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		<title>By: Liz Reno</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-1092020</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Reno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see the Brits in the media---go missing. Whatever suggestions they can make for saving traditional media here should be considered. However useful this Internet thing is, it&#039;s a weak substitute. But I hate the Britishisms creeping into the language. It&#039;s so not American English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see the Brits in the media&#8212;go missing. Whatever suggestions they can make for saving traditional media here should be considered. However useful this Internet thing is, it&#8217;s a weak substitute. But I hate the Britishisms creeping into the language. It&#8217;s so not American English.</p>
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		<title>By: Kourosh</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17365</link>
		<dc:creator>Kourosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I understand why NPR can&#039;t trust any American Media outlet for its news, and subject people to anti-American BBC, a government funded outlet. To NPR, even BBC is more trustworthy than NBC. Unfortunately, US media have been so one sided, manipulative, and sensational that there is nothing left of it. These day no one trust print media like NYT, LAT, or any other Times or Timeless WP. As far as TV news is concerned, there is no one left to trust except Tim Russet. Just watch MSNBC, garbage -in, garbage-out one night and you will understand what I mean.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I understand why NPR can&#8217;t trust any American Media outlet for its news, and subject people to anti-American BBC, a government funded outlet. To NPR, even BBC is more trustworthy than NBC. Unfortunately, US media have been so one sided, manipulative, and sensational that there is nothing left of it. These day no one trust print media like NYT, LAT, or any other Times or Timeless WP. As far as TV news is concerned, there is no one left to trust except Tim Russet. Just watch MSNBC, garbage -in, garbage-out one night and you will understand what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Ydobon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17364</link>
		<dc:creator>Ydobon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred Beloit &quot;&lt;i&gt;The news spaces are for reporters to report, as objectively as possible, what happened. What the heck is wrong with this ideal that it should be cast aside for all propaganda all the time?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Many people feel the news is already &quot;all propaganda all the time.&quot; Only the Parliament of Clocks ensures it&#039;s from a monolithic point of view.

The concept is being lost that it&#039;s possible for reasonable people to disagree.  On anything.  That&#039;s not healthy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Beloit &#8220;<i>The news spaces are for reporters to report, as objectively as possible, what happened. What the heck is wrong with this ideal that it should be cast aside for all propaganda all the time?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Many people feel the news is already &#8220;all propaganda all the time.&#8221; Only the Parliament of Clocks ensures it&#8217;s from a monolithic point of view.</p>
<p>The concept is being lost that it&#8217;s possible for reasonable people to disagree.  On anything.  That&#8217;s not healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17363</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, Gallup reports that 63% of the public believes that the news is biased. It&#039;s reasonable to conclude that news spaces are not objective.  Nor do I believe it is possible that they can ever be.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, Gallup reports that 63% of the public believes that the news is biased. It&#8217;s reasonable to conclude that news spaces are not objective.  Nor do I believe it is possible that they can ever be.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Beloit</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17362</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Beloit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid Mr. Boriss is inexplicably very confused or has some kind of an agenda that differs from wanting an excellent news media for all. We already have room, in our newspapers at least, for subjective commentators who are free to take sides. This space is often called op/ed or some such. The news spaces are for reporters to report, as objectively as possible, what happened. What the heck is wrong with this ideal that it should be cast aside for all propaganda all the time?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid Mr. Boriss is inexplicably very confused or has some kind of an agenda that differs from wanting an excellent news media for all. We already have room, in our newspapers at least, for subjective commentators who are free to take sides. This space is often called op/ed or some such. The news spaces are for reporters to report, as objectively as possible, what happened. What the heck is wrong with this ideal that it should be cast aside for all propaganda all the time?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Eccles</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17361</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the key differences that wasn&#039;t brought out in the article, however, is that the UK newspaper market is a national market whereas the main newspapers in US tend to be regional (with the exception of USA Today and to a lesser extent The New York Times). US newspapers tend to be dominant in their city which results in a lack of competition and vibrancy.

