Birthers Appear Unimpressed with Obama Birth Certificate
The release of President Obama’s so-called “long form” birth certificate may convince a lot of straddlers on the issue that indeed, the president is eligible to be, well, president. But the surprise release by the White House of a document that conclusively proves that the president of the United States was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 PM local time isn’t satisfying those whose standards of proof lie in the ethereal world of religious revelation rather than the more mundane plane of existence where facts and logic dominate.
For the true-blue, dyed-in-the-wool, never-say-never birthers, the only thing that will apparently convince them of the provenance of Obama’s birth is a document that tells them exactly what they believe — that the president wasn’t born here and is therefore ineligible to hold office. Any evidence to the contrary is dismissed as fake or forged, or is simply ignored as not worthy of their attention.
To wit: When confronted with irrefutable proof that you have been wrong all along, concentrate on minutiae that, at least in your own mind, can keep the theory alive. Here’s a comment from Roger L. Simon’s “Teachable Moment” post on the Tatler:
A color copy, and everyone uses black ink to sign their name? 90% of pens in the world are blue.
This is an obvious forgery.
It is sad and pathetic, yes. After having gone through several hundred comments on sites ranging from Hot Air to Newsbusters, the only conclusion I can draw is the astonishing fact that not one single birther admits to error. I would hope that there are some birthers who have seen the light and are too embarrassed or depressed to comment about it. But those that took the trouble either searched valiantly for the kind of detail our friend above found, or speculated about ways the certificate of live birth could have been forged:
Witness Protection forges documents all the time. Whose [sic] to day [sic] this is not one? Same for CIA. BUT – the big question is why hide it?
The answer to that question was given by White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer:
Earlier Wednesday, White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said the debate has been “really bad for the Republican Party.”
The so-called “birther” debate is “good politics” but “bad for the country,” said Pfeiffer.
With 75% of the country believing that President Obama was either definitely or probably born in America, and 45% of Republicans believing the opposite, the White House didn’t have to lift a finger to “prove” anything. The GOP was doing a bang-up job of making themselves look like paranoid nutcases without any help. The old political adage that states “Never get in the way of your opponent when they are self-destructing” applied here.
No doubt it was Donald Trump who forced the issue. Trump, with his genius for self-promotion, was sucking all of the oxygen out of the room with his birther challenges, pushing Obama’s demagoging the Ryan budget off the front pages and making it harder to demonize the GOP as killers of your gramma. Now that the cat is out of the bag, Trump has become a mouse. He pointedly told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that what the White House released was “missing.” No doubt there were a few smiles in the White House when the news hit the nets about the “missing” birth certificate being “found.”
Trump tried to make the best of an embarrassing situation. He told a New Hampshire crowd he was “very proud of myself, because I’ve accomplished something that nobody else was able to accomplish.” Oh, I don’t know, Donald. Lots of people are perfectly capable of making spectacular asses of themselves.
I thought the point was not where he was born, but the fact that his father was not a US citizen, and his mother was under age, and otherwise not a US citizen, either……? or not??
Tom your 100 percent right!! so what if he was born in the US, he is still unqualified to hold the Office of President because he is not a “Natural Born Citizen” as the Constitution says in Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5, this is just the proof everyone should be looking at…a natural born citizen is both parents are born in the US, therefor he should be impeached and tired for treason.
Oh come on…Honestly, get a life.
OPRAH “so full of herself” believes he media whore we call president. What other endorsement do you want..honestly
Only one parent has to be a U.S. Citizen.. that makes the child a natural born citizen.. don’t mis-quote the constitution to fit your racist agenda.. you do have a voice and it’s crazy that you and people that think like you will get him re-elected.. His mother was not under age she was 18..
As bad as you don’t want hime to be president.. he will be here another 4 years.. try to talk policy.. this point is null and void.. so what’s next?
lol.. you guys still don’t like white women to date black guys..
This is what Articale 2 PRGH 5 says
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
It says nothing about both parents being U.S. citizens.. The word parent is nowhere in the Article.. so you again are making things up..
Parent has nothing to do with it.. he was naturally born.. meaning birth from a woman, and born on U.S. soil.. point blank, parent has nothing to do with it..
You come with a Aha moment, that is stupid then you quote the constitution and you are wrong on your interpretation.. Do you understand reading comprehension.. Meaning do you comprehend what you are reading?
It say a natural born citizen.. and here’s the KICKER or U.S. Citizen..
STOP MAKING THINGS UP!!
Very Shakesperean: I remember from 9th grade reading Julius Caesar: “No man born of woman…”. So we’ve come to that? These birthers need to stop hyperventilating.
Not even Hawaii allows for “copies” for documents – originals ONLY.
A COPY can not be used for forensic evidence to be evaluated for its authenticity.
ONLY an original can receive forensic evidence for authenticity.
Now that Trump has Obama releasing information on “alleged original Birth Certificate” IT CANNOT BE AUTHENTICATED BECAUSE IT IS A COPY…….. AND again it’s just the doctoring up of the COLB submitted by Obama’s grandmother who also was a volunteer in Social Security Office of Hawaii.
Obama and his lawyers KNOW authenticity can not be performed on a COPY.
“O’s” lawyers attempt to “quite the natives” gives more “feed to the propaganda media” for the OBFUSCATION of evidence for authenticity. In other words THEY become enablers for “Obstruction of Justice for Evidence”.
Obama’s mother’s PASSPORT information showing her whereabouts [what country] in 1961 were purged.
Obama’s mother [Ann Dunham Obama] RENEWAL APPLICATION FOR PASSPORT is here:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/120/319/BREAKING:_Stanley_Ann_Dunham_Obama_Soetoro-_Passport_Records_Released_Under_FOIA,_Earliest_Passport_Application_No_Longer_Exists,_Got_Purged.html
Isn’t it curious with al the SEALED documents by Obama lawyers that they also had his mother’s ORIGINAL Passport information PURGED?
So Hawaii ‘FOUND” the BC which the Govenor told us only last month could NOT be found. What a surprise and what a surprise that it too looks as fake and cobbled together as the COLB did too. So now we are waiting for all the OTHER Documents the Transparent One is still HIDING you know the
Occidental College records
Columbia College records
Columbia Thesis paper
Harvard College records
Selective Service Registration
Medical records
Illinois State Senate records
Illinois State Senate schedule
Law practice client list
Harvard Law Review articles that were published
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Record of baptism
BTW what BC did he use to get his passport, Driving License, College Registration, Bar Registration etc etc etc all done BEFORE the Fake COLB was issued in 2008. Think its over Moonbats THINK AGAIN.
The Democratic Parties Candidate selection committee needs to be investigated and they need to answer this question. Upon what DOCUMENTARY evidence did you vet the” Affirmative Action Kid the ANCHOR BABY” the son of a trollop and an Undesirable mooching Alien??? I would like to know what BC they saw regarding Obambi as the COLB was not released until 2008 and his long form BC has only just been released in April 2011. So come on Democrats and Obambi loving moonbats tell us what PROOF Obambi proffered regarding his birth??? I mean you did check his eligibility didn’t you so tell us what BC he presented???
There’s a poll yesterday that claimed that only 38% of Americans believed he was born in the US and now he finally releases the long-form birth certificate. What was he up to all this time? I contend that he was trying to bait people and gin up charges of “racists!” against his fellow Americans in order to gain politically by this (sort of like a self-priming pump or self-licking ice cream cone). What does this say about this man-child’s character?!
Some believe that the birth certificate is a red herring and he is willing to give up on that so that he doesn’t have to release other probably indicting records revealing his grades and how he financed his expensive indoctrination.
The whole thing reached critical mass when the level of suspicion matched the amount of anti- or non-Americaness that Obama exhibits. In other words, actions supported circumstantial evidence.
So, let’s keep it up and see all the other hidden documents that will shed light on him! Once we get through those we can concentrate only on the anti-/non-American aspects of his constantly failing policies at home and abroad.
Aw, poor Obama. Had to release his birth certificate.
That just PROVES what meanies those birthers are.
Exactly. Obama must now be moved from an “above-the-fray” passive position to an active one and be held accountable for this. Here’s the question that someone needs to ask him now:
“Mr. President, did you refuse to release your long-form birth certificate because you were intentionally ginning up curiosity so that you could gain political traction by labeling anyone who wondered about your deliberately concealed past as an ignorant racist? Are you doing the same about all your other sealed documents or do you have something to hide?”
The birth certificate may have been a ploy to cover up something in the latter stack of hidden papers.
“The birth certificate may have been a ploy to cover up something in the latter stack of hidden papers.”
Exactly! Such as: WHY is he using the assumed SS # of a man born in CT in 1890, who died in Hawaii?
Silly things like felonies by Presidents..don’t matter to the media today.
At least if you are the first “black” President…
“above the fray” indeed!
