Campus Apostate: Former UC Irvine Muslim Student Union Member — and Former Muslim — Speaks Out
The following is an interview with “OC Apostate,” a former UC Irvine student who made the decision to leave Islam and the Muslim Student Union at UCI. Though as OC Apostate describes it, the two decisions were not related.
This interview provides a unique firsthand description of the MSU from an insider’s perspective, something usually unavailable to the outside community. As readers will see, OC Apostate did not have an easy time disengaging from the MSU.
Why did you decide to leave Islam and the Muslim Student Union? Were the two decisions related?
My parents were not religious before; they kept the bare minimum. When I was 5, my mother became more religious after meeting a religious teacher. We moved to London to get a better religious education for a year. The Muslim community there is a lot more fundamentalist. No music, avoid non-Muslims, no assimilation, women can’t cut their hair, all kinds of rules. That’s the brand of Islam that influenced me. We came back; I became very active in the Muslim community. I became involved with my high school MSA.AdvertisementBy that time I had exhausted my parents’ supply of religious books, so I began reading secular books and began being exposed to other viewpoints. I soon began to realize that it was not OK to impose my religion on other people.
When I still wore the hijab, I took a class where there was no homework, tests, or anything. Just discussion and debate. This particular class included classmates with very different views, and I found myself having my mind opened on topics on which I thought I had set views. Once, the teacher touched my shoulder and said to me: “So young and yet you know what your whole life is going to be.” That little remark would come back to haunt me.
After I began college, I joined the MSU at UCI. I wrote articles for them, and everyone loved them. I got promoted to the position of section editor — and that’s how I learned about the dark side of the MSU. My writers never submitted their work on time; their excuse was they were always busy protesting or building the apartheid wall. Yelling about Israel and calling in speakers no one liked was more important to them than serving the community. They let a prominent magazine that everyone loved become obsolete because they were too busy hating Israel.
I grew disillusioned with them after that. By that time I had to admit I no longer believed in Islam; I left Islam first, and then left the MSU. It seemed ridiculous to me to continue to represent a religion on campus in which I no longer believed. It was tough but I had to admit it to myself. I felt it was important. I thought I was the only one in the whole world who had ever converted out of Islam, but I started looking around and found a lot of Muslims have converted to Christianity or even to atheism, humanism, and agnosticism. I started a blog in the hopes of helping other ex-Muslims to see that they weren’t alone.
Although I didn’t attach my real name to it, the blog ended up being a bad idea. The MSU figured out who I was. I had one friend left in the MSU; she let me know that, to them, I was an item to be brought up, a nuisance, a problem. People had started talking. It was obvious I wasn’t Muslim — my headscarf was off. I was getting dirty looks from people I didn’t know. I had friends with me who noticed this. One time by the UCI bookstore some woman was staring me down. My friend said, “Look behind you.” We walked away. I didn’t know this woman. How did she know I was an ex-Muslim? I grew uncomfortable. My father told me that people told him that his daughter ought to shut up.
So I shut down the blog for my family’s safety.
Were there any differences in the way people, friends, family, MSU members, or community acted towards you after your decision? Did the MSU’s behavior differ from non-affiliated Muslims at all?
My true Muslim friends weren’t hostile to me. As for the people I knew through the MSU, sometimes I got obviously faked friendly greetings where we used to have good conversations. My interactions with them grew pretty cold and disheartening. I thought I was well-liked by the MSU crowd, but I guess I was only when I was a Muslim. I had friends with me who noticed this.
I had family members ask me if they should even talk to me anymore and wonder to me whether they should let me around their kids. To them, someone who rejects the truth is worse than someone who never knew it. According to their beliefs, people who they think are awful — Zionists, homosexuals, racists, murderers — have more of a chance getting into heaven than I did.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with them or fit into their world doesn’t exist. As shown by the Michael Oren incident, they think that they shouldn’t be allowed to exist or speak.
They have lost touch with what the MSU used to be. I have talked to MSU alumni from the ’90s. Their experiences were different; the MSU was like every other religious or ethnic club on campus, a place for like minds to come together and socialize with each other. It’s now all about political action. They don’t make new students feel welcome. It’s pretty depressing for everyone, Muslims and non-Muslims. They’re too busy building walls and bringing speakers to actually serve as a place for Muslims to meet and socialize.