UK newspapers would however love to have the US newspapers&#039; profit margins. In the UK broadsheet papers, the Telegraph is barely profitable, the Times rarely makes a profit, the Independent has never (to my knowledge) made a profit and the Guardian doesn&#039;t even try! (Amusingly, the Guardian&#039;s official position is &#039;profit seeking&#039;). Also it should be noted that the biggest (by a country mile) news site in the UK is the BBC (which is entirely funded by tax-payers and therefore I guess could be described as &#039;tax seeking&#039;).

One thing that surprised me was how poorly Time is doing (especially when they are basically giving it away for free to subscribers). Nearly all the UK news and current affairs magazines (The Week, Economist, Spectator, New Statesman, Private Eye etc) are doing well at the moment. Part of that is due to them putting together great products (The Economist, Private Eye and the Spectator are all excellent). However I also think there is a structural change going on. My own hyposisis is that as people get more and more of their daily news online, they are giving up on their daily paper but they still want a print news digest therefore they are moving to the weekly magazines. Not sure why that isn&#039;t the same in the US.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the key differences that wasn&#8217;t brought out in the article, however, is that the UK newspaper market is a national market whereas the main newspapers in US tend to be regional (with the exception of USA Today and to a lesser extent The New York Times). US newspapers tend to be dominant in their city which results in a lack of competition and vibrancy.</p>
<p>UK newspapers would however love to have the US newspapers&#8217; profit margins. In the UK broadsheet papers, the Telegraph is barely profitable, the Times rarely makes a profit, the Independent has never (to my knowledge) made a profit and the Guardian doesn&#8217;t even try! (Amusingly, the Guardian&#8217;s official position is &#8216;profit seeking&#8217;). Also it should be noted that the biggest (by a country mile) news site in the UK is the BBC (which is entirely funded by tax-payers and therefore I guess could be described as &#8216;tax seeking&#8217;).</p>
<p>One thing that surprised me was how poorly Time is doing (especially when they are basically giving it away for free to subscribers). Nearly all the UK news and current affairs magazines (The Week, Economist, Spectator, New Statesman, Private Eye etc) are doing well at the moment. Part of that is due to them putting together great products (The Economist, Private Eye and the Spectator are all excellent). However I also think there is a structural change going on. My own hyposisis is that as people get more and more of their daily news online, they are giving up on their daily paper but they still want a print news digest therefore they are moving to the weekly magazines. Not sure why that isn&#8217;t the same in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Ydobon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17360</link>
		<dc:creator>Ydobon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frankwolftown wrote, &quot;&lt;i&gt;I can&#039;t seem to understand how openly biased news will improve anything.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

The honesty will be a breath of fresh air after decades of toxic hidden agendas.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;People seem pissed off enough as it is.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

No amount of open bias will be half as infuriating as CNN&#039;s sandbagging the Republicans at their &quot;debate.&quot;

Even The Manchester Union Leader has called CNN&#039;s dishonest bias &quot;bad journalism.&quot;

CNN&#039;s subsequent stonewalling is enraging.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Where does this help?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Open bias offers the change to engage in an honest manner.

Otherwise people are forced to resort to gotcha games, like Don Surber&#039;s &quot;Name that Party.&quot;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s like the article recently published here that Yellow Journalism is a good thing.  Can someone tell me what I&#039;m missing here?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Honesty.





A final note on the economy, from &lt;i&gt;American Journalism Review&lt;/i&gt;, Oct/Nov 2007, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4416&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Newspapers are paying the price for shortsighted thinking&lt;/a&gt;.

[Emphasis was in the original.]

