British Media Still Touts Obama, but Conservatives Gaining a Voice
If many Americans have been surprised at the manner in which Mitt Romney has reversed the trajectory of the election campaign in the past few weeks, Britons taking a passing interest in the contest are thoroughly bemused. For the past few months, since the British media began paying close attention, the narrative has been a slightly more exaggerated and simplistic version of the one that — until the first presidential debate — held sway in the U.S.: Barack Obama, still personally popular despite the struggling economy, was almost certain to defeat the gaffe-prone, out-of-touch-rich-guy Romney.
While U.S. conservatives are used to having their news distorted by the mainstream media, in Britain the news from the U.S. is subject to an additional process of filtering and spin. Due to constraints of airtime and space, the British media tends to take the “consensus” of what’s newsworthy from their U.S. counterparts. Stories that already were chosen to suit the liberal bias of the U.S. media are then edited for UK consumption, which has the effect of stripping away any remaining context, nuance, and balance.
As in the States, our election coverage has been deferential to Obama, while every real or imagined Romney gaffe has been pounced upon. “Controversial” Romney remarks — like his perfectly reasonable response to the attacks on U.S. embassies to the poorly phrased “47 percent” speech — have been widely reported. Yet few in the UK are familiar with “you didn’t build that.”
It doesn’t help that the first many Brits saw of Romney was during his Olympic visit to London, when the UK media attacked him for raising the same security concerns that … the UK media had been reporting for weeks.
You might think Mitt would get a fairer hearing in the UK than he does at home, given that a larger proportion of newspapers lean to the right politically in Britain than in the States, but it’s not as simple as that. For a variety of reasons, Republicans tend to be portrayed less favorably here, both in media coverage and in the popular culture in general, than Democrats. Broadly speaking, the received wisdom in the last three decades has been: Reagan, the Bushes, and now Romney — bad; Clinton and Obama — good.
Perhaps most significantly, the media agenda in Britain is still set to a large degree by the hugely influential and publicly funded BBC, whose liberal-left biases permeate its vast swath of programming, from news and current affairs to comedy and drama. The BBC was an early and enthusiastic supporter of Obama and has always shilled for the Democrats; along with the Guardian newspaper, it’s also largely responsible for propagating amongst Britons the stereotype of Republicans, and conservatives in general, as red-necked, gun-toting religious fanatics.
A second factor is that the center of political gravity in Britain is a good way further to the left than in the U.S., so even right-leaning British newspapers tend to view elements of U.S. conservatism as extreme — particularly with regard to “social issues” such as abortion, gun control, and gay marriage. The embrace of religion that informs some of those social issue positions is in itself a trait that both amuses and unsettles Britons, and our media and cultural elites in particular. You’ll rarely hear even a Conservative politician invoke God in a speech, and the fact that the leader of the opposition Labour party is openly atheist is not controversial.
Into this mix you can add the streak of what we might call “establishment anti-Americanism” that transcends the political divide in Britain, and which has its roots in America’s displacement of Britain as a global power in the years following the Second World War. This typically manifests itself in a perceived crudeness and irresponsibility on the part of Americans in their attitude to the rest of the world and the foreign policies of their leaders in particular. Just recently, I watched a pundit on a BBC panel show call Romney a “cowboy,” to general approval, in the context of a discussion about foreign policy; the same term was routinely used to mock George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan before him.
And this kind of snobbery isn’t confined to the BBC and the Guardian; it’s regularly on show in the ostensibly conservative Telegraph and Mail newspapers, notwithstanding the columnists mentioned below. I suspect that this is because some British conservative commentators are keen to win the approval of the left-leaning cultural mainstream (and to secure coveted invitations to appear on those BBC panel shows). Left-wing pundits need to make no such accommodation.
While this anti-Americanism is evident on both the right and left, it’s directed disproportionately towards Republicans and conservatives for the simple reason that they’re comfortable talking about American exceptionalism, refuse to apologize for their country, and loudly extol its virtues of freedom and self-reliance. Democrats and liberals, on the other hand — as exemplified by President Obama — are rather more reticent about standing up for America, and tend to defer to other countries and international bodies such as the United Nations. In the eyes of the British and other foreign media, therefore, they “know their place”.
Unique to this election cycle, there’s also the “Obama effect.” In Britain, as elsewhere around the globe, the symbolism of the election of America’s first black president made an impression, and few in the media can bring themselves to acknowledge that he’s failed. Meanwhile, the tabloid newspapers in particular are too busy swooning over his latest appearance with champagne-guzzling rappers or Hollywood stars to pay much attention to unemployment numbers or the national debt. Even the more serious “broadsheet” newspapers still go weak at their collective knees when the president turns on the “cool.”
All that said: there are several reporters and columnists in Britain’s right-of-center press whose coverage of the election campaign has been broadly supportive of Republicans and occasionally verges on out-and-out cheerleading for Romney, and who have no qualms about tearing into Obama. Some of the most incisive election coverage has come from Toby Harnden, the Mail’s U.S. editor, and from the Telegraph’s Timothy Stanley. Also worth reading at the Telegraph are the American-born Janet Daley, Nile Gardiner, and Daniel Hannan, the Conservative Euro MP who’s something of a hero with American conservatives for his attacks on Obamacare. Among new media, The Commentator is unrivaled in its coverage of U.S. politics and conservative issues in general.
