PJM Sources Report Details of Alleged Cain Incident
Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”
Both sources claim to be politically conservative.
One source, a male, told PJ Media:
Herman took advantage of seniority and power with a young woman. It was an abuse of power.
Implying that coming forward with the accusations was an ordeal for the young woman, the source also said:
Who do you believe, a CEO or a mid-level staffer? It was unsettling for her to make charges.
The name of the woman — who was in her early twenties at the time of the alleged incident — has been confirmed by PJ Media. We have chosen not to reveal her identity for reasons of discretion.
Both sources, one male and one female, worked at the time — mid-1990s — for the governmental affairs department of the National Restaurant Association, as did the woman.
According to the female source, Mr. Cain and the woman had been with a large group for a long evening of food and drink at the Ciao Baby Cucina, a restaurant near NRA headquarters in downtown Washington, D.C. This was a normal routine, as the trade association worked with the food and beverage industry. Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up.
The female source told PJ Media that she witnessed the woman and Herman Cain break away from the large group as part of a smaller group.
Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Cain’s residence, but several days after the alleged incident, the female source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace “distraught.” “She was very upset.”
One source told PJ Media: “Some people didn’t believe [the accuser]” at the time she made the allegation. The female source recalls the woman continued working at the NRA for several weeks after the encounter; the male source recalls the woman continued working there for a few months.
Both sources claim that during this period following the incident while the woman was still employed, the NRA’s human resources office held many “closed door meetings” that included her. The woman’s parents retained legal counsel and arranged an undisclosed financial settlement.
Today, the NRA is expected to meet with attorney Joel P. Bennett, who represents one of the women who have made claims against Mr. Cain. Bennett has stated he wants the NRA to terminate a confidentiality provision which bars his client from revealing the grounds for the settlement:
[The NRA] ought to waive the confidentiality and non-disparagement provisions and let the two women, if they choose to do so, come forward and tell their stories so that it can get a complete public airing.
Mr. Cain has steadfastly denied that he harassed any female employees at the National Restaurant Association when he was president. He originally said any allegations of his harassment of women are “totally baseless and totally false.”
(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)
Roger L. Simon contributed to this story in Los Angeles, and David Steinberg contributed to this story in New York.
“Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up in his bed.”
That’s not sexual harassment, that’s rape. If this was a rape allegation the Politico would have labeled it as a rape allegation (far more damaging than a “sexual harassment” charge which can be as simple as calling a female co-worker “sweety”).
This story is sounded more and more like a load of crap.
@1: “That’s not sexual harassment, that’s rape.”
You can’t say that on the evidence presented. It could be something as innocent, though stupid, as she was drunk and he let her sleep it off at his place, it could have been consensual, it could have been coerced by the power disparity, which isn’t necessarily rape but is definitional sexual harassment, and if she was too drunk to give knowing consent, it could, note could, be considered rape.
Whatever happened, and something clearly did, it was stupid, really stupid.
So the whore went to Cain’s apartment and decided the next day to shake him down. Yes, he displayed bad judgment. He went to bed with a bimbo. I hope he got checked out for STDs, afterwards.
We have a former president against whom credible charges of forcible rape have been made by a real woman with a face and a name, and the Enemy Press back paged it and vilified her. We have a former president against whom credible charges of sexual assault have been made by a real woman with a face and a name, and the Enemy Press back paged it and vilified her. We have a former president who had so many bimbos falling out of trees on him, that the term “Bimbo Eruption” became a household phrase, and the Enemy Press back paged it and vilified them.
So let it be with this whore. Send her back to her street corner.
I don’t care if Cain has a closet full of corpses. In this political climate, it means nothing.
Thank you, Manny, for providing such a clear example of why these women are reluctant to come forward openly. I plan to link to this comment on other threads, just because it so perfectly demonstrates the point.
Your opinions, primitive though they are, would be shared by many who fail to understand the coercive nature of sexual propositions made by a superior to a subordinate. Add in the passions of a presidential campaign, where people become irrationally attached to a candidate and reflexively attack anyone who does not agree with them, and their reasons for concern are multiplied (justifiably) by an order of magnitude.
Again, many thanks.
Whether we support Cain or not, whether we believe the allegations or Cain’s denial, I’ll guarantee you that everybody posting here, except maybe you, believes that if Cain had not run away from the Plantation and was a Democrat running for President the whole NOW/Democrat/Progressive meme if the story were mentioned at all would be that it was a personal matter between Cain and the woman, and if necessary Soros or some Democrat front would give her a nice cushy no-show job to make sure that stayed her story. And if they couldn’t contain her that way, the whole Left and their media running dogs would make that poor woman into the Whore of Babylon. We’ve seen the movie before.
And to up your ante, let me point out for people who absolutely won’t believe the accusation unless they have a face and a name to the woman just for starters, how did that work out for Anita Hill? I was so amazed recently to find out she was Michele Bachmann’s former professor at Oral Roberts University, that bastion of leftist women who are obviously only out to smear some conservative candidate. Give me a break! These women have a ton of reasons not to say a word, even to report it back when it happened.
You are the primitive one. What the heck is she doing going back to a man’s apartment at night if not for sex? Grow up. Wake up. Snap out of your reveries.
My guess is his accuser is black and can’t stand the idea of a black conservative doing so well. She is a Federal employee (most likely doing nothing useful)and they till liberal. So destroy Cain by any means at your disposal.
Rockingham, we need to slow down and look at the information provided by the article. If she was working for the NRA, a lobbying group dedicated to small government, then she was neither a federal employee or a liberal.
You believed the Duke Lacrosse accuser too, right…because women ALWAYS tell the truth. Oh yeah, she went on to burn down her house with her 3 kids inside in 2010 & MURDERED her latest “boyfriend” in April 2011.
rockingham: You are the primitive one. What the heck is she doing going back to a man’s apartment at night if not for sex? Grow up. Wake up. Snap out of your reveries.
Talk about primitivity! Contrary to what apparently passes for conventional wisdom in rockinghamville, men and women today enjoy an entire range of relationships–even in a man’s apartment at night–many of which have nothing to do with sex. Perhaps you should grow up and wake up.
That being said, any woman should seriously consider the possible ramifications of going with her married boss to his apartment at any time of the day or night. A woman’s reputation is her responsibility.
Times have changed, sweetie. We are now in the era of Edwin Edwards, who said the only thing that could stop his re-election is finding a live boy or a dead girl in his bed. Your side changed the rules.
Speaking as a 48 year old woman, I can honestly say that yes I have been propositioned but the men in question always seemed to grasp the meaning of the word “No”. Being asked out by someone you’re not interested in is in no way a crime nor is it worthy of a payout even if that person is your boss.
Some women need to grow the hell up and stop making the rest of us look like shrieking harpies. We are not children and we don’t need anyone protecting our “delicate sensibilities”.
TerryH you are a moron. This story is a load of crap. The libs are running scared of a conservictive black man and are doing their best to smear him like they did Clarence Thomas. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, fool.
As a women who gre up in the really, re4ally sexist 60s, 70s and 80s, I can assure you that, if she went with him in the taxi, she was not coerced.
On the other hand, if he offered her a lift home in his car and she accepted, then he detoured, is could be harassment.
But really, what do they teach women these days?
- Rape with violence? call the police, go to hospital, get everything documented, clobber the guy.
- Taking advantage of your naivety? a good kick in the shins, followed by “whoops, reflex, must have been your suggestion” usually help the situation.
- If the guy is really drunk try: “Have you any idea what a rape charge with do to your political creditability?”
Yes, I know, he was a powerful man, her boss etc., but the suffragettes had it worse, didn’t stop them from fighting back.
Let me get this straight – anytime a woman has sex with a man in a position of power its harassment? And I suppose women never lie?? How soon we forget about Dominique Strauss-Kahn and how a lying, money hungry ho and the mainstreet media destroyed him.
Allow me to paint a scenario – SHE went to HIS apartment, SHE had regrets about going to his apartment, she later decided that HE took advantage of HER.
Why is it that woman maintain this double standard that MEN in positions of power take advantage of THEM? One could just as easily argue that young, attractive women use their youth and beauty to take advantage of these same men.
Its ironic that so many of these woman who have been “violated” end up with cash settlements…
I have no idea whether Cain did something improper. But I believe that if someone does something improper or illegal the victim should act immediately. You do not wait a dozen years and then make charges through an attorney while hiding your identity. What if I decide to now accuse Obama of having raped me 20 years ago? How much credence will the mainstream media give to my story?
Anyone can make up anything years later, in an effort to destroy a political opponent.
“He went to bed with a bimbo.” omg. these comments are awesome. way to make decisions based on facts.
Whore? Bimbo? STD’s? You sound like you have an unhealthy obsession of bitterness towards women. Let the women speak about the settlement and we’ll see who is lying.
Allowing the women to speak doesn’t mean they will tell the truth. I know that if this happened to me personally, I would have gone against the company hard and I’d be set up for life… but no, these women took a quick cash pay out and that is why I think it isn’t anything other than to bury a candidate. A headline drives an idea whether or not it is true. Unfortunately, the best person for the job, Herman Cain, will be destroyed by this – even if it is baseless. The damage has already been done. And, this folks is why our country is doomed to fail. Citizens have no choice… the election will be between Romney and Obama… and they are one in the same.
LOGIC should prevail. Here is a detail “walk through” of the issue:
Don’t DeTrain the Cain Just Yet ~ An answer to @JimmieBJr\`s great blog | PolitiJim\`s Rants for Reasonable People | http://t.co/ivSy0Er
Where is anything said about a sexual relationship between Mr. Cain and this woman . . . spending the night at another’s residence doesn’t = sexual relationship. Don’t make judgments based on something less than facts.
Uh… if there was no sex, no attempt at sex, or no allegation of sex, what were all the meetings about in the aftermath?
Mannie, Your post is disgusting.
Thank God I don’t have conservative values.
Then, just what values do you have?
Thank God I don’t have liberal values where they discourage women from reporting sexual assault to the police because they’d rather have some homegrown committee in a tent smack the criminal’s hand and then talk about their feelings.
As a Democrat I resnt these attacks on Herman Cain. I eagerly endorse him as the Republican nominee and look forward to a spirited campaign in the Fall.
Shouldn’t you be off chanting “Peaceful Protest” someplace as your fellow Democrats riot in the streets?
How many people were raped at OWS protests today?
Ah Manny, why so bitter? No one wants to spend time in your enlightened, sophisticated company?
I have not made up my mind yet whether Cain did something wrong or not. But Manny, I have made up my mind about you. Your choice of language to describe the accuser is deplorable. Maybe it is as you think; maybe it isn’t. But your choice of terms shows poor judgment.
you are wrong. even if it is true, it would be prostitution and nothing more than that since she accepted money for it.
Correct on outcome. Probably incorrect on intent. And that is where there could be a big problem for Mr. Herman Cain. Prostitutes are usually willing participants and that is how they get the slang identity.
So Mannie, in a “He Said, She Said” you have already taken Cains side and declared the Girl “GUILTY”. Your multiple references to her Bad character are damning. So much for due process.
“I hope he got checked out for STDs, afterwards.”
“So let it be with this whore. Send her back to her street corner.”
You are just as guilty of false accusations as the Morons working for Politico that “Broke” this “Story” Have you got information backing up your allegations of her being an “STD riddled Whore”? Didn’t think. Our Law is INNOCENCE until proven guilty.
Now the best thing to do, is Cain to allow it to be brought out in the open and clear the air. Tell HIS side of the story.
The process of Vetting a Candidate involves checking his/her character and background. Except when you are a Demonrat. Yes you Barry.
What if, when the “whores’” identity is disclosed, she turns out to be your mom?
Stupid necessarily only in hindsight in the context of running for president.
No, stupid in the context of being a man in a powerful position, especially in a powerful position in or associated with government and poltics. If you’re not a Democrat, you have to be Caesar’s Wife; you don’t travel with your female subordinates, you don’t have drinks or dinner with just one female subordinate, and you are NEVER alone with a female subordinate. You’re in fact far better off if you’re coldly aloof to your female subordinates. And if you don’t know and follow those rules, you’re stupid.
Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up.
A very important piece here. Some are making the assumption she woke up in Cain’s bed. That’s not mentioned here.
Here’s how they put it in Boston, I’ll let Howie Carr tell the story:
Q: Thanks for having me over, I’ll start with a “Larry King softball”, I noticed there is no beer in your fridge, do you drink at all?
HC: Very little. Just a little wine or champagne for a toast, or maybe a sip or two of beer. (“Hi neighbor, have a ‘Gansett!”) When I was a young reporter at City Hall, a councilor (not Dapper) once told me, “Here’s how it works, kid. If they see you twice with a woman, you’re screwing her. If they see you twice with a guy, you’re gay. If they see you twice with a drink, you’re a drunk.”
Ever since he told me that, I try to travel alone… and dry.
http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/Howie_Carr_(1068924)_AuthorInterview(1).aspx
And *that’s* the lesson of Caesar’s Wife. Good call Art Chance.
Absolutely, Art! There’s a Christian preacher of national repute (and I’m sorry I don’t remember which one) whose first iron-clad rule is to never be alone with a female to whom he’s not related. This of course would have certain drawbacks for a minister since he would not be able to counsel women in private, but all things considered, it’s most certainly for the best.
If you’re not a Democrat, you have to be Caesar’s Wife; you don’t travel with your female subordinates, you don’t have drinks or dinner with just one female subordinate, and you are NEVER alone with a female subordinate. You’re in fact far better off if you’re coldly aloof to your female subordinates. And if you don’t know and follow those rules, you’re stupid.
No wonder there are so many Democratic politicians.
Well, I can’t say I always followed my own rules, but I knew them and knew when I was bending or breaking them and I made it to retirement without a scandal or a headline. But, then, I’m not planning to run for anything either.
You hit the nail on the head. Mr. Cain knows who he is…I wonder why people with these kinds of things in their backgrounds even run for office…stuff always comes out. A young U of M football player once stated in an interview, “I want to live my life so that if I ever decide to run for president, I won’t have anything to be afraid of”….I never forgot that. Great advice.
http://butler-harris.org/archives/319
This is the most shoddy reportage, worthy only of Kos and the MFM. The word “allegedly” is here a lot as well as eyewitnesses who saw things that were later retracted.
PJ Media is trying to manufacture some sort of a scoop. The truth will come out eventually but this is just absolute crap. And if there was some sort of rape or assault the Politico and the Times and WaPo would have jumped on that from the start. Gestures, innuendo and second-hand sources.
Again. PJ Media – you guys are really sinking low.
“Allegedly” is the proper term for everything reported here. It isn’t a word meant to imply or impugn. It is simply the correct cautionary approach under the circumstances.
Totally agree J.J. The entire incident is crap and should have never been published for the Soap Opera loving American readers. Get a job people. Do some good people. Build something instead of sitting on your butt trying to find fault with others.
Sort of like you do?
“Whatever happened, and something clearly did, it was stupid, really stupid.”
It is not clear at all that something happened
The article as written is implying a rape. That something did in fact happen without stating what happened. This is slimmy. Are you still beating your wife?
“Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Cain’s residence, but several days after the alleged incident, the female source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace “distraught.” “She was very upset.”
What was she “distraught.” and “upset.” about? Could be her dog got run over
Enough happened that the employer was willing to settle. If absolutely nothing happened, if it was a complete fabrication, even a very risk averse employer would try to put up some fight. I’m not saying they wouldn’t settle even over a complete fabrication, but it would have to be cheap and with ironclad non-disclosure.
If Cain had been caught completely flatfooted by the allegation, I could see his fits and starts, but Politico, Politico for Chrissakes, gave him ten days and he still tried to stonewall and BS his way through this. Past stupid!
Ever heard of a nuisance lawsuit Art? Sometimes litigation ends up costing more that a settlement. The insurance firm that covers this type of litigation is the one that will make the decision about how far to push the case, not Cain and not the NRA. If the insurance company wants to settle but the accused wants to fight it, the insurance company puts a cap on how much they will spend in defense of the accused individual. Cain does not have the option of running up hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation costs when the insurance company can make it go away for $35k. This is why settlements are not legally considered admissions of guilt. Your position is irrational.
So no, just because the settlement happened, doesn’t mean there was bad conduct. Do you realize that the person an NDA is meant to protect the most is the accuser. It’s designed to hide from future potential employers the fact that she brought a complaint so that risk does not factor into a hiring decision.
$35,000 is peanuts. Businesses frequently pay sums like that to get rid of nuisance claims and lousy employees. They know darn well that even if the company was guilty of nothing the wring jury can cost them millions. It’s cheaper to pay off the accusers – who then take the cash and try the scheme all over again at their next place of employment. there are people who make a living with the tactic.
That is not to say that I know whether Cain did or did not do anything improper. But I’ll bet more than a few employees at the business were happy to see Cain’s accuser gone.
First, I comment PJ Media for not revealing the “alleged victim’s” name.
Second, as a woman who has worked her entire adult life in offices that were dominated by men, who were always in the majority, I know from grim, memorable personal experience that sexual harassment exists in the workplace. Always has and always will.
That said, I find nothing credible here. Not. One. Word. There is no here here.
Why should I believe an anonymous source? Because he or she is a “conservative”? Give me a break. Anyone can tell you he’s anything. I can tell you I’m Marie Antoinette, but that won’t make me Marie Antoinette.
There is no believable reason you can offer that would persuade me that Herman Cain, with a skeleton as big as the Eiffel Tower lodged in a closet as big as the Ritz, would run for President. He wouldn’t do it. He’s not stupid, nor is he a Gary Hart/John Edwards/Bill Clinton figure who imagines that he’ll never get caught. You don’t get where Herman Cain is today by behaving as “anonymous sources” have said he did. He worked his way up under Jim Crow and segregation and achieved the American Dream.
He would not jeopardize all he has and his integrity if there were any truth to this B.S.
I am a great fan of PJM but this is not credible.
There is no evidence, moron! There is only innuendo. And as the several corrections at the end of the article above show, this story has been inflated to become the narrative that Mr. Cain’s opposition wants it to be, rather than the truth. This story has zero credibility until every single one of these accusers steps forward into the public spotlight and submits their allegations to public, and perhaps legal, scrutiny. This whole notion that women involved in some sort of HR claim against a man are innocent until proven guilty does not square with reality. We women seem to be naturally drawn to find a powerful man to shake down and will do ANYTHING to make it happen. Just look at the pregnant pedophile this week who is trying to shake Justin Bieber down. Talk to any NFL or NBA player and they’ll tell you endless stories about women who slut it up with them nightly trying to snag a new multi-million dollar baby daddy.