What makes this PDF image “irrefutable?”
I started out (2008) being willing to accept Obama’s status as natural born, and treated the kerfuffle over his birth certificate as a small matter that would eventually blow over. But from then to now, Obama and his protectors have done everything imaginable to prevent that document from being exposed to the public — a degree of deference no Republican would have enjoyed. More, anyone who’s expressed even the mildest sentiment in favor of showing the BLEEP!ing thing and ending the controversy has been treated by the Old Media as the next best thing to a would-be assassin.
Combine all of that with Obama’s secretiveness about virtually every other aspect of his past. By concealing so much, he himself has provided us with reasons to be suspicious of his antecedents. Why hide something that’s in no way detrimental to you, when other high officials routinely disclose everything on request?
Is this another “Killian Memo” moment? I’d like to believe that it isn’t — but I’m not going to assume anything because of a PDF image posted on a website. Not when the fellow who “owns” the website has Obama’s record for dissimulation and deceit.
Birther or not, it’s the authenticity of the document that needs to be validated.
As discussed on the Smoking Gun in the comments section, regular Adobe users tell that the document deconstructs when basic editing and storing functions were initiated. If this was a full copy made in a single pass of Adobe or Foxit, it would be stored as a single document, not in layers as the Adobe users discovered and posted on “the smoking gun”. Take a look, then make the determination if this is an authentic document.
And, of course, we’ve not heard from Hawaii, where they were emphatic that copies were not allowed.
This seems like a significant point. I find it more interesting than whether the marxist was born in the US or not, since I think SCOTUS would rule he is a citizen by virtue of his American mother and being raised primarily in the US, even if he had been born outside the US.
But I would be interested to know why a copy of document would have the characteristics noted. Perhaps there is a very reasonable explanation. I’d like to hear it.
Someone at NRO says that the layers are normal when images are trasnferred to pdf format and that they were able to create similar one with a standard process. Commenters are questioning the finding, of course, but it seems that there is a reasonable explanation for the layer issue.
Not sure of the NRO response, but a layered doc doesn’t create itself. Have talked to a Adobe pro-user and he said it tells you it was creted by bringing separate pieces together to create the final doc. Any other experts out there?
Then, i just looked at the copy of my son’s BC that we got multiple copies made for military purposes, and is has a county and state seal on the face of the doc. There are no seals on this doc, which makes it more suspect. But, I admit I don’t know what Hawaii does, but I’d think it was uniform for document purposes as a BC has to be submitted for a passport and no fake docs allowed there.
Proreason….You know what GWB’s response was when it was demanded of him to release his birth certificate to the public….Clintons was much the same!
http://www.cleavelin.net/archives001/082505bush.jpg
The country had a clue about who Dubya was, since he and his family had been in the public eye for decades.
Bubba had been a governor for several terms.
Comparing either of them to little lenin is ridiculous.
btw, I’m not a birther. Not only do I think he was born in Hawaii, I don’t care if he wasn’t. He was raised as an American, and that is what SCOTUS would rule.
But he’s also a marsist and a profession liar and revolutionary. People who make excuses for him amaze me.
There is no reason to accept the word of any politician born of popularity and the media, for which no formal challenge is recognized. The president of the United States is the peoples’ employee and like any employee, there should be a clear and profound resume. Obfuscation is not supposed to be on the road to transparency.
The president of the United States is the peoples’ employee and like any employee, there should be a clear and profound resume.
Absolutely. He is a public figure. ALL his records need to be on public display for all to see.
Yes! ALL of those passport, schooll records, applications for government assistance, transcripts, etc. He spent two million dollars hiding all of them and only now has released but one of them. Obviously he is hiding something important. Suck it up, Opunko, and for once in your life, tell the truth!
Knowing Oscambo to be a pathological liar, lets have the original produced; not just a copy his lawywer claims to be authentic.
And, Moran, were you on trial, your attorney would never permit such a document to be entered into evidence against you. It is not “best evidence”.
You are missing the point Rick;
“Why going through all the trouble hiding the Birth Certificate in the first place?”
WHY?
Why spend millions of dollars hiding records?
Andy, you ask why?Because Rick says so, that ‘s why, and we have to assume that no chicanery was involved.In fact, we all have to sit and be quiet like good little children and believe that the Commander-in-Chief of the free world was just playing possum with ‘birthers’ all along,sort of like yanking their chains.Now it’s off to the more essential people’s business at hand, after all Oprah’s calling….
Please, it is not as if documents haven’t just appeared out of thin air before this.Will Rick have us believe that US spook agencies NEVER forged documents?What is he smoking?The spooks utilize forged documents as easily as Rick gets up in the morning.In Israel, everyone who is not in a coma knows that forgery is on top of the Mossad’s bag of tricks-and thank heavens for that!
So, spare us the sanctimony, Rick.Trust BUT verify!!
exactly
that important business of the country: oprah in chicago then off to new york for a few fundraisers
those damn birthers
interrupting the life of obama
what nerve
Lol, you rightwingers. While you all discuss his birthcertificate, he slipped General Petraeus into the top-slot of CIA. Means the DoD is now running US intel.
Uh, yea, o.k…. May I remind you that things like this haven’t helped:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs
But it was a game all along, now wasn’t it? Commie Agitprop.
Why is that a problem? And why would Obama camouflage it. That is the best thing that has happened to the CIA since the creation of the DNI position. The era of CIA as a state inside the state is finally over.
What we really need is an emasculated CIA?
we have understood for a long time that the libs promote incompetence
Lol, you rightwingers. While you all discuss his birthcertificate, he slipped General Petraeus into the top-slot of CIA. Means the DoD is now running US intel.
LOL! You leftwingers. The nomination has to pass committee first. In Petraeus’ case, that means Barabara Boxer (D), which is about as left wing as you can get.
LOL! You leftwingers. The nomination has to pass committee first. In Petraeus’ case, that means Barabara Boxer (D), which is about as left wing as you can get.
That’s Senator Boxer! Please, we all know how hard she worked to get into that position!
["....isn’t satisfying those whose standards of proof lie in the ethereal world of religious revelation rather than the more mundane plane of existence where facts and logic dominate."]
Of course not! The void of rational logic and reasoning makes for a very, very healthy living for one particular profession. There are people who claim a ‘personal’ handshake and hugs relationship with Jesus while others claim they are Jesus, and both seem to find a following.
The world must be shaking their heads not sure whether to cry or rejoice at what so many Americans have become.
I don’t see a raised seal.
Since when do states handle requests for certified copies of a birth certificate. You go to the COUNTY you were born in, not the state.
Why is it curved?
First ever presser for ben bernake of the fed = another fake certificate red herring
Oh, please. My son was born on April 1, and I just got his Iowa birth certificate. It is issued by the state Department of Public Health, not the county. There is no raised seal. There is no signature of the doctor. There’s a stamped (not handwritten) signature of the Deputy State Registrar, who is apparently named Jill L. France.
Guess this means my kid better not aspire to be president.
Yo Rickster, am I to assume Obama’s passport records, kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records and schedules, medical records will be released ‘any day now’ too?
You know, for a dude whose battle cry in ’08 was, ‘transparency’, Obama’s got the stones to speak of, ‘..silliness’ regarding this document?
Honestly, Rick. There are FAR BETTER people for you to be the useful idiot for than ‘Present’ Obama.
-Independent who didn’t drink the kool-aid
Indeed.
“We don’t have TIME for ths silliness.”
But I guess we had time for Obama’s silliness in 2008 and 2009 and 2010?
One and Done…game over, buck-o GTFO!
Personally, I never thought he was born elsewhere. My guess is that he deep-sixed everything to avoid releasing his college and law school records. Why? Because I’ll bet that our president’s grades were mediocre at best and that would undercut the myth of his brilliance and intellectual prowess. Remember when Kerry was running against Bush, and Kerry was being described as so intelligent and Bush as so stupid? But it turned out that (horrors!) Kerry’s grades were no better than George Bush’s. And yes, both of them released there records. As did John McCain.
it’s not like obama ever studied free market principles or originalist intent in the constitution in universities
obama studied under marxists, commies, and thugs where i’m sure he was near the top of the class
year one introduction to saul alinsky—– A
year two keynesian economics—— B+
year three living and breathing constitution—– A-
year four community organizing: the chicago way—– A+
you get the point
Mr. Moran:
“The birther issue has been a sideshow that the White House has welcomed with great relief. Ironic, isn’t it? The birthers have been assisting their enemy all along while discrediting those whose criticisms might actually accomplish what they thought their delusional scribblings were doing: discrediting the man and the politician who is Barack Obama — American citizen.”
Ummm, hardly. The Birther issue was only a sideshow to people like you who believed what the White House TOLD you about the issue without question.
Any discredit from this has been upon Mr. Obama, for his refusal to release the document that he did today.
