….THIS!

I wonder if ‘mags’ has heard about THAT? And how is NICE involved in this?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I wonder if they’re contemplating doing the Communist Chinese ‘ghoul’ activities of harvesting organs as well. Gotta find SOME ‘creative’ ways to keep within budget…..

We are not naive or stupid we demand to choose what is done with our taxes. — mags

I hear that a LOT on this side of the Big Pond. Mostly from so-called ‘progressives’ who do a LOT of ‘projection’.

RE: Communists

It’s laughable to think we are like communists . — mags

Yeah. I can hear the nigh maniacal laughter from the middle of the States.

By the way. I didn’t say “Communists”.

RE: Evasion, Anyone?

The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) is the independent organisation responsible for providing national guidance on the promotion of good health and the prevention and treatment of ill health. — mags

Is it a government-associated ‘organization’?

We have “independent organizations” this side of the Big Pond. Things like AMTrack.

How does NICE relate to the government? Based on what Mike McNally says, it looks to be a rather close relationship. How close?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. When was that last time you watch George Lucas’ classic, THX-1138?

Elections are won and lost over health care, we are deciding on policy.
It’s laughable to think we are like communists .

We may share a language but our countries culture and beliefs are different.

The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) is the independent organisation responsible for providing national guidance on the promotion of good health and the prevention and treatment of ill health.

It is made up with NHS staff, healthcare professionals, patients and carers, industry and the academic world.

NICE interventional procedures guidance protects patients’ safety and supports people in the NHS in the process of introducing new procedures. Many of the procedures that NICE investigates are new, but also look at more established procedures if there is uncertainty about their safety or how well they work.

The topics NICE develops guidance on comes from a number of sources, including the Department of Health, healthcare and public health professionals, patients, carers and the general public.

The Patient and Public Involvement Programme (PPIP) provides advice and support to NICE on patient, carer and public involvement. The PPIP currently works with NICE to develop opportunities for involving patients, carers and members of the public across NICE’s work programmes.

Why is that a death squad?

As for the site you’d recommended, it was different. You’d had an ‘s’ on the end of your post.. making it unable to open.

I’d had a rebuttal to your site due to quality of life for senior citizens in the UK as compared to senior citizens in the U.S.

I’d spent a great deal of time in the UK while in the military. The periods I saw these old souls was to/ from church and the grocery store.. Senior citizens in the UK don’t resemble ‘Miss Bucket’s’ energy or enthusiasm.

I live a healthy lifestyle. Though if I hadn’t, the Government, as well as my employer (in the aforementioned article, it’s both for the hospital staff) hasn’t ANY business intervening with my personal life.

If this other lifestyle is affecting my day-to-day work production it should be taken into account and addressed. But a blanketed statement for ALL smokers and overweight folks.

Then the American people should take note from our neighbors and approach Barney Frank, Barack Obama, Newt Gengrich, Nancy Pelosi (I don’t believe botox and the ‘Designing Women’ shoulder padded jackets are healthy. Nor ‘chique’) and myriad of other politicians about their unhealthy lifestyle choices and reacquaint and the American people with a healthier alternative..? Yikes.

Right. It’s not worth the effort to “debate” this issue… like you just did – complete with straw man (“You can’t make him”), argumentum ad populum (“the vast majority”) and ad hominem (“your obsession”) fallacies. Nice try.

Erm… “just drop it” is somehow different from “STFU” in your estimation? You might want to think a little bit harder about that one.

Also, one can’t be “discredited” by citing a documented fact. Your fantasies about what I think aren’t going to discredit me or anyone else who recognizes this fact.

You may think you’re kidding yourself with this lame, cowardly, politically expedient, apathetic B.S. You’re not kidding anyone else.

That having been noted, I never told you to STFU. I was simply recommending (unasked for, certainly) to you that continuing to bring this argument up will somewhat discredit you (and therefore your other arguments) in the eyes of the vast majority of Americans. IMHO, of course. Do as you will, however! And good luck!

regards

P.S. This is off-topic completely as concerns this thread, so let’s both agree to just drop it at this point. Deal?

We Brits actually drink more, smoke more and have just as lousy a diet as you do anyway so the ‘lifestyles’ explanation doesn’t seem to hold water. What is it then? — Mark J

….did you THIS?

I think I need to take up gambling. I’ve got the other two factors covered well enough.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[He who hates vice, hates mankind.]

We seem to have more equipment and less lag-time in seeing a medical professional. ”

arrogance of ignorance, could go both ways I think.

More equipment, more testing, less lag time, fluffier towels, twice the price, yet still you die younger.

The average American pays just as much in tax to fund socialised medicine (medicare, medicaid, VA) as the average Brit does (NHS), the unfortunate thing is that while working age tax paying Brits benefit, working age tax paying yanks are just paying for others!

“It’s all lifestyle choices” I hear you say to explain why Americans die so young but doesn’t the argument go that ‘socialised’ medicine makes people care less about their own health? It seems that if we in Europe have such terrible healthcare, then we must look after ourselves a whole lot better to live longer than our American friends.

We Brits actually drink more, smoke more and have just as lousy a diet as you do anyway so the ‘lifestyles’ explanation doesn’t seem to hold water. What is it then?

If N.I.C.E is going to be protrayed as a death squad,would someone have the manners to read about it please. — mags

You REALLY expect to have a government organ announce that it is, in reality, a ‘death panel’?

How naive…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you trust a government to do right, all the time, you're likely to be one of its first victims.]

We are both banging our heads against a brick wall.
They don’t want to know.I’ll try again.

We do not give a toss what health system you all have in the U.S.A.
Ignorance isn’t the problem it’s the illusion of knowledge that we are objecting to.

82. Sharpshooter:

“For all its flaws, Britons have a soft spot for the NHS”

Considering that’s all they’ve ever known, that is not surprising in the least.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry over that comment.
Ironically you are making our point for us.

As i have said before i work in the N.H.S have done for 20yrs,as with Mike we live here and use it.
You should be asking question’s,that is if people really want to know more?

O,K, the N.H.S was formed post ww2.On return the recovery and health of our people depended on wealth.

The country had been bombed killing and maiming women and children from all walks of life.
People had fought shoulder to shoulder and were now not equal.
Health and death shouldn’t be based on ability to pay.

The N.H.S has and will have to evolve. It doesn’t cover everything.
It is not a left wing policy,even Thatcher didn’t try to abolish it.

Why is it so supported? ‘We don’t know any better’,as Mark said we are not North Korea.
We are well versed in it’s problems.

It’s tax payer that leads the N.H.S not the Government.
Elections are won and lost here on health care and education.The policy reflects society.
We don’t just blindly support it? We go on and on about it .We are share holders.

Immigration and asylum seekers are having a huge impact on the N.H.S.
As in the U.S this is causing problems. Some seem to come straight from the plane to were i work demanding treatment- however not in English,we have to use interpreters that cost a fortune.
It is hard to debate this without being accussed of being racist,but we are trying.

I have patients from Afghanistan complaining about air conditioning.(they live in caves).

We do not like being taken advantage of. But to not offer healthcare ,not just emergency is about our ideology not theres.

No one is saying you should adopt our system.

If N.I.C.E is going to be protrayed as a death squad,would someone have the manners to read about it please.

http://www.nice.org.uk/