Black President, White Fears
I remember this delightful elderly white woman who, after Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination, looked into the television camera and told America that she would never vote for him because “he’d only take care of the blacks.” Now that Obama has been elected, I’m picking up on self-pity, worry, paranoia, resentment, and victimhood among some white Americans, especially thin-skinned white males.
These folks need to chill out. They haven’t lost anything, except perhaps a little perspective. After all, African-Americans have somehow muddled through 43 white male presidents over more than 200 years, and they’ve survived. White Americans are two weeks into the tenure of the first black president, and already some are coming unglued. Lately, white males are upset over:
- The comments by former Labor Secretary Robert Reich who, in testifying before Congress on President Obama’s plan to create jobs, expressed his hope that “these jobs not simply go to high-skilled professionals or to white male construction workers.”
- The admission by former Republican National Committee Chairman Rich Bond that the GOP has to reach out to minorities because “not everybody comes from the same constituency as a majority-white homogeneous district in the South where all people care about is keeping their guns and taxes.”
- The announcement by CNN’s Larry King that his eight-year-old son Cannon — after watching Obama’s inauguration — “now says that he would like to be black.” To which King noted, “There’s a lot of advantages to being black. Black is in.”
- The goading by Tom Brokaw, who, during an appearance on MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Inauguration Day, said, “Having been in the South in the 60s and Los Angeles and Watts and northern urban areas, umm, uh, when we were evolving as a country, I’m thinking of all the bigots and the rednecks and all the people that I met along the way, and I’m saying to them, ‘Take this.’”
Navarrete is just stirring up the pot. Let’s wait for the comments.
Obama’s ability to move effortlessly between white and black groups is the key to his success. If he were “too black” white people wouldn’t trust him, and vice versa. I admire his ability to build a cult around himself, although I hope for his sake he can at least bring the illusion of progress, because if he doesn’t that mob he built for himself will turn against him in a horrible fashion.
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It’s true that comments like “he’d only take care of the blacks” are idiotic and bigoted.
However, what you’re doing in this article seems to be the standard liberal strategy at the moment. Namely, to portray conservatives who voted against him as racist. Or at least, imply that large sections of the population voted against him because of his race.
Having travelled around the South recently I can tell you that the biggest problem white Southerners have with him is that they believe he is an arch-leftist, and they hate him for it.
Two other things are worth keeping in mind. First, many of the quotes you describe are from anonymous people – anonymous I assume even to you.
Second, your strategy of using actual examples of “white male bashing” to disprove the concerns of white males seems strange, to say the least.
Third, let’s not forget that many – perhaps most – of Obamas supporters were supporters precisely because of his race, at least in part.
Finally, Obama himself has made much of his race as in issue (“I’m not like those other guys”).
So the argument that Obama is just a regular guy whose race is irrelevant and the only people talking about race are paranoid white guys just doesn’t fit with the facts. Even the facts presented in your own argile.
Stupid and racist.
The only color people should see when looking at Obama is RED.
I admit that race has affected how I speak about Obama. I would have been much more vocal in my opposition to him if I didn’t have to worry about people concluding that I was a racist because of it.
As it is, I think liberals should stop congratulating themselves about electing someone of a darker skin tone than usual, and hope he’s got something going for him besides that. If he does, I haven’t seen it yet.
Was ANY of this post even necessary?
Barack is a racist. He HATES his white self and he HATES white people. Period. Do I have to bring up quotes and links to back the OBVIOUS up?
Good frickin’ grief, Ruben. You are [and I say this with as much genteel, lady-like aplomb) ‘TARDED.
Personally I don’t give a damn what color the man is. I judge a man by character and results. So far this guys gets ZERO marks from me. The character is Chicago thug.. the results are all about “me, me, me.” Not much there folks. Sorry, but I think we elected a real loser.
Mr. Navarette views the world through the lens of race. He can’t help it. For him character, behavior, and values will always take a back seat to identity group politics. I’d pity him for being trapped in his myopic small-mindedness were it not for the damage people like him have done to our society.
Ruben Navarrette Jr. conveniently forgets that Barack Obama only won the presidency because of white guilt and minority “it’s our turn” sense of entitlement. Why shouldn’t a reasonable citizen be concerned when they know full well that he captured the White House primarily due to his skin color—and not his virtues and accomplishments? And now the new president is proving to be utterly incompetent. He’s obviously not ready for prime time. And yet, we are stuck with him for the next four years. Things are getting so bad that we may soon look back to the era of Jimmy Carter with fondness.
Most minorities and white “elites” have every intention to stick it good and hard to the typical white American. Folks like Larry King and Tom Brokaw want to feel good about themselves. They also have no intention of paying a price for their indulgence in immature sentimentality. No, this will be passed along to the white hoi polloi. The racist bigot David Duke, alas, will most assuredly take full advantage of the situation.
This is Democrat agitprop. No one is complaining about his race. And the author of this blog post should be ashamed of himself.
We are complaining about this Communist Coup that is in the making and of which Obama is the key figurehead. If there is racial aspect surrounding him, it is his racism.
Moreover, Obama is just a front man for the Hard Left, and as such is but extreme manifestation of all of the hideous emotional, intellectual and spiritual pathologies of Socialist and Communist elites, and this is true no matter what perverted twist his own bizarre personal history may add to the sicknesses of the soul that are part and parcel of his Marxist faith. It is they that are racists: They hate whites. They hate them because they hate Western Civilization, which is to say that they hate the Good, True and Beautiful. They hate God himself and all his creation. They mean the ruination of us all, particularity the white race. But you say, “But they are mostly white!”. Yes, that is true. Why is this? Because behind their hatred of all the good, true and beautiful, behind their hatred of God, is self-hatred, self-loathing and a burning desire for self-immolation. Self destruction is their guiding principle so of course they hate Western Civilization and the race that founded her. That they are also propelled by greed, lust and power grubbing does not contradict this virulent sickness within them.
You points are laughable on the face of them. Mr. Navrrete, and if you really think that these are the issues then you are a fool.
However, I believe that you are merely spewing out propaganda to muddy the waters, and frankly I find it irksome that you are even given a voice on this forum so that you might do this. Above all however, it betrays your own racism and detestation of the white race. Here you reflexively and automatically attribute racism to whites merely for voicing what are valid and common sensical opinions, and nothing could be a more striking articulation of this vileness in your character than you assertion that complaints about Reich’s comments are “overly sensitive”, prickly or somehow inappropriate. In fact, Reich’s comments are of the lowest sorts of public utterances, and in a decent society he would be publicly humiliated and ostracized, as he would have been in this country until recent times. That Reich feels comfortable making this assertion before Congress should tell us all we need to know about racism and the Democratic Party, and the current moral decadence in our government.
(I will also add, that as a Jewish American, Reich should feel particular shame here. Were he possessed of any manhood whatsoever, he would have publicly and abjectly apologized to the Nation for is racist comments and intent. He has not done so.)
Rubin, you invert reality here, you do it to deflect and distract, and you do it willfully.
Reich made the racist comment, not “white Americans”, and whites have every right–indeed a duty–to object to it. You should be ashamed of yourself for indulging is such puerile rhetorical tricks, not to mention your open racism against whites.
There is a crucial misconception here: Taken as a race the “white race” has created the greatest civilization in history. <iTaken as a race The black race is welcome to join us, cherish that civilization and humbly add their contributions to it. They are not welcome no aid in its destruction. They are not welcomes to be treated as a pampered and protected race. They are not welcome to exaggerate the rather meager and superficial contributions that they have heretofore made to this great civilization. They are not welcome to immiserate us all or degrade our civilization because of events that took place 300 years ago, or imagined slights which occurred yesterday. They are not welcome to force us to squint our eyes and pretend that things are other than they are. They are not welcome to imagine that anyone on this earth owes them anything other than the respect that they earn for themselves. They are welcome to act like reasonable, responsible adults and decent citizens. They are welcome to grow up and sober up.
The black expeience in history is not any more burdened by oppression and suffering than any other race or ethinc group, as the Celtic experience in the British Empire and America can well atest too. African Americans need to face this clear and simple truth.
The Democrat party has cynically seized upon the Black race as a weapon to attack Western Civilization, just has their coreligionists in the EU have now seized upon Muslims toward the same end. In actual fact, there has been no other race or ethnic group in this country that has been so indulged or coddled as African Americans. Our collective inability to confront the adolescent, childish and profoundly neurotic sense of grievances and entitlement that the African American community carries around with themselves–a collective neurosis that we would not tolerate from any other group–has cost us dearly. This “protected race” status of Afro Americans has done great damage: We have perverted our educational system with pseudo-knowledge, cant and lowered standards to “accommodate” them. In the case of Affirmative Action, we have ignored the constitution and thus broken our covenants with past and future generations. We have forced ourselves to live lies. We have tolerated lies about our civilization and race which distort and degrade it and us.
Now we may pay the ultimate price for our indulgences, we have elected an Affirmative Action President who has an Affirmative Action Wife, both of whom, to the extent that they comprehend them, hate this nation, hate it its creators, hate it laws, hate it culture, hate is traditions and, above all, hate the great civilization from whence the nation arose. The Republic may not survive them and the puppet masters that pull their strings.
As to King’s son, well, any reasonable child would want to be anything other than Larry King. Were it me, I would be headed out that door on the day I reach my majority.
Mister King, however, should wash that kid’s mouth out with soap. He should do this after he wipes the suds from his own mouth.
“…a black (half-black) president has been elected. Revenge is sweet. It is payback time.”
Reminds one of the first OJ Simpson trial, doesn’t it? That “vote” cast a pox upon America that has only recently been alleviated.
We have 4 years to live with the results of this latest (reverse) racist result.
If the first 2 weeks are any indication at all, the consequences of the “affirnative action” vote for Obama shall be ominous.
Typical racist left wing gobbly-gook.
I thought this was a satire piece until I read the comments section. Really, I was laughing out loud at the clever contrast between “there’s nothing to fear” and all the bigoted remarks about payback for redneck hicks.
The formerly Indonesian morbidly racist self and own-culture loathing moronic mobbed-up murtadd Muslim Marxist messiah wannabe and Saul Alinskyist empty galabia pretender to the presidency has provided the answer to Mr King’s prayers, has been judged only by the content of his “character” — and has come up so damned short he makes Robert Reisch-ccchhhhah look tall!
And Barney’s Fwank and Chris Dodd look honest.
And Schmuck Schumer and Jimmah Cartah and Joe Biden seem smart.
And the recidivist RICO-racketeering treasonous lying looting thieving mass-murdering co-serial rapist Cli’ton Crime Family seem like patriots.
And Mr Junior Navarrette seem like he projecteth too much.
And so on ….
Brian Richard Allen
Sounds like his race is influencing you too, Mr. Navarette. Perhaps you should try practicing what you preach. Forget about race and simply consider actions, associates, policies, and character instead.
Affirmative action, set asides, political correctness etc. have all been brought to you by white dudes in office. and for the most part those white dudes have been democrats who I need not point out control the government. It won’t get a whole lot worse, maybe.
You will notice the Authors last name is not English , Irish , German, French or Italian so He is biasly saying what many Black , Hespanics and Minorieties are quietly saying ….We hate that Whites are 56 % of the Population and we want them to be a Minoriety as well .AFTER ALL HESPANICS ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS AS IS OBAMA ….Then Blacks and Hespanic’s can rule the White Man .
Then maybe They can ”SCREW UP’America as bad as Mexico and Africa has been for 3000 years .
87 % of this new so called Stimulus B/S Bill is about Minority “Social Welfare’ programs ….Duh !
Damn right we are afraid .”"We “” PAY TAXES !
No go have a Tocco Ruben Navarrette Jr.
The irony is, Obama is an arrogant white boy who just happened to have had an African father. Look at his behavior, how he pouts, his absurdly thin skin, his sense of entitlement. No, sadly, the First Black President is a spoiled white boy.
You’re also reaching with that “blacks and Mexican-Americans” stuff. In my corner of California, there is no love lost between blacks and Mexicans.
Obama has as much call on being the 44th white president as being the 1st black……
Whatever happened to not caring about color? Frankly, I don’t, except as SeanLA said, when I look at him the only color I see is RED.
8. RE:
“Mr. Navarette views the world through the lens of race. He can’t help it. For him character, behavior, and values will always take a back seat to identity group politics. I’d pity him for being trapped in his myopic small-mindedness were it not for the damage people like him have done to our society.”
Spot on. (times 10)
Obama is the typical, self-loathing liberal. Rush is correct when he says, there are no happy ‘libs’. Problem is, they want us to share their miserable plight.
Where race plays a role for my family already, is the smug attitude of Blacks in the street. That is why BHO is going to set race relations back, generations.
Friends who think I am racist are mistaken. This is about America as it was founded or living a pathetic, Euro style life. They get away with it because the U.S. provides the umbrella of protection.
Secession now! Texas, S.Carolina?????? Anyone?
I would have voted against Obama if he looked like Edgar Winter. It was his callous disregard for the unborn that did it for me.
So let’s get this straight. If the American people question Obama’s Marxist/Socialist actions (nationalizing banks, nationalizing the auto industry, nationalizing healthcare, nationalizing the housing industry) then the American people are racist? It’s Obama’s subtle use of his race to fend off probing questions during the Presidential race that I view as racist. Now we are to allow him to promote and get pass this porkulus bill enabling the government – with the approval of only THREE left wing Republicans IN THE ENTIRE CONGRESS – to launch the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of our country? My dissent has nothing to do with race; his policies will destroy America and take us towards the Amerikan Socialist Republic. His Marxist/Socialist moves must be pointed out – LOUDLY.
I’m not sure why supporters of Obama think that his skin color alone grants him immunity from criticism.
The concerns I hear expressed–that he is arrogant, in over his head, spineless–are not terms that are reserved for non-whites in public office. My concerns about him have nothing to do with his skin being darker than mine and to attribute it to this is to label and categorize, which is always a poor substitute for listening.
He is frequently compared to Jimmy Carter and whether he thinks that is fair or not, he might want to spend a minute or two to see if he can understand what similarities people see in terms of style and approach. He may in fact get less criticism if the vibe he projects is something other than, “You can’t say anything negative or challenging because I’m black.” It is clear that one thing his parents or grandparents have never said to him is “get over yourself”. His arrogance provides an entry point for those who wish us harm.
Go to Lou Dobbs and get Angry ….. You’ll get very , very angry if you pay Taxes and life your Life by the Rules and Laws of this Country .
This 2 minute video w/ Lou Dobbs will shock your socks off…and Pres. Obama is trying to get it passed now.
If you think the Economy is bad now…wait till U see this!
I don’t pass a lot of the pending bills info around but this Report needs to be sent to every American citizen and do what they can to stop the Mexica-zation of the USA.
The Comments made the the Senator at the beginning of the video is not only ‘accurate’ but too nice.
This is what Socialism really means .
Go to the Heritage Foundation web sight and see even far worse parts of that stinky bill that has now been approved by Congress in this “PATHETIC” so called Stimulus package . It is nothing more than War on tax paying American Citizens .It should have been named ” the HANDOUT Free THINGS Package for Votes .
I sure wish these racial Socialist cared as much about Americans rights and they did Illegals .
Wake Up America before this Nation comes apart !
This is not what I or many of You Voted fore ….. We knew better .
Why is anyone still listening to Navarette? According to him uncontrolled invasion by illegal aliens is just hunky-dory and the only thing wrong with the world came from White Males.
If I wanted that view of the world Keith Olbermann is at least a bigger drama queen.
Obama is a lightweight. I live in Illinois and his biggest claim to fame here was to vote “present” on every important issue that his fellow dunces in the Illinois Senate had to deal with. Let me take that back: when the issue was abortion or infanticide, he was a very strong advocate of both. I guess, with the American public school system we have now (it used to be in the education business and not the socialist/Marxist indoctrination business it has devolved into), the ability to make a good speech looking straight into the eyes of a teleprompter qualifies you to be President of the United States. As far as I’m concerned, this clown occupying the Oval Office is still what he has always been – a Marxist con man.
To the author of this lame blog; quit with the white guilt angle, take a hard look at the Blacks in this country…
The net sum of what blacks have brought to the US is negative. Stack their positive contribution v their negative contributions. Realistically they fit into American capitalism only slightly better than the Native Americans do.
Obama you want to be a great leader? Follow in the footsteps of Bill Cosby.
hmmm, sounds a little like; Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it
Well, I am certain that Ruben would not mind at all if the next white president’s advisor informed Congress that government jobs should only go to whites – in particular white males… Ruben is not a racist. He would understand as obviously, he celebrates the left’s kind of racist diversity.
I think Ruben would also understand if the next white president hailed from an anti-black and anti-hispanic “church” for twenty years. There’s nothing wrong with showing some pride in your skin and love for your tribe by scapegoating another demon race, right Ruben? Since Ruben is so secure in his brown skin – so much better than whitey – I think it is time for Ruben to advocate for white studies in the Universities and white preferences.
MONGOOSE,, Well said!
I might add, Obama is a Socialist thug! And so were a few white guys like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. And so were a few Asians like Mao and Pol Pot.
Race has nothing to do with the distrust of Obama. It’s his policies and thinking!!
It’s been my personal experience that race is more of focal point among democrats than it is republicans.
Anyone I know who is terrified of Obama (myself included) are those who think capitalism is a good thing, and the more government tries to “fix” anything, the more they muck it up.
Obama – Jimmy Carter – it’s all the same to me, and Tom Brokaw can stick it.
How convenient that Navarette forgets to mention that the recession has so far hit white men the hardest:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/business/06women.html?_r=1&hp
Not worried about skin color, for me it’s Obama’s Communist character that is troubling.
It’s at least nice to see people talking about it. Like we haven’t noticed Mr. Navarette, our new president IS black. It is part of his social identity – how people see him. Clinton (the new one) is female, McCain is old, Lieberman is Jewish, and so on and so on. Biden said it himself, “Obama is a clean cut black man.” Anyone who denies that they don’t lump people into groups is in denial.
Are white males afraid? I wouldn’t use the word afraid, but we are cautious. I’ve got a question that may help put it in perspective. Were black Americans afraid of McCain?
As a native Virginian who has lived in various places in the South for nigh 50 years, I can tell you that very few in the South care about Obama’s skin color. We care most deeply, however, about his voting record and his lack of executive experience. His ambition – declaring for the presidency when he’d been a Senator less than 90 days – is also a concern. That combination of factors bodes ill for America unless, with his high IQ, Obama can adapt readily, and learn that not every decision should be made quickly, and that there is wisdom in debate from all quarters, provided that all voices are given equal consideration. Thus far that is not happening.
To: Mongoose @ 10:
Kudos to you, Mongoose! You just succinctly said what a great number of people think. There’s nothing I could say other than thank you for your comments.
You know what Reuben, piss off! Except for celebrating Skin Color History month, this obsession with melanin has gone on for too long.
Just as Obama is encouraging and promoting a “crisis” mindset to pass his socialist agenda, now we have here Mr. Navarrette, Jr., to foment racial hostilities.
Sometimes I do wonder how far these groups are willing to go, to tear down our country in order to obtain power. Obviously, pretty far.
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“It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: (White) People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied, they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.” — Barack Obama
“The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person…” — Barack Obama
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Yes, we White People are sooooooo thin-skinned.
I thought Americans had freedom of association. Why did President Obama repeal the executive Executive Order 13202, that prohibited federal agencies and recipients of federal funding from requiring contractors to sign union-only project labor agreements (PLAs) as a condition of performing work on federal and federally funded construction projects.
This order restricts bidding on federally funded construction projects to union-controlled businesses. That means over 84% of no union contructiuon companies cannot bid for governmenbt work.
President Obama is making a huge mistakes and this order will affect hundreds of workers in the contruction field.
Then again, maybe most of the non union construction companies are white owned thus fullullfilling Robert Riech wish of making sure white construction workers do not benefit from the stimulus.
Emma: You should listen to yourself, it is you that are the bigot.
You calls us red neck hicks, but the demographics of this site clearly are altogether different then that. How do you know who we are? Well, of course, you do not. This it is merely an ad hominem attack which you employ to obscure the fact that you have no valid arguments to present or defend. You have learned ths from your Marxist elders. You may think it is clever, but is is actually intellectually dishonest and thus immoral. You should shun it, Shun, as well, the people that would have you employ it for they too are immoral. They are just using you.
This is a delusion of the Marxists and young urban (and not so urban) leftie “useful idiots” like yourself that enable these traitors: That people that disagree with them are “red neck hicks”. In fact, most of those that disagree with these traitors have greater experience, responsibility, knowledge, education and income levels than they have or will ever have. This is all but certainly the case with you, Emma. They also happen to live all over the country, and indeed, all over the world.
In any event, the people that you refer to as “red necked hicks” are in general decent and dutiful men and women, who have fine and loving families, raise decent, law abiding and independent children, go to church on Sundays, support their rural communities, look out for their neighbors and defend this country with their every thought, word and deed. They do most of the real, honest work in this country, and are glad of it. Your very own personal safety depends upon them, They create the food that you put on your table, or haul it across the nation so that it may find its way there. They are wonderful people, the salt of the earth and the essence of American greatness. Over the generations the have built it, and what a great thing indeed thy have built. They are altogether morally superior to any self indulgent urban leftist. If you were a decent American you would understand all of this and honor them, rather than insult them. The fact that you do not honor them nut rather insult them speaks badly of you, not them.
Living in NYC, as I do, having several advanced degrees, and working at the most senior levels in my profession and sector, I can tell you that I meet many of urban “educated” liberals (who are really buffoons with meaningless credentials, credentials that are more a badge of indoctrination than anything else). I find that they are generally wholly deficient in the qualities and contents of their characters. They are disloyal, mendacious, dishonest, petty, godless, superficial and selfish. They are foul in language, emotion, intention and thought. They are ugly in body, mind and spirit. Few do any truly meaningful work at all. They do not defend this country in any way whatsoever. They would not be caught dead in a military uniform. They in fact insult, harm and hurt the USA with every thought, word and deed. They would have a very hard time out there in flyover country making a living, because out there one has to actually do something useful to earn a living. This is just why most of them are not out there–they cannot make a living there. They also would be shunned, not because of their political opinions, but because of their immorality and foul behavior.
The irony is, of course, that most “urban liberals” actually come from the interior of the country, the home of those “red necked hicks” you so detest. These urban liberals really hate where they come from, which is to say that they hate themselves. I do not know where you hail from, but i would wager that that you hate yourself as well. That would explain your weird narcissism–you are projecting your self hatred on people that have not particular regard for you one way or the other. Narcissism, which is really just a defense against self-loathing, would also account for your risible tendency to you imagine that you insults carry some sort of argumentative or intellectual weight. They do not. Just the opposite, in fact.
You need to overcome your liberal rhetorical bad habits, grow up and act like an adult. Maybe then adults will respect your opinions, even out there in flyover country.
