British Media Ramp Up the Jew-Baiting
On December 4 I wrote an editorial for Pajamas Media about the scurrilous Channel Four television documentary presented by British conservative commentator Peter Oborne exposing the “power” of the Anglo-Jewish lobby.
Now I would like to turn to some items following on that story.
No sooner had the program aired than the Jew-avoidance champion Richard Ingrams wrote in his Independent column that it was about time somebody stood up to the Zionists. Then on November 28 he hit the jackpot with a real doozy: he accused former Bush advisers Doug Feith, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz (he who liveth with a Libyan lady) of being ardent Zionists who are “more concerned with preserving the security of Israel than that of the U.S.” Let’s stop and look at that for a moment: he is saying that the triumvirate of Jewish neocons was subverting the security of the United States. Isn’t that an offense punishable by life behind bars? Would Mr. Ingrams like to let us know exactly how Messrs. Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle were ignoring the security of the American people in favor of the Israelis?
Now, why did I refer to Richard Ingrams as a “Jew-avoidance champion” a moment ago? Well, in the 2007 documentary Kike Like Me, director Jamie Kastner notes that Ingrams felt ill-disposed towards opening letters addressed to him at the Observer if the name on the envelope looked Jewish. And before bloggers accuse me of being obsessed with anti-Semitism, please note that in the Jewish Chronicle of November 25, Jonathan Hoffman of the Zionist Federation UK, with whom I appeared on the terrifying hate-Israel fest on Press TV in London on June 12, describes Ingrams as “vile.”
This brings me to the second Jew-hatred event of the month, which Ingrams thinks is long overdue. In the Independent of November 22, Sir Oliver Miles, the former British ambassador to Libya (Melanie Phillips refers to his ilk as the camel corps), makes the staggering assertion that two Jews with obvious pro-Israeli leanings, Sir Martin Gilbert and Sir Lawrence Freedman, should not have been selected to serve on the Iraq inquiry panel. He says, “Both Gilbert and Freedman are Jewish, and Gilbert at least has a record of active support for Zionism. Such facts are not usually mentioned in the mainstream British and American media.” Well, Sir Oliver, inasmuch as these two men are prolific and quite brilliant historians of international repute, one doubts the media are fixating on their Jewishness but rather on the excellence of their acclaimed work.
Miles actually goes on to say that Jewish newspapers and non-U.S., non-UK media do talk about Gilbert’s Zionism at length; knowing their work as I do, the last thing I think of when reviewing Gilbert or Freedman is Zionism. What is deeply disturbing about the Miles accusation is that he suggests Freedman and Gilbert will have some kind of Jewishly unique pro-Blair, pro-Bush, pro-Zionist “handy ammunition” when needed and that this will result in the panel being “unbalanced.” So, this means that in the future, jobs in British government inquiries should have the health warning “Jews need not apply.”
These are the children of the same bunch which followed Mosley and Co just prior to WWII. Antisemitism has a deep following in the UK. It has been around since Jews first came to England in the 1100s. Very few of those who hate Jews can tell you anything at all about what the Jewish religion believes and/or teaches.
I ran into one of these guys in another country in Europe last week. After listening to him bash Israel and the Jews, I asked him if he were a Christian. He said yes, Episcopalian. I asked if he believed in the Bible, Old and New Testaments, and accepted them as true. He said, “Mostly.” I asked him if he knew the Old Testament, in which he believed, was written by Jews about 3000 year ago. He called me about a dozen expletives ending with “LIAR!!” So, I said, alright. Do you know that the first five books of the Old Testament are the Jewish Torah? Or that the rest of the Old Testament is the Tanakh, or Jewish Bible? Same tirade ensued. Just another example of the simple premise that “When my mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with the facts!”
When the jihad chickens come home to roost in merry olde England, I for one do not give a flying f***.
I was there at Shaftesbury Avenue and found nothing heartening about the hatred that was shouted at us.
Good article otherwise, though. Ingrams is vile and his life story reflects that.
It should be noted that the brave Jonathan Sacerdoti took the Sullivan footage and verbally sparred with the hater at the same time. Brave Jonathan Hoffman took awful flak from a stream of screamers, also with dignity.
Hoffman was a lone voice at a recent event at the hotbed of Israel-hatred, SOAS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27t9MP5uuF0&feature=player_embedded
Terrific. I have to go live there for 2 years or so. An American Jew and ardent Zionist. Should be interesting. (For the first moron who verbally attacks me). He’ll be happy he has the NHS.
Larry70, we both know when the jihad comes home to roost (again) in England; the people mentioned in the article will, of course, blame it on the Jews.
google(England Expulsion Jews).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
Dr. Matt
The UK will reap what it’s sewn by embracing jihadi’s and ridiculing democracies.