Not for a minute to I believe these allegations and I really hope that Herman Cain sues Politico corporately and each of the reporters personally who have a byline on any of these scurrilous stories.
Getting into a taxi and waking up in somebody’s bed is rape? WTF are you talking about?
Thank You. I was waiting for someone to notice!
By the way, Herman Himself brought up the third woman, the media didn’t even know about her until he mentioned it a few days ago.
She ‘s the one he remembered, and she didn’t receive any settlement, as he stated.
Let me point out a few things here.
Note the correction to the article. She was NOT alleged to have awakened in his bed, but only in his apartment.
At the time when this happened, Cain had no idea that he would ever be in politics. Image management wasn’t a high priority for him; turning around a failing restaurant chain was. Believe me when I tell you that people in the restaurant business don’t worry a whole lot about what anybody else thinks about their personal lives. “There’s no such thing as a sober cook or a happily married waitress.” Read Anthony Bourdain if you have any doubts about that.
She very likely had gotten drunk and was in no condition to drive anywhere, much less remember anything. She was probably sleeping it off on a couch or the like. Cain should have let her find her own way home.
Here’s one more reason why I will never, EVER be a feminist: [LINK]
Actually, you’re mistaken, Cain did have plans for Politics:
In 1998 the GOP wanted him to run for NE Senate, he said no due his Liberal stances on social issues (below) and supported the Democrat Ben Nelson instead. Yes, that Ben Nelson. The one that was the deciding vote on Obamacare.
From the December 14, 1998 edition of the Omaha World Herald:
“As far as me not running for Senate [in Nebraska], it’s a final decision,” Cain said Sunday. “But I am giving some consideration to running for the presidency [in 2000]. I probably will make my mind up by the middle of next year.”
In 1998: From the October 5, 1998 edition of Nation’s Restaurant News,truly remarkable statements by Cain:
“The notion [to run for U.S. Senate in Nebraska] is a rush,” Cain admitted. ‘It’s a very prestigious thing to conceive. But my motivation for running for Senate was not for the stature of being a senator, but because I wanted to make a difference on issues I feel passionate about.’
“After meeting with political consultants and past and present senators, Cain said he had determined that while he has very strong and distinct opinions about business-related matters, he is less clear-cut in his stances on social issues and was not ready to appease voters by taking stands on those issues.
“‘Too many people in the electorate are single-issue voters,’ he commented, ‘and to try and cater to the single-issue voters and the single-issue pockets out there felt like I was compromising my beliefs. As an example, with the pro-life and pro-abortion debate, the most vocal people are on the ends. I am pro-life with exceptions, and people want you to be all or nothing.’
[Cain added] “I am not a social-issue crusader. I am a free-enterprise crusader.”
In 1999, he said he was running President (It was a rush to run for a Senate seat but not for President?) but he stated he was not going to fall in to the “GOP mythical platforms” such as on school vouchers and affirmative action. He refused to give his stance on abortion.
Cain ran for President in 2000. He dropped out. When questioned about his sincerity to actually win, Cain stated he was in it to make political statements, not to win the nomination. He said Bush was too conservative so not only did he support the more Liberal candidate, he went to work for him as his co-chair against Bush.
I stand corrected in that regard.
In any event, it certainly seems that Mr. Cain has become more conservative since then, as have many other Americans.
Oh, and by the way…
Who is behind the high-tech lynching of Herman Cain?
im sorry if you were raped you would file criminal charges not take 35,000
So the only women who have been raped are those who filed charges, according to your theory, eh?
Let’s ask the Duke lacrosse team what they think.
let’s ask millions of women what they think.
I am a woman – and a happily married senior citizen, thankyouverymuch.
Any woman who refuses to provide evidence and file a police report is either a shameful coward who cares nothing about her rapist’s future victims, or a liar, plain and simple.
There is a very good reason why the Ten Commandments forbids bearing false witness. Allowing people to get away with lying in court tears away at the very fabric of society.
I agree, if rape is claimed and then you take money, it does raise a flag and is suspicious. Either way, she herself turned it into something else by taking money…
Something far worse than an honest whore, who at least gives something in return for money, and goes away and keeps her mouth shut afterward.
There is a certain word that all adults know, that we are not allowed to use any more, that is still far too mild to describe females like this.
Women who do what she did should be put on the sex offenders list for life.
If they’re talking about the same 2 original women, this story has shifted ten million times more than Cain’s supposed “discrepancies” (which could be explained as easily as that in the morning he didn’t know the details of the settlement or what he was allowed to say and by evening he had asked and learned the details and what he could legally say). But this has gone from a woman supposedly claiming that a non-sexual gesture made her feel uncomfortable… to a guy saying he was at the restaurant and saw this terrible thing that happened AT THE RESTAURANT … to a woman saying she was asked to go home with him but she refused… to a man and woman (political players, probably, since they were in the governmental department at the NRA) claiming that a woman claimed that she was “taken advantage of” (basically raped) after going in a taxi with Cain to his home…
If this was a court of law all these supposed witnesses would be laughed out of court because they can’t get a story straight. And this is even when they are able to collaborate to come up with a consistent story. Seems to me that the reason they aren’t coming up with a coherent claim is because they’re trying to throw whatever doo-doo they can think of at Cain, to see if any of it sticks. Whenever the current claim doesn’t stick, they make the claim something worse. Before it’s done it will be anonymously claimed that Cain fathered multiple children with multiple women and murdered their boyfriends. lol.
Sounds like a lot of these “sources” are politically connected to the incestuous city of DC, and have ties with either Cain’s Republican rivals or with the democrats.
The story here is not Cain at all. The story is how gullible these people really think we are, that we would believe anonymous ever-shifting stories given by political operatives against a guy whose reputation (until he became a serious presidential candidate) has been spotless. Sad thing is there will be people who believe without any evidence. When the “witnesses” heard the woman’s lawyer say that he doesn’t have the original records and that the deal was probably worked out through phone or fax because there’s nothing written down, the political operatives knew it was going to be a he said/she said, hearsay-type deal so they knew they could try to make hay out of it. So they have come out of the woodwork, like cockroaches.
And if we’re stupid enough to believe them, then we deserve everything we get.
Consider the unhindered expansion of U.S. Federal gov bureaucracy since the Income Tax was instituted in 1913. In the one-hundred years since, tho many have tried, Herman Cain is the only candidate for President who has gotten genuine heft with TAX REFORM as a campaign centerpiece. How much Liberty would be set free when 82,000 pages of corrupt tax law are thrown out? If you were a well-connected political professional what would you do? Embrace reform or fight for the status-quo?
If this story is true (and that’s a big if right now), then I am not prepared to put a creep in office because he knows how to fix a broken system. Let’s try to get someone a bit more moral than Bill Clinton up there.
I’m thinking there’s no evidence he’s a creep.
Your points are well-taken. However, there’s someone else here who can’t seem to get his story(ies) straight: Herman Cain. To feign no memory or knowledge of the particulars of these incidents does not reflect well on either the man or the candidate for president. It’s simply not believable.
The Cain campaign knew for over a week that this was going to hit the fan. They should have come out ahead of it. Failing that, they should have been prepared to meet it head on. Instead, they flailed about and instead of just giving us the straight dope and, hopefully, putting the issue to rest, they distracted us with accusations of high-tech lynchings and finger-pointing at other campaigns. Unfortunately, this is typical of the Cain campaign. They are so not ready for this level of play. In the general election campaign, the Obama-Chicago machine will cut them to ribbons.
They’ve been acutely aware of this issue since 2004. But now he’s surprised? Blind-sided? Set up? Give me a break.
It’s like “discovering” Iran is not our closest ally. These guys must be idiots.
I don’t know what happened between Cain and the woman/women. To me, it no longer matters. Cain & Co. clearly lack the ability to manage complex challenges at a personal level. Let’s not even broach the topic of national and international issues.
He seems to be channeling Slick Willy, but he’s the wrong party and this is the wrong issue over which to go down in flames.
From the LA Times – not what you’d call a bastion of conservatism:
“Cain is not a party to the agreement, Bennett said, meaning that he would only need the consent of the association in order for the statement to be released.
“Mr. Cain was not a signatory to the settlement agreement therefore he would have no standing one way or another” on whether the statement could be released, Bennett said.”
As the blog: ProteinWisdom.com further notes:
“We learned today from the LAT that, as many of us had been speculating — and I as spent last evening explaining to one painfully obtuse Perry supporter — Cain was not a party to the agreement and would not have ever known of any of the charges leveled against him once he recused himself.
To this day, Cain has not been made privy to what he’s alleged to have done, which is why it’s been very difficult for him to try to answer questions. His interview on Greta, therefore, was his answering what he could as honestly as he could based on what he knew.
Also, we’ve learned that severance packages are not the same as settlements, are quite common, and that Cain was correct in his initial claim that he didn’t know of any settlements for sexual harassment claims.”
We need to stop starting out with the assumption that there is anything to any rumor reported in the media.
In that case, Mike, he shouldn’t have babbled on about hand gestures and his wife’s height and speculation about matters of which he had no knowledge. How about a simple statement along the lines of:
I have never sexually harassed anyone, not an employee, not a coworker, not any individual at any time in any place. While I was employed by the NRA, a female subordinate lodged a complaint the particulars of which are unknown to me. I recused myself from the investigation of the matter and to this day I do not know the nature of the complaint, the disposition of the complaint or the details of any financial settlement if indeed any was made. The complaintant subsequently separated from the company and my understanding was that the compensation she received was in the nature of a severance package. In any event, I repeat, I have never sexually harassed anyone.
I find this business about not even knowing the nature of the complaint a little strange. Surely the NRA would have wanted a statement from Cain about the alleged incident. I suppose it’s possible that whatever it was, it couldn’t possibly be construed by a reasonable person to constitute sexual harassment of any kind and they didn’t care what Herman had to say. Still, it’s odd.
It’s rape anytime a woman comes home with you and spends the night? Are you kidding me? I didn’t see in there that she didn’t consent. I didn’t read that they had sex or even fooled around. Maybe they did and she regretted it. Maybe she was distraught because she let herself get carried away. Quit jumping to conclusions.
It seems you have jumped to a conclusion or two yourself. Let’s just see what happens. If Herman Cain is being smeared, we will all know it soon enough and we will all be glad the Dems can’t launch this one next Halloween. If the truth hurts him, then we are still glad the Dems can’t launch this one next Halloween. We still get several months to choose our guy. The Dems are already stuck with theirs.
Is there any allegation that *anything* nonconsenual took place?
It’s possible that I missed something, but all I’ve seen so far amounts to ‘someone may have done something they regretted in the morning’.
The article doesn’t say that she woke up in his bed, just that she spent the night and woke up.
I’m more confused them ever about what he’s supposed to have done wrong.
I have females friends that come back to my place after drinking and fall asleep in my bed so they don’t drive drunk and kill someone or themselves. Me and my dog share the couch. Does this all mean I’m a rapist?
And if so, where do I turn myself in?
Nick, I’m not a drinker, but if I were I’d love to have you as my friend. Well said, and well done!
TO the Office of Poor Analogies and Worse Logic.
No, but your female friends have never had to be bought off either, I betcha. If this is what Herman Cain did for this girl, why wasn’t she as grateful as your female friends? I’m just saying.
She got a “5-figure settlement”, which is what I originally read elsewhere. It was also said that the typical “severance pay when an employee were to leave on good terms” was about that much.
So, perhaps after her attempts at stirring up trouble was a decision not to fire her, but to get rid of a nuisance, offer her a chance to be fired or a chance to take a severance package and walk away with a gag order.
Maybe she took the second option. If this is the case, then perhaps she knew this was a better deal because if she went to court with it she’d end up with nothing because the baseless accusations wouldn’t have held water.
Maybe the NRA decided that “settling” this was cheaper than having to have Herman testify in court.
I’m only speculating, but so are the rest of you. None of us can do much more than speculate. Those who think that agreeing to pay a “settlement” is proof of guilt are idiots. Those who think that a woman accepting a “settlement” is proof that her allegations are false are idiots.
We have nothing more than allegations at this point. No eye witnesses that she went home with him, right? And the allegations are only that she “woke up at his apartment”. Sometimes waking up in someone’s apartment means little more than you slept in that person’s apartment.
Somebody here have DNA evidence or an admission of guilt? Until then… speculation is cheap.
This business of “anonymous accusers” has got to stop. If women are accusing Cain then they must be brave enough to publicly endure the seriousness of their allegations and come forward. Last I heard, after all she endured, Anita Hill survived and thrived!
I agree. It’s either a crime or it is not. This whole “It was horrible but I’ll take a cash settlement to make it all go away” bullsh!t has got to stop.
And then, seeking more blackmail cash, they collude with Politico to “anonymously” break their contractual obligations, smear Cain and then declare that they won’t come public because they don’t want the relentless media attention.
So if you don’t want the attention and wringing more cash out of your horrible, unproven experience isn’t the point, then honor the agreement to which you are legally bound and shut the ^&%$ up.
Anita Hill thrived because she lied in public about a black conservative, another one who left the liberal plantation, in an attempt to destroy him.
By the way, anybody recall how eagerly the state-run media pursued the Breck Girl and his love-child and the use of campaign funds to cover it up?
That’s not rape, that’s a one night stand!
“Correction” “Correction” “Correction”
You report non-facts and then make “corrections’ later.
lol yeah we are to believe anything written here or anywhere else.
Not if we don’t want to.
First, thank you, PJ Media, for not releasing the alleged “victim’s” name.
Second, I find nothing here to change my high opinion of Mr. Cain. Nothing. And I write as a woman who spent her entire adult life working in offices with men who hit on me during the decades before there even were sexual harassment laws. It was every woman for herself, and it wasn’t easy. In both senses of the word it was, in fact, hard.
So it’s not that I don’t believe sexual harassment takes place, and I certainly don’t believe that women who experience it are “asking for it.” They’re only “asking for it” by having been born with a vagina, something over which they had no control.
But there’s no here here. I have no way of judging the credibility of the “sources.” The alleged “fact” that they’re conservatives tells me zip. It doesn’t even tell me that they are conservatives. It only tells me that someone has said they are. Yes, and, BTW, I’m Marie Antoinette.
Ms. Meagher, this is the best comment in the stream. I thought highly of Mr. Cain before, and I still do. As for “there is no here here,” I agree. There is so little information in the accusations. If my mind is to be changed, I will need more than what has been in the press.
Incidentally, you say the same thing my mother said about working in offices around men.
Thank you! I too dealt with sexual harrassment in my earlier years in the work place. You know what I did? I told them to leave me alone, publicly, in front of the other employees. In short, I acted like a big girl and handled it.
Yet, all too often I watched as women openly welcomed compliments from men at work and laughed at their dirty jokes – unless they weren’t interested in the guy. Then suddenly it was “sexual harrassment”.
So frankly, I’m not concerned with some person or persons who alledge that some unkown activity occurred sometime before 12 years ago.
Glad to meet you. I’m King George and the Queen of Spain.
Now in this thread we’ve got women telling stories about working around men and getting hit on all the time. Shocking… Isn’t it… Men… hitting on women… who in the world would think that it would come to this!
Anwyay, when I worked at the management levels in the corporate restaurant business, I was a first-hand witness to a handful of women in an office of about 70 people who, at first, I found to be very attractive and seemingly very sweet… at first. After working there for a while, I noticed that their conversations and interactions with other women and guys that made less than six figures were usually business like and professional. But to those guys in charge, they seemed to put a lot of charm on.
OK… they were ass-kissers trying to make their way up the corporate ladder.
Then there were the happy hours and other nights out where there was a decent amount of alcohol consumed.
Then I witnessed these same women turn into something entirely different. There were the married VP or director level guys. Most of them married… a few of them heavy drinkers, cocky and arrogant and drove expensive sports cars. I watched one of these charming, attractive women turned into seduction overdrive mode. After a few drinks, they lost their ability to even say hello as they walked by a group of “worker-bees”. In the office a polite “Hey guys, how’s it going,” would have been the norm. Now we became invisible, as she targeted the rich, married exec who was being loosened up by alcohol. She hung all over him, putting her hands on him, the rest of us looking on in disbelief. It wasn’t even subtle.
If this guy wasn’t screwing her, good for him. If he was screwing her… it was an abuse of power all right… The power of a seductress doing her work on a drunk superior.
This has nothing to do with Herman Cain and his accusers. Every situation is different. But to the women talking about how they were hit on in an office, there are the guys who are hit on by women, and there are the hussies that go after the rich guy who’s married with kids. They are drawn to the guys with the big bucks. Whether they just want to be a mistress that gets special favors and gifts as they climb their way to the top, or they are hoping to latch onto an opportunity to turn the story around and claim sexual harrassment, I don’t know.
But after witnessing this woman doing her thing, I never thought of her in the same way again. Her physical attractiveness was negated by her ugly, whore-like behavior.
I love how the corrections at the end change the entire story.. Hey PJM computers let you edit text when you make a mistake. FIX IT our you are part of the slime. Waking up in an apartment and a bed are very different. And I am sorry lets say the worst thing indicated happened. TWO adults both drank and both ended up in a compromising situation.
The Herman Cain we see is more of the guy that lets someone sleep it off at his place where she is safe. vs take advantage of someone.
But if you drink so much you have no clue what happened, whose fault is that?
+1. Exactly.
It’s almost as if Pajamas Media recently changed it’s name to MSNBC.
Its not rape according to the facts presented above. I don’t believe it in the first place. Let them come forward and speak and we can judge them on their credibility
Well, according to Rush, the original story has been changed to a lot of allegedlies because the anonymous witnesses or whatever who apparently changed even the witnessing getting into cab….and to “waking up in apartment” (not bed)….and that “at the time” the accuser wasn’t believed.
In all of these events there apparently were not witnesses so, with the “permission” for the various complaintants to “speak out”, anything could now be stated without witnesses to back up. No one personally is coming forward themselves…how convenient. And how convenient for those who whine about Cain not coming out with more information to be also able to whine about him breaking the confidential agreement if he does.
