BREAKING: Senator Barbara Boxer and EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson Throw IPCC Under the Bus
During the review of the Environmental Protection Agency budget in today’s Senate Environment and Public Works Committee hearing, both Senator Barbara Boxer — the chair of the committee — and EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson distanced themselves from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4).
Boxer and Jackson’s statements, in addition to being a striking change in policy, are problematic because U.S. climate science is very closely tied to the IPCC reports (as Christopher Horner showed in his recent PJM series on the NASA FOIA emails.)
The statements by Boxer and Jackson followed Senator Inhofe’s release (see the PJM exclusive report) in his opening statement of a minority staff report documenting many flaws in the IPCC report and the other evidence revealed in the Climategate files. (See the full hearing on CSPAN here; the exchanges with Senator Boxer and Inhofe, and Administrator Jackson begin at about 56 minutes into the video.)
Both Boxer and Jackson appeared to be trying to distance the EPA from the IPCC report. Boxer said:
In my opening statement, I didn’t quote one international scientist or IPCC report. … We are quoting the American scientific community here.
When Inhofe directly asked Jackson if she still considered the IPCC report the “gold standard,” she answered:
The primary focus of the endangerment finding was on climate threat risks in this country.
Jackson also noted:
[The errors Inhofe had presented were] international events. The information on the glaciers and other events doesn’t weaken … the evidence we considered [to make the Endangerment Finding on CO2.]
The EPA has specifically cited the IPCC AR4 report as the primary source from which it drew information to make the Endangerment Finding on CO2 as a pollutant. In the past, the worldwide nature of the climate changes, and of the data, had been cited as one of the reasons for using the IPCC report, but now it appeared that Jackson was trying to separate the Endangerment Finding from the IPCC.
However, when Inhofe asked Jackson if she was considering asking the EPA inspector general to investigate the IPCC science, she answered:
If anything changes … certainly I would call for a review of the finding, but I haven’t seen that.
I won’t be happy until Barbara “Call me Senator” Boxer loses in November; Kerry resigns, and “dumb and dumber” (aka Waxman and Markey) withdraw their bill and apologize to the full House.
And dream of all dreams, Al Gore to return his Nobel Prize.
If all that happened, I’d call this a GREAT year!!!!
You were expecting something different from Boxer and Jackson? Now that the wheels are coming off the global warming hoax, what is next?
Here is what Rush Limbaugh said about the silly B.Boxer retort:
So she says we are not relying on their frauds over there;
no, we are relying on USA fraudsters over here. Feel better?
“If anything changes … certainly I would call for a review of the finding, but I haven’t seen that.”
The Democrats cannot blame the Republicans for this mess. They no incentive whatsoever to start any sort of investigation. It only hurts them. An EPA Administrator is unfortunately a presidential appointment. I don’t see anything happening until a Republican is elected president in 2012.
I will be become an ardent supporter of AGW, if someone can explain to me in scientific terms, ie quantum physics, the actual mechanism that causes CO2, a trace gas, to emit so much energy to influence atmospheric temperature. How many calories, BTU’s or what other measurements are used to measure the energy emitted by the CO2 molecule when it gets hit by a photon. We know that CO2 emits infra-red when the electron that was knocked out of orbit by a photon returns to its original state. Come on Al ( Gore), doctor NYE the science guy, tell me! I gots know.
Would someone please ask to release a copy of the IPCC report with the parts that she accepts underlined. American citizens have the right to know what science Jackson is using. We need in detail without sound bites.
If she can’t trust her sources, how can we trust her? Opps…we don’t!
Their words need to be put before them and the public. in say..now until November 10
If they did not mean them, how can we know what they truly mean?
VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Al really really really needs to be called up on the carpet, er, iceberg…and the “almost/shouldbeen” president needs to have that prize taken away and done in public…it won’t happen but it needs to.
note:
I’m speaking of any elected officials that now want to back track on what they said, and what it means.
“Charlie Martin Nobel prize winner in 2010″.
Global Warming…Al G’s Voodoo Science. Sure made him a lot of $$.
We’ve all noticed it’s been renamed Climate Change.
When I was in grade school –middle of the last Century–we studied “geography” and history included the early explorers of North America. For years I thought some early map maker made an error in naming Greenland as it was covered with ice. But over the last decades …when the ice is receding..they’ve been finding old Viking Settlements…so it was actually green in the 800′s or 900′s or so. Then the climate changed again and it became covered with ice. Now the climate is changing again. As humans we have done a good job of cleaning up our air and water…but we are small potatoes when it comes to Sun Spots, a tiny extra gravitational pull by the Sun or moon, a slight tilt in the earth’s axis. We have to adapt–or perish. No amount of taxpayers $$ are going to affect real climate changes.