Israel had best not return any part of the West Bank to anyone. It will need that land for the few million British citizens who decide that living among the Jews is safer than among their Islamic countrymen. However, Israel will not be able to accommodate the gentile French who might want to emigrate, since they will have a hard time leaving their antisemitism at the garden gate. Perhaps an artificial island off the coast of Israel will be able to hold the free-living Dutch and Belgians who need refuge. Frankly, Israel will not be able to handle the entire problem on its own. Other countries will have to kick in and accept Western European refugees as well.
Anti-semitism is a problem that we should all be concerned with. It is frightening because it is spreading, helped along by those in the media and the far-left groups which object to Israel’s right to defend itself. I am sure that many of these people would be quite happy if Israel just vanished! It is a little amusing though, to think that many of the folks who deplore the existence of Israel, seem to think the Arabs are their friends. As for Israel and her true friends, they are the Evangelical Christians. True friends of Israel.
Jerry, what is your problem ?
who spoke of the gentile French here ?
why do you need to repeat a perverse anti-French propaganda ?
Who is paying you ?
Now, again and again, in Europe we have the lowest ratio in the polls for antisemitism, with the Brits, but, considering that we have a larger Muslim population than the Brits, then we are at the top of the less antisemit states
The hatred I saw being spewed in the short time I stood out in the freezing cold of globally warming England was palpable. Perhaps we should all “f*** off back to Israel.” At least it is sunny and hot right now.
Those were the most intelligent lines in this entire article, Ms. Gould. Come home and stop giving the stupid Brits an excuse to kill you on the spot. We need you here, and the Brits obviously do not deserve your presence or that of your family.
Ms. Gould – interesting article. What I find most interesting about Europe in general, and the UK in particular, is that Jews who generally are loyal to land in which they live are accused of disloylaty. That despite the dictum the great third century Babylonian Talmudic rabbi, Samuel, who declared that the “Law of the land is the Law.” (Deenah d’malkhuta, deenah.) Thus, Jews were commanded to follow the laws of the country in which they live, and presumably to be loyal that country. Yet, Moslems who most definitely do not have such a dictum, seem never to be accused of disloyalty. Who is it that keeps blowing up things in the UK? Not Jews, but Moslems. Yet, they are never said to be suspect as a group because of diversity (which obviously does not apply to Jews as a group).
Thanks to Tony Blair and company, the UK is becoming Islamacized (and not slowly). Between the low Christian birthrate of the UK and the high Moslem birthrate, it will only be a matter of time until the UK becomes part of Dar es Salam.
Carol Gould writes, “Perhaps we should all f*** off back to Israel. At least it [Israel] is sunny and hot right now.”
Israel lacks the resources or capacity to absorb the millions of Europeans who eventually decide they’ve had enough and decide that “living among the Jews is safer than among their Islamic countrymen.” But I do expect to see a lengthening queue at the embassies of the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand before long.
As to Carol’s “sunny and hot” comment, she should know that the period between the Fall holiday of Sukkot and the Spring holiday of Passover are Israel’s “rain season” – or at least it’s supposed to be. But after five seasons of below average rainfall, water supplies are running dangerously low. So “sunny and hot” is the last thing the country needs. Last year I visited on a volunteer stint and took my umbrella, and hoped/prayed for rain.
Don’t go “back to Israel.” The United States is really a great place to be Jewish. Come here.
I’m sorry. I just keep missing the reasons why European Jews expect behavior and beliefs any different from the ones that keep showing up to our collective astonishment.
Marie Claude: I took the phrase ‘gentile’ France to be a typo for ‘genteel’ French. I might be wrong about that, but I tend to assume typo first since I myself make so many.
EVERY RESPONSE A PLEASURE TO READ ESPECIALLY STEVEOH.
AND THE TRUTH IS THAT THE STINKING EFFETE BRRRITISH WILL HAVE ONLY THEMSELVES TO BLAME WHEN THEY START KNEELING AND PRAYING TO ALLAH. FOR ME, THIS WORLD HAS BECOME A STUPID, ARROGANT, IRRATIONAL, AND CHAOTIC EXISTENCE. THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN HAVING TO DEAL WITH A PRIMITIVE MORON.
If the UK is bound and determined to fall into ruin, going after the Jews is the historically proven way to do that.
Sigh. Seeing the widespread anti-semitism in the UK today, shouldn’t we have let Hitler just take Britian in WWII?
Just joking. Kinda.
