British National Party Gains Further After BBC’s Question Time Fiasco
Nick Griffin has complained, correctly, that the program aired was not the usual Question Time but a lynch mob. The studio audience was packed entirely with his opponents and every question was a set-up to trash the BNP. Some are now saying the BBC are trampling their reputation, such that it still exists, of impartiality, and some see the setup invoking sympathy via the British sense of fair play:
As the average English person dislikes people ganging up on others, they are already expressing sympathy with Griffin and I predict that the popularity of the BNP will rise.
Before you can show up a policy you have to debate it, and not one of the other so-called politicians [on the panel] had any intention of engaging in a debate. It was a set-up, it was despicable and it was enormously counter-productive.
In my neck of the woods the comments go more like “if they spent so much time trying to shut him up, he must have summat to say they don’t want us to hear.”
Nick Griffin managed a couple of good retorts against the onslaught. In response to fellow panelist Jack Straw calling Griffin a Nazi, Griffin pointed out that Straw’s father went to jail for refusing to fight while Griffin’s father was in the RAF fighting the Nazis. There was also this, as reported by GQ:
The direct hit of the night goes to Mr. Griffin himself, who, in six words, explained a large element of the BNP’s appeal. “Why would anyone trust a politician?” he asked. Voters have no faith left in their representatives, and while nominally a politician, Griffin is an outsider, untainted by the mechanisms of Westminster. A breath of hot air, you might say.
And then there was Griffin’s point on Islam:
Griffin was strongest on Islam — when he was asked to explain why he believed that Islam was a cruel and wicked faith he did so quite openly, citing the stoning of female rape victims for “adultery” and the Koran’s instructions to murder non-believers as evidence of its cruelty. There were a few disagreements from the audience and from Baroness Waarsi who insisted that that wasn’t what Islam is about (despite it being in the Koran).
If the BNP continue to rise in the polls, there is a decent chance they will win several seats at the general election, expected in May of next year. If the UK were foolish enough to have proportional representation in the House of Commons elections as they do in Euro elections, the BNP would be headed for quite a few seats.
The political paries are so PC in Britain so it comes as no surprise that a demagouge like Griffin would gain traction. David Cameron may become the next PM but he like Brown don’t have a solution to the unchecked immigration problem which is bringing in people hostile to western values. (what ever is left of it)
i dont support the bnp. they are in essence the british version of sinn fein , in that they want britain to send recent arrivals out of britain in the same way the ira encouraged people to go or die, in ulster . i do feel it’s plain for all to see the bnp are discriminated against and smeared . i am irish and modern english culture dictates race and immigration must not be addressed or if they are. ur called a racist , nazi because no-one except the bnp looked at these . the tories are as greedy as ever , labour are tories . lib dems dont even know their policies . i am not allowed to vote in britain . im not bothered there is no-one worth voting for .it dosent matter who u vote for the result will be the same .
thats why it is so amusing to see the politicians lie, cheat , armwave, point and smear . i hope the public make their own minds up
Full disclosure before I open my trap further. My knowledge of British politics is so rudimentary that a kindergartner might know more. My point of view comes from Israel, and there is no love lost btween me and the Poms whose hypocrisy allowed the death of over a million Jews in Hitler’s death camps in WWII because they were locked out of Mandat Palestine, and whose alliance with the Arabs (an alliance that continues today) damn near killed our chance at having a free nation in our own land. Basically, the Brits can burn in hell, for all I care.
Havig said that, it is clear that the BNP are obviously neo-nazis – but the problem appears to be that British pols haven’t the cojones to deal with real problems that the pint drinking Englishman faces. That lets in scum like Nick Griffin.
For me, there is more than just a small element of schadenfreude seeing this. The Labour party has deserted its base, the Conservatives and that other bunch haven’t got the brains to kick out the Muslim immigrants who are changing England into an Arab country – and the pint drinkers are really pissed. The English may not be Christians anymore – that’s not my business – but insulting a Muslim can get you jail time in England, even if it is a mere discussion of religion.
King Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer who hated the rich Tory businessmen and the way they exploited workers, and he was moved out of the palace (that stuff about him not being able to marry a divorcé was awful clever) before he could mount a royal revolution in the UK after the fashion of the Romanian king. But getting rid of Nick Griffin and the party he has organized will not be so easy. That is what was proven at “Question Time”. The pols refuse to deal with the very real complaints of English voters, and if the ones who hate immigrants get mad enough, it will take more than some bobby behind a plastic shield to get rid of them. The more the cowardly pols in England refuse to do what they have to to keep England English, the harsher the reaction will be in the streets.
Ah, what a pleasure to see….
The UK’s problem is that none of the main stream parties address the issues that worry the INDIGENOUS population, Immigration, Islamification ,the ‘Yuman Rites’ act abomination, the useless politicised left wing Judiciary, useless politicised PC MC Police, the the biased left wing brainwashing University Professors. The Liberals are a non entity and the Tories are just left wing moonbat PC MC Islamophile Nu Labour lite.
This and only this is why the BNP gets any traction at all.
Sorry for leaving out the T in parties in my original post. Hey do you notice the lack of interest in British politics? Folk this is the U.S.A in a year or so.
Let’s see now.
Griffin a vile NAZI according to the current idiots in charge shows up for a debate without armband or a coterie of violent thugs.
His opponents stage a lynch mob outside and INSIDE the studio. The treat of violence against him is both implicit and explicit.
Who really IS or ARE the Nazis in this scenario. Part of the DIRECT appeal and tactic of the Nazis was a constant appeal to ‘direct action’. Physical violence was ALWAYS an understood if not overt component of the plan.
Let me ask an annoying hypothetical here —-
If the BNP formally apologized for its anti-JOOSISH attitudes in the past, acknowledged its errors in this regard, and then concentrated ONLY on an anti-Muslim immigration policy, a dose of economic populism, and a desire to reverse ‘multi-culteralism’ in favor of a defense of Britishness — How outside the mainstream would it actually be ?
Would Griffin be ‘unlikeable’ then ?
The BNP is NOT the problem. It is merely the symptom of the problem. The BBC should be sent a thank-you card for its efforts. Useful Idiots indeed.
Support for the BNP is very easy to understand. As has already been pointed out this is the natural fall-out from the “elite” telling “the common man” that he MUST embrace “multiculturalism” OR ELSE!!! No discussion over its miriad obvious flaws and faults are tolerated.
The BNP should have no business being influential in this day and age but the door has been opened for them by the blinkered twits and morons in the various parties, lobby groups and media outlets.
The only positive that may come out of all this is if the main political parties grow a pair of balls at last and start to address the issue of multiculturalism like adults and have the mature open debates and discussions these subjects badly need. If they can do that the BNP will vanish without trace.
“Nazi”, “Neo Nazi” are tossed around so freely nowadays as to lose all meaning. They’re old penicillin. The words make me yawn when they’re hissed at the Tea Party folk and they make me yawn when hissed at the BNP.
This is going to be the future of the US if things keep going in their current direction.
People tend to forget that the BNP is totally reliant on democracy. It won its seats by democratic vote.
Furthermore it is forced to be honest in all the claims it makes, because all it says and does is scrutinised by the established regime. If it dared to make any false statement, or bend the truth just a little bit, the establishment would be down on it like the proverbial ton of bricks.
The BNP is, as a result, the most honest party we have.
Well Ruvy, you’re part of the problem (a wealthy hereditary monarch complaining about Tory businessmen exploiting labor is pretty f_____g rich), which is why you only get part of the solution. Regarding your take on the so-called “Poms” – the Brits bled and died in great numbers to end German aggression. Fact. They at least killed Nazis in quantity. Would that Jews all over Europe had picked up guns (as in Warsaw) and killed Nazis, choosing to die fighting – at least they would have helped end the war sooner. People who take your position, that others should have done their bleeding and dying for them, can go to hell, for all I care.
What a shocker: the anti-BNP Left is screaming about burning piles of live bodies and storming public buildings. No way. It must be the BNP doing that and the British press is in on the smear.
There Will Always Be An England? Sorry, but no. And they wonder where the BNP came from? It came straight from the loins of a cowed and beaten population that is sick to death of being cowed and beaten.
The BBC is a far bigger threat to what’s left of England than the BNP will ever be and the man-in-the-pub knows it.