But does the British media’s take on the election campaign and on U.S. politics in Britain really matter? After all, American conservatives don’t need to look to Britain or anyone else for validation of their beliefs. And back in 2004, the Guardian tried to influence the election by orchestrating a letter-writing campaign to persuade voters in Clark County, Ohio, to vote for John Kerry, and the effort backfired; Clark was the only county in the state to turn from blue in 2000 to red that year.
However, it’s easier than ever for opinions and ideas to cross national boundaries. And while conservatives may be as immune to the bias of the foreign media as they are to that of their own, less ideological voters are more susceptible, particularly if they’re being told — as was the refrain during the Bush years — that their country’s standing in the world would be improved were they only to put a Democrat in the White House.
So U.S. conservatives should be wary of the British media’s influence, and be prepared to counter inaccurate and distorted attacks. But they should also know that there are plenty of Britons who love America, respect the religious beliefs of its people, and aren’t embarrassed to call ourselves conservative. We’re rooting for our allies across the pond, and for Mitt Romney.






EVERY group has a few sane voices, but Euros, for the most part, want their gravy train of cradle to grave entitlements to keep on giving. This is why many are rioting all over Europe, despite their bankrupt economies. Is it any wonder they mostly tout the Pyromaniac-in-Chief?
The issue has less to do with Repubs & Dems, but more to do with the mentally infused ideology/dogma of leftism. And this dogma has many attributes of a mental disorder.
DESPITE ALL the evidence to the contrary, they continue down the same destructive path – zombie-like. This is why so many people – even intelligent ones – swooned at the sight of The One in 2008, and many are still committed to ‘him’.
http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma-the-same-world-over-freedom-loving-people-beware-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-32-2/
Getting through to them is akin to making inroads with a bi-polar person off their meds. It ain’t gonna happen.
The British are not ‘Euros’, and never will be, the attempts of the British civil servants and may politicians notwithstanding.
It is a bit annoying when people who are otherwise extremely well informed in matters political are apparently incapable – or perhaps willing – to see the difference.
The Brits do not see themselves as Euros and thankfully are resisting the EU effots for political integration.
Nevertheless it is a matter of perspective. To us here in the United States they are quite a bit ore European tha we are.
From my American perspective, I also live in Europe, and I live in the same country as Adina. Why not explain the difference? Retaining the Pound? The Castle doctrine (stronger even than in the US, I think)?
The Israeli media is also pushing Obama in a way the American media cannot. Similar to the way the American media pushes the attitudes of the Israel far-left. They’re all one club, and in foreign countries they can get away with it.
If the Israeli media elected the president, Obama would win i na landslide.
If the Israeli PUBLIC elected the president, Romeny would win overwhelmingly.
Nice article Mike,
a great follow up to Mr Ledeen’s piece yesterday. You forgot James Delingpole who was way ahead with his book “Obamaland”. Also Peter Hitchens,Christopher Hitchens younger but no less pugnacious brother.
Look, I’ve lived here in Euroland for the past 17 yrs. & am still a conservative. Euros are a godless bunch, thus they worship at the alter of socialism & liberalism. See Ann Coulter…
Frankly, they believe in nothing. Corruption in rampant in the EU & often not reported.
Conservatives are looked as ignorant apes barely able to walk on their hind feet. Anything conservative is ridiculed and laughed at.
But they do love O. He takes the place of God in their lives & they think all of the world’s hopes are wrapped up in him as savior.
And, the laughable thing is they have no clue of why they are in the terrible financial state they are in. Socialists all, they just throw more money at everything & want more taxes. See Greece….
In all honesty, euros are the most politically naive people I’ve ever seen. Virtually anyone waving a red banner, for unions or that is a homosexual or wants no borders is a shoo in.
Their culture is dead, dead,dead. There are now actually more mosques in the UK than churches! Some nations like Finland have more people shacking up than married & most kids are born out of wedlock.
No really knows who their parents are anymore.
Euroland is a dying place. Birthrate always decrease, little or no productivity & they are stuck back in 1917 Marxism.
And, the big secret is that other than the UK, no one in Europe is our friend. They despise us & simply want our money.
True story-former US ambassador told me that 62% of all Bulgarians want to immigrate to the US, but only 31% like Americans.
It is the envy & jealousy.
Europe will never amount to more than a hill of beans anymore. It is downhill all the way…
Bulgaricus, what do you think about other eastern European countries outside of Bulgaria? Here in America, we get the impression from media like the National Review that countries like Poland are still relatively pro-American and Christian, but I wonder sometimes. People like Lech Walesa have been voices of good sense, but what’s going on with the younger generations there? Do you think countries like Poland and Romania are going to hell too, as western Europe is?
Fro mthe little I can tell – I work all day with Romania, but I have a very narrow perspective – Romania is still very religious, although the more educated may be a lot more like Western Europe.
One problem is that traditional Christian anti-semitism is alive and well. (Remember, this is the Orthodox Church, which I don’t think even apologized for anything.) I don’t mean overrated concepts like “hate”, or that it is expressed against individuals; I myself have received a lot of help and understanding with my religious needs – it is more that people, perfectly fair-minded people, truly believe in the Internatinal Jewish Conspiricy and all that implies. A bit like American Moslems.