Ms. Gould
#14 you are correct. so is England and other parts of the world. and as an Iranian Muslim, Iran a great place to live for Jews as we have the largest number of Jews living there aftr Israel. In fact the Iranina Jews who left for Israel are coming back at a rate of 9% a year. why is this? you hav to separate countires by their people and their government. If Ahmadinejad for example called the Jews a problem in Iran he will have the biggest lash back.. Iranian Jews have the same right there as any other jews. what makes Carol Gould dispecable is hir haterd of any Jew or non jew that critisizes Israel.although I am sure some of what she saying is true, some criticisms come in the form of anti semetism.. but so what? Here I am bloging on a site that hates muslims you included Carol and I am a muslim.. so what now I should go out of my way labeling eveyone who is on the right as a racist… Carol: you can moan and groan all you want and write on this blog where most people hardley have a high school diploma and it is not going to make a difference. as I mentioed I am a muslim and my wife is a catholic. I and the rest of my family stayed up this morning until 4 am when a USMC bus picked my son who joined the Marines three month ago to Paris Island. I already miss him…. BTW for you muslim hating people here what do you think? is he a muslim or a christain? say for example he comes back from Afghanistan as hero is he then a chritian hero? or say he went ape sh.. and shot a few solders to death is then a muslim terrorist who sympathizes with Al Qeda?
s. Gould do you see now how pathetic you are! But here is some help for you which I know is the underlying cause of your hatred and frustration. go to this site and do some shoping and take a few items home and you will have a different view of life.
http://www.babeland.com.
Carol: I should have siad my Exwife…. now remmeber you and I had a brief exchange and I mentioned to you that I have dating a Jewish woman for some times now.. just a reminder that you don’t go around calling me anti semit, anti jews etc….
Re Marie Claude #10: I would love to believe that Jews are safe and tolerated in France, but it is hard based upon the news stories emanating from there.
“The French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala has announced that he secured funding from Iran for films meant to “combat Zionism” in France. Dieudonné and the head of France’s Anti-Zionist Party, which Dieudonné helped to found earlier this year, said the support was obtained during a recent meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran and that it would be used to finance film projects aimed at “combating Zionism head-on” in France.” Dec 1 JTA source
No other country in Europe has an official anti-Zionist party supported by a foreign government or not.
Wishing good things from France, but doubtful. Post positive events between Jews and the French, please
Re Naftali #15: Of course I meant ‘genteel’ and not ‘gentile’. There are no more ‘gentiles’ and everyone who is not Jewish is without a doubt genteel.
Gee, I wasn’t aware that there IS a “Jewish Question.’
I mean, I always knew there was a Question, but I thought it was a Goyish Question.
The sherry sippers with the bad teeth are going down the toilet faster than s–t through a goose.
Jerry, do you think that ~1,5% of his fan coming from the surburbs (last official european elections) make decreasing the global stats ?
Nothing new there, and it’s a bit bizarre that some persons carry on pointing France for that, aren’t there any others agressions (verbal or not) on Jews elswhere ?
I read that in skandinave countries they aren’t protected anymore, which isn’t the case by us.
Also examine what some german parties are aiming to ?
Not talking of Hungary, Poland…
So relativise your demonisation, France isn’t the worst, unless numbers aren’t your cup of tea
ol right, we are your favorite scapegoats for what is evil in this world
But it ‘s also racism against us, isn’t it ?
and I can tell you then that antifrenchism is well displayed by some persons that have an open pass to the medias
Mr.#19, you have disgraced yourself.
“Steveoh:
Terrific. I have to go live there for 2 years or so. An American Jew and ardent Zionist. Should be interesting. (For the first moron who verbally attacks me). He’ll be happy he has the NHS.”
I lived there for three years, was there for Bush’s reelection, that was sweet, and the tube bombings. Interesting times. Like you, I am an ardent Zionist.
I kept my head down at times but mostly worked in the Jewish community in small towns and in London. British Jews can be tough and, in some ways, are more Zionist than American Jews. They have to be, as do Jews in most diaspora communities.
Keep your eyes open, your in for a ride.
#19: How?
Another day, another article filled with hysterical anti-British hate.
British elites and their muslim usurpers bounding for their mutual hate of those evil joooooos. Would jews be allowed to protest like moslems do when they carry those signs calling for the death of those who see mohamed as nothing more then a child molesting, illiterate, war monger?
Thousand-year-old habits like antisemitism are hard to unlearn, I guess. Habits like that are one reason we fought the Revolution over here.
I have a strong affinity for my ancestral homelands in Europe, but I’m praying for a new Vlad the Impaler to rise and save it.
Thanks Barb. I’ve already been looking into Jewish organizations to find like minded people in Sussex, where we will be living. To Coisty, I think you might have the world upside down. I am married to a British woman, went to University as an exchange student at Oxford and harbor no prejudices against our ally, England. This article reports on the hatred of some Brits against Jews, just for being Jewish. The oldest hatred has again reared it’s head and can’t be be ignored. Honestly perhaps you need some time to reflect on why. The oldest and most dangerous canards, expected from the left nowadays coming from mainstream Brits? This program and the debate it’s created sure smell of good old fashioned European Jew hatred. No?