When you essentially sit on an entire culture of tens of millions of people, as modern leftism has sat upon the normal British person and told him all sorts of lies (all religions and cultures are morally equivalent, criminals are just unhappy so give them things to make them happy and they’ll stop crime, all people deserve the same life regardless of the effort they make, etc), then you will eventually get a pushback. If your political system doesn’t accomodate it and respect it, the pushback will come from the fringe, as its the only access point left to the normal British person.
It’s inevitable. the Marxist reeducation of the normal British person (guilty white imperialists, etc) has failed. He is pushing back.
Same thing is happening in the states, only here we have a much better sense of individualism and respect for opportunity rather than outcome.
But we are on the British road, and the One, the Chairman, Obamao, is hustling us down that road as quickly as he can.
If they want to silence the BNP (a commendable goal), then the major parties, Labour and Tories, must steal the VALID issues that the BNP is addressing that are striking a chord with the public in the UK.
Maybe they could develop a platform that supports British nationalism, stops pandering to foreigners and aliens, and stops coddling criminals?
Heck, I’d like to see that our parties here in the US…
What these BBC dimwits don’t seem to realize is that bad ideas are defeated by better ideas not worse ones. However, since official multiculturalism is protected against all criticism, the fringe gets attention by default.
If the BNP formally apologized for its anti-JOOSISH attitudes in the past, acknowledged its errors in this regard, and then concentrated ONLY on an anti-Muslim immigration policy, a dose of economic populism, and a desire to reverse ‘multi-culteralism’ in favor of a defense of Britishness — How outside the mainstream would it actually be?
Doug,
The Jew-hatred the BNP has manifested is the root of the “anti-semitic” (Arabs are Semites too) feeling that it propagates. What makes hatred of the Wahhabi trash who say “freedom should go to hell” in their demonstrations so easy is their concommitant refusal to act like “civilized” Englishmen, and instead their insistence on treating women who do not conform to their concepts of dress codes as mere prostitutes who can be raped. If the Haredi Jews treated Christian women the same way, all Jews would have been driven out of England long ago.
It appears that the English aristocracy (this includes Labour and the Tories both) have decided to impose Muslims upon Englishmen in order to alleviate a labor shortage in the UK that arises from the terribly low fertility rates of Christian Englishwomen.
Now for the BNP to apologize for its anti-Jewish attitudes would make a mockery of them – they would not be true to their Nazi roots – and would win them little or no trust among Jews in the UK. Where’s the gain for the BNP? That is the reason it has not done this previously, Doug.
Geert Wilders does not condemn Jews or Israel publicly, whatever his private opinions may be. So, he has a credibility among us that Nick Griffin will never get. And that goes double for Jews in the UK, who would never trust any ideological descendant of “Lord Ha-ha”. Jews have terribly long memories, Doug.
If you can’t stand “the JOOS”, don’t pretend to apologize, at least be honest and be true to yourselves, Nick. You think someone like me gives a damn what any Englishman says he thinks, when your diplomats call us a “shitty little country”?
Let me teach you a saying I learned from the Irish who lived in the North Bronx many years ago when I was a member of the North Bronx Republican Club.
“First, there are the Irish;
then there are the people who wish they were Irish;
then there are the English, who wish they were people.”
Have a nice day, Doug.
People who take your position, that others should have done their bleeding and dying for them, can go to hell, for all I care
Don’t put words into my mouth I did not utter, RKV. The British closed the Mandate off to Jews out of their sympathy with and fear of Arabs. They could have opened the Mandate wide in 1937, and told the Haganá, “you want to take in Jews, defend them yourselves” and washed their hands of the matter. The Haganá would have seen to it that Jews came in and that the Arabs were seen to. But that didn’t happen, and at least one million Jews died as a result.
AFTER THE WAR, the Brits kept the doors of the Mandate closed for the same reasons – sympathy with and fear of the Arabs. To be blunt, British soldiers and diplomats deserved to be killed by members of the Stern Gang and the Etzel, and deaths they suffered in the destruction of the King David Hotel were richly deserved – small vengeance for the million Jews who died in Europe. Jewish terrorists who managed to get the Brits to quit the Mandate are heroes who deserve this man’s praise – and the entire neighborhood overlooking the former residence of the British High Commissioner, Armon haNetziv, has all of its streets named for these heroes.
This is a permanent reminder of British perfidy.
Well, this is what comes from overusing the terms “racist” and “Nazi” for people who are not necessarily racists or Nazis, but with whom you merely have political differences with.
You end up with a lot of Nazi racists who don’t really care much what you call them, since there are always more people who are going to disagree than agree with your politics.
Grim days ahead for all of us.
Ruvy writes, “Geert Wilders does not condemn Jews or Israel publicly, whatever his private opinions may be. So, he has a credibility among us that Nick Griffin will never get.”
Why do you presume that WIlders “private opinions” might be inconsistent with his public stance? Wilders has spent considerable time in Israel, speaks there regularly, and stands up consistently for Israel and the Jewish people. He sees – correctly in my opinion – Israel as frontline state in the battle between freedom and barbarism.
See for yourself the entire cringe-inducing epic mayhem here:
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&source=hp&q=transcript+of+question+time+bbc+griffin&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=MgbnSvD9JOTTjAfKm6G0CA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=9&ved=0CDYQqwQwCA#
I’m not sure what else could have been done wrong in that show, as far as I’m concerned, it was grim perfection and Griffin came out as the only person with manners and substance. Now whether you disagree with him (as in so far he has done more to destroy the old fascist BNP than any UAF member has and very much modernised it) or not, this time round he looked as good as one can look under those circumstances. He even got a quip in that the BNP is the only UK party to have supported Israel in the Gaza war… (and yes, the BNP have Jewish councilors too)
Jack Straws attempt to get Griffin to commit holocaust denial in public was hilarious (Griffin is an MEP and would be arrested had he attempted to explain himself, hence he says ‘I cannot explain it’, since it would be illegal for him (and anyone else in Europe) to do so on pain of jail)
Also note that it now has come out that Labour deliberately imported as many immigrants as was possible, in order to show up the Tories as racists and make Britain multicultural by creating facts on the ground:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23760073-dont-listen-to-the-whingers—london-needs-immigrants.do
also here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223296/Labour-think-tank-airbrushed-link-migrants-crime-immigration-report-Blair.html
(oops, busted…)
What also didn’t help was Bonnie Greers’ racist attitude towards the English — she claimed the indigenous English don’t exist and we’re all from Africa anyway. (She is actually American and managed somehow to become deputy chairman of the British museum) (oh well, at least the Brit hater Ruvy in post #16 acknowledges the English exist, even if he thinks they aren’t people, eh, it’s a start at least… lol)
So yes, the BNP is about to go mainstream in UK politics, 22% of people are ready to vote for them — mostly because they are the only game in town at the moment.
Now, that is not going to put Griffin near moving into Nr. 10 as prime minister, but it will introduce much needed competition in Uk politics and also, it has shattered the politically correct glass ceiling that has stopped those urgent problems from being discussed noisily.
How ironic is it that it takes a party like the BNP to keep the mainstream establishment honest…
So all in all, a very good week for democracy I think!
Inasmuch as anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman is considered a dangerous radical and fascist these days–such have been the depredations on cultural discourse sown by the Left–I don’t place too much importance in the anti-BNP hysteria now popular with the state media in the UK and US. Read the platform at the BNP site; it’s quite reasonable. All they want is personal and economic freedom, the rule of law, and the right to live in a peaceful, rational society. You know, the kind that used to be popular with guys named Jefferson, Washington and Hamilton.
Oddly enough, Labour’s cover vis-s-vis multiculturalism was blown only recently. Melanie Philips has the story.
These are policies, incidentally, that are coming to a neighborhood near you, and for much the same reasons: the cultural self-loathing of the Left and a desire to create an unshakable political constituency. Past is prologue.
I have been to the BNP website and I can honestly say I don’t see the “Nazi” thing. They are very nationalist, Britain for the British and all that, and want many of the immigrants to leave. They aren’t big on multiculturalism and I can’t say I blame them, some cultures produce better living standards and more freedom for their people, others don’t and that’s why there are still so many third world dung heaps. Contrast N. Korea & S. Korea for example. Middle Eastern countries have received the greatest transfer of wealth in history but many of them are still little better than 3rd world hell holes for the average citizen. Like it or not, the evidence supports that some cultures are better than others and that multiculturalism is BS.
I’d criticize their socialist policies but GB is socialist and a nanny state, its all shades of socialism when it comes to the political parties there.