Interesting, mzk1. Thanks.
Bulgaricus – I’m English and I agree with almost every word you said – but please don’t mislead people: “There are now actually more mosques in the UK than churches!” That’s simply not true, nowhere near. In London you’ll still walk past 15 Christian churches before you’ll see a mosque. There are still huge swathes of England that are rural, dotted with thousands of villages, each of which has a church, whereas almost none has a mosque.
You’d be perfectly entitled to state that the Church of England is dying on its feet, its churches full of the elderly, its squishy liberal “leadership” serving as the theological wing of the Labour Party just as the BBC is the broadcasting wing of the Labour Party; but nevertheless, there are not yet more mosques than churches, though tragically and terrifyingly, in terms of dynamism and social influence (if I can use two positive terms to describe something so bleak and ugly), there may as well be, and there surely one day WILL be.
America – resist anyone who wants to make America more like a European country. We are, in Eliot’s words, the hollow men – do the world a favour and stay American. One day we may regret stitching our mouths to the government teat, and Americans may be the only people left with a scalpel big enough to set us free.
Horsepucky! There may be 15 churches before you see a mosque in England, but those churches are empty! Your people are virtually godless. Going on the DM pages Christians are mocked mercilessly. There are rumors your future king has converted to islam and your head of church has publically stated that the UK will be a muslim majority country soon. Add to the mix of your subjuects are arrested and JAILED for speaking out about sharia and islam while muslims are free to rape your daughters and yell DEATH TO ENGLAND and you’ll excuse me if I’m already past mourning for your country. Just stick a fork in because you are done!
lolly, I think you have misunderstood Henryflower, or perhaps didn’t read to the end of his post. He said further down, “…there are NOT YET more mosques than churches, though tragically and terrifyingly, in terms of dynamism and social influence, … there may as well be, and there surely one day WILL be.” Henryflower is aware of the “empty churches,” and I’m sure he’s (?) reading the same reports we are of Brits being denied their rights out of deference to the “Asians,” as political correctness requires them to be called. It was a gentle correction, not a denial of reality.
Lolly, you may as well claim that America is ‘done’ because it has ministers who are FREE to preach GOD DAMN AMERICA – ministers who have been formative influences on your President, no less. Now, tell me where you’d like me to stick that fork…
DC…..But any large city will do.
Don’t think for a moment I claim the high ground here. I’m sick to death of the smut that passes for culture here. I also firmly believe we ARE being judged because we have – as a nation – turned our face from God.
Lolly, as Karen kindly points out it was not remotely my intention to diminish the seriousness of the situation our politicians have landed us in with regards to Islam in our country. However, by your own standards of logic and evidence I might as well claim that America is ‘done’ because you have ministers who are FREE to preach GOD DAMN AMERICA, ministers who are formative influences on your President no less. Now, where would like me to stick that fork you mentioned…
Karen is correct – I did not read to the end of your post and no one mourns what I see happening in England (I could give a toss for Scotland and Ireland) more than I do – except, of course, the English, themselves. I LOVE England! I love your past and I love what you have brought (civilization) to the world and my heritage is English. I’ve always been proud of that heritage and I can’t understand how all our English speaking countries (Canada, Australia, US, New Zealand) have allowed the trash in our midst to COMPLETELY take over!
Anyway – my apologies for my harsh tone. I guess I’m “angry” because I really DO care. You and yours are in my prayers!
Amen to that. It’s a tragedy and a disgrace, a disaster, and I’m as angry as you are, believe me. Nicely said, lolly.
Actually you are quite right! Just looked it up. There are 37,509 churches in the UK and 2,236 mosques. So, I must apologize. However, I would say that there are far more muslims that take their faith seriously there than there are committed Christians. That is only my opinion, but you would probably know better than me!
I couldn’t agree more. Christianity in England has as much chance of resisting sharia as net curtains and cups of tea.
The biggest problem is the BBC. No conservative politician ever gets to speak their mind without the full weight of the state broadcaster descending on them and essentially destroying them. Until the BBC is broken up there will be no possibility of the people of this country getting their politicians to reflect the actual views of the British people.
Don’t you folks have anti-trust laws on monopolies? I know you nail private companies with them (at least the EU part of you does). Use it – nail them with it.
Either that or you simply have to change your approach. Get a friendly billionaire to create a new station (that’s how we got FOX). They’ll love it just for the ego factor.
I KNOW you can do it!
I’ve been reading the Daily Mail every day for years just to remind me that in spite of Obama America is still a wonderful place to live and do business. It also informs me about what America will end up as if Obama is elected again- and that is very scary and depressing. You already have your death panels running the NHS, and the Liverpool Care Pathway controversy will be coming to a hospital near me if Obama”care” is continued. I also read all the British conservative commentators you mentioned and enjoy them immensely. Your highbrow television programs(like Upstairs is Just as Boring as Downstairs) on American PBS suck- they alone are a good reason to get rid of Obama and PBS. I went to London in the early 80′s and enjoyed it and the people very much- you couldn’t give me a trip there today without my concealed carry permit.