I didn’t see it, and if I did…I didn’t rely on it, and if I did…I didn’t mean it.
(I won’t call you General, but you call me Senator) Boxer is in a fight to save her political hide – it’s no surprise she’s stepping on IPCC with her stilletto heels. She’ll drive them into the ground until after the election – that is, if she’s still above ground.
Jackson has merely wet her finger, put it in the air & checked the wind direction. She determined it’s not blowing her way – hence throwing IPCC under the bus.
These people have no scruples – the means isn’t about justifying the ends; the means is irrelvant. The ends of obtaining power is the only thing that matters to these people, period.
Question for Ms Jackson. She said:
“In my opening statement, I didn’t quote one international scientist or IPCC report. … We are quoting the American scientific community here.”
Okay, fine. What about the revelations contained in the emails from NASA-GISS, which look as damning as those from CRU or the errors contained in the IPCC reports? GISS and its head, James Hansen, were deeply involved with scientists at these other institutions; you can’t pretend a national border provides a firewall.
Boxer is a disgrace and Jackson should be fired for trying to perpetuate and exploit this fraud.
Mention of criminal prosecutions of the major hoaxsters likely hasn’t gone without notice. Mann may get a slap on the wrist in academia, but if he received state funds under false pretenses at least Pennsylvania can go where the feds dare not go. Jones may need counsel over in Britan, either. I recommend peer-reviewed attorneys for either if the need arises.
Boxer and Jackson are infantile, clinging to their last, best hope Santa exists although not as they originally perceived. The mere fact these dimwits have achieved such high positions in this nation is a sad comment on us all.
I read the rules for posting and find that I cannot comply with them…..know what I mean?
Mr. Martin:
“[The errors Inhofe had presented were] international events. The information on the glaciers and other events doesn’t weaken … the evidence we considered [to make the Endangerment Finding on CO2.]”
Ah, I ubderstand Ms. Jackson now.
The rest of the world’s climate is just fine, it is only America’s climate that is at risk from CO2 “pollutants”.
That “Think Globally, Act Locally” meme was SO “90′s” anyway!
The Democrat/MSM coalition must be under heavy stress, if Boxer and Jackson are forced to throw the IPCC under the bus despite the gaping vacuum where the Climategate story should have been appearing since November in the US.
Looks like the new media is getting so healthy that an old-media blackout no longer a sufficient shield for the Democrats against reality. There goes that 16-point advantage the Democrats have enjoyed in every election for the last 30 years. Can’t happen soon enough.
Note to Jackson: science is not an unquestionable Authority, even if you segregate it so you only communicate with ‘American’ scientists. Science is skepticism on stilts, and the IPCC reports which claim ‘consensus’ are merely grim evidence of corruption of the scientific method.
Now, if that bus would just back over Barbara “The Mighty Midget” Boxer and Lisa “Don’t Call Me Michael” Jackson, it would be a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
Rats, meet sinking ship. Ship, meet…oh you know each other? Good.
BB is one of the arrogant left joined at the hip with Nancy P and both are radical left wingers from the 1960s. But maybe change is possible at least BB is up for ‘re-cornation’ this year. But what do you expect from Disneyland er, Ca.
jensad
Liberalism relies heavily on the short memory and feelings-only minds of the sheeple. The sheeple will never say “gee that is completely different than what they said before…”, they will simply take guidance from the thought leaders about what to be outraged about today.
Boxer is a craven liar, but I can’t say she is worse than 75% of those in the senate today. Note the percentage I give covers republicans as well.
I have one thing to say stop FUNDING THE EPA It is a waste of money and it is not being useful It is use to abuse people I stop believing in the EPA when Obama group said that if the congress did not vote for Cap and Trade they would use the EPA to get the job done and that would be a lot harder on the people If I am not wrong that can not be done You can not use on group to make the congress do as you say So I say stop FUNDING THE EPA AND STOP THE ABUSE OF POWER BY ONE BRANCH OF THE GOV
Babs and Weezy are two-legged stools. The first leg is their incorrigible arrogance, the second their contempt for any objective or even rational evidence in conflict with their hyper-partisan prejudices. Uttering high-pitched bleats and squeaks as they creep towards Reality’s sacrificial altar, this sad-sack pair reminds us of two stringy-haired gossips trashing neighbors over a back-fence. Dull-eyed, pinched, reptilian, Babs and Weezy are eloquent reminders that “against stupidity, the Gods themselves are helpless.”