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Newspapers&#039; performance hasn&#039;t been this bad since the 2001 recession, when revenue slipped nearly 6 percent and profit was down more than 26 percent. And this year the nation is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; in a recession. But the newspaper industry surely is, and it is worthwhile examining why.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;


Oh, and it&#039;s too late for Page 3 girls to save newspapers in the USA, even the tabloids.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankwolftown wrote, &#8220;<i>I can&#8217;t seem to understand how openly biased news will improve anything.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>The honesty will be a breath of fresh air after decades of toxic hidden agendas.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>People seem pissed off enough as it is.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>No amount of open bias will be half as infuriating as CNN&#8217;s sandbagging the Republicans at their &#8220;debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even The Manchester Union Leader has called CNN&#8217;s dishonest bias &#8220;bad journalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>CNN&#8217;s subsequent stonewalling is enraging.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Where does this help?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Open bias offers the change to engage in an honest manner.</p>
<p>Otherwise people are forced to resort to gotcha games, like Don Surber&#8217;s &#8220;Name that Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>It&#8217;s like the article recently published here that Yellow Journalism is a good thing.  Can someone tell me what I&#8217;m missing here?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Honesty.</p>
<p>A final note on the economy, from <i>American Journalism Review</i>, Oct/Nov 2007, <a href="http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4416" rel="nofollow">Newspapers are paying the price for shortsighted thinking</a>.</p>
<p>[Emphasis was in the original.]</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Newspapers&#8217; performance hasn&#8217;t been this bad since the 2001 recession, when revenue slipped nearly 6 percent and profit was down more than 26 percent. And this year the nation is <b>not</b> in a recession. But the newspaper industry surely is, and it is worthwhile examining why.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s too late for Page 3 girls to save newspapers in the USA, even the tabloids.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/british_press_invasion/#comment-17359</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankwolftown asked me a great question on my blog at thefutureofnews.com in regards to this article, and I&#039;d like to place this Q&amp;A here.

He commented, &quot;I can&#039;t seem to understand how openly biased news will improve anything. People seem pissed off enough as it is where does this help? It&#039;s like the article recently published here that Yellow Journalism is a good thing. Can someone tell me what I&#039;m missing here?&quot;

My answer:
&quot;Thomas Jefferson believed in a country in which freedom was preserved by a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas.  He particularly liked the process of &quot;attack and defense,&quot; which in a letter to George Washington he supported by claiming that &quot;Nature has given to man no other means of sifting out the truth whether in religion, law, or politics.&quot;  Debating and arguing is very American, a way to preserve our individual rights.  Now compare that to what we have now...mainstream media that in fact is giving us a monolithic partisan position -- center-left -- while claiming it to be &quot;truth&quot; and denying others with opposing views the dignity of acknowledging there are other reasonable alternative positions. In my mind, that is the main reason why people are so &quot;pissed off&quot; now.  It is out of frustration.  We will all have the satisfaction of expressing our views, and greater tolerance for others&#039; views, in a world of free expression.  Who can deny that this is what the First Amendment is all about?&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankwolftown asked me a great question on my blog at thefutureofnews.com in regards to this article, and I&#8217;d like to place this Q&amp;A here.</p>
<p>He commented, &#8220;I can&#8217;t seem to understand how openly biased news will improve anything. People seem pissed off enough as it is where does this help? It&#8217;s like the article recently published here that Yellow Journalism is a good thing. Can someone tell me what I&#8217;m missing here?&#8221;</p>
<p>My answer:<br />
&#8220;Thomas Jefferson believed in a country in which freedom was preserved by a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas.  He particularly liked the process of &#8220;attack and defense,&#8221; which in a letter to George Washington he supported by claiming that &#8220;Nature has given to man no other means of sifting out the truth whether in religion, law, or politics.&#8221;  Debating and arguing is very American, a way to preserve our individual rights.  Now compare that to what we have now&#8230;mainstream media that in fact is giving us a monolithic partisan position &#8212; center-left &#8212; while claiming it to be &#8220;truth&#8221; and denying others with opposing views the dignity of acknowledging there are other reasonable alternative positions. In my mind, that is the main reason why people are so &#8220;pissed off&#8221; now.  It is out of frustration.  We will all have the satisfaction of expressing our views, and greater tolerance for others&#8217; views, in a world of free expression.  Who can deny that this is what the First Amendment is all about?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both systems have their drawbacks. The British system makes it easier for everyone to read only that which confirms their existing beliefs (plus provides more entertainment, prurient or otherwise). This may increase factionalism (although it&#039;s been that way a long, long time). The Internet, of course, provides that opportunity to anyone, UK or US.