Silliness….after decades with nothing relating to deal made as being not satisfactory nor any personal lawsuits….with no concrete foundation established. Hindsight is even 20/20 when it’s without witnesses!!
Hold your breath for the next overexcited reporter trying to get the next infinitisimal tidbit “allegedly”.
Politico provided nothing in specifics to complaints made to Cain’s campaign when requested. Cain himself was not privy to confidential agreement under seal so he would only be dependent upon gradual briefings by atty at the time, vague memories, etc. He doesn’t have all the information and wasn’t privy to getting it. They know it and will take advantage of the “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” scenario. Sooooo….who honestly knows anything more?????
Meanwhile for years the accuser/s of Obama (as were for Clinton) have been ready and willing to tell their extremely pertinent story/s and this same brave new media won’t touch it with a ten foot pole.:
“UN-Anonymous Source Says He Gave Obama A Blowjob And Did Cocaine With Him”
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/un-anonymous-source-says-he-gave-obama.html
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Gov’s own e-verify says Obama and SSN he’s used is no match!!:
“E-Verify ‘flags’ Obama’s Social Security Number
System crunches prez’s data, determines ‘likely fraudulent’”
Read more: E-Verify ‘flags’ Obama’s Social Security Number http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=344461#ixzz1cfYfbjNH
If this was a rape committed in Cain’s apartment, not in the workplace, the accuser wouldn’t have cause to bring suit against the NRA thus requiring the organization to settle. For instance, if the fry cook from MacDonalds rapes the cute cashier in his apartment, the cashier doesn’t get to sue the restaurant because they both happen to work there. The event didn’t happen on their premises and it would be criminal conduct committed outside his official capacity as the MacDonalds fry guy.
So I doubt this was a rape. If these were the allegations and she did say it happened in his private apartment *after* a sponsored function, the easy way out for the NRA would have been to wash their hands of Cain and the financial responsibility. No one wants that kind of bad press or to be associates with covering up a felony sexual assault. You would have to suspend an awful lot of disbelief to think that not a single person in the NRA would voice the negatives of being associated with sweeping a rape under the rug.
And another thing, these organizations carry insurance that is designed to cover legal costs of litigation when an accuser brings charges of sexual harassment. If there was the possibility that Cain raped this girl in his apartment, away from work and his official capacity as president of the NRA, in all likelihood the insurance would not have covered it stating that their corporate policy does not cover conduct outside of Cain’s official capacity as NRA president, off of the NRA premises or away from organized NRA events. I have utmost faith in the knowledge that, if an insurance company can find a way to not pay a return on premiums, they’ll weasel out of it every time(which I don’t fault them for). The fact that the NRA *did* settle suggests to me that there was no weasel room and that the event described above is not exactly what transpired. The only possible connection I can come up with is if Cain was (insistently) pouring drinks into this girl at the dinner function for the purpose of getting her intoxicated. The problem here is that we end back up with an issue of consent (or lack of) and that means rape. And remember, no one is claiming rape.
I’m curious if the NRA has a fraternization policy. If something did happen, I suspect there was alcohol involved, some regret the day after and followed by a few uncomfortable work weeks. If there was sex, one “partner” probably tried to advance the relationship and the other just wanted it to go away and suddenly, we have basis for a sexual harassment allegation for workplace behavior. Maybe Cain made a suggestive verbal reference to something she had participated in consensually while she was trying to forget that she was fooling enough to let it happen. That, along with some kind of fraternization policy would most likely lead to exactly the kind of settlement we all know was paid out. Anything more serious than that and I have to believe the woman’s attorney would have looked out for the best interest of his client and not accepted a $35k settlement (of which Bennett got how much?). This wasn’t a slam dunk case so the attorney likely advised the client to take the quick cash. Consider the alternative…if something really bad happened then Bennett is the shittiest of shitty lawyers! Bennett took a “slip and fall” payday because he knew he had no real case and pressing litigation would have exposed his client to deposition where she might not come out looking so clean.
A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing. At typical lawyer rates, about 40% of $35k to make allegations go away is a tidy win for the lawyer.
I’m not saying that nothing happened. I’m saying that, based on what we do know about the type of settlement, we can somewhat extrapolate a situation whose severity aligns with the consequences. I’m an engineer officer currently in Kandahar, Afghanistan. I do route clearance. For those of you who don’t know what that is, it means we get in special armored vehicles and try to find the roadside bombs…on purpose. Why does that matter in this discussion? Well, when we find an IED “the hard way”, during post blast analysis, we can look at the diameter and depth of the blast crater and figure out roughly how big the bomb was. That NRA settlement is our “blast crater.” When I look at the Cain situation, a bomb definitely went off, but it’s pretty damn small one.
Good post.
50 million things could have happened here. Prurient speculation is all the media’s got at this point.
Be safe and get your soldiers home. I love route clearance teams. It is the one convoy you never pass.
I agree with your analysis. The prize is too small for anything serious. Rape is a felony, not a small settlement.
God Bless you and your family for your service.
” For instance, if the fry cook from MacDonalds rapes the cute cashier in his apartment, the cashier doesn’t get to sue the restaurant because they both happen to work there. The event didn’t happen on their premises and it would be criminal conduct committed outside his official capacity as the MacDonalds fry guy.”
Everything is simple when you don’t know enough!
If the Fried Foods Supervisor” is the leadworker or supervisor on the cashier’s shift and he hooks up with her at a bar after work and takes her to bed, tomorrow’s story is she believed she had no choice but to sleep with him because he controls how many hours she gets and writes her evaluations. He and MacDonalds are dead meat for a sexual harassment suit. MacDonalds and almost any other deep pockets employer would settle that complaint or suit for anything less than or close to the cost of defending themselves for the complainant’s agreement to shut up and go away.
On the facts as asserted, that’s about what you have here: Complainant asserts that Cain propositioned her and she went home with him and had sex with him (or not) because he was the CEO and she felt she had no choice. And it really doesn’t matter if there was sex; if she felt that there was pressure to have sex in the situation, you’ve got enough to get a complaint to a jury. NO, I repeat NO, deep pockets employer wants to go before 12 morons with driver’s licenses with a well-off, powerful executive vs. some poor ditzy little girl, who I’ll guarantee won’t dress for that jury like the tramp she dresses like at work; she’ll be wearing virginal white with high collars, long sleeves and mid-calf skirts for court.
Let me make a few clarifications because I think I left in some ambiguity in my original comment.
First, my comparison of the cashier and “fry guy” was meant to point out specifically that, the fact the organization was a party to the settlement should convince almost everyone that this is not a case of felonious sexual assault. If a felony had been alleged, under the circumstances, the organization would not be responsible for the questionable conduct.
Second, the sexual rendezvous I described is what I consider a worst case scenario if there was actual sex involved. I am not convinced that that there was.
Third, when I made the “bomb crater” comment and said that something happened, the settlement simply proves that the allegation happened, not any misconduct by Cain.
To be totally honest, I don’t see the point of this article since it does not provide us with any additional information, buts a lot more he said, she said.
Here’s what’s bothering me though. If the “sources” for this piece aren’t actually a party to the incident or the settlement/non-disclosure, they should be identified. This anonymous source crap is exactly what’s wrong with journalism these days (and yes, one of my degrees is actually in journalism).
I’ve always help PJ in high regard and I certainly hope this is not a precursor to a downward turn for this site. PJ Media just contributed to the spiral of silence with this lousy piece.
Does anybody besides me remember the story of Potiphar’s wife?
There are women who are evil enough to “cry rape” (or “sexual harassment”) if a man turns them down. And let’s face it, Cain is kinda cute…
I don’t get this story: why are people reacting as if Cain bundled this woman over his shoulder, threw her in the trunk and drove the taxi himself?
Can anyone pronounce the word “chaperone” or the phrase “free will?” What is all this nonsense? Why act like it’s a certainty rufis are involved or that your boss has the power of a concentration camp commandant?
And in what world does a woman take a year’s salary in lieu of filing rape charges?
“Hey lady, I raped you but here’s 35 grand. Don’t file rape charges, okay?”
“Sure, no problem.”
195. Mark
Alternate title for this article:
“How To Piss Away Your Media Organization’s Credibility in One Easy Step”
(This should be at the top so that these idiots:
Roger L. Simon contributed to this story in Los Angeles, and David Steinberg contributed to this story in New York.
Richard Pollock is the Washington, D.C., editor for Pajamas Media and the Washington bureau chief of PJTV.
will understand what they have done.
You couldn’t help it PJM, you just had to screw your reputation.
Man, you just described the majority of the Soros funded liberal media sewage we’re inundated with daily. They’ve pissed away their credibility decades ago in their deliberately misleading & misinforming the American public to advance their own political bias which, coincidentally, runs counterproductive to Americas best interests. What a surprise there, huh?
If I was raped, I seriously doubt if I would be relaxed enough, after what one would think of as a rather upsetting event, to go to sleep.
But I don’t drink myself into unconsciousness so maybe that’s an aspect I didn’t consider.
The only person being raped is Herman Cain, by the likes of blogger Ace of Spades and sham-wow website Politico; before they lynch him.
If Ace of Spades shakes hands with you, count your fingers afterward. If he tells you that two plus two is four, get out your calculator and make sure that it still is four.
Ace of Spades spreads libel about the Serbian people, and bans anybody from the blog who disagrees.
riding in a taxi is ‘rape?’
on what planet?
If we are going where we are going with Mr. Cain perhaps it’s time to expose the many dalliances zero has had with male homosexuals and the use of drugs.If its fair for Cain’s dalliances, if they are even true, to be exposed why wouldn’t it be fair for zeros affairs to come out as well?Both in the same time frame as well. Anyone ever heard of Larry Sinclair?
This woman must have known that Mr. Cain was married, yet she got into a taxi with him to go to his apartment. When I was very young and newly employed, my boss got me up against the wall with his arms keeping me from getting away and said “What would you do if a boy got you like this?” I said, “Well, a man has me like this now and I am not sure what I should do.” He backed away and never again tried to bother me in that way.
Spending a night in an apartment and awakening in someones’ bed does not constitute “rape”. You need to have a Dad and Lad chat with your sire, and have him explain to you the elements of rape.
This isn’t sexual harassment no matter how it’s portrayed here. For it to be sexual harassment, it would have to be implied that her job was somehow dependent on having sex with him.
Nowhere does this account say they had sex. Nowhere does this account state they even touched. A completely plausible reading of this is that she was drunk and he invited her to sleep it off at his place.
All we know from this is that she ALLEGES – remember that – that when she left the party alone, she went to Cain’s apartment, spent the night there (no touching mentioned), and then left, feeling somehow taken advantage of or unhappy.
On the other hand, Kennedy was witnessed making a waitress sandwich, we all know what Bill Clinton did with his cigars, and Jesse Jackson has an illegitimate child he just recently got around to acknowledging. These are facts we KNOW, that are PROVEN.
Did Cain have sex with some chick not his wife? Maybe. We don’t know. Is there proof anywhere that he is a sexual predator of any stripe? Good question. We sure haven’t seen anything definitive. I’m betting when you don’t find hard evidence after a week of the media digging just as hard as it can, there’s no there, there.
Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up. So he forced her into a taxi…must be someone who remembers taking them…and then how did she get home same question. John Edwards never got this amount of attention and their was a baby involved so much for media reporting the truths.
This woman needs to come forward. From this article, it sounds like she was drunk and doesn’t know what happened. Is it possible that she was trashed so he took her to his place to sleep it off? Did he force her into the cab or did she go willingly?
If he denied her a raise because she didn’t sleep with him, then well, its clearly SH; otherwise, it could be a number of things.
The two women not constrained by confidentiality agreements who are anonymously accusing Cain need to step forward. As far as I’m concerned, an anonymous accusation carries absolutely no weight. This is not a SC nomination and will not ever get to the level of Anita Hill.
Irregardless, of the woman’s condition, the President of a company does not take an employee to his place.
Yet Bill Clinton, President of the United States, attacked women in his office, right?
Would you please stop ruining the narrative?
Yes, Bill Clinton preyed on young interns and sexually assaulted unwilling partners in the Oval Office. Yes, Ted Kennedy killed a woman and then tried to cover it up.
But that’s the topic today. Today’s topic is anonymous women with unproven allegations who accepted cash settlements and are now breaking their contractual obligation by colluding with Politico to bring down Herman Cain.
Please try to stay on subject.
Hi Tricia! I’ve seen you all over the web posting against Herman Cain. Nice that you’re so concerned.
The word is “regardless” and does this extend to the Oval Office?
He shouldn’t. But that’s more a modern thing.
Cain grew up in the old South, where you’d practically invite someone to dinner if they just stopped to ask you for directions. It was just that extreme courtesy that they used to have over there.
Is this an exclusive for PJ Media? Just curious.
All of our candidates should be thoroughly vetted. It’s better for the conservative media to do it than the mad dog liberal media, and it’s better to get everything out as early as possible, even if the allegations later prove to be false or without sufficient backing to be believed.
We should go into the general election as confident as we can be that our candidate isn’t harboring any secrets.
It’s ugly, but it will be uglier if it isn’t done now and done by people who aren’t acting out of hatred.
This.
We agree. Cain knew this was coming, he should have made it public himself so he could control the spin.
Exactly. The Cain campaign has handled this extremely poorly. But then, they handle most things poorly. So much so that I question exactly what it is they’re up to. The nomination and presidency have never seemed to me Cain’s principal goals. I feel as though they’ve been caught short by Herman’s unexpected surge.
There are a couple of old sayings going back to long before sexual harassment complaints were making the MB and Lexus payments for the plaintiffs’ bar:
You don’t get your honey where you get your money.
You don’t dip your pen in company ink.
I’m sure ol’ Herman had heard those before, but maybe after a few drinks Mr. Happy was calling the shots. There but for the Grace of God …
herman is a religious man therefore I would think these charges have validity.
You’re ignorant.
Dear Dan,
This is a very interesting point. Can we have a grown-up discussion about this? Can you specify if you think that being religious, he is necessarily prone to violate his faith in matters of sexual morality? I know you will not say that non-religious people are free from sexual dalliance since this would be absurd. Your point is that religious people are as prone to sexual misconduct, but are guilty of hypocrisy. Is it their religion that is responsible, or just that all people fail, but not all pretend to be just?
There appears to be another Jeanette posting. This Jeannette isn’t me. Jeanette, welcome to pjmedia.
Nothing to say until more facts come out but, if this isn’t a ruse and the damned fool Republicans still nominate this guy, I would still vote for him against the communist Obama next year. In any event, the Republicans can do better than Herman Cain.
So she went willingly to Cains room and went to bed?
That’s called consensual isn’t it?
and now all these years later here comes the woman whose name cannot be mentioned to start the ball rolling on the discrediting of a Republican running for his party’s nomination for President.
Co incidence?
Whats next is a soiled and stained blue dress saved for a decade just for this moment.
Dear Hep-t
Isn’t it possible that the women got on with their lives after the incident and, confronted with the prospect of the man who raped/sh’d them, they feel it is the right thing to do, to try not to have a rapist in the WH? Of course if they had consensual sex, this is different. I do not mean that it would be good to have a man in the WH who cheated on his wife…which I am still silly and old fashioned to think is not a good thing.
Remember Whoopie’s distinction between Rape and Rape…this case will bring up many sore feelings about morality. If he cheated on his wife, he is not fit to be President.
>If he cheated on his wife, he is not fit to be President
Guess that didn’t apply to Kennedy and Bill huh? Double standard here?
Of course that applies to Kennedy and Clinton, at least from my voting discretion.
Waking up in someone’s bed, as described, could mean, as the first commenter suggests, that Cain took advantage of her and may have committed rape. It could also mean that he pressured her to have “consensual sex” — which considering his executive role could be considered sexual harassment under the letter of the law. PJM has definitely provided more details of one of the allegations. I’m not ready yet to call the whole story “a load of crap” OR legitimate.
Either way, the Cain camp has handled the story horribly and has demonstrated a political ineptitude that is almost disqualifying in and of itself.
Being inept as a politician is the biggest attraction for most conservatives, since ALL of our current problems were caused by politicians. Cain obviously didn’t consider this to be an obstacle to his candidacy, else he wouldn’t have tossed his hat in the ring. It’s easy to make anonymous allegations, without any names or proof, just to muddy the waters or outright destroy a candidate. Since this is what politics in America has degraded itself to, it shouldn’t be a surprise. Dig up some dirt. Make it up if you must, but knock the other guy out. Where’s the proof?
But did Cain not think it was an obstacle to the presidency because she was properly cowed and had the non-disclosure clause all sewed up? Some people are that arrogant, you know. But I think the timing is interesting. Whoever dropped the story had to have had it up their sleeve for the perfect, most damaging moment. I had noticed not only was Cain surging but he made that comment about PP that didn’t go over well. Guess that whole discussion went away, too, now didn’t it?
By PP in my last comment, I mean the black genocide comment:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/planned-parenthood-responds-to-herman-cains-criticism-cain-is-clearly-out-of-the-mainstream-in-his-attack/
I seem to recall the post on Hot Air about this came right under the first post on the accusations against Cain. Connection?
“the Cain camp has handled the story horribly and has demonstrated a political ineptitude that is almost disqualifying in and of itself.”
I am with you on that point, MSM double-standard methods of approach to this controversy notwithstanding.
Yes, Republicans no doubt CAN do better, but so far, a suitable candidate hasn’t appeared on the scene. I don’t believe there is any merit to all this BS and I will continue to back the best candidate to date, Herman Cain. I still think we need an option on the ballots for None of the Above. We almost won that right years ago.
It doesn’t matter if she was drunk or not. Assume NO unless you hear YES. Any type of sex with out consent is rape.
“Any type of sex with out consent is rape.”
You just had sex with the Truth. Is that rape?
So what if HE was drunk and she was almost sober.. did she rape him.. Most women I know want to be treated like the thinking adults they are. If you drink to the point you lose your inhibitions its still a choice.. grow up. It only counts as something worse if passed out.
I my mind its more likely she was drunk and he gave a save place to sleep it off. Seems to fit what people know about the man.
I hope he didn’t do anything wrong but if he did then the truth should come out. Good work PJM. I’m a Ron Paul lean at this point but like Cain as well.
I call bull$hit. The only thing wrong with Herman Cain is that he doesn’t have a (D) after his name and that he doesn’t have someone on his team to take care of “bimbo eruptions” and destroy the lives of his accusers.