Jackson trying to “separate” the EPA finding from the UN Climate Panel is so patently disingenuous as to be frightening in the extreme. In the first 63 pages of the Technical Support Document filed by the EPA in support of its “finding” the term “IPCC” appears approximately 120 times. Funny how “international” data was more than sufficient to penalize U.S. consumers but now becomes the red-haired stepchild at the dinner table with someone yells Liar, Liar pants on fire!
weatherfairy writes:
“Boxer and Jackson are infantile, clinging to their last, best hope Santa exists although not as they originally perceived. The mere fact these dimwits have achieved such high positions in this nation is a sad comment on us all.”
I favored the feminist revolution, not the radical feminist revolution. Boxer, Jackson, Pelosi and a few others could set back gender relations by decades, especially if they make us suffer under EPA restrictions before they are thrown out of office. Would someone remind them that most of us are underwater on our houses and paying our mortgages because we are patriotic Americans and for no other reason.
I remember when numerous Dem polititions, and lefty commentators, would often cite how much of an idiot, or maybe even a crook paid for by big oil, that Sen Inhofe was because he was one of the last “Deniers” of the unquestioned clear settled science of global warming. Now climategate, and the UN report revelations, have made the lefties all look like a prime pack of fools, and has also made Inhofe look an awful lot smarter than anybody gave him credit for. I have to give Inhofe a lot of credit for standing by his principles, when a lot of powerful forces were marshaled against him. There are some social conservative issues where I dont always stand with Inhofe, but I have to give him a lot of credit for correctly holding the line on global warming.
Apparently some people believe that punctuation contributes to global warming.
Joe McC,
I was also edumacated in the last century. And very interested in all the folks who got here before Columbus. The Eric and Lief stories were heavily impacted by climate change and this left me immune to the Climate Warming fraud. I also took oceanography and got a substantially higher grade than the D that Gore got in his enviro whatever class.
Makes you wonder how many later generations were force fed the green stuff and if they are totally ruined intellectually.
Ruth Holland #23 above, said just what I was thinking.
I listened to relevant statements by both of these individuals this morning on the Rush Limbaugh program. They are complete morons– neither, obviously, has the ability to chew gum and walk at the same time. We have on display with these two the perfect example of why people elected to public office should never, under any circumstances, be allowed to decide anything of consequence or walk out into the public square. We are truly governed by idiots and have constructed a system wherein absolute incompetents of the correct political persuasion and given positions of authority. Boxer makes Keith Olberman look intelligent.
This global warming hoax actually started with Bush I. He is the first president that wanted to be called the “Environmental President” and he was the first to sanction doctored data to establish the “Clean Air Act”. After the Clean Air Act was passed the Deomcrats ( I believe Gore was a Senator at the time.) started filling the EPA with cronies they could count on to continue the assault on America. At the time it was acid rain that we were told was going to destroy all the forests and crops and if we didn’t act there would be a catastrophe. In reality the final scientific report stated that the affect on this counrty or the world from acid rain would be very small. This first step allowed Gore and his cohorts in the EPA to expand the scope and power of the EPA to where we are today. On the web there are several sites that outline what happened and show the documentation to back it up.
Phineas, I think the answer to your question is that they’re hoping that the GSFC/GISS stuff will fly under the radar. The European media is understandably focusing mainly on the East Anglia stuff, and with the American MSM 100% in the tank, the Boxers of the world are convincing themselves that they’re getting away with it.
Boxer, like Gore, believes in AGW and the tooth fairy. Both bring undeserved wealth.
The only endangerment to the country I see is the EPA and (call me) Senator Boxer. Should we ask them to stop exhaling?
I hope said bus was hybrid.
NPR’s “The World” reported yesterday on an IPCC “correction” that I assumed from the lead-in was going to be the walkback on the sea-level rise. Nope. They “reported”, or “poo-pooed” if you want to be more accurate, the “typo” that transposed 2053 to 2035 as the date when the Himalayan glaciaers would be gone! They reported on a month-old story, in a way that confused it with and obscured a current story! This is no accident!
Look at what what is happening here: using their ability to suppress coverage of Globaloney scandals, the MSM is now playing a game where they substitute typos for frauds in the minds of their core demographic, the Dimly-Informed (who get their news from their local Lib-rag and the Alphabet-Network talking heads). Thus every story that makes its way through their smokescreen can then be “revealed” to be a much less egregious transgression that actually was revealed weeks ago, hiding the really nasty stuff that is now beginning to come out.