The “establishment anti-Americanism” you mention isn’t snobbery, it’s jealousy. It’s a reminder that until Britain lurched to the left after WWII they were a world power. When they hear Conservatives talk it reminds them that they used to be “Great Britain”, now they’re just an EU client state. It’s no surprise that they lust for a world where the US is as hapless as they because it’s always easier to destroy than to build. Look for Obama to begin his run for Parliament in 2013…
Sorry to have to put it this way—given that the preponderance of my ancestry is British, but who gives a d**n what they think! They tolerate Jihadists spouting mayhem and genocide on their street corners for goodness sakes. This is not tolerance—it’s a form of willfulness ignorance that borders on insanity. I watch portions of BBC America’s alternate reality program for a time each weekday morning—until I can’t stand it any longer—just so I can say: Thank God I live in the US of A.
The whole of Europe is in the tank for Obama. They’re desperate for him to be re-elected. Shame it’s not going to happen. I had a beer in London two weeks ago with a couple of friends who are great guys otherwise, but leftists. They expressed utter hatred for Romney. Not just dislike, but PURE hatred. But considering they both subscribe to The Guardian, no surprise. They genuinely think Romney is going to start exterminating black people to rid the US of them. Incredible.
Someone ought to email those blokes that they lost at Yorktown.
Mike, For the first several paragraphs of your article, I think you’re simply describing a British national character trait: snottiness. You can call it snobbery or anti-whatever if you like, but when Brits run up against things they don’t want to deal with or don’t understand they retreat to snottiness – which is almost constant these days. This may be a post WWII innovation, you’d know better than I. Brits have chosen decline and have chosen to be snotty about it. Go figure.
It’s snobbish when you have the pedigree or credentials. It’s snotty when you don’t.
France was like this, too, when I was young. They were once a great power, but no more, so they act like they are still superior in some way, but they are merely desperately, bitterly clinging to their laurels. Bunch of bitter-clingers.
Germans were rather like this, too, when I was stationed there. I sometimes had to gently remind them, “You lost, jackasses. We kicked your butts. And any time you want a rematch, just let us know.” (I have always been very tactful.)
Sounds like Egypt, still thinking they won the Yom Kippur war.
The UK betting shops are pretty clear eyed – they have to be, or they’ll lose a bundle.
Last I checked, Ladbroke’s had Obama at 1 to 4, Romney at 3 to 1.
Just sayin…
For those of us who are not betting people, what do the numbers tell us?
For every person who thinks Obama will win there are four who don’t?
For every three people who thinks Romney will win there is one who doesn’t?
Serious questions. Thanks in advance for your reply.
The odds state the Ladbrokes believes Obama will win.
You need to bet £4 on Obama to win £1, while betting £1 on Romney would win you £3.
They seem surprisingly convinced of an Obama victory.
Hmmm.
I need to get in on this action, chance to make some easy money..:)
Except that it is illegal for US citizens to participate (against us law, not uk law). Otherwise, I would have made a substantial bet myself after the first debate.
You don’t have to go all the way to Europe to find a bunch of Obama cheerleaders, Canada’s full of them. The same stupid class that elected our own Obama,Trudeau, and more than likely down the road the son of Trudeau, junior bozo.
They (the Canucks) are at least trying to be grownups. They’ve changed course and are trying to repair the damage they’ve done to themselves.
They are running up against the same problem we have – about three generations of brainwashed drones who matriculated through the state run indoctrination centers. That’s a lot BS to wade through.
I am a bit surprised to see Toby Harnden praised in this context. I used to have a high opinion of him; he wrote genuinely important accounts of the Northern Irish conflict, in particular. I think his stint in the US for the Telegraph, however, was a car-crash. As far as his subject matter was concerned, he never strayed outside the beltway, although he claimed, when I challenged him on his Telegraph blog, to have visited every state. I pointed out at the time that he had penned not so much as a subatomic particle regarding Solyndra, or “Fast and Furious”. Miraculously, just before he jumped ship for the higher-paying Daily Mail, he finally got around to mentioning both of those, in a single log.
As far as the rest of British coverage of US affairs (not just the election) is concerned, I do agree with Mike McNally’s observations. The BBC hates the fact that Ronald Reagan won the Cold War. It seems a bit weird that a great man can be denigrated for preventing a thermonuclear war, but lefties don’t exactly do logic. Jimmy Carter, on the other hand, is still taken seriously in BBC-World, his opinions constantly in demand.
Forty years from now, I don’t doubt that the beebyanka will be begging President-for-Life Bara(c)k H O’bama for his opinions on matters American, or even matters global.
A very good analysis, Mr. McNally. Judging by what I experienced as an American who spent some time in Britain, you seem to be right that “there are plenty of Britons who love America,” despite the opposing bigotries of so many in the UK chattering classes. One little representative anecdote: when I was in Salisbury in 2003, during the height of Bush-hatred around the world, I encountered an Englishman on the street who was handing out info to me on Britain’s Automobile Association. After I said, “Sorry, I’m an American,” he jovially said, “Mate, you have nothing to be sorry about!” I had many similar experiences with Britons who had no occasion to try to get my money, yet they were very friendly knowing that I was American. I also encountered some anti-Americanism, but it was mostly in more “cosmopolitan” areas.