Had you really something meaningful to say, you would say it. But you do not, but rather resort to smear tactics and insults. This is what young children do. What you are missing here is that few reasonable adults care what people like you think, they call you out merely so that others will see the immaturity of the Left and the paucity of their thought.
It is not really about you or your persoanl opinions at all.
My issue with Obama is that I think he’s a sexist pig.
Yes, you are correct that their are some Caucasian people who are concerned that Barak Obama may force them to the back of the bus or worse throw them under the bus. The politician who accused the Republican Party of practicing the politics of fear does a pretty good job of practicing the politics of fear. There are people who were not reassured when he threw his Caucasian mother and grandmother under the bus during the campaign while praising his racist minister. Surprise! Surprise! Racism is not exclusively the ‘ism of whites.
A call to civility is a good thing especially since we were a witness to the lack of civility practiced toward the Bush Administration. How many times was he falsely accused of being racist? Would it be wrong to wonder what the country would experience if President Obama had NOT been elected? There were subtle hints that President Obama and the Democratic Party would have used racism to explain their loss.
There is always a danger of racism rearing it’s ugly head in this country and there is also the danger of some trying to stifle deserved criticism by using the false accusation of racism. I guess we will have to be on guard.
All these “progressives” with skin fetishes are so utterly tiresome. It doesn’t matter much whether the pigment of the man who is appeasing our enemies, destroying our economy, and spitting on our Constitution is black or white. The end results are just the same.
Skin color has nothing to do with anything. Character,ability and voting record does mean everything.People have every right to be concerned about Barak Hussein Obama,a chaismatic master of deception and deflection.
I only see the red ink he is trying to saddle me, my children and grandchild with.
It must hurt to fear the nonexistent boogy man. You’re to be pitied, Mr Navarette. You routinely take offense where none was given, and ascribe the worst of motives to any who disagree with you. Reading you is toxic to my mental health. You have no interest in facts or ideas or consequences. For you, everything is motives and insults and prejudice. No more, sir. Enjoy your life. It is what you have made it.
Sorry, Junior, you just played the race card, but I’m not biting. You’re not going to shut down conservative opposition based on policy and principle by shouting “racist!” Your attempt to polarize the body politic based on race is contemptible. Here’s a tag for you that you wear with pride, my very worst insult: Bolshevik!
To all those criticizing Obama and Ruben: You are (typical) dirty, filthy racists; your parents and grandparents were (typical) dirty, filthy racists; your children will be (typical) dirty, filthy racists.
I know; 70 years ago my grandparents experienced racism, and 20 years ago some people at Harvard called me ‘spic’. My experience was just like Ruben’s. Therefore, we KNOW all about racism (especially in the South, where Ruben’s never lived), and America hasn’t changed one iota. You’re all dirty, filthy racists, as evidenced by your criticism of Obama (a half-black) and Ruben (an Hispanic). Could there be anything more telling?
Just shut up and support unbounded, deeply corrupt, unlimited government. It’s worked well everywhere it’s been tried, especially in Latin America. It will work well in America, as evidenced by its great success of Ruben’s home state of California, which is cranking out of its public schools sophisticated, educated, highly achieving Hispanics by the millions.
Dirty, filthy racists.
Unbelievable commentary, a representative of the US governments says in public that jobs, funded by the taxpayer dollar, should be denied to white male construction workers and if we notice we are racist? This whole administration is unbelievable, fear mongers, race pimps, and tax cheats…what else can they possibly come up with? I knew it would be bad, but they are quickly exceeding my expectations.
Kudos, indeed, Mongoose. Do you have your own blog site? I would love to read more from you. Forget this racist Reuben.
Hey Ruben, listen up.
We don’t care about Obama’s skin color any more than we cared about Hillary’s. We object to Obama because he’s a committed radical bent on wrecking the country and remaking it in his own image.
How many more enormities do you need to see before you get the message? Perhaps today’s announcement of the expansion of the NSC into every aspect of American life will pull the scales from your eyes.
Senor Navarette:
“Let’s keep that in mind, keep our wits about us, and maintain our civility.”
What a grand idea. Will you kindly quit posting your own racist screeds, then?
I would remind you, since you were apparently otherwise occupied, that at the Inauguration of the Alleged Hawaiian, an event which could not and would not have happened without miliions of white people ignoring the coat of paint that Obama was born with, the crowd was exhorted to anticipate the day when:
“…the White will do what’s right.”
That was the “In your FACE, Whitey!” moment.
Frankly, amigo, I think you are going to be surprised at how quickly Obama’s caucasian electorate is going to no longer tolerate the kind of hate-filled racialist crap like you have written here.
Better figure out a new tune to sing, ace.
Or go peddle your twaddle over on Daily Kos.
For my part, I’m not so concerned about Obama’s white half or his black half, but rather the 7/8ths of him that is inexperienced at any form of executive leadership and management at all.
smylatu: No, I do not. I hang over at the Belmont Club a lot. I am starting to post other places on PJM these day. I have had about all I can take of these vipers
The fact that I feel almost scared that Mr. Obama is now in the White House has nothing to do with his race. It is his political and social beliefs that I find very disturbing. I also think that his lack of experience and understanding of how the government and the world works will cause enormous trouble for this country and the rest of the world.
Ruben, do you think it is possible for people who are not white to be racist? I infer from your article that you do not, but I’d like to hear you answer my question before commenting further.
Junior has actually done me a service by provoking me as an ordinary reader into becoming a conservative activist. Starting today, I will put a coffee can next to my computer with Ruben Navarrette’s name on it. Every time he posts, I’ll put $5 in the can in preparation for 2012.
And Junior, as long as you have time on your hands to insult my race and gender, here’s a list of other targets for you. See if you can slam my underlying principles: Judeo-Christian morality, Greco-Roman philosophy, Anglo-Saxon law, personal liberty based on limited government, scientific inquiry, and the value of modernity. Have at it, laddie.
I love you too, Mongoose.
Don’t drive yourself too crazy here though…it can happen.
To Aureliano: Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of the USA to better places. I’m tired of excuses and I’m tired of leftist bullsh*t. If you can’t handle it in the greatest country on the face of this Earth, take off for Cuba, or Mexico, or Iran, etc. You are a chump, and you will always be a chump until you stop cogitating like a chump.
MAN…I don’t get it;the HNIC is as white as he is black,but the black is the schtick,it’s what got him elected-personally the color I see is, in fact, red…as a white male construction worker I have seen first-hand the economic instability-I don’t think my wife has had a decent night’s sleep since I was laid off from my job;our health insurance COBRA priced itself out of our reach at the first of the year,and some of our monthly expenses have moved from the “necessity” column to the “luxury” column…I”ve tried to see the good in this administration’s intentions but all I see is a leftist power grab motivated by self-loathing cultural guilt(as a half-white, half-Mexican it’s as incomprehensible as Beatles lyrics written in Sanskrit)and careerist,race-baiting opportunism…and above all, REVENGE against the Bush administration for proving the MSM wrong in 2000 and 2004…Mongoose,you nailed it;thank you,and I look forward to reading more of your thoughts
Man, he really did a number on those straw men.
I have heard the racism accusation garbage for far too long now. The racial diatribes now roll off my back like water off of a duck. Sorry Ruben, but while I possess no white guilt whatsoever the tired hollow accusations such as yours now just make me angry. You can expect the backlash to begin in spades! I don’t care one iota that Obama is black (or half black, or however you want to describe him). He is an inexperienced Chicago thug, incapable, shallow, a racist himself, an economic buffoon, and a socialist empty suit. He also turns out to be a consummate prevaricator and he has gathered the greatest number of crooks, charlatans, communists, and Clintonian era failures ever assembled as an administration. He is rapidly showing the world that he and the next four years will be an abject failure. After three weeks of his bumbling I stand in complete opposition to the man, his policies, and his direction. And from the other comments above I sense that it will not be long before he enjoys job approval ratings that will make those of George Bush look astronomically high. The country has elected an amateur and a poseur and he stands naked before us.
I’m not against Obama cuz he is black, I’m against Obama because he is a no-skill (other than manipulating stupid people) empty suit. He is truly the first affirmative action president. If he wasn’t black, his hope/change rhetoric wouldn’t have served him nearly so well, and we would probably be bowing down to Her Empress Clinton
Sadly, many people do believe Obama’s election is about getting even. It’s apparent to me that some people believe he’s a Robert Mugabe.
Recently, someone shared with me an incident that occurred at a store. A white man opened the door for a black lady who promptly stated, “ummm, you white folks learn quick.”
This is what society has devolved into. A society of holding grudges, anxious for pay back.
Thanks Sara, I will heed your advice.
Well done, mongoose. I look forward to your comments.
To #58, Still Bill, re: Aureliano #48.
I think he was using a little sarcasm. Just a heads up.
Comment from Obama’s economic adviser Robert Reich:
“I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers…I have nothing against white male construction workers, I’m just saying there are other people who have needs as well”
Perhaps some are concerned because they have need to be.
Ruben Navarrette,
This is not your first story about Obama’s race. Others have posted about the same thoughts I have, so I won’t reiterate here. But, I dislike Obama’s politics and I very much like Michael Steele’s politics. You figure out why, moron!
So far, Obama’s greatest crime is that he is acting like a Democrat, and actually following through on at least a few of the promises that enticed liberals to vote for him. If he’s incompetent at anything, it’s hiding or refusing to acknowledge the criminal misfeasance of his appointees and cronies, something at which Bush/Cheney excelled. Very few people in DC can survive much scrutiny, so the whole “transparency” thing could backfire on him…but I’d prefer a few high-profile embarrassments to another 8 years of Wolfowitzes, Perles and Libbys.
As near as I can tell, “race” isn’t even a factor. Certainly, once I saw McCain and Palin running together, the only “white guilt” I felt was my shame at being part of a tribe that could produce such a preposterous pair of self-serving, uneducated bumpkins. Conservatives need to drop the excuses and come to grips with the fact that their candidates were scary idiots who gave a majority of American voters the heebie-jeebies.
And please, take the “Socialism” BS and go scare your grandparents. There hasn’t been any “pure capitalism” on this planet since the Indians stopped bartering sea shells for furs…and if there HAD been, Americans would be enjoying the same living standard as the average inhabitant of Latvia or Bangalore, India. I mean, we’ll get there within a few years, now that we’ve permitted our corporations (and our debt) to “go global” — but it would have happened 30 years ago if banks and businesses hadn’t been limited by the few feeble regulations that Reagan left intact.
Be grateful we have a President who looks good and hasn’t pissed off the entire world yet. America was “over” before 9/11, but Bush & Co. managed to keep the illusion going until they were safely out of office. Now, we have to deal with the hard realities that were obscured by the fake “War on Terror.” The wheels have come off the international Ponzi scheme of high-finance, and Americans can no longer count on making $90,000 a year for a job that can be done in Africa for $100 a week. Sorry, but that’s capitalism. America is no longer necessary.
Trib is/was a conservative paper. Must be Hell for Ruben to be on its editorial board?
An empty suit has no color, it is transparant, colorless and void.
Ruben go sit with that other racist, the wrong Rev. Wright. Old Wright acts stupid because he’s stuck in the 60′s and the old ways. What’s your excuse? Dummy.
David Thomson:
Ruben Navarrette Jr. conveniently forgets that Barack Obama only won the presidency because of white guilt and minority “it’s our turn” sense of entitlement.
No, he won the Democrat nomination by out-fighting, out-thinking, out-organizing, and out-fundraising Hillary and the rest of his competition. His margin of victory in the Primaries came not from blacks, but from college educated whites and motivated younger voters in caucus states Hillary’s people foolishly ignored.
In the general election he won big over an old, “treacherous to his own Party” candidate who became growingly erratic and incoherent..who had run on character, not ideas. White guilt had little impact on those white and hispanic and Asia middle-class moderates and independents and even a fair number of Republicans, who saw Obama as relatively untested, but still a better prospect than a Senator-for-Life talking about his 40 year ago POW days and his 30-year old platform that even he didn’t support that much over the years.
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Like it or not, America suffered a steep decline in it’s economy, in the sense of worker security, and in our international prestige in the Bush-DeLay-Frist-Denny Hastert Republican era. The voters were unambiguous in 2006 and 2008 – the purge of Republicans in Congress, state houses, and Governorships had little to do with Obama, as Hillary would have likely been elected by even greater margins.
As retiring Rep Davis of Virginia said, if “Republican” was a brand of dog food, it would be taken off the shelves by consumer protest.
Obama is the beneficiary of Republican complacency, servility to the Religious Right, and voters placing terrorism, the need for “unfettered free market policy”, abortion, and “democratizing Muslims” down in single digits in priority in the past 3 years.
Compared to the economy, health care, excessive debt and exploding cost of entitlements, rotting infrastructure of the nation, failed education, fighting corruption, immigration, loss of good jobs to free trade and globalism, and America’s loss of allies abroad.
All ranking far higher than pet Republican issues.
Now we have a rump Party dominated by Southern extremists now only viable in a core of moderate to small-sized Southern and western states (150 Electoral votes), with Texas,Missouri, Montana, N Carolina, and Georgia predicted to go more and more Democratic. Basically leaving Republican extremists back were Goldwater’s extremism left them in 1964 before new ideas and new coalitions created by the brilliance of Nixon and then Reagan renewed Republican viability.
Ruben begins his inane screed by defining the class of people he’s talking about: “I’m picking up on self-pity, worry, paranoia, resentment, and victimhood among some white Americans, especially thin-skinned white males.”
Then he accuses the members of that class of racism. “Some” white males are racists, he says; of course he’s right. But…so what?
Actually his post is a deceit, because it is a tautology — “racists are racists,” he says, enlightening us not at all. But he can’t possibly prove or even try to prove more than that obvious, empty truth.
For a rational observer, Ruben has literally nothing to say, but by babbling meaninglessly, he planted the toxic notion that dissent equals anti-black racism. Obama has made a number of blunders and is open to legitimate criticism; so far, the debate has been fair and issue-oriented, and this racism Ruben sees is not a factor. It’s literally trivial and irrelevant, contrary to his innuendo.
But Ruben has interjected malice, bigotry and hatred into a purely political debate. That’s a rotten trick worthy of the most cynical propagandist. And it upsets me most of all because it’s tremendously effective. Score one for the Bad Guys.
Ruben’s contentions suggest strongly that he would be among the first to transform political correctness into outright censorship. “Gotta do something about these rednecks, there’s an inbred mouth-breather under every bed!” I don’t think PJM would exist if the nation marched to the beat of Ruben’s drum.
At least this Affirmative Action beneficiary only became President. I could have been a lot worse. He could have become my doctor.
I have been reading this idiots racist spew in my local rag for years. What the hell is he doing here?
Why Robohobo, It’s quite obvious;aside from filling the mandatory talentless, token “authentic”,ie euroamerican hating,illegal immigration shill, slot for PJM,Ruben likes to provoke us with his antiwhite pc bilge.People like him like to fantasize bullying whites,and other non-liberals;they will eventualy push this country into a racial-political civil war. Don’t worry:As the IRA operatives used to say:”Gather your rifles and wait for the day”.Deguello:expect it, prepare for it live it,enjoy it, it will save the nation!
I’m scared. I’m really scared. I’m, like, very scared. I’m super scared. And duper scared. I’m super duper scared. I’m down home scared. Montgomery Gentry scared . . . killing caged bear scared. My frightened’s been heightened thanks to rough titanic panic. I’m coon scared. I’m Jigaboo and Satchmo scared. Blue-gum scared. Groid scared. Shiny Southern Spook scared. Please, Mr. President, please don’t eat the children. And don’t burn the churches. We like them – the children and churches I mean – the colored people not so much.
As for 22. bill; he writes, “I would have voted against Obama if he looked like Edgar Winter.” Ah, but would have voted FOR Sarah Palin if she looked like Cynthia McKinney?
I think one of the 1st comments by Daddy Dave hit it on the head. I see more racism comming from the Blacks for a long time now. They seem to see everything either black or white. Don’t forget 90% of the Black’s voted for Obama but it was the White majority that won him the election!
Mongoose: You really are quite the stud . . . as you yourself so loudly proclaim . . . ” . . . having several advanced degrees, and working at the most senior levels in my profession and sector, I can tell you that I meet many of urban “educated” liberals (who are really buffoons with meaningless credentials, credentials that are more a badge of indoctrination than anything else). I find that they are generally wholly deficient in the qualities and contents of their characters. They are disloyal, mendacious, dishonest, petty, godless, superficial and selfish. They are foul in language, emotion, intention and thought. They are ugly in body, mind and spirit. Few do any truly meaningful work at all.”
I’m not sure whether you think your “several advanced degrees” are a good thing or just “meaningless credentials” . . . I guess it doesn’t matter because it’s obvious you don’t hold them. No one who has taken the time and applied the discipline required to get several advance degrees could remain so screamingly ignorant. Get your nose out of thesaurus.com and look around. You are a dinosaur – a shallow, whining, resentful bigot who possesses no sense of irony, no grasp of nuance, no genuine curiosity about the world beyond your own snoot. (That’s another word for nose. I looked it up in the thesaurus. i would have used “proboscis, but I’ll save that one for when I’m trying to sound really smart. For now, i think snoot fits you better.) I speak for 56 million people when I say, “Good effin riddance.” If you don’t like it here in America, leave! I hear israel is nice this time of year. And I know how much you love and support and defend and admire and would do anything for Israel. It’s the perfect place for a patriot like you.
Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a bigot. All you have to do is go through a few of his archived articles to see it. Why Mr. Simon continues to solicit his opinions is disgustinging. Lets gets some KKK opinions Mr. Simon, as long as your shoveling in Mr. Navarratte.
All I can say is, Obama gets no kudos from me until he throws Israel the anchor and gets us out of Afghanistan.
Until then, he’s just another Republican.
Mongoose:
First you say to someone who posted a liberal opinion, “Had you really something meaningful to say, you would say it. But you do not, but rather resort to smear tactics and insults. This is what young children do.”
Then you say this later about liberals, “They are disloyal, mendacious, dishonest, petty, godless, superficial and selfish. They are foul in language, emotion, intention and thought. They are ugly in body, mind and spirit. Few do any truly meaningful work at all.”
Wow, you are a complex thinker. How do you cram all those contradictions into that itty bitty brain of yours? It must be tough , carrying the weight of all that’s right in the world on those narrow sloping shoulders. And your little chicken legs, wobbling beneath that octuplet gut. Tell me, how long has it been since you’ve seen your weenus?
See there? Now that’s how it’s done. Don’t try to hide your animus. Celebrate it. Don’t do it and say you didn’t. Pick a point of view and stick to it. That’s what we call a conviction, a value, a principle. Quit being such a piss ant. Be a man.
“Ah, but would have voted FOR Sarah Palin if she looked like Cynthia McKinney?”
I would not have hesitated for even a moment. Furthermore, I am confident that I speak for most Republicans.
@ #78 mister man
Your screed is full of racist epithets that no one, not ONE commentator, has used in this discussion. Sorry, but you’re not going to put such words in my mouth. You are nothing but mean and spiteful. If you had a shred of conscience, you would be deeply ashamed. Look in the mirror, the face of hatred you see staring back at you is your own. And you can be damn sure if any of my conservative brethren used such words, I would be the first to jump him. You are a vile, pathetic, little animal.
I wonder if the number of people who voted for McCain because they would not vote for a black man was exceeded by the number who voted for Obama because he was black. Judging by the media coverage, I’d say that was accurate. Regarding Navarrette, RE got it exactly right: ” Mr. Navarette views the world through the lens of race. He can’t help it. For him character, behavior, and values will always take a back seat to identity group politics. I’d pity him for being trapped in his myopic small-mindedness were it not for the damage people like him have done to our society.” Btw, in San Diego we are constantly subject to his recurring pieces on matters of immigration or Hispanic rights.
Ruben not all Hispanics hate white people,and they all didn’t vote for Obama. Some Hispanics are actually white people… no te hagas y dejate de chingaderas
What is Ruben’s ethnicity? I know his last name is Spanish, a WHITE people by the way, but what is he? He’s from CA so I assume he’s of Mexican ancestry but that doesn’t resolve his ethnicity. He could be anywhere on the spectrum from full blooded Aztec (or other native people) to full blooded Spanish (white) and anywhere in between.
In regard to his Blacks and Hispanics point and a poster’s comments regarding how they don’t get along in the streets it’s interesting how the Black and Hispanic caucuses in Congress work together for amnesty. Who is hurt most by amnesty? Blacks and legal immigrants. Blacks ought to oppose amnesty for their own economic benefit but the CBC sees diminution of the white majority as the end game of amnesty so they support it to the detriment of all black Americans.
Ethnic politics is about power and that’s all. If we could reduce the power of the Fed, by reasserting states rights we could regain control.
I also agree with many posters about my vote against Obama. It had nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his far left, socialist positions. I’m thrilled that Michael Steele is the new RNC Chairman and I hope he takes it to Obama hard.
I will be no man’s indentured servant.
Too bad this black wonder boy isn’t going to be a good example for black America.
“The fact that Americans just elected Barack Obama president says more about our capacity to knock down walls than our tendency to erect new ones.”
No, Mr. Navarrette, Obama won for the following reasons:
1. He was popular
2. Bush was hated
3. He wasn’t Bush
4. He promised something for nothing
5. White (misplaced) guilt
6. The need of his voters to feel accepted and a part of something monumental
7. Childish emotionalism
misterman @78- Sit on it and swivel if you suppose anyone here thinks you’re half as clever as a tree stump.
Cedarford,
How do you define “extreme right wing”? A person who believes in the Constitution and rule of law? Someone who doesn’t look to the government for solutions and sustenance? Someone who worships God and not the state? Just what about the Conservative philosophy is “extreme”? I can provide you with a long list of left wing extremism.
Paules:
You’re right. Way right. There’s no place on this board for racism. As you say, ” . . . you can be damn sure if any of my conservative brethren used such words, I would be the first to jump him.”
Well, Paules, here’s your chance. Jump em!
Gary Ogletree:
The Novice in Chief is above all a product of media sponsored affirmative action. Turns out merit does count. This privileged BOY ain’t up to it.
Delia:
A major meltdown from Barry the community organizer-in-chief in five…four…three. Seriously though…the BOY is just itching to throw a tantrum.
Rachel Peepers:
In point of fact, the BOY King can’t decide whether he’s more disappointed at phantom slights by the fawning media or blistering comments by Mark, Shawn, Laura and Rush.
Come On, Rube:
The irony is, Obama is an arrogant white BOY who just happened to have had an African father.
Nine-of-Diamonds:
I remember reading an article by a columnist who had interviewed some of Teleprompter BOY’S former coworkers
Barrett:
Of course, the Left led by the man-BOY President will call for more government to solve the problem.
John from Cincinatti:
Wasn’t their money sent anonymously to the campaign coffers? now that their BOY has made it to the show they want to get their moneys worth . . .