Far from setling the issue, this now raises an even thornier problem for you O-bots:
WHY was he not forthcoming with this document back when Hillary Clinton’s campaign first asked that it be released?
What is in this document that was so damaging that Obama went to great lengths and expended no small amount of money to keep it sealed?
Answer THAT, Obama-lover!
(Oh that’s right…you don’t answer questions, do you? And YOU’VE never seen this document before today…which answers what I asked you on your last PJM piece.)
Was he just playing a game with the American people?
Well news flash-for you and for Mr. Obama….Game OVER, ace!
One and Done…write that in stone.
And as for this document that was released today, after almost three years of Obama’s “bemusement” and “puzzlement” whilie he jerked the nation around, the skeptics have every right and duty to doubt each and every aspect of what Obama has released.
yes
I am okay with this. I leave it to others to decide if this is the real thing or not. I lack the skills to make that determination, or even the computer savvy to understand the discussion. I just wanted him to comply with the requirements and prove his citizenship.
This should never have come up as an issue, but it did because of his recalcitrance on the issue. It is just another way of dividing us. He is such a jackass.
Marc…its always been, for over a 100 years, the socialists strategy to divide the nation ideologically and….. their opposing parties. Factions of the GOP always seem to be obliging whether in silly conspiracies or legislative compromise.
Tis the coming season for more strategy and games!
Only a slight disagreement Marc. “This should never have come up as an issue, but it did because of his recalcitrance on the issue.”
More than his recalcitrance on the issue it was the fact that his enablers, the main stream media whores have refused and continue to refuse to do their job.
There was a reason it was withheld from the beginning, there’s a reason it was supposedly released today. The man lacks any sort of character in the first place and at least one person has gone to prison asking to see this very document. Lucky for us Obama has backed himself in a corner again. Like his presidency this still is not a positive except for Trumps bragging rights. This group just doesn’t realize we are way too smart for their bulls… any more.
Remember Dan Rather and Dubya’s reserve records written in the 70′s using Microsoft Word?
As for the certificate, I’ll bet any 13 year old can make one too. Smoking Gun lists a few inconsistencies, as does Drudge. His African grandmother is on record, incidentally, as stating she was present at his birth in Kenya. Barry Soetero changed his own name into Barack H. Obama, so why is it listed on the cert under ‘child?’
How does religion come into play with upholding constitutional (birth qualification)requirements for office?
“For false Christs and false Prophets shall arise…” Seem to me that there are a few of those around, and most of them are left-wing, usually Democrat. Including the president, with the fainting faithful at the Greek column big tent revival of 08. False prophets? Okay, I’ll bite.
I nominate Al Gore.
A fun game to play is to see how many debunked fallacies a birther can cram into a single post. Here’s a handy reference for those playing at home:
- Obama travelled to Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport because there was a US travel ban
- Maya Soetero has a Hawaiian COLB
- The internet Kenyan BC with the footprint is his real birth certificate
- Obama’s paternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya
- Indonesia only allows citizens to attend their schools
- Michelle said he was born in Kenya
- Obama spent $2 million to prevent the BC from being released
- His Kenyan father disqualifies him from being Natural Born
- His real father was commie Frank Marshall Davis
But my new favorite is the one where birthers have suddenly become elite computer hackers who cleverly opened a PDF document in Adobe Illustrator and discovered the wonders of modern software OCR capabilities.
With great minds like these at work, Obama will be sleeping soundly at night. In the White House. Until 2016.
Well at least we now know it wasn’t a ‘Virgin Birth’.
I was never a birther and always considered this to be a kinda silly discussion, yet it is Obama who brought the whole thing upon himself. I’m with Francis W Porretto (4) in this one. Moreover, if the effing pdf is layered, as reported above, it may well be fake and then the whole mess goes to a new dimension… I think it will backfire on Obama.
The Obamas’ Easter
Demonstrating to the world one mo’ time that he is not a Muslim but rather a devout Christian, Obama and family joined the flock at the predominantly black Shiloh Baptist Church in Northwest Washington for Easter morning services.
His attendance at Shiloh was something of a surprise since he hadn’t bothered to issue an Easter proclamation. He may have felt he had that base covered in view of the White House prayer breakfast he hosted last Tuesday although he had made certain to issue proclamations in recognition of Earth Day, Hannukah, and every major Muslim religious holiday including Ramadan, Eid-al-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-al-Adha.
Oh, well, he did permit a White House Easter egg roll which must count for something. Christians have learned to thank God for small blessings from this Christian president.
Unfortunately, the service at Shiloh wasn’t filmed or recorded, unfortunate because Shiloh’s pastor, Wallace Smith, is a racial agitator and it would have been informative to hear his Easter sermon.
Last year he opined, “When you look at what’s going on, it may not be Jim Crow anymore. Now Jim Crow wears blue pinstripes, . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=4244)
What about the new governor of Hawaii, who said he looked all over and could not find Obama’s birth documents, just a note in the archive that he was born? And, wasn’t there something in his book (or an article?) where he said his mother left a note with the birth certificate, because there was something on it that needed to be explained?
As for him releasing a document now, I think it had something to do with Jerome Corsi’s book coming out next week with the title “Where’s the Birth Certificate.”
The reason you can never convince a conspiracy theorist of the weakness of his case is his double standard of evidence: No evidence required for what he wants to believe, impossible standards of certainty for what he doesn’t. This is why no amount of evidence is sufficient to convince a JFK conspiracy buff that Oswald assassinated Kennedy all by himself or convince a flying saucer believer that we aren’t being visited by extra-terrestrials. The idea that he’s one of the few who knows the truth is too flattering to resist. The birthers will go to their graves proud that they know with mathematical certainty that Obama was born in Kenya.
Jack – Have you ever seen the Zapruder film of JFK’s cranium blowing backwards accross the trunk of the limo w/Jaquline reaching backwards to grab it? Have you ever shot anything and if so did the flesh and blood of said impact come flying back at you?
Methinks the laddy doth protest too much; Obama, and Moran as well.
As Nixon found out the hard way, it is the crime, not the cover-up
which does the real damage, and equating Republicans to Birthers is
part of the cover-up.
I think you meant it is the “cover-up, not the crime”, but point taken…
There is much more that Obama is “covering up” than this “bone” he threw is addressing…such as:
-Did he receive Indonesian citizenship when Lolo Soetoro adopted him and enrolled him in school there? The laws there state he would have to!
-Did he use that to gain “foreign-student” aid for college?
-Why is he currently using the “assumed” Social Security # of a man who was born in Connetticut (where it was issued) in 1890 and who died in Hawaii with no heirs, since the late ’70s when Barack was 18 or 19 years old and had to register for the Selective Service? A felony, btw.
Oh, silly me…the birther issue has been settled…never mind.
PARDON if this has been mentioned above; I got home late.
This link may add additional info to those interested:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094
THIS TOPIC ISN’T GOING AWAY. Multiple layers of manipulation?
This demonstrates at a minimum willful deception by the President by providing this “document”.
FORGET “Red is the new Black.” MORAN IS THE NEW NAVARRETTE.
Redundant, redundant, redundant. It’s the gas prices, stupid. Oh and inflation, and the debt, and Libya and losing the war he said was the important one in Afganistan. And using taxpayer dollars to pay off his supporters and……..
Don’t forget Pharaoh Hussein’s TWO visits to the governess of Hawai`i – what were they plotting?
Why has no one questioned why the candidate and then president had to travel to Hawa’ii TWO times in one year and meet with the looney lefty governess?
No doubt they conspired together to hide and falsify.
Why can’t we be patient and proceed through a standard forensic analysis? Obviously, the signature raises questions. Why did the person sign “Ann Dunham Obama” and then pencil in “Stanley?” Would this be normal for Ms. Dunham? Did she go by Ann?
The real question is why no person has come forward as a witness to the birth. After all, any person with credibility who came forward would become wealthy immediately. Obama is our first president to have no living witnesses of his birth.
Every person with close and direct knowledge of obama’s youth is dead; both grandparents, father, mother, stepmother, mentor. He has a half sister, but Obama is 9 years older, and they didn’t live under the same roof when she was old enough to remember anything. Yet obama was only 47 when the last one died (his grandmother) and she never once was allowed to talk to a reporter. The odds against that for a person born in 1961 are probably several hundreds to one. And very convenient odds they were for little lenin.
It would be a shocking surpise if the people who signed this certificate are alive.
Bush had something to do with it . . .?
I see his name, I see his mother’s name, but where is his father’s name, and is his father a British subject?
Isn’t that the real issue?
would be his father’s, if it said “Jr.” But with “II” – his father could be anybody.
Okay, I give up. How does the document, which is an abstract of Obama’s original registration of birth documentation, conclusively prove anything? The only new information it provides is the name of the delivery hospital and the unnotarized signature of a physician, who has been dead for five years?