1. Spinoneone:
Even better: Jesus was (is) Jewish and a Rabbi. Tell your tard friend that one and watch him explode.
If you ask Jesus his relgion, you think he is gonna say I am a mestian!?
I find the anti-British sentiment expressed in this article as offensive as any other. Just for the record, most Americans are not hoping that the British or the French fall to Muslim terror. Quite the opposite.
In my experience it has been liberals and American secular Jews who freely spew anti-Semitism as politically acceptable dinner conversation. They are also the same people that hate Evangelical Christians. Funny how that works – no?
oops..didn’t mean to imply the original article expressed those sentiments – I was referring to the comments.
What the heck is it that wherever the Jews are, there is anti-Jewish sentiment? What makes an Easter European peasant have the same attitude towards the Jews as some English elites?
mr: your comments and questions are complete non-sequitars. If your son (God bless him for his service) is a hero in service to his country, his religion is irrelevant. If, however, he goes “ape sh..” as you so elegantly put it (ala Hassan) then yes, he would be a Muslim terrorist, at least if he did it the way Hassan did (shouting “Alahu Akbar” while murdering soldiers, and this after putting on display his jihadist sympathies.)
You should have filmed those people shouting at you through a secret, small camera attached to your clothing, then put the film up on Youtube.
The rise of anti semitism in Europe is a sign of that culture’s rotten core. Remember, although Churchill led his generation to a successful war, England jumped right into full fledged socialism as soon as it could when ‘peace’ came.
I know, this is oogah boogah time, but really, I think this anti semitism is G_d’s sign that the world is looking at very hard times for all of humanity (Jew and non-Jew) in the very near future. And I am including North America in that prediction, too.
Well, at least they finally admit that Israel is the Jews’ ancient homeland. That’s progress.
#19 mr
I find it interesting that you quote a reimigration of Iranian Jews at 9%. I don’t know where you get such bullsh*t. It simply isn’t true. Los Angeles would be having a party every year to celebrate that 9% of its Iranian Jews have left. If you have some secret way to encourage this please share it with the rest of us. Frankly, as far as I’m concerned, you can have all the Iranian Jews back. I’ll even help pay for some of them to go back. By the way, this is not antisemetism; its pure disgust with the behavior of these “Jews”. If you ever want to take your life in your hands, go shop at a store full of Iranian Jewish women. They will fight you over anything, and I mean anything. When they can’t fight you, they fight each other. Their children are raised as unprincipled b*stards and gang up on any decent kid in school with them. The men are also known for their dishonesty and nobody wants to do business with them. So, if you have a secret about getting the Iranian Jews to reimigrate back to Iran, please, please, please share it with the rest of us.
Oborne is one of Britain’s most incisive and intelligent journalists. His documentary on the Israeli lobby, much like his previous documentaries on MPs expenses and Iraq, expose the rancid corruption of the political system. He has exposed UK politicians as sell-outs.
Lobbyists, of all political hues, are scum. Politicians who pay more heed to foreign lobbies than their own voters are committing treason. When a British politician allows foreigners to dictate his policy, he has committed treason.
As Oborne pointed out on Newswipe, most MPs are corporatists who have entered politics to enrich themselves by serving wealthy interests (easy jobs such as sitting on the boards of banks are their reward for kissing the asses of the financial sector).
“Special Relationship” my arse, Britain is America’s poodle, a fact which truly patriotic British people find disgusting, but which egotistical corporatist narcissists like Blair and Cameron love because it makes them feel important.
Rachel, I don’t think anyone here wants the Euros to succumb to Islam, but they think it is already happening.
I am English. I do not hate Jews. But I have met many people who hate the English. People from all over the world hate and revile the English. They ascribe all kinds of bizarre attributes to the English. They blame the English for many unfortunate events in their own histories. We are pirates. We are drug runners. We have violated the most holy laws of the just. We have raped and stolen and destroyed. We have taken that which was not ours. We have no souls. We have slaughtered the innocent. We are ugly and blunt and brutish. We are engineers and possess no poetry. We have bled our foul blood into holy soil. We are cockroaches. We should be killed. Some have tried. So far … they have failed. Good luck.
One of the ways to doubly victimise a minority is to deny its very victmisation.
The Muslim world does this daily in its denial of its 14-century-long subjugation of Jews.
France does this daily by its denial of the miserable state of Judaism in France. I testify to this from personal experience. In groups in private and even in the occasional public meeting, 9 out of 10 French Jews see no long-term future for Jews in France.
And Marie can stuff her “polls” in her ear. Pollsters knw resondents answer often differently from their behaviour. For example, consumers will invariably respond “safety” when asked their first criterion for a car – but will buy according to style, colour, etc.