Its sad to see what has happened with British culture and politics over the last several decades. I think a lot of Americans don’t realize how far down the sewer much of British popular culture has gone, as it has here in the USA too. The hysteria in much of Britain over the death of Diana should have been a wake-up-call. I hope the more traditionally-minded Britons can start to turn things around.
Unlike some others on this site, I love many of the older BBC programs. I think the 1970′s Lord Peter Wimsey programs are some of the best TV shows ever made, despite the low budgets. “Survivors,” in the 1980′s, was a very imaginative post-apocalyptic program which is miles ahead of flashier American programs in that genre. And the 1980′s “Brideshead Revisited” is without equal. While I try not to romanticize too much, I guess that I am an old-fashioned Anglophile, who loves much of traditional British culture: the stiff-upper-lip, the “green and pleasant land,” Magna Carta, Shakespeare, Dorothy Sayers, James Herriot, etc. We Americans owe an awful lot to our British heritage, although I’m glad we broke away in 1776!
I used to regularly go to British news sites such as the Telegraph, because the reporting was often very substantial and wide-ranging, and the book reviews and obituaries were fascinating, but as was said, even the conservative-leaning Telegraph has gone way off the deep end in favor of Obama. It seems that 99% of the British media’s hearts go a-flutter whenever they see Michelle Obama’s latest outfit, or hear Hillary’s latest pablum. Even Daniel Hannan, who is cited in this article, supported Obama in ’08 I believe. I hope that he has mended his ways in that regard. Toby Harnden used to do an excellent job of trying to be objective in reporting on American politics, but since he left the Telegraph, many of the Telegaph pundits have been just as Mr. McNally described–completely under the spell of the Democrats and the mainstream USA media, and oblivious to the good ideas of American conservatives. As already stated, there are exceptions, such as James Delingpole.
Thanks for your perspective, Mr. McNally. I always find it rewarding.
Like Egil, I’m a total Anglophile. I just LOVE the old British character and culture. But those people are long gone, I’m sad to say. The left have totally destroyed the country and the conservatives….aren’t! They’ve given away their sovereignty and are “forced” to keep terrorists and other foreign miscreants because the human rights courts in the EU have decided the most extraordinary things (like being a welfare fraud illegal subject to deportation) are violations of human rights.
That being said, I am SICK.TO.DEATH!! Of the stooooopid stories in the Daily Mail that call us all sorts of racists because we disagree with Teh Won! They never report that 95% of blacks voted for obummer simply BECAUSE he is HALF black, but today I read a story that states, unequivicably, that if whites DON’T re-elect dear leader that it’s because of white racism. pfffftttt!
You’re right, lolly. A lot of the grandees of the so-called Conservative Party dislike real British conservatives, similar to how establishment Republicans over here dislike Tea Partiers, evangelicals and other self-reliant types. The PM David Cameron has been heavily pushing gay marriage, for crying out loud, and a lot of the Conservative leadership doesn’t want the UK to have a referendum about whether to stay in the EU. They know that a large number of the British public want out.
And like you, I used to often look at the Daily Mail, especially since they used to have articles on some topics not well covered by American media, but lately they have been so enamored of the Obamas, other black racists and gay rights extremists that I got fed up with the DM too.
Voting for a Third Party Candidate Is NOT a Wasted Vote By Washington’s Blog Global Research, November 02, 2012
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I don’t give a d*mn what Brit’s think, nor do I give a d*mn what all of Europe thinks. I guess their main concern is that of “misery loves company” and if Mitt Romney is elected, we stand a much better chance to get on the road to REAL recovery and leave their sorry a**es in the dust. Looks like they never understood what Margaret Thatcher meant when she said, “To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches”.
Nothing against the Brits. Hey, I have British friends! There are just as many brain dead Americans in the States, if not more. But if you look what is written & broadcast about America, especially from he BBC, you’d get the idea that we are almost as evil as most of the world thinks the Jews are! (And THAT is yet another topic-why Euros hate the Jews so much…) I have a BBC series on DVD about the famous Cambridge spies-Philby, etc. The anti-Americanism is rampant in it. Just compare that to the BBC series of Smiley’s People Completely different!Frankly, I know of no such comparison in the US press & Hollywood that is so anti-British. Times have changed. If it were not for the English speaking people of the world,though I would have no hope!
Speaking as a Brit with many American friends, I find it astonishing that there seems this difficulty to understand the point Mike McNally is trying to make: both our countries are being ‘represented’ by the old, corrupt media, which literally act like a gallery of mirrors.
In the same way as America is not represented by what is written in the NYT, or by what correspondents report from inside the Beltway, so is the UK not represented by what the British media report. They live in the Beltway equivalent, Westminster Village, or the Westminster Bubble. What they report – and I’m sure you’ll appreciate this – is not the reality.
Then there are the quite obvious differences in which both our countries are governed, the quite different political systems.
Many here speak as if ‘The Brits’ are fine with being overrun by muslims, and don’t mind living next to muslim ghettos or having their children threatened by them.
This is emphatically not the case! But after 13 years of socialism it takes time to stem the tide. How, do you think, your country would look like after 13 years of Obama and socialist policies in all your states? Don’t you think there would be many more Dearborns?