Was this doctor Oama’s delivery doctor? Was he Obama’s mother primary care physican during her pregnancy? Are his records available and can any payment invoices received from Obama’s mother be located?
Now that Obama has published this abstract, will the deliver hospital publish it’s records?
It’s important to remember why we birthers were calling for his long-form birth certificate in the first place, to establish — conclusively prove Barack Obama was born a U.S. Citizen.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Funny thing about that physician on the birth certificate:
Snopes.com, long known for trying to debunk the birther story, put a link today at the bottom of a page for a copy of the new birth certificate, but did not bother to change the other “facts” they had gathered from an “eye-witness” over time, who states the attending physician was a “Dr. Rodney T. West”, because he “remembered” a girl giving birth named “Stanley”. Cute story…
Problem is…Obama’s birth certificate is signed by a “David Sinclair”.
Oops! Love that “fact” gathering snopes! See it here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
“the only conclusion I can draw is the astonishing fact that not one single birther admits to error.”
Ah, you know every single birther by name? Who is the extremist lunatic, you, the person with nothing better in life than to track down and know by heart every person who questions, where is the birth certificate or the person who asked where the birth certificate is? You see, we are a nation of laws, and the supreme law of the Land is the Constitution of the United States of America, which states that the president has to be a natural born citizen. There are ways to prove your natural born status, and the one that is easiest to obtain and has the most credibility is the birth certificate. Considering the fact that Obama refused to release any documentation about his life what so ever, demanding to see the birth certificate seems an extremely sane thing to do. Our nations survival in fact does stand on this issue, because if Obama does not have to prove his natural born status, then no other future potential president will either, and that takes us right to the point of an illegitimate government where the citizens have no longer given its consent to be governed. The Constitution of the United States of America is the consent form. We have consented to be governed according to what is in it. If the government no longer governs with in the boundaries of this document, then the government is illegitimate and we become a nation of men and not law.
People like you who think ridiculing others is the epitome of grandeur are pathetic little people that are better off hanging around people more like themselves, such as move-on.org. Go away loser.
that is it . the progressives have undermined the constitution to the point it may soon be irrelevant.
…maybe it already is. the republicans don’t seem to want to fight
So him taking two years to come up with something is due to gross incompetence or something else? That’s the real question here – why the delay? It served no useful purpose. Now let’s see his academic records.
Rick Moran: Mark me down as another person for whom Obama’s birth certificate is not a burning issue, but I can understand the concern other Americans might feel, given Obama’s history of secrecy, evasion and deceit coupled with other recent fabrications from the left: the Rathergate memos smearing President Bush and the Beauchamp articles in The New Republic smearing our military.
No, this PDF is not “irrefutable proof.” Your own confirmation bias is showing and your condescension is unseemly.
Even your political analysis is shallow. If it were “welcomed by the White House with great relief” Obama would have kept the controversy simmering.
I am amazed that, in connection with the whole “natural born citizen” issue, people aren’t focusing at all on Obama’s very uncharacteristic interest in the 2008 Sense of the Senate Resolution, S. Res. 511, which he co-sponsored along with Senators Clinton, Leahy, and Republican Senator Coburn, and which was introduced by Obama supporter, far Left Claire McCaskill, and which asserted that it was the non-binding Sense of the Senate that Senator McCain, although born “overseas” to two U.S citizens on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal, was a “natural born citizen”. This extremely fast tracked, no hearings, unanimously consented to (i.e. no recorded votes) bill’s legislative history also included paragraph long legal memos on the “natural born citizen” issue by two eminent legal scholars, Conservative ex-Solicitor General Ted Olson and ultra-Liberal Harvard Lawyer Lawrence Tribe, Obama’s very enthusiastic booster when he was at Harvard, who called Obama ”one of the most brilliant students I have ever seen.”
Now, that is thinking ahead!
It is also curious to me, as well, that although I have seen a quotation or two from our Founding Fathers, and references to Vattel’s “The Law of Nations” here and there, I have never seen a full-blown legal brief, which lays out the legislative history, case law, and legal status of the Constitutional ”natural born citizen” requirement. Curiously, there was the fact that a law firm with ties to Obama was researching this very issue, many years before the Election, and that, as a result, there was a law review article written advocating the elimination of the natural born citizen requirement as being “archaic and discriminatory” (see http://www.cklawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/vol81no1/Herlihy.pdf)
Very disappointing to see Rick Moran and Pajamas Media training their fire on patriotic Americans who are concerned with the constitutional qualifications of the President.
Any evidentiary privilege is subject to waiver. When one runs for President, one waives the privilege in state-held vital records. Disclosure is years late. In attacking the birthers, Rick Moran comes across as egotistical and obtuse.
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Rick, I’m afraid it is you who are the gullible one, or at any rate has mush for brains.
There is another story today about Tim Pawlenty commenting “…there was no evidence, actual evidence to indicate that he [Obama] wasn’t born in the United States.” With this Pawlenty just rendered himself unfit for any serious consideration for future election.
Of course, Pawlenty had it exactly backward. The onus shouldn’t be to prove that Obama WASN’T born in the U.S. Rather, it should have been on Obama to prove the he WAS born in the U.S., or more precisely, that he satisfied the Constitutional requirements for being president.
As far as I’m concerned, the issue still isn’t settled, and won’t be until the document has been wrung out in a court of law – complete with forensic examination and sworn testimony by experts, and run the full gamut of appeals up through the Supreme Court. This should be standard vetting procedure for all candidates for the presidency, and the fact that it isn’t is disgraceful.
Obama brought this controversy on himself. He tried to play Americans for fools. He deserves payback for that.
And thank you, Donald Trump for forcing the issue. Now go after those academic transcripts and other things Obama has been hiding. Americans deserve to know the full truth about this guy.
SeesBeyond:
Just goes to show us all how useless that old constitution thing was before the coming of the Marxist Messiah doesn’t it.
…another thing is there is no trust in this administration. and the fault lies with them.
OK, it’s official, the president is not an Afro-American. Now, can the Donald show us his draft card for ’68? How exactly did he get out of the draft? A little under the table draft board biological cost shifting there, hey Donald? Americans deserve the truth, since the Donald seems to be fond of military solutions to economic problems at the expense of other people’s blood.
I’m thinking of just recycling the strategy the Left used during the Bush era, and pretend the document says something it doesn’t. That’s always fun.
I do note that I got a copy of my birth certificate from the Dept of Health to get a passport for a cruise last year, and it was a monochrome scan of an original paper document printed on certificate paper, pink not green. So people hyperventilating over the paper somehow being mismatched with the image are off base.
However, my state’s certificate paper had a preprinted border sayng what type of document it was — and it had been stamped (impressed like a notary) with an official’s seal. Even though just an impression, that would show up in photo or scan like this.
I don’t think I have ever seen a birth certificate of the type mentioned. I have sent for numerous copies to include with various registrations but I guess I just wasn’t picky enough for my %5.00 check.
As far as I am concerned, there is a dearth of information about obama: not only information such as grades and who paid for the various expensive schools but from other students who may have known him, sat next to him or were his lab partner. I recall reading statements that the writer was supposed to be in the same college class and had never even seen obama. He’s like someone on television who has no record until mysteriously appearing at age 32 and then is found to have taken the identification of someone who died at birth. Although I detest obama and his wife, I don’t want to start any conspiracy rumors. As obama so adamantly stated, “I won” . I don’t have to like that or anything about him but I guess I have to accept it for another two years.
The problem with conspiracy theorists is that we are supposed to believe the evil government (TM) is BOTH so incredibly smart it can hide such a monumental secret like Obama not eligible for presidency with no witnesses ever spilling the beans, AND so stupid as to release images that are “obviously fake”.
Same with the moon landing conspiracy theories (hundreds of thousands of people — literally — all kept quiet for decades, but the photos released from the moon allegedly have “obvious mistakes” that make it “clear” the landing was a fake), with the holocaust deniers (millions of people are collectively lying about it, including the perpetrators, but somehow they lie in such a way that it is “obvious” it was all a hoax), and every other conspiracy theory.
The real purpose of conspiracy theories isn’t to find the truth. It’s to feel a member of a small elite of those who “know what is really going on”.
The issue is settled.
I’ve heard this before, as in, “I did not have sex with that woman…the issue is settled”
This child is not my love child, I love my wife and want to stand by her during this difficult time with her cancer, the issue is settled”
“Global warming is real and the science proves it, the issue is settled”.
“These documents are real and President Bush has a lot of explaining to do, the issue is settled”.
Please forgive me, when someone who is completely untrained in forensics declares that “the issue is settled” on a topic that they have utterly no expertise, skill, talent or ability…it carries no more weight than if they uttered a line from Jabberwocky.