How long can the MSM get away with “kiting checks” this way? You can bet that Obama is intensely interested in knowing that answer.
I have noticed that when crossing the border at San Ysidro the climate there closely follows the IPCC report. Thank goodness science behaves differently when it crosses lines of latitude and longitude. I’m wondering also if the laws of thermodynamics are also different on a country by country basis.
Robert said:
“I will be become an ardent supporter of AGW, if someone can explain to me in scientific terms, ie quantum physics, the actual mechanism that causes CO2, a trace gas, to emit so much energy to influence atmospheric temperature.”
I had the same question and here’s my best understanding.Link.
1. Yes CO2 causes global warming.
2. It’s not that big of a deal.
Not even Michael Mann and his Hockey Team ever claimed that carbon dioxide is a pollutant.
If there is even one real scientist in the USA who can keep a straight face while stating publicly that atmospheric carbon dioxide is a pollutant, I want Ms. Jackson to name him (or her).
Even in California the political winds are blowing. Senator “Babs” Boxer is feeling the heat on November 2nd
She has a history of playing dirty ball against her opponents. It will IMO be very difficult for her to hold this year.
Anybody notice how much more honest and humble libs get when the polls begin to get squeezed? Boxer is the ultimate self-absorbed, self-important, self-serving hack who would sell her own children into the sex trade to continue to serve, if required.
If Babs gets beat in November, in libbie nirvana FruitLoopfornia, all lefty politicians in the Senate are in serious trouble.
Hello, the last time I checked Dallas, Texas was in the United States, and we just had more snow….again….for the 4th time this year. Boxer and Jackson are eco-Fascists, they hate America and they hate humankind. Maybe they should look at the same type of data manipulation, suppression of dissenting reports and fraud going on at NASA/GISS….that’s in Houston, and the last time checked, that was in the US too! Dr. James Hansen has already been exposed numerous times for producing flawed and fraudulent reports. Senator Inhofe, please investigate these crooks!
I think once every generation people relive the mistakes of the past to only learn once again why exactly we don’t elect these far left progressive hacks into our federal gov’t. Obama et al. are doing everything in their power to ram this crap that no one wants and no one needs down our throat because they knew full well going into this term of office that they were going to alienate a great majority of Americans with their radical agenda. They knew they’d just have 2 years to get it done before hell or high water.
The only reason this administration shows any interest whatsoever in the con of a cap and trade system is that it gives them direct control of one of the largest segments of the American economy. It is also precisely why they are making such a big deal about health care as well. They often highlight the fact that health care consumes 18% of our economy and it is precisely for that fact that it is a sizable percentage of the money flowing through this country that they show any interest in it whatsoever. If the American people blew 18% of the economy on lollipops there would be a lollipop czar in about 2 shakes of a lamb’s tail. They don’t care about the subject matter or the agenda, they are just following the money and looking for any oppurtunity to rack in massive tax revenues by directly controlling every aspect of our lives and well being.
We need to continue to raise our voices in contempt and disgust at the blatant lies and out right hijacking of our unique American values and beliefs. Despite their constant consternation to the opinion that Americans are too stupid to understand these highly nuanced issues. They have sorely mis-underestimated the intelligence and common sense of the American people into being conned into the hoax of “climate change” and “health care reform”. Now it is time to make them pay for this travesty they have attempted to perpetuate on this great country.
Boxer has been a Politician far too long. She has been on Video numerous times with anti-USA and Racist statements. Boxer, Pelosi & Feinstein? C’mon that is a train wreck for America.
“…We are quoting the American scientific community here.”
“…on climate threat risks in this country.”
It’s so good to know these champions of the environment are concentrating on
AMERICAN CLIMATE change with AMERICAN SCIENTISTS!
Yesiree! Thank God we have these two loyal, patriotic, red-white-and-blue-AIR, heads of the Senate committee and EPA to take a stand where others are so afraid to do for fear of looking foolish!
Makes me proud to be from California, where we know NOT to call our Senators “ma’am”, and we can count on our “Babs” to do the right thing for our country…even when she has no friggin’ idea what that is!
Boxer owes the gentleman from the Chamber of Commerce an apology. Jackson should just resign. CRU and Hansen collaborated on this mess. So much for the carbon credit scam and Gore’s software carbon detection program. fraud is a nasty thing, particularly when it’s taxpayer funded fraud.
