Birthers Have a Point: Is Hawaii Really a State?
A certain segment of the population is being dismissed as “kooks” for doing nothing more than not blindly swallowing the information given to them. I’m talking about the legitimate concerns people have about whether President Obama is a natural born citizen and thus eligible to be a U.S. president. A long time ago it was honorable to stand up for the Constitution, but not any longer, it seems.
My first concerns about a future President Obama came when I saw his name: Barack Hussein Obama. That certainly sounds like the name of someone born outside of America. Of course, he could have been born in America and given a foreign-sounding name like that because his parents didn’t like him. That certainly is plausible. If I were his parents, I wouldn’t have liked him.
So the name by itself doesn’t necessarily mean there is a problem, and neither does the well-documented fact that Obama was raised in a madrassa to be a radical Muslim who hates America — nothing in the Constitution disallows that. But I really started to be suspicious when Obama tried to pass off that certificate of live birth as official proof he was born in Hawaii.
Come on. Have we really started trusting official documents of states as proof of anything?
Birth announcements in two newspapers were also provided as proof, but anyone — including someone plotting a Kenyan coup — could have paid to put those there back in the sixties. And we were given guarantees from Hawaiian officials that the certificate of live birth was based on the real birth certificate in their records, but everyone knows officials can be paid off to say anything — just like Palin paid off doctors to say Trig was hers and then had her daughter impregnated as a distraction. Don’t believe me? Just ask Andrew Sullivan, who bravely got to the bottom of that and has since been awarded such scary sounding titles as “kook,” “crazy person,” “someone without basic knowledge of human anatomy,” and “former writer for the New York Times.”
Also, it’s well established that the Hawaiians are serial liars, and they could be lying about Obama now just like when they set off bombs at Pearl Harbor and blamed it on the Japanese.
So you can try to dismiss me as a nut, but what I am is someone concerned with the truth. Yes, you can point out that I didn’t say a word when Diebold blatantly stole the previous two elections for Bush at the behest of Halliburton, but that’s because I was legitimately scared for my safety. Remember when Bush blew up the levies in New Orleans to try and drown Kanye West? That was a fate awaiting anyone who questioned Bush or the “official” story about World Trade Center Building 7. (Who actually bought that story anyway? That has to be the first time in history a building collapsed from nothing more than massive damage and fire.)
Anyway, I’m no longer scared, and it’s time to speak up for the truth and the Constitution. And the reality is that Obama’s birth certificate isn’t an issue at all. Why? Because there is no proof that Hawaii is even a state!
Sorry, a little too over the top. A well-crafted social satire is a joy to behold, but this wasn’t one. Your point was made halfway through the article. After a bit, all I could think was… :yawn:
http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-a-Condescending-Friend
Okay….before I say anything….remember..
Step 1….
Shoot. I THOUGHT I live on Hawaii. Crap, where the heck am I, then? And why do they have this Arizona Memorial thing next door to me if those Hawaiians were the ones who set the bombs? I bet — I bet it’s an alien base. Or the portal to Atlantis. Yeah. A portal to Atlantis. Explains all the submarines.
Very funny Frank – NOT!
Tell him to produce his birth certificate. He has not done so. He is spending a fortune to not do so. He has led any reasonable to conclude that he is concealing something. That excludes you Frank.
While you’re at it get to explain how he got a passport to enter Pakistan in 1981 when no American citizen could so at that time.
And BTW he did attend class to study Islam in his youth in Indonesia the largest Muslim country in the world.
Hows do I know? He said so. Catholic school records backs this liar up on that bit of information. They also list him as a Muslim.
Frank your ignorance is not that funny.
Congratulations on the lamest article I’ve ever read at Pajamas Media.
Excellent piece
Frank,
You left out the part about Elvis. Once we find out the truth about him everything else will fall into place. Or have they gotten to you too? OMG! Circles within circles.
While the so-called birth certificate may or may not be a problem leading to some sort of Constitutional crisis, I do have one question regarding BHO;
Why is he the only Presidential contender who refuses, to the point of defending in court costing tens of thousands of dollars, to release ANY personal paperwork? He could make all of this very easily go away by just showing the originals, but instead he locks away and hides his birth certificate, his school transcripts, his financial aid applications, his college thesis, and any (assuming any actually exist) writing for the Harvard Law Review.
What is he hiding?
And why is the Diosaur Media letting him get away with hiding it? You can be sure they would go after any other candidate (especially if they have an ‘-R’ following their name) in a heartbeat!
Cute and condecending and boring after three paragraphs. It is an extremely feeble attempt at satire. The basic idea is that Fleming and those who think like him are so smart and those other people are even too dumb to know they are wackos. It is more of the same old everyday elistist attitude.
..so where is the birth certificate aready !
Laugh all you want, funny boy, but in the end the ‘birthers’ will be the ones with the big grins.
Even if their work comes to nothing, if Ogabe serves eight years, or sixteen, or becomes president for life. Wanna know why?
OBAMA HAS NOT REVEALED HIS LONG FORM “APOSTILLE” OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
When I moved from Texas to Belgium eight years ago, I had to scramble around getting ‘apostille’, meaning official, copies of all my documents. WITH ALL ORIGINAL INFO ON THEM, as meets the definition of apostille.
I could NOT have moved from one country to another without showing this official long form certificate.
So why is it that Obama can be PRESIDENT without showing it?
I could understand if there was NO DOUBT about his birth. But clearly there is SOMETHING on that certificate that he does NOT want in public knowledge.
WHAT IS IT? And why are we mocked by smart ass columnists for wanting to KNOW what it is?
Gawd, save me from ‘useful idiot’ conservatives who talk like liberals about this, it’s over, nothing to see here, move along, yada yada.
THERE IS SOMETHING TO SEE. But we’ll probably never know what it is, because our own side is ignoring common sense and MOCKING us.
Don’t laugh, this is serious!
A nurse named Mary Mapes stole his birth documents and put them in the trunk of a Lucy Ramirez car.
There has to be a Hispanic connection,
Obama looks Puerto Rican.
because
Most of them Hawaiians I have seen are fat.
The Saul Alinsky tactic of ridiculing people who have a legitimate question about who exactly is this Barry Soetero Obama that has been elected to the highest office of the land, even giving them the demeaning name “birthers”, is quite tiring to say the least. It often works to silence the opposition but in this case, because so many people are truly concerned about the direction this person is taking the country, we, they, are not backing down. We not only want the transparency promised, but we want the same scrutiny applied to John McCain and every other candidate. We want original birth certificate, college records and so forth.
To continue to make us semm out there and say that we believe he is not a legitimate citizen and only that, as a way of getting us to back down, is disingenuous. It is about transparency. It is about what is right. The more pressure I feel from the left in the form of ridicule about this, the more suspicious I am.
On Inauguration Day in 1980, I was working at Lockheed Plant 10 in Palmdale, CA. Radios were playing loudly all over the buildings as we listened to broadcasters giving a “play-by-play” of the flight leaving Iran carrying the hostages who were being released simultaneously with the swearing in of Ronald Reagan as President.
About 10 minutes after the flight had crossed the Iranian border and we were all pulling ourselves back together from the tears and cheers, a smartass procurement officer walked through our department and made a breathless announcement with a serious face, “Hey, you guys! Did you hear what happened?”
Because he looked so serious, we all stopped and looked at him. Then he said, “The hostage flight has just been hijacked.” He gave it a 2 second pause and then said, “Just kidding.” We let him walk away unscathed.
Mr. Fleming, your piece today takes its place right alongside his brainless “funny” comment.
How did obama obtain an Indonesian passport?
You’re not funny. You certainly are not a successful satirist. You are perhaps a victim of Stockholm syndrome.
We have nont been able to nock him out on his hiding things but IT WILL NOT BE LONG before he steps in to it.
Anyone who equates the demand for production of an original birrth certificate – the best proof of his place of birth – with a belief that George Bush, while Governor of Texas yet, conspired with al Qaeda to atack America is an idiot and a disgrace to journalism.
Can you imagine the media’s reaction to this arrogant refuasl to prodiuce a birth ceertiificate if Obama were a Republican?
It would be what is he trying to hide? 24/7.
‘libtards’ are the worlds biggest HYPOCRITES they want to be free to chase down and denigrate and rip to shreds Palin and Bush and ‘Joe the Plumber’ and the ‘Gates phone in woman’ AND their FAMILIES. But dont you dare even suggest that Obambi is not what HE says HE is even though he has not offered a shred of documentary proof to support it and you are all CONSPIRACY THEORISTS and ‘tin foil hat’ wearers.
HYPOCRITES THE LOT OF YOU.
The birth certificate controversy and the use of the hideuos term birthers brings home why Americans elected Barack Obama in the face of a financial crisis created by the Democrats through their Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Fiasco.
The same may be said of federal funding for the get out the vote, any vote, as long as it’s a vote for a D arm of the Democratic Party known as Acorn.
When it comes to political communication and strategy Republicans have no clue. This is an opportunity to attack Obama for his arrogance and demonstrate the media’s incompetence and bias. Why the special rules for Obama?
Instead Republicans are attacking their own for demanding the exercise of due diligence. Can you imagine Democrats doing this if the whereabouts of the birth of a Republican were in issue?
Contrast how McCain responded when his eligibility was challenged.
I believe he was born in Hawaii…but why not just produce the birth certificate?
This article was about as funny as a cry for help. As Caestal notes in comment #1 above, good satire is entertaining and edifying; this article, however, was unfortunately none of the above. For one thing, it lacks subtlety, so that in the end the reader is left wondering how in the hell something this mediocre slipped through Pajamas editorial cracks.
..14 Meryl
well put. the artical is not funny. more insulting then anything.
Racism will never end so long as special rules are applied to people because of their color.
Frank, you’re getting better, but next time don’t blow the joke by putting the punchline right in the title of the post.
Why has PJ Media been allowing this kind of CRAP on here by the likes of Bob Owens and Frank Fleming????? Has PJ Media become o Leftist Pro Obama site now????? Screw you Pj Media.
I thought after moron and the douche bag before him got slapped around that stuff like this would end….
Ppl like you are in a long line trying anything and everything to remove the constitution and replace with with vague “laws”. You want to place the constitution as but a mere “spirit” of the law that should be followed only when public opinion and/or the government approve of what it says. Just some meaningless outdated guidelines that can be ignored at will by the government….so my question to you Mr Fleming….
Why do you hate facts Mr Fleming?
Why do you hate the constitution Mr Fleming?
Why do you hate constitutionalists Mr Fleming?
I know you won’t respond since after the spanking moron and friend got the last time they thought they were so “smart” they could handle us pathetic “rabble”…. I would also suggest you reread though mistakes because I’m sure if you do respond it will be full of the standard pro-commie/pro-nazi propaganda that you used in sourcing your above “piece”.
Maybe not Frank J’s best piece, but fits the template of his style. Tonque in cheek presentation of the way both sides treat the others touchstones. So why not release the docs? As a way of lumping everyone on the right with the vocal minority who may not give the most logical arguements or come across as stable? Or is there really a there there, with this administration we may never know. Unless the dog grabs the curtain and exposes the man pulling the levers.
Go get ‘em Toto
This “article” makes me think of the scene in Gulliver’s Travels where it is described how a person must approach the King by licking the floor all the way up to king. In the same way, this writer, instead of investigating a legitimate question, chooses to stick his face to the ground then lick up a trail of dirt all in the hopes that some leftist will pat him on the head and call him smart. Disgusting!
Forget Obama’s birth certificate, you’ve been played on that one to look like the crazies you are. Rght now, I think you should focus on what planet Palin was born on. Let’s see how MUCH of an outsider you can make her.
Pretty funny. Birthers are nuts. The truth obviously hurts. Hey Steve. Produce your own birth certificate! Not a copy. Can you? Obama is still a pretty crappy excuse for leader of the free world, though, either way.