The issue may or may not have merit, but some arrogant declaration with a “step on your neck while I’m at it” snark, by a rank amateur pseudo-sleuth…doesn’t impress me much.
More to the point, a man who plays hide and go seek with his entire past has no standing to complain when people become suspicious of what’s true and what’s not in his autobiography.
Some simpletons can believe everything he says. Others may want a bit more proof. ONE issue isn’t the whole story. And, frankly…Ayers, Wright, New Party, and a whole host of things…stink to high hell. This issue IS a sideshow…but not in the way his apologists mean. It detracts from the fact that his whole shrink-wrapped “story” is suspect.
This item was the least interesting to me. Maybe one day he will be properly vetted. And all these “settled” issues that the simple and the mindless think are “nothing” will come to light.
Completely agree.
["Please forgive me, when someone who is completely untrained in forensics declares that “the issue is settled” on a topic that they have utterly no expertise, skill, talent or ability…it carries no more weight than if they uttered a line from Jabberwocky."]
I hope you’re not trying to infer that the approriate agencies personnel responsible for validating records and criteria, including all presidential candidates by the conclusion of the primary are void of highly honed forensics. Politicians and their staffs do NOT conduct this type of work and have ZERO influence on any outcome of the investigations. They simply recieve formal notification of constitutional and legislative certification.
In instances for which Obama would have certainly qualified for, in my opinion, there are at least three (3) independent layers of investigation and as I’ve said before, such investigation was most certainly requested and initiated by certain folks prior to his 1994 democrat convention speech. Also, as I’ve said before, Obama was groomed by the top levels of the political machine, contrary to the belief he ran for president on his own ambitions. They are not nearly as stupid and reckless as many would have them be. So, with all due respect, please do not try to indict the qualifications, resources and dedication of some of the most highly trained career employees within the government.
There are solid legal reasons why the government has taken a moot and mute position on all this public conspiracy stuff! It is legally binding that ONLY the party of record can at their choosing disclose documents or information from documents the laws classifies as personal and confidential documents.
Why Obama chose to do as he has, and based on what strategy, I shall not try to entertain a guess…but it is his right to do so under law.
Not quite sure how to respond, but let me give you a story.
A while back, I was asked to represent a gentleman who had claimed that the government was abusing him and his rights. This happened to everyone who was experienced and seasoned in a certain area and it was a small enough group that we kept getting called upon over and over.
Anyway, this story was so preposterous…I felt put upon to have it thrown in my lap. It took away time, attention and energy from my regular everyday work.
What I found astounded me. Not only did records get “massaged”, they would make entire airplanes disappear from existence, records of flights with passengers disappeared completely, the history of the plane itself disappeared as if it never existed, whole recorded and transcribed interviews went missing, …so, please forgive me if I don’t swoon at the notion that politics can’t possibly have some funny impact on records and documents.
Secondly, these same pristine government workers not allowing politicians to have any more than ZERO impact on investigations….well at Chappaquidick we say we will drive off that bridge when we come to it.
Third, I was not even remotely thinking about anyone other than arrogant amateurs who do not handle forensics for a living and never have…who declare that something is “settled” because they are too amateurish and clumsy to know any…much less…ALL the ways that evidence can be manipulated.
What I am NOT saying…is that the place of birth issue is at all interesting to me or that it has merit. What I AM saying, is that rank amateurs cannot arrogate to themselves the power to declare a matter “settled” based upon nothing more than a deadly combination of ignorance and hubris.
By definition…rank amateurs are people who have NO experience, NO talent, NO skill, and do NOT do this for a living. Ergo, that eliminates those, de facto…of those who DO this for a living.
cfbleachers….Thanks for the clarification. I have a great affection to those military and GS careers who work in certain sections and teams, domestically and around the world doing the highly trained and skilled work that gets them zero attention…as well it should not. Kindly remember, that an elected president is not required to hold any formal documents certifying security clearances but, that does NOT mean that he, his Vice President and certain of their staffs do not undergo intense and official national security scrutiny…. ongoing…and did I mention intense?
Sorry I confused the intent and direction of your comments!
Unless, of course, he is perpetrating a fraud- which he is. His concealing of the written truth, coupled with his fraudulent oral representations constitutes criminal activity, since his fraud elicits public compensations to which he is not really eligible. That must result in impeachment and prison time.
Why does one suspect that careful examination will show his document to be a forgewry?
I agree. Obama and the MSM have been completely transparent and honest about Obama’s background and qualifications, including academic records, etc., so anyone who is skeptical must be a racist or something. Nothing suspicious about hiding personal records that other candidates generally disclose. Stop questioning everything. Our role is to simply believe and obey — and to work harder so we can pay taxes. Silly skeptics.
You will never convince these people. The more they can’t prove a thing the more they know it’s true.
They are probably enthusiasts who like crop circles; you know, the ones that never appear in the Sahara or in solid rock but only in fields despite alien technology that brings the “Republic of Hwarthorl” scores of light years to play jokes by leaving messages that say “We’re here, find us.”
Like magic imps and banshees, “birthers” only ever see Obama out of the corner of their eye. Evidence is never produced but found and by the way never found either. To produce evidence by the wrong side is distrusted.
Even if “Nessie” clomps out of Loch Ness and clambers atop a castle to be shot down by RAF fighter jets the wackos in our life will quickly grow bored and concentrate on giant squid that wrap their arms around cruise ships which are never seen again.
I myself once heard a voice that came from a small box that kept saying, “KDWB – Channel 63″.
And the fact that Obama won’t disclose his academic records just proves how smart he is. After all, he won the Nobel Peace Prize. How can we not believe that he is the smartest President in history, as the very smart Dana Milbank has so wisely opined? It’s not his fault that massive tax and spend policies are hurting the economy. It’s not his fault that the price of gas is skyrocketing because of his anti-oil drilling policies. How dare we of lesser brains not just believe and obey?
I won a Pulitzer Prize once – for being an idiot – there was no ceremony.
I have a picture of Obama as a baby riding a giant snake 80 ft. long in the jungles of Kenya. I remembered to flatten the layers so it is real. And I gave him red devil eyes.
I am selling it for one 60 cube palette of frozen smoke which is money where I am going – Jupiter.
You can contact me at: iamaf__kingmoron.com
I disagree … the only thing we really know about obama is that he lies …a lot.
so I think it is natural to be suspicious of him and everything about him.
if after this time you wish to trust him that is fine, I do not.
I though he was holding back the birth certificate because it proves his father is not a US citizen so that leaves barry as ineligible, as does his citizenship to Indonesia.
General, to bring up those last two things . . .
I actually had the audacity to point out that birthers were un-placatable idiots on Breitbart and that we have bigger issues to deal with.
My instant debate score dropped 127 points, oh good lord that comments section was aflame.
Don’t forget to call them racists too. Remember, everyone to does not believe everything Obama says is a racists. Pass it on.
Correction: Everyone WHO does not believe Obama is a racist must be a Moran. Pass it on.
How do you expect people to respond when you call them idiots?
Idiot.
Another intelligent argument, Mr. Moran, you must be proud.
Another intelligent argument, Mr. Moran, you must be proud of your followers.
I changed my mind. Obama and the MSM have been so devious and dishonest about Obama’s background that you would have to be a Moran not to be skeptical of everthing they say or do. Obama won’t even release his academic records, something that every other presidential candidate is willing to do. They just used this issue to distract us from the truth. Regardless of where he was born, Obama is a traitor and enemy of the principles of freedom and self-government that made this country the envy of the world. They just want us to shut up and get back to work so they can continue to destroy our country for generations to come.
Mr Moran, You seem to misunderstand what people were asking for with the birth certificate. People wanted this man held to the same standards as any other president. If he were a republican, he would have been impeached long ago. Why does Obama get special treatment?
Since Obama has been so deceptive, why is it wrong to suspect more deceit? If you find someone concealing the truth, don’t you naturally want to know what it is they are hiding? In questioning his character, the birthers were right all along.
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that Obama told us that he could not get a copy of his birth certificate, and the governor of Hawaii couldn’t find it at all, yet with one letter from Obama, it shows up? Doesn’t it strike you as odd that so much money was spent trying to conceal this document? I don’t think it’s unreasonable for normal people to wonder and speculate about what the explanations could be.
In what way was anyone proven wrong? Most of us didn’t claim to “know the truth about Obama”. We wanted to find out what the truth really is. We wanted to know about his history, what his values are, and what we can expect from the influences on his life. Is that unreasonable?
In what way is any of this a distraction? We still want to get Obamacare repealed, get the debt under control, get back to a growing economy, etc. Believe it or not, we can pay attention to more than one thing at a time. In what way does 2.5 years of a coverup make Obama come out looking good?
You are making logical and rational points that totally refute and transcend Rick Moran’s arrogant snark of the week. Is that allowed? You must be a dreaded “birther” — whatever that means.