The hypocrisy of the left and the propagandist media is absolutely radiant.
Nonsense. The notion that the media gave Clinton a free pass is absurd. I lived through it. It was nightly news, every night. The press was on that story non-stop, 224/7. What planet do you live on?
The media is only as liberal as it’s conservative/corporatist owners allow it to be. FOX liberal? LOL. TeaNN liberal? Seriously? MSNBC is the only network with a liberal lineup, and even that is only at night. Joe Scarborough liberal? Pat Buchanan liberal? The “left-wing, liberal media” meme was dispelled a long, long time ago. Join the rest of us in the reality-based community.
Disclaimer: I voted for Obama but will not vote for either a democrat or republican this election cycle.
Jeff, nothing is liberal to you because you are soooo far to the left you are falling off the left clift! No wonder you don’t see liberal bias!
>>> The notion that the media gave Clinton a free pass is absurd
They tried and they were caught. Newsweek had the full story and decided not to print it. Drudge exposed them all. Do you remember that? I do.
…and the Enemy Media and Socialist Democrats kept chanting the mantra: “…does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.”.
You know the biggest difference between Bill Clinton’s bimbo eruptions and this? In Bill’s case, we believed the bimbos.
Bill Clinton was disbarred for lying about it, so it’s fairly reasonable to conclude they were telling the truth.
no, in Bill’s case, ‘we’ TRASHED the ‘bimbos’, even after he finally admitted what he had done…btw, by the same ‘standards of proof’ being used by the MSM on Cain, by contrast, Clinton would be a 3+ time SERIAL RAPIST and Ted Kennedy a RAPIST and MURDERER
Unless the women who received settlements are going to reopen these cases, there really isn’t any story here. The cases were resolved 12 years ago. The women may feel that they were not treated fairly, but that’s true of many people who lose an argument. This is a story about manqagement practices in a private association involving employee complaints. Any such story is going to have residual resentments. Lacking proof of lawbreaking,if the media outlets that are peddling these stories want to convince their readers/viewers that the stories show Mr. Cain to be unfit for nomination and/or election, that’s fine, but it isn’t journalism, it is propaganda.
I heard on the news this morning that the NRA was considering waiving confidentiality in one of the cases (the one involving the woman who has been chomping at the bit to talk). Good.
You would do yourself a favor, and have a much better grasp of the legal reality behind all of this story, if you would go to Mark Levin’s website (www.marklevinshow.com) and listen to the first 20 minutes of his radio show audio file from yesterday (Wednesday 11/02). Mark’s take is neither pro or con relative to Herman Cain but is revealing of the unprofessional and grandstanding performance of the attorney who is leading the charge Joel Bennett. Like or dislike, or guilty or not, relative to Herman Cain you will be much better informed after listening to Mark Levin’s take on the situation.
Really? Mark Levin is a complete moron and should not be listened to by anyone. Your comment is just laughable.
Oh, Really? You write, “Mark Levin is a complete moron and should not be listened to by anyone”. And your reasons and supporting evidence for such a profound statement are………???? Or is it that you just can’t remember?
Mr. Levin, your show is all the evidence I need. But good try at your “anonymous” self promotion.
Now it is Really getting confusing. You write, “Mark Levin is a complete moron and should not be listened to by anyone”. You state that Levin, whom you describe as a moron, “should not be listened to by anyone”. Then you state that you have obtained your evidence for the first statement by listening (which you state that one should not do) to a moron. Why do you do something that you feel should not be done and why do you listen to a person that you “know” to be moron? In the words of the great Mark Levin…..GET OUTA HERE, YOU MORON!
By the way, do you know of any incomplete morons? Just askin’.
Yooper, Levin would actually say “Get outta here ya big dope”. Sorry for the nitpick. But I guess that proves you’re not he!
: )
What if they were both somewhat drunk?
If this were true, I would expect to see a source named as a witness or victim but without either, this story will be ignored by me… Who, what, where, when, why, and how –Journalism 101…
Sexual Harassment? Rape? By CEO of one of the largest associations in US? Payoff for silence $35K? Ridiculous! I worked in an organization that had handled similar complaint against a top executive (CFO with access to old records). When researching a different issue, I found the documents related to it in a confidential file. This event occurred in early 1980s. It took a cool quarter million to buy silence! And this was not even a large local outfit. In this case, either her parents and attorney failed her dramatically by getting such a low amount, or there actually is nothing there. Period. Dot.
That’s one of the main reasons I don’t believe something big happened.
But that doesn’t mean that the woman was lying.
So far, the statement is that she woke up in his bed. Not that any hanky panky went on. Not that he even slept in that same bed.
If he brought her there because she was too drunk to drive, and offered to do that with others at the same party, then it could explain why there were some people who felt like he was propositioning them.
This woman could have taken him up on the offer, and trusted that everything would be fine since he’s so respected.
When she gets back to work, rumors start going around that she slept with him. She denies it, but the rumors persist. This ends up making for a very uncomfortable working environment. So she ends up deciding to leave after several weeks/months because the rumors continue to stay and it makes her feel uneasy.
That would be a situation where nobody is really at “fault”, but can still end up causing a bad situation.
Just from what I know of Cain and from all other accounts this would be probably the best expanation that I have heard so far. It is kind of like high school and how you can get a reputation by people gossipping about what you may have done. I really think that this whole thing needs to be aired out so this can all be put behind. I agree that it was a major lack of discernment on Cains part to do this if in fact it did happen but I will hold my judgment against him till the real facts come out and even then I will still not vote for someone like Mittens or Paul.
While this is important info, there’s much more that needs to be added to this ongoing inquiry:
Did Cain drag the woman into the taxi? Drug her? Did she go willingly or under some kind of threat of retribution? Did she go willingly, then change her mind later and cry wolf?
Do any of us think she’s released from all personal responsibility?
I’m not taking up for Cain whom I now think has a history of ‘being on the make’ with attractive women he fancies. Still I can’t—and don’t think any of us should—buy into the silly notion that she was a complete victim.
Still I’m finding a candidate who may have a long history of this kind of behavior much, much less savory as a presidential candidate. Yuk!
We need to unpack this carefully and realitically as adults.
A woman scorned. A woman at our office tried unsuccessfully to bed down a co-worker. When he rebuffed her advances, the following day she made many accusations. Good thing he had a life.
Calling this as yet unidentified woman “a woman scorned” is sexist. Your terminology is inappropriate and damns every woman who ever comes forward, at any time, to report any untoward action.
Boo Hoo
Stupid would be running for President knowing this would come out
Wrong would be running for President, taking money and energy and hope from good people when you know, when you should know, that you’ll never make it past the press in the PostPalin Vetting World with this little secret.
I want to hear what Mary Jo Kopechne has to say about this.
Hang on a sec. Let me see if I can find her….
Best response ever.
Oh wait. Mary Jo can’t come the the phone. The “Lion” of the U.S. Senate left a young woman to die. Hey…what was that woman’s name who suddenly moved to the islands right after Obama was elected. I think it’s a GREAT time to bring out the Blue dress..Take it on tour…Get it booked to speak on TV…and Hillary..fuggitabouttit…she has her own Bimbo eruptions….Straight up..this is a Liberal lynching of a black conservative…Conservatives should occupy the DNC HQ….today…
– was held to a lower double-standard.
ya…least he didn’t drown her and swim away in the Potomac
I think you meant Chappaquiddick?
no, herman was in dc not cape cod
Wait a second; are you saying Cain drowned a woman in the Potomac?
If the article accurately portrays the actual allegation, that does not square AT ALL with Cain’s characterization of what he claimed was the ONLY allegation ever lodged against him, i.e. it doesn’t sound much like all he did was hold his hand up to his chin.
That is, “it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup”. If Cain knowingly misrepresented the allegation (lied), then the merits of the allegation aren’t relevant. What’s relevant is that he lied to cover it up.
Until these anonymous women make an appearance, their charges have not been scrutinized, their credibility unexamined, and Herman Cain cannot defend himself. Therefore, I wait to see these people before making up my mind.
One of them was a young woman in her early twenties, the other a man in his fifties.
By all means, let’s throw all the blame onto her.
Absolutely. She’s the whore who went to bed with him, then shook him down, and now is trying to discredit him. My version makes more sense than hers.
As the ol’ sayiing goes, “It takes two to tango.” The whole thing stinks to high heaven. As was mentioned in a post above “stupid.” Both were complete fools.
Well, she sure wouldn’t be the first or only woman in her 20s in DC or any other capital city to throw herself at an older, powerful man. The horizontal career move is a well worn path in government and politics.
I’m certain something untoward happened.
I’m certain that there were no completely innocent parties or the settlement would have been much larger than what we’ve heard or there would have been charges.
I’m certain that Cain and his campaign have handled this abysmally badly.
So far, we can’t blame anyone.
The only thing we DO KNOW is that we don’t have the whole story yet.
You’d better not be sloppy on this, PJ Media. I’m dismayed you’ve decided to get involved without making her come forward.
Sounds like it is neither sexual harassment or rape. If the story is true, and I’m not saying it is true, it sounds like there was consent between two adults, one of whom later had remorse. Or, perhaps, she just really didn’t like her job and found a way to ring the cash register.
ding ding
I am also dismayed with PJM with running this story without qualifications.
– identify so good-bye PJMedia.
So, is this shoot the messenger?
You don’t get a settlement of a year’s pay if all the man said is Hey, you’re about the same height of my wife. She comes up to here.
This also doesn’t explain the other’s accusations as surely he didn’t say that same thing to all of them.
Probably alot less expensive to settle.
The less perfect Cain becomes, the more I like him. The more sexual predatory behavior, the more Democrats will vote for him. Goin’ from 8 pt. win to double digits! The more bimbos, the better!
Yeah, really. If this is all true then Cain shgould be as popular as Bill Clinton. I mean, if there’s one thing Democrats taught us during the Clinton administration it’s that a) this is none of our business and b) if it doesn’t affect the way he performs his job, it’s no big deal.
The double standard is unreal. Ted Kennedy killed a woman for God’s sake, and he was revered by the left and the media.
How did I know Roger Simon of Politico was involved with this second hand story? Angelina Jolie once dragged me into a taxi and took me home, too.
Roger Simon from Politico and Roger L. Simon of PJMedia aren’t the same person. Or if they are Roger has the best makeup artist ever.
If all that happened was that Cain brought her to his room to sleep it off, and did not sleep in that same bed with her, then it’s not that big a deal.
Notice that the statement is that she woke up in his bed, not that they engaged in any sexual activity.
It still is an issue. And some people will be put off by it. He did open himself up to scrutiny with the action.
I could see how the woman would feel uncomfortable at work afterwards, because there would always be some people who would think that something happened in that room. Even if she denied it.
I personally think that Newt will benefit from this. As the non-Romney supportes (of which make a large percentage) are looking for a conservative candidate that can articulate a vision and make the solid argument against the statist policies. So as Bachman, Perry and now Cain slide Newt will pick up their supporters. Which I am more than willing to support Newt at the top of ticket.
More second and third hand allegations from unnamed sources.
Kafka anyone?
So far, we know two things about the accuser:
1-She’s a coward. She wants to accuse someone publicly of improper behavior and drag him and his family through the mud while remaining completely anonymous.
2-She’s dishonest. She signed a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for compensation to avoid a long drawn out legal matter and now wants to break it.
She may also be an extortionist based on current conduct.
Other thoughts-So when Cain was possibily acting improperly (or being victimized by someone out for what she could get) Obama was committing felonies (cocaine) Gingrich was having an adulterous affair while attacking Clinton for having doing the same with an intern, and Schwarzeneger was knocking up his maid. Yet Cain is the one being attacked. Are people still wondering why it’s difficult to get high quality candidates to run for President?
Thanks for contributing to Politico, Roger. I’m certain they are grateful. Just a couple of questions if you don’t mind:
(1) what exactly are the allegations?
(2) Why has this woman sought refuge behind the confidentiality agreement, that, until recently they were trying to have voided?
(3) So, the alleged “power disparity” turned this then young lady into a robot, acting at the command of “evil” CEO Cain?
(4) this lady alleges that she awoken in Herman’s bed. Besides the stated insinuation, was Cain also in his bed?
1) Right now it appears that the allegations are that Cain took a young woman back to his place after a night of eating and drinking.
2) Until the NDA is voided she cannot speak without repercussions. Getting the NDA voided is orthogonal to her credibility
3) No, the power disparity automatically creates a coercive environment, which is why CEO’s hitting on subordinates is always sexual harassment.
4) Doesn’t matter. If this is true even the most favorable interpretation, that Cain merely offered her his bed in which to sleep it off while he slept on the couch, shows a disqualifying lack of judgment. Why couldn’t he have taken her to where she was staying, got her settled, then left? Or better yet task someone at a lower level (preferably female) with making sure she got home safely?
With that being said I still don’t think there’s any story here. I understand why the woman involved is keeping her name private, but I want to know who these sources are. How can we evaluate their credibility if we don’t know who they are? If they didn’t want the nation looking into their lives they should have kept their mouths shut about a Presidential candidate. Until I see some names other than Herman Cain I’m going to presume innocence.
“Getting the NDA voided is orthogonal to her credibility” ?
Stop it with too much linear algebra.
1. Allegedly taking this then young lady to his apartment (if true) is an accusation of sexual impropriety?
2. The Confidentiality Agreement (different from NDA Non-Disclosure) changes nothing if she is on record saying she doesn’t want to be the next Anita Hill. Her surrogates have been doing a pretty good job irrespective of the Confidential Agreement. This is her and her lawyer vying for a fictional book deal (see Ricky Hollywood aka Levi Johnson)
3. Yes, whether or not Cain was in the bed with her when she woke up indicates that he slept with her (versus slept on the coach, etc.) There is no indication of a rape test being administrated so I’m not sure what “taking advantage of her” means. Sounds like she was passed out (if it actually happened)
4. The power discrepancy is pure unadulterated BS.
Now there is another source from the NRA that night that refutes this nonsense.
1) It might not be sexual impropriety, but taking an employee back to your place is certainly improper.
2) It doesn’t matter if she’s looking for a book deal. The only issue is if she’s telling the truth, which we’ll never know unless her name becomes public. Speculating on her motives is even less useful than speculating on the facts of the allegation.
3) It doesn’t matter if he slept with her or not. Simply taking her back to his place, regardless of motive, was profoundly stupid. There were plenty of better ways to handle the situation. It shows Cain lacks the ability to assess consequences of his decisions, especially in a political context.
4) The power discrepancy is pure unadulterated BS.
That has the be the stupidest thing I’ve read on this topic. A CEO using their position to punish a subordinate who rejects their advances is an abuse of power and should be illegal (and it is). It isn’t unreasonable for a subordinate to infer an “or else” when the CEO says “Let’s go back to my place.” That makes it impossible to tell if a relationship between a CEO and subordinate is consensual or coerced. Since we can’t tell them apart we have to either allow or deny everything in the category. The best solution is to ban all such relationships. If you and the CEO want to date, one of you quit.
3) No, the power disparity automatically creates a coercive environment, which is why CEO’s hitting on subordinates is always sexual harassment.
Is there a greater power disparity on the planet than a POTUS and his unpaid intern?
So we’re not going to hold ourselves to a standard higher than Bill Clinton?
Sure, comparing the attitude of the media and other liberals to the allegations against Cain with their attitude toward Clinton is useful in arguing media bias and liberal hypocrisy. It is completely irrelevant in deciding if Cain should be President.
If these accusations are true (I want to reiterate that I do not, at this point, consider the accusations to be anything other than noise), Cain does not deserve to be President. Even under the most favorable interpretation it shows Cain has appallingly poor judgment.
If this woman was truly a ‘victim’ Mummy and Daddy and a panting lawyer would have asked for a lot more than $35,000, ya think? Sluts exist, people, yup they are everywhere and sometimes quite drunk – waiting to pounce on anyone with power and money. Did Herman do wrong? Not sure yet, but wondering why this story only came out now that Herman is #1? Hmmm. Usually it’s ‘follow the money’.
Enough is enough.
The time has come for Cain, or whoever has the right to lift the non-disclosure agreement and let Cain’s accusers come forth and go public.
As long as this is a story of innudendo that keeps growing it hurts the Republican Party.
With constantly shifting loyalties and the first primaries and caucuses just weeks away Republicans deserve to know as much of the whole story as possible before deciding who their candidate is.
The only eyewitness account says she was seen getting into a taxi with Cain. Her account of going to his apartment and spending the night is not corroborated by anyone. She says nothing about sex, let alone non-consensual sex or any other behavior on his part. She says she woke up in his bed but doesn’t say whether he was ever in it, or whether he was ever in the apartment at all.
If this is all there is, it’s pretty thin. Which might explain the low settlement figure ($35K).
“Getting into a cab” with someone means absolutely nothing. Unless someone saw something for themselves, they are not a credible witness in a situation like this.
If he indeed raped her or harmed her, or threatened her employment, he would have been fired. Simple as that. No board of directors would accept anything less unless there were serious questions about the accuser.
I believe the left is perpetrating this because they know they would lose 1/2 their base. I also think they are perpetrating the division between the GOP campaigns. NOTHING they do this next year will surprise me.
I’ll make a prediction – a phoney assassination attempt or something just as big will be staged next Fall – enough for the govt to try to institute a delay of the elections. Just wait. I put nothing passed these thugs.
“a phoney assassination attempt or something just as big will be staged next Fall…”
Scary thought but I don’t see how they can use that as a reason to delay the election; this should be the case even if, God forbid, an assassination plot was carried out for real.
I know a guy who got slapped with a sexual harassment charge for tapping a woman on her shoulder with a manila folder at work. It was stupid of him but it surely was not sexual harassment. She was walking around a corner at work and he hurriedly was attempting to get her attention.. Now, as for Herman Cain, too bad he’s not a Democrat with a cigar.. All he’d have to say is ‘I did not have sex with that woman’ and the media would be satisfied. This is clearly a HIT JOB on Cain and that’s all it is.
I have seen many bad things happen to good people due to utterly false accusations. Once an accusation is made formally to HR, the power goes to the accuser. They are untouchable.
Well isn’t it terrific that politico has just shown ALL the women out there how easy it is to get a fat paycheck, rofl. Seriously, the improper behavior label could be almost anything he said (seems being sensitive can pay off real big thesedays)!!!