One thing is for sure, this writer is a sucker for left “wingnuts” and has Obama-itis. Hopefully he’s curable. One long-form birth certificate won’t do it, however. Seriously, the bottom line, if this ever gets unraveled in a court of law, as it should, is that the Constitution allows for the President to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN-not any other kind of citizen (of which there are 4 more types). Unlike us, our forefathers were intelligent, rational beings who also cared more for us than we do for them. They understood what was at stake at the highest office of the land of the greatest country in the world EVEN BACK THEN! No dual allegiances! No offspring of even 1 foreign-born parent who was not an American citizen (of any type) at the time of the offspring’s birth. No. This writer shows he is the one who can’t truly concentrate on the only thread that will unravel this mess of a hoax and shows very little, if any, regard for our sovereign laws or his own birthright of the greatest nation ever on earth.
So supposing Obama produces a long form original birth certificate. Hand signed, stamped, certified and everything. How many of you birthers will shut the hell up? Not many I’m willing to bet, the mark of a conspiracy theory is that every piece of evidence to the contrary is treated as proof that the conspiracy is covering their tracks. Ask yourself this: “Is there any piece of evidence that would convince me?” If the answer is no then you need to accept that you’re not really looking for the truth any more.
Rght now, I think you should focus on what planet Palin was born on.
I can see Russia from my moon, you betcha!
Good news Frank! Thomas L (Comment #29) thinks your smart. I hope the floor tasted good.
NRO had a good editorial on this issue on July 28th (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTRjMTFhMzQxYmEzNjA2YWIwOTU4YWVjNzRmODE2NTI=). I do not think anyone will ever get anywhere with this issue and it just distracts from the pressing issues of stopping Obama from ruining the country. I think more effort should be directed to stopping Cap and Trade and Obamacare than on his birth certificate.
The satire was a little too broad but the point is well made. The problem with Obama is not where he was born but with his policies. Focus on where he wants to take this country; not where he was born. The media is determined to make anyone the doesn’t want us to be Venezuela in a decade look like an idiot and nutcase. Don’t help them by supporting conspiracy theories that will never be proved (even in the unlikely event it is true!) The MSM endorses any nutty claim from their liberal media friends(such as the Palin nonsense)and tries to bury or lie about anything negative for Obama (or any Democrat). Unfair and dishonest, of course, but that’s reality of our society. All you can do is not watch, read, or in any way support the liberal media (including public television–I used to always be a member but no more). Focus on what we can fight sucessfully and drop the hopeless causes that can be used against us!
The article is incredibly cute, but perhaps Pajama’s time and money would be better spent actually pointing out the truth. For instance, the announcements mentioned above only had the date, his parents’ names, and their supposed address. They didn’t have BHO’s name, what city he was born in, or the hospital. And, no one has provided proof that they could have only come from a birth hospital and could not have been planted by his grandparents who wanted it in case of a custody battle or just as a keepsake.
Despite all those issues, the BHO-supporting MSM has pretended that they’re proof and that anyone who points out that they aren’t proof is insane. That’s verging on how things were done in the U.S.S.R.
And, Pajamas is enabling the BHO-supporting MSM to lie.
The following applies to this article and the many others similar to it:
http://24ahead.com/obama-opponents-still-helping-him
TO: All
RE: !!! WARNING !!! WARNING !!! WARNING !!!
DO NOT READ THIS article if you are eating or drinking anything. If you MUST EAT and/or DRINK while reading this article, be sure to have someone standing by to apply the Heimlick Manuever.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Wit makes its own welcome, and levels all distinctions. No dignity, no learning, no force of character, can make any stand against good wit. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
P.S. But if it kills you after it comes in the front door….what good is it?
Blah, Blah and more Blah Blah. King Hussein has spent almost $1 million to keep anyone from seeing his real birth certificate. People are being called names and made fun of just because they want to see Obama’s real birth certificate. Wow. So, Obama, save some of your illegally spent campaign money and just show your real Birth Certificate. And Why Not?
31. Paul in MI:”…the mark of a conspiracy theory is that every piece of evidence to the contrary is treated as proof that the conspiracy is covering their tracks. Ask yourself this: “Is there any piece of evidence that would convince me?” If the answer is no then you need to accept that you’re not really looking for the truth any more.”
Spot on. They’re not actually looking for the truth. They’re just furious that a black president was elected and are trying to stir up enough baseless crap and innuendo to try to discredit the president in the hopes of getting him impeached or forcing him to resign. It’s the timeless art of throwing **** against a wall and hoping something will stick. It’s a pretty pathetic and deranged tactic, and I’m glad to see it’s blowing up in their faces.
Right on Roger! However, and I hate to break it to you, I think “your” (sic) actually not too smart. Did you mean flour, by the way?
First off, there was no travel ban by American citizens to Pakistan in 1981. If Obama was able to travel to Pakistan in 1981 because he was not a citizen, the question is why he was allowed to be in the United States in the first place, not that he was a citizen.
The problem with the “birthers” is that they fail to recognize that Obama is being asked to provide more evidence that he was born in America than any other candidate for office. The FEC has always accepted the documentation that Obama provided. The “birthers” also fail to recognize that Obama has been relying on this very same documentation all his life. This same so called fraudulent birth certificate was used by Obama to enroll in kindergarten, to get medical care, to get a driver’s license, to get a Social Security card, to pass the MANY government AND private background checks that he has needed throughout his life, etc. The “birthers” are pretending that Obama never needed to present a valid birth certificate until when he ran for president. So all of a sudden Obama is supposed to provide his “long form” birth certificate when he didn’t even need it to enroll in Hawai’i kindergarten when he was 5 years old, didn’t need it for his passport when he left for Indonesia a few years later, and so on? And he needs to show the “long form” birth certificate to the FEC or to some federal judge when John McCain, George W. Bush, John Kerry, Ronald Reagan etc. never had to?
This whole “why doesn’t he just release the birth certificate and answer everyone’s questions” is nonsense. No one has any obligation to address charges that are on their face without merit. Also, the people claiming that Obama was born in Kenya don’t have a shred of proof. They haven’t found a single person who asserts that Obama was born there, who played any role in his delivery, or saw him in Kenya as a baby. (The famous “Obama grandmother said he was born in her village” video was edited, Obama’s grandmother actually says in the interview that he was born in Hawai’i, and the people who knowingly circulate and cite this edited video are liars. This is why not even the birthers have bothered to depose her.) If such people existed, they would produce them. They haven’t even produced a plausible scenario where an 18 year old American college student would have been giving birth in 1961 Kenya in the first place. Meanwhile, there IS evidence that Obama was born in America: the birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser for instance. Now fine, Ann Dunham may have called her Hawai’i parents and had them run the announcement. But A) give the reason why she would have had this done and B) provide evidence that she did so. More important, why did not Ann Dunham or her very responsible family go through the step of getting their illegal immigrant child and grandchild naturalized? Even if Ms. Dunham was a scofflaw due to her radical political beliefs, do you believe that the same is true of her parents, especially Obama’s very devoted grandmother?
Also, I think that a lot of you are unaware of the actual history of this “birth certificate” nonsense. Hillary Clinton loyalists were the first ones responsible for this nonsense way back in 2008 when it became apparent that he was a possible threat to her getting the nomination. Sure, they were hoping to prove that he was born in Kenya and ineligible. But that wasn’t the ONLY reason why they wanted it. It was a classic attempt at a dirt – digging smear campaign. There were all sorts of theories: that Obama’s birth certificate claimed that he was born a Muslim, that Obama’s father denied paternity, that Obama’s father was not listed on the birth certificate, or that Obama’s real father was some random black man that knocked Ann Dunham up, or that Obama’s race on the birth certificate was listed as something other than black (due to Obama’s father’s having Arabic ancestry). They were looking for any dirt, anything embarrassing that would have given Hillary Clinton better numbers in Iowa, South Carolina or thereafter. They were thinking that either they could prove that Obama wasn’t really a citizen and get him kicked out of the race, or failing that prove that he wasn’t really black and get black voters to abandon him allowing Hillary to win, and they didn’t care which. In any case, obviously the Obama campaign refused to allow his information released to people willing to use it as a smear campaign. And no, Obama also shouldn’t release his information to the bunch of LIARS who are parading around an edited version of his own grandmother’s interview and using it to “prove” that he was born in Kenya.
Obama should only release his birth certificate when a federal judge tells him to. And guess what? The federal judge WILL NOT release the birth certificate for public consumption UNLESS OBAMA CONSENTS TO IT. Why? Because that information belongs to Obama, and he has sole control over what happens to it. Despite what the echo chamber says, there is no public interest or compelling legal reason for Obama to release his birth certificate (just as there wasn’t for Bill Clinton to release his medical records). So even if the birthers somehow prevail in federal court despite not having a shred of evidence on their side, Obama’s birth certificate will ONLY be viewed by that federal judge and then go back into its vault. None of you are EVER going to see it.
Further, no, releasing his birth certificate won’t “answer all the questions.” Why? Because the people driving this thing are already convinced that Obama was born in Kenya. For them, the true and right thing to happen isn’t for Obama’s birth certificate to be released, inspected and a judgment to be made. For them, the true and right thing would be for Obama to be declared a citizen of Kenya, removed from office, and deported. (Many of them also erroneously believe that it would make John McCain president or at the very least require a new election, which is their primary motive. Few of these people know that the only result of getting Obama out of office would be making Joe Biden president with Hillary Clinton or Maxine Waters vice president.) So if Obama’s birth certificate were to say anything other than “born in Kenya” on it, the “birthers” would simply claim that it is a fraud, a conspiracy, etc.
So since the people who want it have absolutely no evidence, since the original people who desired it wanted it for illegitimate reasons (and some still want it to see it for that reason), and most important since it won’t end the controversy because the people who are committed to believing that Obama was born in Kenya will simply claim that it is a conspiracy, what good will releasing it do? Even the birthers who either accept that the birth certificate is legitimate (or that they no longer have a chance of prevailing on that front) will just move onto something else. Why? Because the birthers are primarily motivated by their opposition to Obama. So for them, the subject of their opposition will just go from the birth certificate back to ACORN, Tony Rezko, Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, the Muslim Brotherhood or whatever else. (Not saying that none of those are legitimate issues, quite the contrary they all are and need to be better investigated by the press and should have been in the past, but you get my point.)
Bottom line: even if Obama was born in Kenya, you guys will never prove it because A) if Obama AND THE DUNHAM FAMILY have been getting away with whatever they have been using since they took baby Obama to the doctor for his first medical checkup when he was like 4 weeks old, then they have gotten so good at evasion that it will be impossible to nail them now and B) there honestly is no legal requirement for Obama to provide anything other than the short form. The FEC has always accepted it, and so has everyone else. Even changing the law now (as a bill currently filed in Congress would do) cannot be applied to Obama retroactively.
So you can keep fighting this fight if you choose – it’s a free country – but in the course of doing so please know that you are merely wasting your time.
Mike W.:
Do you ever wonder if the reason you think everyone who opposes Obama must be a racist is because you’re a racist who never sees anything about people other than their race?
“A Modest Proposal” this is not. There is always reason to distrust official pronouncements to some degree and simply being born in the USA does not make one a Natural Born Citizen at the time of Obama’s birth.
For my entire life I trusted the official pronouncements of the FBI lab. I believed it to be impartial, scientific, and trustworthy. Obviously, it was not.
I personally believe that our President was born in the US. I also believe that there is a chance that a court might have (past tense) decided that he was not a natural born citizen due to the circumstances of his birth. I see no chance that any court in our land will currently find against a minority who is POTUS. Before he was elected, possibly, now, never.
Two things are at work. One, is that conservative constructionist judges are just that, conservative and thus unlikely to want to rock the boat to the degree that invalidating the first several months of an entire administration would entail. Second, liberal judges believe that the ends justify the means and if they could see Leonard Peltier in the White House they would turn a blind eye to anything.