The alarmists are starting to panic – they’ve been reduced to name calling and stamping their feet even harder that “this is SETTLED”, and disdainfully dismissing the growing revelations of numbers fudging, data cherry picking, horrid computer modeling code, and, quite frankly, threats and intimidation used to put forward the case for the theory that CO2 levels are a critical component of Global Climate, and the extension of this, that mankind’s involvement in the carbon cycle is a causal factor for detrimental effect.
Slight problem, however – CO2 isn’t nearly as influential as the alarmists would like it, or themselves, to be. Measurement and observation have indicated that CO2 levels have virtually no discernible effect on Long Wave Radiative energy dispersion (the mechanics of the ‘greenhouse effect’). In short – it isn’t a factor.
Although this does effectively knock the stool out from under their entire position on the matters at hand, and leave them dangling, figuratively, many are simply too invested in a variety of ways, to admit that they’re wrong. For people whose agenda is larger government, with more control, regulation, and central planning, it’s been the goose that’s laid dozens of eggs. For those that like to ‘prove’ they’re ‘good people’ by how much they ‘care’, it’s a bitter pill to swallow that they’ve been duped. For the academics whove been caught red handed torturing the data until it cries AGW!, there’s a lot of funding and grant money at stake. For the flat out charlatans (Al Gore), it’s been worth literally billions.
But getting back to the ‘science’, there have been numerous indicators that something wasn’t quite right with the hypothesis for some time -
- observations of simultaneous warming/cooling on various bodies in the Solar System, all but one untouched by ‘man-made greenhouse gasses’.
- periods in the geologic record during which CO2 levels were much higher than at present, with no correlation in apparent temperature data.
- the lag of CO2 to temperature data, indicating that it follows, instead of causes or leads.
These factors are enough for a rational people to step back and wonder, as the proposed CO2/AGW theory does not explain them, nor can it account for them.
Further, even by the admission of those advocating drastic and probably ruinous action by re-engineering, on the fly, practically every useful energy transference scheme our current civilization is dependent upon in favor of less efficient, more expensive schemes, many of which have experienced significant scaling problems, such drastic changes will have but a miniscule effect on the outcomes of doom put forward as the justification for such steps to be taken. Self inflicted pain and suffering for un-measurable gain.
So, if it won’t ‘save’ the planet, then what really IS the point?
Power. Money. Control.
Simple answer. No.
And the number times that Babs insinuates that Inhofe is engaging in McCarthyism, as she did in her closing remarks, don’t really make any difference. . .
It was also amusing to note that after they tossed the IPCC under the bus and said they relied on NASA and NOAA, after Barrosso (R-WY) waved around the SPPI report of NASA/NOAA temp data tampering, they suddenly included two NEW ‘Climate Authorities’ -
The Department of Defense, and the CIA!
Probably comes as news to those on the south side of the Potomac. . .
I’ll be happy when we have a Senate Environment and Public Works Committee willing to haul James Hansen in for malpractice.
@ 22 P T Bull;
You’re sandbagging on you percentage estimate… We’re at 90+%, and the way to do it is throw them ALL out, and let the very few with GOOD ECIDENCE of Constitutional judgment return.
So we swipe all 100 senators, maybe 5 or 6 will be able to regain their seats.
Then we need same effort in the House.
“In my opening statement, I didn’t quote one international scientist or IPCC report. … We are quoting the American scientific community here.”
Your (I’m in Australia) senators may be only quoting US scientists but THEY use the IPCC as their reference and ‘gold standard’. Sounds like a typical politicians (and IPCC) method of telling the truth but not the whole truth.
Wow, from Rush to PJM in less than a day. Congratulations! Who’s a good boy? You that’s who! That’s right! You are! You’re a good boy! Huh? Whooza a goooood boy? Cookie? Wanna cookie?
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentac.html
Odd how all those IPCCs made it onto this page. Watch for them to soon become “American Scientists.”
Call-Me-Senator Boxer undoubtedly believes in global warming from direct experience. She certainly seems to be sweating more of late. Judging from all the money-grabbing and power-mongering, I’d say the expulsion of CO2 from some is more dangerous than others…
Not only does the Central Government have NO foothold in reality – they constantly justify the reality of THEIR fantasy world.
One wonders (just to pile on), how all those pesky IPCCs made it into the 15 December Endangerment Finding, too. Hmmm…
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/downloads/Federal_Register-EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0171-Dec.15-09.pdf
Good thing they aren’t necessary. Which, of course, leads one to wonder why they are there at all if they are not necessary. Is it the EPA protocol to put unnecessary things into their reports? How very odd, indeed.