Ann141:
Once again, the manBOY is given credit for a perspective for which there is no convincing evidence:
Ian Thorpe:
Obama may think his good will and sincerity will charm the whole world. Unfortunately for the rather naive BOY from Chicago . . .
Ann 141:
Isn’t it fun watching the righteous indignation of the obamabots who don’t like it when we ask questions about their manBOY
Neonides:
You are aware your BOY at the White House is a… smoker?
I look forward to your scathing rebuke of these conservative brethren or sisteren or whatever you call them. I call them racists. And before you so predictably weave down Semantic Path, there is no difference between calling a black man a “coon” or a “boy.” Don’t take my word for it, ask one . . . if you ever get close enough.
Yes, you all have reason to be proud. Don’t give up the struggle. Fight the power.
didn’t vote for this guy, would never vote for him-but could we please get over the race card business-BO is half white and half black-he has consen to be black rather than white even if he is considered “tea colored”-this guy rides the fence of corruption constantly-the stimulus plan he supports,he did not write, but left it to congress so he can blame congress later-he is sneaky
He is frightening, not because of being black but because he is left of liberal and bad for the country-he belives it is fine to kill a child who survives abortion because no one should have to pay for a mistake for the rest of their life-now how does that hold true in other mistakes a human being makes in life-he doesn’t salute the flage because he could offend those who find the flag oppressing-he’s got something up his sleeve and i don’t trust him-but he is half white and half black and choses to be black-f0r that he has not earned respect from me-he is the racist and a politician-we need a statesman, not BO
God Bless America-I want George back!
Geraldo Rivera plays the same race-baiting game as Ruben. I heard Rivera on Hannity and Colmes one evening make the statement that he doesn’t want people to look at his kids differently than the other kids on the block (I’m assuming he was referring to his Spanish last name). Upon hearing this I did some research on Geraldo, who looks like a typical white guy to me. Well, Geraldo’s father was from Puerto Rico, which doesn’t make any statement about his actual ethnicity (white or some large percentage white), and his mother was Jewish (all white). And the mother of those kids he’s so worried about? She’s a white woman. So at the absolute most, assuming Geraldo’s father had zero white in him, Gerald’s kids are 75% white so his statemen about worrying about his kids was race-baiting.
I have friends of Italian descent darker than Geraldo. My own nieces and nephew are darker than Geraldo.
“Well, Paules, here’s your chance. Jump em!”
I will gladly accept this challenge. It is unlikely this individual was speaking in a racist manner. The odds are much higher that this is merely a comment on Barack Obama’s gross intellectual immaturity. Our new president is so shallow that he reminds of a young college student in their third year of study.
mister man: so the use of “boy” is a racist term when its use is clearly innocuous? I’m not going to bother looking up all the references you site but I doubt that any of these folks capitalized, bolded, underlined, or italicized the word “boy” in their posts. Clearly the term “manboy” was reference to Obama’s age and perhaps even a reference to his infantile responses to criticism. Your attempt to label innocent use of terminology as “racist” is of a piece with all Liberal attempts to silence the opposition with name calling because your arguments are so weak. Don’t like criticism of your policies, call your opposition racist, sexist, or whatever “ist” may apply.
Liberalism/progressivism/socialism/Marxism cannot be intellectually supported because it is a philosophy built on control; control of people, capital, communication, and most chillingly, information.
And anyone wanting a preview of Liberalism on a national scale only need to look at CA or MI. Both Liberal dominated states are massive failures.
baby:
You want George back, great. In fact, I invite everybody who wants George back to join him in Texas. Unless you’re black, in which case you can’t live in his neighborhood, but you can still get inside his house if you’re part of the catering crew. Better still, how about you all go to Texas and then Texas secedes from the nation. You can have all that oil and build yourselves the biggest fence you can imagine . . . except of course there at Dallas billionaire Ray L. Hunt’s place. You see he donated $35 million to SMU to help build the Dubya Libarry. It seems Senor Hunt don’t like him no fence obstructing his view of “the little brown ones” across the river. But other than Senor Hunt (and 135 other rich Texas landowners) you can go build yourself one helluva wall. And you can execute single mothers, because what god-fearing little baby miracle needs a mother who found herself in prison.
Yeah, let’s bring back George and his Texas-sized flag pin. I’d feel lots more . . . what’s the word I’m lookin for y’all . . . holla back and give a brother a helping hand . . . I’d feel lots more . . . TEXAN!
Mister man. There is nothing contridictory or hypocritiacal about this at all, and I would venture that it is your lack of critical thinking skills and knowledge of rhetoric or logic that causes you confusion.
In one case, Emma’s, the assertion was not based on facts or knowledge whatsoever, and in her “argumentation”, such as it was, it was a clear ad homeium fallacy, and an intentionally misleading and malicious use of the technique at that. It was also slander. So it was a lie, an invalid argument and intentionally misleading rhetoric, and an immoral act and stance too boot.
In the other case, mine, it was an observation, based on experience and knowledge, and one that was used as a counter example for to counter Emme’s “argument”: The primary argument being that to speak from the position, a priori, that urban liberal positions and/or demographics, and their associated assumptions (bigotries, really), somehow implicitly grants a superior moral or logical valid stance. Additionally, I used the observation to buttress some further arguments of my position, and to attempt to reach Emma’s sense of shame so that she might move beyond her immorality. It also was an happens to be an accurate observation of young, urban (and again, not so urban) lefties as a group. It is an opinion that is widely held, BTW, outside of the young lefty’s circles, and for good reason. So in this case the assertion is observationally (and even empirically) true, and the counter argument it supports is rationally valid and true. In as much as it might help Emma to pull back from her immoral beliefs and actions, it was also a valid and good moral act.
So not the same at all.
You, like many liberals, need to study logic, rhetoric and language a lttile more–it might alieve these sorts of vexations that bother you and clear up your thinking a bit.
You also might seek some instruction in the basics of ethics and morality.
Heaven knows, you need this.
This is a problem with young lefties. They unwittingly parrot other people thoughts and propaganda without really understanding what they a mouthing or subjecting these “thoughts” to critical analysis or moral reflection. Thus, they cannot rationally respond when some serious, knowledgeable, experienced and educated adult challenges them. Thus they behave immorally, and detest having this pointed out to them. When this occurs, they tend to have the same little conniption fits that you are having here and Emma had above. This often devolves to infantile name calling, temper tantrums and pseudo-intellectual claptrap by said young lefties. They learn this form older Marxist who, dispite their age, are just as childish as their young disciples.
With Obama’s election, you need to get used to interacting with real, serious adults your father’s age or older, for the adults will no longer tolerant your nonsense–we will not see our country destroyed by the immaturity and bad judgment of some poorly educated people in their twenties.
Young lefty “useful idiots” live is such a small, self-important bubble that they have little notion at all how the rest of the larger world views them. They are about to find out.
I will give you a C-
#83 mister man – Your criticism of mongoose was off base. He did not speak of liberals in general. He spoke specifically of the liberals he knows in NYC (an abundant crop there). His was not an ignorant screed. It was a bit of a rant, but one speaking of great personal experience. Nothing ignorant about empirical evidence.
How about some full disclosure Mr. Navarette. If you’re going to write such racist filth, please be so kind as to divulge the fact that you’re Hispanic.
As for the comments by Reich, what I find most telling about them, is that Obama did not chastise him for them. They were out-and-out racist, and would not have been tolerated under Bush. He’d'va been out on his butt immediately.
As for the guy who said it would lead to a race war, it never will. The mature among us have moved beyond that. We get annoyed when accused of racism, but it doesn’t graduate to the hate necessary for that kind of thing. Leave that hatred for the Leftists. Better to treat it with the scorn and derision it so richly deserves. The one thing the pruveyors of Leftist thought cannot stand is to be scorned or laughed at, like our fearless Dear Leader.
marymcl:
misterman @78- Sit on it and swivel if you suppose anyone here thinks you’re half as clever as a tree stump.
Wow! Double wow! I believe the Oxford Compendium of Idioms has it “sit on it and spin” though I recognize your right to apply personal preference to such dazzling imagery. Noel Coward would be proud, but not nearly as proud as Fonzi. And I commend your use of “tree stump” often truncated (see what I did there?) to simply “stump” as the object of another popular colloquialism . . . “dumb as a stump” (no offense intended). I stand humbled by your towering intellect. Please have mercy on my widdle wiberal bwain.
@ mister man
Bwahahahahahaha! That’s the best you can come up with? I’m sure if any of my conservative brothers and sisters wished to deliver a racial epithet, anyone of them could have come up something more insulting than “boy.” Do you know what “context” is? I hope you didn’t pull any mental muscles while stretching for your examples. You, little man, are a race-hustling bigot. You are like the rest of your despicable ilk who manufacture bias out of thin air to support your political agenda. This thread is for adults. Go away, boy.
Eric . . . I suggest you DO look up those references. In fact, in the time it took my post to go up, some idiot half-a-man named Cybergeezer wrote this: “Too bad this black wonder boy isn’t going to be a good example for black America.” It’s right up above . . . #90. Now tell me, does that sound like a racist to you?
Hey mister man @94, you remind me of the DC idiots that ruined a man’s career and reputation once because they where to uneducated to know that the word “niggardly” was not a racist reference of anykind unless being stingy is a characteristic of racists. The guy was even a hard core lib! If you are looking to find racism, you can always find racism. The author of this article is clearly doing exactly that. As many already pointed out, our objection with Obama is because when we look at him we seee collectivist red.
highasakite:
Stupid. If the implication is that Bush is a racist I suppose you never got a good look at his cabinet.
It’s amusing how Libs are always accusing Conservatives of racism when Conservatives almost never discuss race. And when we do it’s usually in response to the overt race politics of the Left. You’re projecting.
#97 – David Thompson:
What a disingenuous and transparent piece of intellectual infantalism. The word BOY refers to his “Intellectual immaturity?” Compared to who, Cybergeezer? Your response reminds me of George Bush when he was asked, “What mistakes have you made?” And he said, ‘I wish you’d given me this question ahead of time . . . i can’t really think of any.” Now there’s a response we can believe in. There’s a guy who stands by his principles. There’s a guy who doesn’t care about public opinion, or the truth. ”
David, you’re a douche bag . . . a nice, red rubber bag full of warm water – cleansing, comforting, reassuring. Yes, you are indeed a douche bag.
mister man: My formal education was long before the educational system collapsed. I had to actually learn something in school, and there was little indoctrination. Rather schools inculcated of Western notions of intellectual curiosity (with attendant humility or one’s intellectual betters), morality and critical thinking. That world has all but vanished now. The brightest of people had to struggle then, and there were few silly degree programs, at least for men. This was before we decided that every mediocrity in the country deserved a college degree. I would guess that my degrees were granted either before you were born, or around the time you were 5 year old.
Oh, and my degrees are Ivy League degrees, in difficult subjects, and no, I did not go to public schools prior to college. A different world, indeed.
Additionally, a great many degrees today are granted in “non-subjects” that require little real knowledge or little intellectual skills. The course work consist of PC gobbledygook and agreeing with the teacher’s politics. These curricula exist purely as a dodges for cowardly, dishonest and incompetent teachers and to con the gullible out of their parent’s tuition savings. Perhaps you hold such a degree?
So there is, again, no contradiction or hypocrisy in my assertions.
So again, your lack of critical thinking skills is leading you to find contradictions where they are none.
I also think a propensity to try to rationalize away your unacceptable and irrational beliefs and dubious life directions contribute to both your intellectual confusion and a desire to find faults were there are none. The fact that you were in the school system after it collapsed does not help you much either.
Please get back to me when you has something meaningful to say.
mister man
Personally I read that as an attempt to belittle the man and not as a racist attack. He IS black but it doesn’t make the statement “black wonder boy” any more effective than if he’d have just said “wonder boy”. The use of black to describe someone isn’t racist just because it’s used as a descriptor. He isn’t using black as a pejorative in his description. I think you, and far too many others, are overly sensitive. I’m reminded of the hue and cry last year (or was it 2007?) about an APB put out on an Hispanic man wanted for some crime. SOme local Hispanics were all up in arms that he was described as Hispanic. HE WAS! And that information was critical to his capture. Without it how the Heck were the cops supposed to ID him?
This over sensitivity is what makes it so difficult to get past the race game. It’s worse on Liberals because you tend to place a much higher value on physical differences than Conservatives. You pat yourselves on the back because you have a physically diverse group who all think alike. Yay you’re all socialists together!
We Conservatives as a group don’t care. Michael Steele for example wasn’t elected to chair the RNC because he’s black but rather because he seems to be the man with the passion, charisma, and solid conservative background that the GOP is looking for right now. After his election the discussion of his race is virtually nonexistent.
This is such a crock.
The media spent months the better part of 2008 with a case of the vapors, certain that white voters would secretly vote against Obama because of his race. They may have even managed to fiind one or two Bull Connor left overs that hadn’t reached the “expire by” date. But white and hispanic voters didn’t shun Obama. They don’t live in the world of racial/sexual etc politics the pundits do. So even those that detest Bill Ayres held their nose (against Ayres) and voted Obama.
Now, loathe to let go an issue dear to their hearts (“there just have to white racists out there!”) the media is trying to serve the left overs again.
But Obama won because he was the best man on the field: whites and hispanics were fed up with 8 years of porkmeister Dennis Hastert; the GOP had managed to forfeit its hold on two simple and boring “adult” issues: we’re frugal and competent.
The GOP blew it all away, like drunk parents in Las vegas with the mortgage money. Now, with the house in foreclosure, savings spent, creditors calling and the power turned off, the parents want to know why no one trusts them anymore. Why that Obama man got elected. That and a refusal to listen to John McCain say “My friends” for 4 years.
There are probably not more than a thousand white voters coast to coast that care what color Obama is. But there seem to be a lot of media types that WANT to believe whites are “worried” about Obama. After all, if they can’t lambaste “white male rascists,” who are they going to dump on from now on?
Mongoose:
As you write . . . It was also slander. So it was a lie, an invalid argument and intentionally misleading rhetoric, and an immoral act and stance too boot.
it was a clear ad homeium fallacy
You, like many liberals, need to study logic, rhetoric and language a lttile more–it might alieve these sorts of vexations that bother you and clear up your thinking a bit.
Despite your many advanced degrees you have no grasp of the English language or law. It’s not slander if it’s written. It’s libel if it’s written and slander if it’s spoken. So, unless you’re hearing voices on this board (a possibility I don’t discount), you’re showing your ignorance. As for the other refs I offered, they speek for themselfs.
#94 mister man’s mighty marauding mendacious meanderings (…look ma, no thesaurus needed):
“I look forward to your scathing rebuke of these conservative brethren or sisteren or whatever you call them. I call them racists. And before you so predictably weave down Semantic Path, there is no difference between calling a black man a “coon” or a “boy.” Don’t take my word for it, ask one . . . if you ever get close enough.
Yes, you all have reason to be proud. Don’t give up the struggle. Fight the power.”
mister man,
I’ve found most of the comments on PJM to be pretty well thought out and any criticisms of those on the political left to be anything but racially motivated. Instead of scribbling your wonderfully nostalgic “fight the power” off-topic personalized drivel, why don’t you at least attempt to add something worthwhile to the discussion.
I don’t think ~Paules or Mongoose have any need to respond to your nattering epithets. Only one of the “examples” you cited appears to have even come from this particular post and the capitalized “BOY” emphasis shows nothing but your own cultural bias and deep seated sense of victimhood. Where I have seen the word “boy” used in this post, it seems to be used as a pejorative regarding President Obama’s maturity and experience:
#18 Come on, Rube:
The irony is, Obama is an arrogant white boy who just happened to have had an African father. Look at his behavior, how he pouts, his absurdly thin skin, his sense of entitlement. No, sadly, the First Black President is a spoiled white boy.
#90 Cybergeezer:
Too bad this black wonder boy isn’t going to be a good example for black America.
Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for “that one”.
Mongoose:
You are your own worst enemy. So, why so coy? What degrees do you have? And from what Ivy League schools did you get them. are you worried that your conservative bretheren and sisteren will hold you education against you? They don’t care much for academia. you know that, right?
Your writing reminds me of a guy I met once who spent hours regaling me with his yachting prowess. Told me of great seafaring adventures, the exotic women he’d bedded in far-off ports of call, the languages he spoke, the rituals he’d experienced, the storms he’d survived. Finally, he showed me a picture in a magazine of the boat he just bought, a 70-foot Swan sailboat. He was going to Seattle to board her on his first leg of a round-the-world solo journey. Now I’ve met many interesting and accomplished people in my life, and I’ve learned not to doubt someone based on first impressions, but in this guy’s case, I made an exception. Why? Because we were in the back of a Greyhound Bus and he asked to borrow $10 to buy lunch. Now is it possible he was Lord Jim? Yeah, maybe. Was it likely? Hell no.
That, my friends, is the story behind Mongoose- the world’s most insightful, logical, educated, and intelligent lunatic. Don’t believe the charade.
73. cedarford: said __
Now we have a rump Party dominated by Southern extremists now only viable in a core of moderate to small-sized Southern and western states (150 Electoral votes), with Texas,Missouri, Montana, N Carolina, and Georgia predicted to go more and more Democratic. Basically leaving Republican extremists back were Goldwater’s extremism left them in 1964 before new ideas and new coalitions created by the brilliance of Nixon and then Reagan renewed Republican viability.
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Madam You are a left wing nut and a Racial Socialist “.
We” Sadly have “”YOUR KIND ” running the white house , Senate and House today …. History has well taught us leads too Failed Marxism .
THAT IS EXTREMISM !
You side is against Personal Responsibility replaced with Victim’s , hard work replaced with Welfare …And Fathers replaced with Govt. Nannies . Morals replaced with Do you own thing ! YOU WANT PRAY RUGS EVERYWHERE BUT THE 10 COMMANDANTS IN A COURT IS WRONG OR STAR ON A OFFICE CHRISTMAS TREE CAN GET YOU FIRED OR A TEACHER WITH A CROSS AROUND HER NECK ….. MOSLEMS CAN PRAY EVERYWHERE BUT WE CAN PRAY AT A FOOTBALL GAME . YOUR FOR OPEN BORDERS ….WE WORRY HAVING TO PAY FOR IT AND BELIEVE IN LAWS .
You want higher taxes ……. I want to spend by own money …… Your for redistribution of Wealth ……I want to leave my money to who I damn well please . YOU think the UN IS GREAT …… WE KNOW BETTER ! YOU WANT A FRENCH STYLED MILITARY …. WE KNOW BETTER .
YOU WANT USE THE WORD WAR ON TERRORIST …… WE KNOW BETTER .
Your the ones that don’t want Union Private Votes ( IRAQ UNDER SADDAM ), Freedom of Speech (talk radio ) and Of course Goverement running our Lives Womb to Tomb .
THAT IS EXTREMISM .
How sad. People are letting their insecurities get the best of them. This isn’t a contest. And it isn’t a zero-sum game.>>
Human history is simple
There has never been a economically prosoperous country run by black people!!!
Blacks in the key U.S. government positions far outweigh their relative educational level in society.
The country should be run by the most competent people not people selected because of their politically correct race and gender
Whoa! To #116 . . .
You’re right . . . WE KNOW BETTER. It’s OK. We’ll put those nasties back in the closet where they belong. Now come with me . . . Don’t worry about your gown, I’ll tie it up for you . . . . That’s right, this way . . . . Have a set right here. Take this little paper cup . . . It’s cute isn’t it? Don’t worry, it’s only water, just like you use when you brush your teeth. Now, take these two little red candies. That’s right. Pop them in your mouth and now DRINK! DRINK! DRINK! . . . all that good water right down in your tummy. That’s right . . . that’s a good little soldier.
Some people handled that November ass-whipping better than others. Here we clearly have a textbook case of Loseritis. It’s OK to be disappointed at such dramatic loss, but do EVERYTHING-YOU-CAN to hold on to reality. Just because we’re in power and plan to do whatever the hell we feel like for the next eight years, well, that doesn’t mean we don’t care. Seriously, we’re here for you.
Eric #110 writes, “Personally I read that as an attempt to belittle the man and not as a racist attack. He IS black but it doesn’t make the statement “black wonder boy” any more effective than if he’d have just said “wonder boy”. The use of black to describe someone isn’t racist just because it’s used as a descriptor. He isn’t using black as a pejorative in his description.”
Hello! McFLy! It’s not “black” I’m talking about . . . it’s “boy.” And if you think ANY BLACK MAN IN AMERICA agrees with these ridiculous dodges of saying it’s about his maturity, then I suggest you walk right up to one and say, “I think you’re immature, boy.” See what happens. But will you do that? Hell no. Why not? Because you’re the first ones to lock your doors at the red lights, that’s why.
Honky if you love Jesus . . . I’m just saying . . .
Sorry about that “honky” thing but I didn’t mean it in THAT way. I was just talking about tooting your horn, you know, Honky your horny” . . . OH, darn! There I go. I didn’t mean THAT kind of horny like in, well, you know, mister-and-misses things. Oh, I should just stop, silly old me. My, how words can get away from you, can’t they? Boy!
“Blacks in the key U.S. government positions far outweigh their relative educational level in society.”
Black people have to earn what they get in athletic competition—and the hard sciences. Unfortunately, that’s about it. Their degrees on the softer disciplines are often the result of affirmative action grading. This may very well explain Barack Obama’s law degree from Harvard University. After all, what other reason explains the reluctance to release his grades?
Was the media being racist when they called George W. Bush a cowBOY? Inquiring minds want to know…
Ridicule away mister man. I’m obviously not as erudite as your oh so humble self nor obviously quite as quick a typist… I think I’ll just sit back and judge you by your words the same as I did President Obama. I do believe it was he that opined at the Wisconsin Democratic Party Founders Gala on or about 2/16/08:
“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Obama said to Wisconsin Democrats. “‘I have a dream’ — just words. ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words. ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ – just words. Just speeches.”
The problem I have with both your words and his – when they’re not just a parroting of a quite obviously intellectual, ethical, dare I say “manly” superior – is that they may seem weighty and wonderful coming out but fade ethereally away upon reflection leaving a rotten stench. Halitosis perhaps. My distaste and disdain for you both stems not from some lack of tribal affiliation but rather that I find you Crude, Coarse, Uncouth, Narcissistic, Nasty, Philosophically Bereft Empty Suits. Since it has been such a triumphant first two weeks for you, by all means, bask in President Obama’s naked and invisible glory. Continue on your merry, deluded, self-indulgent way for the next four years. Just like the incredibly disgraceful aftermath of the inauguration, the rest of us will calmly sweep up the “little droppings of hope and change” you children leave behind and wait for the grown ups to return.
Mister Man,
After reading your whole (#78) childish diatribe, I came to your question. My answer is most definitely, son.
Well, I guess the evil rumpled trollskins have gone to bed and so should I. As a parting thought that epitomizes Mr. Navarrette’s meme, here’s a golden oldie by that wacky English logician on the meaningfulness of nonsense – or maybe a cautionary tale for mister man on what the next four years portends:
‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.
‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
- Lewis Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson)
mister man, are you afraid of black men? Your challenge to “walk right up to one” sounds as if that alone were some kind of brave choice by your measure, no matter what one intended to say. Just words, huh?
Mister man …… is a obvious racial Socialist with Marxist Leninist leaning . Meaning he looks at Big Govt as his life time Nanny . He pays little or nothing in taxes but wants those that work hard and earn real money to pay lots in taxes to support his lasy ass !
Guaranteed he has never owed or managed a real Co ….. Loves Unions …… You know like Obama ,…… 10 to 1 he is a spolied College racial leftist and is a African American that can’t find Africa on the map .
If you could get him in a Chest to Chest honest debate he would tell you He is 25 % Socialist … 25 % Marxist
…. 25 % Black Nationalism …… and 25 % Black Liberation is …………… Just right ! ……………..
B/S !
mister man, or should I say “mister boy:?
Do you see that your response exactly manifests my observations of you (and Emma) above? To. the. letter.
That, my friends, is the story behind Mongoose- the world’s most insightful, logical, educated, and intelligent lunatic. Don’t believe the charade.
This is just another ad hominem attack, coupled with a straw man. There is also a strong does of a narcissist’s projection and deflection here.
Exactly what I said you would do. Too funny.
And, just as I said you would, you had a little tantrum when you got in over your head with serious people.
Do you see that you are talking to yourself? That you could not possibly defame me? Do you imagine that you have friends here?
You have no freinds here, just fellow trolls. They are like drinking buddies–companions in vice and the denial of vice. This is not friendship at all, this is just hiding from your weaknesses and limitations. What childishness. It is the sort of thing a teenager does. It is the sort of behavior we expect out of undergraduates. You could not comprehend the “story behind” any serious adult, for you have yet to become one. You do not even have a child, for Pete’s sake. You have never been truly responsible for anyone else in your life. You are barely responsible for yourself, and deep inside you know this.
You are humiliating yourself in public and you do not even realize it.
You perfectly well know that you are the “charade” here (and elsewhere no doubt) That is why you use such language in your projections.
You are young, with not much of a job, not many skills and mediocre prospects. I would also imagine that you have some slightly dissapointed parents, and that relationships have a slight awkwardness.
At your peer level, the smarter people are outfoxing you. Your use of language, rhetoric and your “opinions” just scream this.
Look at that fable that you just wrote for your straw man “attack” against me. I’d actually wager that that is a fantasy projection of your father. What did you do, pull the stereotypes for off of a TV show to jazz it up a bit?
Bet the reality is somewhat more disappointing.
It is a textbook case of narcissistic projection and deflection.
In your heart, you know I am right.
Why you are out with there trolling and throwing out you silly opinions and foul manners? It give you the illusion that you actually matter, that you are “daring” and lets you vent your frustrations with your lot, or so you think. You hold your “opinions” because of peer pressure and a desire to look cool. You may think it makes you “progressive” and “rebellious” and above other people, but in reality it just makes you look like a superficial conformist. You have no real moral or intellectual intent or investment in your postings whatsoever.
Deep inside you know that you really do this out of a needs for attention, a need to be taken seriously.
The sad thing is, that by calling you on your immature nonsense, I am taking you seriously, but you are so lost in your narcissism that you cannot hear me. I’d bet it was that way with you parents too. You would be wise to listen. Sooner or latter you will have to wise up anyway. Sooner is better.
I will tell you that you can no more wish up a real future for yourself than you can wish away the reality of my life and presence on this earth. Childishly attempting to dismissing my very real accomplishments will not cause you to achieve any real accomplishments of your own. Not one.
So again, get make to me when you have something serious to say.
There was no “white guilt”. The simple fact is, he was the best candidate. After the first debate, the election was over. Those two men side by side made it crystal clear. Do you want, young, handsome, smart, calm, polite, perfect temperament to be president, or do you want, old, crusty, temperamental, stale ideas, and prone to anger. Not to mention a divisive strategy and a clueless running mate. Why didn’t Sharpton or Jackson receive any “white guilt”? Because people are not stupid, they vote for who they think will do the best job, who will represent the office and our country with dignity and honorable service. Anyone speaking to the contrary about Obama is not fully in touch with their feelings. And many of those feelings include racism and hatred. And BTW, a substantial number of so called blacks in this country are of mixed race. But this country has a history of labeling anyone with any portion of black ancestry, as black. It doesn’t matter who your parents are, it’s how you look in the mirror that will categorize you. Which is really sad, especially in a modern society. As soon as we can get most of the old ignorant racists to die off, and more progressive intelligent people in power, we can move forward and finally remove the race label all together. Which is how is should be.
Mister man(boy) has taught me something tonight and I thank him for that. Never feed a troll.
Ruben,
I’m sure there was a purpose to this article, but darn if I can figure out what the purpose was besides to cause strife.
I’m white, didn’t vote for Obama, know many whites that didn’t vote for Obama, and have yet to hear a word about the color of his skin. Personally, I do worry that Obama has a tendency to lean towards the Karl Marx model, of which Obama’s recent trillion dollar pork bill provides some testimonial.
You write some of the most vacuous, inane crap of any journalist going today. I’m coming to believe you stir the racial pot, whether Hispanic or black to make yourself relevant, because you seldom write of anything else. And I’ll be darned if I can figure out why anyone would think you talented enough for national print.
JackT. My dear, dear boy. What I saw at the debates was an over eager, immature youngster who had no class and an old guy who was too genteel to point out that the O had no idea what he was talking about. Neither were the “best candidate,” as you put it.
The fear that most people have is not that Obama is a black man who has made it but that the President of the United States is a petulant child who will actually do what he said or, worse, he will be truly incompetent and will allow the even further left to roll over him, which is a very valid interpretation of the events surrounding porkulus.
As far as Sharpton and Jackson go, no one will vote for them because, though they make for good sound bites, nobody actually likes them.
Mongoose – still on that Greyhound, eh? So, what about those advanced degrees from Ivy League schools? Still looking up how to spell Yale? And just so you and your “friends” here know (friends you’ve never met because you live your entire life online) let me correct those withering estimations of my life you so keenly discerned. I believe it went something like this: “You are young, with not much of a job, not many skills and mediocre prospects. I would also imagine that you have some slightly dissapointed parents, and that relationships have a slight awkwardness.
At your peer level, the smarter people are outfoxing you.” Methinks the codger doth admit too much.
In fact, I am not young. Both my parents are long dead. I have an undergraduate degree in journalism from Northwestern and a J.D. from Berkeley Law, and a Purple Heart that I keep in my tackle box. I am retired, and I still pay more taxes than anybody else on this board. I’ve been married to the same woman for 38 years. I have one daughter who is a chemical engineer. My other daughter is a municipal judge. I have three homes, all paid for. I’m a medalist in masters track and field, a scratch golfer, and a pilot. Wait, there’s more that makes me different than you: I haven’t let my age or accomplishments shrivel my brain or drag me into some pathetic state of entitlement where I’ve convinced myself that just because I’m wrinkled means I’m wise. The only thing your scattered thinking proves is that old people can be stupid, too.
Now put up or shut up. And that goes for your “friends” too.
And Cocollins #113.
before you start bragging on yourself thusly . . . #94 mister man’s mighty marauding mendacious meanderings (…look ma, no thesaurus needed) . . . you should know that thesauri provide synonyms. There are no two words in your post that are synonymous. They are alliterative . . . wait, don’t bother looking it up, I’ll tell you . . . it means words that make use of repeating letters or phonemes. Much the way a pun is regarded as the lowest and least creative form of humor, alliteration is regarded the same way in writing.
And so I say to you, too. Put up or shut up. You people are going to have to elevate your game. I was looking for a challenge. I guess I should have known better than to expect actual thought from someplace with Pajamas in its name. Is that because you all agree to wear pajamas while you post? is that some kind of secret code?
Jack T,
You are right, white guilt did not elect the empty suit, Obama. Just plain stupidity did. I saw something completely different from what you saw on the first debate. So did 60,000,000 other people, apparently. Do you actually believe you know something about either Obama or McCain based on what you saw on TV and because of that you think I can’t be in touch with my feelings? Get a grip, Jack. You aren’t that smart.
Another race-obsessed Ruben article. I love how the media drums up the last 10 remaining white racists in our country and gives them a megaphone for articles like this.
Oh, and the most hilarious part was how Hillary Clinton “destroyed” Obama in the primaries when she “played the race card”. Now, really, who destroyed who? No doubt Ruben missed out on the “I Wish Hillary Clinton Had Married O.J. Instead” and “Bros Before Hoes” and “I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Aint One” at Obama rallies for months before the so-called Clinton race card. Oops, that’s right, I forgot–what really happened was that Supreme Racist Donna Brazile chided Hillary Clinton for claiming she had the votes of the working class when many black people were also working class and did not support her, to which Clinton responded, okay, “white working class voters” then. This is what we call race-baiting, class, not racism, and Obama supporters are pros.
The only real racists in this election were Obama supporters. Anyone in the Clinton or McCain camp can tell you that. How ’bout some coverage on them, Ruben? I’m sure Donna Brazile is available for comment.
I’m sure this has been covered elsewhere, but I hear a lot of terms and i don’t know the difference. can someone explain tome please the differences socialism,communism,marxism . . . and lenin and trotsky and stalin . . . what gives with all this? And why is everybody thinking obama is like them?
This is sad. Really. Character counts. That’s it. Period.
1. vivo:
“Navarrette is just stirring up the pot. Let’s wait for the comments.”
After 135 comments it just happened that way. Many condemned Navarrette’s racism.
Many exposed their own racism.
80. mister man clobbered Mongoose. They went back and forth. Mongoose several degrees won’t let him use a spell checker.
Now we’re back to where we started, nothing changed. Bigots remained bigots and clear heads are doing fine.
Pajamas: nice blog!
This is just more of if you don’t support Mr Tambourine Man then you are some how a racist.
Oh and by the way, white men will in fact lose, because someone is going to have to pay for this transfer of wealth from the private sector to the public section and it surely is not going to be blacks because they are always the victims of something.
In fact, I am not young. Both my parents are long dead. I have an undergraduate degree in journalism from Northwestern and a J.D. from Berkeley Law, and a Purple Heart that I keep in my tackle box.
Congratulations. I was once enrolled in a combination MBA/JD program. I dropped both to go work for high-tech startups in Silicon Valley (I have two other degrees, a BA in English and a BA in History, granted at age 19 and 20, respectively, after having spend over a year in an engineering program), then later re-entered the program and finished only the MBA.
Now tell me why finishing the JD is impressive (God knows the journalism degree isn’t). Most lawyers really aren’t all that bright, as you know. Tell me why you’re not just another greedy little schlub who couldn’t think of anything more interesting to do than law, assuming you actually took the bar and became a practicing lawyer. If you did become a practicing lawyer, tell us about your practice. Let us be the ‘judge’ of your credentials. God knows you can’t trust a lawyer to give an honest accounting of his abilities.
I am retired, and I still pay more taxes than anybody else on this board.
Living in California has a way of leaving one in the position of paying a lot in taxes. That said, I’ll wager my taxes versus yours any day, although I admit by choice I live a fairly modest lifestyle. I did, however, retire at age 38 (and I’m working on my fourth college degree, just for laughs). So lay it on me, genius – why don’t you tell me your zip code in California (probably the Bay Area) and the nature of your investments, and we’ll see. Too personal? Then don’t issue those kinds of challenges, that is, challenges you don’t intend on backing up.
I’ve been married to the same woman for 38 years. I have one daughter who is a chemical engineer. My other daughter is a municipal judge.
Oh please. Being a chemical engineer means taking classes in chemistry and chemical engineering. That you consider this impressive probably means that you personally were challenged by science and mathematics. Only those who stink at the latter are impressed with the former. Congratulations on your daughter being a municipal judge. However, she is not you, and so far as anyone here knows she may be as big a partisan as you are. Anybody over the age of 40 knows what colossal jerks judges CAN be, and given your behavior and pedestrian bigotries masquerading as political commentary, I think it’s a fair assumption your little girl is also riddled with same prejudices. After all, studies have shown that there is an 80% correlation between the politics of mommy and daddy and the politics of their children.
I have three homes, all paid for.
That’s cute. A retired man who owns more than one house. Hey, tell you what, I’ll compare the equity I have in all the properties I own in California which allowed me to retire at age 38 to your little houses. All you did was upgrade once to a large house, keep the older one to rent, then at some point buy a duplex (probably 20 years ago) to rent, or perhaps to buy a little 2BR condo in Tahoe. This is NOT something to impressed with –- it simply means you worked fairly steadily as a professional. What you described is par for the course (it sure ain’t ‘scratch’ golf).
I’m a medalist in masters track and field, a scratch golfer, and a pilot.
Wait a minute, are you saying that waddling around the track course at an advanced age, playing golf, and taking flying lessons are impressive? Last I checked, one tends to ‘be a pilot’ after enough hours are logged, meaning all you did was take lessons and reserved some hours in a plane. That is not (much of) an accomplishment. One tends to be a good golfer if you spend A LOT of time golfing, and ditto for track and field. What you described is just a random retired guy playing sports and taking lessons, as if THAT is unusual or noteworthy.
Wait, there’s more that makes me different than you: I haven’t let my age or accomplishments shrivel my brain or drag me into some pathetic state of entitlement where I’ve convinced myself that just because I’m wrinkled means I’m wise.
So you claim a humility that is abrogated by everything you’ve written here. Yes, aside from that, excellent point.
The only thing your scattered thinking proves is that old people can be stupid, too.
Definitively true, as you’ve so clearly demonstrated.
Now put up or shut up. And that goes for your “friends” too.
OK, I’ll play. Lay it on me, professor. Maybe you can explain this little statement you made up in Comment #80: “If you don’t like it here in America, leave! I hear israel is nice this time of year.”
From where I’m sitting, given that Mongoose revealed himself a Jewish-American, you look like an anti-Semite. Quite common for men of your generation.
Please explain.
Navarette gets out in front of the curve for the next two years — deflect attention from Obama’s incompetence by accusing the critics of racism. Otherwise, the American people might actually begin to notice that the last two+ weeks have shown that Obama has no clue what he is doing other than trying to fill up the Democratic pork barrel by scaring the s*** out of the American people.
129 Jack T. wrote :
As soon as we can get most of the old ignorant racists to die off, and more progressive intelligent people in power, we can move forward and finally remove the race label all together. Which is how is should be.
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Your Statement just qualified you at best to be ……. Totally , Totally Stupid , Moronic , Racist and Just for the record Jerk Off .
If it had not been for the American White man Japan , Germany and Russia would Control the (Free) World and you would be digging for Roots to eat in Africa while staying to stay alive out of tribal warfare that has been going
on in Africa for 3000 years .
We give Africa billions but the country is getting far worse ….. You Blacks took over Two Financially Thriving countries now that both are in totally Poverty and the Murder and crime rate in off the map .
America needs to have 74 % Black out of Wedlock babies ? 38 % don’t grad High school ? Some black cities 50 % and our prison population is 62 % Black when your only 12 % of the Population . Detroit has received One Trillion dollars in Welfare in the last 12 years and still looks like a Third world city ….. yet crime is worse ,74 % babies out of wedlock , none skilled workers , 51 % don’t grad high school and there are more Murders there than deaths in Iraq yearly as there is for 12 other black cities
Your Progressivism sucks and does your Intelligence level .
Obama is on the road to implelenting best practices. Regulation and economic prowess from bankrupt california and a Centralized regulated marxist culture from Venezuela. Obama is a tanned Jimmy Carter. Melanin enhancement won’t conqure the economy.
I find it amazing that it’s always the libs who are focused on race and class. There’s a lesson to learn in that.
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, the black founder and President of BOND Action, Inc., recently stated on Hannity that over 90% of blacks in America are racist….with a Hispanic majority adding to that sentiment. I live in the uber multicultural city of Toronto. Diversity and tolerance is fed to new-borns here. The sad thing is that most of the racist and particularly anti-semitic(and for that matter, sexist) comments I have heard in my life came from non-whites. It’s time for whites to take back pride and start de-bunking this myth.
Aureliano:
No, I’m not an anti-Semite, You’ll have to turn to Sean Hannity or Billy Graham for that. I’m an anti-idiot. I offered some actual facts because Mongoose, in his deathless prose, presumed to know my story. He couldn’t have been more wrong, just like the rest of his insights. And now you chime in with the same certainty, right down to my “little 2BR condo in Tahoe.” Congratulations on your degrees in English and history. If you had just stuck with it you could have earned another one in psychology and been the proud owner of the three most worthless degrees in education. As for the MBA, I can get one through the effing mail, something I’m sure you can confirm.
Now as to your stinging powers of observation . . . “So lay it on me, genius – why don’t you tell me your zip code in California (probably the Bay Area).” . . . What would lead you to believe live in California? What deep wet fold of your brain produced that nugget of knowledge? Could it be the same fold that produces all your thoughts and judgments? I think so. You see, I don’t live in California. That’s just for faggots and Mexicans. Don’t take my word for it, ask anybody on this board. (Just do a search for “boy” or “Mister Tambourine Man”. Who knows, you might make some new friends.
Now about that Purple Heart in my tackle box. You didn’t mention your military service. Or are you one of the millions who “serve here on the home front” by putting yellow ribbons on your car? Yeah, that sounds right to me, yellow ribbons and maybe a small donation to the DAV. Thanks, Mr. Nipple, thanks but no thanks. The only thing you’ve ever contributed to is the real estate values in California. (How they doing by the way?) Until you can prove you actually added to society – raising a family, defending a nation – I think you should stay focused on becoming all that you can be – I suggest you try to being a medalist in masters track and field, or maybe a scratch golfer, or a pilot . . . You think they’re easy, well give one a try. Go ahead, get off your fat ass and actually try something. Call back when you achieved something difficult. Until then stick with Internet porn. It’s less demanding.
Anti-semite. Sorry, you’ll have to turn to Sean Hannity or Billy Graham for that.
I really haven’t seen evidence that Obama’s race has been the topic of discussion much at all yet.
I have seen a lot of discussion about the economy.
As many have posted, Naverette is just doing his job as a Useful F(t)ool of the Left. they know that Socialism must be installed under the guise of ‘fairness’ and the PC ideology regarding multicultural equality. Any and all opposition must be discredited with labeling such as Racist, Christian Right, Hatemonger, etc. This Tool has become so obvious I wonder how effective it remains.
vivo,
If you think you already knew the outcome of these postings, why did you feel the need to post anything at all on this thread. Your rhetoric doesn’t necessitate your own inclusion of yourself among your clear headed folk, either. You are not that smart, son.
Reuben, get over yourself. The reason people attack you is that you approach every subject as if it has something to do with race and culture. I guess race and culture are your special things, and when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail, etc. But eventually this schtick gets really old. How about you stop obsessing about Obama’s racial background and focus on his performance as President? That’s what most of us are really interested in.
I came late to this thread, and maybe it’s all academic now, but for what it’s worth, I think maybe mongoose was a bit quick on the draw about Emma’s (13) comment. The way I read it, the “redneck hick” comment was simply a reference to the comments by Tom Brokaw quoted in the article. Read her comment again. Seems inoffensive to me.
Likewise, Aureliano’s (48) comment was obviously pure satire. Relax, people.
Tell you what; here’s a target you all, leftists and conservatives alike, can attack together. A genuine, unapologetic racist. The arguments here all miss the point. You all talk about melanin and skin colour as if that’s the only difference between the races. Nonsense. Think about it. If different human populations have evolved in isolation from each other, and have diverged to the point that they look so different from each other, is it likely that the only differences between them would be the visible ones? If forensic anthropologists can differentiate the races by their skeletons; if some medical drugs have different effects on people of different races; aren’t the differences more than skin deep?
And if human populations have diverged, isn’t it reasonable that the greatest differences would be in the characteristics that have evolved most recently? To be precise, in the brain?
The “father of genetics”, James Watson, innocently made this point in conversation with a reporter, and was crucified for it by all and sundry, including (disgracefully) the “scientific” establishment. Disappointingly, he thought he could save himself by grovelling, but of course all he did was completely destroy his own integrity. But, be honest now, apart from the fact that nobody wanted to hear it, what’s wrong with that point of view? I don’t mean politically incorrect; what’s invalid about it?
I live in Africa, and I often say that everybody who has lived in Africa is a racist, black or white. Meaning, nobody here believes that the races are equivalent. There are political activists who would like it to be true, and who pretend that they believe it’s true, but they are liars.
The fact is, black people are not “just like white folks, only richer in melanin”. They are different. They’re not confused about that. Only brainwashed or ignorant white people are.
So, here’s my prediction, and it’s a blatantly racist view. What you are about to experience will be Jimmy Carter on steroids meets OJ Simpson, and that’s the optimistic view. You read it here first. Now, fire away, shoot me down, but check back with me in four years.
Incidentally, it’s not just my view. Here’s a black PhD who thinks so, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuEc-nFULY8
Anti-semite. Sorry, you’ll have to turn to Sean Hannity or Billy Graham for that.
Ah. An anti-semite and an anti-Christian bigot, as well (and somebody who seems to rely on television for his news). I’m tempted to make a point about a certain politician who for 20 years attended a church in Chicago with an explicitly anti-Semitic pastor, but somebody else can undoubtedly handle that.
This will seem slightly off-topic, but will in fact reveal itself as central to your doddering sensibilities. The year 1968, the peak of the Vietnam War, was 41 years ago. As much time has passed between now and then as had passed between 1968 and 1927.
Try to keep in mind as you blunder about on this Web site that to younger generations your politics look about as relevant, current, and progressive as a flapper doing the Charleston at Woodstock.
You REALLY ought to make a concerted effort to keep up with the times, and you can start by dropping the Hollywood-quality stereotypes and creaky old prejudices. At least TRY to pretend it’s 2009, not 1968.
And for God’s sake, read a book — a real book, not some Howard Zinn nonsense or an Obama autobiography. Sports are for young people, or retired folks who don’t have enough going on upstairs. My generation has a name for lying, golf-playing sporto lawyers ….
“cheese”
(And speaking of cheese, let the discussion return to a certain pundit named Ruben Navarrette, Jr. ….)
#149 WestWright:
“Any and all opposition must be discredited with labeling such as Racist, Christian Right, Hatemonger, etc. This Tool has become so obvious I wonder how effective it remains.”
Not for very much longer I think, and therein lies a great peril to the game that Navarette and his ilk are playing.
See, if you keep hitting the “Racist” alarm button for every little thing no matter how tenuously it can be linked to real and actual racism,(which DOES exist, everywhere), then it’s just human nature that sooner or later people will start to ignore it.
How many of you have learned to drive your car with a “Check Engine” light on?
(Here’s a freebie: disconnect and then reconnect the battery, that often clears it).