It is a racket. People will take advantage of any opening available to them. Being in human resources I’ve seen it all. It’s a travesty.
As I said on Twitter the other night, if I had 5 cents for every time someone in my business made a “non sexual” or even sexual gesture or comment or joke or come on, I’d not only be rich, I’d likely be part of the 1%.
Luckily most women have more self esteem than to play this game.
To me, sexual harrassment means a boss telling a subordinate that if they don’t do something sexual in return for keeping their job, they’ll be fired. Otherwise these whiney women need to get over themselves and stop being so “offended”.
The events described above sound like an adult consensual sex situation with some morning-after regrets by Ms. Roundheels. I hope this blows over soon so that Mr. Cain can concentrate on the campaign again.
OK I know I’ve said it probably 50 times before but I will have the courage of my convictions now. If I feel the need for trash in the future, I’ll visit TMZ, it’s a better quality of trash than this place. At least this story brought PJM’s true colors out.
Hopefully the better writers will find other, quality places and I can read them somewhere else in the future and not at this train wreck. Looks like the Cain story is going to provide more clarity than we thought.
was she missing a kidney in the morning? what happened? is cain an international trafficker in human organs? WE NEED TO KNOW.
– in a tub of ice?
Laugh-out-loud funny, milo!
Regardless what happened, the last thing we need is a nominated candidate with more allegations falling out of the closet. And this after I read that Cain thought China was not yet nuclear…….not good.
It turns out that Cain looked at Chinese missiles, while he was a rocket scientist for the Navy. So he obviously meant that China wants to further their progress, not the way the “gotcha” media is portraying it.
Is the Tatler now an offshoot of Politico? Do we go with innuendo and gossip instead of a real person coming forward without hiding behind anonymity?
I’m quite dismayed to see an opinion/news source that I’d always thought relied upon solid evidence to be spreading this story in such a manner. Maybe the reality is that Cain did some sordid/bad/illegal stuff. I dunno. All I do know is that we sure as hell don’t have any hard evidence that he did. And that it’s sad to see PJTatler presenting this story without solid facts.
Is the Tatler now an offshoot of Politico?</i?
Look like it.
Do we go with innuendo and gossip instead of a real person coming forward without hiding behind anonymity?
Apparently.
It’s all about attracting eyeballs. Got any second or third hand anonymous allegations, rumors, or gossip you’d like to share? Enquiring minds are interested.
Larry Sinclair stated he used illegal drugs and performed fellatio on Obama in the back of a limo…PJM…investigate that!
should look into that, not only pjm, just google larry sinclair donald young obama, it’s all there, and more
WONDERING HOW MUCH $$$ GEORGE SOROS HAS PAID THE WOMEN TO LIE. Mr. Herman Cain has worked his butt off to get where he is today. He is retired. He has made enuf money for his family and himself to live comfortably and to go off and mind their own business. He did not need to enter this race. Why would he unless he adores abuse. I do not believe any of this dirty B.S.
Bill Clinton is making MILLIONS after all his groping of women, his sperm that he lied about on an intern’s dress. Bill Clinton is scum of the earth along with his his wife Hillary who will step on anyone to get what she wants.
HERMAN CAIN IS HONEST. HERMAN CAIN IS CAPABLE OF RIDDING D.C. OF ALL THE SICK CORRUPT PEOPLE THERE. This would never have happened if he was at the bottom of the polls. Mitt Romney is a liar. Perry is a liar. And GEORGE SOROS IS PAYING OFF THESE WOMEN TO LIE. No doubt in my mind.
I AM WITH HERMAN CAIN AND WILL SUPPORT HIM NO MATTER WHAT
I don’t know what happened, no one posting here knows what happened. We are all taking small pieces of information and drawing conclusions based upon our prejudices.
I have been out to dinner with co-workers, superiors, CEOs and others. We have shared cars. Sometimes we all went back to the same hotel. I wonder what people were saying about me?
I do not have enough information to draw a conclusion about what happened or who was at fault and I choose not to speculate.
Wow…this is ridiculous. Someone takes a standard settlement when the CEO Rapes them..Any credibility there might have been to these stories is getting flushed down the toilet. Now people are just making up stuff.
35000 dollars and rape don’t really go together. It’s more a ‘he tried something he shouldn’t have” situation I think. Most likely sex wasn’t even involved and Mrc Cain’s denials can be most easily explained by his fear of Mrs Cain.
It would appear that this woman’s attorney is attempting to get the National Restaurant Association to release her from the confidentiality agreement and be permitted to tell her “story” through her attorney while continuing to remain anonymous. How could anyone think this is fair?
It isn’t the responsibility of the National Restaurant Association to represent the interests of either Mr. Cain or the woman in question. It is the National Restaurant Association’s responsibility to represent the interest of their assocation and it’s restaurant members. Clearly, it is in the best interest of the assocation’s members that all of this come to an end RIGHT NOW! Allowing this woman to breach her agreement surely does not serve their interests.
In the case of the 3rd woman to have “come forward” (by the way, how do you “come forward” when continuing to remain anonymous?) she is said to have “considered” filing a complaint back in the 90s but did not. Well, now is her chance! She isn’t bound by a confidentiality agreement. Why does she continue to HIDE? It is very easy to ruin the reputation of a good man when you may do so anonymously! At least Clarence Thomas was given the opportunity to confront his accuser!
Or this lawyer wants to keep his name in the headlights.
Have some Madeira, m’dear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW_zi8n4HDQ
She entered a taxi, next thing she woke up in his bed. Does she have any idea what transpired between these two states? It sounds as if she has no idea. Going to bed with someone absent real threat of imminent bodily harm is a choice. So is drinking too much. When will adult women realize that they are being infantilized by sexual harassment laws that allegedly ‘protect’ them?
Yeah, because it’s perfectly acceptable to do whatever you want to someone who is too drunk to have sound judgement…especially if the person in question is a hot chick who has passed out. She should have known better, and she certainly got what was coming to her (if you know what I mean).
With people like you posting in defense of Cain, he doesn’t need enemies.
There isn’t enough info in this article for us to know exactly what happened, but it doesn’t look good so far.
Dear Intrepid PJM Reporters:
If the alleged victim woke up in Cain’s bed, did the alleged victim go to the hospital for a rape test? If so, what medically facility did she go to and on what date?
Moreover, if the alleged victim does want to go on the record, where Cain has the ability to face his accuser, why is her attorney trying to get the NRA to lift the confidentiality agree that she voluntarily signed uner advisement of the family’s attorney?
@2: “Art Chance
@1: “That’s not sexual harassment, that’s rape.”
No woman, or human being, takes $35,000 to leave a rapist on the street to continue raping.
Or do you?
Reading comprehension is a really good skill to have. You should try to develop it.
Someone is breaching his/her confidentiality agreement. Whatever the truth is, the woman signed a confidentiality agreement. If she is willing to breach it, what else is she willing to do or say?
You’re all missing the point – Mr. Cain vehemently denied even having any knowledge of anything remotely resembling this matter. But now we know, there was something, and perhaps more than once. Is he a liar? Probably. And we are made to believe from PJ Media that he picked up a young female staffer and took her home with him for an overnighter. Is he an adulterer? Probably. Both of these issues go to the character of any man (or woman). Is that who you want as your President? Didn’t you get enough of Clinton?
Look folks.
The Democrats have now got us talking about anything other than how bad Obama is doing, and talking about the plans, policies and proposed programs of the Republican candidates.
Enough already.
Let’s focus on the issues guys!!!!
Spot-on.
I’m very disappointed that PJM has joined the MSM.
If true this makes Cain look Clintonesque – maybe the Dems will adopt him!
As for the woman, please girls: to be taken seriously in the workplace you must NEVER get drunk around colleagues and clients and you must NEVER mix sex with work.
At least we have a bit of detail. There are still a wide range of possibilities as to what happened. Anything more that I say is going to be speculation, and I’m not going to speculate at this point. I’m going to wait for more facts before forming an opinion.
I have a serious problem with this article. It would seem to me the allegation of the accuser spending the night at Cain’s apartment would be the most important point in this story. Yet you tell us absolutely nothing of how anyone knows this. Did the individuals you interviewed tell you this? And if so, how do they know this? Rumor? Or do they claim to have been told by Cain or the accuser? And if they didn’t tell you this, how did you learn of it?
How the heck do you post that without any detail whatsoever?
Some of the people posting in this thread behave no better than the Clintonistas did when they demonized and smeared every woman who ever came forward. And then they wonder why the women in this case are reluctant to come forward publicly.
I didn’t have a high opinion of Cain as a potential president in the first place, but his response to this scandal has been inept, disorganized, and (dare I say it) petulant. And his supporters are no better. What’s worse, Cain has played the race card and cast unsubstantiated accusations at the Perry campaign to deflect blame from himself. This is what passes for leadership? No, thank you.
I really hope the eventual nominee is someone other than Cain or Romney…because I won’t vote for either of them in the general election. I used to say that about Romney only.
I’m tired of anonymous sources. How do I know that these sources weren’t paid off by someone to spout this story? Until the accusers show themselves, and present evidence that is more solid than “he said, she said”, the benefit of the doubt still goes to Mr. Cain.
Further, if PJ Media is going to turn into nothing more than a tabloid site that uses anonymous sources as the basis of a story, I think I’ll move on.
1) Watched them get into a taxi….okay, how many people on business trips have shared a taxi? ANS> PLENTY
2) It’s insinuated that it could possibly be rape. ANS> Seriously? If that were the case, there would have been a criminal charges. The board would have known about the issue, and red flags would have been raised about Cain. HR would have been ALL the issue, and its possible that he would have been fired. Instead, NONE of that happened. In fact, they remember him fondly. This is more of the same SMEAR.
3) Anonymous male? You can practically see through the lines that it was Chris Wilson, a Perry PAC pollster. He is the only one to mention a restaurant scenario, and this fits perfectly with what he said. Which leads us to believe that it’s straight political mudslinging BULL.
Agreed. Every detail points back to Perry.
How much are these people getting paid to lie? I guess people really are in it for the money and to ruin someones life.
We do not have enough info.
Therefore I can shut up.
So I’m supposed to believe from these “sources” that all of this has been out there since Monday – and she just walked with a five-figure termination settlement?!?!
Bullsh*t.
Give some credibility to this, or you’re no better than Politico.
What happened to the “in his bed” line in the story?
Yep. Before that is was “held a massive orgy gang free for all”.
Allegedly two drunk people may or may not have had sex??? Someone saw Herman Cain get into a cab with a woman? Wow, I say guilty, bring out the guillotine right now so we can get the man with the perfect hair as our nominee!
I swear there are some serious plants trolling the sites! This is utter nonsense and if your a big enough idiot to fall for it, God help you! Cain
handled his response badly because he is not a good politician {liar}, that was actually a compliment!
Yep. After reading the article, I have no more idea if Mr. Cain did something innappropriate or not than I did before.
After reading the comments, it looks like the electronic lynching that Cain himself predicted is a complete success. Too bad, I like him and despise Romney.
Maybe Cain should go to Philadelphia and give a speech about date rape, and the media can hail it as the greatest speech since the Gettysburg Address, and then proclaim the matter closed. And anyone who continues to talk about it will be accused of “ugliness”.
I don’t know what you people are reading but no where in this article does it say she woke up in Cain’s bed. It just says she woke up.
“Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up.”
It did. Here’s the orginal:
“According to both sources, Mr. Cain and the woman had been with a large group for a long evening of food and drink at the Ciao Baby Cucina, a restaurant near NRA headquarters in downtown Washington, D.C. This was a normal routine, as the trade association worked with the food and beverage industry. Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up in his bed.”
See hotair.com for the original version.
Guess Pollack and Simon were contacted by libel lawyers.
Would take integrity to tell the readers of the slippery change, huh?
On the face of it both of them seem to have had bad judgement. Hers is more excusable than his simply because when one is young and has had a couple of drinks it is easy to do something you later regret. By the late 1990s Cain had plenty of fair warning that the circumstances could come back to haunt him.
I think the most revealing part of this story is that the National Restaurant Association has a governmental affairs department!
What the heck? Does the government have to stick its paws in EVERYTHING? For God’s sake, it’s time to systematically dismantle this leviathan.
– and the government will make him buy a fishing license.
Sources or shut up.
I’m sick of this innuendo.
If these allegations are true (and I don’t think they are), why didn’t they come out when he announced he was running for president? Oh, stupid me, he wasn’t a threat to win, then!
Go Herman, you have my vote!
an excellent point.
If these allegations are true, (and I don’t believe for one minute that they are), why weren’t they made public when he first announced he was running for president. Oh, stupid me! He wasn’t a threat to win, then.
Go Herman. You have my vote!
If this story is true and he took drunk or sober 20-something underling back to his pad to play scrabble and crash fully clothed on his bed, it doesn’t matter. He is toast. It doesn’t matter if the woman was a working call girl by night or a virgin. He’s toast. It doesn’t matter if she took a $30,000 payout or a $30 million payout. He’s toast.
the first two ‘victims’ claimed harrassment- a point that politico was extremely careful not to conflate into ‘sexual harrassment’. clearly, they have the court documents, already.
this third ‘victim’ is receiving corroboration via hearsay, not eyewitness testimony. since hearsay makes credible witnesses, should i expect to be subpoenaed for my ‘knowledge’?
the real confusion that sets in, is whether the payout was a product of a legal case, or a severance package. Given the phrasing ‘a year’s salary’, it sound like the the latter.
my first question, at the next debate…
how many people on this stage have had a legal settlement, with a non-disclosure agreement?
deny it, and you are a liar. confirm it, and you are a criminal.
side note:
these girls better be hot!!! chances are, they are chubbies.
It is an unsubstantiated allegation. Did she have any proof she was in Herman Cain’s apartment? Who knows? I am assuming (without some more facts) it did not happen–especially since a $35,000 settlement is definitely nusiance value.
This story sounds like a bunch of made up hoodoo. Making a false rape allegation is slanderous, and that is what appears to be going on here. And, if there was a rape allegation, why is there not a police report or court record of said indescretion? Why was the settlement only $35,000. If I was the person affected, and I was going to court, I would have asked for millions, and pressed criminal charges.
According to Don Surber, Paula Jones got $850,000.
As long as Cain was baselessly attacking the liberal lamestream media for this hit job I was fine and still willing to support him. Once Cain realized that the attack came from the Perry campaign I had enough a decided to withdraw my support. I can’t support a Conservative who is based in reality, even if it’s just a short stay. Not. Gonna. Happen.
Michele Bachmann in 2012!
No one cares.
The Cain train rolls on!
The only toast that I smell burning is Rick Perry’s poll numbers. Below Newt?
the ultimate irony, if perry was the source…
he is being convicted on hearsay and theory-the same method he would have used against cain.
not sure how this will affect cain, but it certainly isn’t going to ingratiate voters to come back to perry.
admitting that one ‘sucks at debating’ crosses the line of rational self-deprecation. considering backing out of the debates is like a child running home with his football, while the other kids continue to play, because it certainly wasn’t the only football.
fwiw…
given wapo’s presense in virginia, and obsession with the gop, they may prove to be the source. had they run the story, it would form a clear cut path back to them.
find an outlet, select an intermediary, and voila.
BTW, I think PJM “badly mishandled” this story by having to offer such significant corrections so soon.
if ‘victim #3′ doesn’t come foward, let’s not use ‘jane doe’ as her designation.
‘vera baker’ has a much better ring to it.
Rush will comment on PJM’s “Breaking News” shortly. He previewed saying he does not buy it.
The corrections hurt the believability of the story, Mr. Pollock, a lot.
This story is far too hot to make errors. You and PJM must up your game or you won’t be playing in this arena long. Everything that touches this is the big leagues.
Ha Ha Ha!!
What a joke.
Keep it up … the more you report …. the more cash he gets donated to him!!
And we still can’t see Obama’s vault birth certificate, his college records, his adoption records, his passport, his SS records–and he’s IN the WH? A known terrorist helped Obama get on the political scene; he has associated primarily with left-wing radicals/Marxists; he ignores the Constitution and does what he wants; his AG is a criminal… And yet he remains silent and isn’t pressed to give the truth? IF these allegations were correct about Cain (which I doubt they are, at least no where near to the extent the media is guessing), which is worse for our country?
The girl is lucky she didn’t get in a car with a Kennedy.
I’m sorry but this truly reeks of bull. If this issue was so important to the alleged “victim” it would have been brought up sooner.
It smells of someone stirring the turd.
I’m surprised PJM would run with this story. If it’s true, it’s basically two drunk adults who got it on, then she went for the shakedown.
This will be old news by the time the general election campaign takes hold.
http://thebraverepublic.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/what-no-one-is-saying-about-herman-cain/
Cain isn’t running for president. He isn’t serious. He isn’t even campaigning in Iowa or New Hampshire. I’m sure he’s as surprised as anyone that he’s is polling well. No, he’s selling books and attempting to raise the value of his speaking fees. He is clearly not qualified to be president (China trying to acquire nuclear technology? LMAO). He’ll be tanking in the polls soon enough. Move along. Nothing to see here.
I agree, Jeff, that Herman’s run for the nomination was (is) not serious. His is one of the most inept campaigns I’ve seen. Strictly amateur hour. I think they’ve all been caught flat-footed by his surge in the polls and the realization that his nomination is an actual, real-world possibility.
“Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Cain’s residence, but several days after the alleged incident, the female source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace “distraught.””
Come on guys….
“(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)”
You are being played. Until I see names and facts, all of this is smoke and mirrors, with the aim of taking Cain out. I get paid this week, he’g getting my first donation. I’ve held back from donating to anyone up to now.
This is now just reaching an unprecedented level of absurdity.
O.K., will you all try to make sense?
I have read the comments here and a number of points are being raised that simply have to stop.
1. This is nothing more than Bill Clinton did.
You do not want a candidate for President running on the platform of “I’m no worse than Bill Clinton.” I wonder how many of the people who raise the “Clinton Defense” were alright with this whole thing while Clinton was doing it. As for those who think that the MSM were silent about Billy Boy’s escapades, why is it that almost everyone here knows the names Paula Jones, Jennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky.
2. This is all Perry’s fault.
There seems to be a line to a Perry staffer who broke the story to Politico. This surprises me because I would have thought Romney had to most to gain from it. But whoever broke the story, it’s not their fault that the story existed in the first place. If the Perry guy hadn’t spilled the beans now, the Democrats would have told it after Cain got the GOP nomination. You can argue that Republicans should be relieved that the story broke now instead of next October.