She’s lucky she doesn’t live in a Muslim country.
Leaving Islam can be fatal, even minor crticism can turn into a disaster.
I’ve seen it first-hand, it’s no joke.
I find her remarks on the financial aid aspect of all this interesting.
On what basis was she eligible for financial aid (grants? no-interest loans?) that she found herself not eligible after her apostasy or after leaving the MSU? (She said that she found herself at that stage only eligible for private loans which put her in debt.) Can you really get grant money solely on the basis of being a Muslim or being a member of a group like the MSU? Is this kind of financial aid paid for by California taxpayers? Anyone know more about this?
Joel, the level of financial aid you can get, particularly if you’re a foreign student in the UC system (don’t know if this applies to our witness, but it might), depends to some extent on your parents’ wealth and whether they’re willing to support you. If our witness’s parents were supporting her financially and then cut her off, she’d need to provide a statement from them or to somehow prove that they weren’t supporting her any more.
That said, I think it’s pretty obnoxious of her to fault the university for failing to “reach out” and “step up” for her. It’s good she’s gotten over Islam; I hope she gets over being an entitled twit.
If she was applying for federal financial aid (FAFSA), then they are exclusively NEED-BASED. If her parents (after her apostacy) refuse to pay for her tuition, WHILE making plenty of money, she can not get financial aid. So her account of her predicament makes perfect sense. Because she would legally be a ward of her parents, and hence her finances connected with those of her parents, at the same time, parents shunning her, or not providing finanaical info, or any number of things can go wrong that can affect decision on her FAFSA.
My understanding was that her parents were paying, but then she had to distance herself from her parents for their safety, and finance school on her own.
My parents were supporting me 100% before; I am not an international student. No special aid is given to Muslims.
When I left Islam, I looked into getting financial aid so that I could move out of my parents’ house because the abuse was escalating. Unless I could prove, via police reports or statements from community leaders (read: religious people), that my situation could lead me to serious harm, I couldn’t get aid as an independent student. After I experienced physical violence, I decided that I’d move out any way I could, and private loans were my only option at that point. I wouldn’t take any of it back, though; my situation vastly improved after moving out.
What you are seeing here (without really seeing it) is a little bit of a glimpse into the rabbit hole.
Few people are aware of how many millions of dollars are fed into our University systems from the Middle East – mostly Saudi Arabia.
This money goes to fund Islamic studies programs, to support Muslim Students AND to fund programs that work to undermine Western Culture and government.
This program works to create both an intellectual elite of Islamic Fundamentalists here to lead the Jihad and to bring up useful idiots to help them to conquer the West
Two prime examples of this can be found in the American “Bin Laden” Anwar Al-Awlaki and in Barack Obama – both of whom were supported by funds provided the Islamic student aid – most of these funds move thru a bureaucratic maze that was created to hide their real purpose.
They understand that if they conquer our educational system, they can undermine our society and eventually plant the boot of Jihad on us and eventually the whole world.
Re: “They can keep yelling about Israel if they want, but they need to grant other people the space to express their views and then let people decide.”
Why hasn’t she reconsidered her view of Israel in the context of her new humanistic values?
How do you know that I didn’t?
Well, did you? The choice of the word “Zionists” sounds rather Progressive, a striding forth from the frying pan and into fire.
I do not know what is in this young woman’s mind regarding Israel. However, “Zionist” ought not to be a pejorative word although it is unfortunately often used that way.
The only time in the piece that I used the word “Zionists” is here: “According to their beliefs, people who they think are awful — Zionists, homosexuals, racists, murderers — have more of a chance getting into heaven than I did.”
I only used the word “Zionists” to echo the wording I heard from MSU. I thought that was obvious, but I guess not.
I assumed that you have, and that your answers to the questions were just answers to the questions.
None of this should come as a surprise, the fear, the intimidation and the MSA’s otherwise political bludgeoning against Israel in particular, and infidels in general.
The MSA is the MAIN student offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, they are akin to positioning on every US campus the Mafia/Cosa Nostra,all wrapped behind the guise of religion, but in reality a political, criminal enterprise.
The Muslim Brotherhood’s goal-long-term strategy- is to implant Sharia in the US through stealth jihad.
Anyone who cares to truly understand the dangers the west faces from the MSA and its offshoots, and to understand what apostates from Islam face, should urgently read, ‘The Muslim Mafia’, by Gaubatz and Sperry.’Infiltration’ by Sperry is another must read.