Not that Navarette and his compadres give it much thought,(if they give any at all), but what happens when people not only ignore a charge of racism, but are actively hostile to the charge?
Do we want to go there?
And here’s an even darker scenario…if White, (or ANY folks for that matter), are going to constantly be accused of something that they may not necessarily be guilty of, what percentile of them are going to say:
“To Hell with it! If they’re gonna call me one, I might as well BE one!” ?
With Caucasians making up something like %56 of a population of 300 miliion or so, (don’t bother informing Pelosi), even %1 of that Caucasian sub-set would mean nearly 17 million racists…along with God knows how many tens of millions more who simply won’t WANT to hear it when real and actual acts of racism ARE committed.
I don’t think Navarette’s mind is large enough to wrap itself around the kind of America that that he might very well be helping to create.
I’m rather surprised that nobody has pointed this out before.
My favorite quote from this article: “The fact that Americans just elected Barack Obama president says more about our capacity to knock down walls than our tendency to erect new ones.”
That says a lot about what America is all about and what we should aspire to be. Judging by some of the above posts, a lot of folks here just don’t get it.
Why does everyone try to make it a racial thing?
We should be focusing on the leftist agenda. In three weeks President Obama has managed to pit race against race, rich against poor, censorship against free speech and democrats against republicans. I think I remember something about “bringing us all together”.
My favorite quote from this article: “The fact that Americans just elected Barack Obama president says more about our capacity to knock down walls than our tendency to erect new ones.”
That says a lot about what America is all about and what we should aspire to be.
Indeed. And what the Navarrettes of the world don’t seem to understand is that criticizing Obama for his politics, which is to say to treat him like you would any other politician, is an expression of the ideal.
To treat him with kid gloves because he’s half-black is what is backwards, not the hammering of him for his flubs, his world view, his policies, and his power grabs.
That’s just (mostly) normal politics and normal political criticism. Navarrette and his ilk (i.e., other liberal Democrats) want to shut down that criticism by claiming the criticism is race-based.
In short, Ruben plays a part in creating the race-based world he claims to oppose. Those of us who have read his work know that he doesn’t REALLY oppose a racially divided populace — he just wants the dominant race to be anything but white, preferably Hispanic. If whites were emigrating to America by the millions and voting Republican (while Hispanics were declining as a percentage of the overall population), he’d be first in line to discover suddenly strict immigration policies.
He is a racial triumphalist, pure and simple, with frequent spasms of true racism.
This is great – It draws all the wingnuts out to the bait where they expose their ignorance for others to see
Obama is a thug. It doesn’t matter if he’s a white thug or a black thug. His race is totally irrelavent. He come from a political background that only knows the power grab. They get the power through thuggery. They keep it through thuggery.
35. Rusty:
It’s at least nice to see people talking about it. Like we haven’t noticed Mr. Navarette, our new president IS black. It is part of his social identity – how people see him. Clinton (the new one) is female, McCain is old, Lieberman is Jewish, and so on and so on. Biden said it himself, “Obama is a clean cut black man.” Anyone who denies that they don’t lump people into groups is in denial.
Are white males afraid? I wouldn’t use the word afraid, but we are cautious. I’ve got a question that may help put it in perspective. Were black Americans afraid of McCain?
Feb 8, 2009 – 6:57 am
Good one, Rusty. I think the last sentence above says it all. Navarrette Jr. is all over the map all the time. He irritates me 95% of the time, especially about illegal immigration which he refuses to recognize as illegal. I think comment #1 vivo has it right. Navarrette is just stirring the pot for jollies. Makes him feel superior to get people angry enough to comment.
It’s only been three weeks and the white liberals I know are already squirming and refusing to talk about Obama. The lack of experience is becoming clear and his stupid giveaway payoff spendulus bill is starting to really grate on them. Yes they have mortgages to pay and mouths to feed and many are facing layoffs.
You vote for a street walker, you get a jive talking street walker. What did you expect a seasoned executive who has never done anything significant in their entire life.
HaHaHa … The communists have been running this scam on people, promising them free stuff for votes, for the entire 20th century.
Mister man,
Boy are you good – oops, please don’t be offended by my use of the word “BOY”. I happen to enjoy puns and alliteration as examples of a joy in the use of language. Language is incredibly important to the human condition as it serves as the sole definer of knowledge past and present as evinced by our oral mutterings and even your feeble scratching in electronic ink. It’s a shame that your degree in journalism didn’t teach you that a thesaurus is a compendium of the elements of language, a treasure trove whose taxonomy is not solely useful for some tatty, tiresome, teetering, tumultuous twit such as your non-legerdemain self to look up synonyms – tatty is to tawdry as apparently “mister man” is to ignorant. And before “you start bragging on yourself thusly…” (#134), please pick up a hard copy dictionary and discover that my use of the word ”ignorant” simply means that although your monumental ego makes you think you know everything, you quite obviously do not. I wish you had taken my original advice to add substantive discussion but your arrogance precludes that.
It is precisely the arrogance that you evince which makes people not trust the likes of President Obama, not the color of his skin. It does not surprise me that you adore him and show contempt for the rest of us, the unwashed masses as that fulfills your need for a higher secular authority to tell you what/who is worthy in this life – from your chosen pseudonym one would think that you find yourself worthy but the pseudo-science of psychology not withstanding, I think it simply masks a small child’s insecurity and railing against supposed injustice.
For your continued edification in journalism and ars lingua:
Alliteration in Latin
By Tracy Peck, 1884
Professor in Yale College
The Latin language shares with other languages a disposition to emphasize an idea by some form of repetition, as by the reduplication of the root, the iteration of the same word or words, anaphora, the figura etymologica, assonances in any part of a word, puns and rhyme: but in the manifold uses of alliteration the Latin probably goes far beyond any other cultivated speech. Alliteration is here used in its narrowest sense, the recurrence, namely, of the initial letter… It is especially prominent in the earlier writers of the Republic: it obtrudes itself with over frequency in Ennius and Plautus…
So then “mister man” I guess that your retort to me in #134 – “Much the way a pun is regarded as the lowest and least creative form of humor, alliteration is regarded the same way in writing” – just shows your disdain for western civilization as a whole. Oh wait, there we are again right back around to the point.
Mister man,
Bombastic much?
#133
“Now put up or shut up. And that goes for your “friends” too.”
#134
“And so I say to you, too. Put up or shut up. You people are going to have to elevate your game. I was looking for a challenge. I guess I should have known better than to expect actual thought from someplace with Pajamas in its name. Is that because you all agree to wear pajamas while you post? is that some kind of secret code?”
You should have said “and your little dog tooooo”. That better fits the caricature you represent. I think you’ve been properly answered by all who care to partake. Methinks your elevator doesn’t quite reach the top. Perhaps it’s just due to your flaccid pencil neck not being able to support that hot air filled balloon brain. Consider your gauntlet picked up from the gutter where you left it and then tossed nonchalantly back …
cocollins – chapeau mon ami.
Merci for your muster of lingual manifestations more masterful than most. My own “tawdry” attempt pales in comparison to the pulchritudinous playful picture that you paint. They are but platitudes with no place when likened to the Latin of our illustrious, long lost kin.
Mm. Looks like the golf-playing lawyer-boy’s got his dander up, and that his post at #148 showed up before his post at #147 (Aureliano shakes fist at Pajamas Media moderator). I apologize to the rest of the commentors, but I rather enjoy making fun of bigoted lawyers who think they’re ethical, high-minded, and clever (really they’re just used car salesmen with a degree).
I’m an anti-idiot.
Well, self-hate IS famously an attribute of the Left.
I offered some actual facts because Mongoose, in his deathless prose, presumed to know my story.
Ah. A high-minded individual, are you? Immune to assumption and prejudice? Except that mongoose claimed to have advanced degrees and you immediately responded with “it’s obvious you don’t hold them. No one who has taken the time and applied the discipline required to get several advance degrees could remain so screamingly ignorant.” So aside from the fact that you immediately made presumptions, you’re exactly right that you hold not making presumptions in high regard. What a fine case you’ve made ….
He couldn’t have been more wrong, just like the rest of his insights. And now you chime in with the same certainty, right down to my “little 2BR condo in Tahoe.”
Accusation by proxy, cheese, accusation by proxy. I’ll wait for you to look up the word proxy before you compose your Shakespearean ‘journalistic’ snarky response.
Congratulations on your degrees in English and history. If you had just stuck with it you could have earned another one in psychology and been the proud owner of the three most worthless degrees in education.
Ah, well, I got those worthless degrees out of the way by age 20, while you were still wasting time with a degree in journalism, another ‘worthless’ degree, but apparently and nevertheless quite the challenge to you. Hell, you couldn’t even master HIGH SCHOOL curricula until the age of 18. I’d already been in college for two years by that time. yeah, mister man, you’re quite the genius, as evidenced by someone dumb enough to focus earlier on someone’s supposed lack of language skills while later trying to belittle another’s actual training in language, and belittling a degree in history in a political forum because, as we all know, history is irrelevant in the world of politics, as any military veteran will attest. Yes, mister man, your towering intellect is something to behold ….
As for the MBA, I can get one through the effing mail, something I’m sure you can confirm.
True, some get degrees ‘through the effing mail’. Then again, my MBA wasn’t through the effing mail, in fact I received it from a effing private school not far from effing Berkeley. In my case the effing degree was just an unfinished effing project to complete, I wanted to know how to put together a well thought out effing business effing plan, and I effing needed it as an effing precursor to getting an effing PhD in organizational theory, which I was considering at the effing time. Strangely the MBA had little to do with my early effing retirement.
But hey, you keep telling yourself that your Northwestern/Berkeley cheese was top-of-the-line.
What would lead you to believe live in California? What deep wet fold of your brain produced that nugget of knowledge?
Probably the same deep wet fold that could discern that a law degree wasn’t really going to be useful to me after all –- which is why I never bothered to finish the JD. I’d thought of something better to do than practice law. Perhaps it was the same deep wet fold that could discern that it’s not necessary to waste mommy’s and daddy’s money on a ‘useless’ BA in JOURNALISM from an expensive private university, unless one needs pedigree as a substitute for actual ability.
Could it be the same fold that produces all your thoughts and judgments? I think so. You see, I don’t live in California.
I think you’re a liar. One doesn’t travel across the country to attend Berkeley law. While it’s an admirable program, it isn’t good enough to bother with a cross-country trek, particularly for the pedigree minded. Of course, you may not have been good enough to get into those other programs, I’ll grant. Regardless, I’m just fishing for information. You’re apparently too bigotry-bound to discern that your protestations reveal more about yourself than you imagine. Revealing info is fine (I have), but you’re the cheesy lawyer, not me, so I won’t be talking myself into corners. Aren’t you guys supposed to be experts at argumentation?
That’s just for faggots and Mexicans. Don’t take my word for it, ask anybody on this board. (Just do a search for “boy” or “Mister Tambourine Man”. Who knows, you might make some new friends.
Yes. Faggots and Mexicans. That’s what we’re ALL thinking. Excellent insights.
Now about that Purple Heart in my tackle box. You didn’t mention your military service. Or are you one of the millions who “serve here on the home front” by putting yellow ribbons on your car?
I didn’t mention my charitable work, either. Or are you one of the millions who “help the disadvantaged” only by voting for Democrats? (Oh, and by playing golf and wasting time with track competitions). Your medal is apropos of nothing. I believe you when you say you have it, but what, o Juggernaut of Intellectual Perspicacity, does that have to do with anything? I did not begrudge your service.
(I did consider joining the marines when I was 24 (my father was a marine), but I decided I didn’t want to be a baby-killer like you. Just kidding. Thought I’d channel a famous little insight from your political tribe …)
Thanks, Mr. Nipple, thanks but no thanks. The only thing you’ve ever contributed to is the real estate values in California. (How they doing by the way?) Until you can prove you actually added to society – raising a family, defending a nation
How dumb is that? Lawyer-boy decries presumptions, and then is dumb enough to think a man my age doesn’t have a family because … well, just because. And listen up, ye olde leftover from a bygone era, that you served doesn’t absolve you of your foolishness and apparent lack of character and class. It’s a shield or a bludgeon only if your opponent lets it be, and that won’t work on me. You’d know that if you had any real talent and weren’t just walking Velveeta.
I suggest you try to being a medalist in masters track and field, or maybe a scratch golfer, or a pilot . . . You think they’re easy, well give one a try. Go ahead, get off your fat ass and actually try something.
I’m 6’3” and 175 lbs., but thank you for playing. Please spare us the horsesh*t with sports and flying. My peer group was once high-tech executives, and those jackasses always picked up a hobby to mask their overall single-mindedness and narrow sensibilities. The favorites were sailing or flying (and golf, of course). To me you’re just a doink who can’t think of anything truly interesting to do, and pedestrian in every sense of the word. To me you’re cliché. A salesman.
Call back when you achieved something difficult. Until then stick with Internet porn. It’s less demanding.
Heh. Actually, I hear getting it up in front of a camera is rather difficult. Mmm, maybe I’ll give that a try. It’s about as admirable as playing golf all day and running around a track in my little shorty-shorts thinking anybody really gives a poop about it.
I can’t concentrate. I am under Mister Man’s Svengali-like spell, marveling at his rapier wit, Aristotelian logic, and imagining what a peek inside his trophy case must be like. I tremble as I type this.
He has plucked the mote of racism from my once-muddled eye with great aplomb. I renounce my backward, neanderthal past, and curse the xenophobe I once was!
Thank you Mister Man!
I await further instructions from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Dear Leader, I am your chattel. Use me as you see fit.
HT,
et à vous aussi, monsieur.
To have a romance with language is to have a romance language – does that sound snobby? Well, now that I read it, it just sounds …
aureliano,
Excellent job of refutation… now stop kicking the troll. He’s dead already except maybe to vivo and other like minded individuals who no doubt found him just as brilliant as he himself thinks he is. “mister man’s” deliciously rediculous and bellicose pontifications are now simply echoes in the vaulted empty halls which serve in place and space of their brains. Take that you homo sapiens ad hominems you. Oh yeah, pffflt – now picture tongue sticking out of mouth with spittle flying.
This argument about certain words related to “That One” took a pseudo intellectual dimension thanks to one guy named “mister man” who loves to call other posters as “David, you’re a douche bag- quote.
Listen up “mister man”, a.k.a. douche bag:
I am not an intellectual but unless you can inflect Latin nouns like homo, hominem, hominis…, don’t write stupid things like what you did above: it was a clear ad homeium fallacy because now we know you are an unintelligent rube.
In England the hard left declared war on anybody who offends a person of color by saying “GOLLIWOG.
In this country the PC Word Wardens banned the words like Boy or boy, Hussein, Kenyan, Messiah, darkie… and the list goes longer by the day. For the left the Messiah is an untouchable demigod because of his skin color is the Politically Correct Hexadecimal #802A2A and that’s all you may say because they are unsure whether R:99 G:27 B:18 is progressive or not.
Listen up “mister man”: until your Hex#802A2A people don’t abolish the 1st.Am. we are free to disrespect or despise anybody including That One and you too; – we can use any word we wish and you can pound sand. We shall not be intimidated, nor feel threatened by either the radical Bolsheviks, Leftist, Marxist nor the Hex#802A2A goons. You shall not take over the public discourse on this forum and we consider you as an earthworm.
Go back to school and learn Latin declensions before you quote any.
HT,
OT, my favorite author of all time remains Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet). I believe he still holds the records for “Most Satirical Smartass” and “Most likely to be kicked out of a country and piss off the elite”. Whether you like the France of today or not, you’ve gotta give credit to their contributions to literature and science – yeah I know, in hindsight, that whole cult of reason chopping off of heads revolution thingy probably wasn’t such a good idea. Then again, “C’est la vie”.
RACE????? We’re under the threat of the Generational Theft Act and race is all you can think of? Good grief……..
Well, don’t worry, Ruben; the way I hear it, there are no jobs pegged for white males in the pork-a-palooza and Charlie Rangel says they’ll make sure most of the money is spent in the ‘hood. As for myself, I’d have to get past Dear Leader’s Marxism before I could entertain concerns about his race. That ain’t gonna happen.
Hey! mr. tambourine man, play a song for me,
I’m not sleepy and there is no place i’m going to.
Hey! mr. tambourine man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning i’ll come followin’ you.
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.
If you don’t all start to behave–you too Mr man–I’m going to bring back chuck pelto.
I do not care about the color of his skin. I care about his functionality. I cared about the specific gene pool from which
he has arrived. Jung referred to it as racial memory–without
the ugly connotation of racism. It is who we are–our cultural
DNA. It would seem, unless I am in error, that our president’s
recent utterances possess the cadences of an itinerant preacher.
Were we fooled into believing that he was not another fake created
by affirmative action? At the risk of being perceived as someone
who I am not, I assure you, I cannot help but think that 300 years
ago while our forebears were in the midst of creating a new nation,
the leader-of-our-nation’s forebears may very well have been eating
insects with their fingers on a continent without even a history of
having a written language. Am I being impolite by stating such a
random thought? Am I incorrect? Or did, in fact, unbeknown to our
historians, said continent, in truth, possess a history of art, music,
and literature? Given the proper amount of time, our educators–at
least those for whom education is a curing of social ills rather than
knowledge–will have us believe it to be so, I dare say.
Gee, a black president? He’s a Harvard Lawyer, a brief senator, comes out of Chicago politics, most of his friends and fellow travelers on the long march through the institutions are radical and white; good god Girtie what a bash, but he sounds mighty white to me. I notice that most of the open border’s crowd hangs out in those institutions of higher learning too which, the last I looked, were not exactly over run with red necks, Rubin.
Our first “EEO Appointment” has all white people working for Him, so when things start going bad (or even worse), He will claim RACISM.And the First Skank is coaching Him on this too.
The PROBLEMS are just starting. We The People shall regret this Coronation forever.
As a native american I wonder why the libs think how Obama is going to make communism work when Brezhnev, Gorbachov, Nikita Kruschev could not? What scares us most is of Obamas support for upping the population of the USA by opening the borders. The reservation here is already getting crowded by illegals and I for one don’t want to see this nation crowded as India and China. Most of the negative remarks directed to Obama are about his politics and not his race.
OK, kids, pay attention and see how this is done. Like shooting bears in a cage. You’re gonna wanna stay with this one. (Gonna wanna . . . I like the sound of that.)
170. Thomas, writes . . . “Listen up “mister man”: until your Hex#802A2A people don’t abolish the 1st.Am. we are free to disrespect or despise anybody including That One and you too; – we can use any word we wish and you can pound sand. You shall not take over the public discourse on this forum and we consider you as an earthworm.”
MM . . . Despise whoever you like. (That’s what we call a curious construction. It’s also a chance for all of you to Google “who or whom”). I never said using “boy” was illegal. I said it was racist. Scratch that, you’re racist. As for “public discourse” I thought that meant “public discourse.” I stand corrected.
169. cocollins writes . . . “mister man’s” deliciously rediculous and bellicose pontifications are now simply echoes in the vaulted empty halls which serve in place and space of their brains. Take that you homo sapiens ad hominems you. Oh yeah, pffflt – now picture tongue sticking out of mouth with spittle flying.
MM . . . It only sounds like reediculous. As for the rest, I clearly see Voltaire’s influence on your writing. Prolific you are! Voltaic! (No, wait, that’s a battery or something.) Tell me, do you smell of cabbage as he did? It’s one of Benjamin Franklin’s first memories of his fellow Freemason. But I digest.
By the way, if you can’t phonetically write the sound of a “strawberry” and have to describe it, well, it’s not worth the effort.
167. GordonStands writes . . . I can’t concentrate. I am under Mister Man’s Svengali-like spell, marveling at his rapier wit, Aristotelian logic, and imagining what a peek inside his trophy case must be like. I tremble as I type this. He has plucked the mote of racism from my once-muddled eye with great aplomb. I renounce my backward, neanderthal past, and curse the xenophobe I once was! Thank you Mister Man!
MM . . . You’re welcome. And that’s Mister Mister Man to you. Stand by for further instructions.
41. Mongoose writes . . . (Liberals) have a very hard time out there in flyover country making a living, because out there one has to actually do something useful to earn a living. This is just why most of them are not out there–they cannot make a living there. They also would be shunned, not because of their political opinions, but because of their immorality and foul behavior.
MM . . . Rather than take it from Mongoose, a conservative from NYC, I’ll tell you why a liberal like me leaves his flyover hometown – to explore the world in search of something interesting. I can earn a living detasseling corn or driving a forklift at Lowes just as well as the next guy. You know why I don’t? I don’t want to! I like the ocean. I like the mountains. I like having more than two movies to choose from. I like concerts. I like to go to a restaurant now and then that doesn’t have a drive-through. You want to spend your Sunday in Kookie’s Kafe waiting for the health inspector to approve the deep fryer, that’s fine. Have at it. I know, I’m elite!
53. Mongoose, when asked by an acolyte of intolerance, if he has his own blog, writes . . . No, I do not. I hang over at the Belmont Club a lot. I am starting to post other places on PJM these day. I have had about all I can take of these vipers.
MM . . . OK, it’s off to the Belmont Club! See you there. I look forward to some public discourse, unless it whites only. Look for my merry band of hookers and druggies and strippers and drinkers and laughers.
And then there’s Maude, or as he calls himself, Aureliano. I like to call him Mr. Nipple.
At #141 he responds to me having three homes . . . That’s cute. A retired man who owns more than one house. Hey, tell you what, I’ll compare the equity I have in all the properties I own in California which allowed me to retire at age 38 to your little houses. All you did was upgrade once to a large house, keep the older one to rent, then at some point buy a duplex (probably 20 years ago) to rent, or perhaps to buy a little 2BR condo in Tahoe.
MM . . . Nip, Nip, Nip . . . That’s quite the scenario you’ve cooked up. And that’s fine. Fantasizing is normal. Just don’t let it get away from you. Now here’s a key piece of information: I didn’t say three “houses.” I said three “homes.” I live in them, and one isn’t even in this country! Where do you think it is? Mexico? No. Canada? No. Uh-oh, better get out the globe. It’s quite far away. Some would call it exotic. Some would call it paradise. Nobody would call it San Jose.
Same post he responds to my daughter being a chemical engineer . . . Oh please. Being a chemical engineer means taking classes in chemistry and chemical engineering.
MM . . . Well, what can I say? You got me dead to rights, Mr. Nipple. Though I can’t for the life of me figure out why you would attack a bright, hard-working young woman’s college education, when you spend so much time telling everyone about your degrees. You got an MBA, right? Oh please. Getting an MBA means taking classes in business and business administration.
Later he writes . . . I’m 6’3” and 175 lbs., but thank you for playing. Please spare us the horsesh*t with sports and flying. My peer group was once high-tech executives . . .