3. Darn that liberal media.
I keep hearing the usual charge that this is somehow the liberal media’s fault. You’d have to be awfully conservative before you could describe Politico as liberal. I have no idea how far right you’d have to be to brand PJ Media as liberal.
4. It’s because he’s black.
That was the first response Clarence Thomas used 20 years ago. Funny, conservatives usually deplore whining by women and minorities. I guess it’s only valid if it’s conservative women or minorities playing the victim card.
5. Dirty lying women.
If it comes to a he said/they said question, you have to wonder who to believe. Some people here have said something that sounds like “We have no idea who these women are, but I just know they are dirty lying sluts trying to cash in.” I couldn’t help but notice that Cain spent a day changing his story over and over again (in spite of knowing this was out there weeks before the Politico article). In one day on this one story, Herman Cain looked like Mitt Romney on speed. Lift the non-disclosure agreements and let’s hear from Cain’s accusers. If they are the dirty lying sluts some of you have depicted that should come out quite quickly. If Cain won’t let them speak, it only makes him look worse.
If nothing happens this story will not just go away. It’s a story about sex and power. The MSM lives for this sort of thing. It’s not their fault. If their audience wanted an examination of taxation policy there would be a lot more stories about 9-9-9. But readers and viewers want sex and power stories. Don’t blame the media, blame the people who ignore policy for the sake of juicy gossip. I don’t support Herman Cain, but I want this story to be dealt with and dispatched. There is an election going on and we’d all be better served by focussing on policy rather than sleaze.
The only person who can make this soap opera end is Herman Cain. Reveal all. Reveal it before Iowa. Let this story blow up rather than simmer away. I didn’t like this sort of garbage when it was Clinton and I don’t like it now. Herman, you say you’re a problem solver. Solve this problem NOW!
yes
but you didn’t mention the hypocricy of the many people supporting Cain. Most of them were up in arms about Bubba (still are), but they see nothing here, nothing. Many absolutely deny even the possiblility of fire, even though there is plenty of smoke. A few seem to assume Cain did something, but it’s ok because others have done worse. Few even want these incidents investigated, even though they want every incident investigated for other candidates or the other party.
How many ways do they want it? They don’t seem to realize that if an organization like PJM doesn’t do the legwork to find out what really happened (even though that task is far from complete), than that legwork will be done by the marxist media.
And why on earth would anybody assume that any polician is squeeky clean, PARTICULARLY one who hasn’t ever been vetted? They won’t even admit that Cain is a politician. As soon as I heard his outrageous claims for 9 9 9 (revenue neutral, 5-10% gdp growth, not a vat, etc.), I knew Cain is a salesman. As soon as he played the race card on Perry, I knew he is a politician as willing as any other to play dirty. As soon as I heard him change his story about this incident the first time, I knew there was more to it than we had yet learned.
Yes, the level of hypocrisy is astonishing and dismaying. How many times have we heard about how the liberals have thrown women and their rights under the bus for Islam, Kennedy, or whoever, and just recently, side by side even with these Cain headlines, all this screaming about OWS hiding the rapes in their camp. What do you even say about that? The common denominator on all sides is when your guy is on the ropes, the women get thrown under the bus for the sake of whatever ideology you support. Plus the definitions of sexual harassment given here are beyond ridiculous. How many of these people have worked real jobs? Men will be men, so everyone should just understand they act bad and get over it? Fabulous. I think I’ll sit this election out.
Amen.
1. Conservatives are reading this, not Liberals! They can vote for womanizers like Clinton, Kennedy, but do we have to?
2. The Cain campaign already RETRACTED their claim that it was the Perry campaign that leaked it.
3. Cain campaign should nullify the Non-Disclosure, let the women talk, and the truth will come out. Maybe he is innocent of all this – so let’s get it out in the open.
“The only person who can make this soap opera end is Herman Cain. Reveal all.”
Well, that’s not so easy as he is not privy to what is in the confidentiality agreement signed by this anonymous woman. He seems to have been pretty much up front so far. I am not at all sure what he can say to put this thing to rest. There are simply too many pieces of this puzzle that are missing, & Cain does not have them all.
Sounds like the NRA, not Cain signed off on the other end of the non-disclosure agreement. So he may not be able to make them go away as easily as you think either.
Sloppy, sloppy PJM – check out all the “corrections” at the end of this. What a load. PJM is sinking fast.
The Cain story is a load of crap. Pay attention to the corrections to the story. PJMedia is a shill for the left. “(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed. That was incorrect.— the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)” This is a full on frontal attack and Lynching and if American does not see that then America deserves Obama forever.
I don’t know about PJM being a shill for the left. However, as a daily reader the choice and quality of reporting here has certainly fallen off since the name-change. It’s too bad really.
My goodness, there are times that the rush to be “first” out there with a report is just not worth it.
“CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.”
I am going to ask again since now apparently no one even saw them get into a cab together: How does anyone know they ended up at Cain’s apartment?
Seems like just yesterday Monica was crawling around the white house on her hands and knees.
For Billabong Clintorus, this was a resume enhancer. Ah suggest dey drag a dolla bill cross a traila pahk and see what comes out.
Serpent head Carvile seemed to think this is the correct way to handle the problem.
Is allegedly the only word you know? When does PJ Media plan on officially announcing its merger with Politico?
Rush Limbaugh is reading this story on air as I type. He calls your reporting “shoddy.”
Herman Cain is not nearly a good enough candidate for us to have to put up with these kinds of counterproductive and self-destructive distractions. Cut him loose.
The PJM reporting was less than it should have been, but Rush is in the tank for Cain and has a commercial and personal interest in pushing him forward. Anyone who thinks that Rush is a saint or 99.9% correct is as foolish as those who think the same of Cain. Levin is worse; he is already partially responsible for losing at least one and probably two key races for Republicans. I like his passion, but he lets it get the better of his judgement too often.
Cain has NOT been vetted…but he certainly WILL be. Better now than in October, 2012. If he can stand up to it, even reporting that isn’t as solid as it should have been, good. If he can’t, then it won’t get better with time.
And anyone who thinks this is the end of this story is also very very foolish. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that the allegations, witness assertions, and additional information about the settlement will stop. All the wishing, hoping, anger, criticism and chest thumping in the world won’t stop them from coninuing on. The only thing that can stop it is if Cain publically answers every question about the allegations for as long as the questions last; and then if more witnesses or information appear later, answer them again. His only hope is to take his case to the public. It’s not fair, but he better do it.
OK, I admit it! I had sex with Herman Cain’s dog, Fluffy. She was asking for a ride home and, since I don’t speak Georgian, I misunderstood. After her ride, she thanked me and asked for my name and number. I never heard from her again, until I saw the story in Politico.com. Now, listen to me. Listen to me. I did have sex with that dog, Fluffy – I have just admitted it.
- Frankie Fox
So nothing new really – this is so utterly ridiculous on the face of it and only fleshes out when people decide to fill it with their innuendo and guesses.Let me know when some REAL information is available.
1. Rape is never mentioned in the article, but it does say it happened in the mid-90s. Cain was at the NRA throuh 2002. Had an accusation of rape or “coerced” sex been leveled at Cain, do you think he would have remained at the NRA another 7 years, or would he have–at the veryleast–been asked to quietly step down?
2. Neither the words bed or sex appear in the article. Huh? When you go home with someone after a night of drinking, the unstated assumption is you’re going to have sex. I’m sure that’s what everyone reading this is thinking when they read “They got in a taxi and went to his apartment.” Why this odd wording about “spent the night and woke up” that raises more questions than it answers? So, did they have sex or didn’t they?
3. Instead of all of this inuendo, what aren’t we getting a straight story? Did they have sex or not? Was it consentual or not? Was she pressured or not? Did she change her mind at the last minute, causing him to get mad (or conversly, did he change his mind at the last minute, causing her to get mad)? Why just tell half the story? Why not just get it out there?
great points
Herman Cain was with the National Restaurant Association from mid 1996 until sometime in 1999, hardly a 7 year time frame. Just get the facts right, you know, before you argue from them.
I expected a higher standard on journalism from PJM. THis is what I have come to expect from the rest of the so-called MSM. I will have to consider this example of pure Yellow journalism when ever I read any other PJM article.
Hey, If I make up something about the ZERO or one of the other candidates will you run with it?
SHAME ON YOU!!
One thing we all know for ABSOLUTE CERTAIN … if Cain wasn’t running for president right now neither he nor the rest of the country would ever heard anything about whatever may or may not have allegedly ‘happened’ almost 20 years ago.
Too many occurrences not to believe there is a pattern of a serial abuser demonstrated by Mr.Cain.
Is this the night the lights went out in Georgia at the Cain For President Headquarters.
Occurrences of what? The only occurrence I’ve heard thus far is HEARSAY that .. ‘something’ may have happened.
1. This is nothing more than Bill Clinton did.
You do not want a candidate for President running on the platform of “I’m no worse than Bill Clinton.”
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Yeah, but that’s twice-elected President Bill Clinton you are talking about. What’s the point of hounding someone out of the race if it is clear most Americans will happily vote for a man who has engaged in questionable personal behavior?
Democrats, liberals and a small percentage of independents voted for twice-elected Bill Clinton, not “most” Americans. He was a “plurality” president.
clinton was actually convicted of perjury. he lost his license. he paid out 850k in settlement.
the most common critique of the clinton fiasco-
‘if he just paid the money, which he had, the issue would have ended. it was a matter of hubris that he chose to fight over.’
as for scale…
cain’s offenses were assessed as 1/20th the value.
“…it is clear most Americans will happily vote for a man who has engaged in questionable personal behavior…”
the paula jones et al case didn’t get rolling until monica lewinsky, after his second election. (in cain’s case, i would have inserted ‘alleged’ in there.)
can’t speculate on the affects based on clinton.
can speculate on the issue not deterring from clinton’s post wh favorability.
although…
how many non-disclosure agreeements occurred while clinton was governor? funny how the press chooses to honor those ‘guilty’ of issues they would use to indict others.
I am embarrased that a publication with distinguished commentators such as Victor Davis Hansen would publish such a shotty piece of “journalism”. Another anonymous source, who witnessed nothing and this qualifies as new details. Plus what’s up with the corrections at the end of the story? Mr Simon and PJ Media have discredited your entire organization with this National Enquirer style sensationalism.
Let’s say that instead of running for President of the United States, Herman Cain was applying for an executive position at a large corporation. This corporation, in reviewing Cain’s viability as a potential employee, they discover that Herman Cain has, in the past, been the subject of more than one sexual harassment claims. Does that corporation ignore those claims and hire him anyway? NO! They quickly find another candidate for that position. Do we as Americans looking for a President, look the other way and dismiss Herman Cain’s history and accept him as our GOP candidate? NO! We quickly move on to the next candidate.
It would depend on the nature and frequency of the claims.
If there was an ongoing pattern over many years, then no.
But if it was a couple of isolated incidents over a 40 year period, then it probably wouldn’t make a difference.
What’s the WORST Cain is being accused of: (1) making an offensive remark about a woman’s height, and (2) having a single, one night stand with a subordinate. That’s it.
Nothing to brag about, but over a 40 year period those seem to be the only two incidents. That’s the worse case scenario for Cain. Do those two incidents, out of 40 years of otherwise staying out of trouble, disqualify someone for president?
Yes. BTW – the number of accusers is up to 6 now. Cain is a liability no corporation would take on. Too many subordinates would see $$$$
Except now the “corrections” say NOBODY saw them get into a taxi together AND she woke up in his apartment NOT his bed. What’s the next “correction”? She went home alone & woke up in her own bed? Great HuffPo quality “reporting” by PJ Media.
Here’s what I don’t get: The first charges were he made some “gesture” that made her “uncomfortable”. No one seems to know what that gesture was and with a lack of information it’s hard for Cain to know what to say. Supposedly there are two women but the second one must have been an idiot (if she exists) because she got nothing out of the deal and we don’t know what he supposedly did to her. The gesture went around for a couple of days. It didn’t stick.
The next day we have a guy who supposedly saw SOME incident at SOME event. According to him this was “typical” Cain behavior and anyone who was there during his tenure knew. Except no one else saw it. Everyone associated with him (with actual names and details) has said how respectful he was and how he treated women and men equally. One woman who worked very closely with him on a daily basis says he never was inappropriate with her. That didn’t stick.
The lawyer is running around saying she wants to talk but can’t because of an agreement. Meanwhile she’s saying she doesn’t want to come forward. The lawyer, evidently looking for his 15 minutes) wants to have the agreement put aside so the woman (who doesn’t want to talk according to her) can talk. Meanwhile we do know the whole thing was so insignificant the lawyer didn’t even remember. The whole thing was handled by fax. BTW if all this really happened she had the worlds worst lawyer because if this revolving story was true she could have done a helluva lot better than a year’s salary.
Now we have him actually going in a taxi (maybe) because no one actually SAW that. And another man was witness to this. But now neither saw it. Oh, and this was also common behavior for him. Except no one else remembers. And Cain is supposed be handling it poorly. But since the allegations keep changing (almost hourly)…we’ve gone from a vague gesture to BillyJeff syndrome. How is he supposed to hit a moving target? This is getting absolutely absurd and more unbelievable by the day.
What is this crap? This is a joke yes? How much had she been drinking at the restaurant? Is the restaurant a bar and Grill? My dad brought home a drunken female business associate once that mom and dad put up in the guest room because they did think she could not remember her hotel.
Until you have talked to this woman on the record assume that she is a Democrat who just wanted to drag down a Black Republican.
Yeah (109) John – you might even say this story is starting to sound like a page from a “Mad-Libs” game book.
So many negative comments based on no real facts. It takes time to get them, bloody shame that the real world doesn’t operate at the speed of thought (or typing).
BUT, that said, it looks like a hit piece at the moment, it sure wouldn’t be the first time the leftist journolist have done something like that to a conservative and leaving the liberals alone for worse.
In Clinton’s time the media informed us that our attitude toward sexual matters was puritanical, that we were not ‘enlightened’ like the Europeans (who are to be admired), and that his many adulterous adventures didn’t mean anything at all, move along, nothing to see here.
Anyone care to surmise why the media has changed their tune so radically?
This one story on PJMedia has ruined its reputation in my mind. Why is it that you would lend credence to all this hearsay? In the absence of an investigation of the agendas of these anonymous people, all this is is a very crude attempt to push someone out of the republican primary.
PJM,
So what is your goal? First you help destroy Herman, then the next front runner, and when they are gone, the next one. Do you REALLY think there isn’t someone out there who will claim that someone else did something 15-20 years ago. If that is you goal, then vote for the ZERO because that is basic Saul Alinski 101. The destroy your opponent, don’t debate.
The ZERO is loving this, thanks for joining Politico.
PJmedia is obviously a shill for the left. I hope good entertainers like Alfonzo Rachael drop you like a hot cake. America will hate pjmedia very soon. You might as well merge with the huffpo. We do not trust pjmedia any longer.
And if anyone believes this load of crap, then we deserve obama. We are useless Americans who could not choose a good leader out of a paper bag.
I think the charge of sexual harrassment is used far too frequently. Today’s young people jump in and out of bed too quickly and don’t seem to think anything of it.
I have thought Mr. Cain is of the generation who thought they were being gentlemanly when they opened doors and mentioned a woman’s physical appearance in complementary terms. Unfortunately, that is a no-no now and society has not been improved by its absence. I hope Mrs. Cain finally makes an appearance and helps clear up Mr. Cain’s marital status.
Break the agreement ….. pay back the $35,000 WITH INTEREST so she can make a HELL OF ALOT MORE!
The nature of the corrections — that no one saw them get into the cab together and that she didn’t wake up in his bed after all — casts doubt on the entire story, on the sources, on the writers, and on the website the ran it. What shoddy journalism.
I will approach future PJM articles with a high degree of suspicion.
How about getting back to us when you have evidence that he sodomized, shoved cigars into and squirted DNA all over an intern in his office, or fathered an illegitimate child with a campaign staffer while his wife was dying of cancer. But wait a year first, like the media did in those cases.
seems to me these are all either outright lies or exaggeration she went to his place in a cvab and then woke up the next morning. This doesmnty even prove sex happened at all. Alsosupposedly she cane to work a few days later upset but how do we know she was upset because of cainb could be something like her mom or dog died for all we know. plus if someone hurt me i wouldnt stay anonymous id face them and sue them publicly so we really know nothing
How about this scenario:
Young woman seduces wealthy older executive. Wealthy older executive goes along but later thinks better of it and informs young woman he cannot continue to see her. Young woman, who thought she was on easy street, gets pissed and claims sexual harassment despite the fact she went with the executive willingly.
Why the world seems to think that just because a woman “seems upset” means instant guilt on the part of the man is beyond me. Maybe she “seemed upset” because her new sugar daddy dumped her?
“99. Northern Light
O.K., will you all try to make sense?”
Your the one not making any sense here, the MSM will never leave this alone. This is the way the go after black conservative males as noted with Clarence Thomas. You must realize it hurts them deeply when a black person leaves the plantation. They must destroy him! Note corrections already are being made, now people didn’t see what they saw and she didn’t wake up in his bed.
Besides he may not even win the nomination, those who are actively wishing for his failure are just sore there candidates are currently losing to novice in the pols. Just don’t be alarmed when they leak stories about your fav candidate
when he or she rises to the top!
maybe she was distraught because she was hoping cain would continue the relationship but told her it was a one time deal. or maybe she was distraught because she had a boyfriend at the time and he wouldn’t believe her that she slept at her bosses apartment and nothing happened. just because she appeared distraught doesn’t mean anything…
WOW – great deal of facts presented here. They saw a women get into a cab. Then she was POSSIBLY raped. But she settled for 35K. Sometime latter she appeared distraught at work. What a joke PJM is.
Hey PoliticoLite, I have a story for you.
A man I know tells me that an anonymous source he knows told him that I slept with Michelle Obama, smoked Barry’s weed, and left an upper-decker in the West-Wing bathroom.
Report that you hacks. It’s as good as what you call news.