Is there something Obama does not want us to see in his records? Hell yes. ‘The Lady doth protest too much’ in this case and there’s something there. What it is I have no idea. I figure it probably has something to do with his student status (foreign) or his travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport or something that indicates he is not an American citizen.
As I found out the other day, this is false. There was no such ban by the State Department in 1981. Look it up.
I’ve figured out why the conservative blogs are running these articles making fun of their own though – it’s called ratings.
There’s nothing funny about real American citizens really wanting to know that a man set out to destroy America meets the Constitutional requirements to do so.
1. There’s a Chinese Emperor with the same COLB document that BHO has shown the public. The Emperor is not a natural born citizen.
2. Newspaper ads (unless placed by a government agency, not the relatives – and there is some contention that this announcement was placed by the government) are often placed in hometown newspapers by people who no longer live in the area. Note the announcement says Mr. & Mrs. Barack Obama….. – Mr. Barack Obama lived in Kenya at the time of the birth, we know that.
3. The Hawaiian official merely stated there was a birth certificate (long form) on record. No confirmation of what that long form disclosed as far as country of birth.
All that said, from the latest disclosures, I tend to believe BHO was born in Hawaii. I simply can’t figure out why he doesn’t have to prove it to US officials.
So supposing Obama produces a long form original birth certificate. Hand signed, stamped, certified and everything. How many of you birthers will shut the hell up?
I can’t speak for the leftists but the vast majority of conservatives will be satisfied with satisfaction of the requirements of due diligence – and nothing else.
31 paul in michigan
I’d stop asking about the birth certificate immediately after SEEING THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
I want to know what it is he’s trying so hard to hide. Seeing the certificate will answer all, and if the answer is ‘he’s not hiding anything’, I’ll sit down and eat my popcorn.
You seem to be making the assertion that, since we’ll never be satisfied, why give us the simple thing we are asking for….?
But your premise, that we’ll never be satisfied, is just ridiculous.
That statement in itself is crap. It has NOTHING to do with his race and a lot to do with who he is and what he is doing to America. Expecting the Constitution to be upheld is not crap.
This faerie tale proves that it’s way past medication time for you Mr. Fleming, if that is your nam. Maybe you are from Iran, Iraq, Russia, possibly from the Starship Enterprise. Show me your Birth Certificate.
Thomas L — Thanks for the editorial work. You may have a future in that, but your reasoning … well … that is another story. Lick the dirt Thomas; lick the dirt the king is watching.
A terribly poor attempt at satire.
When someone spends almost $1,000,000 on hiding personal documents that previous Presidents, Presidential candidates, and politicians have made readily available to the public you have to wonder “what is the man hiding?” If its a non-issue, and there’s nothing to hide then why waste the money? Make the the documents public. That’s a logical and reasonable request, especially in light of his rather unique situation which includes a childhood in a foreign nation which has not occurred with previous Presidents.
In fact its the liberals and conservatives that are snubbing those who want his documents released that worry me the most. The Constitutional requirements for becoming President are rather simple, straight forward, and not all that difficult to meet for the average American born individual. HI had some “iffy” practices when it came to issuing birth certificates at the time of his birth which is the root of the doubt surrounding the short form BC. By mocking those that want proof of his Constitutional eligibility in the form of original documentation you’re telling me that the document from which our Federal Government receives its authority means little to you. You’re also telling your politicians that too. So what’s next that really isn’t that important? 1st Amendment? 2nd Amendment? 4th Amendment? 5th Amendment?
I’d like to see the document that proves Obama was born in Kenya. All you have to do is release the document and this all goes away.
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
The article *is* funny, Frank, but aren’t those of us who distrust barry hussein entitled to our conspiracy theories as much as the “truthers” of Dubya’s day? The fact that barry isn’t a US citizen is much closer to being true just by the way that green turd of a facist behaves when it comes to our country.
Frank:
Seeing all the troll-love for you here, I’d say you hit the nail on the head.
Thank you, Frank Fleming, for writing this rather lame attempt at satire…
It’s because of “well-meaning” people like you that this issue is kept alive in the media and on the minds of the public.
Sooner or later the cries will turn from “kooks” to “some” legitimate commentators (thank-you Dobbs and Limbaugh!) to the mainstream media..
…eventually to a NATIONAL OUT-CRY:
“WHERE IS YOUR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”
“WHERE ARE YOUR SCHOOL (including kindergarten!) AND COLLEGE RECORDS?”
“WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MILLIONS TO HIDE THEM?”
This is NOT just about the birth certificate…!
It’s about his concerted and vigorus attempt to have ANY of his past examined!!
Can you get that through your satirical head, Mr. Fleming?
THAT is the point of “birthers”….
We want to know…WHAT IS HE HIDING????????????
WHY IS HE TRYING SO DESPERATELY TO HIDE IT ALL??
Frank… don’t you realize that you are taking the same tack here that the anti-creationists have used to minimize, marginalize, and radicalize the whole concept of creation? Painting what is at it’s base a very reasonable proposition (in this case the production of an original, offical document) as being unreasonable and irrational, in order to avoid the actual question.
I’m not a “birther” but I am extremely interested to discover why Obama seems so obsessed with obscuring virtually all records of his pre-public-office past.
42. Frank J. Fleming: “Do you ever wonder if the reason you think everyone who opposes Obama must be a racist is because you’re a racist who never sees anything about people other than their race?”
I do not believe that everyone who opposes President Obama does so out of racism. I do believe that those select few who use the inane birth certificate conspiracy as a means to question the president’s legitimacy are racist and use the conspiracy as a convenient cover because they are simply too cowardly to come out and say that they don’t think a black man ought to be president for fear that their admission will ruin their reputations/careers/friendships/general credibility.
It becomes difficult not to focus on race when a major national political party continues to catch flak for circulating a variety of racist images of the president and of a White House lawn covered in watermelon.
It also becomes difficult not to focus on race when last week literally half of all PJM articles were focused on drawing Louis Gates as a racist.
Do you ever wonder if part of the reason that racism continues to be prevalent in our society is because pseudo-journos like you, Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck stand to make a crapload of money off of riling up angry white people with racist conspiracy theories?
Just asking.
TO: Blarty Boy
RE: The Kenyan Birth Certificate
Lou Dobbs at CNN is reporting that the birth certificate was destroyed.
It was probably fed to the Director of the Kenyan Department of Vital Statistics goat. [No need to waste good paper.]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. They’ll eat the goat in order to destroy all other evidence at the next annual goat-slaughter-and-eat festival.
It’s their way of the CIA’s methodology for destroying documents: shred, burn and stir.
But they use, chew, burn and eat…..
Fail.
Mr. Fleming:
Not your best piece, bud.
It’s a good sign, though, that the attempts at ridicule are falling flat.
“All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.”
- Schopenhauer”
Because even Allahpundit acknowledges, (on July 21st, 2009):
“Slowly but surely, this meme is going mainstream: Lou Dobbs picked it up (credulously) in his radio show this morning, Rick Sanchez goofed on it this afternoon, even Rush is starting to talk about it — foolishly, really, given how it distracts from the momentum conservatives are building against ObamaCare. Lost in all the blather is the shining fact that the natural-born requirement is probably the single dumbest operative provision in the Constitution and in a sane world would have been abolished decades ago in favor of some sort of residency requirement.”
Notice how Allahpundit gives away the next “fallback position”…that the Constitution is the problem, rather than the simpletons who, in their spoiled and child-like way, just want what THEY want, and to Hell with the factual details.
You know, back in the day when it was permitted in the work place, I used to hate smokers because their annoying, ugly, disgusting habit infringed on the fresh air in my work space, recreation space, etc. But, as the “second-hand smoke” argument chased these people out into the cold and rain (and 50 feet away from doorways), away from outdoor venues like ball parks, beaches, and — in some cases — in their own homes, I began to fear that the “blow back” (sorry) might have unintended consequences. Later, I saw that those who were successful in squeezing smokers out were now going after Big Mac, fast food, fatties. They would militate against Denny’s Grand Slams, sodas, and the other “pleasures” of life that were “harmful” to society as a whole.
One begins to wonder what lurks in the unread health care reform bill “for the greater good”.
In this case, all of a sudden, there is an intense animus to discredit these people from both the Left and the Right. It kinda makes one wonder — like the vitriol hurled at Sarah Palin — that, where there’s smoke (sorry again), there’s fire.
Mike W.:
If you’re going to deny your racism, you’re just going to further marginalize yourself. You need to fess up to your own problems and deal with then and not project them onto other people.
47. katablog.com: “That statement in itself is crap. It has NOTHING to do with his race and a lot to do with who he is and what he is doing to America. Expecting the Constitution to be upheld is not crap.”
You’re right, expecting the Constitution to be upheld is not crap. But you know what is crap? Selectively deciding when the Constitution should be upheld. When a white Republican president ignores the Constitution in order to illegally wiretap private citzens, we don’t hear a peep about upholding the Constitution out of you right wing lunatics. But when a black Democrat is elected, suddenly its a Constitutional crisis.
You can bull**** all you want, but it’s pretty clear that this birther conpiracy nonsence has everything to do with race and hyperpartisan politics, and nothing to do with the Constitution.
Oh, by the way, Mr. Fleming (sorry about all the yelling!) I’m just curious about a few things:
Can you explain WHY Barry would LIE in his autobiography about when his mother moved to Seattle in September of 1961 (not 1962!) to attend the Univ. of Washington when Obama was just WEEKS old, leaving Obama Sr. in Hawaii???
This has been PROVEN by U of WA records and eye-witness accounts of an Obama babysitter in WA from December of 1961!
Can you explain WHY the Hawaii address published in the newspaper announcement of Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama giving birth to a son, was NEVER lived in by any Obamas???
This has been PROVEN by investigators who found out the original occupants died just DAYS before the “newspaper announcement” was discovered in June of ’08. And no neighbors living there at the time remember any mixed-race couple living there or birth of a black baby! Just the same original owners of the house from 1961 until their deaths.
Some speculate the original owners of the house, a liberal professor at U of Hawaii and his wife, were doing the Dunhams/Obamas a “favor” by letting them use their address for the “announcement”.
Can you explain WHY they would need to do that?
Oh, and can you explain WHY Obama would need to hide his kindergarten records?
The ONLY ONE missing from his entire class???
Come ‘on, KINDERGARTEN???????
Please…there’s the perfect subject for your next “satirical” piece:
The President who had a “smoking gun” in his KINDERGARTEN records!
I’m already laughing!
National Review Online has an excellent (though slightly long) article that touches on what all this controversy really boils down to;
And why would Obama not welcome Hawaii’s release of any record in its possession about the facts and circumstances of his birth? Isn’t that kind of weird? It would, after all, make the whole issue go away and, if there’s nothing there, make those who’ve obsessed over it look like fools. Why should I need any better reason to be curious than Obama’s odd resistance to so obvious a resolution?
There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson — who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii — that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama may have wanted that suppressed for a host of reasons: issues about his citizenship, questions about his name (it’s been claimed that Obama represented in his application to the Illinois bar that he had never been known by any name other than Barack Obama), and the undermining of his (false) claim of remoteness from Islam. Is that true? I don’t know and neither do you.
The article can be found at:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU=&w=MA==
Please read this article from NRO and BLAST it all over the internet. Lets not let the MSM marginalize us as birthers.
Google and read “Suborned in the U.S.A.
The birth-certificate controversy is about Obamas honesty, not where he was born.”
By Andrew C. McCarthy
Roger – You are seriously deranged. Do you see anywhere some kind of indication that I’m what you think I am? Would my birth certificate help? Not only am I not a conspiracy nut, I’m not a socialist. If there’s any licking to be done, lick my arse! Don’t tread on me, idiot.
OH MY! I didn’t know that, STUPID!
The article does have a common thread with Obama….It pretends!