The sheeple will never say “gee that is completely different than what they said before…”,…
Before the advent of blogs and YouTube, the media would have been the only way that such hypocrisy would be exposed, and you know how they like to cover for their leftist comrades.
Wrauny quotes Robert:
“I will be become an ardent supporter of AGW, if someone can explain to me in scientific terms, ie quantum physics, the actual mechanism that causes CO2, a trace gas, to emit so much energy to influence atmospheric temperature.”
On the internet, no one who supports AGW will state some or all of the theory for purposes of debate. What does that tell you? They don’t have a theory.
Boxer and Jackson; Busted! Lying liars lying again and again and again and again. Name the American scientists you are relying on for your Co2 is a poison gas rule. Let the Straw man scientists speak and take their medicine. Revenge of the Real Scientist Nerds is coming to theater near you. Let the Supreme Court defend their stupid ruling before real Scientists. Once again, there is a price to be paid for deceit, it may take time but the payment will be made. It is not going to be the tax payer wallets but the wallets of the deceivers that will be emptied this time. Boxer and Jackson; your personal fortunes are at risk. Truth and Justice always prevail.
boxer is an idiot ..but they defend USA sources which I don’t see mentioned.
the USA has criminal enterprises for government. I see a Mad Max sequel coming …but it wont be a movie.
#33 Cousin Dave, I suspect you hit the nail on the head.
I almost want to give the argument to Jackson for the sheer moxie of claiming the IPCC had nothing to do with the EPA finding. You have to admit, it takes an insane amount of guts to lie like that and with a straight face too. A truly inspirational performance.
Robert #4
The explanation is simple. The fraud scientists could not find anything to explain why the earth seemed to be warming, and they wanted an explanation, and came up with the hypothesis that it was CO2, because it was the only thing they could find that conveniently increased when they wanted it to. I somehow doubt that this explanation will make you an ardent fan of AGW. Sorry for responding for Gore…it seems that he is inconveniently unavailable these days.
Boxer’s statement; “In my opening statement, I didn’t quote one international scientist or IPCC report. … We are quoting the American scientific community here.” Well, alright – however, it might well be good to read this piece this morning at the American Thinker … A Pending American Temperaturegate
By Edward R. Long
Long holds a Ph.D. in physics. He is a retired NASA scientist who is a consultant on radiation physics for space flight and on energy/climate in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/a_pending_american_temperature.html
On a side note:
The question that comes to mind when looking at MOST of these female politicians is, ‘Who you foolin’?
Barbara Boxer is nearly 70 years of age and has ‘brown’ hair with ‘blonde’ highlights?
As well as lampshade hairdo Pelosi, man-pants Clinton, red hair helmet Mikulski, ‘Sweeeet’ mullet Murkowski, doily collared Feinstein, dumpy ‘blondie’ McCaskill, Landrieu… on and on. Both sides of the aisle.
I see these women with their graying, balding/bald husbands and think, ‘Age with some grace, dignity’.
Remember the scene in the movie, ‘Goodfellas’ where Lorraine Bracco, portraying Henry Hill’s (Ray Liotta) wife is with other mobster wives, girlfriends?
Commenting to herself about their bad makeup, hairdos, smoking and drinking abuse, foul mouth and demeanor? This is what I think of when seeing these blonde, brunette haired geriatrics with their liver spotted hands, chicken necks and curved spines.. oy!
Of course, Jackson will not see that the lack of veracity of the IPCC AR$ will have any effect on their CO2 finding as their finding was indeed based on nothing but political expediency – it’s what they want.
The banning of DDT was a unilateral decision by Ruckelshaus for which he refused to offer any explanation, following two weeks of court hearings which concluded that DDT posed no risk to humans or the environment.
It is hard to find fault with a finding that has no basis, except maybe taking exception to the idea of making decisions with no rationale at all. BUt, that’s the EPA’s MO.
Skeeziks
“Wow, from Rush to PJM in less than a day. Congratulations! Who’s a good boy? You that’s who! That’s right! You are! You’re a good boy! Huh? Whooza a goooood boy? Cookie? Wanna cookie?”
You have neither added nor refuted anything. Didja have anything to add or didja just wanna …open your mouth and remove all doubt?
What’s your take on Bab’s disavowal of the IPCC while you still cling to it as gospel? Has she gone insane? Is she now a traitor as you see it? Should she immediately report back to the Legion of Doom for a programming adjustment?
The picture of Lisa Jackson belongs now on milk cartons
No less important is another way that Obama and his merry men are wanting to control our lives: health care.