MM . . . I got you by a couple of inches, know what mean? This is Mr. Nipple’s way of saying he doesn’t need to accomplish anything anymore, because anybody who does what I do as hobbies – compete at a masters level in track and field, play scratch golf, and pilot my own jet helicopter – we only do that because we . . . “can’t think of anything truly interesting to do . . . running around a track in your little shorty-shorts thinking anybody really gives a poop about it.”
MM . . . Honest to God, are you five years old? Or maybe locked up somewhere using the nurse’s computer? You sound like a complete sociopath.
Later he writes . . . I’m working on my fourth college degree, just for laughs.
MM . . . Between that and your peer group of high-tech executives you must be a lot of fun at parties. “Hey, everybody, it’s the IT guy! Say, Areola, seriously, could you defragment my hard drive?”
Later he writes . . . . So you claim a humility that is abrogated by everything you’ve written here.
MM . . . Now I typically let things like this go by . . . the abrogated thing. This is not the word you think you mean, Mr. Nipple. This is a classic deficit of pretty much everybody on this board – vocabulary. Big words that are the wrong words . . . or worse yet, big words used in an attempt to hide a baby’s mind . . .
like this from cocollins . . . “It’s a shame that your degree in journalism didn’t teach you that a thesaurus is a compendium of the elements of language, a treasure trove whose taxonomy is not solely useful for some tatty, tiresome, teetering, tumultuous twit such as your non-legerdemain self to look up synonyms.”
Or this from Mr. Nipple . . . “o Juggernaut of Intellectual Perspicacity”
MM . . . That is just embarrassing. I haven’t used “perspicacity” since my junior year in high school, back when I was reading “She Stoops to Conquer.” And it gets worse . . . evince, preclude, manifold, not withstanding (should be one word), refutation. It goes on and on. Absolutely insufferable. I earned my living as a writer for 28 years. Everybody thinks they can do it, but damn few can. It’s really hard to do well. I’m not talking about the random typo. Everybody does that. It takes years to master the fundamentals, years more to set them aside and develop your own style. What you people do isn’t writing. It’s unskilled, overblown, incomprehensible bullshit. And no amount of cutting and pasting can hide that.
I’m sure you’re all nice enough people. And it looks like you’re all veterans of this Pajama Party, which means you’ve spent way too much time offering up “touché” and “good one!” and “that’ll leave a bruise” in support of each other’s unlettered opinions. But trust me on this, you’re not writers. You’re not critical thinkers. You’re not particularly smart. And perhaps the worst of it all, you’re not interesting.
I’m going to go now. (Insert “screen door” cliché here . . . perhaps something about me “daning to grace you with my presents” . . . wait, wait . . . “Come back when you grow up, Mister Man(BOY!) . . . bwaa-aaa-aa-aa-aa-aa-aa”.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
151. Jim Baker:
“Your rhetoric doesn’t necessitate your own inclusion of yourself among your clear headed folk, either.”
This was the exception to the rule. Hope you are clear headed enough to understand this.
Mister man – As long you’re telling everyone to “put up or shut up” why won’t you answer my question @126? I already know the answer, but I wonder if you do.
And so, mister moderator, you protect the toadies. I’m not surprised. You gotta admit, that last one was pretty damn good.
And the peacock resorts to self congratulatory fluff, after having proclaimed the rest of the participants as being neither intelligent nor interesting.
Interesting enough though to expend more than one or two sentences propping up his canards it seems.
Anyway, I have learned that such debate is futile. If Mr. Mr. doesn’t see it now, I can’t imagine that he ever will. He will most likely enjoy his socialist paradise via rationalization and moral relativism. Good for him. He seems like a terrific guy, and I’ll bet he’s a lot of fun at parties.
In the meantime, we cows, horses, sheep and chickens will stare up at the commandments written on the barn wall and scratch our heads, certain that we remembered them differently. Needless to say, the pigs will be drinking whiskey in the farmhouse.
Have not yet heard a socialist yet explain how BO will help the economy when The Soviets could not nor the North Koreans and Cubans. Please explain soon.
I didn’t say three “houses.” I said three “homes.” I live in them, and one isn’t even in this country! Where do you think it is? Mexico? No. Canada? No. Uh-oh, better get out the globe. It’s quite far away. Some would call it exotic. Some would call it paradise. Nobody would call it San Jose.
So what’s more likely, that a golf-playing lawyer-boy will be honest about his accomplishments, his investments, and his abilities, or that said lawyer-boy will flail about hilariously trying to ‘one-up’ anybody who challenges him, thinking it’s a sports competition to be ‘won’. So far mister man is: 1) Rambo, 2) Shakespeare, 3) Matlock, and 4) Bill Gates, and now he’s 5) James Bond. Just keep talking, MM, just keep talking. Soon you’ll be a former governor, an astronaut, a physicist, and John Holmes risen from the grave. (The latter is important. As anybody who’s been around the block knows, golf-playing lawyer-boys will inevitably try to bring up the penis thing when they’re cornered.)
Well, what can I say? You got me dead to rights, Mr. Nipple. Though I can’t for the life of me figure out why you would attack a bright, hard-working young woman’s college education …
Oh that’s brilliant. You chafe when your daughter’s accomplishments are belittled, after having spent so much time (and inevitably will spend more time) belittling women on this board who have college degrees or a lifetime’s worth of experience. Later on in your screed you admonish others for lack of critical thinking skills. But statements like this really demonstrate the lack of your own. You aren’t even intelligent enough to monitor your own previous statements.
… when you spend so much time telling everyone about your degrees.
See above re: critical thinking skills. Given mister man’s claims, does anybody else think it’s worth at least a chuckle that he complains about boasting? It really is fun to poke fun at this guy — his responses are Pavlovian ….
You got an MBA, right? Oh please. Getting an MBA means taking classes in business and business administration.
Yes, isn’t it strange that a Master’s in Business Administration incorporates classes in business administration? Thanks for clearing that up, professor. I’m sure others on this board really needed your help on that one. Also: Weren’t you the one claiming that a graduate degree was an accomplishment, one that required discipline and intelligence to achieve? I guess it’s only a few advanced degrees that count, and lo-and-behold, one of these happens to be a degree you have. How very convenient (and predictable). Oh well, I’m still trying to figure out why a BA in English is ‘useless’ but a BA in Journalism is ‘useful’. After all, as everybody knows, nobody with a degree in English ever makes a living by writing ….
I got you by a couple of inches, know what mean?
Now what did I say about golf-playing lawyer-boys inevitably bringing up the penis thing?
This is Mr. Nipple’s way of saying he doesn’t need to accomplish anything anymore, because anybody who does what I do as hobbies – compete at a masters level in track and field, play scratch golf, and pilot my own jet helicopter – we only do that because we . . . “can’t think of anything truly interesting to do . . . running around a track in your little shorty-shorts thinking anybody really gives a poop about it.”
Oh please. Flying is nothing but taking lessons and reserving a vehicle for flying. Stop pretending like you need to be some sort of superman to ‘accomplish’ it. And we get it -– you’re an athlete. Whoo-hoo. As I said, sporto lawyers are cheese, and nobody cares what you do in your little track shorts. What’s next? Are you going to tell us about your BMW M5?
Listen, MM, like many people commenting here, I suspect, I have very robust points of reference, and I KNOW you’re cheese. Sporty-sport Velveetas treat politics like a team competition –- they try to ‘win’ discussions. You’re really not cut out for serious discussion because when you argue yourself into a corner, as all amateurs do when they keep trying to ‘one-up’ people, you retreat in infantile snark. Snark is for kids. You got snark in spades, kiddo, I’ll grant, but you just don’t have the chops for anything more weighty.
Honest to God, are you five years old? Or maybe locked up somewhere using the nurse’s computer? You sound like a complete sociopath.
Yes, yes, I’m five years old, secretly sociopathic, and locked up somewhere. You got me. You’re so … perspicacious.
Between that and your peer group of high-tech executives you must be a lot of fun at parties. “Hey, everybody, it’s the IT guy! Say, Areola, seriously, could you defragment my hard drive?”
I did work an IT job once, after my travels. I hated it. I quit, briefly thought about joining the marines, then shifted gears and started doing some of those other things I mentioned.
You seem skeptical and slightly intimidated that someone else can have a peer group of high-tech executives. You’re skeptical because you’re ignorant of what it really means to be an executive in that industry (not as much as you think), of what is really required to assemble the talent and to find funding for a start-up, and why once you make on ‘The List’, the founders of these companies will keep calling you to join the team when they sell their company and begin a new one. Once you’ve worked at one successful start-up, you’re a high-demand commodity for other start-ups. Once you make it onto three of four lists, you’re set for life. Of course, you need to work VERY hard and you’ll need to be talented enough to make onto the lists in the first place ….
If you spent more time around such truly high-powered individuals you’d know how ridiculous you look for lawyer-boy cheese like buying houses instead of investing your money intelligently. Oh, I know you’re going claim now that in addition to jet helicopter flying Rambo-like warrior-adventures, Shakepearean Pulitzer-wordsmithing, James Bond style world-hopping cosmopolitanism, and Olympian feats in your bulging shorty-shorts and plaid polyester golfing pants, you’re now going to claim that you’re a Buffet-Gates in a Green Beret. Go ahead, mister man — try that. After all, NOBODY has a point of reference around which they can call you on your bullsh*t. Nope. No one. Of course, I’m still waiting for you to tell me how your money is invested so that we can compare our tax rates. Come on, cheese — dazzle me with your financial acumen.
Now I typically let things like this go by . . . the abrogated thing. This is not the word you think you mean, Mr. Nipple. This is a classic deficit of pretty much everybody on this board – vocabulary. Big words that are the wrong words . . . or worse yet, big words used in an attempt to hide a baby’s mind . . .
That’s hilarious. Lawyer-boy thinks that abrogate is a big word, so when another uses it he believes they’re trying too hard because only a jet helicopter flying Shakespeare-Matlock-Buffet-Bond knows how to use big words.
It’s not a ‘big’ word, bumpkin. It’s synonymous with ‘annul’, or the phrase ‘do away with’. I know exactly what it means, and it was used appropriately. You really need to get ahold of yourself. You’ve got a middling talent for snark, I’ll grant, but your vocabulary isn’t particularly impressive. Snark ain’t talent, unless you work for Mad Magazine. If it were every teenager in the country would work for the New York Times.
That is just embarrassing. I haven’t used “perspicacity” since my junior year in high school, back when I was reading “She Stoops to Conquer.”
Funny, for one who claims such hyper-talent in writing and language, I would have thought you’d realize that overblown in that context was appropriate, and intentional. Maybe if I had changed it to ‘Intellectual Perspicaciousness’ or ‘Intellectual Perspicuity’ you would have gotten the joke, although I doubt it. Oh well, I guess you’re too busy tinkering with your jet helicopter (which I’m sure you built yourself with the help of your engineer-daughter using only rubber bands, tampons, and a really, really big mirror) to actually read between the lines.
And it gets worse . . . evince, preclude, manifold, not withstanding (should be one word), refutation. It goes on and on. Absolutely insufferable. I earned my living as a writer for 28 years. Everybody thinks they can do it, but damn few can. It’s really hard to do well. I’m not talking about the random typo. Everybody does that. It takes years to master the fundamentals, years more to set them aside and develop your own style.
Uh-huh. Because evince, preclude, and manifold are such ‘big’ words. Apparently they’re ‘big’ words to you, but to me they’re nothing to get your plaid shorty-shorts in a bunch. Also, from where I’m sitting, your “28 years” manifests themselves chiefly as juvenile sniping. Geez, I have a buddy who writes the most hilarious, most colorful, most fun-to-read snark I’ve ever read, and he has 0 years of ‘professional’ experience. Sorry, cheese, but you’re a hack at best, and you should have moved way beyond hackery after so many decades in the profession. I know I would have.
What you people do isn’t writing. It’s unskilled, overblown, incomprehensible bullshit. And no amount of cutting and pasting can hide that.
Some of it is unskilled and overblown. That which is incomprehensible is written primarily by those in a hurry, or those for whom English is a second (or third) language. Some just can’t write too good. But please, your ‘skills’ are rather juvenile. That you still worry about grammar at your age indicates that you’re a downstream talent at best, and even that is stretching it a bit. Only pretenders spend time worrying about such things. Making too much out of your modest writing ‘skills’ and trying to use them as a bludgeon is just another manifestation of cheese.
But trust me on this, you’re not writers. You’re not critical thinkers. You’re not particularly smart. And perhaps the worst of it all, you’re not interesting.
I thought you were adamantly opposed to the idea of presumption. Apparently, you’re only pissed off when somebody assumes something about you, and even angrier when somebody discerns something about you that is both accurate and unflattering. You HATE that I (and others) know you’re a cheese-ball and a liar. If you’d ever actually tried to have a real discussion about politics, you’d hate it when others pound you into oblivion for your silly regressive sensibilities.
Like I said: You’re a flapper doing the Charleston at Woodstock, and you’re simply too dense to know it.
@mister man
Your arrogant, overbearing pontification and incessant nagging at minor syntax errors that Foreign born posters might commit is unwarranted for you are unable to put Latin phrases correctly in writing yet you do it anyway.
You are an ungrateful BOY (boy=RACISM!) because in this Conservative forum you have the privilege to post your convoluted rants, to call others as “douche bag” while your comrades at the Hex#802A2A colored blogs in the ghetto like DailyKos or DU would censor and ban anybody who is not following the Party line set forth by the Politburo.
Anyone with a modicum of intellect can see that you are an old, failed self appointed “Classical Writer” in the same rank than Hemingway or Vergil of Rome.
You are ignored by the Hex#802A2A colored group so for you the only satisfaction left in you miserable life is to seek out some blogs and start pontificating, offending, belittling others because it yields you a perverse erotic pleasure.
Anyone who says that the word BOY is racist is a medical case and not worthy of further discussion.
And permit me to tell you under the protection of The First that if saying BOY-Messiah according to you is racist then so be it.
Still you are a douche bag and an earthworm.
“And so, mister moderator, you protect the toadies. I’m not surprised.
You idiot “douche bag”, can’t you see that not the toadies but you are protected here because still you can vomit your offenses uncensored and unhindered.
Are you blind too?
I think that most liberals, if you prodded them or plied them with a few martinis, would admit that it was the white in President Obama that made them feel more comfortable voting for him. I think they would also admit that voting for a half white, half black man was easier for them than voting for a white woman. I think that many liberals try to present themselves as all inclusive, but most of the time, the talk is from behind gated communities or inside of exclusive clubs, or from the safe comfort of college campuses. President Obama feels safe to them because although he claims a father from Africa he was raised and nurtured by a white family. President Obama might write books about how it was hard for a half white half black person making it in the world, but I also think that if prodded or plied with a couple of martinis would admit that it worked to his advantage having a foot in both races.
I also think that there are those (not sure about the author of this article) who are somewhat disappointed that there were not more problems after the election. Some newsworthy parades by the KKK or some black panthers pumping their fists at some whites would have been satisfying for them. I think this author and some commenters are fishing and no one is biting.
Nip, Nip, Nip . . .
First you write about my daughter . . . Oh please. Being a chemical engineer means taking classes in chemistry and chemical engineering.
I write . . . You got an MBA, right? Oh please. Getting an MBA means taking classes in business and business administration.
Then you write . . . Yes, isn’t it strange that a Master’s in Business Administration incorporates classes in business administration? Thanks for clearing that up, professor.
Duh!
Finally . . . Listen, MM, like many people commenting here, I suspect, I have very robust points of reference. After all, NOBODY has a point of reference around which they can call you on your bullsh*t. Nope. No one.
Tell me, Mr. Nipple, what are those points of reference you have? A photo perhaps? A name? A tax return? A diploma? Maybe you got your name in the Los Gatos Gazette? What specifically does anybody here know about you? That you’re Hispanic? Well, that’s good enough for me. You’re tall for a Latino. Name one verifiable point of reference relevant to this discussion
I rest my case.
And as for 182. marymcl asking if I’m afraid of black men . . . I am a black man. How about you, little Miss Mary, are you afraid of black men, you know, in that special way? You are, I can tell.
Touché. . . Well Done! . . . That’ll leave a bruise! . . . Been there, done that!! . . . I’d rather have a root canal! . . . Like shooting bears in a cage.
To 187 Thomas . . . Random synaptic convolutions at DYNA 521*Fan preclude the advent of said pontificatory ruminations so as to evince snarkitudinal adolescence vis a vie obsolescence akin to the fecal impaction of which you are so obviously enamored by and with. Right now I would if I were you race to reconfigure your Lutherian HEX 756645355277364. I offer that as a friend. Hurry! Do it now! Get thee to a numbery!
Mr. Mr.:
Insults and pissing contests aside, is your point simply that those of us who disagree with the direction BHO is taking the country do so because we are racist?
Yes or no? Literary critique not necessary for answer.
I also think that it is easier for some African American people to think of slavery or racism as exclusive to Caucasians. I too wish bad guys wore one color hat and good guys another. I saw a show on PBS where a black actor found out his ancestors were slaves to an Indian tribe and you could see in his eyes that he glossed over it because it more than likely shattered everything he thought for years and years, and that is devastating. His ears were shut when told that Indian tribes were the last to give up slavery in the United States.
I think that many African American people don’t want to think about the possibility that native Africans had and have slaves and sold and sell slaves. I don’t think Hispanics are immune to the sin of slavery either. It seems that it is easier to exclusively brand Caucasian people with the ‘S’ of slavery because it ‘is’ easier, and otherwise would lead to more questioning. Some people feel better not knowing.
191: I’m saying racism is alive and well and living in America. And when I see countless references to “boy” and “tambourine man” and “thug” surrounding objections to his policy, I link the two together. Am I saying everybody here does that? No. Am I saying those who do don’t have the courage to admit it? Yes.
@mister man
Ha, ha, dear Hex#802A2A BOY or do you prefer to be called the R:98 G:50 B:18 BOY poster? Is it racist the use of Hexadecimal denomination?
Ha, ha, ha dear Hex#802A2A BOY you received a direct hit so git over it…Long Life Farrakhan!git the Jews and the whities!
Regards
At the end of the day, Obama’s debacle will set blacks back 200 years. If he can’t deliver, which he won’t, whites will have their new whipping boy.
You can’t say that you haven’t been warned. In 6-18 months my posts will be; “I told you so!”
Some parting Wisdom:
The fool has said in his heart, “[There is] no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. (Including Obama)
To do evil [is] like sport to a fool, But a man of understanding has wisdom.
The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes
A wise [man] fears and departs from evil, But a fool rages and is self-confident.
Excellent speech is not becoming to a fool, Much less lying lips to a president.
A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart.
Luxury is not fitting for a fool, Much less for a servant to rule over princes.
Wisdom [is] too lofty for a fool.
As a dog returns to his own vomit, [So] a fool repeats his folly.
The great [God] who formed everything Gives the fool [his] hire and the transgressor [his] wages.
Whether [the fool] rages or laughs, [there is] no peace.
For a dream comes through much activity, And a fool’s voice [is known] by [his] many words.
A wise man’s heart [is] at his right hand, But a fool’s heart at his left.
Even when a fool walks along the way, He lacks wisdom, And he shows everyone [that] he [is] a fool.
A fool also multiplies words. No man knows what is to be; Who can tell him what will be after him?
One can easily see that “Obama” could be interchanged with the “fool” in these proverbs, as well as most of the Congress, the Supreme Court, the Governors and legislatures of the United States, as well as the UN.
I returned and saw under the sun that– The race [is] not to the swift, Nor the battle to the strong, Nor bread to the wise, Nor riches to men of understanding, Nor favor to men of skill; But time and chance happen to them all. There is an evil I have seen under the sun, As an error proceeding from the ruler: (Ecclesiastes 9:11, 10:5)
Plagiarizing The Torah; The Old Testament (for Christians) These Proverbs and reflections are largely King Solomon’s.
I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and indeed, all [is] vanity and grasping for the wind. (Ecclesiastes 1:14)
You might as well try and catch the wind!
Mr. Man:
I have news for you. Racism is alive and well and living all over the entire planet. Employed by practitioners of every stripe. Some are more effective than others. The Janjaweed is a good example of this. We are after all creatures of imperfection, and it doesn’t take much to devolve back to the defensive stick-gripping crouch.
What some of us take issue with is the tendency of folks like Mr. Navarro to paint with such broad strokes — which is by very definition bigotry. It serves as an effective ploy to brand political opposition with the indefensible label of racist. From what I have seen so far, it looks more like a projectionist construct. The only real racism I spotted during the campaign came out of Rev. Wright’s Trinity church. The episodes were so obvious that BHO felt obligated to address them during Prime Time. Where he promptly defended Wright, described his grandmother as a bigot, and used the phrase “typical white person.”
Typical huh?
I do not begrudge you for calling racism out where you perceive it. But these witch hunts usually wind up functioning just like the very evils they purport to expose. “White Fear,” “white males are upset,” etc. etc. Really? All of us? We all think the same because of our pigment? We both know that isn’t true.
I happen to think that the Junior Senator from Illinois is under-qualified for the position he currently holds. It bothers me a great deal when I am tarred with the KKK brush for stating that opinion.
That seems simple enough to understand. That also might be why some white people are “upset.”
One last thing – courage is funny stuff. Obviously not everyone has it. The same can be said for tact, compassion, and tolerance. These message boards are good outlets for indignation and frustration, but to use them for the purpose of “caged bear hunting” strikes me as a small-minded endeavor.
This is fascinating. Let’s assemble a timeline just for kicks and giggles, using mister man’s professed other-worldly accomplishments:
Veteran with a Purple Heart
Graduates Northwestern with a BA in Journalism
Works 28 years as an unbelievably talented writer or journalist of some sort
Enters Berkeley law
Makes so much money that he can buy his own jet helicopter
So let’s assign some years to each and assemble them in likely order:
2 years in military
4 years to receive his BA
28 years ‘in the business’
2 years getting his J.D.
x years being a hyper-successful lawyer
Age 18-20 – Enters military, undergoes training, then completes his ‘tour’.
Age 20-24 – Attends Northwestern, possibly under scholarship, studying for a degree in journalism.
Age 24-52 – Works as a writer.
Age 52-54 – Attends Berkeley* studying for a J.D. Takes the bar and passes.
Age 54-64 (best guess) – In just ten years makes such a gigantic pile of cash** (while playing loads of golf and running around the track in shorty-shorts) that he can buy his very own jet helicopter, live all over the world in a state of James Bondian cosmopolitanism, and accumulate so many yet-to-be-revealed assets that he blows everybody else away in terms of taxes paid (even those of us who live in California).
How likely is that?