Do you have anything other than the claims of these invisible sources?If so present it.If not stop bothering us with charges by cowards who want to be able to destroy a man’s reputation without presenting any evidence,and without exposing their credibility to objective inquiry.This is a despicable farce.Would you want someone to make these kinds of claims against you?This is not journalism.It’s gossip.
Sorry, I did not read all of the posts so I apologize if I repeat anything but the word “allegedely” is used way too much. What if, he and the woman just shared a cab ride? Is there any documentation that the woman actually went home with him?
I agree that Cain’s camp has not handled this well, but just chalk it up to rookie mistake.
Come on, you deleted my anonymous source story PoliticoLite.
What’s the matter? Not up to journalistic standards?
Sorry, you left those at the door with this story.
I want my anonymous 15 minutes of fame dog on it!
This story is a clear example of what this website will do to get “eye balls” and advertising dollars. AP, NYTimes, Politico (Washington Post)etc. and other Democrat propaganda arms of the current administration demonstrate how character assassination in done by false premises and their conclusions. If you have false premises, you have an invalid conclusion.
I teach Critical Thinking. Richard would get an F- in my University class. I believe that Mr. Pollock’s attack against Presidential candidate Herman Cain demonstrate what libel suits are based on. A fine American’s reputation is being destroyed by the written words of this website. We Americans deserve better. The media has become an entertainment business model. I thought that the internet would provide an avenue of justice and truth. Now, this was an incorrect belief on my part. This is an example of Begging the Question, Slippery slope, and other logical fallacies.
I will not change my views of Mr. Cain’s truthful. Why must Mr. Cain have to explain anything as he is under a confidential legal agreement. Why do we have media that specializes in character destruction to promote advertising dollars.
I have in comparison “real rape and sexual abusive hand signals and actions” men like Bill Clinton, Jon Edwards, Ted Kennedy, John Corzine, Elliot Spitzer,etc.
You teach critical thinking? Do you engage in it occasionally??
I just had an unsettling thought… The LA Times and Chicago Tribune managed to convince a leftist judge to UN-seal ‘sealed’ Ryan divorce papers against their mutual will because it was ‘in the public’s interest’.
So wouldn’t unsealing a sealed nondisclosure agreement like this be even easier for them? All it takes is one crooked judge…
pjmedia and politico and anyone involved with them are no longer to be trusted.
Pjmedia=huffpo
Never ever will I believe them again
Fire PJmedia
Does anyone know how I can block or add to my blacklist pjmedia.com?
Thanks for helping me prune my bookmarks PJ.
I think that it’s all a set up. If this was legit, they would keep this story has their “nuclear option” during the general election.
http://thebraverepublic.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/what-no-one-is-saying-about-herman-cain/
Here is a link to an excellent article by Peter Wehner in Commentary Contentions (and he’s no fan of Herman Cain): http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/11/03/the-medias-unseemly-glee-on-cain-story/#more-773297
As Spock would say..”Fascinating” ! The world is on the brink of implosion. Countries are rattling nuclear sabres, the world economy is about to tank, there are riots going on here in America, 40+ million folks are out of work and all you people have to talk about is whether Herman Cain got a little stinky on his dinky !!!! Get a friggin grip people. Bill Clinton, the worlds most notorious sex addict, raped women, had affairs with God only knows how many women, ruined peoples reputations, several people wound up dead and to top it all off the man was impeached and you people are bogged down in this silly crap ? Now we have somebody in the white house who in all probability isn’t a legal citizen, he’s a card carrying queer and cocaine user, he’s damn near destroyed the greatest economy the world has ever known. he has toppled other countries governments, murdered people from other nations AND here too, is doing his best to turn this country into a third world dictatorship, complete with a whole host of pedophiles, people who practice beastiality, kill people for the smallest infraction and you people are concerned about Herman Cain having a roll in the hay. THE MEDIA AND EVERYBODY WHO IS FOCUSED ON THIS BULLSHIT MAKE ME SICK. YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A SORRY BUNCH OF TATTLE TALE GOSSIPS WHO DON’T HAVE ENOUGH OF A LIFE AND OR CONCERN TO FOCUS ON REAL PROBLEMS THIS COUNTRY HAS. LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.
Who was driving the cab? Did it go off a bridge into a river? Did the driver then later claim to have dived in to save a women in the vehicle after being found standing around only hours later near the scene in DRY clothes and AFTER the driver/diver was informed a female body was found in the vehicle?
These are details PJM has to provide or they aren’t doing this investigation any justice.
Replace the word “CORRECTION” with “CREDIBILITY LOSS” and then see if you really think this “story” was worth posting. As of this comment there’s currently 3 CREDIBILITY LOSSES appended to the end of the “story.”
Let other news organizations dig up the dirt and take the loss of stature. THEN dig through it and try to get to truth. Don’t accidentally (or intentionally) become a part of the Mainstream Smear Machine (MSM) with poorly sourced, unverifiable reporting. That way you won’t have to take a CREDIBILITY LOSS every time a source doesn’t prove to be quite so reliable.
I seem to remember another woman who’s identity was protected by the media as she accused several members of a lacrosse team of rape…. Until she admitted that her accusations were bogus several long months later. But that was not before the real victims (the accused) were put through the ringer and spent boatloads of cash defending themselves from her false accusations. Therefore I will need to see and hear from this woman’s own mouth before I will believe another unsubstantiated report from any media source about rape, molestation or even murder. I will also insist on knowing who she is and what her political affiliations are. Without these facts this is just gossip geared to help someone politically.
PJM seems to be wallowing in the MSM’s penchant for smearing conservative politicians with vague and anonymous ad hominem attacks. Jumping in with both feet, actually. An anonymous person is allegedly prepared to destroy a man’s reputation and PJM, full of sanctimony, refuses to identify the person by name. Great. So noble and responsible.
Wow, I just read the article and then had to cross-reference everything with the myriad corrections that nobody will see. Please tell me, PJ – is anything in this story even true? What utterly irresponsible journalism.
Suppose we take the story at face value. Then Herman Cain and this anonymous woman both, individually, used bad judgment long, long ago. Each of their actions suggests the possibility that the person acting had bad motives. But the possibility remains that one or the other was just naive and/or drunk. This is all we know.
The Cain campaign didn’t handle it well. That’s what you get with an unprofessional politician. Much of Cain’s unprofessionalism is appealing but it works both ways.
Rush is now floating the hypothesis that the woman’s situation was one where she would have gotten in trouble going home drunk so Herman let her sleep it off in his apartment. But then she realized days later that she could get some money alleging that something happened….
My opinion following… she got a scum trial lawyer and proceeded to shake down the NRA who, as most do, settled out of court for $35K to avoid paying $50K to go to trial to prove Herman’s innocent.
She never went after Herman after that. If something has actually happened – she would not have stopped after wetting her beak on whatever she got from the $35K.
Not a Cain fan but i will not be coming here any longer. Your BIG corrections should have been placed in your headline because that is the story. You guys are sleazy.
Correction, correction, correction – sounds like a really bad story to begin with.
I have these thoughts on this –
1) I have to wonder with the current President – whom school records, voting records (plus State Senate records) withheld and a whole 154 days as a US Senator – why anyone uses the words, Properly Vetted and Experience at all with any other candidate. Ever.
2) With the ‘Liberal Lion’ of the Senate a known killer of a woman (not his wife at a party without wives) and with a serial sex offender (possible rapist) as the ‘best’ President of the past decade, why these anonymous, not overtly sexual ‘allegations’ are being called ‘news’ at all.
and finally
3) I find it amazing that this ‘story’ is just now coming out – Herman Cain’s been in the campaign for a while. Meanwhile in the 2008 election – the John Edwards affair was ignored by the media until it had become a joke.
Gutter politics only gets us a Gutter candidate. America deserves better than mudslinging, name calling but more importantly than lies and innuendo. I’d rather hear their ideas for fixing what has gone so seriously wrong than this garbage but then that would be news.
So, this whole story rests on the claims of two anonymous sources who “claim to be politically conservative”?
Brilliant. No wonder you went to print with it.
Well, at least this story is tamer than the foul-mouthed Ace of Spades blogger spreading rumors about Cain being a serial harasser and having an affair; then throwing a temper tantrum when called on his vicious gossip.
Goodbye, PJM. This is yellow journalism at it’s worst. Anonymous source ‘alleges’ x.
You should hang your heads in shame.
Wasn’t Charles Johnson one of the original founders of Pajamas Media? Chuck…. is that you?
Now that right there was funny.
Yes, he was. Then he went deranged. PJM is following suit.
I’ll get my VDH from elsewhere.
Agree! This “story” is appalling. And I’ve defended Politico elsewhere for breaking the original details. If Cain was accused of harassment,and it’s confirmed that he was, the voters have a right to know and he has the right to give his side of the story. It is absolutely pertinent to know stuff like this about a potential nominee, and the suggestion by some (Limbaugh, etc) that journalists should conceal all the embarrassing warts in candidates’ records from primary voters so that Repubs can’t weigh the pros & cons of all these guys & make their own educated choice for the best challenger to Obama is a sheer insanity. Limbaugh wants the Democrats to trot out these details in an October Surprise AFTER Republicans have already chosen their nominee and right before the General Election? WTF?
But this particularly story’s sourcing (and major revisions) makes the thinnest of such shockingly sour gruel that it stinks up the whole place. Unlike the Politico article, this CAN be called a smear job. How can anyone defend themselves against unsubstantiated third-hand office gossip when the “sources” don’t even agree on major details?
Seriously, is this the journalistic standard adhered to across the board at PJM now?
Just wow.
PJ media is an absolute joke of blog, written and maintain by a bunch of left-wing hack jobs. Where is the critical thinking and investigative spirt that “journalist” use to have? Oh that’s right it went away with the the last Presidential election. You guys stink!
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. YOU WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE POST TO CORRECT THE STORY? IS THE THE EFFING NYSLIMES? WHY DON’T YOU GUYS VET THE SOURCE, THE STORY AND ITS ACCURACY BEFORE YOU POST SOMETHING THAT IS SO WAY OFF THAT IT CHANGES THE ENTIRE NATURE OF THE ANECDOTE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
ok, here is what we know from this story. cain and a woman get into a cab together go home and she woke up. this tells us nothing, it doesnt sound like he forced her into the cab or i am sure there would be witnesses, and she woke up. well i wake up everyday to, or at least i have thus far. lol based on this information she may have just spent the night after drinking too much, or maybe they engaged in something, but it sounds consensual or it would have been a rape. therefore, because of his position of authority, she can claim sexual harrassment on nothing really. was cain stupid? probably, but i was in college and was stupid and woke up with a few women before my wife and i am sure i am not the only one. now he was married so his wife may be upset, but other than that i see no real story here. you want to see a real story look at WHAT obama has done, nominated for deputy attorney general David Ogden who defended child porn on the basis of free speech, and was quoted as saying that “childbirth is worse than abortion.” then you have science czar john holdren who wants to put sterilants in the water and believes in infanticide of children up to the age of two so to control the population to prevent climate change. oh and dont forget cass sustein that things animals and trees have a voice in court, and that hunting and fishing should be banned. of course this is just the tip of the ice berg with obama aka bill ayers, jeremaiah wright, tony rezco, etc therefore, i conclude this allegation holds no water on cain.
Since this is more anonymous sources, I’m going to give this story as much credence as the Politico story.
Come back when you have a real, verifiable scoop. Jeez.
Following this twisted scenario, we now have decades of “equal” women in the work force, well educated, ready to play in the real world with the guys (who better treat them differently at the same time), earn big salaries for responsible positions, etc., and yet don’t have the sense not to go home with the boss…still the casting couch then? Everyone’s equal but some are more equal than others! Reminds me of the unions who now have lifetime pensions equal to triple the daily earnings of the average person but find excuses to claim more.
With no witnesses any reporting from a prejudicial one side only approach is simply, for the time being, fueling the fire of smear and shake down tactics. Shame on “journalists” of our day.
“He originally said any allegations of his harassment of women are “totally baseless and totally false.””
As far as this joke of a story is concerned, he is right, totally baseless manure.
Let’s see. Some girl goes home with some guy and wakes in bed with him;
Is it rape, sexual harassment of sh*t happens?
Funny how it always seems to come up around election time. The Penis-in Chief Bill Clinton had something of a ‘woman’ problem and it only enhanced his eligibility. No story here, move along, move along………
Notice even this badly sourced article doesn’t claim that when the woman alledgely woke up in the corporate apartment that Cain was also there.
If he was claimed to be there , they would have mentioned it.
All a non story from a past incident where a woman decided to make accusations after she was fired.
You are now in New York Times and Washington Post (anonymous sources for scurrilous accusations).
I strongly suggest you think it over, and adopts local newspaper ethics, which require a real person with a real name to back up any allegations of wrongdoing. The story should be WHO accused WHO of doing WHAT, WHEN. This story is surfacing now because WHO contacted WHO and offered WHAT.
Have you ever been accused of false sexual harrasment allegations. I have and it’s a troubling situation.
Where do you think these animals get these ideas? From the cancer that has invaded our Universities. By these Goebbels influenced Professors. It’s not about Cain it’s about the war on the those who believe in the Tea Party Principals. You want a war – welcome to the revolution. Occupy Politico, NY Times, Washington Post and every local Democractic Office and the Rove Republican establishment.
so the basic gist…
girl goes home with cain, is victimized or demeaned, and then crashes at his place anyway? it all makes perfect sense.
i do gather he didn’t tie her up.
the ‘only’ reason i could imagine that the ‘victim’ doesn’t scramble, instead of nap, is because she is too drunk and needs to sleep it off.
her story comes down to a careful balance of how intoxicated she was, weighed against how threatened she was by cain’s behavior. she crashed on his couch…
her hangover was probably worse than the alleged advances of cain.
girl goes home with cain, is victimized or demeaned, and then crashes at his place anyway? it all makes perfect sense.
i do gather he didn’t tie her up.
the ‘only’ reason i could imagine that the ‘victim’ doesn’t scramble, instead of nap, is because she is too drunk and needs to sleep it off.
LOL. Doesn’t one usually, after taking a cab to get there, take a nap in the home of the “harasser” after being “sexually harassed”?
I wonder if she even knew where she was when she regained consciousness. I wonder if she had breakfast before leaving. I wonder how she got home. Did she call a cab or what?
So many questions. I’m sure we’ll get all of the details and everything will be cleared up, right?
Unnamed sources = phony poltical attack
Get real sources that know how to do interviews , otherwise you just look like your working for Rove or Obama
PJM = SOROS
S C R E W YOU GUYS! IM DONE WITH YOU! BURN IN H E L L!
Hollywood moguls were creative in preventing themselves and their staff from being accused of sexual misbehavior. Before an actress was hired she had to be filmed in a sex orgy with a few members of the staff. Some refused and the others went onto stardom. It doesn’t take a Hollywood mogul to film a porno of potential employees; any camcorder will do the trick.
So perhaps a young woman has a bit too much at the party, and thank goodness the boss offers her a place to sleep it off. He’s a good man, moral and ethical and religious, and married. She can trust him!
Well, turned out she couldn’t, and that makes her a whore.
C’mon, neither of us live in the 17th century.
A man invites a woman home to his apartment after a night of drinking. The assumption is he’s inviting her to have sex.
btw…
the reason the woman does not want to come foward:
imho, we would find she has a history of similar cases. if a pattern is used to indict cain, let’s get a good look at the accuser.
One other thing. One things these lawyers and liars forgot about is BREITBART. If you don’t think he is on the trail then you’re blind as a bat. Here’s Andrew.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that NRA would have fired Herman Cain over these sexual harassment claims if not for Affirmative Action? If Herman Cain had been white, would NRA kept him on after having to pay these women claim settlements?
The most likely scenario (regardless of race) is the NRA would have asked him to quietly step down. “I’ve decided to step down to pursue other opportunities/spend more time with my family/spend more time at Godfathers/etc…”
The fact that Cain remained at the NRA for many years after these incidents would indicate that, for whatever reason, the board didn’t consider them to be a big deal.
um Corrections? Shouldn’t it say RETRACTION? You misreported two false, or unproven facts and call mentioning said error a correction? At the end of the post?! Holy crap. The RETRACTIONS should be on the front page in the headline. Might as well have buried the corrections on my inconsequential blog.
Well, I guess when you took off your pajamas, you really did go mainstream media on us. Screw you. And FWIW, I’m not even a Cain supporter.
This entire thing is a huge distraction unless these alleged women come out in the open. If they aren’t willing to do that, I think this is going to backfire on those reporting this. I don’t want to read stories about anonymous, alleged, etc. The country is going to hell, because we have an impostor who’s the son of Malcolm X in the White House. How about reporting on that?
Bâri′, Barry, Barack
by Martha Trowbridge
http://terribletruth.wordpress.com/
Politico,
A so called president, lying about his true identity might be a more serious issue. Now, I’m not stupid, Obama is hiding something. How about you do your civic duty, and come clean about this man who’s trying his hardest to destroy this country. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it?
I’m seeing a Clarence Thomas redux. So far there is nothing but innuendo, speculation and hearsay.
When you have something solid, let me know. In the meantime, I am considering the source of these allegations — Politico — and drawing my own conclusions.
We on the right need to stop cooperating with the media and the Left (but I repeat myself) in our own destruction.
“She woke up.” Now … are we quite certain of that? We have now gone from odd non-sexual gestures to possible rape. What’s next?
Politico has handled this very poorly. If the allegations might be true, but they didn’t have the goods, they should have sought the truth before they went off half cocked.
The legacy media, as ussual, is exposing its self as the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. We can rant and rave about the unfairness of it all, but until their bottom line is damaged and they can be forced into bankruptcy, it won’t matter.
The legacy media ignored the repeated sexual assaults of Bill Clinton, and the picadillios of dozens of other Democrats, and seized on Cain. If Cain did truely sexually abuse an employee, then he is disqualified to be President. Politico hasn’t proven that, not by a long shot.
We shall have to see what more comes out.
So now she didn’t wake up in his bed, and there was no taxi witness? This is getting weaker and weaker. I think you’ve been had.
These corrections seriously change the story. The fact of a correction should be noted in the headline.
BREAKING: Richard Pollock was seen having sexual congress with a cow 20 years ago.
…
Correction: Okay, he wasn’t actually seen with the cow. Rumor has it that he might have smiled after eating a hamburger. BUT THIS ALLEGATION IS TOO IMPORTANT TO IGNORE AND I’VE GOT TO BEAT THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER TO THE PUNCH!!!!