As for antisemitism, I can’t say much because they may express that somewhere other than their website. However with the antisemitism of the Democrats and the abandonment of Israel by American Jews who vote mainly Democrat and their cries of Republicans/Conservatives being antisemitic I am a bit skeptical.
“Nazi”, “neo-Nazi”, and “racist” are so over used by the left its hard to believe that accusation against anyone anymore who isn’t actually running around waving a Nazi flag, covered in swastika tattoos, or yelling “heil Hitler”.
Why is one considered a “nazi” for not wanting to dilute his culture or have his homeland overrun by people from distant lands?
When we consider Cortez invading central america, are the aztecs considered “nazis” for opposing him? Are the American Indians considered “nazis” for not wanting to share their continent with the white man?
How about all of the attention that is accorded western culture corrupting the indigenous tribes of South America or inner Africa? Are they nazis too for not wanting to see themselves overrun, culturally, socially and economically by western ideas and standards?
There is nothing wrong with a white, christian country wanting to stay predominantly what it is, or a Jewish nation wanting to stay predominantly Jewish or Mexico wanting to stay Mexican.
If 100 million gringos all headed south to Mexico one afternoon and started squeezing out the language and cilture of Mexicans, the Mexicans would be completely justified in being upset and wanting to limit further gringo immigration … especially if their was an undercurrent of violence toward Mexicans by the gringos as there is with some muslims living in western societies.
You do not have to feel guilty about wanting your nation to remain as it traditionally has!
Raymond, I typed up a long comment in answer to yours, but WordPress seems to have swallowed it up and will not release it. Sorry. We’ll see it later it is released by WordPress.
Another fasinating atricle and comment thread here at Pajama Media. Just to be clear I do not agree with a lot of the comments but I appreciate the honest and, for the most part, civil and matter of fact presentation of opinion.
It seems clear the whole Left Multiculuralism scam is getting some more pushback in Britain as it is here in the US.
Interesting(and dangerous)times ahead, I think that the historians who wrote that book back in the nineties, The Fourth Turning, were on to something.
“Would that Jews all over Europe had picked up guns (as in Warsaw) and killed Nazis, choosing to die fighting – at least they would have helped end the war sooner.”
What guns?
You Y00r0p33ns don’t let the proles have guns, therefore you make them vulnerable to genocide.
For better or worse, that in and of itself justifies the broadest possible interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, for all time.
Gun-control = one-sided bloodbath rather than two. Plus, it’s racist!
The funny thing is, given the lessons of history, why are so many Jews still pinko gun-control phags? I figure the best Bar Mitzvah present should be a long gun and education on how to use it..
The immigration waves were engineered by the Marxists to give them power through voting blocks and pitting groups against each other while “saving” them.
SAME THING as the Democrats have done in the U.S.
This is how it ends. First with a bang, only then wimpers.
What is at play is not right or left, but the very legitimacy of government or as a wiser man wrote -
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
I no very little about the BNP but it sounds as if the British public is as disenchanted with the political status quo as the US public is. When common sense is thrown under the bus in the cause of PC the demigouges have a chance to get their foot in the door.
22. Real Deal: ‘I have been to the BNP website and I can honestly say I don’t see the “Nazi” thing.’
Righto, RD. In fact, the BNP’s criticisms of Obama sound strikingly like those posted daily on PJM. Hmm … could be a marriage made in heaven.
#27 Pelaut
Excellent diagnosis.
AND the marxists engineered the waves of immigration to weaken and ultimately destroy the Western Civilization as such.
The world is going towards a cultural catastrophe and I seriously doubt that the BNP so-called “nazis” are the danger, especially when I read this kind of sentence:
So, this author is happy that people cannot express their dissent…
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In what way is the BNP neo-nazis? They had some pretty odious members in the past but so has every other party. Their economic policies are a bit too far to the left for my liking but at least they are standing up for England, no one else seems to.
qwfwq (21):
Inasmuch as anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman is considered a dangerous radical and fascist these days
Which is humorous, since fascism is a branch of socialism.
(See also “Liberal Fascism” by Johah Goldberg and “Modern Fascism” by Gene Veith)
So how long until the National Front or British Movement start gaining seats and form a coalition?
Its sad that the only groups addressing what a good number of Brits see as problems are racist groups. Maybe there needs to be a new party formed like here in the states that takes back the nation from the destruction of socialists and PC people who don’t want to hurt feelings.
A little honesty can go a long way in politics as evident in the BNP.
British people who don’t want England to become a third world country are called neo-nazis.
By whom ?
By the tools of Saudi Arabia, drunken with marxist-leninist ideology.
Translation: the TRUE neo-nazis of today call neo-nazi anyone who opposes them.
Kind of the Communist-in-Chief calling Fox names.
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An article from the BNP page, and I see a lot of nazis in it but they are the islamonazis…
British taxpayers have been forced to donate in excess of £100,000 to a foundation created by Islamists whose openly declared aim is to create a Caliphate sharia law-based dictatorship in this country.
According to accounts filed at the Charity Commission, £113,411 of taxpayers’ money was given to the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation, which is run by senior members of the Hizb ut-Tahrir party. Another three of the four trustees are all publicly active members of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
The Shakhsiyah Foundation received the money from the Government’s “Free Entitlement” and “Pathfinder” programmes.
The foundation’s lead trustee is Yusra Hamilton, a leading Hizb activist who is married to Taji Mustafa, the group’s spokesman in Britain.
Hizb ut-Tahrir (which is Arabic for “Party of Liberation”) is an international pan-Islamist, Sunni political party whose goal is to combine all Muslim countries in a unitary Islamic state or caliphate, ruled by Islamic law and with a caliph head of state elected by Muslims.
The taxpayer funds have paid for the running of a nursery school and two Islamic primary schools. The teachers are selected by Hizb ut-Tahrir and the entire system is under that group’s control.
Hizb ut-Tahrir was last in the news in July this year when thousands of militant Muslims gathered in London to demand a Caliphate at a mass meeting organised by that organisation.
Amongst the teachings of Hizb ut-Tahrir, as stated quite openly on their website, is the belief that anyone who believes in democracy is a “Kafir” or an unbeliever. It orders Muslims to keep apart from nonbelievers and boycott British elections and political processes.
The two primary schools are located in epicentres of the Islamic colonisation invasion: Tottenham, north London; and Slough, Berkshire.
The school’s websites say their “ultimate goal and foremost work” is the creation of an “Islamic personality” in children. Children are taught that “there must be one ruler of the khilafah [caliphate]” and that sharia law is the norm in all Islamic history.
* Can it ever even be imagined that a Muslim country such as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would actually pay for Christian schools run by people whose declared aim was to overthrow the Islamic state?
The time has come for this treason to the British people to be halted. Only the British National Party has the political will, and the political programme, to reverse the colonisation process and return control of our nation to the British people.
I don’t know anything about the BNP… however I know a fair bit about the Tories and Labour…
Both could easily be classed as Nazi or borderline Commie… The funny thing about the Euros is Neo-Nazi normally translates directly to Sane thinking individual.
It like in german when all the real nazi, neo-nazi and other groups rallied with the help of the government to block a bill… and it was declared a “victory over the neo-nazi’s”… yet it was the Neo-nazi’s and other hate groups that wanted it blocked.
Euros are a joke and are insanely poorly educated in history or facts.
I do not understand why anyone is surprised by the rise of organizations like the BNP. Anyone who understands anything about human nature could see this coming for at least the last 20 years.
It is simple cause and effect.
The cause is the cynical (and rather sinister) policy of letting in a torrent of “immigrants” who hate the people and the culture of the country they have moved to and their only desire is to be a parasite and suck every penny they can out of that country. In the meantime the natives of that country end up getting verbally and physically beat down as “racists” for being sick and tired of not only paying more and more money to the government to fund these parasites but also being shat upon and beaten up by the politicians, the media, assorted “activist” groups and these “immigrants”.
People will only put up with so much and when they reach the point where they can take no more very bad things happen that no one will be able to stop. The blame for it happening will lie solely on the politicians, the media, assorted “activist” groups and these “immigrants” who have pushed the people to the breaking point
Unfortunately for the politicians, the media, assorted “activist” groups and these “immigrants” it is already past the point of no return. They have set in motion a volcanic eruption that will, in the end, will bury the lot of them.
You may scoff and sneer but here is a prediction for you.
You want to see the future of the UK, Europe and the US?
