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	<title>Comments on: Bush&#8217;s Final Mistake: Showing Mercy on Ramos and Compean</title>
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		<title>By: tiffany ring</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/bushs-final-mistake-showing-mercy-on-ramos-and-compean/#comment-1862872</link>
		<dc:creator>tiffany ring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jesse dziedzic</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/bushs-final-mistake-showing-mercy-on-ramos-and-compean/#comment-1396167</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse dziedzic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You couldn&#039;t be more on the level!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Pat Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that you have heard one juror make such a comment but have heard several secondary sources make that claim.  The three jurors who were quoted in the papers as to making different claims had to admit that they had been polled in the courtroom on the verdict and they also admitted that they knew full well that the verdict Or perhaps like I have done linked to what actually happened and continued to point out that the jurors were polled individually in court about the guilt of the two and subsequent claims of not hearing all the facts have been disputed in both the appeals. 

Let&#039;s consider an example in that you have gotten a speeding ticket of which there is some doubt whether the radar was calibrated, proper identification made or any other exclupatory event.  But during the trial, you have decided to fight the ticket, you are given another speeding ticket.  Is it ok then to bring the second ticket before the judge or the jury by the prosecutor?  Do you think you would have gotten a fair trial on the initial charge if you were aware there was a second speeding charge?  That is why judge&#039;s rule on evidence and that is why the prosecution and the defense argue in from of a judge to exclude or admit certain information that they judge will help one side or the other.  And as I keep pointing out all of these claims have been dismissed by two different appeals.  Which means that any information the judge deemed inadmissable was also ruled inadmissable at the appelate level.   

Plus, and this is most important, some prior acts are kept from a jury because they may prejudice the panel in one way or another.  If all the information was submitted then it would have become known that Ramos had been arrested twice for domestic violence, had a restraining order against him at one time and suspended for lying about the incident and had to undergo court ordered anger management classes.  This information is and was irrelevant to Ramos&#039;s actions that day and were not allowed by the judge.

Secondly the transcript makes it quite clear, as the defense brought it up, that the jury knew of Davila&#039;s grant of immunity for that particular day.  The second so-called arrest never took place as the witness turned out to a member of another smuggling crew and considered not reliable and claiming that the jury was kept from this information is a leap considering this second incident occurred after the jury had rendered a verdict.  I&#039;m not too sure that there are grounds for overturning a verdict because the prosecution didn&#039;t hire a fortune teller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that you have heard one juror make such a comment but have heard several secondary sources make that claim.  The three jurors who were quoted in the papers as to making different claims had to admit that they had been polled in the courtroom on the verdict and they also admitted that they knew full well that the verdict Or perhaps like I have done linked to what actually happened and continued to point out that the jurors were polled individually in court about the guilt of the two and subsequent claims of not hearing all the facts have been disputed in both the appeals. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider an example in that you have gotten a speeding ticket of which there is some doubt whether the radar was calibrated, proper identification made or any other exclupatory event.  But during the trial, you have decided to fight the ticket, you are given another speeding ticket.  Is it ok then to bring the second ticket before the judge or the jury by the prosecutor?  Do you think you would have gotten a fair trial on the initial charge if you were aware there was a second speeding charge?  That is why judge&#8217;s rule on evidence and that is why the prosecution and the defense argue in from of a judge to exclude or admit certain information that they judge will help one side or the other.  And as I keep pointing out all of these claims have been dismissed by two different appeals.  Which means that any information the judge deemed inadmissable was also ruled inadmissable at the appelate level.   </p>
<p>Plus, and this is most important, some prior acts are kept from a jury because they may prejudice the panel in one way or another.  If all the information was submitted then it would have become known that Ramos had been arrested twice for domestic violence, had a restraining order against him at one time and suspended for lying about the incident and had to undergo court ordered anger management classes.  This information is and was irrelevant to Ramos&#8217;s actions that day and were not allowed by the judge.</p>
<p>Secondly the transcript makes it quite clear, as the defense brought it up, that the jury knew of Davila&#8217;s grant of immunity for that particular day.  The second so-called arrest never took place as the witness turned out to a member of another smuggling crew and considered not reliable and claiming that the jury was kept from this information is a leap considering this second incident occurred after the jury had rendered a verdict.  I&#8217;m not too sure that there are grounds for overturning a verdict because the prosecution didn&#8217;t hire a fortune teller.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard several members of the jury interviewed since the trial.  They have all stated that if they had known that Davilla had been offered immunity to testify and that he had been caught smuggling drugs again, the jury would never have convicted Ramos and Compean.  I guess that is why the judge suppressed that bit of evidence.