#44 Mark
Don’t be so smug. Most of what you said about the British is true. Remember the sun never set on the British Empire. Where ever that flag was raised, there was a people subject to British exploitation. They made promises, alliances and broke them at a whim. Before WWII broke out, the British sank two ships carrying Jews to their homeland all for the love of the Grand Mufti. During WWII they did nothing to stop the death trains going to Treblinka or the other death camps. Not only that, they continued to block Jews from going to Palestine. The Mufti repaid the British for their loyalty to him by raising a division of Moslems to fight for the Nazis. He also fomented rebellion against the British in places like Iraq. Still the British were loyal to their to their lying cheating Mufti.
You bet it was pure anti-Semitism. England still is the same. They deserve what they have now.
Alientech asked:
“What the heck is it that wherever the Jews are, there is anti-Jewish sentiment? What makes an Easter European peasant have the same attitude towards the Jews as some English elites?”
That’s not too difficult to understand. Both elites and peasants have a strong interest in some part of the old agrarian cultures. Those cultures emphasized keeping people on the land, in hierarchies, with the elites on top, supposedly protecting the peasants. The worldwide networks of industrial society have roused hatred wherever they have threatened the interests of local groups, whether the peasants, in keeping their farms, or the elites in keeping their “leading positions”.
Because they were forbidden to hold land, or work in trades, Jews had to tie together their own participation in those worldwide networks. Per capita, there are a higher percentage of the Jewish people working in these industrial networks than any other similarly sized group of people do, and they thus become visible. When people want to defend their land holdings, or position in society from the effects of the worldwide networks, they find the Jews visible, and the networks far less so.
Since some of their neighbors also benefit from these industrial networks, they do not attack the networks openly, but use the Jews as proxy targets. This allows a small group less able to defend itself to be attacked, and used to gain political leverage over whatever aspect of industrial networks is harming the interest of those reacting against the continuing industrial revolution. Market networks have been one example for centuries, where Jewish participation in banking has allowed those who wish to bend those markets to their will, can use fulminations against the Jews as cover for restricting the operation of financial markets.
This impoverishes a society when it goes so far as to disrupt the financial markets. It also happens in the world-wide intellectual networks of industrial society, where Jewish scientists and scholars are being picked out as targets for boycotts.This sets a precedent for anyone in those those networks communicating “bad ideas”. They could suffer the same fate. Proceeding from that precedent, if these intellectual networks are harmed enough we would see a steep slowdown in the advance of science and technology. Some people seem to want just that, because solving environmental and other problems with a “technical fix” is anathema to those who desire political leverage from a perceived problem, by offering social engineering “solutions” to it.
Oh calm down. The Americans’ views of ‘British anti-semitism’ are vastly overplayed here. It’s a few extremists of a couple of flavours who managed to drag an easily-led and stupid PC left along with them for a while. Political correctness and multiculturalism as doctrines are dying here too so stop worrying or being so smug.
#48
Unless you’re Tzipi Livni. That was interesting. The UK is officially reaching across borders and a sea to indict an official of another nation, Israel, for defending its citizens against constant missile attacks. Sounds neutral to me. I guess the indictment for Ahmadenijad (whatever) for using weapons on Iranian election protesters is coming tomorrow. Wednesday, I’m sure they’ll be indicting Kim of North Korea for his labor camps and enforced mass starvation of his country. Yep, any day now we should see those.
#36 Alientech
Call it providence, but we find ourselves in the psychologically and spiritually roughest neighborhoods in the world. It’s not as though Europe was a kindly, peacable place before we showed up. And the Middle East, a regular Zen monastery for a couple thousand years.
#49 You mean the UK government, which most UK citizens would like to see hung for treason. Antisemitism has been on the rise for years but that doesn’t mean that a majority agrees.
“Very few of those who hate Jews can tell you anything at all about what the Jewish religion believes and/or teaches.”
What’s more, very few of those who hate Jews can tell you why they hate them. They can only tell you that they do and reinforce their expressions of hate with invective.
#45 Oh I guess that you’re one of those french lovers that have some interests to promote emigration of our french Jews to Israel. Too bad lots of our journalists are Jews and don’t buy your paranoia.
http://www.rue89.com/2009/03/06/pseudo-retour-de-l-antisemitisme-un-rituel-au-diner-annuel-du-crif
Encouraging immigration to Israel is part of any Israeli prime minister’s job, but Ariel Sharon’s latest attempt to convince French Jews to make aliyah has angered both French politicians and Jewish community officials in France.
http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/07/21/news/israel/zafrance0720.txt
Ariel Sharon’s belief that the Jews of France belong in Israel and ought to get there as soon as possible lest they fall victim to anti-Semitism gone wild has opened a major diplomatic row between France and Israel
France is home to Western Europe’s largest Jewish community, numbering some 600,000.