Some things to highlight, of which mister man is undoubtedly unaware:
* You remember a few years back the little dust-up with the University of Michigan’s school of law re:admissions? Well, one of the arguments Michigan used to defend its race quotas was that in all the United States, only one black student qualified to enter Michigan’s program based upon both grades and LSAT scores alone (in the year the argument was being made). Now, how likely is it that a middle-aged black man who spent goo-gobs of time working as a writer, just up and takes the LSAT, outperforming nearly every other younger black student in the country? The average LSAT required to get into Berkeley’s program isn’t as high as that for Michigan (last I checked), but really, how likely is this***? Even if he received the degree at a younger age, mister man would essentially have to be one of the highest performing black students in the entire country. I seriously doubt he got his law degree while he was young and has been running around all this time in bulging plaid shorty-shorts writing devastating critiques, missives, and Great American Novels, all the while establishing himself as a legendary leviathan in the law profession.
** And really, while lawyers CAN be paid extremely well, most aren’t (there are simply too many of them), so to run around buying jet helicopters means he’s not just a guy with a typical lawyers salary, but probably one of the most elite lawyers around, and indeed in the nose-bleed upper echelon of all BLACK lawyers who have ever lived, in this decade of any other.
*** Then again, perhaps it’s a demonstration of affirmative action in action? Mmmm …. Could be, but MM can’t even defend himself except through snark, so it’s apparent he’s a pretender and not really all that bright. If he were truly the titan of jurisprudence he’d need to be in order to afford jet helicopters and to have built up such Bill Gatesian levels of assets, he wouldn’t be flailing about so comically on this board.
Looks like the original accusation is probably true that mister man is a kid. I think this kid is assuming an identity, which is to say he’s as least as big a liar as we all believed.
That is to say, he’s a typical Democrat.
You know the left is getting a little worried when they start playing the race card. Its the one thing they know they can use that will cause people to stop using their brains and follow blindly.
I thinking I will be skipping this authors garbage for a while.
According to “mister man”, disagreement with any of the tenets of a liberal’s self-righteous philosophy means you are either plebian or hateful. If a particular literary voice lacks what he deems to be polish then the intent of that voice is of no consequence or worse malicious. And don’t attempt to inject any levity or you’re a ham-fisted moron. So, since comity has no place in mister man’s discourse, I shall put it in small short words: “mister man, you are an ass.”
#182 marymcl,
He won’t answer because it would only take one word, yes/no, and that’s just not his styyyyle. Argumentum verbosium is. Look for a response from him applying Plurium Interrogationum just to show us his brilliance and that he knows his logical fallacies. There was a reason I quoted Lewis Carroll, mister man. It wasn’t just for cut and paste fun.
#184 GordonStands,
You sir are correct. Have a cigar – but don’t forget to pay the vice taxes on it or “mister man” won’t be able to get his free meds – oh, I forgot, he’s so physically fit, mentally fit and wealthy he doesn’t need anything from the likes of us (see all his voluminous posts for vomit inducing examples.) That’s sarcasm “mister man” lest you pounce on my poor defenseless words as evidence of my socialist non-beliefs.
#186 Aureliano,
He enjoys belittling others. A tit for tat of one’s accomplishments in life serves no purpose as the only side of an argument that matters to him is his own. Have you ever noticed that anyone who says such things as “Trust me on this…” is probably not very secure in their own assertions. But then again, I’m not a writer so, oh well.
#187 Thomas,
I agree with you completely and would add contentious to your descriptive list. Political correctness is a scourge of censure which should be opposed whether some “jackass” chooses to acknowledge that now or not. Words are not racist, people and their specific use of them are. Context counts.
#191 GordonStands,
Congratulations!!! Let the balloons go and release the doves. You finally got a concise although somewhat off point answer out of him (#193.) In mister man’s world it’s not what people say, it’s how they say it regardless of context. The only courage lacking is his.
Gordon Stands – Looks like you never realized the mote you have in your own eye
RFR:
Not sure I follow. Are you saying that I have been unaware of my inherent racism? If so, then you are correct. It has eluded me. Would you kindly point to which particular remarks I have made that would lead you to deduce this particular trait?
Mister mister man:
You are indeed “the man.”
Okay, mister man, let’s just start over. Hi, my name is Clay as in “feet of.” What’s your name? Perhaps you have some insights from your life’s experience that would help us all better understand racism. If so, please refer us to some of your pertinent journalism on the matter outside of this blog. I at this time freely and humbly submit that I am not a proffesional writer. I have no intention or inclination to ever become a journalist. So please, show me, teach me, let me see the wonders of your past or present work. I mean it… theories of argument and your penchant for purile name calling aside, I like your writing.
Best Regards
Clay “feet of” Collins
Oh no, I misspelled professional and puerile in my last post. That just goes to show that things like typing and writing should be left to my betters. Mea Culpa.
Cocollins, do you ever wonder just what exactly it is we hope to achieve through these meanderings? I know I do. File it in the venting of the spleen category I suppose.
Right Far Right, come on back good buddy. What’s your ten-twenty? I got my pedal to the metal, and I’m a lookin’ for the Kojak with the Kodak and the Bear in the Air…damn these motes!
GordonStands,
I think it starts out as an honest attempt at communication, sometimes crude and cluttered, but honest – even the nuttiest post has somebody’s thought behind it that could, I stress could, be worth investigating. Then inevitably the spleen surfaces after which a return to reason becomes untenable. That seems to be the pattern and I guess I can be as guilty of it as the next person. I have noticed, though, that it doesn’t appear any different than the BBSs forums and Usenets I remember from the early ’80s. So much for progress and an end to the banality, eh? Maybe in another 20+ years.
Good luck on getting a worthwhile answer…
GordonStands,
A fair question re:venting of spleens. Setting aside the inevitability of it all, the venting has its uses, in the sense that people reveal themselves in these sorts of exchanges.
So in the case of mister man, assuming he’s telling the truth, we have some useful information we can use to parse his statements.
If he’s lying then there’s nothing else we need to know.
He’s made enough claims now that he’s talked himself into a corner. If he’s as old as he says he is, and done what he says he’s done, he can’t adquately explain his behavior — he simply doesn’t interact like a retired veteran who went to work as a writer, then entered a good law school and quickly worked his way into a position that made him enough money to retire the way he says he’s retired, fighting runaway racism all the way (after all, he’s black, and America is racist). Something’s amiss. High-powered individuals in those kinds of law firms — or any other kind or organization that pays you well enough that you can afford to buy ‘jet’ helicopters — don’t communicate the way he does. Ever.
That’s useful information.
Of course, the same goes for me, but I’ll leave it to you to determine who is being the more truthful ….
Oh, and just to show that I can tie all this back into the topic at hand … the first commentor on this thread stated the following:
“Navarrete is just stirring up the pot. Let’s wait for the comments.”
I think that’s correct. I believe Navarrette likes to post his drivel on Pajamas Media simply to see what happens. In his case, however, I don’t think he pays any attention to viable points, I think he merely keeps tabs on a handful of anti-immigrant comments and uses that as a sort of crutch to continue doing what he’s doing. His intent is to piss off people and to use it as an excuse to maintain his racialism and nurse his triumphalism.
So stirring the pots of people like MM brings out the worst in them, and for those who can’t control themselves very well (usually the young), they reveal much about themselves. The trick is not to use these little exchanges as an excuse to ignore everything anybody who disagrees with you has to say.
It does help you, however, determine who it is you CAN ignore.
196 Gordon Sands . . . You write . . . “What some of us take issue with is the tendency of folks like Mr. Navarro to paint with such broad strokes — which is by very definition bigotry.”
Here you go . . .
110 Eric . . . This over sensitivity is what makes it so difficult to get past the race game. It’s worse on Liberals because you tend to place a much higher value on physical differences than Conservatives. You pat yourselves on the back because you have a physically diverse group who all think alike. Yay you’re all socialists together!
21. Vaughn . . . Obama is the typical, self-loathing liberal.
41. Mongoose . . . I can tell you that I meet many of urban “educated” liberals (who are really buffoons with meaningless credentials, credentials that are more a badge of indoctrination than anything else). I find that they are generally wholly deficient in the qualities and contents of their characters. They are disloyal, mendacious, dishonest, petty, godless, superficial and selfish. They are foul in language, emotion, intention and thought. They are ugly in body, mind and spirit. Few do any truly meaningful work at all.”
wait, there’s more . . . (Liberals) have a very hard time out there in flyover country making a living, because out there one has to actually do something useful to earn a living. This is just why most of them are not out there–they cannot make a living there. They also would be shunned, not because of their political opinions, but because of their immorality and foul behavior.
188, Lynn s . . . I think that most liberals, if you prodded them or plied them with a few martinis, would admit that it was the white in President Obama that made them feel more comfortable voting for him. I think they would also admit that voting for a half white, half black man was easier for them than voting for a white woman. I think that many liberals try to present themselves as all inclusive, but most of the time, the talk is from behind gated communities or inside of exclusive clubs, or from the safe comfort of college campuses.
More Mongoose . . . Add this to the appointment of outright corrupt officials, and odd things like the lack of controls over donations in Obama’s campaign, no birth certificate, and what it adds up to is the conclusion that the Democrats are so arrogant that they do not think it matters at all what they do. Is there any doubt that they hold the Constitution in contempt? Is there any doubt that there is no limit to what they will do?
Even more Mongoose . . . The Left and the Democrats sell you that “China is a mixed economy” malarkey because they want to do the same thing over here. They are just hoping that you will not notice just what the “mixture” actually is. They want to loot rob and tyrannize over here too, just like that nice Chairman Mao fellow (they wore jackets like his in college in the 1960′a, and pretended to read his book, boy, was it “cool”, or what?). That way they can literally live like kings and never have to do an honest day worth of work in their and their families lives. They want to be just like their fellow communists in China. We and our descendant will be their slaves. Obama is well on his way to doing this.
Rachel Peepers . . . Like common street thieves, Democrats are comfortable pulling the rug out from under our children and children’s children imbued with the belief that if they work for their own American Dream, they’re find it.
Guess who? . . . The miscreants are still sitting in power on the hill and on Wall Street. They are almost to a soul Democrats.
Saltherring . . . Democrats aren’t interested in governing the nation, they are only interested in securing total control over America and her citizens, entrenching themselvers so deeply we will never succeed in extricating them.
Last and most likely least, the inimitable Mr. Nipple weighs in with one of his many theories as to my true identity. . . .
Looks like the original accusation is probably true that mister man is a kid. I think this kid is assuming an identity, which is to say he’s as least as big a liar as we all believed. That is to say, he’s a typical Democrat.
Is that enough? I think it is. I can’t bear the thought of searching another 5 minutes for more examples. Don’t change that channel.
207. Mr. Nipple . . . You should stop . . . you’re tying yourself in a big knot . . . a scratchy itchy kinda bitchy Gordian Knot. But if you must persist, at least stay away from math. It’s a big, dangerous bag of hammers.
202. Pat J . . . You are right, I am indeed the man. You’re a man/woman/shape shifter of rare cognition. I can sense your resonance shooting into the cosmos, reflecting back off Orion’s load star only to bounce off the geometrically impossible and generously dimpled haunch of Mister Mongoose right into my gaping maw of gratitude. MMM, tastes like honey.
137. corn fed . . . I’d like to know that too. ˆ can never remember which is which. Kind of like that left brain, right brain thing. Perhaps one of you political scientists could oblige.
199. cocollins or clay or coco or mister feet, whatever your name is . . . from you this: Words are not racist, people and their specific use of them are. Context counts.
Hard to argue. I mean, I’ve never heard a cow utter a single bad thing about anybody! Not that they don’t have good reason to, mind you. Though I have to admit I swear I heard the word “banjo” as I passed by a zebra cage one day.
And finally, a poster I’ve come to both love and fear . . . 194 Thomas . . . You truly are insane. It’s fantastic! Tell me, what color are your socks? Are they metal? Have you ever considered obtaining a patent for leather bath towels? I’m telling you, there is greatness deep inside you somewhere. You just have to shove aside the belly gremlins to get to it. Best of luck. Or as they say on Snoz . . . “HEXa45%37PERI+dom”
Biggest BS article I’ve read today. Oboma is an insult to America.
Look for more civil unrest when he cannot deliver on the freebies to his bros.
I think a lot of people overlook that Obama comes from modest circumstances. Unlike Bush, McCain, Kerry, Gore and Clinton, Obama actually started at ground level and busted his tail to make it to the top. His race is not the only unusual factor.
A lot of people are tired of the legacy politicians so often promoted by both parties. Obama is a departure from the usual rich white persons who grew up with privilege and were elected based on their family’s political clout.
I do take offense when “white males” get tagged with the racist stereotype. A very large number of white males are not racist, and voted for Obama because he was the best candidate.
Peace.
DS
Did you hear Henrietta’s question to the one in Fl. at todays news conf?. She actually, honestly asked him with all expectation of her wish being granted to get her a car. Believe me, there are millions of ignorant blacks that actually think and expect to receive free goods, cars, tv’s, furniture etc because the president is black. They think it was understood that he would do this now that a black is in power. They may turn on him in a very nasty way when they don’t receive free stuff. I predict the word uncle tom will be use very shortly.
210 Mike: If civil unrest comes it will be from a bunch of Johnny Rebs all jacked up on their cocktail of Red Bull, Skoal and crystal meth bouncing around in a ’92 Silverado with a stuffed monkey playing air guitar to Free Bird. WOOOOO-HOOOO! Us black folks is happy.
Sorry, but I just HAD to add this one to #208:
8. HalifaxCB:
“What is it about progressives that makes them hate children so?”
DING DING DING! We have a winner! Congratulations! You’ve just won a beer cozy woven from the dried placenta of a welfare queen!
# 213 It is obvious you have no appreciation of the lyrics of Bob Dylan song Mr. Tambourine Man. That is too bad. I wonder wrong era, wrong music gene or wrong color?
Mister Man #94;
You are the only one making “BOY” into a racist term here!
Grow up!
Obama has no experience!
He still has not shown proof of his eligibility for the office of President. To apply for a position in my degree field with a state or federal agency I MUST provide a certified, sealed copy of my birth certificate, I MUST provide my college record for my AS, BS, and MS degrees. I MUST provide absolute proof that I am eligible to apply for and hold said position in the United States. If I MUST provide this documentation to apply for a position of employment – why does Obama not have to?
Congress, having failed in their duties to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, may be considered ‘traitors’. The Governor of Hawaii, most certainly. Obama, during his swearing, flubbed the Oath of Office, as required by the Constitution. He, later, said the words in private, but without a Bible – was and “oath” sworn? If so, Obama did swear to uphold and defend the Constitution!! This being the case, why has he consistently REFUSED to abide by the requirements set forth in that very document? Why has he spent MILLIONS trying to avoid the lawsuits instead of spending less than $20 providing a birth certificate? So much for being “transparent”. Shadows and Fog! Smoke and Mirrors! The “Golden Boy” is looking less ‘golden’ by the moment!
Aureliano: #48
OOOHHHH! Name Calling! Such class!
There is as much difference between “spic” and Mexican as there is between “nigger” and Black. See if you can figure it out!
hey I don’t care what color Obama is. I’m opposed to him for the same reasons I was opposed to Kerry Gore Clinton twice Dukakis Mondale and Carter twice.
I will be happy to vote for an AfricanAmerican or a female for President- as long as that person is a conservative.
I definitely appreciate pajamas media for giving a (rational) conservative viewpoint some play, but the comments here show that networks like this tend to favor the highly motivated and polarized. My view is that the election of a black president did NOT mean that people came flocking to Obama’s side because of his race or ethnicity, but because times are so dire that many voters were able to overlook his race and choose based on issues. If anybody can remember Shirley Chisolm, you might understand that the time was not yet right for her, but not because her views were unattractive. Don’t get baited into this “I’m not racist, He’s actually the racist one . . .” argument. We have some serious issues to cover and it will take both serious discussion and sacrifice to see us through. But this is nothing new for Americans.
219. Really Guys writes . . . many voters were able to overlook his race and choose based on issues.
Now RG seems like a reasonable fella, and he’s right about Ms Chisolm. But the idea of having to “overlook his race” speaks to the insidious nature of racism. Even the most righteous among us who promote and live by a standard of equality carry vestigial influences that tug at our sleeve and hold us back. The goal is to get to that place where there is nothing to overlook. Until then we’re only muting our prejudices.
mister man has about as much moral authority as Mister Bates did back on the plantation when he insisted he be called Master.
Oh and he is partially correct when back at #80 he wrote:
“If you don’t like it here in America, leave! I hear israel is nice this time of year. And I know how much you love and support and defend and admire and would do anything for Israel. It’s the perfect place for a patriot like you.”
This is a good time of year to visit or move to Israel. That is if you want to get to that place.
222. Lynn S . . . There is no such thing as moral authority. I don’t claim it, and I certainly don’t bestow it upon those who do.
@mister man:
“And finally, a poster I’ve come to both love and fear . . . 194 Thomas . . . You truly are insane. It’s fantastic!
I understand your concern and you are right. I belong to a small group of people who came back from your future that is, from the hard Bolshevik totalitarianism which is awaiting all of you under the leadership of the BOY Messiah, the Kenyan Magic.
I know your soul, your mind, your mentality and your instant readiness for violence and to cause mayhem. Having said that, still you cannot censor, intimidate or silence us with your White Man (Hex#FFFFFF) induced PC crap in which you are a mere pawn who will be discarded and sent down the memory hole when you are no longer useful to your puppeteers, the Bolshevik, New Man.
By smearing everybody on this blog, cursing others because of their different views, using epithets, iniciating verbal brawl with most people on this forum where you are protected under The First, you revealed your primitive, underclass status dear Hex#802A2A BOY: this is the only place where people engage in serious discussion with you unlike your (“Guns in the Ghetto” – UB 40 song) friends who would only say to you “git yer wimmin, maaan, what sh*** takin, you axing me sumthin….Fu***g JEWS, the JEWS” – with diploma in their pocket to boot.
Regards
224. Thomas . . . Don’t stop. I’m almost there.
222toutoo
mister man
ok…..”There is no such thing as moral authority.”
What? There is no such thing as morals or there is not such thing as authority?????
Ok….There are no righteous among us and that includes you…..
oh….and maybe me but I think more you.
Aw, never mind all this race talk. It’s only skin deep.
I hear this whole bailout thingy is really going to be terrific! It’s gonna be great. I can hardly wait to pay my taxes, knowing that they will be put to such good use. If I had any inkling that I would be Secretary of the Treasury one day, maybe I wouldn’t pay them, but I think that’s probably unlikely, so I guess I will write that check.
See, race really doesn’t matter. You don’t have to be white to spend 900 billion dollars without a clue as to what will happen. Or to use fear to justify an agenda.
Sorry, mister man, I’ve been elsewhere. I wasn’t trying to neglect my doodies. After finishing work this morning I took a break to peruse some “professional” writing that I find a tad more interesting than your posts here. Wait a minute. That’s right. Weren’t you supposed to supply some examples of your frenetic prose from those heady days of being a journalist extraordinaire, editor-in-chief, music and arts reviewer or whatever? I would think that would be a knick-knack, paddy whack, give a dog a bone cinch for such a raconteur. Imagine a whole 28 year illustrious career from which to choose. Now, I believe the topic was racism in politics. Solved that yet? Think everyone else is a bigoted childish fool who should have their vocabulary locked up behind your bars of misdirected opprobrium?
#220, mister man
“… Now RG seems like a reasonable fella, and he’s right about Ms Chisolm. But the idea of having to “overlook his race” speaks to the insidious nature of racism. Even the most righteous among us who promote and live by a standard of equality carry vestigial influences that tug at our sleeve and hold us back. The goal is to get to that place where there is nothing to overlook. Until then we’re only muting our prejudices.”
Folderol – or should I just say a turd wrapped in a bow or a wino in a tuxedo? Platitudes such as yours are just self-serving, utopian mush. Racism, bigotry, prejudice = bad influences, Duh. Woe is me, how can we ever learn to get along with such a heavy burden dragging us down. Thanks for the tips brainiac 2000. Did HAL help you come up with that or did it ooze gel like from one of those infamous deep wet folds currently being depressed beneath your flat pate? Tribalism and group dynamics are ingrained in the very flesh, bone and sinew of humanity – we are but social animals that have only our reason with which to combat our baser instincts and destructive tendencies. Okay, once again, Duh. Yours is a nicely worded sentiment but other than stating the obvious, what does it accomplish? Squat, that’s what. Didn’t another poster request you perform that maneuver over a sharp stick sometime back? Maybe you’re just some rogue AI pabulum machine churning out posts in a misguided attempt to save the world using random inanities? Or is “saving the world” just one of your many immature wet dreams that went splat. Well, kiss off; I eschew your pedantic points and incessant preaching. Oh, and I love the way you handled “overlook his race” with kid gloves. But then, RG did throw you a supposed sympathetic bone so, what the hell, eh puppy dog?
As a great, great, great writer and critical thinker once said, “That, my friends, is the story behind XXXXXX mister man XXXXXXX – the world’s most insightful, logical, educated, and intelligent lunatic. Don’t believe the charade. “
Oh, don’t worry your “widdle wiberal bwain”, mister man. I never did cotton to your jive – now that’s race baiting #213 mister man style, lite.
#213, mister man
“If civil unrest comes it will be from a bunch of Johnny Rebs all jacked up on their cocktail of Red Bull, Skoal and crystal meth bouncing around in a ‘92 Silverado with a stuffed monkey playing air guitar to Free Bird. WOOOOO-HOOOO! Us black folks is happy.”
You sure are one sick “widdle” puppy all right. I’d tell you to grow up into a real dog, but alas, I fear you’re just as big as you is gonna get. It’s probably a testosterone or HGH imbalance. Not to worry, just have the vet check your thyroid. Your balls have actually dropped, haven’t they?
And now thanks go out to #219, ReallyGuys?, for adding something stimulating to the conversation. Here are some quotes from a real person by the name of Shirley Chisolm with actual accomplishments, no offense to pussy no name posters like mister man. And since you couldn’t grasp my single syllable name last time, jackass, it’s Clay. Go ahead, say it. You can look up the phonetic pronunciation if you’re still having problems. I remember introducing myself in #203 but other than some falsetto mumblings afterwards, I don’t remember you giving yours. Not very civil of you, is it.
Shirley Chisolm Quotes
From http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/shirleychisholm.htm
* “I was the first American citizen to be elected to Congress in spite of the double drawbacks of being female and having skin darkened by melanin. When you put it that way, it sounds like a foolish reason for fame. In a just and free society it would be foolish. That I am a national figure because I was the first person in 192 years to be at once a congressman, black and a woman proves, I think, that our society is not yet either just or free.”
I appreciate the hell out of the fact she said “American” and not “African-American.” As she notes in her time, the work for freedom and justice was unfinished and I believe will always remain an ongoing effort. Some of us find that to be a noble endeavor and not an indictment of our failings.
* “Racism is so universal in this country, so widespread and deepseated, that it is invisible because it is so normal.”
I think that since the ‘70s, many of racism’s writhing hydra heads have been rooted from their shadows, confronted and even a few banished. Do I think we’ll ever get them all? No, not really. But I assure you that to box at these shadows using weapons like political correctness and censure is a fool’s gambit.