Do blogs now have sweeps weeks?
…, merely looks like mr. cain has an expensive taste in women …
I concur with Phineas. You need to note the corrections in the title. Allegations, innuendo and hearsay are not adequate to justify the destruction of a man’s reputation.
Herman did not have a chance to become the nominee, even if these allegations didn’t come out. Same goes for Ron Paul. you people need to get a grip.Romney is the man, because that is the way it is going to be. Like it or not.
Why am I getting the eerie feeling that Charles Johnson has taken a place somewhere at the helm of PJMedia? First the name change, now breaking the eleventh commandment … Is this supposed to be jumping of the shark propagandizing? Or honest reporting? Because if it’s the latter it’s sorely lacking in those (oddly necessary for good reporting) things called “facts”!
Haven’t been back to LGF in years, the further PJM leans left the more I will stay away from here too. (Yea I know … “don’t let the door hit me”, yada yada)
My judgement is reserved for now, on both the Cain issue and the “PJM seemingly going full lefty media” issue.
Just in – Herman Cain was at a Duke Lacross party last night. They had strippers in and a rape took place. He was also seen recently at a hotel with Kobe Bryant. Kobe and Herman raped a young girl. Her panties will tell all.
Really PJmedia? This is what you’ve got? Feeding the ‘divide and conquer’ progressive monster with this unsubstantiated crap?
Disappointing. Disheartening. Distracting.
Wonderful. No we gather around Mr. Cain burning in the fire of speculation, and keep poking the ashes to see what kind of sparks will emerge.
Soon, new allegation swill arise. People speaking on behalf of un-named others, or their near acquaintances. Why bother with facts, or proof when there is so much to be done! (or someone to be done in)
And always the media, telling you in the subtext of its stories: It’s not about what happened, it’s about how we want you to feel!
Would he be a good chief executive? Who even asks that question anymore? Nowadays, surviving the media ‘feelings’ gauntlet is the Darwinian test of a candidate’s ability to lead the country.
Sad.
All that was reported originally was that a woman accused Cain of sexual harassment and there was a cash settlement. This is a FACT, not a smear. It happened and no one disputes it. Calling this a racist liberal media smear is absolutely ridiculous and no serious person would do it.
This HAPPENED. The details aren’t known, but money was given to a woman as a settlement for alleged sexual harassment. If that is not a newsworthy story, then what is?
Two boarder agents shot dead by guns that the ATF sold to Mexican drug cartels and a White House that denies knowledge yet vanishes their national security adviser to Iraq after after sources confirmed that the adviser was briefed on the program.
Oh, and throw in a CBS editor and his journalist who broke the story getting screamed at by the White House, and having the journalist pulled from the story and made “unavailable for comment”.
Yeah, nothing to see there folks. Cain let a staffer crash at his place after a party 1999. Everyone needs to know about that instead.
By the way: Way to perpetuate the lowest common denominator, PJM. You have become the slime that you were intended to rise above.
Herman Cain is a street hustler ina 3 piece suit. He is a con man, grifer, fleece artist, and his pizza tastes terrible. He is making the Republican party look like fools. As a Dem, I would love for this tool to win the nomination. He is ignorant and proud of it… In other words, a perfect teabagger.
“As a Dem…”
That’s all you had to say. Everyone knows your opinion.
Totally agree. The Dems are positively drooling at the idea of a Cain nomination, if it can’t be Bachmann.
Well, better than a street hustler in mom jeans. You’re ignorant and proud of it… In other words, a perfect fleabagger.
So, that is what a teabagger is. I’ve been wondering all this time. So as a matter of matching wits you sir, are a teabagging asshole.
Alternate title for this article:
“How To Piss Away Your Media Organization’s Credibility in One Easy Step”
Correct= Once again the zeal to be first overrules accuracy as shown by two corrections (so far)
I see PJM is joining with Politico and Ace, of Ass of Spades, in the high-tech lynching of Herman Cain, with a bunch of hooded “sources”.
Wonder if all those blogs parroting PJM in the trackbacks are also reporting their Retrac..corrections ? Maybe this site will just let it go huh?
I would just LOVE to see how his defenders here and elsewhere would react if it were their daughter, or girlfriend, or wife this clown hit on in a professional environment.
It’s not going to be long before all those kneejerk donors who have been inundating him with contributions these last few days suddenly wake up to just who and what it is they’re supporting in Herman Cain. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when those epiphanies take place.
Of course, coming from a party that doesn’t seem to mind elevating dolts like Palin, Bachmann, and Cain to the national spotlight, it wouldn’t be surprising if they keep sending him their money. And that will be just fine with me. Go for it, folks. I’m begging you.
Those are my exact thoughts about Bill Clinton.
“Both sources claim to be politically conservative”
Sounds like you’re not even sure about the honesty of your sources.
The Club Of Wild Women will be meeting at Susan McDougal’s residence next Wednesday to honor Jennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky. Up for grabs, however, is the Adulterers Award – the award includes an autographed copy of Consenting Adulterers Anonymous and a handwritten note by Arnold, Bill and dozens of Kennedys. Admission by invitation only.
Anyone using this story as a basis for any kind of decision on what may have happened would be sadly misled. Actually, this piuece states some observations of witnesses in a fairly fuzzy way. You really can’t conclude anything from this piece except to say that there “may” have been an interation between Cain and a women in his organization. We don’t actually “know” anything for sure. If Cain did in fact appropriately interact with someone in the National Restaurant Association and it was hushed up to protect him then he is unfit to be president. One Clinton is enough. However, we don’t know that is what happened…in fact unless the NRA releases information or until the women involved dislose what really happened, we can’t judge. I, for one, am keeping an open mind to see what develops. At the very least, if this is an open question when and if Cain is on a ballot,then that would probably affect my vote.
You’re missing the real story here, this is all smoke and mirrors. Cain and his campaign are being investigated for felony campaign violations. And for the fiscal conservatives, he supported TARP! For Republicans in general, Cain cannot stay on message to save his life. He would be destroyed by the media and Liberals and a nomination for Cain will equal four more years of Obama. There is absolutely no question about it. Just the other night he was on O’Reilly’s show talking about getting into a shooting war with Iran, I mean really. Sorry Mr. Cain, this isn’t throwing pizza’s in an oven, this would be sending our brave men and women into the oven of Iran.
If you care about our country, if you want Obama out you WILL NOT vote for Herman Cain. He is a shister, snake oil salesman and is preying off of well intentioned supporters by taking their money when he knows this is nothing more than self promotion. He’s probably saying to himself, “Wow, I never imagined I would get this far and my supporters could be so dumb as to go along with this. Crap, I may actually have a chance at winning this here. Mark Block and the Koch brothers, what do I do now?”
When I think shister, snake oil salesman I actually think of Romney.
Rancher, you make a valid point and I’ll raise you Perry and double down on Cain!
So perhaps a young woman has a bit too much at the party, and thank goodness the boss offers her a place to sleep it off. He’s a good man, moral and ethical and religious, and married. She can trust him!
Well, turned out she couldn’t, and that makes her a whore.
She and all women need to read this thread. Men cannot be trusted, no matter how right-wing, religious, moral and ethical they may appear. If they can get you alone, they WILL take advantage of you, especially if you are young and stupid and drunk. Afterwards, you will be labeled a slut. The man is innocent, because he is simply being a man.
I’m assuming we’re supposed to feel this way about Cain and Clinton both.
Them “men folk” should all be considered guilty until proven innocent. Autonomous accusations are enough to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Get a rope.
From this article:
****Mr. Cain has steadfastly denied that he harassed any female employees at the National Restaurant Association when he was president. He originally said any allegations of his harassment of women are “totally baseless and totally false.”
(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)*****
Jesus wept, PJM. I thought it was bad enough that you had stooped to the lowest common denominator in an effort milk this story, but now you have been partner in spreading utter bull crap. 99% of your readers won’t be coming back for the corrections that change your story completely. You utter jackasses.
Hang your heads in shame.
I can read Victor David Hansen elsewhere. You’ve lost all credibility.
From this article:
****Mr. Cain has steadfastly denied that he harassed any female employees at the National Restaurant Association when he was president. He originally said any allegations of his harassment of women are “totally baseless and totally false.”
(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)*****
Jesus wept, PJM. I thought it was bad enough that you had stooped to the lowest common denominator in an effort milk this story, but now you have been partner in spreading utter lies. 99% of your readers won’t be coming back for the corrections that change your story completely. You dopes. You children.
Hang your heads in shame.
And just how much money did the lawyer make in these deals; no doubt 50% to 60% so the girls got only four to six months pay.
It’s sounds more like a shakedown of Herman to me. How does the guy quoted know they went to his apartment? She arrived at work “distraught” several days later? Maybe she was fired or had bad reviews. The comments that every other Republican and Democratic campaign flak is writing are BS.
Good luck though since Herman is raising more money and rising in the polls.
So far we have no proof of anything. Nothing, zilch, zero, nada. Cain says the above never happened; everything at this time is hearsay. Has the NRA even acknowledged the severance agreement or are they saying that their policy is to not to comment on such agreements? I want hard evidence of something before I pass any judgment on Mr. Cain.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that if the woman was inebriated, and Mr. Cain either (a) let her drive; or (b) put her in a cab,intoxicated, what a major liability risk that would have been at the time???
I’m now an employer, and every time we have an outing I am on edge when people drink too much, because god forbid they get in a cab or try to hop on the subway, hurt themselves, and then I get stuck with a lawsuit.
Oh, and when I lived in the city, I have had both my former bosses and my employees crash at my house on a night out after the last train has left the city and they are not fit to drive. And I’m a woman. So sheesh, people, don’t read into anything facts that are not there. But, FWIW, I can see an unscrupulous employee who perhaps is worried that her job might be on the line for some other reason (or did something inappropriate herself at the bar) trying to make a preemptive claim so that it becomes a he said/she said. (I had a woman try to sabotage me at work this way once; she messed up a project, was worried I would call her on it with the boss, and got to him first whining about how mean and hostile I was, blah blah, HR had to do an investigation…moronic). Until one of these women actually steps up and says something, on the record–and if she breaches confidentiality, I’m sure some left-wing organization will pay her back the damages–I’m not buying it.
C’mon, we’re not in the 17th century. Doesn’t matter if a man is right-wing or left-wing, Christian or atheist, a mechanic or a minister, married or single. If he invites a woman to sleep it off at his place, he’s asking for sex. Period. Any woman who accepts his offer is consenting to sex. Period. End of story.
If the woman accepts – again, doesn’t matter his politics, doesn’t matter his religion, doesn’t matter his marital status – he’s an innocent man. She’s a whore.
Wrong, I’ve let young ladies sleep it off on my couch and their boyfriends didn’t even have a problem with it. Judge your motives not mine.
Haven’t you been reading this thread? Men don’t invite women home unless they are expecting sex, even if they pretend to only be offering a safe place to sleep it off. Women who accept the invitations are whores.
If any young ladies accepted your invitation, their boyfriends should be worried, because they are whores who anticipated having sex with you.
Scroll around on this thread and see for yourself.
Some folks are idiots, sure enough.
Robert Frost wrote in The Secret Sits,
Can we get away from the ring? Or at least wait to dance until the music starts?
I was taught the nice girls don’t go off with a man to his place, first of all, and 2nd that you don’t have sex before marriage! Plus it is not right for a man to do the same! Seems to me that is the way to stay out of trouble and not mess up YOUR life and someone else’s. Sometimes the OLD ways are still the best! So tired of the immorality of today! PLUS we have to realize that ppl DO change. THIS was years ago! JFK carried on his affairs while IN THE WHITE HOUSE, so did CLINTON! Obama is a liar, and not even a proven citizen ( he wasn’t born in Kenya, because kenya wasn’t the name of the nation at the time, so he is right in the NAME only!), and he is a racist as well!
I wonder how much these women got paid by the left to destroy a man’s reputation??
the hells broke loose in Georgia and the devil deals the cards
Why are Republicans in the US devouring each other? Cain is bad. Perry is bad. Even Romney is bad (as the RINO he is). Keep up devouring each other. Obama thanks. Stop with this nonsense. You may regret later.
Having sex with a co-worker/colleague may be a bit tacky and “work taboo” for some, but it IS NOT SEXUAL HARASSMENT. Harassment: verb – 1) : to annoy persistently.
How is this a breaking story? I just wasted time reading this and there wasn’t even any info of any value within it. These rumors also don’t even jive with the original Politico story.
There might be something to these rumors, but until some actual facts and statements come out it’s completely inappropriate to be publishing anything like this.
And it’s okay to withhold the girl’s name, but implying terrible things about people without the slightest shred of evidence is up to your journalistic standards? I’m not even a Cain fan but this is ridiculous.
You are entirely correct. I have a number of problems with the timing, and the details, of these 15 year old alleged infractions…as someone who spent 10 years investigating sexual harassment claims, at the height of the Anita Hill-driven claim “bubble”, there are many problems with these allegations. Perhaps he did something in appropriate (as, sadly, MOST men seemed to be doing in the early 1990s)–but unless or until some proof can be offered, it is terribly irresponsible and malicious to print these things.
And if you can’t handle your liquor–skip the party and go home to your own bed. You don’t get a complete pass on responsibility because you’re drunk and/or female.
I only know three things: 1) whomever we nominate, including the Archangel Michael himself, the Democrats and their wholly owned subsidiary – the MFM – will move heaven and earth to discredit, defame and destroy them. And at least half our citizens are unengaged or stupid enough to to accept the defamation without skepticism or any semblance of critical thought; 2) since the escapades of Bill Clinton, the issue of inappropriate behavior with regards to women – in any universe (parallel or not) that still believes in the true meaning of the word ‘Fairness’ – should be off the table. Period. And 3) I know, as deeply as I know anything, that this universe does not exist and the selfsame MFM, cited in 1) above will baldfacedly, shamelessly and with malevolence exploit any sexual inappropriateness with full and willful intent to destroy the target – if he/she has an (R) behind their name.
Those 3 statements being true to anyone with the requisite 2 brain cells capable of occasionally colliding and generating a thought should beg the question – how the f*** does our country survive with such a rigged playing field?
“1) whomever we nominate, including the Archangel Michael himself, the Democrats and their wholly owned subsidiary – the MFM – will move heaven and earth to discredit, defame and destroy them. ”
There’s only one solution. Republicans and their media battalion (Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc.) have to get off their butts and start moving heaven and earth to discredit, defame and destroy Democrats!
Oh wait…
IF he is guilty of these things, we should not support him or cover for him. We should be better than the Democrats.
Innocent until proven guilty? Or just not as long as it is a Conservative?
One other thing bothers me about all this internecine warfare going on among conservatives. Isn’t the fact that the entire culture – media, information, entertainment, education – is arrayed against the conservative cause reason enough to give pause and stop us machinegunning each other? When Custer’s troops were cutoff and surrounded on the ridge above the Little Big Horn – WAS THAT THE TIME FOR THEM TO SETTLE SCORES AMONG EACH OTHER????? Or was that the time to perhaps focus on the immmediate threat…the threat of disembowelment and scalping and all that good old massacre stuff…and start shooting at all the f*@!ing Indians all around them.
Just a thought.
I like it , great idea.
One of the Indians who fought at the Greasy Grass said
that the gods gave them their victory; When the Long Knives
saw that they were surrounded, the began shooting themselves,
to avoid the massacre stuff.
The USMC uses the term ‘Condition Black’ to describe catastrophic
breakdown of mental and physical performance brought on by going
from a state of safety to one of deadly danger too quickly.
The Republicans stayed in denial until change was right in their face,
and then panicked; do not expect them to act rationally.
I find it curious that the story says “she woke up in his bed”. not that she woke up in bed next to him.
When my wife and I have guests, we often give them our room and we stay in the guest room.
Did you read the corrections?
Yeah, it was a load of bull, like the rest of the story…
This is one more example of anonymous attacks…name the name tell the wholw story…if someone is telling it then report it….with names stop this BS. If you want to report something do so with facts not inuendo and conjecture.
Why are you all beating up the messenger? You should be asking your candidate to come out with the full story and to hear both sides. When this first came out, I wouldn’t agree with this but now that Cain has gone out and lied about the situation and then disparaged the women, they should be allowed to defend themselves. Cain himself confirmed the Politico story.
In addition, the other outlet to blame for the women not coming out is the media who are hounding them as we speak. I mean, my God, they can’t even go to their own homes. Cain created this for them by not coming out in the beginning, saying “Yes, there were allegations, we mutually resolved them to protect each other and the NRA.” or something of the sort. End of story. Nothing further would have came out of it. The women wouldn’t have felt cheapened.
Instead he comes out telling some stupid story about all his did was say “Hey, you’re about the same height as my wife.” Honestly, if that was all there was to it, nothing would have been done and no settlement would have been made. And I’m sorry, but it wasn’t just one woman, now it’s 3 and just recently, Politico has more than six sources that congirm the allegations.
Cain came out saying he wanted to face his accusers, then today the Cain camp said they do not want the women to speak out.
Blame Cain for the way he’s handling it. What’s the really sad thing about it, here you are blaming the messenger and worse, the women. Did you ever think it’s possible it did happen? We don’t know. But if it did, blaming the women is not right. This is why so many do not come forward, why so many do not file charges. Many of you feel the women did it for the money. Maybe but think about it, if they really were money grubbing, where are they?. I’m sure most media outlets would pay them a small fortune. They could break their confidentiality agreement and just go for it. But they’re not.
Now, Cain is trying to cause a diversion by blaming another campaign with no evidence whatsoever. It’s a murder/suicide scenario playing out and most of you are condoning it. Wonder how you’d feel if it was Perry or Gingrich in the hot seat, taking Cain down with them.
What lies? First he said he needed more information before commenting on the story. The idea that he had ten days notice is wrong because he wasn’t given much information when questioned by Politico, he just knew something was coming, not what. Later, after trying to recall something that happened years ago, after knowing more details, he commented on it and said he knew nothing of a settlement, which in legalese means no legal agreement. He knew money had been given although not exactly how much but that was an agreement not a legal settlement because apparently she never filed charges, she only made allegations. We still don’t even know what the allegations were but the organization apparently didn’t think there was anything of substance or Cain would have been at least reprimanded. So far we don’t know anything other than an allegation was made and money changed hands.