I do believe that those select few who use the inane birth certificate conspiracy as a means to question the president’s legitimacy are racist and use the conspiracy as a convenient cover because they are simply too cowardly to come out and say that they don’t think a black man ought to be president…
No, they just don’t think a democrat should be president.
If Alan Keyes was president right now, there would be no flak from the right. However, the left would be marching on Washington, protesting the war in Afghanistan and calling for Keyes’ impeachment for one reason or another. Would they be doing this because they’re racists?
No. They would do it for the same reason the birthers are becoming rowdy – because Americans mistakenly see politics as the cause and the solution to all of their problems, and when their party is out of power, the losing team goes crazy.
Yes, Mr. Flemming please answer why someone with nothing to hide would spend almost $1m and flex political muscle to hide all pertinent records about his past when other in his position have allowed those records to be public?
We all know “W” was a C student, what do we know about BO’s grades?
I was not born in the US and my birth announcement was in the paper in my mother’s hometown. The announcement proves nothing.
I’m sure his mom had a doctor or medical records. If people were accusing me of being ineligible to do my job based on something like this I wouldn’t spend millions of dollars fighting it unless there were some truth to it.
Mike W.-
Gee..when satire and ridicule doesn’t seem to be working…there’s always that RACE CARD!!!
Pathetic…
If everyone who “opposes” the whole attempt to get to the TRUTH would just let things progress their merry way, it should all end up on the dust heap of other “disproven” theories, right?
Ya’d think!
Funny how this one just keeps on truckin’ and seems to pick up steam, despite all efforts (liberal and consevative) to disparage it.
WHERE IS THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
WHAT ARE THE BIRTHERS HIDING?
Andrew McCarthy weighs in on our black supremist president and his birth certificate:
Suborned in the U.S.A.
The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born.
By Andrew C. McCarthy
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU
Throughout the 2008 campaign, Barack Hussein Obama claimed it was a “smear” to refer to him as “Barack Hussein Obama.” The candidate had initially rhapsodized over how his middle name, the name of the prophet Mohammed’s grandson, would signal a new beginning in American relations with the Muslim world. But when the nomination fight intensified, Obama decided that Islamic heritage was a net negative. So, with a media reliably uncurious about political biographies outside metropolitan Wasilla, Obama did what Obama always does: He airbrushed his personal history on the fly.
Suddenly, it was “just making stuff up,” as Obama put it, for questioners “to say that, you know, maybe he’s got Muslim connections.” “The only connection I’ve had to Islam,” the candidate insisted, “is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from [Kenya]. But I’ve never practiced Islam.” Forget about “Hussein”; the mere mention of Obama’s middle initial — “H” — riled the famously thin-skinned senator. Supporters charged that “shadowy attackers” were “lying about Barack’s religion, claiming he is a Muslim.” The Obamedia division at USA Today, in a report subtly titled “Obama’s grandma slams ‘untruths,’” went so far as to claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother is a Christian — even though a year earlier, when Obama’s “flaunt Muslim ties” script was still operative, the New York Times had described the same woman, 85-year-old Sara Hussein Obama, as a “lifelong Muslim” who proclaimed, “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith.”………
Don’t back down now. Not on this anti-white racist and his cohorts. Time to turn it up,up,up.
Let’s go get ‘em. I’ve had enough.
Maybe one of you racist commies can ask Obama what the meaning of the word “irregardless” is. He kept using it in a press conference the other day.
TO: Blarty Boy
RE: Heh
GRAB THE GOAT! GET A STOMACH PUMP!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S…..
Show US the Hawaiian Birth Certificate!
P.P.S. Why are the Hawaiians so afraid?
P.P.P.S. Regarding the Kenyan Birth Certificate….YOU, Blarty….
….go collect all the goats ‘droppings’ for forensics.
Remember…..
….YOU were ‘asking’ for it.
TO: All
RE: Heh
If the heraldric class would do the research….
….would the Obama coat-of-arms sport a bar sinister?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Show us the marriage license!]
Mr. Fleming,
You’re attempt to belittle us only exposes how much of a clueless moron you are regarding this issue.
Why? Because a few minutes of research on the internet is all it takes to find the following
article.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
Now, after reading that, if you still think this is a waste of time, then you are either a moron or a liar.
So which is it Mr. Fleming?
We don’t laugh at our Constitution in my family. We respect the US Constitution and wish our elected representatives did too. Mr. Fleming, I find your drivel offensive. Now, about the citizenship of mr. obama/oyango sr: If he married Anna Dunham legally, would he not be a US Citizen and barry would have two us parents no matter where he was born. However, a question is could they have married legally in the USA in 1961? Were there not laws against misegenation in 1961? Was oyango/obama sr not already married to Kezia in Kenya? I fear obama/oyango and anne were never legally married, oyango/obama was not a citizen and unless barry’s dad was Frank Davis (which I believe to be the case) we have an unnatural born citizen usurping our white house. barry’s medical records have never been released either. his mother and grandmother supposedly died of cancer (his mother at 52) maybe barry is hiding something besides drug rehab.????????? so many questions, so much fiction, so few facts.
To show you just at what links the fraud Obama and his people will go to in order to cover his a__, look at this
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431print.html
I’m sure you’ll belittle the messenger on this rather than try to get to the bottom of it, but reasonable people are watching you now and can judge you accordingly.
Are you for truth and justice?
BIRTHERS: RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND THIS ALL GOES AWAY
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
68. Mary Madigan: “If Alan Keyes was president right now, there would be no flak from the right. However, the left would be marching on Washington, protesting the war in Afghanistan and calling for Keyes’ impeachment for one reason or another. Would they be doing this because they’re racists? “
Yeah, except that fantasy scenario would require the GOP to choose a black person as their candidate for president. Which will never happen.. I think if Alan Keyes were president, the left would be marching on Washington to hold a “Hooray, the ignorant southern white racist voting bloc no longer has a stranglehold on the GOP” rally.
“Birthers”are nuts.
WHY WON’T ORLY TAITZ RELEASE HER LAW LICENSE?
WHAT IS SHE HIDING?
labar:
Yes, all mainstream conservatives are morons for ridiculing this issue instead of finding whatever report it is you linked to. You smirt and good debater.
Mike W:
If Alan Keyes were elected president, if would be nothing but racial slurs from the left just like with Steele. The left HATE anyone who doesn’t share their myopic views, and they’ll hate in whatever way is most convenient. If you don’t own up to your racism, you’ll just continue to repeat it. Did you have a bad experience with black people or other minorities as a child?
TO: All
RE: Heh
Am I mistaken? Or is Blarthy ‘repeating’ himself?
Regards,
Chuck(le
[The Truth will out.....]
TAITZ NOT REALLY A LAWYER.
WHY IS THE TAITZ-LOVING MSM SILENT?
WHO IS FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE?
Get a grip! The Republican governor of Hawaii produced a photo copy of President Obama’s birth certificate and two notices of his birth from local newspapers. It is my feeling that the far right faction of the Republican Party can not deal with the fact that a highly-educated and intelligent African-American man sits in the White House. They do not help the Republican Party with this kind of nonsense and it only makes them look more desperate than they are. Then, Fox News, per Glen Beck, states that President Obama hates white people. He fails to mention that his Mother was white and he was raised by two white grandparents whom he dearly loved. As a former life time Republican, I must ask what has happened to the once-proud Republican Party? Allowing this kind of nonsense to go on with rants from Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter and other far-right wing nuts of the Party without one major Republican standing up and saying this is wrong. If this keeps up, you will never again regain your status as a respectable and responsible party whom Americans should look up to.
What the heck is a BIRTHER?? Sounds like something fromt he X-Files!!! Are you guys body snacthers.. Let us for a moment be serious. It’s evident that you guys are fighting over skin tone, something nobody has control over… You are stating that the President is not American, He was born in Mars or Austrailia or whatever you BIRTHER aliens think.. Serious do you go to cook outs and during casual conversation state, “Yeah I’m a Birther, been one since beginning of election..” This is absolutely the funniest think I ever heard… So stop wasting your energy focusing on what is not true… Hey they have this new resteraunt, It’s all based on cereal, You can order any cereal you like Captain Crunch, Raisin Bran, etc.. They have one in California, don’t know if it’s expanding… YOU BIRTHERS should check it out… and relax!
People who use the term birthers to denigrate those who call for the production of a real birth certificate are idiots.
To 83. Mike W.
You do know they almost tried to force Powell to run one year but he completely refused because he knew he would win both the primary and the country and the Dems would try to repeatably take him out before either happened…
The Dems would never let a black run for president for the GOP… it would be dealt with in standard leftist fashion.
Long form birth certificate = Little Blue Dress 2010
The Republican governor of Hawaii produced a photo copy of President Obama’s birth certificate and two notices of his birth from local newspapers.
Please provide your source for production of the birth certificate ? Why wasn’t it given to the media? Are you sure you don’t nean Certification of Live Birth, which is not the same thing since under Hawaiian law they were being issued to people not born in Hawaii.
It’s not just Obama’s original birth certificate at issue. Among the documentation not yet available for (read hidden and/or sealed) Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
Over a million dollars to date spent by Dear Leader to hide the hard copy long form of the certificate. Why?
TO: FOUR-LEAF PELTO
RE: FEAR
FOUR-LEAF, WHY ARE YOU FIGHTING RELEASE OF OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE.
REGARDS,
BLARTY BLARCKLEBLART
[THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE]
http://bogusbithcertificate.blogspot.com/
hundreds of pages on the fake/forgery.
Great detail on how they did it.
Oh, lordy. Now we have anti-birfer troofers. Good gawd.
Valerie Jay-
Since when is it WRONG to want to see the Constitution upheld?
Vasio-
This is NOT over “skin tone” and NOT over wether the President is an American! The President IS an AMERICAN CITIZEN….got it? But that’s NOT what the Constitution calls for. If you have a problem with the DEFINITION of what a “natural born citizen” is, take it up with a Constitutional lawyer or try to change the Constitution!
For a good indepth look at what defines a “natural-born” citizen look here if you want to learn: http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
Can all you detractors, satirists, scoffers, and mockers just ask Obama to stick to HIS WORD and have a TRANSPARENT PRESIDENCY???
My God, Obama is hiding more details about himself in 6 months of his presidency than NIXON ever hid in ALL 4 YEARS of his!
Doesn’t that strike you as just a little bit weird?
I, for one, believe this would be FRONT PAGE NEWS EVERY DAY, if this were a WHITE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers to hid his past….RIGHT????
Instead, since he’s black, everyone questioning his deception and hiding his past is RACIST, and since he’s a Democrat…we’re all right-wing-nut-jobs hurting the Republican Party!!!
I could give a RAT’S ASS about the Republican Party right now…I want to know the TRUTH!!!
Just incredible.
I think if Alan Keyes were president, the left would be marching on Washington to hold a “Hooray, the ignorant southern white racist voting bloc no longer has a stranglehold on the GOP” rally.
Yeah right, just like they celebrated Dr. Condoleezza Rice’s nomination as Secretary of State. Why on earth did the Independent Women’s Forum feel the need to complain about the racist nature of these “celebrations”?
(Note the monkey reference in the comments)
86. Frank J. Fleming: “The left HATE anyone who doesn’t share their myopic views, and they’ll hate in whatever way is most convenient.”
Hating in whatever way is convenient…hmmm…you mean like exploiting some misguided people’s confusion regarding birth records in order to baselessly smear the President of the United States as an illegal alien?
God, what kind of sick, hateful, ignorant people would do something like that?
91. Terry Gain:
PEOPLE WHO USE THE TERM IDIOTS TO DENIGRATE THOSE DENIGRATE THOSE WHO CALL FOR THE PRODUCTION OF A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE ARE MORONS.
RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE, TAITZ! ARE YOU AFRAID THE WORLD WILL FIND OUT THAT YOU ARE NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW.