I implore one and all to do so as life saving measures, and to pass these scrupulously researched books to others once done reading them.
The (mostly) addled west have NO idea what they are facing.Truly frightening…..
Lady Adina Kutnicki, from Israel, Thank you: ‘NEATH AN OSTENSIBLY RELIGIOUS PONCHO—AS JUST ANOTHER WORLD RELIGION—ALL THE WHILE, NOTHING MORE NOR LESS THAN A SCALY INT’L political, criminal organization, . . .
What a true eye opener…
I hope the woman interviewed successfully gains a true American life by finding those who will not shun her for her past involvements. May she be protected from those who would harm her course in life.
Good for her.
This needs to be widely publicized along with the following which the media seems to be ignoring:
The guy who tried to blow up LA International Airport on Millenium Day ( 2000) has now requested US asylum. Unbelievable? The judge is considering his request seriously!! That’s unbelievable!
http://jewishdailyreport.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/muslim-terrorist-applies-for-us-asylum/
It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise intelligent folks can be just so stupid about some things that are just so obviously ludicrous, Allah is not akbar, never has been, never will be.
Yelling about Israel and calling in speakers no one liked was more important to them than serving the community. They let a prominent magazine that everyone loved become obsolete because they were too busy hating Israel…They’re busy ensuring that others have the correct political opinion; mainly, that Israel sucks.
Smart to disassociate from such morons.
I had family members ask me if they should even talk to me anymore and wonder to me whether they should let me around their kids.
I had family members ask me if they should even talk to me anymore and wonder to me whether they should let me around their kids.
Sad when it’s your own family doing that.
Nowhere is it said that the Islam is simply a barbaric religion and not compatible with plumbing or liberty.
The MSU at UC Irvine ought to be shunned with the greatest moral condemnation and possibly even shut down completely. Grow a spine UC Irvine.
Watch (to the end) a MSA devotee in action earlier this year at another UC campus, San Diego.
Allah says: You’ve gotta be a brain dead moron to devote such time and energy to such an irrational hatred
My son went to Utah State University and one of his room mates was a muslim, who was having his tuition paid for by the government – our government. He was given the latest computer, had money for books etc. Why was this guy getting everything from the feds? It made it difficult when he (son) was paying his own way.
Last straw – cat’s skeleton in the garbage!
…who was having his tuition paid for by the government – our government.
Anwar al-Awlaki (you know, that charming fellow hiding out these days in Yemen who had some role in influencing a couple of the 911 guys, the Ft. Hood guy, the underwear guy, the times square guy…)lied on some form about his status and got his education paid for (in full or largely) at Colorado State University.
(later, this ultra pious, married Muslim was nabbed for a couple of incidents involving using prostitutes in San Diego)
In Britain, a lot of anti-western Islamist types live on welfare, I think it’s part of soft jihad to collapse the economic system and, of course, leaves them a lot of time for bomb making and anti-British rants & rallies.
Governments all around really have to stop being so dumb.
I don’t understand how MSU can be so monolithic in its views year after year. Don’t these people ever graduate and move on, leaving room for new people to come in, with new ideas?
Secondly, how come we never see names of MSU leaders printed? Maybe they are locally in Irvine, but I’ve never seen any student names printed, and certainly not the names of the parental units who are financing their “studies” and time in the university system. I suppose it would be too much to ask this anonymous lady to name names, both on-campus names, and the names of whoever told her father there “might be danger”. Shine some of that bright Southern California sunshine on these wannabe ferocious muslim maggots.
Nahncee,
You never see their names printed because they do not want you to discover who they are since they are a subversive organization. I went over to the UCI library and looked at the UCI yearbooks for many years. All the clubs have photos with the clubmembers identified, including the AFG (Afghan Future Generation), however, the MSU has a page, but there are no names or photos and it is this way in every yearbook. Clearly, they do not want to be easily identified. If you look at the yearbook that came out after the Muhammad cartoon brouhaha, you will see that it is green and the theme is “circle of concern”, but, it is definitely a crescent and not a circle. The symbolism is clear.