The GOP is like the “Chicken Littles” always saying that the “Sky is Falling”, like the same ones that were the “Chicken Hawks” (“W” Wars), big talk no courage.
The United States, favors creativity wherever it can be found. We’re apostles of prosperity and defenders of the free exchange of ideas and when more people in more countries are free to rise, to invent, to communicate, to dissent, it’s not the doom of United States leadership, its the triumph of the American way.
Generations have worked hard and sacrificed much for the country to reach this point (individuals and our unions!), and with further hard work and sacrifice (along with our relentless self-doubt) the United States will rise again, we do not tire and we are coming back, no matter what Fox news and their GOP “Chicken Littles” lackies keep saying about our nation. Never Bet Against the United States!
Our current President travelled under a USA passport long before he was elected President, but I guess the quacky BIRTHERS, must believe that the USCIS – United States Passport was in on the lie, please, grow up, you are wrong! Remember when some contractors were busted during the “George W. Bush” administration for looking at our current President passport file (how quick you forget).
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/03/20/obamas_passport_files_hacked/
The Birthers just HATE and can’t debate!
Have any of the quacky BIRTHERS presented any credible proof that will standup in court? Answer: No
Have any of the quacky BIRTHERS won any Court Cases? Answer: No
They are just mainly backward, uneducated, white people who HATE our half African American President.
The majority of the voting public ask “where the proof”, show some proof BIRTHERS or the voting majority will continue to see you as dumb, stupid or racist, maybe all three. Can you blame them?
Still, I really hope one of these retreads and blowhards runs for president, not because they have a chance of winning but because I like to see the train wreck that they will cause.
Faux News Candidates:
former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin ”The I graduated Early”,
former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga. “The I Love The Interns”,
former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee “The Huckster Reverend”,
former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa. “The I Love the Gays”,
former UN Ambassador John Bolton “The I Love The War ”
I Finance Myself:
real estate celebrity developer, Donald Trump, “I took my Casino into Bankruptcy, just imagine where I can Take the US”
former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney “The Flip-Flopping Fudger”,
former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush “The I Am Not My “Dumb Ass” Brother”,
Employed Long Shots:
Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. “The History, I Don’t Need No Stink’n History”,
Mr. Moran, please stop hiding behind the name “Montana,” one of the great states of our Union. We would like to have an open, civilized debate about the future of our country–now that it is being “ruled” instead of governed. And simply calling people names does not move the debate along or shed any light on the important issues of the day. Do you share any concerns about our great country–once a pinacle of civilized freedom and self-government unequaled in history–being turned into just another ordinary place where the rich and powerful rule and take whatever they want from the people?
A clear case of psychological projection.
“”The Birthers just HATE…quacky BIRTHERS…backward, uneducated, white people who HATE…dumb, stupid or racist…retreads and blowhards…” — Montana, above.
You certainly appear to be well on your way to mastering basic Alinsky tactics used to attack opponents with whom you disagree, Montana. Some advice – if you ever get around to graduating from school, consider taking, first, a basic course in civility, then one in logic (useful for being able to avoid false comparisons or making inappropriate moral equivalences and other basic logical errors), and finally one from Dale Carnegie. I think you will find they will serve you much better than the methods you are presently using.
OK I understand the need for PJM to allow those with different viewpoints to have a voice. But why not require those with a RINO and/or leftist bent to show some intellectual vigor? Or at least amuse? It is always the same writers with the same old one-note songs.
Okay I’ll try:
People who believe Obama was born in Kenya -
Think mustard is the devil’s tool
That putting bits of tin foil in your underwear is good luck
9/11 was masterminded by Hall & Oates
Peanut Butter/Jelly Swirl is a Jewish conspiracy
Everything is a Jewish conspiracy
The Minnesota Teamsters Pipefitters Union runs the United States
Snowplows are alive
Harry Potter is real and died in a broom crash 2 years ago in Woking
Paris Hilton is a shapeshifter
Sand is sacred
The Pyramids were built by human beings
Imps live in master cylinders
Donald Trump is human
Brazil isn’t real
Cats are make good pencil sharpeners
Obama was born in Kenya – Michelle Obama, who said so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c
Obama Birth Certificate Scam?
Open any PDF or even a flattened jpeg in Adobe Illustrator and it will create multiple layers for the PDF, even if it’s all text and at least one for the jpeg. That text from the PDF will have sections that can be turned on and off, disappearing and reappearing.
It’s a default mechanism.
Why? Consult a thaumaturge or an oracle.
The birthers had better produce a win somewhere and soon – a federal court would be nice – or they will wind up handing the election to Obama. Trump said he would release his tax records. Why wait? Give them to us now. And while you’re at it give us also the list of all the people you sued.
I figured he’d wait until closer to the election, after Trump had tossed his hair, um, hat into the ring. The only reason I can think of that he didn’t produce this earlier was an intention to discredit his naysayers.
Few things about the document. The original file is a pdf that you can download from the whitehouse.gov site. In fact there are a bunch of steps that got this document to the internet as a pdf, or the jpg that’s also available. This is a bit speculative but I think close to accurate. The original document was printed with black ink on white paper. It was typed up and signed on the dates indicated and was filed with the state of Hawaii health dept. At some point it was probably microfilmed or directly digitized along with all the other Hawaiian birth certificates. It may have been microfilmed and then digitized. The original paper document may have been discarded after that. This past week it was printed out onto the green paper you can see in the image. The white parts of the original document have become clear in this print. The paper print was signed and sealed this week. The paper document was then digitized, most likely by someone at the white house. This was most likely by a scanner or could have been by a digital camera. I’m not sure why it’s being distributed as a pdf. Most scans or digital photos would be raw or jpg. I think it went from one of those formats into the pdf. The pdf image is clearer than the jpg that was linked above. If you look at the left edge of the original document you can see that it’s curved but the green document isn’t curved. There are also a few handwritten numbers that are cut off. This is because the original document was curved when it was microfilmed or digitized.
The raised seal on the current document is visible in the pdf and the jpg, although it’s clearer in the pdf. The center of the seal is below the triangle in box 21 and above the R in APR 25. The top of the seal is in boxes 20 and 21. The bottom of the seal extends down about three vertical green bars below the bottom black line below box 23. There’s no ink that I can see on it. Maybe there is on the rear of the document.
The fact is that this is the document that the birthers have been demanding. This image online is just an image online and there’s really no point in attempting to find little faults in it. What makes it genuine is the people from the State of Hawaii that say it’s genuine. This document was printed out and signed just a couple days ago by official representatives of the state of Hawaii Health dept. In order for it to be fake in any way there would have to be a wide conspiracy. And there’s no evidence for anything like that.
How come the governor of Hawaii couldn’t find the document, and lo! here it is?
I do not understand why the author, Mr Moran is so hostile to people like me who only went into the birther’s camp when there was evidence on their side. There were four pieces of evidence that seemed crucial to me:
1) the hospital birth certificate from Mombassa, seen online
2) the birth certificate from the Registrar of Births , Deaths and Marriages in Kenya, seen online
3) the You Tube video of Obama saying “I was not born in America, I was born in Kenya” before he was President
4) the You Tube video of Obama saying that things were different in the USA from “…the country of my birth”
I did not see how these things were forged, and I still do not. If someone shows me they were forged I will accept that.
However I am quite happy to see the Hawai birth certificate and accept it as valid until someone shows me that it is forged.
I think that I have been rational and balanced throughout. I am open to changing my mind when the evidence is there. I have never been paranoid or racist.
Too bad moran descended into the ‘birther’ lingo and derogatory comments. The deliberate obfuscations; law-breaking and political shannanigans of the O himself far exceed any question regarding his brithplace posed by regular Americans who are concerned by the O’s internationalist destructive policies.
I have been willing all along to give Obama a pass on the whether or not he was born in the U.S.A. However, there is no doubt in my mind at this present time, that anything and everything he does is a calculated cold-blooded lie that fits right in there with his obsessive demaogoguing ideology. In short; how are we even to begin to reason with an invincibly ignorant mindset – it’s impossible. Only God Himself can unravel that.
Therefore, I cannot accept that the birth certificate is authentic, until the myriad other questions regarding Obama’s life and accomplishments are brought into the light. The real shame of all this that not ONE person has challenged his eligibility for the presidency under the Constitution. The fact that he may be a citizen falls short – his father is listed as Kenyan on this latest version of the fiasco and therefore he is an illegal POTUS and besides many say that his father was a British subject.
There are no questions answered by this latest ‘revelation’ of a certificate. Hell, even Fox News are calling it a “long-form” birth certificate – which is not exactly true is it?