THAT SHOULD BE “…DENIGRATE THOSE WHO DENIGRATE THOSE…”
ORLY TAITZ IS SABOTAGING MY POSTS IN ORDER TO SILENCE THE TRUTH
Mike W.:
Or would think a president would blow up building in NY? Or blow up the leevees in New Orleans. Or steal an election.
Why do you continue to cover up hate? You need to fess up to your own hatred and learn to see past it.
Forget all tha other funny business with this COLB. Only one question needs to be answered…why is it typed in a font that didn’t exist in 1961? Answer that libtards.
@79 Labar
Thanks for the link to Western Journalism. It’s easily the most informative article I’ve yet seen on the subject of Obam’s birth certificate.
The dubious proofers should go there and have their eyes opened. That means you Mike W and Barty. And you too Fred Fleming. Measured against the startling facts contained in the linked article your attempt at satire is deeply embarrassing. You’ve been duped.
I urge everyone here espcially those of you who use the ignorant term birther to go follow the link.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
I think he doesn’t release his long form birth certificate because his mom listed his race as Caucasian/white. That wouldn’t fit the First Black President thing out of the water.
pma95:
Are you serious? It was a recent printout based on the data in their database.
Legal for all purposes in which a birth certificate is needed.
I think he doesn’t release his long form birth certificate because his mom listed his race as Caucasian/white. That wouldn’t fit the First Black President thing.
Terry Gain
Excellent link.
Where are the National Enquirer, Kitty Kelly and Star Magazine when you need them? Who is the right’s equivalent of Geraldo Rivera? Maybe there can be a new version of “To Tell the Truth” and the first epi can start out, “Hi. I’m Barack Obama and I was born in Hawaii.” Or would that be a comedy?
More seriously, the story has legs because he’s such a hypocrite. It’s hard to have a transparent presidency when the president is such a secretive goofball. I mean, is he trying to be Jason Bourne or 007? Or Jetro Bodine, double-naught spy? Ooo, I feel a teachable moment coming on, I better grab a beer. Amstel light. Frank, can I pour you one?
Too heavy on the sarcasm.
Frank J. Fleming
I suggest you make amends and satirize Obama’s fake selective service registration.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431print.html
edit: How could I mess that up? JETHRO Bodine. My brother will not be pleased, Jethro is his fav-o-right TV character ever.
Someday, scoffers will come to know these FACTS:
1. It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE to get a COLB from the state of Hawaii WITHOUT being born there or having a physician certify your live birth!
(See westernjournalism link above)
2. Dr. Chiyome Fukino’s latest admission that Hawaii HAS in its possession “secret” unreleased
birth records makes all media scoffers (O’Reilly, CNN management, other mainstream media) look like idiots and lackeys.
3. Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama Sr. NEVER lived in the house 6085 Kalanianoale Highway on Oahu that the newspaper birth announcement states as their address! Wether this was because the whole ad was FORGED sometime last year (as the ad was made public in June ’08 just 40 days after the last original occupant died) or because the liberal Univ of Hawaii professor who lived there was “helping out” the Dunhams/Obama’s is anyone’s guess…it is a mystery though.
4. Obama LIED in his autobiography about his family “split”. It was NOT because his father left for Harvard…it was because his MOTHER left for Seattle with him in toe. Univ. of WA records PROVE Stanley Anne Dunham was enrolled by Sept. of 1961, and eye-witness accounts have Obama being babysat in December of 1961 in Seattle. Maybe he just had a bad memory of that?
5. WHAT ELSE has Obama LIED about????
6. This inquiry will NEVER END until the TRUTH about Obama’s past becomes known.
7. He will NOT be able to run for reelection until at least a birth certificate is revealed. Many states are going to require that and more will soon. The outcry will not stop until he comes clean!
Let’s not be so harsh with Frank. Some of you seem to have read only the first paragraph, and misunderstood that. But the passion is real and that’s a good thing, so keep it flying.
boobama may or may not be hiding anything by not releasing the vault copy. we do know just like anyone else that lies as often as he does that those lies will catch up to him someday. hopefully sooner than later.
by the way if hilly did dig up anything she could easily have kept it as a hole card. maybe that’s what got her that nifty job. besides quitting the race that is.
80. Marrying a US citizen does not confer citizenship onto a foreigner, even if the spouse is in the military (which Ann Dunham wasn’t). What it does do is grant automatic Permanent Resident status, revocable if the spouses divorce within two years. So no, Barrack Sr. was not a US citizen by marriage because such a law does not exist. The reason illegal aliens would try to get married quickly is because it would prevent them from being deported, not because they’d automatically become citizens.
A Birther on the Houston Chronicle’s website posted the image of Barack Obama’s Indonesian school files. The second line says “tempat dan tanggal lebir”, which translated means “place and date of birth”. Written on that line it says HONOLULU, followed by his date of birth.
Oops. Didn’t mean to show that. Nothing to see here folks. LOL.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/SnHQnYAokVI/AAAAAAAAIE4/EdWhdFOQkqc/s1600-h/obama+birth+info.jpg
Fleming’s “humor” is getting thin and old. It’s more like ‘stupid fiction’.
The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:
Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.
Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.
PLEASE stop asking him to show his birth certificate.
The document he has shown is his real birth certificate.
AND it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.
The head of the Health Department in Hawaii has confirmed that the original certificate is the same as the copy, and therefore Obama was born when and where his American family says he was, Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu.
It has been verified by the state government official who is responsible for the document and it’s authenticity.
The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.
To 119. Les
Lets argue your right… then the birth cert obama is a fake because it doesn’t have his name aka barry on it… so your admitting that factcheck and a host of others forged a birth cert for obama? But if he was born in hawaii as you say and this name fake birh cert was done why?
Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.
In fact they have a rule specifically created to rule out this change of place of birth.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0020_0005.htm
“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents”
So the short form copy would not have listed his place of birth as Honolulu.
You might think that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 would have allowed that.
Well there is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.
Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and as per Hawaii Revised Statute 338.20.5 it does not change the Place of Birth.
But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn’t matter because 338-17.8 didn’t exist until 1982.
Re: Barry Soetoro’s citizenship, Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship at that time.
Re: travel to Pakistan. Pakistan did not permit entry by U.S. passport holders at the time Mr. Soetoro travel there.
Why is everyone so interested in these questions when the most pertinent one is whether Frank Marshall Davis supplied him with alcohol and marijuana before molesting him?
To 124. Buck
Few problems with those ideas… first its a fact that mothers can legally change the place of birth for adopted children. 2nd one can legally change their name and the new name would appear on the COLB… While we can go around in circles… no one knows for sure. Also if you read your its talking about the “vault” long form birth cert not the short form… which is legally allowed to be altered… so in effect the statue is meaningless.
The simple fact is that no one is completely sure and since its required by the constitution one should error on the side of being cautious…
False.
True.
I’ll leave it to you to figure out the difference between a Birth Certificate and a Certificate of Live Birth.
Is this a real article? WTF!
LeighB, you made me remember it was the National Enquirer that broke the story of Bill and Monica.
I’ve thought about it. I’ve reviewed all the facts. There is no doubt that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu. His attenting Physician was Dr. Rodney T. West. The Hospital forwarded the Birth announcement ( which they did for every birth )to the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin and both reported that he was born on August 4, 1961 as indicated on his birth certificate. These papers are not affliated.
The video that the birthers use of Obama’s step-grandmother Sarah Obama saying that Obama was born in Kenya is heavily edited. The full version shows that she didn’t say that.
Some think that the birth certificate is forged because the race listed on the certificate for his father is African. The instructions for filling out a birth certificate, race of a parent is determined by what the parent believes their race to be. Not by the state.
Some think that Obama lost his US citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia. There is no evidence that Obama was adopted by his step-father. No adoption records exist.
Some think that because Barack Obama Sr. was a native of Kenya, that President Obama is a British citizen. In 1961 when Barack Obama was born, Kenya was a colony that fell under British rule. At birth, President Obama held both United States and Kenyan citizenship. Barack Obama Sr.’s citizenship was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. The status of Barack Obama Sr.’s children, including Barack Obama, was also governed by the same act. When Kenya became it’s own country in 1963, all people who had been defined as British citizens under The British Nationality Act ceased to be British citizens and became citizens of Kenya instead. This is according to the Kenyan Constitution. Years later, the section of The British Nationality Act of 1948 which gave President Obama his British citizenship in the first place was repealed with The British Nationality Act of 1981.
President Obama never renounced his US citizenship nor swore an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically ended on August 4, 1982 when he was twenty one years old.
Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981. Some say that it would have been impossible for Obama to travel to Pakistan on a US passport because of a State Department travel ban for that country. Sooo, Obama must have held and traveled to Pakistan on a passport from another nation that he was a citizen of, such as Indonesia or Kenya. Trouble is, their wasn’t a travel ban to Pakistan in 1981. Their was a travel advisory. Big difference.
I could go on and on but their are so many conspiracy theories and stories from people that just cannot accept the fact the Obama won fair and square and they don’t want to accept him as their President. As one conspiracy theory is debunked, they come up with another.
The Department of Homeland Security replied to one of lawsuits filed by the birthers and basically debinked everything they are saying. The Birthers lawyer is Russian who got her law degree on-line and has publically compared Obama to Hitler.
As for the birth certificate. The one that has been presented, verified, touched, rolled in and vouched for by state officials and others, is the bonifide birth certificate that the state of Hawaii issues. It’s good for drivers licences, Id’s, passports and if given to the Supreme court would be authorized as the legitimate birth certificate. There’s a statement on the bottom of the birth certificate that says it’s legitimate for these purposes. The state of Hawaii does not issue long-form birth certificates. They were all digitized years ago and it’s illegal for the state to show them due to privacy laws. You can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” .
The state Department of Health in Hawaii no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past.
The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the official birth certificate.
None of this matters to Birthers. Even if you showed them a copy of a long-form, they’d say it was forged too or come up with some other theory as to why he shouldn’t be President. They don’t really care whether he’s legally the President of the U.S. or not. Any “reasonable” person already knows that he is.
Obama’s evasivness and stonewalling and secrecy over his birth certificate, his school records, and everything else about himself reminds me of Kerry’s evasivness and stonewalling and secrecy about his military records.
Democrats have to hide who they are.
This whole witch hunt reminds me of when the Democrats were after Bush’s military record. To see if he actually was awol. The President hid those records and Rather was discredited in the hunt. So will the Birthers. They’re doing the same thing. Only with less proof. They have no evidence at all that Obama was born anywhere else. Their lawsuit ( one of them ) alleges that he had 119 different ID’s over the years to hide his identity. That every state he has been in and lived and all state officials were all involved in some massive conspiracy spanning 50 years. They’re nut cases.
When is everyone going to realize that the truth will never come out no matter what it is. Has anyone ever thought that they could be told the truth and they would think it was a lie? What if everything we are fed through the tube is just 100% lies? Would you ever really know? How could you? Our entire generation is educated and fed off of the TV and internet. The story will never be what we want it? When you own the Associated Press and Reuters then you can decide what the truth is according to your agenda. We need to get past this, there is no truth. Get over it… its gone.
131. davidt:
What about Bush’s military records?
To 134. Now and Then
Unless he was dishonorable discharged for treason they have no legal conflict with the constitution… obama’s birth state does.
To 130. Les
While a very well put together story overall meaningless for the debate… plus much of the end part is total BS. Obama has never shown a birth cert of any kind. While a fun fairy tale that you try to paint it just doesn’t match up to the real facts.
The simple fact is its a constitutional matter…even if you don’t believe obama was born in kenyan or is illegal anyone that believes in the constitution would support the lawsuits and demand they be ruled on… the simple fact is that we know ppl who are illegal be to president have run… and gotten votes. This alone should not only scare the crap out of any sane person but show that our election system is a complete joke. The ppl that oppose the lawsuits are simply ppl who want to destroy the constitution and everything it stands for…
He most likely had Indonesian citizenship.