OC Apostate,
Was Marjan Nilab Wardaki in the MSU when you were? She is now “teaching” the sanitized version of Islam and her biased opinion of Israel at Saddleback Valley college in Mission Viejo(she also instructs at Mira Mesa college). She was elated as she told us how the MSU disrupted Michael Oren’s speech at UCI this past spring.
No, actually. I had not heard of her. My association with MSU dissolved by March 2006.
To this former Muslim student, we support and and please do not feel alone
Please contact formermuslimsunited.org
One of the most interesting things about this story is that a club for co-religionists has been entirely hijacked by a political cause, namely “anti-Zionism.” Mutual support for those trying to live by their religious standards, the study of religious texts, charitable projects, and even simple fellowship are shoved aside for the sake of an ideological obsession.
The university embraces the MSA, which honestly ought to be called the Student Anti-Semitic Association, while invoking the name of religious pluralism and tolerance! In the meantime, the Muslim students who really want an apolitical religious club are out in the cold.
The university embraces the MSA…
It was written here at PJM about a month ago, some group protested the MSA/MSU at Irvine and the group has been banned from campus.
But it was a long time coming, and university administrators have been bending over and spreading ‘em (my opinion) for such kinds of hateful, divisive groups so as not to rock the boat for a very long time.
Hateful spewing can’t be stopped (or even criticized) in the name of “free speech”, the argument goes. The irony that any counter speech is shouted down by MSA types is, of course, lost on them.
Another aspect is that peaceful Muslim students only seeking an education have been intimidated into silence (or into joining) by the agitators.
http://www.exmuslim.net/
This net exist and people who are not 2 affraid of thoes maniacs pisslamists can
put their picture into it,but you can be anonymous as well!
Islam is basicaly a dog turd in the back yard waiting to dry up and blow away.
Given the fact that many terrorists have been and are carrying out some of the most absolutely horrible atrocities against humanity under the banner of their “Islam,” an unusually intense concern for security and safety is now justifiably present amongst non-Muslims for their lives and properties all over the free world, particularly the united states.
Thus, the need for utmost efficiency in our security and counterintelligence methods and practices is vitally paramount.
In that regard, the following proposal can not be without merit:
Our security and counterintelligence apparatus should give a polygraph examination to all individuals who claim, or are known to be “Muslim,” regardless of their professed degree of religious devotion,
and who also want to
- live in America
or
- join the US military services
or
- join the US intelligence community
or
-work at a US intelligence facility,
and be asked this question under examination:
As a Muslim, given that the Koran says “Allah is all knowing,” and knows “what is in the hearts of men,” Must you give your life, or believe a Muslim should, to uphold and or to protect what you or a Muslim understand as
-will
or
-honor
or
-law
or
-cause
of Allah, and/or Islam, ? Yes or No?
This could just as easily have been about a Christian Student Union. Conservative religions are oppressive by nature.
Peace.
DS
It never fails! There’s a David S with a comment equating christanity to islam every time.
It could just as easily have been Christian terrorists that flew jets into the world trade center, or bombed tourist in Bali, or blew up the subways in London, and etc.
Listen Numbnutz! We’ll start to worry about christians when they start to become a threat to the lives of innocent civilians all over the world. Currently Islam presents a REAL and TRUE threat to the world and particularly the west, so in the mean time save your idiotic posts for your pro-islamic sites IDIOT!
“This could just as easily have been about a Christian Student Union. Conservative religions are oppressive by nature.”
Right. The news is just chockablock full of Christian honor killings, Christians disowning their children, Christians proclaiming jihads against cartoonists and artists who mock Christ, and Christian student unions terrorizing college campuses and making them “diversity hellholes”.
Oh sure, all “conservative religions” are the same. Right.
/sarcasm
Great story. Hopefully, many other muslims will come to relazie that there is no peace in islam.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
She is a brave lady, and I wish her the very best of luck. Stay safe! It is a shame that more muslims are not brave enough to throw of the shackles of their bondage.
Good article and good luck to you for choosing to turn your back on violence and suppression within the Muslim faith.
No matter where we get rules that help us live orderly lives, which help minimize chaos, death and destruction, there’s always naysayers. Following some trolls’ logic, I guess traffic rules are oppressive, too. Try being anything but a Muslim of the most popular sect in Egypt/Saudi Arabia/Dubai – oh, try driving in these chaotic countries too.
hmmm…. I guess I am happy for this person.
Truly. It’s hard to leave what you know and venture out in the world.
