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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Carterizing&#8221; Tony Blair &#8211; Iran&#8217;s Hostage Ploy</title>
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		<title>By: W. R. Graves</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/carterizing-tony-blair-irans-hostage-ploy/#comment-7625</link>
		<dc:creator>W. R. Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grab their oil fields.  If they&#039;re nice, we&#039;ll give them back.  Nice means no nuclear weapons.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grab their oil fields.  If they&#8217;re nice, we&#8217;ll give them back.  Nice means no nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: RoyStatham</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/carterizing-tony-blair-irans-hostage-ploy/#comment-7624</link>
		<dc:creator>RoyStatham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest that we trade Jimmy Carter for the 15 Brits.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that we trade Jimmy Carter for the 15 Brits.</p>
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		<title>By: LL</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/carterizing-tony-blair-irans-hostage-ploy/#comment-7623</link>
		<dc:creator>LL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what is worrying is the lack of decisive force by the mother ship. &quot;

With what? There were no LOS(line of sight) for the 114mm gun and even that would risk hiting the sailors.

Like with Israel in Summer the whole case shows the diletance of the Western culture.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what is worrying is the lack of decisive force by the mother ship. &#8221;</p>
<p>With what? There were no LOS(line of sight) for the 114mm gun and even that would risk hiting the sailors.</p>
<p>Like with Israel in Summer the whole case shows the diletance of the Western culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About two weeks ago a unit of IRGC came across the border to kidnap a Marine unit operating with Iraqis. The Marine unit responded and broke contact with the loss of an interpreter and two Iraqi soldiers. The ROE are different for the Brits and us, and the Brits are following the orders that they were given. There are NO cowards in the Brit contingent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About two weeks ago a unit of IRGC came across the border to kidnap a Marine unit operating with Iraqis. The Marine unit responded and broke contact with the loss of an interpreter and two Iraqi soldiers. The ROE are different for the Brits and us, and the Brits are following the orders that they were given. There are NO cowards in the Brit contingent.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Brett</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/carterizing-tony-blair-irans-hostage-ploy/#comment-7621</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several factors to bear in mind here. There were 15 naval personnel up against three Iranian gunships - resistance would not have achieved anything but bloodshed. Communications had apparently broken down between the naval personnel and the mother ship.

But what is worrying is the lack of decisive force by the mother ship. The commanding officer is likely to have been instructed not to intervene. It is therefore likely to have been a political judgement that prevented HMS Cornwall from pursuing the kidnappers.

Americans may be bemused about why the British have become suddenly weak in the face of Iranian aggression. The lack of political will is due to the power vacuum at the heart of the British government. Blair is due to step down as prime minister in a couple of months and does not appear to be willing to take any decision that could force a difficult situation on his successor (who is likely to be the Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown). Iraq tarnished Blair and Brown probably doesn&#039;t want to be tarnished by a messy conflict with Iran.

The problem is that this enables Iran to extend its sphere of influence over Iraqi territorial waters, which could enable Iran to close Iraq&#039;s access to the Gulf every time the Iraqis go against Tehran&#039;s interests. British indecisiveness in defending Iraqi territorial waters could bolster Iranian attempts to extend its influence across the Shia crescent, from Pakistan to Lebanon. This gives it a very strong regional power base to export terrorism to the West, as it has done in Iraq, Lebanon and Israel and the Arab Gulf states.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several factors to bear in mind here. There were 15 naval personnel up against three Iranian gunships &#8211; resistance would not have achieved anything but bloodshed. Communications had apparently broken down between the naval personnel and the mother ship.</p>
<p>But what is worrying is the lack of decisive force by the mother ship. The commanding officer is likely to have been instructed not to intervene. It is therefore likely to have been a political judgement that prevented HMS Cornwall from pursuing the kidnappers.</p>
<p>Americans may be bemused about why the British have become suddenly weak in the face of Iranian aggression. The lack of political will is due to the power vacuum at the heart of the British government. Blair is due to step down as prime minister in a couple of months and does not appear to be willing to take any decision that could force a difficult situation on his successor (who is likely to be the Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown). Iraq tarnished Blair and Brown probably doesn&#8217;t want to be tarnished by a messy conflict with Iran.</p>
<p>The problem is that this enables Iran to extend its sphere of influence over Iraqi territorial waters, which could enable Iran to close Iraq&#8217;s access to the Gulf every time the Iraqis go against Tehran&#8217;s interests. British indecisiveness in defending Iraqi territorial waters could bolster Iranian attempts to extend its influence across the Shia crescent, from Pakistan to Lebanon. This gives it a very strong regional power base to export terrorism to the West, as it has done in Iraq, Lebanon and Israel and the Arab Gulf states.</p>
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		<title>By: william jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>william jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again a spineless response to a dangerous ,provocative action. Not unexpected it seems. This ,as Sgt.Friday would say, is their MO.
Thats modus operandi to those too young to remember Dragnet.
Wouldn&#039;t it be refreshing for the British to withdraw any personnel, diplomatic or otherwise from Iran and then seize the Iranian ambassador and all of the  staff. They could hold them incommunicado and seize all Iranian funds and property until the matter is settled.
What could Iran say? Thats illegal. you can&#039;t do that. Sure

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again a spineless response to a dangerous ,provocative action. Not unexpected it seems. This ,as Sgt.Friday would say, is their MO.<br />
Thats modus operandi to those too young to remember Dragnet.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t it be refreshing for the British to withdraw any personnel, diplomatic or otherwise from Iran and then seize the Iranian ambassador and all of the  staff. They could hold them incommunicado and seize all Iranian funds and property until the matter is settled.<br />
What could Iran say? Thats illegal. you can&#8217;t do that. Sure</p>
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		<title>By: winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders why British soldiers didn&#039;t fight back and kill the bastard IRGC thugs if they were well outside of the Iranian territorial waters.