So, here’s a cause that the Republicans should take up:
THE WAY to Really Call The Democrats’ Bluff and Save Us in the Process
Barak Obama just wants to give granny a pain killer, not treat her condition. And the state of Oregon would rather assist suicide than give one of its residents cancer treatments/medications.
In response, here’s what we do:
Introduce and pass legislation that would prevent the Federal government, or any of its agencies, from harming us, killing us, or otherwise prevent us from receiving life-preserving treatment, as a matter of its operating any sort of health care system.
Push for a constitutional amendment. Really raise as much stink as possible.
Credit Rose Pappas, senior citizen, Chicago, Illinois.
Let’s get behind this. I have a premium membership with Rush and have already emailed him. If you have access to Glenn Beck and/or Sean Hannity and/or Mark Levin through premium membership, please email them.
A person’s age should be an asset. I don’t care if their hands have liver spots and their hips have pillows.
It’s their intelligence and integrity we should be talking about,
…..and they have NONE!!!!NADA, ZILCH, NR, HET,NEIN !!!NONONO!!!!’
Pelosi belongs here..
Yes, we need to find and hear from Gore.
#37 Sherlock:
The disappearing Himalayan glaciers claim has always been laughable on its face. The temperature is seldom above freezing when you are above 15,000′ and never above freezing when you get past 20,000’ Percipation at these altitudes is always in the form of snow or at best freezing rain. The reason for this is Charles Law which states that temperature and pressure are directly correlated. Above 15000′ there just isn’t enough atmospheres to get the temperature above freezing. Snow loss at high altitude is the result of sublimation and not melting.
Skeezix: There you are. I was a little worried about you.
But I’ll thank you to note that we had this story before Rush.
With the demise of disappearing glaciers, rain forests, immenent African faminies and rising sea levels all the trolls like Skeezits have is childish insults. As much as I am reluctant to banish anybody from an internet discussion I think it might be time to prohibit these idiots from commenting on scientific threads. If you only have insults to bring you don’t belong here. (Insults are ok as long as you bring content to the discussion)
A slimy rat jumping off a sinking ship. Akeezits is a perfect supporter for the statist-environmental-wackos! Their hero “Al Nobel Prize winner Gore is hiding “on the mattres” as he is now up to “NINE LIES” watching his last wild claim unravel. Gore’s silence speaks volumes, along with all his climate charlatans he inspired being exposed as the work of con artists.
Wondered how long it would take little skeezer to show up to do his stray dog routine-show up, drop a load of s###, and then go somewhere else to do it again. . . .how does it feel to have your religion be proved a lie, troll?
Good piece, Charlie Martin. Keep digging, I have think that the whole theory is no more than politics as usual. By the way, Sheeziks is a troll who drops these turds on a regular basis, and has no intention of trying to refute your thesis or argue for his own beliefs. You should not reply to him, it gives him way too much credit.
#61 Why do you refer to yourself as the “head of a cow”?
Why do folks act like you can balance one crazy opinion by acting at least equally crazy in the opposite direction?
This tactic doesn’t help anyone win. It just makes the bystanders sick of the game.
More light, less heat.
76. RickGreenvilleSC:
Since when is Christianity a lie? Mind your mouth, blasphemer!
72. tdiinva:
“I think it might be time to prohibit these idiots from commenting on scientific threads.”
Hmm, perhaps when I can summon the same grasp of “Percipation” at altitude you’ll allow me back.
73. Charlie Martin:
“But I’ll thank you to note that we had this story before Rush.”
Don’t than me until I agree to accept it, which I don’t. You see, Chas, if you had posted it before Rush said it, your claim would have teeth. Instead? Just gums.
And by the way, isn’t that whole “Chas” thing a little elitist? You with your hifalutin degree from your fancy college of learning and all. That anyone would accept the opinion of some academic educated in the socialist university system in our country is a joke and a shame.
TO THE FRUSTRATED AND TERMINALLY ARBITRARY PATRIOTS:
68. CJ:
“Skeeziks . . . You have neither added nor refuted anything. Didja have anything to add or didja just wanna …open your mouth and remove all doubt?”
AND
74. tdiinva:
“all the trolls like Skeezits have is childish insults.”
AND
77. Jim Baker:
“Sheeziks is a troll who drops these turds on a regular basis, and has no intention of trying to refute your thesis or argue for his own beliefs.”
I GIVE YOU:
15. theweatherfairy:
“Boxer and Jackson are infantile . . . ”
17. Bilgeman:
“Ah, I ubderstand Ms. Jackson now. The rest of the world’s climate is just fine, it is only America’s climate that is at risk from CO2 “pollutants”.”