The American system makes it easier for the left-elite to confirm what they already believe, while leaving everyone else dissatisfied. This leads to a misinformed or uninformed populace.

Murdoch, with Fox, provides a true improvement in American journalism: choice and entertainment. He mixes hard factual news (e.g. Britt Hume) with opinion (O&#039;Reilly and H&amp;C), sprinkles in &quot;true crime&quot; with Gretta (ugh) and puts in a regular dose of T&amp;A with video reports about Victoria Secret fashion shows, etc. It&#039;s a formula that works.

Whatever happens, it is time for the media elites of America (like the ridiculous Dan Rather) to be knocked off their pedestals and retired. Lippmann was wrong. O&#039;Sullivan&#039;s second law dominates the news (organizations not explicitly conservative will become liberal), and unbiased factual presentation is merely a fantasy that the media tries to believe and foist on us. Screw &#039;em.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both systems have their drawbacks. The British system makes it easier for everyone to read only that which confirms their existing beliefs (plus provides more entertainment, prurient or otherwise). This may increase factionalism (although it&#8217;s been that way a long, long time). The Internet, of course, provides that opportunity to anyone, UK or US.</p>
<p>The American system makes it easier for the left-elite to confirm what they already believe, while leaving everyone else dissatisfied. This leads to a misinformed or uninformed populace.</p>
<p>Murdoch, with Fox, provides a true improvement in American journalism: choice and entertainment. He mixes hard factual news (e.g. Britt Hume) with opinion (O&#8217;Reilly and H&amp;C), sprinkles in &#8220;true crime&#8221; with Gretta (ugh) and puts in a regular dose of T&amp;A with video reports about Victoria Secret fashion shows, etc. It&#8217;s a formula that works.</p>
<p>Whatever happens, it is time for the media elites of America (like the ridiculous Dan Rather) to be knocked off their pedestals and retired. Lippmann was wrong. O&#8217;Sullivan&#8217;s second law dominates the news (organizations not explicitly conservative will become liberal), and unbiased factual presentation is merely a fantasy that the media tries to believe and foist on us. Screw &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Ydobon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frankwolftown wrote, &quot;&lt;i&gt;If this is true then I might just drop Journalism as my major here in college.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Which part of the article leads you to that decision?

Not that journalism seems to be a wise career choice in the USA today.

From Bob Norman&#039;s &quot;The Daily Pulp&quot; we have &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2007/11/newspapers_freefall_illustrate.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Newspapers Free Fall (Illustrated)&lt;/a&gt;.

McClatchy&#039;s on &lt;a href=&quot;http://cancelthebee.blogspot.com/search/label/McClatchy%20decline&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deathwatch&lt;/a&gt;, even &lt;a href=&quot;http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2007/11/19/daily18.html?jst=b_ln_hl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online revenue is falling&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankwolftown wrote, &#8220;<i>If this is true then I might just drop Journalism as my major here in college.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Which part of the article leads you to that decision?</p>
<p>Not that journalism seems to be a wise career choice in the USA today.</p>
<p>From Bob Norman&#8217;s &#8220;The Daily Pulp&#8221; we have <a href="http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2007/11/newspapers_freefall_illustrate.php" rel="nofollow">Newspapers Free Fall (Illustrated)</a>.</p>
<p>McClatchy&#8217;s on <a href="http://cancelthebee.blogspot.com/search/label/McClatchy%20decline" rel="nofollow">deathwatch</a>, even <a href="http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2007/11/19/daily18.html?jst=b_ln_hl" rel="nofollow">online revenue is falling</a>.</p>
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