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‘Christian Britain’? Left Blasts Cameron for Claim

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Mike McNally

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April 28, 2014 - 11:32 pm
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It takes some doing to get yourself condemned by a couple of dozen leading scientists and a trio of stand-up comedians for the same alleged transgression, but it’s a feat that Britain’s Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron has managed to pull off. His perceived offense? Asserting that Britain is a Christian country.

In an article for the Anglican newspaper Church Times, Cameron said Britain should be more confident about its status as a Christian country, and that Christians should be “more evangelical about a faith that compels us to get out there and make a difference to people’s lives.”

This prompted 55 secularists and atheists to write a letter to the London Telegraph newspaper accusing the prime minister of fostering “alienation and division in our society” and fueling “sectarian debates.” The signatories included leading atheist thinkers and scientists, together with writers and broadcasters, most of whom sit somewhere between soft liberal and hard left politically.

On the face of it, Cameron’s claim doesn’t seem particularly controversial. While religious belief and church attendance are much less widespread than in the U.S., 59 % of Britons described themselves as Christian at the last census; other polls have put the figure closer to 50%, but by any measure those professing some connection to Christianity comfortably outnumber both atheists and other faith groups.

It’s also indisputable that Britain’s laws, customs and culture are underpinned both by the major Christian faiths, and by Judeo-Christian values in general. The Church of England is that country’s established religion (Scotland and Wales have their own national churches), the monarch holds the title Defender of the Faith, and the national anthem begins with the word “God.” When the controversy over Cameron’s remarks erupted, Britain was in the middle of the Easter break, with most of the country enjoying public holidays on Good Friday and the Monday after Easter Sunday.

Cameron has received broad support from the leaders of other faiths, and from political allies and opponents. Farooq Murad, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “No one can deny that Britain remains largely a Christian country.” Vivian Wineman, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said the prime minister’s choice of words was “neither controversial nor problematic.” Christian Labour MPs have backed the PM, and even the atheist and archly progressive Nick Clegg, leader of the Tories’ Liberal Democrat coalition partners, said Cameron’s remarks were “entirely uncontroversial.”

And it’s laughable to accuse him of fostering division. The modern Church of England is up to its eyes in “multi-faith initiatives,” and has been deferential to the point of defeatism in the face of a fast-growing and assertive Islam. The CofE is also tolerant, inclusive, and hang-wringingly liberal; it’s more about social work than the Lord’s work these days, and no one on the left objects when senior figures from it or the Catholic Church attack Conservative policies on welfare or immigration.

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That was a bit of a stretch. Everyone and their uncle knew that Adams was referring to Christianity when he said religious. What America rejected was the idea of a national Church. Historically, America was a incredibly Christian people. Read Democracy in America.
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Cameron is merely the current lightning rod.
Britain's collapse is certainly a traumatic and mighty comedown indeed; and it can be said to have started in earnest during WWII when they were bled so severely physically and financially as their empire collapsed and they hadn't the means or the Will to attempt to maintain it in the face of all of the new nationalisms rising.
Our Marshall Plan helped with the physical rebuilding and re-financing of England and all of Europe in general, but the new anti-colonial multi-culti-think arising and slowly gaining force was simply too big a tide.
What a traumatic come-down for the Britons of Magna Carta, Parliaments, the English language in worldwide use, replacing Latin and Greek, the Bible in English resulting in the King James Version...1611 was just four hundred hundred years ago.....
Now the Muslims have come past way past Vienna and Poitiers and are subversive, infiltrated, belligerent and causing major social problems wherever they congregate, by overt design they're a metastasizing malignancy.

We'd better get our act together.
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Since Monty Python have admitted they'd never dare make a Muslim version of Life of Bryan, it's pretty clear who and what inquisition is expected and catered to - out of pure fear of subway and bus explosions.

If they took a vote tomorrow to heat buildings with the carcasses of aborted babies or Korans, the vote would be 100% for babies.

Hard to understand why these people have turned their backs on themselves or that they once ruled half a world. They can't even rule themselves and a mob of motley immigrants now. They should call themselves "Ol' Suicidal" instead of "Ol' Blighty." What a comedown for some of the smartest people who ever lived.
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Maybe you're right, ApolloSpeaks. But I find it an interesting contrast that you choose to have a nom de blog here, and a website URL, referring to a pagan god. Hypocrisy much?
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It was not for nothing that Benjamine Disraeli converted to Anglicanism (unlike his father Isaac); he also was important in the development of the eminently Christian conception of the social gospel, Christian Socialism, and the welfare state. Cameron is correct: the UK is a Christian country that is being undermined by its own commitment to "diversity." See http://clarespark.com/2011/07/16/disraelis-contribution-to-social-democracy/.
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Howdy Clare
To the degree that "social gospel" and even "Christian Socialism" are personal calls to personal action, I can maybe go along.
The "welfare state" is not a Biblical concept that I can find and the experience of the welfare state is that it is far more harmful than poverty relieved by private charity.
12 weeks ago
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Dont let Cameron fool you. He is just pandering as there are elections looming in May.