Next time they will shoot back if this happens and I am pretty sure had this happened to American marines, they would have fought back hard and killed the regime thugs. However that seems Europeans always want to learn their lessons the hard way and I am, sad to say, glad that Europeans are getting this treatment which they deserve, for supporting the mullahs for 28 long years. That will be a turning point for Europeans to see that mullahs of Iran have used them to prolong their life and misery of the Iranian people.

By the way, soldiers fight, they don&#039;t surrender!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders why British soldiers didn&#8217;t fight back and kill the bastard IRGC thugs if they were well outside of the Iranian territorial waters.</p>
<p>Next time they will shoot back if this happens and I am pretty sure had this happened to American marines, they would have fought back hard and killed the regime thugs. However that seems Europeans always want to learn their lessons the hard way and I am, sad to say, glad that Europeans are getting this treatment which they deserve, for supporting the mullahs for 28 long years. That will be a turning point for Europeans to see that mullahs of Iran have used them to prolong their life and misery of the Iranian people.</p>
<p>By the way, soldiers fight, they don&#8217;t surrender!</p>
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		<title>By: jebuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jebuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe, just maybe, Iran is simply defending its territory...
Things are bnever as simple as we&#039;d like to believe... Makes for rough going from the &quot;black or white&quot;, &quot;with us or again&#039; us&quot; crowd.
From the Guardian :

Because the two countries have not agreed on updated charts, that means there is no universal agreement on exactly where the border line runs.

If the seizure occurred near the mouth of the Shatt al-Arab - which is likely - the issue becomes even more complicated because Iraq and Iran have never agreed on each others&#039; claim to Gulf waters near the mouth of the waterway.

Without such an agreement, international law requires countries not to extend their territorial waters ``beyond the median line with neighboring states,&#039;&#039; said Martin Pratt of the University of Durham in Britain.

But defining that line is difficult because of conflicting claims to rock formations, sandbars and barrier islands in the shallow waters of the northern Gulf, Pratt said.

As a result, there may be ``legitimate grounds for arguing for a different definition&#039;&#039; of those median lines, Pratt said.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe, just maybe, Iran is simply defending its territory&#8230;<br />
Things are bnever as simple as we&#8217;d like to believe&#8230; Makes for rough going from the &#8220;black or white&#8221;, &#8220;with us or again&#8217; us&#8221; crowd.<br />
From the Guardian :</p>
<p>Because the two countries have not agreed on updated charts, that means there is no universal agreement on exactly where the border line runs.</p>
<p>If the seizure occurred near the mouth of the Shatt al-Arab &#8211; which is likely &#8211; the issue becomes even more complicated because Iraq and Iran have never agreed on each others&#8217; claim to Gulf waters near the mouth of the waterway.</p>
<p>Without such an agreement, international law requires countries not to extend their territorial waters &#8220;beyond the median line with neighboring states,&#8221; said Martin Pratt of the University of Durham in Britain.</p>
<p>But defining that line is difficult because of conflicting claims to rock formations, sandbars and barrier islands in the shallow waters of the northern Gulf, Pratt said.</p>
<p>As a result, there may be &#8220;legitimate grounds for arguing for a different definition&#8221; of those median lines, Pratt said.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope Tony wont become Britain&#039;s jimmy. It&#039;d be bad!
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		<title>By: Joseph McNulty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph McNulty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking the British was a masterstroke.  It was a way to hit back at America&#039;s only real ally and put pressure on Blair to bring British troops home.  Bush is politcally weakened without a direct approach.  The American weakness is political, not military.  This makes it more difficult for America to participate or allow Israel to strike Iran.  Amazingly, uniformed seamen and a seawoman were called &quot;spies&quot; and taken hostage.  Iran just has to hold on to them until Blair bows out of Iraq.  All of our self-congradulation for our &quot;restraint&quot; only means that this techinique can be used again and again by Iran without cost.  The British should have declared a naval blockade until the seamen and seawoman are released.  Real hardball would be for Iran to excute one of the hostages -- on the basis that he was the &quot;ringleader of the spies&quot; -- while sparing the others out of &quot;Islamic mercy&quot; after they admited their &quot;guilt&quot; and apologize.  They will just get long prison sentences.  Welcome to the New World.  Just wait until Iran can supply Al Queda with nuclear weapons -- as long as their fingerprints can be obscured or disputed endlessly in Congressional debates.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking the British was a masterstroke.  It was a way to hit back at America&#8217;s only real ally and put pressure on Blair to bring British troops home.  Bush is politcally weakened without a direct approach.  The American weakness is political, not military.  This makes it more difficult for America to participate or allow Israel to strike Iran.  Amazingly, uniformed seamen and a seawoman were called &#8220;spies&#8221; and taken hostage.  Iran just has to hold on to them until Blair bows out of Iraq.  All of our self-congradulation for our &#8220;restraint&#8221; only means that this techinique can be used again and again by Iran without cost.  The British should have declared a naval blockade until the seamen and seawoman are released.  Real hardball would be for Iran to excute one of the hostages &#8212; on the basis that he was the &#8220;ringleader of the spies&#8221; &#8212; while sparing the others out of &#8220;Islamic mercy&#8221; after they admited their &#8220;guilt&#8221; and apologize.  They will just get long prison sentences.  Welcome to the New World.  Just wait until Iran can supply Al Queda with nuclear weapons &#8212; as long as their fingerprints can be obscured or disputed endlessly in Congressional debates.</p>
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