As a Jew who actually likes living in the Diaspora and sees no reason for immigrating to Israel, I’m made uncomfortable by comments such as Merridor’s and Sharon’s. My Uncle Adam and his family live in Paris, and have no desire or intention to leave. My cousin Cathy and her children live in Israel, and they, too, have no intention of leaving. I have family in South Africa, the U.S., Canada, Australia, Mexico, Poland and Scotland, all of whom have declined the option of living in Israel. Those who tell Jews like Cathy they don’t belong in Israel are quickly seen as anti-Semitic. But I apply the same label to anyone who tells Uncle Adam that as a Jew he doesn’t belong in France, or says the same thing to any of my relatives elsewhere in the Diaspora. “Go back to Israel” was a message I heard occasionally growing up, both from Zionist emissaries promoting immigration and from rightwing anti-Semites hostile to my anti-apartheid views, which they somehow mistook to be uniquely Jewish. Unlike Sharon, I can’t accept that fighting anti-Semitism in France is futile, because I believe that a Jew’s place is anywhere he or she chooses to live.
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/karon/article/0,9565,671180,00.html#ixzz0Zlfir9Oh
“A force de voir des antisémites partout, on risque de ne plus voir les vrais. Pas plus que les autres formes de racisme qui pèsent sur toutes les autres victimes de discriminations et d’ostracisme, dont les juifs sont loin, hélas, d’avoir le monopole.”
http://www.rue89.com/2009/02/10/des-antisemites-partout-on-se-calme
http://www.rue89.com/2009/03/06/pseudo-retour-de-l-antisemitisme-un-rituel-au-diner-annuel-du-crif
and N° 45, le preux chevalier des BS
get my salute
http://bokedou-an-hanv.blogspot.com/2009/10/escape-in-scumland.html
#41: iwas wondering besides blacks, muslims, British and Iranian Jews who else do you hate?
Here is how I imagine your profile:
25 to 30 years old
Midwesterner
less than high school education
minimum wage earner
probably over weight
sexually frustrated
probably and most likely a closeted gay
am i correct?
#24
Seems to me that your sentiments against the English are not less vile than those described in the article. You make reference to negative stereotypes of the English while you attribute to a whole nation the same attitudes espoused by a misguided few. Sounds kind of like the approach antisemites use in criticizing the jews. I think a bit more civility may be in order here.
#54 mr
I never saw anybody so right about everything like you, its beyond words. Truth be told the only thing I really hate is Islamofacists like you, especially when you cloak yourself with made up bullsh*t. The lies you spew they are so transparent they almost comical. I’d love to do your profile, unfortunately it fits most Islamofacists and pedophiles.
# 56 how about your profile? was I on the money? I am no Islamofaciast but a peace loving person.. as my profile goes, here you are:
I put oscar the grouch on air!! it is true>>
but i came otu of the closet
#57 mr
I note that your call yourself mr with no capitals. That must be significant. Believe what you want, I really don’t give a damn. I’m sure that you think that you scored; but, you’ll never know the truth and I’m sure that will drive you crazy.
Now answer me this question. What would make a son hate his father so much that he would join the American army just to be able to go out and kill his father’s people?
CAROL,
‘The hatred I saw being spewed in the short time I stood out in the freezing cold of globally warming England was palpable. Perhaps we should all “f*** off back to Israel.” At least it is sunny and hot right now.’
Haven’t you said on another anti-british ranting,that you can’t go anywhere,because you have lost money and at the same time become ill?
That has meant you have to stay here because you can’t afford treatment in the U.S ?
Are the health care professional’s spewing hatred ?
So you can be scathing of certain aspects of life in the U.K,that is objective commentary,but nobody can talk about zionism.
This is about lobbys and corruption.Any foreign government having a say in our foreign policy issues.
For someone supposed to inform your American readers about what is going on in the U.K, there has been little mention of the Chilcott inquiry.
Quite alot is coming out about the Iraq war.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mary-dejevsky/mary-dejevsky-iraq-exploded-the-special-relationship-1831663.html
Will it be drawing attention to the Israeli dimension in the Anglo-US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a dimension that hitherto has scarcely been mentioned?
Yet it is a fact that the campaign to overthrow Saddam Hussein was initiated, well before 9/11, by a group of influential American neocons, notably Perle, Feith and Wolfowitz (once described by Time magazine as “the godfather of the Iraq war”) nearly all of whom were ardent Zionists, in many cases more concerned with preserving the security of Israel than that of the US.
Did we just do the same?
Is what’s in Israel’s best interest the same as our’s?
In December 2004 Sir Martin, while pointing out that the ‘war on terror’ was not a third world war, wrote that Bush and Blair ‘may well, with the passage of time join the ranks of Roosevelt and Churchill’.