See Bosnia, 1994. The only difference here being that there will be no one coming to the “rescue” of the politicians, the media, assorted “activist” groups and these “immigrants”. If they were smart these “immigrants” would be packing up and going back to where they came from now while they still can.
Like all quasi-fascist movements, the BNP is supremely opportunistic, using legitimate grievances which the political mainstream has ignored as a Trojan horse for its own horrible objective.
People have despaired that the mainstream parties had become so compromised by political correctness that it fell to the BNP to defend commonsense English traditions, such as Christmas celebrations.
The voter wasn’t expressing sympathy for the BNP, but rather saying, in anger and frustration, how did the responsible political parties create a space for these people.
23. John:
There is nothing wrong with a white, christian country wanting to stay predominantly what it is, or a Jewish nation wanting to stay predominantly Jewish or Mexico wanting to stay Mexican.
So the U.S should get rid of African American’s?
It’s to do with immigration,’non white and non-christians’ are British as well
Basing citizenship on colour and religion might sit well in the U.S, it wouldn’t here.
Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love.
However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.
This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.
Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.
To 39. Anonymous
“So the U.S should get rid of African American’s?”
You do understand that their is almost a complete ban on all immigration from africa right?
“Basing citizenship on color and religion might sit well in the U.S, it wouldn’t here.”
Current US immigration policy is however based on color and religion to a lesser part… which is why there is such an uproar and demand to stop said policy…. of course the only way to stop that policy is to ban mexicans both legal and illegal coming to the US for the next few decades.
Also in another point is while brits tend to be accepting of Nazi, Commie, racist and bigoted ideas the US doesn’t
approve of such ideas and the US ppl don’t wish to import ppl holding to such ideals… unlike you and the brits. Ppl in the US don’t want to become Nazis or Commies… we like freedom. What you euros do is up to you but leave us out of your Nazi, Commie, racist and bigoted ideas.
others here have put it well, both Labour and Tories are reaping what they have sown, the growing popularity of the BNP monster is their creation. And all these so-called anti-fascists on the Left are as fascist as the BNP, Jew-hating Muslim terrorist lovers so long as the victims are Jooooos. Amidst all the sound and fury directed the way of Griffin, how is it that the BBC and the Guardian are any different?
Of course the rest of Western Europe is in the same sinking ship and the US and Canada are desperate to follow the same course – the suicide of the West continues apace.
I can’t help but see all this leftist railing about the BNP being “Nazis” and “fascist”, and can’t help but see the left of the US calling anyone who is not a liberal Democrat a “Nazi” and “fascist”.
Sounds like the BNP are probably close to the truth and are scaring the bejesus out of the liberals, so the standard “I can’t win the debate, so I’ll call them Nazis” line comes out.
Good for the BNP. Don’t take no shit off nobody.
In the US, anyone who opposes the Democrat Party – or fails to support it strongly enough – or who otherwise manages to annoy the Democrat Party – sooner or later earns the label “Nazi”. We saw a lot of that during the Bush Administration, when the Democrat Party was not shy about accusing Republicans of being Nazis. “Bushitler” is now part of the American lexicon.
One wonders how the Democrat Party, their syncopants in the state-run media, and the rest of the Far Left would react if an American version of the BNP suddenly emerged. After the initial strategy of “critics of Barack Obama equals racist Nazis” flops, our self-anointed moral and intellectual betters would be as panic-stricken as the British Labour Party currently is. It’s one thing to loudly claim there are Nazis to be found under every Republican bed in America, but it’s quite another to meat a real live Nazi in the flesh.
Full disclosure before I open my trap further. My knowledge of British politics is so rudimentary that a kindergartner might know more. My point of view comes from Israel, and there is no love lost btween me and the Poms whose hypocrisy allowed the death of over a million Jews in Hitler’s death camps in WWII because they were locked out of Mandat Palestine, and whose alliance with the Arabs (an alliance that continues today) damn near killed our chance at having a free nation in our own land. Basically, the Brits can burn in hell, for all I care.
Lucky for you they no longer delete hate speech on this site.
In any case why do you expect the Brits to care about Jews, given that you care nothing for the Brits?
The Brit elites have lived in the echo-chamber for so long that the only voice that they hear is their own. They can little comprehend that the “bloody proles” have a thought of their own as to what it means to be English. They certainly would not agree with what those poor sods think.
I am trying to decide if this will end up like the Bourbons in France of the end of the Wiemar Republic. It seems that blood will end up flowing either way.
One wonders how the Democrat Party, their syncopants in the state-run media, and the rest of the Far Left would react if an American version of the BNP suddenly emerged.
On the other hand … since the Democrat Party thinks that all non-Democrats are Nazis, would they even recognize an anthentic Nazi if ever they saw one? Must ponder this….
The rise of the BNP and similar parties across Europe is good news for Western Civilization. We can come back from BNPism, but not Islamization. The key is that one is a defender (however imperfectly) of Western Civilization and the other loathes it (along with their Western Leftists allies).
Once its clear that Political Correctness has been destroyed via the success of these parties, then the Center Right parties in Europe can return to sane policies, with regards to immigration and the rubbish binning of Multiculturalism as practiced by the Western Left.
The Baby Boomer New Left has been a dissaster for Western
This is a permanent reminder of British perfidy.
Ruvy you rock
Robot
Euros are a joke and are insanely poorly educated in history or facts
Why I am LMAO ?
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser
Labour threw open Britain’s borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a “truly multicultural” country, a former Government adviser has revealed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html#
The outrageous truth slips out: Labour cynically plotted to transform the entire make-up of Britain without telling us
Melanie Philips…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html
In the UK the Labour and Conservative parties have brought this on themselves. With the recent disclosure that the UK government used immigration to deliberately flood the country with the third world what else can you expect people to do except to vote for the BNP? What would you do, keep voting for the same rats? By the way, what will you do when you realize that Ted Kennedy did the same thing to the USA, flooding us with the third world for the same reason?
To be blunt, British soldiers and diplomats deserved to be killed by members of the Stern Gang and the Etzel, and deaths they suffered in the destruction of the King David Hotel were richly deserved – small vengeance for the million Jews who died in Europe.
Interesting that the most hateful and bigoted comments appearing here are from Jews.
Why don’t you tell us what you think of non-Jewish immigration into Israel?
if this will end up like the Bourbons in France
the Bourbon line isn’t over, right now a Bourbon is on Spain throne, and the parallel branch of Bourbon is still alive in France, the Orlean branch ! remember Louis XIV had a brother, a bisexual one, but he got married though and had children !
So if the republic regime would collapse, there is still a pretendant for the throne of France, but I wouldn’t recommend him, the offsprings are a bit weird !
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. And you’re changing the subject. Your own position is indefensible. The Brits didn’t owe anyone a ride to or a place in Palestine. Same as we don’t owe Mexican citizens a job or a home in the US. Your approach blames the Brits because they didn’t do enough. As far as I am concerned, they did their share to end Fascism, adn then some. Hate them if you want. Meanwhile I hope you made aliyah and are putting your money (and hide) where your mouth is. Otherwise you’re letting others take the risks and pay the costs you won’t. Then you get to blame them if they don’t do it to your liking. Most thinking persons can figure out how to react to that. Steve and others did.
“British soldiers and diplomats deserved to be killed by members of the Stern Gang and the Etzel, and deaths they suffered in the destruction of the King David Hotel were richly deserved ”
You’ve really outed yourself there, btw. As the Irish part of my heritage reminds me I could hate the Brits pretty easily – but I don’t because the quest for cosmic justice is futile (and leads to more evil).
While all the screaming and yelling at the BNP is going on, the party elites are really scared of UKIP. But you never heard a word about UKIP on the BBC show….not even in passing. UKIP is presently being rail-roaded into bankruptcy, but a phoenix will arise from the ashes. Besides its Euroskepticism, UKIP is at heart a libertarian and conservative party.
*IT* will likely do better than the BNP as a result. The shit being flung at the BNP may stick, so that the *other* party which is not in love with the EU and multi-culti will benefit.
There is more to this story than the US press are likely to report. The BNP are doing well because the Labour party has abandoned its core consituency, the working class and embraced politically correct values of diversity, multi culturalism and European federalism that working classs votes mistrust and perceive as being against their interests.
There is no real shift towards the extreme right among Britush voters, simply a desire o kick the labour party in bthe groin.