A direct quote from Limbaugh . . . proving yet again that Chaz is a good boy.
19. almostacowboy:
“Now, if that bus would just back over Barbara “The Mighty Midget” Boxer and Lisa “Don’t Call Me Michael” Jackson, it would be a wonderful day in the neighborhood.”
24. John Blake:
Babs and Weezy are two-legged stools . . . incorrigible arrogance . . . contempt for any objective or even rational evidence . . . hyper-partisan prejudices. . . . bleats and squeaks . . . sad-sack pair . . . wo stringy-haired gossips. . . dull-eyed, pinched, reptilian”
31. MikeD:
“I listened to relevant statements by both of these individuals this morning on the Rush Limbaugh program.” . . . (Sshhh . . . don’t tell Chaz.) . . . “They are complete morons”
61. cabeza de vaca:
“boxer is an idiot”
66. paul_unalaska:
“Barbara Boxer is nearly 70 years of age and has ‘brown’ hair with ‘blonde’ highlights?”
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE NO STANDING. (If we can’t trust your to be even moderately consistent or objective with simple narratives like this, how can we trust you with the intricacies of science? We can’t. Stick with Elvis conventions and Civil War re-enactments.)
#66 Un_alaska.
Spot on. Very perceptive, you are. I had to chuckle.
skeez:
Figures you would focus on an obvious typographic inversion instead of real content. I sure you have dutifully checked Google to look up Charles’ Law by now but I am sure you went for the glacier-less Himalayas hook, line and sinker.
2. Warren Beatty:
You were expecting something different from Boxer and Jackson? Now that the wheels are coming off the global warming hoax, what is next?
Ohhh, i don’t know…”Bonnie & Clyde” is WATCHABLE?
Folks are catching fish in the Cuyahoga River. Just how clean is clean? How clean can We The People afford for air and water to be? Serious taxpayer money is being wasted needlessly. How many children on this planet will starve to death before the sun comes up? Think of the good and honorable and needed things for which our wasted tax dollars could have been used. Shame on Congress. Shame on the EPA. Shame on us.
Skeezix, the original story was up at 0600 Eastern. Rush’s show doesn’t start until 0900 Eastern. Just because you didn’t come by until you’d gotten your talking points doesn’t mean the story wasn’t up. Rush almost certainly picked it up via Drudge.
As to the rest, well, if we deleted every dumb or irrational comment, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
During one of the sessions that was televised Henry Waxman was asked what he based his findings on. He responded with wide eyes “I’m just going by what the U.N IPCC says.” Liars and Globalists.
skeeziks/moho -
I and others have ‘No standing’? Your entire persona is deflection, innuendo and insult.
Again, your being an unaccomplished individual in the most prosperous nation of the free world is nobody’s fault but your own.
I come to these forums to discuss, learn and at times joke about topics at hand. You come here to, and I’m paraphrasing, ‘to insult people’.
Your agenda is not to enrich, possibly evolve the discussion in the hopes of coming to an accord. Your modus operandi is counterproductive, divisive and nonsensical.
Go take your childish jabs. Sadly it’s the only kid glove rebuttal you espouse.
‘..intricacies of science..’. I work in the science field. Even our unpaid interns snicker when seeing Boxer, Jackson exit stage right on AGW. As well as the overwhelmingly false data of the CRU, NOAA/NWS, NASA, BoM (Australia) ad infinitum..
Thanks Mr Martin
Lisa Jackson is the next fraud to hit the brakes
Peabody Coal filed a lawsuit seeking to restrain the EPA from innacting findings and imposing restrictions on industry. Lisa Jackson will have her unedcucated mind in court under oath telling the judge exactly where the science comes from that is behind the EPA claims./
The IPCC and the EPA are news aggregators. They are not large banks of research labs and scientists. The IPCC seeks warm fuzzy alarmist articles to share with goobal governments.
Now Peabody is entitled under oath for Lisa to show evidence and proof of problematic actions of sox, nox, cox and CH4.
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/02/17/17greenwire-16-endangerment-lawsuits-filed-against-epa-bef-74640.html
We have not heard from the stupid Waxman lateley. He of course admitted on youtube that he didn’t read the bill with his name on it. They rely on AR4 IPCC reports which they (Waxmann and his herd)don’t read and cover articles from Greenpeece and WWF which the IPCC didn’t read.
Pachauri is now being investigated.
Charlie
Have you seen this yet?
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/27/physicists-memo-to-parliament-blasts-agw-science/