‘manipulative’—as she moved all of our money into accounts under her name. I’ve seen it with the likes of the Left who accuse us of being racists, when they’re the ones who do the vast majority of the race-baiting.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Projection, v. Accusing someone of what you do yourself.]
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I’ve also seen this exact same behavior in my dem grandmother. She could never believe anyone was altruistic becasue *SHE* was always looking for what was in it for her? Her resentment over government programs wasn’t that they existed, but that she couldn’t get in on them.
Please, please, please..the SLC..my God man, can one not come up with a group so steeped in it’s hate of anything not black, brown or other..just it’s hate of European white people. Give me a break..One only need read their site and what they say.
Secondly,
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/22/BABH176A4V.DTL
This is the link to the only American domestic terrorist out there..and he is not a right winger. The groups to worry about seem to be of the “other” political persuasion..but one would ever know it.
206 Chuck Pelto
Thank you, kind sir.
These idiots just make me so mad, sometimes I must spit nails.
Chuck Pelto–further–
I am one more who will no longer be silent.
Appreciate your comments about the author of this nonsense apparently stumbling into the wrong bar. I do believe they are quite “caught off stride” by the steadily increasing #s and
%s of previously compliant and quiet citizens who are, in one form or another, simply saying, “No more.”
Lead on.
Mauro misses the point, no one denies that there are right wing extremists in the country who want to do bad things, but the DHS report was so politicized and amateurish that it might have been written by a Ward Churchill undergraduate student. The report on left wing extremism identified specific left wing extremist groups and specific past actions giving good reason for suspicion.
But there was no mention in the Napolitano report of specific groups: not even neo- Nazis, skinheads, Ku Klux Klan, etc. and it admitted up front that they could find no specific evidence of illegal behavior linked to right wing extremism. With the resources of the U.S. government at its disposal they could surely have found something specific to write about. If the report they issued is all they had then they should have gone back, done more research, and published more specific information instead of issuing guidelines so broad and so vague that almost half the adults in the country would qualify as right wing extremists.
They might as well have saved themselves the trouble and just said a right wing extremist is anyone who voted against Barack Obama.
216. Meryl,
You rawk, woman! You totally cracked me up!
I hope whatever is ailing you is healed soon. I’ll say a prayer for you to get well soon, hon. I love your posts and would miss your presence here if you had to be gone for long…
(((supportive hugs))),
Delia =0)
TO: Steve, et al.
RE: I Disagree
I don’t think Mauro[on] misses the point. I think he’s bought into the whole meme. He’s just another one of these characters telling US all to SHUT UP!
Be prepared. Why? Because when we don’t ‘shut up’, they’re probably going to become more vociferous.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Gird up your loins......]
TO: Meryl
RE: You’re….
….welcome, dear lady.
Keep up the Go[o]d work….
….we’re all excited.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men and women to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke (paraphrased)]
TO: ked5
RE: Yeah….
….that’s pretty much how it works. And the people who have the biggest problem with it are the ‘liars’. As the comment goes….
The liar cannot believe that people are telling them the truth, as they think everyone else on this ball o dirt is a liar too.
Liked the comment about your grandmother….
Reminds me of another comment I came across years ago…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[There's a price for too much arrogance, a price for too much greed, and in complacent ignorance we've sown the whirlwind seed. -- Don Simpson]
What the memo and Mr. Mauro’s essay on it, shows is the left’s complete ignorance as to who joins the military and what kind of training they recieve.
From the time young people are sworn in until they recieve thier DD214, it is drilled into them to obey the law and to support and defend the Consititution. Duty, honor and country are not just words to 99.99 percent of all veterans. Most leftist would know honor and duty if they bit them on the leg.
Further, military service is not about violence, it is as Heinlein put it in Starship Troopers:
“War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government’s decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him…but to make him do what you want to do. Not killing…but controlled and purposeful violence.”
TO: G-man
RE: And THAT….
….is EXACTLY what scares the living s— out of the Leftists. Hence the memo and Mauro[on]‘s supporting of it.
It also might be a key factor in why Obama wants this Civilian National Security Force that is as well funded as the US military. I wonder what sort of oath the volunteers for THAT organization will take…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Why am I suddenly reminded of the Hitler’s SS?
Here’s a parallel from the past….
These were the ‘special service’ people who did the things that the regular German Army wouldn’t do. And, like the Praetorian Guard of the Caesars, they protected the person of their leader from physical attack.
TO: All
RE: I Agree!
Conservatives Call on Napolitano to Resign!
And for more reasons than just what is discussed in THIS thread.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. It is my considered opinion that Napolitano is the “Jocelyn Elders” of the Obama administration….
We should definitely be concerned about the far rights recruitment of returning vets. They are obsessed with guns and para military hardware and are looking for racists with knowledge of warfare and weapons training. They hide out and create militias and subversive organizations that teach hatred and misinformation about our country and it’s history in preparation for what they think and hope for, the upcoming race wars. They want to overthrow the government of the United States, they want to get rid of Blacks and Jews and establish a whites only country and setup Christianity as our national religion. The DHS report was right, they just went about it the wrong way.