The BNP though pretty unpleasant in their politics and not usually charming as individuals are not neo-nazis, they are anti immigration rather than opposed to any single ethnic group. The only people behaving like Nazis are as you say Than Anti Nazi League and Unite Againt Fascism. Both these groups try to prevent anyone who does not agree with them being heard. The Labour party, the socialists, are however revealing more of their authoritarian tendencies as they get closer to a crushing defeat.
Looked at a little of the video of “Question Time”–which should probably have changed its name to “Lynch Mob” for this special edition, which seemed like one gigantic set-up; the audience was hostile to Griffin and his ideas–boy what a coincidence that was, the panel was hostile to Griffin and his ideas, and so was the “moderator”–who, I naively thought, was supposed to be neutral and actually moderate, instead of reinforcing the hostile tone of the entire set-up.
Today’s news is that the government deliberately let in hordes of hostile unassimilable Muslim “immigrants” so that “multiculturalism”–not debated, not voted on directly but achieved by stealth and misdirection–would be a fait accommplis.
If I were a native Englishman and saw my culture being trampled on and destroyed, England as it was being ground into the dust and my heritage dispised and obliterated and Muslim barbarians occupying the land of my fathers I, too, would be extraordinarily angry, and if the BNP held out the hope of reversing course and other parties just wanted to go full steam ahead, well, the BNP would be who I’d vote for.
Always left wing governance ends up as a form of authoritarian occupation, to which the locals respond by supportong outlaws who challenge the status-quo.
I am not surprised to see how in Britain people are accepting neo-nazis as an alternative to the standard political players – with all the politically correct policies heaped upon them by a mindless bureaucracy, the neo-nazis might be the saviors after all.
By the way, this exactly the rationale used by lefties when justifying the Afghans accepting the Talibans – it sure cuts both ways.
RE #2/paddy: [...] i dont support the bnp. they are in essence the british version of sinn fein , in that they want britain to send recent arrivals out of britain in the same way the ira encouraged people to go or die, in ulster . i do [...]
Paddy, poor soul – in order for communication to occur, the message needs to be understandable.
I don’t know whether the “un-capitalisation” you use in typing is a form of protest or simply ignorance, but its consequence are the same – it betrays a crude, unaccustomed to nuances and logical hierachies mind, and makes your deeply felt oppression rumminations incomprehensible.
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RE #5/Pedrosito: [...] Hey do you notice the lack of interest in British politics? Folk this is the U.S.A in a year or so. [...]
Hasn’t Obama’s return of Churchill bust to Downing Street announce this drift?
Lets watch it again:
“V for Vendetta” :>
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. And you’re changing the subject. Your own position is indefensible. The Brits didn’t owe anyone a ride to or a place in Palestine….
It’s time for you to learn some history, RKV. In late April, in San Remo in 1920, the Brits met with the Italians, French and Americans to adopt ‘Resolutions on Palestine’ to be included in the Treaty of Sèvres, which was being negotiated with the remnant of the Turkish régime. These resolutions created the “Mandate for Palestine”, under which the British undertook to create a Jewish National Home there. The main point of these resolutions was this: sovereignty over all of Palestine (in other words, the Land of Israel) rested with the Jewish People in perpetuity, and with its representatives (and successors in interest).
These resolutions were incorporated into the League Charter creating the Palestine Mandate, and it was the responsibility of the British Empire to facilitate as soon as possible the National Home described therein.
Put in your own terms, the Brits owed the Jewish People that ride. They had made a solemn undertaking to do so in international law. The Brits systematically perverted that undertaking, finally standing it on its head in November 1938, when they closed off the Mandate to Jewish immigration and damned millions of Jews to die at the hands of the Nazis.
The year prior to that act, the Peel Commission, members of the House of Lords requested to investigate the deteriorating situation in the Mandate, interviewed Ze’ev Jabotinsky, amongst many others. He warned them that a human disaster loomed and told them bluntly that if they couldn’t fulfill the Mandate to get out; the Jews could do it themselves.
The Brits refused to fulfill their Mandate – and the human disaster warned of by Jabotinsky did take place – hence the British perfidy.
And in comment #3, I stated right up front what I felt and why.
And finally, let’s get this straight. I live in Samaria. I patrol my village when needed, I serve as a volunteer with the police in Jerusalem. I will kill, if necessary, those who would attempt to terrorize or destroy this village, no matter what uniform they wear, and no matter what human authority they pretend to uphold.
My Covenants are with G-d, the Land and the Law. That is what being a Child of Israel is all about.
Did any of you saying the BNP aren’t neo-NAZI followed any of the links? To compare them to the tea party lot is laughable.
There is a party for fed up non-socialists… UKIP.
41. robotech master:
You do understand that their is almost a complete ban on all immigration from africa right?
You do understand that the B.N.P is not just talking about illegal immigration.
They want to repatriate non- white British citizens
They want those of foreign descent to return to their lands of “ethnic origin”. This would cover many millions of British citizens,including ‘the jews’ irish ,chinese etc,even if legal and have been here for generation’s.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220565/BNP-change-whites-membership-rules-fall-foul-discrimination-laws.html#ixzz0VArCsJ1T
Nick Griffin, chair of the British National Party, has defended party literature which tells members that Asian Britons and black Britons “do not exist”
He is asserting that it is not possible to be British and black at the same time. The obvious corollary to that opinion is a deportation policy
After the blacks and Asians they would then move on to homosexuals, jews, muslims, gypsies etc .
“Also in another point is while brits tend to be accepting of Nazi, Commie, racist and bigoted ideas the US doesn’t
approve of such ideas”
We went to war against the nazi’s and lost millions of lives .The country was bombarded during the Battle of Britain.
Hasn’t your country just voted for a left wing communist-that’s what you seem to be reporting?
“we like freedom.”
Do you truly believe your are the only ‘free’ people? I am assuming you think we are jealous of those unique qualities.
If you do then i am disappointed in the lack of insight.
The great thing about the rise of the BNP, is that they suck support away from Labour and Liberal Dems….thus empowering the Tories and hopefully UKIP becomes the majority party. The BNP adds coalition support for the Culture War on the side of the West and against the Western New Left coalition and their gaggle of Anti Western identity politics groups.
You’re still changing the subject. This article isn’t about the Mandate and all Jewish grievances because they got killed, and you’re trolling. I’ve got as much historical reason to hate Brits as you do, but I’ve got more in my life that. Enjoy your hate. Bye.
The great thing about the rise of the BNP, is that they suck support away from Labour and Liberal Dems….thus empowering the Tories and hopefully UKIP becomes the majority party.
Yes, they have their uses.
It is a pity that UKIP are a bit vague and directionless – they are anti-immigration without being antisemitic or leftist. Don’t forget, the BNP is a party of the left – it believes in state control of industry. National Socialism, remember – people forget the socialist bit.
To 49. Marie Claude
We’ve had many debates already on just that topic and you have always opposed my view and then quickly changed to claim that my view was indeed your view from the start…
To 54. RKV
While I don’t really agree with Ruvy the brits and others euros did almost all of which caused ww2 and did nothing to stop it.(when they could have very very easily stopped it). The euros made that mess and then some… they payed a price for it but not enough to learn from it… for even as we speak they still endorse the same values of hitler and other leftwingers and if hitler were to appear today euros would likely worship him even more then they did in the 20s/30s.
Nobody here cares what anybody outside the U.S. thinks. Why do you insist on foisting this charade on each other? Geez, the disingenuousness around here is relentless.
Too many people on this thread are making the mistake of assuming British political categories correspond to our own. They don’t. Admittedly, the Democrats want to run the country as far from the left as Labour has done, and the Tories do resemble our own watered-down RINO’s these days. But the BNP is not conservative at all in the sense Americans understand the word. As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the BNP is very statist- it just doesn’t want immigrants to be part of it. And it goes beyond just not liking illegal immigration – they don’t like non-white people. They are closer to National Socialism than they are to Margaret Thatcher, who was a true Reaganite in spirit, a believer in free market capitalism. They are not a Brit version of the tea partiers (except of course, in the minds of PJM trolls.) The rise of the BNP is NOT something American conservatives should be cheering and applauding.
Some of the venting against the British on here is just lame. Stick to the subject of the piece please.
The Marxist Left’s primary weapon in destroying Western Civ is mass immigration. The goal is to so fracture a society by importing alien and competing cultures that a nation is incapable of unifying on anything. For example..does anyone really beleive we could unite to fight another WWII?
The code words of this campaign are “Celebrate Diversity”"Tolerance”, “Openness”. The fantastic success of this form of Marxism is that it costumes itself perfectly in the outward strengths of Western Civilization while poisoning it from within. Finally it succeeds because it doesnt have to really do anything, no formal indoctrination, no military force, no formal changes in the host country…just sow confusion, indifference.