Sir Lawrence is the reputed architect of the ‘Blair doctrine’
It’s about their views about Iraq that has been already stated,not impartial at all.
So will Israels role in us going to war be covered?
If and when the inquiry is accused of a whitewash, such handy ammunition will be available.
It’s other countries influence on us as well.
Dispatches did an episode on Russians the following week.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/4od#3013281
Hpwever,
There is a bigger rise in islamaphobia then anti-semitism, even you have recognised that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ABBaMFkkA
#58
Here you are it is in cap.. does not have a significant meaning.. As My so hating me.. well when I got married after 5 years my ex-wife asked me to convert to catholism.. and I did. our boys were baptized and my boy who is in the Marins now was an alter boy… as you may will know the Vatican in order to continue with celibacy encourages the priest to molet 8 year old boys to relieve their sexual frustration and moledted my boy.. he is going there loving me but mainly he hates the catholic church…. as for killing my people: again this shows that you are a simpleton.. I am very much for us being in Afghanistan and I will be proud of him if he took out a few Talibans!!! In fact I told him to do so…. he knows right from wrong….have you ever checked this site out? if not you should and purchase a few items you will be a lot more happier than you are now..www.babeland.com
mags#59: very very articulate but I must tell you the only reason I am on this site is to laugh.. I have never laughed like this before!!! most people on this site are high school drop outs!!!!
#58
Here you are it is in cap.. does not have a significant meaning.. As My so [sic] hating me.. well when I got married after 5 years my ex-wife asked me to convert to catholism[sic].. and I did. our boys were baptized and my boy who is in the Marins[sic] now was an alter[sic] boy… as you may will know the Vatican in order to continue with celibacy encourages the priest to molet[sic] 8 year old boys to relieve their sexual frustration and moledted[sic] my boy.. he is going there loving me but mainly he hates the catholic church…. as for killing my people: again this shows that you are a simpleton.. I am very much for us being in Afghanistan and I will be proud of him if he took out a few Talibans!!! In fact I told him to do so…. he knows right from wrong….have you ever checked this site out? if not you should and purchase a few items you will be a lot more happier than you are now..www.babeland.com
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The Vatican encourages raping 8 year old boys? Can I see this in writing? And why only 8 year old boys?
I was an 8 year old altar boy. Why wasn’t I molested? I was a cute kid. There must be something wrong with me.
#61 Phranc: hope you are well. what do you mena by “SIC”.
and the 8 year boy is just an example..4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/13/14….
I am glad you were not molested.. but I am hoping you are open minded and educated enough to see the crime they are commiting against youn boys…
62. mr:
#61 Phranc: hope you are well. what do you mena[sic] by “SIC”.
and the 8 year [sic] boy is just an example..4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/13/14….
I am glad you were not molested.. but I am hoping you are open minded and educated enough to see the crime they are commiting [sic]against youn[sic] boys…
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For someone who said that the majority of posters here were high school drop outs the irony that you don’t know what [sic] means and all the times it was needed is just precious. I’m quite educated. In fact I educated enough to put the number of priests and molested boys into perspective to the whole of the population.
I’m still waiting for you to prove the Vatican encourages rape of 8 year olds. Or any encourages the rape of any one. Obviously you have this proof or you were just making things up. I’m going with the making things up part since you failed to provide any proof. That puts into question your credibility on everything else you have stated.
Phranc # 63… I am so glad we are having a civil discusion here. as for “SIC” it is not the lack of education it is more of English as a second language.. I just asked one of my staff and he explained it to… however he did not know what the lettrs satnd for but I goy the gist of what it menas…
As for proof about the Vatican, is there a document or directive etc…. in writing? I think not… perhaps the word encourage should be replaced by blid eye but then again if you are turning a blid eye you are encouraging.. all you have to do is read the papers conservetive and liberal alike how archdiosis (is this correct the spelling) went bankrupt because of child molestation… as for you knowing a handful of them I am not shoked they are among us and we would never know…
64. mr:
Phranc # 63… I am so glad we are having a civil discusion[sic] here. as for “SIC” it is not the lack of education it is more of English as a second language.. I just asked one of my staff and he explained it to… however he did not know what the lettrs[sic] satnd[sic] for but I goy[sic] the gist of what it menas [sic]…
As for proof about the Vatican, is there a document or directive etc…. in writing? I think not… perhaps the word encourage should be replaced by blid[sic] eye but then again if you are turning a blid[sic] eye you are encouraging.. all you have to do is read the papers conservetive[sic] and liberal alike how archdiosis[sic] (is this correct the spelling) went bankrupt because of child molestation… as for you knowing a handful of them I am not shoked [sic]they are among us and we would never know…
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Not knowing what [sic] means is absolutely a lack of education. Knowing comes from being educated. And since you can’t admittedly come up with any proof the Vatican encourages the rape of children its nice to see you admit to lying earlier even if you had to backtrack on it. Turning a blind eye is not the same as encouraging. Maybe you should just stop using English as you don’t know what the words mean. Educate your self first.