Where he was born is another question.
He’s the alien in chief.
genuinely funny satire Frank. Scary to see so many ‘birther’ conspiray theorists out there, posting here in anger at being made fun of. Notice that there are so many of them, just like the 9-11 conspiracy theorists on the Left. This is why I don’t have any hope for conservatives, I have given up on them, just as I have given up on the liberals.
What’s really damaging about all this birther conspiracy crap, is that it detracts attention from Obama’s disastrous foreign policy and his disastrous bankrupt-America economic policies.
When I emigrated to Israel, I could not find my birth certificate, it was lost, I think my parents had misfiled it, misplaced it – whatever. Anyhow it was something of a nightmare, getting a new copy from the Dept of Home Affairs in South Africa where I was born and raised, apostilled and all the rest..Hey maybe I was never born in South Africa, maybe I was born on the moon – you can’t prove I wasn’t because my original birth certificate has conveniently disappeared. Maybe I was actually adopted by my parents, not my real parents, from a tribe of Amazonian Indians – the possibilities are endless.
July 30, 2009
Obama’s birth certificate and the real issues
Thomas Lifson
I doff my cap and bow low to Andrew McCarthy of National Review Online, who has produced essential reading for anyone wondering what to think about the birther controversy rocking the right, and now breaking into the mainstream media, which sees an opportunity to mock and discredit the right.
He and I agree: the entire Kenyan birth theory is a distraction, and a useful tool in the hands of Alinskyites on the ridicule and destroy mission. But before moving on to other significant issues, McCarthy acknowledges that NRO’s editorial yesterday accidentally mischaracterized the nature of the documentation that is available from Hawaii. He writes:
The information in the certification may be identical as far as it goes to what’s in the complete state records, but there are evidently many more details in the state records than are set forth in the certification. Contrary to the editors’ description, those who want to see the full state record – the certificate or the so-called “vault copy” – are not on a wild-goose chase for a “secondary document cloaked in darkness.” That confuses their motives (which vary) with what they’ve actually requested (which is entirely reasonable). Regardless of why people may want to see the vault copy, what’s been requested is a primary document that is materially more detailed than what Obama has thus far provided.
McCarthy then lays out the real issue: Obama’s extraordinary secrecy, amounting to a scrubbing of his paper trail, combined with his demonstrated record of lying about his past. Obama is a phony, though and through. A former assistant US Attorney, McCarthy economically but methodically assembles the evidence, including sources, that Obama has presented a false story of his life. He lists a startling number of lies about his life story, with documentation.
The major media have done their best to obscure the existence of oddities in Obama’s life story that never made it to the two autobiographical works purportedly authored by him. It has been left to the blogosphere to point out his many lies about his past. Yet the general public remains blissfully unaware of these lies, though it does know everything about Sarah Palin’s family thanks to inquiring minds of the media.
Even worse, the mainstream media twice dug up intimate details of the lives of two men who stood in his way in acquiring his seat in the United States Senate. Richard Baehr explained this on AT in 2006:
In 2004, then-State Senator Obama trailed badly in third place just weeks before the Democratic primary for the open Illinois US Senate seat being vacated by Peter Fitzgerald. The leader was investment banker Blair Hull, who had spent about $40 million on an ad campaign that got him name recognition and a big lead in the polls.
Then the Chicago Tribune peeked into his bedroom, and revealed that he was an alleged wife beater. Hull’s campaign collapsed and most of his support swung to Obama, who was a poorly funded candidate going nowhere until the Tribune story destroyed Hull’s candidacy.
Next, the Tribune released supposedly sealed divorce documents concerning Republican nominee Jack Ryan, revealing he was a bit too kinky in his sexual tastes for his former wife. Ryan pulled out of the race, and the Illinois Republican Party, true to its decade long death wish, nominated Alan Keyes to oppose Obama. Suddenly, the unknown State Senator was now US Senator Obama with a smashing 71% share of the vote.
Obama is, in other words, a manufactured candidate. His way was paved by the media, he has lied about who he is, and he continues to lie in ways big and small. This realization is slowly dawning on people beyond the readership of the conservative internet-based media.. Growing numbers of Americans are coming to realize that they have bought into a false picture of Barack Obama. They thought he was post-racial, a healer who loves white people and can bring closure to the trauma of the legacy of slavery. His gut-level response to the Gates arrest revealed a man still angry about race, who has little regard for the men and women on the thin blue line. Also, somebody who doesn’t know how to admit he was wrong.
Once a mind is open to the concept that it has been deceived, it becomes far more curious about deceptions. This is the momentum which could well be the undoing of Obama.
Citizenship – Indonesia, not Kenya
Forget Nairobi, focus on Jakarta. McCarthy writes:
Shortly after divorcing Barack Obama Sr., Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married an Indonesian Muslim, Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo, whom she met – just as she had met Barack Sr. – when both were students at the University of Hawaii. At some point, Soetoro almost certainly adopted the youngster, who became known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama’s lengthy, deeply introspective autobiographies do not address whether he was adopted by the stepfather whose surname he shared for many years, but in all likelihood that did happen in Hawaii, before the family moved to Jakarta.
Under Indonesian law, adoption before the age of six by an Indonesian male qualified a child for citizenship. According to Dreams from My Father, Obama was four when he met Lolo Soetoro; his mother married Soetoro shortly thereafter; and Obama was already registered for school when he and his mother relocated to Jakarta, where Soetoro was an oil-company executive and liaison to the Suharto government. That was in 1966, when Obama was five. Obama attended Indonesian elementary schools, which, in Suharto’s police state, were generally reserved for citizens (and students were required to carry identity cards that matched student registration information). The records of the Catholic school Obama/Soetoro attended for three years identify him as a citizen of Indonesia. Thus Obama probably obtained Indonesian citizenship through his adoption by Soetoro in Hawaii. That inference is bolstered by the 1980 divorce submission of Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro, filed in Hawaii state court. It said “the parties” (Ann and Lolo) had a child (name not given) who was no longer a minor (Obama was 19 at the time). If Soetoro had not adopted Obama, there would have been no basis for the couple to refer to Obama as their child – he’d have been only Ann Dunham’s child.
There are many other points made in this long, thorough, and clear article. There are many things the American people legitimately deserve to know about the past of the President who leads them. And reasons to look into the legally murky question of whether he is a natural born citizen.
As McCarthy asks in a section heading: “When did information suddenly become a bad thing?” The born overseas scenario is a distraction, but the refusal to release the far more informative vault copy is a symbol of the cover-up of his true life story.If the media had not abandoned its watchdog role for Obama, while aggressively pushing it on two strategically situated opponents, he would never have become president.
Oh well its all settled then the foremost authority in the land ‘LES’ without him or anyone else even seeing a Long Form Birth Certificate has just told us exactly what it says. Now if you want to believe LES you really are a NUTCASE.
You’re a riot, IAMO – I am officially a fan.
Also, I love the karma of this birth certificate conspiracy. Take that, all you 9-11 Truther crackpots! Live by the sword, die by the sword.
@Les 130
I’ve thought about it. I’ve reviewed all the facts. There is no doubt that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu. His attenting Physician was Dr. Rodney T. West.
It takes a special kind of stupidity to make a claim like this without supplying a reference or link to your source.
Steve I appropriate you explanation into this however there is never going to be anything that happens with this. Obama is not just a man anymore, he is the executive branch of government. Their has never been a president that has been removed from office. When you party is in power in all four branches of the government, you are un touchable.
Thanks Les. Googling Dr. Rodney T. West turned up this gem.
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Earthfrisk is reporting a coordinated effort by volunteers to investigate Obama’s place of birth. He claims he was born in Honolulu, but the hospital name Obama gave is different from the name his sister gave. So volunteers checked every hospital.
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All of these were called or visited from November 20 – December 2nd 2008. It is confirmed, Obama not born in any hospital in Honolulu County! NONE! The main two hospitals claimed are below, and neither have a record of Obama or Mother Ann in either of them. Hospital employees bribed, some gave info for free. All to be released on video shortly.”
http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2008/12/obama-was-not-born-in-a-honolulu-hospital.html?cid=6a00d8341c2c6053ef010536ed3f94970c
Come on, PJM. You’re really slipping into worthlessness by giving space to articles like these. How is an article like this supposed to reach the center? You’re going to need the center on your side if you’re going to reverse the direction of the crazy train that’s been going full bore since January 20th, 2009.
YES WE ALL KNOW SOTERO WAS BORN IN KENYA. NOBODY IS DENYING THAT.
WHICH MAKES IT ALL THE MORE CURIOUS THAT TAITZ WILL NOT RELEASE HIS KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
THIS WOULD ALL GO AWAY IF SHE WOULD JUST CONFIRM THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA, WHICH WE ALL KNOW TO BE TRUE
The Haiwaiians blew up Pearl Harbor?
I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
The father was Kenyan, the mother American, the baby born in Mombasa, Kenya . . . a Kenyan. But Mom and Dad figure the baby would have a better chance as an American citizen, so they return to Hawaii, the mother’s home, rent a house, claim the baby was born outside of a hospital but in Honolulu, and obtain a birth certificate because the rules permit it. From what I’ve read that scenario is possible and is the reason the birthers’ arguments should be investigated. That possibility also makes this satire flop.
This is for Les or any others that think the whole “African” is legit.
http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf
page 231.
“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”
Don’t let the law or facts get in the way of your fiction though….
You know, the more the thugs from Chicago, the captive media and the domestic communists belittle the “birthers” and dismiss their claims as “silly,” the more I believe there must be somethings to what the birthers say. Don’t know what it is, but there must be something.
The Kenyan has refused to make so many records public that he has to be hiding something!! Wouldn’t an honest, rational person who was a US citizen but who was accused of being a foreigner welcome every opportunity to show his US birth certificate, the certificate, itself, not some hokey certificate of the certificate, and get rid of the criticism?
He is hiding something and all the ridicule of his black shirts doesn’t change that or make the birthers wrong!
Hawaii was stolen at gunpoint from the Queen because the spanish were blocking the caribean islands suger supply. Even in some twisted, sick attempt at humor; calling them ALL liars and suggesting that they were responcible for Pearl Harbor is over the top. My unkle survived that day and I myself am a Marine. I personally know desendants of the rightfull owners of the Islands and will bring this article to their attention as well as their state reps. Expect lawsuits for the owner and all responcible for this site. Free speech is one thing; slandering a whole state is another. You will suffer for this – ALL of you.
POSSIBILITIES ARE TRUTH
BELITTLEMENT IS PROOF
RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE, TAITZ
You know, if you people would only spend half as much time reading that health care bill as you do staring at Haiwaiian borth certificates you would really be doing everyone a favor.
(Though to be truthful, I maybe got through 100 pages of the tax stuff and had the incredible urge to pitch myself off the roof)
robotech master:
Claiming that Obama has never shown a birth certificate of any kind is a lie. Obama filed his birth certificate with the FEC. The FEC accepted it. When I contacted a birther who has a nationwide talk show with this fact, he replied that the FEC was at fault for simply accepting the birth certificate from Obama without investigating to see if it was authentic and not seeing whether he was born in Kenya. Well, the FEC only had that responsibility if someone challenged the authenticity of the birth certificate. The Hillary Clinton campaign did not, and neither did the John McCain campaign. Had either campaign or had any other campaign on either side, Democrats or Republicans, challenged Obama’s birth certificate with the FEC, they would have had to investigate. No one did. The McCain campaign freely acknowledges being made aware of the issue, investigating it themselves, determining that Obama was born in Hawai’i, and not pursuing the matter with the FEC. Hillary Clinton’s own supporters – again, who originated this story – tried to get her to take action on this issue for months, and she refused. So either A) they are all in on this conspiracy or B) the whole thing is a sham. Which do you choose?