The very idea that any Jew in Israel can
harbor the slightest doubt that Israel exists solely because of Western countries is mindboggling.
Israel has fought with incredible fortitude and bravery..but look overhead..those are F-16s and Apaches..look at your economy..you export to the UK and USA..look at the dirt under your feet..it hasnt the
ability to produce a single ton of iron, or an gallon of oil. Can Israel even feed itself?
Oh boy, neo-Nazism and militant Islam on the rise in the same small space. What are the chances of this ending well?
People like Ruvy seem to want to have someone to blame, but surprisingly Ruvi, not everything is so black and white.
Here are a few things for him to mull over:
Tell me, who was Nicholas Winton?
Tell me, who was Frank Foley and who did he work for?
Tell me what you know about KinderTransport?
Who said: “One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe”, and why did they say it?
Explain this portion of a letter written to the Third Reich in Germany by Stern (of The Stern Gang/Lehi)
“…establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. Proceeding from these considerations, [the Lehi] in Palestine, under the condition [that] the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”
Even Winston Churchill, a staunch Zionist, was sick of the Palestinian problem. A quote:
“At one point early in 1945 Winston Churchill became so irritated with continual American shouting about Palestine that he suggested that since the Americans were so unhappy about the way Britain was handling Palestine, “the best solution would be for them to take the job over themselves, I’m not aware that Britain has to vaunt about this painful and thankless task, he said, and someone else should have their turn and the sooner the better”. ”
During the period 1937-1939, the Irgun conducted a campaign of bombings and other acts of violence against Arab civilians.
* Lehi assassinated British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo in 1944. This act alone completely outraged Winston Churchill.
* The killings of several suspected collaborators with the Haganah and the British mandate government during “The Hunting Season” (1944-1945).
* The King David Hotel bombing on July 26, 1946, killing 91 people, most of them civilians: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured. (Considered the 9/11 of it’s time with universal outrage against it). British soldiers were stoned by civilians as they attempted a rescue of the injured.
* Attacked British military airfields and railways several times in 1946.
* The bombing by the Irgun of the British Embassy in Rome in 1946.
* The 1947 reprisal killing of two British sergeants who had been taken prisoner in response to British execution of two Irgun members in Akko prison.
* In September 1948, Lehi assassinated the UN mediator Count Bernadotte, whom Lehi accused of a pro-Arab stance during the cease-fire negotiations.
Try reading this page and see what it was like from the other side:
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
Now how would you feel if your troops were being strung up by piano wire?
Additionally, British soldiers were also incarcerated in Auschwitz, and did all they could to help the Jewish prisoners there. For details of that then read a book called: ‘Spectator in Hell’ by Colin Rushton.
Like I said, nothing is ever so black and white. There is good and bad on all sides. Unless of course you can point me to the flawless man?
Since N & T cares deeply what people in other countries think of us, I’m sure he is heartbroken that Sarkozy (rightly) believes our President to be a fool and naif. That opinion, I am sure, is echoed by Putin, Chavez, and many others – except they say it behind closed doors. And laugh merrily when they contemplate the amateur in the WH.
Sorry, Andrew, back to the matter at hand: the sad thing about the rise of the BNP is that they probably have their share of supporters who are fairly decent people who have been driven to the point of unreasoning rage by the left. Taking pride in the traditions and heritage of one’s own country is not an evil impulse. But it has been treated like one by the Left, who made ordinary Britons feel ashamed for feeling basic patriotism. After years of having the BBC and Labour push multi-culti dreck down their throats – well, an extreme push in one direction creates a reaction of equal force.
And the way the left is handling it now seems guaranteed to drive even more people into the BNP.
Ironically, the BNP, the party which claims to stand for “Britishness,” strikes me as very unBritish. You are becoming more like the Continentals – and not in a good way.
Well the riots in places like Luton and others is probably a hint of what might happen unless its properly dealt with.
BNP is not Neo Nazism..it is simply the common sense expression of Brits sick to death with the destruction of their nation by Cultural Marxism. In another century Nelson, Pitt, or Churchill would have found
BNP much closer to their own hearts than the craven surrender of England by Labour
BNP is not Neo Nazism..it is simply the common sense expression of Brits sick to death with the destruction of their nation by Cultural Marxism. In another century Nelson, Pitt, or Churchill would have found
BNP much closer to their own hearts than the spinelessness of Labour
Hmm. Typing from under the looming presence of a bookshelf creaking under the complete oxford history of England and the complete set of Clarendons History of the Civil war (this one didn’t involve Robert E. Lee) etc etc, I wonder if England would indeed descend into anarchy and chaos at present rates of population-growth “disparities” among the contending factions. Perhaps they (BNP) should start with expelling the flemings -the original furriners. How about the battenbergs? or Saxe-coburgs? hmm. Is Griffin a flemish name? or possibly Welsh. Maybe expel the welsh from England first. But keep Katherine Jenkins you dern fools. Also, free England from unrelenting Scottish domination.
Well, all good things must come to an end. After having sown the seeds of individual liberty all over the world, now England is sinking. How tragic. Hopefully the NASCAR-loving rednecks here will maintain a healthy replacement ratio and save America. And Save Mark Steyn from sleepless nights. God bless & etc.
Taking pride in the traditions and heritage of one’s own country is not an evil impulse. But it has been treated like one by the Left — DonnaV
And not just in the UK. But right on point DonnaV.
Every culture and group of people have been praised and fawned over and promoted over the Indigenous White European Christian Male. These groups are encouraged to celebrate their heritage and culture and have their own political activist groups and segregated institutions. But not these Native Indigenous whose institutions and traditions are forced to promote “diversity” and “inclusion.” Their history rewritten to suit others.
Frankly the faster that the Western Left Zeitgeist is broken and this PC nonsense tossed on the rubbish heap of bad Leftwing ideas, the better.
Its a shame, because they could have included the White Indigenous European Male to participate in their twisted identity politics and multicultralism….instead of making them the enemy to unite disparate groups against them through peddling resentment and fear.
But alas…
Indentity politics is a bad idea, but the Left made that bad idea even worse in making the indigenous the enemy and dissallowing them to participate.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
My hope is that after the apologia and treasonous support for Sovietism and Communism and now this…that the Western Left will be so discredited that they will be ashamed to speak their poison in public after the reorganization of populations in Europe. They will be ridiculed in public and find it hard to find gainful employment(unless they keep their poisonous thoughts to themselves).
I dont think the Left gets it, they are still mouthing vapid multicultural affirmative action drivel and pushing identity politics and special laws, rights, priveleges, preferences, and doles based on identity markers. You are right to call it rage, DonnaV.
Re #70/Now and Then: [...] Nobody here cares what anybody outside the U.S. thinks. Why do you insist on foisting this charade on each other? [...]
For someone who’s foamy-mouthed hollering day-in day-out about homosexual oppression in Mongolia or about the Buddhheads in Tibet having not the right butter for breakfast (or for something else), this is quite a remark -
RE 30/biblio44: [...] In fact, the BNP’s criticisms of Obama sound strikingly like those posted daily on PJM. [...]
Wrong – for any informed & intelligent observer (of course this excludes liberals), it clearly appears that the American liberals and their tyranical ways are the equivalent of Germany’s nazis and Russia’s bolsheviks -
So far, luminous commisar biblio44, you cannot commit me to Vorkuta for a lifetime term for expressing my views on things. But with luminous president Obama in office – may the Materialism Dialectic make him live ten thousand years! – I began to be very worried about what I say, whom I meet, about what cousin Deedee really said at the prom in 1987, about our relatives in Melbourne and Pernambucco, about my nocturnal visits to the basement to listen the AM or Fox news.
I think that most PJM readers share my concerns – but I stop here, I don’t want to put my wife or children in the situation of having to confes that I am a WrongThought.
With deep despise -
Your misanthropicus -
“Some of the venting against the British on here is just lame.”
I seem to remember a wise Englishman’s quip about “Two peoples, separated by a common language”. Add some Israelis, Aussies, French and who knows who else to the conversation, and look out.
With the rise of the European Union, problems with fringe parties will only get worse. The Belgian Vlaams Belang, French Front Nationale, Austrian Freedom Party, German Republikaner . . . they are springing up throughout the E.U. They will only gain influence as the statist nobs in the established parties continue to ignore or belittle the legitimate concerns of British and European citizens. Where else can said citizens turn?