TO: All
RE: JackT
Got that everyone? Everyone who EVER served in the US military, and took an oath to lay down their life for the Constitution of the United States is an ‘Enemy of the State’.
Either that or JackT is an interesting agent provocatuer.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. And Napolitano thinks US military guys are the ‘problem’. Or even the ‘skinheads’. But then again, I suspect she thinks she’s got a GREAT ally in JackT.
We’re talking ‘True Believer’ of the first water with JackT, here…..
TO: JackT
RE: Maybe You Should….
….read Meryl’s comments to billybob here at items #202 and #204 in this thread.
Pour yourself a nice bourbon, as you’re going to need an anesthetic first.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Alcohol! The last gift of the relenting gods. The simple word that makes life's crossword puzzle easier to elucidate. - Lennie Lower]
The average liberal sees black as white and white as black,right is wrong and wrong is right, up is down and down is up,and water runs uphill.Is it any wonder our liberal government is turning us into a third world country?
TO: Will
RE: Indeed
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]
TO: All
RE: Janet Napolitano Must Be Replaced
The paragraph provides ALL the justification necessary.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....Obama is incompetent.....]
The Unabomber had Al Gore literature. The obvious conclusion is that anyone possessing Al Gore literature is a terrorist. The only American terrorist on the FBI most wanted list is a PITA Leftist. Left-wingers are much more likely to be terrorists. There is no evidence that Timothy McVeigh was a member of any Right-wing organization or was a follower of any right-wing leader (if he were, the media would be reminding of this non-stop).
So! — The Euro-peonized “Democratic” potty activists that have long owned and controled the machinery of feral gummint and who operate it to the exlusive benefit of their kind and of their cronies and who Goebbelsesquely use its bully pulpit to promulgate and to project the FasciSSocialist Psychopathology have now also abjectly Europeonized the “mind” set in which they formulate their pronouncements and the language in which they spew them.
And so, as in sunny down-town Vienna and in the Berlin shadows cast by the former reichstag, “Right Wingers” — in the fevered imaginations and wild and crazy and delusional fantasies of activist “Democrats” — is now the term for any similar to all of those whose Euro-barbarasm, from Marx and Lenin though Mussolini and Stalin — and that pair’s first cousin, Hitler — and Mao and Ho and Castro and Pol and Saddam and Chavez and Juang and Hu Jin Tao has occupied what passes these past couple hundred years or so for the Euro-peon mind. While consuming Trillions of Dollars of Americans’ confiscated treasure and soaking up hundreds of gallons of our beloved fraternal republic’s young men’s blood.
Is their term, that is, for us.
But, as Mr Barry Goldwater once observed, and I would also remind them “… extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!” And remind us, also — and also remind those that would — no! — Make that: Already do! — employ the machinery of government to contain our liberties — that nor is ” … moderation in the pursuit of justice (a) virtue!”
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles CalifUBAMBIcated 90028
And the Far Abroad
The only problem I have with the new Federalist Paper is the association of those who believe in State’s rights, those not apportioned to the Fed, with right wing extremism. 33 States have now passed or are considering the passage of State’s Rights Acts or Bills. I think it’s overreaching on the part of DHS to assume this is a problem for them or in any way portends some revolutionary act.
TO: Lynn B., et al.
RE: Well….
“The only problem I have with the new Federalist Paper is the association of those who believe in State’s rights, those not apportioned to the Fed, with right wing extremism.” — Lynn B.
…it should be obvious. The One cannot rule, absolutely, if any state believes it has rights that could over-rule the federal government.
Therefore, if you believe in ‘states rights’, you’re an ‘enemy of the State’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Totalitarianism will not admit debate.]
P.S. That’s why it’s ‘evil’……
P.P.S. I ‘hope’ all the cretins that elected this character enjoy the ‘change’.
But personally, I have serious doubts as to that……
TO: All
RE: Another Worthless ‘Non-Apology’
THIS
This is getting to be entirely TOO MUCH…..
‘Can’ this worthless politician! SHE is the greatest threat to national security I can see at this point. She’s so totally IGNORANT of where the real threat lies that she even accuses our Canadian neighbors of being part and parcel of the problem. And then has to apologize to THEM!
This woman got into politics as a total idiot. And she has arrived at the proverbial ‘Peter Principle’. National security is too important to be held in the hands of the likes of her.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....Obama is incompetent and putting Napolitano in this important role is just proof of that....]
P.S. And if the American Legion wants to run cover for her….they can go to Hell! Let her come out and say it to the public. Just as the initial report was presented to the public on her behalf……
Billybob @ # 200..
I have never read such silliness in my whole life. The Taliban would hate you a whole lot more then the conservative Christian element. Liberals are their enemy, no doubt about it.
I want know my son pass 3 exam of MCSE course and Juniper certificate. He is failed in gread 11&12 does there such course he is suitable.If so without giving ILTS exam.Then let me know about it as fast as possible.