Unless this is a deliberate joke on Rick moran’s part; it is doubly condescending and despicable to double down on reasonable people across America that are rightly concerned and frightened by this Socialists’s anti-American policies and his complete and utter refusal to take ANY responsibility for them. Instead of a reasonable and necessary apology from Obama, for causing so much distress and fear; he deemed to lecture us on how silly this whole episode is. Well; it’s not silly at all. What’s silly is his playing politics with our lives and demagoguing like the best of the beltway boys. This is most definitely NOT the end of this ‘eligibility” issue and NO, we will not continue to allow ourselves to be demagogued to death and treated like idiots. Obama is scared right now and he’s just painted himself into and even smaller corner by releasing this phony document without as much as a real discussion about it. He’s hiding and he’s lost the 2012 election already. Nobody needs to campaign against this guy – he’s done it to himself.
There are too many issues that make absolutely NO sense in this deliberate (and costly) obfuscation of the details of Obama’s life and work. By the way Moran; Do you remember who started the “birther” issue? The Clintons.
I think that everyone expected Obama to produce a logform birth certificate after three years whether it existed or not.
nicely put…. …really the only thing we know about obama that is unquestionable is that he lies a lot.
THE END OF BIRTHERISM IS PRELUDE TO MORE TRUMPING
When Obama announced the release of his birth certificate yesterday he said that the Birther movement “bemused him.” Bemused him? More like it AMUSED him. Whereas most grownups in his place would have put an end to the “silliness” of Birtherism by quickly releasing solid proof of his US birthplace Obama instead encouraged it while childishly delighting in it. In the spirit of bipartisanship and empathy he allowed the Birther movement to grow and flourish for thirty months for the amusement and pleasure of seeing right wingers grope around in error. Indeed, this was on the same high plane as inviting Paul Ryan and the GOP to a speech on deficit reduction only to humiliate them. It is that disgusting……..
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good essay
Say what? How is a layered PDF document conclusive proof of an original certificate a half century old?
Let’s assume that the underlying certificate, such as it may be, is its own “conclusive proof”. Do you somehow draw that from an electronic file full of construction telltales? Do tell how this document constitutes such proof of an original certificate.
It’s sad when the ostensible right goes to lengths to play into the left’s game. Why do you fear what they think of you, Rick?
…the right has always played into the left’s game.
and yes it is sad. the left is far more unified and has had control of the entire education system for more then 2 generations.
what the schools are pumping out is evident in the trolls that comment here.
they lack a historical prospective of ..basically everything and they lack critical thinking. they are simply brainwashed and repeat the talking points of their leftist upbringing.
Meh – it’s still a fake. Back in 61 they would have listed “race of father” as n egro. “African” is a place – not a race.
What I believe is that he’s not naturalized due to his mom’s age and dad’s citizenship (british). But it doesn’t matter because we have nothing in place to remove him from office except impeachment and congress will not impeach.
Also, as an indonesian (where he grew up) he was able to get a scholarship as a foreign student.
Dude is a fraud.
Mr. Moran:
I have questions about the minute details of the just-released Obama birth certificate. However, for the sake of argument, I’m willing to stipulate, for the moment, that the document is genuine.
That doesn’t change the issue. The birth certificate is a symbol of everything President Obama has been unwilling to reveal to us about himself, which is nearly everything.
Bottom line: for Barack Hussein Obama II, there is only his official version of his story. There is no corroboration. We cannot speak to any of his birth family, or his childhood acquaintances; they’re dead, or in hiding. We cannot check his paper records independently, because until yesterday, there weren’t any.
He has asked us to take his word for everything, based on… what? His integrity as an Illinois State Senator, or as a U.S. Senator, or as a community organizer, or his honorable conduct as a Harvard student? All of those records are sealed too.
So, if you believe what the President says about himself, I can only wonder — would you extend the same courtesy to, say, Sarah Palin? (That is, had she been repeatedly asked for her birth certificate and college records, and if she had repeatedly refused for no good reason, would you give her a pass too?)
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
Of course he wouldn’t trust her; she’s a woman, she’s smart, and she’s white.
When you cut the head off a chicken, it can still run around and spray blood everywhere. Been there; done that.
Rickster Moran – another sad example of ‘objectivity’ and ‘journalistic integrity’ gone kaput.
Perhaps Rick was ‘fortunate’, being in Chicago and all, to have been in the shadow of grownup Steve Urkel when he was Senator for that microsecond (hey Steve-O, how’s that district Obama ‘represented’ doing during and following his brief, ahem, ‘representation’ there anywho?). Or salivating following this morAnic op-ed to be given more Helen Thomas-like notice by Uhbama when he jet-sets into Chi-town.
Rickster, Uhbama’s attending the ever-so important Oprah program (as he should, for there’s ‘nada’ happening with the breached rivers, tornado damage from the southern plains extending into the Ohio Valley. As evidenced by recent ravaged areas of Arkansas and Alabama) to ridicule not only those who deserved and continue to demand FULL disclosure, but the U.S. Constitution in of itself.
You’re a sad sack, Rick. For if you can’t (or won’t) catch the faintest whiff of this theater perpetrated by this man-child ideologue.. the ‘laughter’ you juxtapose – is on you.
if the Birther issue is not about race, then where are all the African American and Latino birthers? Why is the first Black President the first President that people have made an issue of him presenting his birth certificate. Yeah , it’s about trust. Racists do not trust him because he is Black.
PJ, I’ll break down your ridiculous comment.
1. EVERY Presidential candidate as stated in the Constitution are REQUIRED to provide said BC.
2. As for ‘all the African American.. (don’t you mean Black Americans.. but I digress)’ – did you see the news footage of a Black man at a Tea Party event questioned by White female NBC reporter Kelly O’Donnell if he, ‘..ever felt uncomfortable’? Yep, there’s your NBC/in the DNC pocket – trying to create tension where there is none. Here’s a video and excerpts: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2010/04/16/white-nbc-reporter-confronts-black-man-tea-party-rally-have-you-ever-fe
If you haven’t heard of Lloyd Marcus, the ‘Proud unhyphenated American’, you’ll have to research him. Like Lloyd, I won’t disclose what nationality he is because, honestly, it’s quite moot this day and age..
3. As per other Black Conservative/leaning Conservative Americans upset by Obama for a myriad of reasons, PJTV has an excellent video some months back whereas these folks, Black men and women alike who’d spoken of their disappointment, obvious deception he’s used. That you’ll have to research yourself.
4. Obama, no matter how much you read, hear and WANT to believe it, Obama is not Black. He’s mulato. That sounds like a personal hangup or denial of reality. Something you obviously have to wrestle and/or come to terms with.
5. I wouldn’t put so much stock in ‘racists’ Peter. Though to those who have facts, lucid reasoning to question ANY politicians motives and actions I feel deserve some attention and decorum. No matter which side of their political leanings.
If it’s about color then the color is red.
No. People with half a brain don’t trust him because they see him as either a congenital liar or simply garden-variety stupid.
Neither one has anything to do with race or color.
I’m unimpressed by Steve Clemons admitting to attending “secret” meetings with Samantha Power in the days pre-Egypt. It’s well worth the time it takes to watch this….filmed at the Gulens’ Rumi Center.
Frankly I don’t care where he was born…it’s the pathological lying thing, stupid!
http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/04/exclusive-steve-clemons-at-gulen-forum.html
I don’t care where this blank slate was born, what race he claims, what schools he went to, or what his grades were. The results speak for themselves. He’s not up to the job. Nothing else is relevant.
Would you stall for two years on a distraction that you could settle in 30 seconds? Instead the president got into a clown fight with Donald Trump. He could have better spent the time shooting hoops or playing golf.
He was born in Hawaii. That is all there is to the story. What does have to do with trust? Whether I trust O or not does not matter. He was elected and I will try to unelect him in 2012. However, he is legally President of the United States. End of story, next
Barry Soetoro the first Indonesian president of the United States!
So Genius and Constitutional Scholar your contention is that ANY child born to ANY parent of ANY nationality is a “Natural Born Citizen’ as long as it is born in the USA. And they say moonbats aren’t stupid LOL.
If Shep Smith on Fox News thinks its real that’s all that matters! Personally, from the look on Obama’s face when talking about “silliness” and “carnival barkers” he looked like he was auditioning for a remake of Jim Carrey’s “Liar Liar”
Time to pack it in dude. This isn’t rocket science. It’s pretty easy to understand, ok. We don’t trust this LIAR. See how easy that was?