As these (formerly) fringe parties elect more of their members to the European Parliament, things are going to get really interesting . . .
I think the English elite have to suspend democracy wile they fix this problem. Quick import more Muslims, they understand Civilization better and will vote for new labor.
WoW fascism has returned. Franco has been dead for 36 years and it’s back. Whats worse is it is logical.
Poor white English have to share the welfare state with labors imported voting block the Muslims. If I was English I would be mad as hell. England once had the Danes law, an area wear the Danish invaders law and custom predominated. England now has colonial pockets of Muslims wear Sharia is the custom if not yet the law.
Give me Christianity and Capitalism, keep your Nationalism and Socialism.
“53. Marie Claude:
if this will end up like the Bourbons in France
the Bourbon line isn’t over, right now a Bourbon is on Spain throne, and the parallel branch of Bourbon is still alive in France, the Orlean branch ! remember Louis XIV had a brother, a bisexual one, but he got married though and had children !
So if the republic regime would collapse, there is still a pretendant for the throne of France, but I wouldn’t recommend him, the offsprings are a bit weird !”
Lets do it! If Fascism can return we can bring back Monarchy. The current King of Spain played a key role terminating Fascism in Spain. He is a great model.
The US should offer the throne to Brad Pitt.
If things get ugly in the UK, America led by Obama will offer thos unassimilated Muslims asylum…and the disaster will begin here for a couple of generations. Only our rednecks ( and I’m one) still have guns.
Follow the link to Melanie Phillips’ article written before when on the air. The BNP has tried to cover it’s pro Nazi habits but they keep blowing it. One of their young rising stars let a camera crew follow him around for quite a while. In time he got too comfortable with his new friends and he let slip his admiration for Adolph. They are National Socialists who believe the nanny state should be for the British natives. Not exactly conservative.
Andrew Dodge wrote:
“Did any of you saying the BNP aren’t neo-NAZI followed any of the links? To compare them to the tea party lot is laughable.
There is a party for fed up non-socialists… UKIP.”
1) The BNP are a lot of things, but neo-nazi, they are not. And the moment you come out with this already long ago debunked rubbish, the people you’re trying to reach switch off and file you under ‘clueless’ (rightly or wrongly) — not a good starting point if you want to reach people. Another thing you may want to consider that people are getting so desperate that anyone who is willing to tell the truth (even a neo-nazi) is viewed by now as the lesser evil by many Brits. The only way this can be gotten at is by fixing the causes, not by bemoaning the symptoms.
Besides, what real neo-nazi would support Israel against Hamas over Gaza? The real neo-nazis are very friendly with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Grey Wolf and outfits like Milli Gorus… there is a long history between those people too, see here: http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com
For the BNP to be Neonazi AND call Islam a ‘wicked vicious faith’ is an impossibility…
2) UKIP is about the bankrupted due to illegal dealings involving donations (not quite fair by the establishment either, but thems the rules and so…) and even if they somehow survive this one, UKIP is the Nigel Farrage one-man show and has shown itself to be a corrupt outfit run by professional shysters posing as politicians in order to cream off the masses of perks and free money that elected MEPs get whilst doing sweet FA for the people who have elected them. It would be off-topic to delve into that, but a cursory google is your friend here, it’s not hard to find out who and what they really are.
Ruvy, you’re a damned idiot. That’s for starters. You’re also lying through your teeth about the British role in Palestine. That’s right, LYING. Read the Balfour Declaration again, fool. Then tell me that it doesn’t enjoin the British to take just as good care of the indigenes as it does of the Jews.
I’m a very pro-Israeli American who has been to Israel numerous times, but being pro-Israeli doesn’t justify the outright lies you’re spouting. The Brits COULD NOT have “opened the gates” to Palestine to let the European Jews in. Had they done so, the Allies might well have lost the Second World War. Hell, the Colonial Office (responsible for Palestine) WANTED to let them in. Read the Peel Commission report.
The Foreign Office, led by Anthony Eden, told Chamberlain’s government that they would have a Mideast-wide revolt that could not be subdued if they didn’t adopt a REALLY pro-Arab policy. Britain simply couldn’t take the risk in 1938, and it’s a damned good thing they didn’t. Iraq’s revolt was tough enough to deal with, stretched militarily as they were.
As it was, they truly, honestly strove to be evenhanded and all it got them was dead soldiers and the world’s contempt. Who seconded Orde Wingate to you? Who stopped the Arabs from the pogroms they would have committed every other year from the start of the Mandate until the Second World War? The British saved the vast majority of the world’s Jews from Moloch, and ungrateful bastards like you have the nerve to curse them for not doing more. After the King David and the cold-blooded murder of Sergeants Martin and Paice, you’re damned lucky they didn’t hurt you a hell of a lot worse. You deserved it and no less a person than David Ben-Gurion has written so.
Jews like you blew up and hung the people who made it possible for you to even have a country, and American Jews like you vote for the damned Democrats who hate your country and would gladly see the Muslims finish Hitler’s work. Anyone who called you Jews a lot of insanely ungrateful bastards would have one hell of a lot of justification for the statement.
I think that the growth and rise to power of organizations/parties like the BNP in the UK and Vlaams Belang and others on the Continent are an inevitable reaction to mainstream parties very obviously selling out those they are supposedly representing and—along the way–destroying their common Western Christian heritage, religion and culture in the process; Nazi, neo-Nazi, Nativist, or just Conservative—however you want to identify and/or stigmatize them, if they fill a vacuum, if they speak to the needs of the people—who are ignored and despised, they will gain power. In the case of the UK, the results of this sellout are obvious and visible everywhere, are seen and felt every day by Englishmen all throughout the land; harsh sandpaper that rubs them raw each day. I am actually quite surprised that it has taken so long for an outfit like the BNP to start to gain major traction.
I had expected the English yeomen with pitchforks to have turned out long ago to “scour the shire,” and I do expect them to turn out in the future. If the government pursues its present course, I will be very surprised, indeed, if this situation doesn’t end in some sort of bloodshed, and perhaps major bloodshed.
As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the BNP is very statist- it just doesn’t want immigrants to be part of it. And it goes beyond just not liking illegal immigration – they don’t like non-white people. They are closer to National Socialism than they are to Margaret Thatcher
I feel compelled to point out that disliking non-white people is not the essence of National Socialism. Virtally of all of the people the Nazis hated were in fact white people, includng the Jews. So trying to make an equivalence between the BNP and the National Socialists on this score does not work.
He is asserting that it is not possible to be British and black at the same time. The obvious corollary to that opinion is a deportation policy
After the blacks and Asians they would then move on to homosexuals, jews, muslims, gypsies etc .
Are you really asserting that there are no British homosexuals, or that the BNP thinks there are not? Your BNP seems to be a projection of your own fears rather than a description of the real world.
Steve, the Nazis believed the Jews (and the Gypsies) to be a different – and inferior – race and treated them accordingly. There were very, very few non-whites to target in Europe in the 1940′s.
On the other hand, this is precisely the sort of thing that fuels the emotions behind the BNP:
Two men from Chicago who went to military school in Pakistan face terrorism charges for allegedly targeting the Jyllands-Posten newspaper, which outraged hardline Muslims by publishing the 12 cartoons in 2005.
The men allegedly planned to kill Flemming Rose, the cultural editor, and Kurt Westergaard, the cartoonist..
David Headley, 49, a US citizen who changed his name from Daood Gilani in 2006, was arrested at O’Hare International airport, Chicago, on October 3… Mr Headley is charged with conspiracy to commit terrorist acts involving murder and maiming outside the US, which carries a life sentence.
While in Denmark he allegedly posed as a potential advertiser on behalf of a Chicago business, First World Immigration Services, run by Tahawwur Hussain Rana. Court papers indicate that Mr Headley and Mr Rana, 48, a Pakistani-born Canadian citizen, who is reported to be a former Pakistani army captain, went to the same military school in Hasan Abdal, Pakistan.
Mr Rana, who was arrested in Chicago on October 18, faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted of lending material support to a terrorist conspiracy
Yes, this happened in Chicago, but the UK has certainly seen it’s share of both home-grown and imported jihadis. If the ruling elites are going to keep on denying the problem, people will turn to those who offer more than PC platitudes about “the religion of peace.”
Nope nothing neo-Nazi about BNP nothing… this is just a bunch of chaps having a good day out. And this guy loves the Jews as does this official of the BNP.