You have no credibility.
#60 mr
Since you converted to catholicism and I’m sure you really practice your new religion, explain to me the meaning of communion, where it came from, and the last time you went to communion. Also explain the difference between prayer beads and the rosary. And, can you also tell me the order or the priests where you do go to church.
Please excuse my typo in #66. The last line should read: And, can you also tell me the order of the priests where you do go to church.
#50
The biggest acts of treason being Blair’s putting America’s (and indeed Halliburton’s) interests before Britain’s. (NewLabour are despised for abandoning Labour principles and pandering to the chattering classes and the City fatcats).
The vast majority of British people opposed the Iraq war because they could clearly see Blair was not “batting for Britain”, but rather flattering his own narcissistic ego and self-righteous arrogance. We British had no say in the Iraq war, therefore we should not have been involved.
Bin Laden is not stupid, his objective is to bankrupt America, not destroy it, something which his allies in fascist Goldman Sachs, gangster-friendly Lockheed, anti-American corporate welfare spongers Halliburton and rapists KBR, and Blackwater (who raped Iraqi girls and murdered Iraqi civilians for fun).
Indeed, Iraq was a massive corporate welfare scam for the millitary industrial complex. Bin Laden indeed predicted that these greedy corporations would break America, and so it has come to pass. While the US taxpayer was raped by the incompetent, un-American and bloated Pentagon, Britain got precisely nothing out of the Iraq war.
The talk of spreading democracy is BS; in the 1950s America and Britain destroyed the democratically elected Iranian government because it dared to upset western oil companies. That did not benefit Americans or Britons, it benefited oil corporations.
There is a suspicion that Israel is playing a similar game to Bin Laden; deliberately stoking conflict (the settlements serve no other purpose than to ignite hatred), and getting other people to fight their wars; trying to suck everyone in. Ahmedinajed, Netanyahu, Bin Laden, Wolfowitz, Cheney…all of them parasites who want us to fight their battles for them.
There’s also the small matter of Dr. Kelly, who was quite obviously murdered. Judging by MI5′s close proximity to Kelly, only they or an “ally” could have done so.
And before Israelis crow about terrorism being Islamic, lest we forget that Yitshak Rabin was assassinated by an Israeli terrorist.
Most Muslims, like most human beings, just want to get on with their lives. Its the war-mongering ideologues of all religions and creeds that need to be purged.
# 66 and 67 and also #65
the difference between prayer beads and rosary is to decide which alter boy will get moledted and when… the order of the priest is also based on the above who ever is hornier gets to go first…
Carol,
You rarely reply to my comments. I do make valid point in an unoffensive way. I will try again.
‘Perhaps we should all “f*** off back to Israel.”
I thought you were born in Philadelphia? An American that does want to be tread on.
I am not sure if you have American or British citizenship,but you have been here for years.
Who is ‘we’?
I assume you mean people of jewish faith?
Even with your background it’s seems that you identify more with Israel.
That is the point they trying to make.Will this allegiance affect the Chilcot Inquiry?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ABBaMFkkA
On this clip(you start at 8 minutes)
You rightly claim that the media whipps up hatred for muslim’s,and this is fueling islamaphobia.
Why then would you then do the same. Even quoting the same publication that you have said does lead to violence against muslim’s ?
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/yes-michael-moore-there-is-a-terrorist-threat/
‘Back’
So your ancestor’s may or may not been there 1700 years ago.
This gives you the right of citizenship in Israel.
But people born there grandparent/great grandparenys/great great granparents ……..,have no right to return.
mags,
You seem to want to nitpick everything so here are my nitpicks:
‘it’s seems’ should be ‘it seems.’
ancestor’s should be ‘ancestors.’
‘hatred for muslim’s’ should be ‘hatred for Muslims.’
‘media whipps up’ should be ‘whip up’
‘jewish faith’ should be ‘Jewish faith.’
I never said I cannot afford health treatment in the USA. I can’t afford to pay a mover and like millions of people in the UK can just about afford to got to KFC in Marble Arch and that’s about the extent of my travels these days.
Carol, your piece is cogent and disturbing. But the people you refer to are all usual suspects, punching above their weight because of their position in British cultural life. There is a whiff of anti-semitism which has, in some places, become almost pungent. Since the Gaza conflict the usual suspects have rather let themselves go. Hence the Livni scandal which has deeply embarassed the frankly inept Foreign Office. But surely evidence that anti-semitism and its anti-Zionism bedfellow haven’t really attracted anyone new? Note the (largely) responsible coverage of the JFS ruling. They just cause more of a stink.