Platoe:
“The father was Kenyan, the mother American, the baby born in Mombasa, Kenya . . . a Kenyan. But Mom and Dad figure the baby would have a better chance as an American citizen, so they return to Hawaii, the mother’s home, rent a house, claim the baby was born outside of a hospital but in Honolulu, and obtain a birth certificate because the rules permit it. From what I’ve read that scenario is possible and is the reason the birthers’ arguments should be investigated. ”
This is what you all are so DELUSIONAL about. You can’t just come up with some plausible scenario and say “based on this plausible scenario, it should be investigated.” That is not how the legal system works. Instead, in the legal system that we actually do have and always had, the person making the ACCUSATION needs to provide EVIDENCE that his claims are actually true. My goodness, haven’t you people so much as even watched an episode of Law and Order? No one has been able to provide a shred of evidence that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. That is why the people pushing this story are so quick to resort to the “what is he hiding? Why can’t he just release the birth certificate? Since he refuses to release the birth certificate, which is an obvious and simple step and would answer all these questions, he must be guilty!” That is the classic tactic used to shift focus from the obvious fact that they have NO EVIDENCE to back up their claims. These folks have actually convinced a substantial portion of the population that a person should be required to release to the public information that is by law private and confidential just because someone asks for it and comes up with some COMPLETELY UNSUBSTANTIATED reason or excuse.
Look, even in a murder investigation, the police can’t just knock on your door and say “Hey, there was a murder next door, can we come in and search your house to see if you did it?” No, the police have to present HARD EVIDENCE to a JUDGE that you might have been involved and then issue a WARRANT. Amazing how so many so-called “law and order conservatives” are so ignorant as to how our legal system actually works.
By the way, the whole scenario that you are speaking of is ridiculous, anyway. First of all, why would Ann Dunham, who was an 18 year old college student in AMERICA have gone to Mombasa, Kenya anyway, especially after she learned that her “husband” was a polygamist, and his OTHER WIFE was in Mombasa? Second, if “Mom and Dad” didn’t need to commit IMMIGRATION FRAUD in order to give Obama the benefits of American citizenship. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS GET HIM NATURALIZED, AND AS THE INFANT SON OF AN AMERICAN MOTHER THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN LIKE FIVE MINUTES. It would have been more difficult for Ann Dunham to return to the states with a noncitizen infant in her possession (did the child Obama have a passport? If so, who issued it? Kenya?) that it would have been for her to get her child naturalized when she returned. So instead of getting the kid naturalized they decided to break immigration law? Why? So Obama could run for president one day? Because that is the only thing that a naturalized citizen can do that a natural born citizen can’t, which is run for President.
And the other speculation in comments above prove my original point. People are already saying “even if Obama was born in Hawai’i, that doesn’t automatically make him a citizen or a natural born citizen.” That proves that even if Obama does release his vault birth certificate the fight will continue. Folks will try to get him declared to be an illegal on other grounds (like the Indonesia thing) or claim that while he may be a citizen he still isn’t a natural born citizen. This is all driven by people who oppose Obama politically, and these people are never going to stop. That is why Obama shouldn’t release his birth certificate until a federal judge makes him, and when he does he should only show it to the federal judge. None of the LIARS who released that EDITED videotape of Obama’s grandmother and other nonsense like that should be allowed to get their grubby little paws on it. And incidentally, I notice how none of you even mentioned the edited videotape, proving that lots of the people in your little “movement” aren’t these principled high minded defenders of the Constitution as you claim. That is why they call you people “birthers” because of nonsense like that, and because of bigger nonsense like expecting someone to give up private information just because someone demands it (what do you want to see next, Obama’s credit report?), or that you think that someone is obliged to respond to charges for which they have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE FOR.
Again, anyone who has any actual evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, produce it. It doesn’t exist. If it did exist, those rabid Harriet Christian type Hillary Clinton PUMA fans would have produced it long ago. So would have the author connected to World Net Daily, who went to Kenya trying to track this story down and found nothing. (Well, he found plenty of dirt on corrupt Obama and his sinister family and was run out of the country by the Kenyan government – run by Obama’s cousin – but nothing on THIS story.)
So, now we either live in a country where people have to respond to charges made against them made without evidence, or folks like you wish that we did? Well, hey, you folks need to go join hands with Andrew Sullivan, who to this day claims that it hasn’t been proven that Sarah Palin isn’t the mother of her youngest child.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html
The smoking gun, according to Andrew Sullivan? SHE REFUSES TO RELEASE HER MEDICAL RECORDS! WHY DOESN’T SHE JUST RELEASE THE MEDICAL RECORDS AND ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS! How many of you “birthers” got behind – excuse me as this IS Andrew Sullivan we are talking about so I should say how many of you SUPPORTED – Andrew Sullivan? Or do you “birthers” only get involved in the political birth scandals for candidates that you oppose?
146, that’s what they want you to think. The Germans really attacked the Alamo. The Hawaiians mounted machine guns on their surf boards, and built paper-mache wings to look like German planes. And then they waited for a tsunami. They didn’t tell you about the great Pacific tsunami of Dec 7, 1941. They’re covering it up, man. There was like this major big monster quake in Australia, that they’re covering up. And that allowed the Hawaiians to ride their armed surfboards into the harbor, and it looked like they were attacking from the air.
And then they blamed it on the Germans, who were actually attacking the Alamo.
Whoa. My head hurts. I think they’re trying to mess with my head. Where’s my tin-foil bong – err – hat? Get out of my head! Hawaiians are reading my thoughts!
Whoah!!! The Hawaiians changed all the numbers!!!11 146 is now 152. See??? They’re doing it again!1!!
To 153. Gerald Ball
Its nice to weave blatant lies in with supposed “facts”. Obama has never filed his birth certificate with anyone. What obama has filed is his COLB(aka the doc that is pictured on fightthesmears). This doc is a completely legal doc that can be used in 90% of the time in place of a long form birth certificate… of course it can be legally altered to say just about anything. Which of course you “conveniently” leave out that little fact.
The FEC is hardly an expert on birth laws and in fact has zero relevance to the topic…the FEC has repeatedly allowed non-US citizens to run for president… another fact that you “conveniently” left out.
“The Hillary Clinton campaign did not,” Another half true at its best… ever hear of a person named berg… look it up.
You also make a hugely clear area in a statement like this “Had either campaign or had any other campaign on either side, Democrats or Republicans, challenged Obama’s birth certificate with the FEC,”
The democrats and republicans are 2 parties amoung many… THEY HAVE ZERO STANDING ON LEGAL AUTHORITY ON THE MATTER. Ppl like you believe that if a party “allows or approves” of something it should be legal… got news for you moron neither the dems or repubs are above the law or the constitution.
“That is not how the legal system works. Instead, in the legal system that we actually do have and always had, the person making the ACCUSATION needs to provide EVIDENCE that his claims are actually true.”
Lol once again massive ignorance of the law… the person “making the accusation” as you put it is obama. He says he’s a legal citizen HE MUST PROVE IT. This is not a criminal trial this is a CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT. Morons like you can’t seem to tell the difference between laws and trial and REQUIREMENTS.
If someone applies for a job they are required to prove they hold a degree in XXX… the employer doesn’t have to prove anything. Obama is trying to be US president is MUST provide PROOF if challenged(which he was been). The challenger only has to show that that the burden of proof haven’t been met… which it hasn’t since obama hasn’t released his birth cert and no court has review his birth cert.
“No one has been able to provide a shred of evidence that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.”
Another very blatant lie… obama’s own grandmother said he was born in kenyan along with other ppl. The correct statement should be
“No one has been able to provide a shred of evidence that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.”
Thats a true statement not 1 single legal doc has been released by hawaii saying obama was born there… NOT ONE.
“First of all, why would Ann Dunham, who was an 18 year old college student in AMERICA have gone to Mombasa, ”
Another lie where do you do your fact checking at? Factcheck.org? She was 17 when obama was born. You don’t even know how old obama mom was when she gave birth but yet you think you know something… don’t make me Fing laugh.
“That proves that even if Obama does release his vault birth certificate the fight will continue. Folks will try to get him declared to be an illegal on other grounds”
Yes and no… if obama releases his birth cert then everyone will call him illegal because it will be proof that he was indeed a brit and then kenyan citizen… WHICH MAKES HIM ILLEGAL. This is a classic propaganda strawman created by obama knob slobbers trying to paint anyone who wants the constitution followed as some kind of nut case… If obama releases his birth cert then anyone and everyone has LEGAL proof(something no one has right now) that yes indeed obama is an illegally being president. Your understanding of law is a joke.
As for palin guess what its not required constitutionally for her to release those records… unlike in the case for obama… but hey for ppl like you the constitution is just some outdated guidelines to be ignored when it suits your personal beliefs.
Feed your propaganda some where else its been posted here tons of times and been the posted have been slapped around for being completely retarded….
ROBOTECH MISTER
The FEC is hardly an expert on birth laws and in fact has zero relevance to the topic…
SO TRUE. THE FEC HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER ELECTIONS OR THE QUALIFICATIONS TO PARTICIPATE IN SAME. SHOW ME WHERE FEC IS MENTIONED IN CONSTITUTION – YOU CANNOT. FOR THAT MATTER HAWAII. SO THE FEC DOESN’T EXIST AND NEITHER DOES HAWAII.
A HAWAII COLB IS NOT EVIDENCE. WHAT AN OLD LADY SAYS IS EVIDENCE. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE.
RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TAITZ
To 157. Blarty Blarckleblart
Yeah their real experts blarty do you know how many non-us citizens have run for president? Probably not since to you the FEC like all government is god and never makes mistakes… or breaks the law on purpose.
OK, that was F’ing Funny!
And why has no one talked about Area 51 since its inception? There would be a lot of people involved, something should have leaked onto Wikipedia by now.
And that guy on the grassy knoll, somebody should have been able to find him by now.
And the real reason the ‘Birth’ Certificate is being hidden…… because he is a Robot from the Future.
toooooooooooooooooooooo funny :p
Obama could literally get away with murder right now so you are mental in your brain if you think this fake birth certificate shizzle will do any good ever. Drop it.
at last …here it is the long awaited birth cert.
http://www.pbase.com/opinion/image/115504379
This is ludicrous. Like all batty conspiracy theories, it founders on the sheer improbability of concealment. In this case a small army of bureaucrats in Hawaii, who, to a man and women, are risking their honour, their reputations and indeed their liberty by concealing a criminal fraud – for no good or apparent reason. What claptrap. Think Roswell. Or the likelihood that the World Trade Center (or the building next door) was carefully fitted up by teams of murderous demolition experts, while another team of people were somehow persuaded to kill themselves by flying the planes into the buildings, all organised by the (jewish?) team overseeing the whole scam. Actually it was Osama Bin Laden and his band of islamofascist psychpaths, grubs and nutjobs. But call me a dupe.
There must be hundreds of people in the Dept of Births Deaths and Marriages, or whatever it is, in Hawaii who could sneak, and doubtless have sneaked, a look at the relevant record, or indeed see whether it exists. The probability that they have have all kept silent in the face of a wicked fraud, or conspired, or have been prevailed upon to conspire – why? – to conceal it is in the same category. The idea that an army of real people with mortgages and kids in High School and friends up the street who come round for BBQs would act this way en masse comes from brain-softening as a result of watching too many idiotic Hollywood movies. Concentrate on the main game – making sure that this indifferent and economically downright dangerous chief executive is a one-termer.
robotech master:
You are proving yourself to be fundamentally dishonest. Obama has provided his COLB, a document that by your own admission is legally acceptable. It is you and people like you that allege that the COLB is fraudulent. You have to provide evidence that the COLB is fraudulent.
“Obama is trying to be US president is MUST provide PROOF if challenged(which he was been)”
Excuse me, he has already provided proof, which is the COLB. You have to prove that the information on the COLB is false. And no, he has not been formally challenged. That will not happen until a judge finds that these accusations have merit.