95. Steve:
What?
I am not defending the BNP. The point i am making is that the policies are not just about immigration,this is the issue that allows the trogan horse in.
They want to repatriate not just non-white and non christain they hate everybody, even British citizens.I am irish ,we came over to the U.K. when i was 2yrs.
I have worked here for 20yrs pay my taxes here,i could be kicked out.
They want the equivalent of your african american citizens who’s history goes back hundreds of years,sent back to ‘their country’
even if they have never even been there.
The BNP is a racist ,homophobic party that has been inciting violence against many groups.
‘The BNP discourages homosexuality, arguing that it is unnatural.
“We would offer counselling to get people away from their deviant lifestyles, or ask them to become celibate,” he added.’
They have stated that aids is gods revenge on gays.Early in the formation of the BNP they wanted to re-criminalise homosexualty.
They have had to clean up some of their policies but scratch the surface.
Ruvy: You think someone like me gives a damn what any Englishman says he thinks, when your diplomats call us a “shitty little country”?
It was the French Ambassador who said that.
You are so filled with bigotry and hatred for the British you can’t get basic facts straight.
Ruvy: Let me teach you a saying I learned from the Irish who lived in the North Bronx many years ago when I was a member of the North Bronx Republican Club.
“First, there are the Irish;
then there are the people who wish they were Irish;
then there are the English, who wish they were people.”
You do, of course, realise that the Irish are among the most anti-Israel populations in Europe? The British, according to polls, are among the most pro-Israel. In Belfast Protestants (ie British) put up Israelis flags but the Catholics (ie Irish) wave Palestinian flags. A quick Google search will confirm this.
Ruvy: the Brits can burn in hell, for all I care
You’re all heart.
Back in early-30s Germany there were many people attracted to the National Socialists because they were the only party talking about the country’s problems. They were drawn in, even though they knew that there was much about the party which was questionable. The 40% of the population that voted Nazi didn’t vote for the Holocaust; they voted for the party that addressed their issues. Sounds like something similar is happening with the BNP. Part of me is very skeptical about them; another part of me says, “Good on ‘em for not bowing to the multi-culti PC bullroar.”
The UKIP tried to do it the nice way, and got railroaded into near bankruptcy by the political establishment.
I have a lot of questions about the BNP, but as someone said above, “Good for ‘em, not taking no $h!t off of nobody”. I have to give credit where it’s due.
It was the French Ambassador who said that
tiens donc ! nah, it’s not me, it’s him, the french bastard LMAO
I’m baba in front of a such logic
I support Ruvy, perfidy is a british invention
Marie Claude: nah, it’s not me, it’s him, the french bastard LMAO
I’m baba in front of a such logic
So Daniel Bernard was British?
I made the mistake of stating a full disclosure of my general dislike and contempt for the British when qualifying what I had to say at comment #3. All the comments directed at me on this comment thread have been directed towards that full disclosure – making any answers I give to them open to the charge of not sticking to the topic (the BNP) or trolling.
So, a simple, general statement for the lot of you. There will be no others after this one on this comment thread.
A true history of the Jewish People over the last hundred and fifty years would make Jews sick with regret and soul-searching, and would make Jew-haters jump with glee and pleasure. While I do believe that telling the truth is better than lying, sometimes silence in some quarters is better than truth.
Having said that, I’ll make only these points.
1. The Jew’s desire to run away from persecution and/or from his own faith, or to cooperate with non-Jewish authorities, has led to more Jewish deaths than being loyal to the faith.
2. The greatest causes of Jewish deaths in the last 120 years, as well as decline in Jewish culture, has been Jewish assimilation and Jewish intermarriage (all forms of silent genocide) AND THE REFUSAL TO GO HOME TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
3. Commenters above have pointed out (accurately) some ugly chapters in Jewish history. All of them fall into one of the two categories above.
4. Finally, for all of you who are Jews, I strongly recommend reading this essay, and thinking carefully about it. It is not pleasant reading, but it is the brutal, unvarnished and unpleasant truth – and Jews who expect to make it through Divine Redemption had better be ready to face brutal, unvarnished unpleasant truths about themselves as individuals, as well as about the Jewish People as a whole.
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Off topic again, I see. Professional help might be in order for your fixation.
The UKIP tried to do it the nice way, and got railroaded into near bankruptcy by the political establishment.
So very true and a great shame.
colsty,
too bad, your link is wikipedia, and not available in FRENCH, so, my bet it’s a Brit BS
BNP’s association with “Nazi” falls apart upon the slightest honest inspection. So who is Hitler then eh?
Nick Griffin? If you have him hold a pocket comb against his upper lip he might make it in a Monty Python skit. And thats how far fetched you have to go to make this analogy work..but dont worry the leftist morons will automatically run and fetch it no matter how far they have to run. Who is really demonstrating a indoctrinated mind here?
As an American who is married to a British subject and is politically incorrect enough to actually give a toss for the indigenous folks of the British Isles I say this- Long live the BNP and a healthy twos up to all wankers who label them “neo-nazi!”
As a Brit who saw his home city of 300,000 people go from all indigenous in 1962 to 90% Indian Subcontinent by the time I was 18. Who saw his parents have to move from that city of their forefathers to a small town 300 miles away to be with other anglo-saxons. Who left the UK for New Zealand 15 years ago because I was heartily sick of the society that was developing there – Muslim, socialist, multicultural, PC. Call it what you will. There was no respect for human life, freedom of speech or thought. I had given up hope. Europe will soon become a Muslim continent. The demographics are compelling. In 50 years, if an American woman wants to see Europe she will have to put a bag over her head and cut eye slots in it. The BNP may seem extreme to those of you who have never been to Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Leicester, vast areas of London, Bristol and Liverpool and a whole host of English towns that now look and feel like Calcutta or Tehran. Believe it. Try Antwerp, Rotterdam, Paris. Islam is the greatest threat to science and freedom the world has ever seen. To argue about Jews and Nazis is to completely miss the threat and fight a battle between freedom loving peoples. The new battle has begun. Any tolerance of Islam is taken as a weakness and exploited. How many Muslims condemn violence and oppression and fight for freedom? Almost none. It is a cruel, violent, misogynistic medieval cult. If the BNP can ruthlessly destroy it, good for them. I see no other hope except in America and a handful of other countries. Do not think I am extreme. I am a middle aged physician, a freedom loving democrat whose father spent over 3 years as a Jap POW. I am very middle of the road. But my eyes are opened. May yours be. Fight for the freedom of your Grandchildren.
The BNP got well and truly hammered at the debate and exposed themselves as the simplistic, bigotted, people of low self esteem they are and represent. Just like the BNP their leader had no point, it was like giving representation to monster raving looney party.
For those that wish to remove the BNP there might be a strategic solution. Under UK race relations act an organisation cannot ban an individual on the colour of their skin. Action orientated activists could try to do one of two things:
1 – People of a skin pigment offensive to the BNP should join the BNP on the same day on mass, enouph to cover the majority of voting rights within the party. They should then use their voting power to take over the board and disband it.
2 – If they get refused, they begin a mountain of race claims (this has started), which consumes the BNP resources on lawyers etc
This non violent approach is sure to bring out the worst side of the BNP members, thereby loosing the battle of ideas by resorting to violence and exposing their perverted morality, making it plain to all what would happen to individual freedom and liberty if they gained any more power.
Alas the BNP is just a symptom of greater social problem, but hey, who is John Galt?!
I HAVE BEEN A SUPPORTER OF THE BNP FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS,I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE NAZI,MY GRAND FATHER FOUGHT IN THE 1 WORLD WAR AS A 16 YEAR OLD, MY FATHER IN KOREA,THE PEOPLE OF THE WESTERN ISLES HAVE ALWAYS APPOSED REICHS DOWN THOUGH OUR HISTORY1 PHILIP OF SPAIN 2NEPOLIAN 3 HITLER 4 STALIN 5 CHINA ,6 ISLAM 7 BLACK NAZI SM ,BREEDING WHITES OUT OF EXISTANCE, THE LAST TWO ARE WITH US NOW.AS FOR THE JEW ON THIS BLOG WHO HATES THE BRITS, ALL I CAN SAY IS GO VIST NORMANDY IN FRANCE AND WALK AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF DEAD JEW, POMS,YANKS,AUSSIES,KIWIS,ECT ECT,THAT GAVE THIER LIVES THAT YOU MAY HAVE YOUR TODAY?