* “In the end antiblack, antifemale, and all forms of discrimination are equivalent to the same thing – antihumanism. “
DITTO.
* “… rhetoric never won a revolution yet.”
So true and not some veiled hillbilly jacked-up on sugar threat as mister man supposes others proses to be, erroneously.
* “I am not antiwhite, because I understand that white people, like black ones, are victims of a racist society. They are products of their time and place.”
I think racism stems from the individual and therefore I can see her point about “racist society” in so much as all societies are comprised of individuals, but I don’t believe that our society as an entity of laws and civil structures is inherently racist.
* “My God, what do we want? What does any human being want? Take away an accident of pigmentation of a thin layer of our outer skin and there is no difference between me and anyone else. All we want is for that trivial difference to make no difference. “
And I’ll just leave it at that…
GordonStands,
Sorry, I just couldn’t seem to get past that whole vent/spleen thing.
Aureliano,
It really was good advice, but ignoring is hard work.
Sir CoCo . . . 1130 words to tell me “I eschew your pedantic points and incessant preaching”. You must learn the art of brevity. (That’s your cue to go back and count all my posts.)
I like your last Ms Chisolm quote: “My God, what do we want? What does any human being want? Take away an accident of pigmentation of a thin layer of our outer skin and there is no difference between me and anyone else. All we want is for that trivial difference to make no difference. “
Here’s another one: “Even the most righteous among us who promote and live by a standard of equality carry vestigial influences that tug at our sleeve and hold us back. The goal is to get to that place where there is nothing to overlook.”
Hey, I think I was onto something there.
You, on the other hand, think that “Tribalism and group dynamics are ingrained in the very flesh, bone and sinew of humanity.” Really? You think that flesh and bone and sinew are the repository of attitude and human dynamics? I tend to assign those traits to the mind and the spirt and the soul. Now I recognize the appeal of trying to wedge in a word like “sinew.” It’s so poetic. But deep down you know the body is just a shell, right? A husk. (Wait a minute, I’m checking thesaurus.com . . . ah-hah!), a glume. You know that if I lose an arm or a leg I don’t lose any of my humanity. Just ask anybody at Walter Reed.
Finally, as to Ms Chisolm, when I spent time with her in Palo Alto back in 1985, we had a good conversation about the role race played in the university system. (She was scheduled to speak at Stanford.) You’re right to quote her. She was an amazing woman, a truly critical thinker. I know because I knew her. Thank god she’s been kept alive on Wikipedia so dicks like you can appropriate her thoughts to elevate your essay on turds and dog balls.
Well played, CoCo. Your a font of honor.
I understand. It is fun to see just how far this kid will go with his little insult-as-Shakespeare shtick.
The thing to remember about liars is that they seldom invent their lies out of whole-cloth –- what they do is build an elaborate edifice around kernels of truth. So while in the midst of getting spanked for his titan of jurisprudence claims, the monumental taxes he supposedly pays on apparently few assets, or his jet helicopter exploits, the only thing he really chooses to address is my complete and utter disdain for his shorty-short ‘medals’, his golf game, and his pilot’s license. That’s an odd thing to address, don’t you think? The reason it annoys him is because he probably did run some track in high school, is taking flying lessons, and likes to play golf. Only a kid thinks those kinds of things are important. God knows a full-grown man in his 60s (or even 50s) wouldn’t get his polyester panties into a bunch over it.
Pretty much everything he’s written about himself is a lie. Oh, his papa is probably in the law profession, perhaps even a municipal judge, and he may have a sister who is a chemical engineer –- those may be the kernels of truth he uses to create the mister man character –- but otherwise his persona is complete horsesh*t. The kid likes to write; perhaps he’s even been published. But when this little Scott Beauchamp WANTS you ask about his Purple Heart, it’s not because he’s actually been in combat, it’s because he’s writing a short story or a novel about Vietnam. He might even have done some research on combat operations, which units were involved in the operations, etc. I’m done dealing with the kid, but if you’re game get him to tell you about his ‘combat’ experience. I am curious what kind of plotline he’s come up with for his little novel.
Oh, and he’s not black. In fact, I’d say mister man is a lot like this character: Kirk Lazarus.
I’m sure his little novella will be as hilarious as the movie in which Mr. Lazarus starred.
And so now the level of discourse has has hit The Land of Dick.
Mister Man, you toss your bon mots with a wink and congratulate yourself on your cleverness. We can tell. I called you a peacock earlier because that is the image I have in my mind, a strutting, preening thing, flashing the plumage for all to see.
When someone counters you, the dazzling mask of splendor slips a bit and we go straight to 1st grade potty talk. Actually that isn’t fair because my son is in 3rd grade, and even he knows better than to go for the D shot.
Please try to understand what I feel to be the main point of this (very)long exchange.
It isn’t about black or white, it is about right and left (see I altered the order so you wouldn’t berate me for cheap poetry).
Think of it this way:
When people disagree, get frustrated, they slip into name calling. Usually they go for the lowest hanging grape. Might be “fatso.” Might be “boy.” Might be “move to Israel.” Might be “you are a bad writer.”
Might even be “dick.”
Left and Right. Two distinctly different visions, both earned honestly — either by parental influence, or by life experience.
Here’s the thing. One will work, and one wont. I am guessing that we will see the proof in the tapioca over the next year or two. I mean, you guys got the whole enchilada, and a crisis to solve to boot. So, solve it. The floor, as they say, is yours.
Just between you and me, I’ve seen this show before, and it didn’t quite deliver in the Nielsens. Cancellations in the USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Albania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, East Germany, Yemen, Angola, Cambodia, North Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, China, etc. etc.
Price tag? 25 million souls (the stuff inside the husk (aka the glume). As for the husks, well they enriched the soil as far as Uncle Joe Stalin or Pol Pot were concerned. But seriously, it seems to be a great system with a stellar track record. Take from the producers, and give to those that do not produce. Stimulus. How is it working out in Zimbabwe? Or Detroit for that matter?
Left and right. Different paths. Michael Steele is probably well endorsed on this board. Did we forget to be racists? Did we forget we were dicks?
I believe that you feel you are righteous, but I think that in reality you are sucking down the snake oil, and for that I feel bad for you.
I also think that many liberals are surprised to find out that there are African Americans who do not want to integrate with people of other races. This is shocking to them since many assume that it is only Caucasians who prefer to remain segregated from other races.
This comes from the false assumption that racism is the wholly owned by Caucasians.
180,181, 186, 189, 190, 194, etc.. mister man:
I don’t think you are either; A mister or a man.
You whine like a beaten woman that likes it.
cocollins,
I realize that despite your requests Kirk hasn’t offered up any of the articles, essays, novels, or columns he’s so famously written (and really, I think we all would have heard of a great big bulging black version of Mark Morford, and remembered his scathing wit, or at least seen him on CNN in 1980s, round about the time he’s hob-nobbing with the rich and famous in Palo Alto), but Mister Man does indeed have fans, or as the great actor once revealed about himself in his greatest role:
“I’m the dude playin’ the dude disguised as another dude!”
Can’t wait for the next episode from Pathological Liar Theatre.
aureliano,
When you’re right, you’re right. I’d say 38 or so.
mister man (plagiarist),
Dinner’s ready so I’ll make it quick. Once again, and even slower, C L A Y. You’re welcome to continue calling me whatever you please, but since you won’t proffer your own name, I think “plagiarist” will suffice. That was a fascinating display of those journalistic ethics of yours; and in the comment section of a blog no less. I am of course accepting your word from post #229 that the words you used and claimed as your own in post #220 are in fact those of Ms. Chisolm. So you feel pride in announcing that you attempted to pass off someone else’s words as your own, a woman you claim to have known and respected, an “amazing woman, a truly critical thinker.” Man, those are some audacious “dog balls” you got there. Oh, and thanks for all that r e s p e c t you showed to Ms. Chisolm by concentrating on your special snarking ability rather than what she had to say; okay, to be fair, you did mention one out of six. Good job.
I don’t recall ever saying anything against her in my post. Let me just go back and check – don’t go anywhere – let’s see, ridiculed that retard mister man (plagiarist), thanked #219 ReallyGuys for bringing Shirley Chisolm to our attention, used her quotes (correctly cited) as a topic for discussion, agreed with and liked most of what she had to say, gave my own opinions and shockingly didn’t steal a single word from another person. Nope. Nothing. I kinda think that makes you the “dick” mister plagiarist
Do you really propose that because I cited some of Ms Chisolm’s quotes and commented upon them, admiringly at times, that it logically follows I must agree with everything the woman ever said, if she even said it – your post contains no reference, unless your claiming to have firsthand knowledge. And if not, what, I suppose you had the words hoist and petard in mind? Nope, not quite. Just more of that critical thinking voodoo that you do so well.
Here’s the link to wikipedia mister plagiarist mentioned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm
Other than as general reference, I don’t really see what it has to do with anything; it certainly has nothing to do with his weird tirade at the end:
#229, mister man said
“Thank god she’s been kept alive on Wikipedia so dicks like you can appropriate her thoughts to elevate your essay on turds and dog balls”
I think mister plagiarist is gifted in ways, but nuttier than a snickers bar. I reviewed the wiki as part of the research I did in my post #227 and it gives some good general info, but I like the quotes page better:
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/shirleychisholm.htm
Anyway, maybe she said the words that mister plagiarist admits to stealing and maybe she didn’t. Common thief if she did. Common liar if she didn’t. If you find the quote feel free to add it to the list I began or get other quotes from the link provided. I don’t know about you, but I find a discussion of her words much more pertinent and enlightening than mister plagiarist’s plaintive bleating.
mister man goes to congress:
I am, harrumph, a master debater with more hands, er uh years, beneath my belt than you dear Horatio have thunk in that there philosophy. What’s that you say? That’s not from “She Stoops to Conquer?” It’s what? Mangled Shakespeare … The hell you say. The hell you say, sir. I think I know what play I read back in nineteen aught somethin’. What? Never you mind when ‘n’ where that was. It’s none of you’re business and highly irrelevant to boot. No, no damn photo-op. Put that camera down and let’s start showing me some damn respect here. I am your better. I am your better. Just ask me. Now where’d them cute little pages go?
Senor Nipple . . . two quick points. (I’ll get to CoCo and Cybergeezer and Gordonstrand in a second)
First, you seem to be at odds with yourself, Ping Pong-ing between certainties about just who I am. I offer these from various posts:
after all, he’s black, and America is racist . . . His papa is probably in the law profession . . . Congratulations on your daughter being a municipal judge . . . he may have a sister who is a chemical engineer . . . Oh, and he’s not black . . . with the help of your engineer-daughter . . . Only a kid thinks those kinds of things are important . . . to younger generations your politics look about as relevant, current, and progressive as a flapper doing the Charleston at Woodstock . . . mister man is a kid . . . you’re the cheesy lawyer, not me . . . You REALLY ought to make a concerted effort to keep up with the times, and you can start by dropping the Hollywood-quality stereotypes and creaky old prejudices . . . At least TRY to pretend it’s 2009, not 1968 . . . he’s a kid . . . ye olde leftover from a bygone era.
Kinda makes ya dizzy don’t it. Tell me, Nip, do you spin in such tight circles in your “real” life? Thank god you made all that money before the fog rolled in. Despite your tireless application of mathematics, science and logic (and way too much time) you clearly have no idea who I am or what you are talking about, and it’s driving you right ‘round the bend. What can I say . . . Mission Accomplished!
Point #2, also from various posts:
running around a track in my little shorty-shorts . . . my complete and utter disdain for his shorty-short ‘medals’ . . . get his polyester panties into a bunch . . . running around the track in shorty-shorts. . . nothing to get your plaid shorty-shorts in a bunch . . . Olympian feats in your bulging shorty-shorts . . . running around all this time in bulging plaid shorty-shorts . . . and finally . . . nobody cares what you do in your little track shorts.
Well, Mr. Nipple, clearly one of us does and it’s not me. If you want to focus on my shorty shorts to distract you from the confusion I have caused in your life, that’s fine. I’m secure in my orientation. You can be, too. We’re not all the same. It’s OK to be different in “that way.” And even though you obsess about another man’s bulge that doesn’t mean you’re . . . you know. Just ask Ted Haggard. Now, how about some salad?
As for you CaCa . . . pull your head out, will ya? Geez, stay with this: I referred to your Chisolm quote, then repeated my own thought from my earlier post to show how similar they were. Good god, FOCUS!
And Cybergeezer, How do you know what a woman whines like when she’s beaten? Never mind, I know, it’s a generational thing.
As for you GordonStrand, never did hear back after that exhaustive list of stereotyping I offered. I thought you didn’t like that. Tell ya what, y’all just keep following my lead.
#211 David S,
Also, a very large number of white males are not racists and voted against Obama because he was not the best candidate. All we have established is that a very large number of white males are not racists. With the addition of my yang to your yin, you and I would be saying that a very large number of white males voted for whom they thought was the best candidate. That sounds okay to me. The rest of you, just STFU!
Peace and all that other touchy feely stuff to you, DS.
JB
To Gordon Sands . . . forget that last reference to you in 237. You’re a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I understand the frustration you wrote of in 231, and I appreciate the approach you took in expressing it. I got no truck with you. (That doesn’t mean I won’t continue to confound your friends.) Peace to you.
I’d say 38 or so.
That’s about the upper range I’d give him. He has a bit too much of this in him though. I’d put him aged 28-32 at the most. The snark-punk thing is a product of the Internet age, and I think this kid’s been ‘perfecting’ his craft on the net since he graduated 6-8 years ago, round about the time Bush was elected, which is to say the only thing he knows re:politics is hyper-partisanship and talking shite*. Certainly he didn’t learn his craft in the pages of Ebony Magazine. Apparently he’s the only black male writer in America around age 60 who has managed to avoid picking up even one African-American idiom from his era, and seems never even to make a single reference about the 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, or 1950s. Oh, except he does make pop culture references to Family Guy, et al, because as we all know, hyper-accomplished black men in their late 50s or early 60s who hob-nob with civil rights activists and black intellectuals are the target demographic for a CARTOON like Family Guy. Yup.
And how is it that a couple of readers such as ourselves have never heard of this legalistic John McWhorter channeling a sober Hunter Thompson doing a black Tom Robbins? You’d have thought I’d have seen his hyper-talented mug on C-SPAN’s BookTV at least once over the last 20 years. There isn’t much demand for snark in the adult world (for well-done satire, yes, but snark?), but still, in an era of identity politics a Purple Heart veteran who turned himself into Judge Joe Brown with a vocabulary and a jet helicopter while still managing grade-A snark that a pimply white punkeroo aged 19 would appreciate, surely SOMEBODY would by dying to fill the reserved ‘black’ seat in some panel or another discussing something or another with this Shakespeare in bulging butt-hugger track shorts.
Oh well. I predict he will soon claim either that he had a long conservation with Tavis Smiley just yesterday, was there with the Reverend Jackson when MLK was assassinated, was shafted by ‘whitey’ because his jet helicopter exploits during Nam were insufficient to get him into NASA’s Apollo program, and for some reason or another is spending a dark, wet, and cold February in the States instead of his third home in an ‘exotic’ paradise because … well, I’ll wait to see on that one.
* I think there was a Pajamas Media article recently on the crudity and courseness the net has enabled in political commentary. This kid is the PERFECT example of that phenomenon. Anonymity has a way of bringing out the worst in some people, and the pathological in others ….
-Aureliano
Mm. Looks like something was amiss with my HTML coding. The first sentence above should have read as follows:
He has a bit too much of this in him though.
Hopefully it will work now. If not: Oh well, it was just for fun anyway
Carry on. Please continue prodding and poking at this little Kewpie doll ….
I also think there are liberals who would be surprised to find out that there are African Americans who do not long for a blended race where all the shades of skin have morphed into one. As there are Caucasians who find blond hair or fair skin or certain Caucasian features attractive, there are also African Americans who find black hair and dark skin and certain African American features attractive,and would mourn their loss if faded into some generic all for one and one for all human being.
What I find these days is not so much racism (although it has not vanished) but what one might call topism, where in order to bring a certain people up, many find the need to bring others down. So it is not in reality raising up a people but rather putting down a certain group making it appear as if the other group is higher.
I don’t know why people tend to do this and even people of the same racial background often find ways to differentiate themselves from others in order to segregate and hold themselves above.
I think the author of this article is not celebrating the fact that an African American President has been elected but is fishing for “see I told you so” that whites are racist and bigots, paranoid, and more than likely Conservatives. I hope he goes home hungry because everyone sees through his artificial bait and doesn’t bite.
241: Mister Nipple . . . Ball of Confusion-n-n-n-n-n-n-n. That the kind of reference you’re looking for? Look, don’t be jealous just because of who I am or who I’ve met or what I’ve done. That’s a zero-sum game. (I have no idea what that means, but I heard Mittt Romney say it once, so it must be smart.) I think you should take the time to focus on you for once. You know we can’t love somebody else until we love ourself. And by gosh I think there’s a you in you that you should get to know, you know? Now I know you considered joining the Marines. and you considered getting a PhD. But have you turned that consideration toward the mirror and said, “Nip, you’re gonna actually DO something today. And it’s gonna be a great day because of me . . . of that . . . doing something! YAY!” Oh, the things that are possible when one sets aside the great questions in favor of the great opportunities. And it’s even more rewarding when two do that. Why spend your time in a dark corner with a calculator trying to guess some stranger’s age when you could be outside in the sunshine playing frisbee with high-tech executives? The choice is clear. Don’t thank me. You’re feeling over-matched, I know, but there is consolation for you in that I take no pride in it. Honestly. It’s no real accomplishment on my part, really. In fact it’s so easy I’ve nearly forgotten your . . . I’m sorry, your name again?
mister man: You are beginning to sound like you are sucking on an empty bottle. What are you looking for?
244. Lynn . . . Same thing you are . . . va
aureliano,
I followed your Kirk link … that’s some funny stuff. It reminds me of a hammer and a mister nail. The rest of what you surmise seems spot on. I tried to use the embedded link from the last post but couldn’t get my IE to work. Oh well. That fantastic spastic mister wizard just continues to amaze. Did you know that he also knew E “Yip” Harburg , the talented lyricist and unfortunate socialist; yep, “Yip” got blacklisted during that whole RED thing in the ‘50s. Anyway, they first met in Uruguay at the Swift & Co. meat packing plant in the summer of 1918. Mister wizard adamantly denies that this was an attempt to avoid serving in WW I. He told me, “We just really liked meat, and well, you know, Uruguay’s got some great beef”. Then in 1920, both returned to the United States where “Yip” got married and mister wizard decided to just “chillax.” When I asked him what strange language he was using, mister wizard said, “Oh, you mean ‘chillax’? That’s just a slang term from when … I mean where I’m from.” He also credits himself with being instrumental in the later writing of Mr. Harburg’s lyrics for “Brother, Can You Spare a Dime” and “The Wizard of Oz”. As proof of his claims, he emailed me a photocopy of a soiled napkin on which he says is a first draft of the lyrics from something called, “The Wizard of Blog”:
We’re off to see the Wizard
The Wonderful Wizard of Blog
We hear he is a Whiz of a Wiz
If ever a Wiz there was
If ever, oh ever, a Wiz there was
The Wizard of Blog is one because
Because, because, because, because, because
Because of the wonderful things he does
We’re off to see the wizard
The Wonderful Wizard of Blog
Oh that nutty mister wizard…
mister wizard,
#237 mister wizard the plagiarist said
“As for you CaCa . . . pull your head out, will ya? Geez, stay with this: I referred to your Chisolm quote, then repeated my own thought from my earlier post to show how similar they were. Good god, FOCUS!”
So I guess when you said, “I like your last Ms Chisolm quote: …” immediately followed by, “Here’s another one: …” you weren’t giving everyone another Ms Chisolm quote? The flowery verse that followed was just your “similar” sentiments to Ms. Chisolm’s original words. Okay, sure. What did you call my mimicry of those “original” words of yours, oh yes, “poetic.” Well then, thanks. I think they’re poetic too, but absolutely worthless which was my point – Folderol. Why don’t you play the mister parsnip parsing game on that and get back to us. Love the exasperation though.
And while I was busy counting your posts for no good reason, mister parsing parsnip the plagiarist and sophisticate, I came across this:
#180 mister man,
“MM . . . That is just embarrassing. I haven’t used “perspicacity” since my junior year in high school, back when I was reading “She Stoops to Conquer.” And it gets worse . . . evince, preclude, manifold, not withstanding (should be one word), refutation. It goes on and on. Absolutely insufferable. I earned my living as a writer for 28 years. Everybody thinks they can do it, but damn few can. It’s really hard to do well. I’m not talking about the random typo. Everybody does that. It takes years to master the fundamentals, years more to set them aside and develop your own style. What you people do isn’t writing. It’s unskilled, overblown, incomprehensible bullshit. And no amount of cutting and pasting can hide that.”
Wow, it took you how long to polish that style of yours? It’s been over twenty years since I last picked up the electric quill and it seems to be coming back just fine. What’s it been, five, maybe six days? I don’t claim your proficiency but I think my writing is sufficient for a comment in a blog. That’s right, we’re just writing comments in a blog. Maybe you think this is your chance to write that great American novel that you just knew was inside of you. Maybe you think someone will finally notice your genius and submit your compiled, pithy posts for a Pulitzer. Don’t know. Don’t care. Get over yourself.
When I first posted, I was rusty in my grammar, spelling and style. Okay. Even now my scribbling may not deserve to be admitted into your “Professional-Grade, Level VI Master Wordsmither” realm. Okay. But, if I were to decide to waste more time at this writing thing, maybe down that road there’d be room in whichever itinerant freelance pool you swim. On second thought, no thank you. That could only be a cesspool, shallow and stagnant; a place where genetic miscreants go to die. Wait, what’s that ripple? Is there something lurking just beneath the pool’s surface? Yikes, viral RNA! I know, mister whatever, you’re a retired, honest, accomplished and wizened old moneybags so I must be deluded to suggest anything else. Well, color me unimpressed by your fictitious prowess, but thanks for the advice. Simpler is better. Maybe I’ll get there someday, but for now I think this will do.
And now I’ve had my say and you’ve had yours. There are plenty of posts above for anybody else to form their own opinion with respect to this thread. And whereas I’ll admit to a perverse pleasure at some of the more immature comments (mine, yours and others), I no longer find you worth conversing with; if you ever were. I’m going to take the advice of someone much wiser than you and simply ignore your childish verbal antics. So go ahead. Have the last say. Enjoy your name calling, grammar, punctuation and spelling nit picking. You’ll just be back to talking to yourself or any other fool in love with your “voice” – a situation with which I’m sure you’re more than familiar.
Wow. I don’t think I’ve had this much fun since the last Chuck Pelto memo. Thanks Mister Man. Thank you too, wingnut imbeciles.
@199 cocollins – Thanks, I was feeling like such a wallflower at this dance!
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