Btw – how come Obama got elected in the first place? I remember very well that my warnings of his obvious socialist agenda was pooh-pooh’d, and my warnings that he’d take your country down the road like Tony Blair as well. After all, four years ago that socialist was still a Hero to many Americans.
So while you have the chance of turning things around, allow us to do our work, at the grassroots, to turn things around as well. Dismantling 13 years of socialism, with the even more socialist EU breathing down our necks, is no easy task – and we’ve only had three years.
And you might also ponder how come, if Britain is so lost, that our Armed forces are the only ones who have been fighting at your side since 2001 – and have shed quite a lot of blood as well.
I’ve used the term “Dutch Tulip Frenzy” for Obama’s election in 2008. The laundry list of reasons why he got elected could be summed up like this-
*The Republican candidate had all the warmth and emotion of Big Ben’s machinery. I would have rather had a Palin/McCain ticket than the reverse.
*The “mainstream” media had been pounding, pounding, pounding, pounding, and pounding away at McCain being “Bush Lite” and Bush was already somebody they hated, despised, and wanted to see Go Away.
*Obama seemed to be The Right Candidate if you didn’t look too deeply or were blinded by ideological blinders. He was black, attractive, spoke well (when working with a teleprompter), seemed to be saying All The Right Things, etc, etc…
*The economy going bad near the end of 2008 didn’t help, either. To many Democrats, Republicans are Evil Pluocrats because they made their money by (gasp!) working and making it, rather than sucking it off of the Government or inheriting it with proper guilt.
I’ve told people since 2008-Obama is a bittersweet chocolate Easter Bunny in a three piece suite. Once you bite his head off, he’s hollow-nothing there, nothing of substance. NOTHING he has done has changed my opinion of him in this regards.
Quite frankly, we hope you’ll toss the EU before it drags you down with it. Will cheerfully buy your soldiers and sailors and spies a round when I get the chance.
Bless you heart, Grace. We really DO want you to save yourselves. We LOVE you guys! Yours is the Mother Country, after all.
My family has been here for 400 years and my heritage is English. When we talk of you being lost we are speaking culturally. I’m not necessarily pointing fingers either as I know the left has coarsened the culture in EVERY western country in the last 100 years.
I AM curious as to why you don’t revolt regarding your will being ignored. I’ve certainly posed the question in the DM (that never seems to get posted) about how the EU can impose their will on you? After all, YOU are the only country that has a military (and YES! We are ever so grateful for your support!). Why can’t you ignore their silly edicts? How can they coerce you? If anything, I’d think you can (as a still prosperous country) hurt them far more than they could even think of hurting you…..?
The MainStream Media (MSM) has long influenced the opinions of people everywhere, but does the Internet have no impact in Great Britain these days? I would hope that British bloggers carry at least some of the truth on their web pages, or are they subject to a fine under an Anti Social Behavior Order for what they write?
I’ve been cheering for the English Defence League ever since I heard of it, and there are other organizations in Britain and Europe who oppose the de facto Muslim takeover that’s happening now. We don’t have any “no go” areas in the US where police are afraid to enter due to warlike Muslims, but your country’s example demonstrates to us why we should avoid that problem. I’m sorry it’s so difficult for you guys to oppose radical Islam in public.
The main reason Obama was elected was that even Republicans were getting tired of George Bush, who was spending our money like a drunken sailor and refused to do anything about illegal immigration. The Republican candidate for President, John McCain, was well known as a Republican In Name Only (RINO), and there was very little enthusiasm for him anywhere. The prevailing sentiment was that the Republican Party machine had chosen McCain over the more attractive candidates, and Republican voters had little chance of having their voices heard. Sarah Palin as his Vice Presidential running mate generated quite a lot of enthusiasm, but the VP has little chance of participating in government decisions other than being the tie-breaker vote in the Senate. So many Republicans just stayed home, seeing not much difference between the parties, and Obama strolled into the White House. A few Republicans early on were sorry to see Mitt Romney confirmed as the Republican candidate, because they thought he was a RINO as well, but I believe their are warming up to him nicely.
Britain and the US are great friends and allies, no matter what Barack Obama might say or do, and President Romney will renew that friendship and perhaps ask for the bust of Winston Churchill to be returned to us. But other countries also fight at our side, the best example being Poland. Bulgaricus said that “no one in Europe is our friend,” but that is just not true.
Judging solely on what BBC Worldwide broadcasts, one could assume that Britain is out most vocal and implacable enemy.
Of the few people from the UK I have known few have any respect or understanding of what the first and second amendments of the American Constitution mean to us. They seem to always be wanting to jail people for saying something unacceptable. And strangely. all of them seem to want to ban fireworks. Don’t know what the antipathy to firecrackers is.
Is my sample set not representative? Americans tend to want to like Britons, and the similar language may make us think our two peoples more alike than we really are.
never mind. I just realized I could substitute ‘OK’ and ‘Northern California’ – except I know way more Northern Californians.
Good points, Grace. What do you think of UKIP and its chances? Do you think reversing the tide of socialism will need to be done through the Conservative Party somehow, or a whole other movement? From the little I know, it seems like there are still good people in the Conservative Party, as there are good people in our Republican Party, but that they are often stymied by the Westminster types. And there are groups in the UK like the English Defence League whose hearts seem to be in the right place, but who are constantly demonized by the media.