However, it does seem that the author seems to be a tad naive when it comes to the treatment she is receiving within the community. After all, what did she expect?
A hearty handshake and “best of luck in your future endeavors” goodbyes?
The other point I would like to make, (as tenderly as possible), it that the article does seem to suggest that the author romantically wishes for a “lets get back to business as usual and really talk about how to really get the Jews, (oh excuse me), Zionists out of Israel without all the shout-y stuff”.
The glaring hole in this article is that she never addresses her thoughts about Israel and the Jewish people. And without this important piece of information, the reader must conclude
that she has not changed her mind about Israel and Jewish people.
The article is very weak because it had to be. It has a hollow ring to it, because its a hollow story. I truly wonder if the author wrote a first article, before this one, which expressed her opinions about Israel and the Jewish people. Perhaps after thinking it over, she decided to omit her conclusion. And having opted out of exposing her true nature, went with this version. The thinner, oddly veiled and more ambiguous than the former.
I don’t know. It bothers me because I don’t know.
hmmmm…
But anyhow, really do hope you have broken away, in ALL measures. And I hope you do now acknowledge the existence of Jews, Israel. I truly hope you see this great country as the greatest country in the world, not as the great satan. And I truly hope you have stopped hating anyone that is not a muslim.
Truly….
best of luck
Michelle-
I don’t see why it’s so necessary that OC Apostate amends her views about Israel… the focus of this story is her detachment from Islam and the MSU. It is not about Israel. It is supposed to allow the reader insight into an organization we as Jews are normally excluded from. Personally, I am more fascinated she was able to extricate herself from the Muslim community at all. The article does not even state she was anti-Israel in the first place. Remember, there are MSU members (but only so many) who are not as insanely anti-Israel as the MSU leadership is, who makes the decisions that affects how the MSU portrays itself in public.
If it puts your mind at ease, I was led to OC Apostate through a mutual, very Zionist and very Jewish friend.
~A
Hold on a minute, there. This piece was about MSU and my apostasy, not Israel. Where are you getting your assumptions? That’s really not fair to me. Aaron was more interested in hearing about my story and MSU. I answered his questions, and none of them included “What are your new views on Israel?”
My new view, by the way, is basically the polar opposite of what MSU’s is. It’s not a glaring omission, you’re just looking for something that this article did not set out to accomplish.
I reside not very far from UCI, and have been following the MSA situation there with great interest. What I find most chilling from this account were the not-so-veiled threats that her family received from fellow Muslims at their mosque. We may fool ourselves to believe that the majority of Muslims in this country are of the “moderate” stripe, but these threats would seem to prove otherwise.
As an adjunct teacher at UC-Irvine, I am well aware of this young lady’s story though I have never met her. It is people like her who are deserving of our respect and admiration. We all need to support people like this young lady.
Gary Fouse
adjunct teacher
UC-Irvine, Ext
Raus raus raus, juden raus
As much as the ‘Infidel’ world has suffered from Islam, Muhammeds biggest victims are Muslims themselves.
Muslims are denied basic human rights – freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of association, freedom to question, freedom of conscience, but most importantly freedom to love.
Muslims must submit.
~ The Infidel Alliance
In response to David S #19
Here’s a repost from another PJ blog:
“The current fashionable attitude amongst the atheist cultural elite which essentially lumps all devoutly religious people together is the problem, not the answer.
The psychiatric terms “projection” and “transference” leap to mind whenever I hear some atheist or agnostic, or even a member of one of the more exsanguinated and emasculated forms of Christianity, attempts to draw parallels between fundamentalist Christians and radical Islam. It is the easy thing to do, and tempting, to conflate the Islamists and the religiously zealous of other faiths, but it will always be inaccurate, since there are major and irreconcilable differences for those who observe these faiths rationally and without bigotry towards religion in general and Christianity in particular.
First, at least in Europe and the U.S., the objections to Christian fundamentalists are almost always based on social, economic, and educational institution snobbery, rather than logically thought-out philosophical arguments or dispassionate, accurate assessments of facts on the ground. I am as likely as anyone to prefer attractive, witty, sophisticates (and there are plenty of devoutly Christian people who fit into that category) to fat, ignorant, doctrinaire people who live in shacks or trailers (and it should be obvious that no few atheists that fit that description). Nevertheless, devout Christians (like devout Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) are not, despite a few silly forays into educational policy that are basically defensive in nature, and despite a few extremely isolated, statistically insignificant crackpots, a threat to the beliefs or values of anyone outside of their communities, nor to anyone’s life or limb. Even their most proselytizing groups are not prone to using widespread force to spread or maintain their doctrines, and have not been so to any meaningful extent for centuries (since the end of the Thirty Years War).