Something to keep in mind about the evidence you are presented with the next time you are on jury duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard several members of the jury interviewed since the trial.  They have all stated that if they had known that Davilla had been offered immunity to testify and that he had been caught smuggling drugs again, the jury would never have convicted Ramos and Compean.  I guess that is why the judge suppressed that bit of evidence.</p>
<p>Something to keep in mind about the evidence you are presented with the next time you are on jury duty.</p>
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		<title>By: oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Pat, these BP agents acted illegally. If we want people from other countries to follow our laws we might want to start by demanding that our law enforcement does too. I can only hope that anybody that thinks that these guys are heroes or deserve medals did not read the transcripts. I know America is better than this. The whole mob mentallity in this case has been insane. The mob just listened to what they were told, made a decision, and ignored the facts. We have to question and demand the truth from our leaders and those who enforce the law( they can&#039;t make it up as they go). If you give somebody the power to do as they please it always ends badly( the whole power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutley thing). I guess the checks and balances thing is pretty cool, lets stop giving people blank checks to do or spend as they please before we end up sleeping on our mother&#039;s rented couch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Pat, these BP agents acted illegally. If we want people from other countries to follow our laws we might want to start by demanding that our law enforcement does too. I can only hope that anybody that thinks that these guys are heroes or deserve medals did not read the transcripts. I know America is better than this. The whole mob mentallity in this case has been insane. The mob just listened to what they were told, made a decision, and ignored the facts. We have to question and demand the truth from our leaders and those who enforce the law( they can&#8217;t make it up as they go). If you give somebody the power to do as they please it always ends badly( the whole power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutley thing). I guess the checks and balances thing is pretty cool, lets stop giving people blank checks to do or spend as they please before we end up sleeping on our mother&#8217;s rented couch.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so-called pack of lies that the jury heard and that the defense attorneys were not able to create even the smallest amount of doubt.  How about referencing some facts on your own.  I notice that the response from many pro-R&amp;C commenters here is to simply either call facts lies or make an ad hominem attack.  So if you want a debate or even a disagreement fine but bring some facts and citations to the table are simply sit on the sideline grousing about how come nobody pays any attention to the bigots and the nutcases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so-called pack of lies that the jury heard and that the defense attorneys were not able to create even the smallest amount of doubt.  How about referencing some facts on your own.  I notice that the response from many pro-R&amp;C commenters here is to simply either call facts lies or make an ad hominem attack.  So if you want a debate or even a disagreement fine but bring some facts and citations to the table are simply sit on the sideline grousing about how come nobody pays any attention to the bigots and the nutcases.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy37</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, which pack of lies did you decide to believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, which pack of lies did you decide to believe?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to Davila hiding out it was at his instigation that his mother called her friend, the mother of another BP agent asking if it was normal to shoot and then not arrest the suspect.  And it was that agent who reported the whole mess to Washington because he felt that the Border Patrol couldn&#039;t afford to have people lying about this shooting.  He initially thought that Davila was lying and he wanted to protect the agency from the rumors he was beginning to hear throughout the Rio Grande Valley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to Davila hiding out it was at his instigation that his mother called her friend, the mother of another BP agent asking if it was normal to shoot and then not arrest the suspect.  And it was that agent who reported the whole mess to Washington because he felt that the Border Patrol couldn&#8217;t afford to have people lying about this shooting.  He initially thought that Davila was lying and he wanted to protect the agency from the rumors he was beginning to hear throughout the Rio Grande Valley.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed but to characterize him as a succesfull drug dealer is simply a lazy stereotype based on nothing more than animus.  The admissability of evidence is determined by the judge if it is pertinent to the case.  His subsequent arrest, though reprehensible, had nothing to do with being shot and then the agents destroying the crime scene and ending any chance of prosecuting Davila for that smuggling charge.  This issue was taken up on appeal and denied.  

What agreement are you referring to as the grant of immunity only dealt with the shooting and nothing else.  R&amp;C had botched any chance of Davila being charged so it was essentially an easy grant as the case against Davila was nonexistent.  

Here&#039;s the official response to most of the claims,

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Setting%20the%20Record%20Straight%204-25%202007.pdf 

and again a narrative of the shooting and an overview of the trial itself,

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Badges%20of%20Honor.pdf

I can only suggest that if people have strongly held positions concerning the shootings and the trial then perhaps reading the transcript(3,000+ pages makes that difficult) but there is an official government response to the fantasies being spun on the internet.  Or one could read the coverage of local and Texas reporters who covered the trial from the start to the finish.  

Lou Dobbs is hunting for an issue to garner ratings, the talk show Edd Hendee, the minutemen, Ted Poe et al are basically anti-Mexican nut cases and will milk this issue with no regards for the facts as long as there are believers with PayPal accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed but to characterize him as a succesfull drug dealer is simply a lazy stereotype based on nothing more than animus.  The admissability of evidence is determined by the judge if it is pertinent to the case.  His subsequent arrest, though reprehensible, had nothing to do with being shot and then the agents destroying the crime scene and ending any chance of prosecuting Davila for that smuggling charge.  This issue was taken up on appeal and denied.  </p>
<p>What agreement are you referring to as the grant of immunity only dealt with the shooting and nothing else.  R&amp;C had botched any chance of Davila being charged so it was essentially an easy grant as the case against Davila was nonexistent.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the official response to most of the claims,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Setting%20the%20Record%20Straight%204-25%202007.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Setting%20the%20Record%20Straight%204-25%202007.pdf</a> </p>
<p>and again a narrative of the shooting and an overview of the trial itself,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Badges%20of%20Honor.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Badges%20of%20Honor.pdf</a></p>
<p>I can only suggest that if people have strongly held positions concerning the shootings and the trial then perhaps reading the transcript(3,000+ pages makes that difficult) but there is an official government response to the fantasies being spun on the internet.  Or one could read the coverage of local and Texas reporters who covered the trial from the start to the finish.  </p>
<p>Lou Dobbs is hunting for an issue to garner ratings, the talk show Edd Hendee, the minutemen, Ted Poe et al are basically anti-Mexican nut cases and will milk this issue with no regards for the facts as long as there are believers with PayPal accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...he was on the lam, and hiding out.
bfd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;he was on the lam, and hiding out.<br />
bfd</p>
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