You are right that Americans need to avoid complacency. The fact that Obama was elected shows a shocking degree of either ignorance or far-left sympathies amongst American voters.
No – read that as apathy. We are a nation of about 340 million people – say about 40 million of those are illegal, leaving about 300 million legal Americans. Now half it to disallow those who are not of age to vote. Of 150 million people, only about 56% voted in the last election. So, about 75 million people voted. Of that 75 million, 52% (say, about 38 million people) voted for Obama.ves about 27 million who voted for the old fart.
Had 25 million people chosen to hold their nose and vote for the old grump instead of staying home we would not be in this mess.
Yes, apathy has been a factor. I know good, conservative, small-town Americans who hate politics and never go to websites like this. Until recently they haven’t paid a lot of attention to what has been in the news, but hopefully this “Sleeping Giant” is awakening. Judging by the Tea Party and the recent success of Romney, I think its happening. I keep praying that it does.
This is just another anecdote, but for whatever its worth: I work for a county government in Ohio, in a county that has tended to vote Republican. Especially since Romney did well in the first debate, there have been amazingly long lines of people waiting to do early voting at our Board of Elections. These lines are unprecedented. And I know I’m going by appearances here, but the vast majority of people waiting in line don’t look like latte-sipping metrosexuals or union thugs who vote for Obama. So, its another little sign to make me optimistic.
Thanks for that, Egil! I’ve been worried about Ohio. This year we Virginians are considered a swing state and boy-howdy have they (mostly obummer) EVER inundated us with the campaign ads. *shudder*
A lot of the media here in Ohio is like the national media–doing what it can to support Obama and the other Democrats. The unions are still powerful here too, and a ridiculous number of Ohioans still believe that the Democrats will bring back 1940′s-style booming industry, or at least otherwise give them handouts.
But, there are also a lot of Ohioans in the small towns, rural areas and even bigger cities who see through these illusions. And Governor Kasich has demonstrated that some things can be turned around in the right direction, although he over-reached in some ways and has lost some political battles.
Good luck in Virginia, lolly. Hopefully the near-DC liberals will be drowned out by opposing voters in the rest of the state.
Europe will cling to their welfare state like I cling to my God and my Guns.
Excellent article. I’d only add some irony about how many British or European social standards are tighter than ours, for example, abortion restrictions that US feminists would never except are common, and that we should be very watchful of British media. On the whole it is better than ours and very successful online. The Guardian is number 2 online I think, largely because of its US readers. In the past year I’ve noticed the Daily Mail has a growing number of US focused articles, not because Brits want to read that but because DM has so many US readers. Women in my demographic, Gen X housewives, love the DM once they find it. It is a great mix of real news and fluff. It’s popularity will grow.
“Excellent article. I’d only add some irony about how many British or European social standards are tighter than ours, for example, abortion restrictions that US feminists would never except are common,” Interesting. One of the bills the Republicans had written up was to restict abortion in DC (federal city, so DC only, they have no jurisdiction to do it in the states) to 20 weeks. The left went bananas over it. I then found out (someone correct me if wrong) that the limit for elective abortions (with some exceptions) in the UK was 24 weeks, and that 2 amendmnst to limit it to 20 and 22 weeks were defeated only by a 3-2 margin. So what the Republicans proposed for DC only, and were called extreme for, was pretty close to the established law in the UK.
There is a difference between what the British media writes and what the British people believe.
If the media is so crap why are posters basing their opinion on it?
There is more anti British rhetoric here then i have heard/read in the U.K
If we all love Obama so much,an American and leader of the U.S then that means we are all anti-American?
So that has to be defined and the equivalent anti British attitude.
Obama has been criticized from the beginning over BP,the Falklands,the Lockerbie bomber…..
We all hated/hate Tony Blair but the U.S loved him so what’s the difference?
America politically and financially supported the I.R.A.
Peter King even recently said that was ok because they didn’t blow up Americans and everyone was fine with that.
There are genuine reasons that the U.K would question the so called ‘special relationship’.
Romney also said in his book,
“England [sic] is just a small island. Its roads and houses are small. With few exceptions, it doesn’t make things that people in the rest of the world want to buy. And if it hadn’t been separated from the continent by water, it almost certainly would have been lost to Hitler’s ambitions’
There is a loud “Irish-American” community in the USA which has spouted hatred of Britain, and which supported the IRA. There are also a lot of Americans like me who think the IRA were evil, and who would never send a penny in support of them or any similar group.
Funnily enough, a lot of “Irish-Americans” who brag about being “Celtic” and who put down the English are very ignorant. Some of us on this side of the pond realize, though, that the people in Ireland became a blended race over the centuries, with a lot of English and Scandinavian blood mixed in. And the Celts were relatively late-comers in Ireland, with a lot of inhabitants already there when they arrived.
I have English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh blood, and am proud of all of that heritage. The English are often made the villain in today’s Hollywood, but there are still a lot of Americans who appreciate England and the larger UK.
And I also have to say, other than Romney calling the island of Britain “England,” what did he really say that is wrong? Britain is certainly not the manufacturing powerhouse that it once was, and while the RAF, British Army and Royal Navy deserve our thanks, Britain would likely not have been able to defeat Germany. Anyway, I’m sure that in the UK you’ll find Romney a much better friend than Obama has been.