Second, the essential nature of Islam as a faith is different than that of other religions. The extreme austerity and abstraction of Islam, combined with the arbitrary justifications for otherwise immoral conduct brought about by what to an observer is an attempt to duplicate precisely the personality and life of Mohammed, create a contradiction that is unique among religions, and makes for a much more dangerous set of conditions than those produced in any other faith groups. Among religions, only Islam has such a high percentage of members who are aggressively, outwardly directed in their willingness to expand by the use of violence and oppression – not as last means, but as a core tactic – and dominated by the need to seek out and, as matter not just of practice but of organizing principle, destroy all evidence of nonconformity.
In truth, the nature of Islam, with its arbitrary, merciless, and impersonal god, resembles a kind of formalized atheism more than anything else. Like atheism it is intolerant, condescending, devoid of humility, and often militant (see atheism in the USSR or Red China) – a preening, self-styled ‘ethical culture’ combined with a set of what are, in practice, unethical moral precepts. Much as there has never been or can be a truly free, democratic, and benevolent atheist nation, so too has there never been a truly benevolent Islamist one, and I suspect there never will be.
A dispassionate look at the facts reveals that Islam, especially (but not only) radical Islam, is more like atheism than it is, despite its pretensions, like any other religion. Most Muslims refuse to deal with this truth. Additionally, with almost no exceptions atheists demonize Christianity in an attempt to deal with their own inability to honestly resolve any cognitive dissonance created by their own similarities to the societies that exist in Islam. This is the reason for projection and transference by atheists in their attempts to draw an unfounded confluence between Muslim extremists and Christianity – instead of seeing the log in their own eye.”
Got it, boy?
Just look at the cover of this month’s TIME magazine for a glimpse of what Muslims (particularly women) experience under Islam. (That’s right – TIME).
I don’t want to dismiss this persons account but I get rather irritated when people claim they know the true nature of Islam and those of us who believe in benevolent Islam are deluded.
I grew up in a devout Islamic household and I can assure you my upbringing was nothing like the one described in the interview. My family was kind, we were taught Islamic practices but under no circumstances was it forced on me or my sister (my sister and I do not live an islamic lifestyle and never have we been harassed for it)….my father never dominated my mother and nor has she or anyone in my family or our family friends suffered any kind of this abuse. I have on several occasions spoken against ceartain ideas of Islam, and my family always respected my opinions.
I have also been to several Islamic countries and while I can’t say that abuses and persecution never happen I can say they are not as commonplace as one might suggest.
The point I am trying to make i while some muslims are as bad as described and abuse does occur in some families, It doesn’t give people justification to call those of us who disagree as ignorant or deluded or w/e. I was in a devout muslim family like heres and I have not suffered any of the misfortunes, I believe that I encountered a truer version of Islam one of benevolence and I believe that my family practiced Islam as it should be practiced and the interviwees family did not and I do not think anybody can say that her family is “really muslim”……
Reading all these comments about trouble makers (Islamic/Muslim),brought
more worry for Our America. We are being attacked from the inside of our government. We now have “Devout Muslims” as head of our Homeland Security.When
was it posted that a devout Baptist, Catholic, Luthern & etc was the head of
?. And wasn’t it devout muslims who brought terror and destruction to America,
murdering our people, shooting up our military bases, taking out the Twin Towers? Can anyone tell me WHAT country they immigrate from? What is their
origin? And WHY do they think they do not have to abide by OUR LAWS? That WE have to live by their beliefs? WHY does OUR government bow to their wishes,
both litterly and figuratively-as our President did? It has been said HE is a devout muslim. IF he is ,it would explain MANY unanswered questions. If he WAS born in Hawaii,why come to America as a foreign student and pay higher fees for college-we know Saudi Arabia paid his way. Also, at that time Americans could not get visas to go to Afganistan or Pakistan, but OBAMA went. HOW? WHY is he using a ss # issued in CT? God help AMERICA!!