Here is David Cameron in 2007.

"It is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around."

Asian is a PC euphamism for Muslims.

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I'm a Brit living in Luxembourg, and during a tour around the west of France over Easter I visited the site of the Poitiers/Tours battle, and reading this you wonder if those who fell there in 732 gave their lives in vain... Anyway if you're in the area it's actually in between the two cities in a village called Moussay-la-Bataille. It's open air, no visitor's centre or gift shop but really well-thought out and lovingly done with panoramas, information panels and audio in French and English (and Arabic; some of the memorial has been defaced, no doubt by our North-African French fellow European citizens).
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The motives of the far left critics of British Christianity are easy to spot - and so is their cowardice. Religious hegemony is being led by Muslim 'evangelism' - metastasizing in all sectors of British life to advantage the religion of submission.

Let's hear more intellectual consistency from these leftist critics of religion. Speak out also against those Islamists actively encroaching on you instead limiting your bullying to a non-threatening Christianity. We're waiting...
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Since the Church of England is christian, and the sovereign is defender of the faith - christianity, how can anyone disagree with him?
12 weeks ago
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When Prince Charles assumes the throne, he will not be known as "defender of THE faith" but as "defender of faith".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/3454271/Prince-Charles-to-be-known-as-Defender-of-Faith.html
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Exactly. Most European countries have that tradition as well.
The US does not have that tradition. The Founders rejected it very specifically. Most Americans at least profess Christianity, more practice Christianity than any other faith, but we are not a Christian people. John Adams, who said famously that the Constitution was suited only to a moral and religious people, did not say a Christian people.
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That was a bit of a stretch. Everyone and their uncle knew that Adams was referring to Christianity when he said religious. What America rejected was the idea of a national Church. Historically, America was a incredibly Christian people. Read Democracy in America.
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Howdy frgough
I stand by my statement. The sources I found said that Adams was raised a Congregationalist and became a Christian Unitarian. That's the faith journey of an open-minded person.
Of course Adams knew the US was mostly Christian, indeed mostly Protestant, but he would have known Jews, Unitarians who did not consider themselves Christians, and others of many beliefs. He would not, I think, have wanted them excluded or marginalized.
I grew up a Catholic at a time when the Roman Catholic Church was still viewed with suspicion. I attend a Methodist church now but I have been on a long journey that continues. I won't marginalize anyone's sincere belief and I won't accept being marginalized, not as I am now and not as I have been before.
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A few days ago Archbishop of Canterbury said the UK was a post-Christian nation. While half remain nominally Christian, the actual practice and reliance of the religion appears to be much less.

The reality is that the UK isn't a religious country nor their people particularly religious. That doesn't mean they are anti-religious. Hardly so! They just don't think about it much.
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Well, to be honest, it's kind of hard to maintain moral legitimacy when your church was founded on a desire for your king to commit adultery.
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Howdy frgough
It may be more fair to say that Henry's concern was to get a male heir. Given the social and political realities of 16thC England, it was a legitimate worry. The period after the death of Edward VI was very difficult for England.
12 weeks ago
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Cameron is merely the current lightning rod.
Britain's collapse is certainly a traumatic and mighty comedown indeed; and it can be said to have started in earnest during WWII when they were bled so severely physically and financially as their empire collapsed and they hadn't the means or the Will to attempt to maintain it in the face of all of the new nationalisms rising.
Our Marshall Plan helped with the physical rebuilding and re-financing of England and all of Europe in general, but the new anti-colonial multi-culti-think arising and slowly gaining force was simply too big a tide.
What a traumatic come-down for the Britons of Magna Carta, Parliaments, the English language in worldwide use, replacing Latin and Greek, the Bible in English resulting in the King James Version...1611 was just four hundred hundred years ago.....
Now the Muslims have come past way past Vienna and Poitiers and are subversive, infiltrated, belligerent and causing major social problems wherever they congregate, by overt design they're a metastasizing malignancy.

We'd better get our act together.
12 weeks ago
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Marxists, communists, progressives, socialists, post-modernists, etc. etc. etc. are all secular religious cultists. Of course they hate any other religion!
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Atheists do not need to announce the abandonment of God in their lives.

They simply need to act as they do...and it is obvious. Their words are a redundancy. Godlessness is a guilty conscience that needs no voice.
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