You left out the rest of the quote from Romney’s book, where he went on to explain how and why, in spite of those limitations, it ruled much of the world. The quote is not critical of the UK, it is complimentary. If you don’t leave out the rest of it, that is……
The Battle of Britain happened before Germany declared war on the U.S so the U.K did fight the Nazi’s before the U.S ‘saved’ us all.
The point i was trying to make is that Americans have a habit of wanting us to be eternally grateful for something that happened over sixty years ago while ignoring the IRA funding,the support given following 9/11,Afghanistan and Iraq.
I have said Obama isn’t always portrayed positively here by the British people.
There are good reason’s for ‘anti Americanism’ though.
The U.S is like a spoilt child,when being rightly criticized says,they only hate me because i’m beautiful,not that they have drugged drunk and smashed the car.
What I meant, Emma, about World War II is that Britain could probably not have ultimately beaten Germany. The British won the Battle of Britain, but they probably could not have won the war. Like it or not, the Soviet Union did most of the fighting and dying against Germany, from June 22, 1941. The British and Americans did great things, but they have to give the Soviets their due. And the British Empire was shattered economically and otherwise by the war. I think some commenters are right that British morale has never recovered.
Look (as Krauthammer would say), a lot of us on this site recognize that there are some British and Americans who appreciate each other, and there are some who don’t. I think that the biggest problem we face is that both countries are plagued by corrupt, destructive ruling classes. Until that problem is corrected, we’re all headed down the toilet.
I do not believe the US government ever supported the IRA in any way. At most – and this is a great deal, I admit – they turned a blind eye to the front organizations. We supported you in the Falklands. Without people like my grandfather fighting in France, Germany would have won WWI, which I admit might have been a good thing in retrospect.
If I am to accept your argument, we in Israel should really hate you for the way you turned a blind eye to Arab massacres of Jewish civilians in the 1920′s, or the way your troops randomly murdered Jewish civilians in Jerusalem in reprisal for an act by a breakaway orgranization, or the way you set things up so that we would be wiped out in 1948, man, woman, and child – but to your disappoinment, only one out of every 10 Jews were murdered.
But we don’t hate you for that. We hate you for your policies towards us right now.
‘But we don’t hate you for that. We hate you for your policies towards us right now.’
Who are you representing? What British policies to the U.S are we hated for?
Afghanistan? Iraq?
@Emma – you are a real piece of work. What have Afghanistand and Iraq to do with “Bristish policies towards the US”? Blair got you into those – not us. It may have been on our behalf, but you ARE atill a sovereign country. We didn’t force you.
Try a little self examination. We do and aren’t blind to our faults. You? You are one of those blame everybody but yourself kind of people.
Gee, everyone I know hated both Blair and the IRA. Kennedy might have supported them – but we hated him too.
You allowed Blair to broker (surrender) a peace with the IRA. I don’t even need to know the details to know that Blair sold you out to a bunch of terrorists.
lolly,i was replying to mzk1 who seemed to be talking about Israel,so please read before you attack.
Re; the IRA,we don’t care which party done the most,the other party allowed it too.We are talking over 30yrs.
The U.S allowed fund raising-NORAID-knowing it was going to guns and bombs.With Libya was the main importer of same weapons.
Gave visas to known I.R.A members,and had a policy of giving political status to escaped convicted terrorists ,i will be here all day.
Tony Blair said we were ‘shoulder to shoulder’on 9/11 and people qued for miles to sign remembrance books,one of the first questions to him was,do you think they will view I.R.A terrorism differently now?
However, Peter King, a prominent Republican still supports these terrorists and you all think that is ok.
Your obviously not familiar with the Good Friday Agreement but don’t let that stop you making a comment.
If everybody ‘you know’ hates Blair then you must know a lot of British,we are trying to get him arrested.
However in the U.S Bush gave him the Medal of Freedom.
The point has been that in the U.K people have a reason to be ‘anti american’ not just because we are jealous because you are so ‘awesome’.
Come on Mike, we both live in a country where Conservatives are ‘conservative’ in name only and anyone who dissents from the party line of ‘Liberal Conservatism’ (as per David Cameron) is derided by the press as being a ‘right wing extremist’ like David Davis (who had the nerve to say cutting taxes and government spending would take a knife to the throat of the recession).
I’m not sure your “Conservatives” are anything like our conservatives (who are somewhat Classical Liberals). I heard a discussion including a couple, such as the atheist’s brother, and all I could think was, “thank Heaven for the American Revolution”. The world they wanted was not one I would want to live in.
As an Israeli, of course, to me the most important understanding is that both sides are against us. Frankly, I don’t think the Foreign Office even forgave us for depriving them of the mandate.
So what you are saying is England is California with more rain.
The Argentine newspapers are quoting Krugman, WaPo, and the NYT in affirming Obama has the victory bagged. International disinformation still strong. Pravda/Izvestia are still rolling off the presses.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1523495-el-empate-entre-obama-y-romney-es-persistente-pero-no-muchos-creen-en-el
Bring back the good old days of England when they ruled with power, but also with freedom, making the uncivilized world civil.