Also, you repeated the LIE promoted by the BIRTHERS that Obama’s grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. SHE DID NOT SAY THAT! IN THE FULL INTERVIEW, OBAMA’S GRANDMOTHER SAID THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAI’I! PEOPLE USING THAT INTERVIEW EDITED TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF SHE SAID THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA!
Now of course, you have to have read me say that because I mentioned it twice. But you chose to ignore it. Why? Because you are fundamentally dishonest. Do I want Obama to lift a finger to prove a thing to fundamentally dishonest people such as yourself? Of course not.
Look, according to your standards, people should be required to defend themselves from every theory or allegation that someone with an axe to grind or political motive throws at them. Why don’t you folks ask Obama to “prove” that he wasn’t involved in the World Trade Center Bombing? Never mind that you have no evidence whatsoever that he was involved. He still has to “prove” that he wasn’t. And of course, I am certain that you are very capable of producing some video of someone EDITED to make it appear this person is saying “yep, Obama involved!”
So, Obama has the COLB, he also has the Honolulu newspaper listing. Your side has an edited videotape and outright falsehoods such as the “there was a travel ban to Pakistan in 1981.” Your side has also failed to provide a single bit of actual proof, and has to resort to “what is he hiding?”
Also, Philip Berg is not affiliated with the Hillary Clinton campaign. The Pennsylvania resident was merely a Hillary Clinton supporter. Why did you try to pass him off as a Hillary Clinton campaign member? Oh that is right, because you are fundamentally dishonest. Because you said “obama’s own grandmother said he was born in kenyan”
Which is a lie. She actually said the opposite. Go ahead and admit that you were lying and that you are fundamentally dishonest, making you no better than Obama. By the way, I am not an Obama supporter. I believe that the fellow is evil. But you are showing me that you are no different. I quote:
“I’m posting on the appearance, though, because of something Liddy said during it: “You’ve got a deposition, which is a sworn statement, from the step-grandmother, who says, ‘I was present and saw him born in Mombasa, Kenya.’”
Liddy got this particular myth a little garbled, but it’s a favorite of the Birthers’. I’ve covered it before, but it’s worth posting on now, I think, because cable news is just getting back to this story (there was some coverage late last year, when the Supreme Court declined to hear one of the Birther lawsuits) and hosts like Matthews don’t know all the crazy twists of the conspiracy theory well enough to knock them down.
What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama’s grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president’s biological grandmother, but he calls her “Granny Sarah.”)
In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson’s birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. ”
Here is the full audio of the actual video.
http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma
Here is more from the article:
So some Birther sites have posted transcripts and YouTube clips that end abruptly with the mistranslation and don’t include the corrections. McRae, for his part, included the full translation in his affidavit — he thinks it’s all just part of the conspiracy. “Some few younger relatives, including [translator Vitalis Akech Ogombe],” McRae wrote in his court filing, “have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii.”
“Here’s the conversation:
MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.
MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.
OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.”
So, this is your “evidence” that Obama was born in Kenya? Typical. Fundamentally dishonest. You and Obama deserve each other, because you are both cut from the same cloth.
the dubious COLB …only shown to partisans of the Obuma.
just show the long form birth certificate already
…well here it is !
http://www.pbase.com/opinion/image/115504379
Frank, awesome article as always.
While I agree that Obama is a phony I do not think that the Indonesian citizenship argument is important as given in Lifson’s article. Many American women marry foreign men and then after having a child or more get divorced. There have been cases of men from Saudi Arabia or some other moslem country kidnapping a child and taking it the father’s homeland. If one of those children ever escapes and gets back to America the Customs and Border Protection Officer will say “Welcome home.” No foreign man or court has the power to remove US citizenship from a minor.
Of more concern to me would be if Obama choose as an adult to claim Indonesian citizenship so that he could travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport or claim a student loan or scholarship by claiming to be a foreign student. If either of those cases are true then that should eliminate his claim that he is a “Natural Born” citizen eligible for the office he occupies. Even in that case however he would remain a simple US citizen, eligible to serve in the Senate.
It is very hard to actually lose your US citizenship. Formally renouncing it before Federal magistrate or at an American Embassy is a deliberately cumbersome process. As a legal punishment it would only happen if you take up foreign citizenship and move overseas to avoid paying US taxes. In that case the former citizen is barred from ever reentering the United States. A treason conviction could include a loss of citizenship but rarely does even when that law is prosecuted, which is in itself infrequent.
If Obama failed to register for Selective Service then that should be an indictable act but given his present position there is no way to charge him. If there was a Republican Governor and Republican Attorney General in Illinois then it might be possible for them to charge him with violating a state statute by failing to register for the Militia while a citizen of Illinois.
People are persistently mischaracterizing the meaning of “Natural Born.” If born on US soil, under the Sun in jus soli, then the parents do not have to be citizens. President Chester Alan Arthur had a father who was not a US citizen.
This manufactured controversy is caused by Obama’s refusal to release documents that are in his power to provide. He does so to enable his supporters to ridicule those demanding them. The documents themselves could be completely innocuous. This is the Democratic Patry’s revenge for the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry who refused to authorize the release of his military records.
ROBOTOCK MISTER
WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE. WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH. WE ALL KNOW OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA BUT ORLY TAITZ WILL NOT PUT THE MATTER TO REST BY RELEASING THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THE FEC IS AS YOU SAY MEANINGLESS THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER ELECTIONS AND THEIR OPINION DOESN’T MATTER ONLY THE OPINION OF US. THEY ARE NOT BIRTH CERTIFICATE EXPERTS LIKE US ARE.
RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TAITZ
..this is a test: vivo and the other trolls here are consummate dummies.
To 163. Gerald Ball
Its nice to see your still using propaganda to deflect facts.
Fact the COLB can legally be altered thus doesn’t prove place of birth period… so even if the fakecheck COLB is legit its not legally valid for the purpose of proving place of birth.
Fact ppl who argue that he must “defend himself from every theory” is another propaganda tool… its a constitutional REQUIREMENT. It is the citizens who are defending the constitution and obama who wants everyone to take his word for it because he said so.
The simple fact is your grasping at straws to create a story that fits your agenda all the while doing everything you can to prevent the facts from coming out…. the “facts” that you use can be twisted anyway you wish… a classic being the whole “newspaper” BS. The newspaper is a classic strawman created by propagandist tools. The newspaper has zero legal standing of anything and any moron knows it. The fact that ppl are even using the argument that a birth announcement is somehow legally proof of anything just shows how weak and pathetic your case is.
To 163. Gerald Ball
Its nice to see your still using propaganda to deflect facts.
Fact the COLB can legally be altered thus doesn’t prove place of birth period… so even if the fakecheck COLB is legit its not legally valid for the purpose of proving place of birth.
Fact ppl who argue that he must “defend himself from every theory” is another propaganda tool… its a constitutional REQUIREMENT. It is the citizens who are defending the constitution and obama who wants everyone to take his word for it because he said so.
The simple fact is your grasping at straws to create a story that fits your agenda all the while doing everything you can to prevent the facts from coming out…. the “facts” that you use can be twisted anyway you wish… a classic being the whole “newspaper” BS. The newspaper is a classic strawman created by propagandist tools. The newspaper has zero legal standing of anything and any moron knows it. The fact that ppl are even using the argument that a birth announcement is somehow legally proof of anything just shows how weak and pathetic your case is.
TO: All
RE: Blarty Boy’s ‘Drug’ Issue, Manifested….
We’re talk’n SERIOUS problems with regards to Blarty’s perception of ‘logic’.
This line is manifestation of that.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
TO: FOUR-LEAF PELTO
RE: LOGIC
WHY DO YOU DENY THAT TAITZ COULD MAKE THIS WHOLE THING GO AWAY BY PRODUCING THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON. I AM ON THE CONSTITUTION’S SIDE AND THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT SOTERO MUST SHOW HIS LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL DO. WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE TRUTH. ARE YOU ONE OF THEM.
REGARDS,
BLARTY BLARCKLEBLART
[THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE]
[I WANT TO BELIEVE]
[RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TAITZ]
TO: Blarty Boy
RE: Heh
Show US the birth certificate!
It’s REALLY so VERY ‘simple’.
Why are you so incapable?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....despite the efforts of idiot like Steve Benen at 'Political Analyst'.....]
TO: Blarty Boy
RE: Liar
Tell US which units of the United States Armed Forces you served in. Go on….
…and in which capacities….please specify MOS….and duty title….
….I’ll not hold my breath…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
Gee, Frank! People are being rather scathing here, aren’t they?
I, for one, enjoyed the article. Maybe this’ll settle some people about the whole issue. After all, if it was proven somehow that Obama isn’t a natural born citizen, what good will that do? Are they gonna kick him out of office? Not likely. And if they did, we’d have Biden. Is that really much better?
People need to turn their attentions to more important matters regarding the incompetence of Obama and his administration rather than focusing on his birthplace.
Breaking news!
The British Secret Service has determined that President Obama’s birth certificate was originated in another galaxy. Astronomers and scientists have detected a massive movement in space resembling thousands of flying objects approaching the Earth. Calculations assume that they will arrive on December 25th 2009. They tried to share this news with the media, but nobody would believe them. They know that a large segment of the American public will be more understanding.
Good job Frank.
Riddle me this, oh apologists for “the one”, if my son had to have a certified copy of his birth CERTIFICATE to join the military, my children had to have one to enter school, I had to provide one to finish college and my spouse (who was laid off after 18 years in his job) had to provide one to his new employer…….why a candidate for the presidency of the Unite States does not have to provide one to prove his citizenship?
Is he above the law? Are Demoncrats above the law? Are minorities above the law?
I’d just like to know what the rules are. It’s hard to play fair when you don’t know the rules.
To those of you who have not lost your minds to ‘Birtherism’, notice how it is a waste of time arguing reason and facts with the Birther brigade, same with 9-11 conspiracy theorists – they will believe what they want – facts be damned.
Gerald Ball has done an excellent job demolishing the Birther conspiracy crap for the nonsense that it is – yet the Birthers ignore what he wrote (because they can’t refute it of course) and continue repeating their unfounded unproven allegations as if they were self-evident truths. Notice how they ignore the FACTS re the Sarah Obama interview with McRae that Ball provided. Well they have to, don’t they, in order to keep their conspiracy drivel going.
To 178. Larry
No gerlad ball is using classic propaganda tricks to fool stupid ppl info believing he can pull a quarter out of someone’s ear… its classic slight of hand.
As for Blarty Blarckleblart seem orly has posted obama kenyan birth cert… and its alot more real looking then his COLB.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kenya-bc.jpg
ANONYMOUS
SITE YOU LINK IS ATTACK SITE. BLOCKED. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF.
RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TAITZ
TO: FOUR-LEAF PELTO
RE: ARMED FORCES
WHAT DOES THE MILITARY HAVE TO DO WITH SOTERO’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE MILITARY IS COVERING UP THE TRUTH ABOUT SOTERO’S BIRTH??!?!?? WE’RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE SHEEPLE
REGARDS,
BLARTY BLARCKLEBLART
[THR TRUTH IS OUT THERE]
[RELEASE THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TAITZ]
google has effectively banned that site use this one
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate
I’m not a “birther” but I am extremely interested to discover why Obama seems so obsessed with obscuring virtually all records of his pre-public-office past….”
I’ll tell you why you will never see the document(s), because all you Birthers have no say in the matter. Not one of you “counts”. Do you all get that? Your need to see this has no bearing on him now, he’s the President and that’s that. Suck it up, Birthers!
A friend of mine is half-black, half-Japanese. Every Decemeber 7th he attacks Pearl Bailey.
Wow Frank. That was not really comedy at all. What was that I just read? Umm. All I know is that I am more ignorant now because I read that post. Awful dude.
Abercrombie, a newly-elected Democrat, told CNN that he will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii. Whatever it takes, uh huh, whatever that means.
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