Nobody has addressed my original question, that I made when the birther issue first came up. Why? I understand that assuming that Obama was born, say, in Kenya, or even in Hawaii but was somehow ineligible, I can comprehend why he’d be concealing where he was born, the circumstances, etc., now…but he and other people would have had to take actions *back then*, in 1962. His mother and father would have had to lie about this, to multiple people. Remember, the birth was announced in a couple of different newspapers. Somehow everything would have to be concealed, and for what purpose? Assuming the child was born in Kenya, does anyone really think that this would have made him ineligible to enter the U.S. with his American citizen mother (even assuming her age disqualified her from passing along her citizenship to her son, something I stubbornly refuse to believe)? The whole point is this: the only true distinction between “natural born” and “naturalized” citizens of the United States is tha the former can be President, and the latter (e.g. Arnold Schwarzenegger) can’t. So what everyone is positing is that almost 50 years ago, as the Civil Rights Movement was heating up and Dr. King was making speeches in Mississippi, some small group of people, relatively obscure, in Hawaii, were conspiring to conceal where this boy was born so he could someday be President. Later, when he reached maturity and adulthood, he continued the deception, because he knew that one day he’d be President. When he commenced his political career, he again continued the deception, because even while serving as an obscure state legislator, he knew someday he’d be President. Anyone see anything absurd about any of this? I think if six years ago you’d approached a group of 50 lefty journalists and asked them who was going to be President after GWB, they would have with one voice said Hillary. So Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama Sr. (who got nothing out of it and appears to have wanted almost nothing to do with his son) and the parents, and a number of other people, had to lie and conceal and cover this up for almost 50 years…because they guessed he’d be able to win the Presidency, when no one else thought it possible. This aside from the fact that there’s actually no proof any of this happened, just controversy and rumor.
These conspiracy theories get so convoluted, and the proponents get so obsessed with details, that it’s amazing people have real lives beyond things. My favorite occurred back in the late ’70s or early ’80s. The government released thousands of documents relating to the Kennedy assassination. One conspiracy theorist spent 3 months going through the documents one by one, and then announced that he had rock-solid proof that the CIA was involved in the assassination. This sounded pretty good, right up until you found out that the proof was that there was no evidence in the files the government was involved at all. Since the consipracy nut *knew* that was wrong, the fact there was no paper trail here meant that the CIA clearly had “vacuumed” the files before they were released. Evidence is proof of a conspiracy, and absence of evidence is proof of a conspiracy; basically, everything proves my point, regardless. Sort of like the global warming zealots who have morphed into “climate change” fanatics, and are insisting that the *drop* in temperatures is proof they were right. If the temps stayed the same, *that too* would be proof…anything is proof.
So no, you can’t convince these people. They’ll go on obsessing about PDF layers, type fonts, handwriting, ink color, missing stamps, and anything else they can parse. Occasionally this sort of thing pays off (e.g. the letter from GWBush’s commanding officer that got Rather fired) but most of the time if you get down to blades of grass, you’re not seeing the trees, let alone the forest.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
It’s true that this is about trust. It’s always been about trust, and Obama has given us little reason to trust him. In the spirit of TRANSPARENCY let’s see all those records you fought to keep private.
I’m also curious as to how Obama’s father’s nationality is listed as KENYA in the BC when Kenya didn’t exist in 1961. It was the British East Africa Protectorate. It didn’t become Kenya until atleast 1963. Also, the hospital wasn’t named Kapiolani in ’61. It was called Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. Just some things to think about. I don’t know if this is a real document or not, but from the evidence, it would appear that it isn’t. I also don’t understand why he had to get both the long and short versions sent to him from Hawaii. Didn’t he have a copy on hand? How did he get a Driver’s License?
a driver’s license? He didn’t. That’s why he didn’t pay all those parking tickets.
Very funny you Master Mind now lets see your excuse as to how he got his Passport, College admissions, Bar Registration too. All of which require a BC and which he had long before the issue of the fake COLB in 2008. Or was he given an Affirmative action pass for all these too?
An observation or two. There is no place on the birth certificate for nationality and the only mention of Kenya is for Obama, Sr. birthplace (Kenya, East Africa).
As for Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital, the wiki site indicates that the what is now Kapiolani Hospital changed its name in 1931 to Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital from Kapiʻolani Maternity Home (1918) and from Kapiʻolani Home of the Hoolu and Hoola Lahui Society (1890) when it was founded.
Might also note that whoever filled in the official form to be filed would have typed in whatever information they were told unless it was obvious that the information had to be wrong. So points like African versus Negro are also kind of irrelevant. If Obama, Sr. had been an American probably Negro would have been typed in. Since he was from Africa and probably proud of it, he’d probably object to being labeled Negro.
“..and for what purpose?”
Uh…simple American citizenship? There was NO conspiracy…only people doing what they would normally do to help give their child the benefits of being an American (or dual British subject, or Indonesian citizenship as the case was to go to school, with his adoption.)
Obama is a MASTER at gaming the system! He learned at the knee of his mother, his grandmother, Frank Marshall, and later in Chicago with Bill Ayers and the whole Chicago machine. He gamed it to get get into Columbia and Harvard, then gamed it to when his first election to state senate.
And he knows what to do and when to do it…like giving up his law license so his use of Barry Soetoro didn’t come back to bite him!
This whole Birth certificate release is just one more part of his gaming the public and media…so they don’t look at all the other issues in his past!
Why, he even learned to use mutiple SS #’s during his life and NEVER get caught for commiting a felony!
The man is simply a product of his times…incredible!
Slow down; deep breaths!! “Birther” is a straw man issue created by the Kenyans owners!
Look at ALL the documents that Obama is concealing. There is no doubt he is hiding something. His owners created a fake issue long ago and let others run with it.
The plan was that the “birthers” would be discredited at the 11th hour, the October surprise, allowing BHO’s people to say that, “if they were wrong about the BC, they must be wrong about: his plagiarizing his papers, being impotent, drug addiction, Saudi citizenship, etc.
But, Trump forced his hand. Trump had the guts to raise the issue that BHO’s media had demonized. And, BHO blinked. He did what he could have done years ago and could have done next October, he showed the paper (BTW, one of his fake books says that he came across his BC, folded in a drawer – or so I’ve been told). His timing is off. Now he has no October surprise.
The play now is the honest play, not the play his handlers selected. What is he hiding?
What’s in his medical records? What’s in his academic records, his history of social security numbers, his passports? You can tell these are important issues because the media has been ordered to demonize anyone who dares to question BHO.
If you watched the guy on MSNBC who used to be a journalist, he went ballistic when Ortiz(?), the blond birther, wouldn’t surrender. He took the key position that every communist takes when opposed by an honest person, he declared her “insane.” She couldn’t have been right, she must have been insane!
You can also see that all the black racists are out in force along with their running dogs, all claiming that opposition to this incompetent, mendacious boob is racist.
This is one good reason to watch MSNBC once in a while. You can tell what BHO’s pimps and owners have ordered their media “working girls” to push and say.
A liar is a liar is a liar
John McCain was not born in the United States, but he is white so it was no problem.
ebdoug McCain was born to TWO American CITIZEN parents on American sovereign territory in Panama and so IS a ‘Natural Born Citizen”. Obambi on the other hand was born to a FOREIGN Citizen father and an underage American so can under no circumstances be considered a “Natural Born Citizen’ at all, an “Anchor Baby’ maybe.
Have read about this so much for the last few years surely people can see this is a joke. Everytime govenment comes up with more insanity laws this carrot is trotted out to dangle in front of the American people. All it does is take the focus off the real news. By the time the carrot is put away more obsence laws and removed freedoms are in place. The birth certificate is Obama and Media’s favorite tool. The man was hatched from an egg. His mother was a trashy white girl trolling for men of color. End of story. Move on and look to 2012. This country is at stake, if it is not to far gone. Your own country sold you as Americans. And I remember during that time all cheered.
don’t let them do it again.
(@72 xschild you are crazy–so white women who date black men are trashy? really..) But Anyway…
I feel that this string of people believing that The President is not a citizen has no merit.. I feel alot of you people want to belong to something.. No matter how crazy.. You feel like you belong to something you have a group that accepts you because you believe just as irrationally as they do.. So you go on this tirade and you are still doing it.. For years and nobody is listening to you, nobody cares, because at the end of the day, you still live in America and you can do nothing but voice a ignorant opinion..
You quote these websites but as you should know anybody can put something online.. just cause it’s online doesn’t make it true..
-Instead of you people manning up and saying “hey I don’t like him cause, he’s black.. ” that will be more respected than making things up..
But I like you “birther” people, because you guys will get him re-elected.. You will wasted your vote on somebody because you have the mentality “anybody but Obama”.. So I thank you.. I don’t think Obama is perfect, No man is perfect..
But, I am not stupid.. but it’s sad to say that many people are.. and if you can’t see the world is evolving around you and you are becoming the past, then i advise you to taste the Foldgers..
I employ you to stop with the birth certificate and talk policy.. Leave the constitution alone because you clearly don’t understand it.. Speak about what you know “hatred”.
It’s evident no matter what the current president does, you will tear it down and call it a failure, but the majority– all of you, don’t know what running a country is about nor world economics..
You have the impression that a button can be push or people can wake up one day and change gas prices.. or create jobs.. Honestly, gaining employment has been a struggle for decades, this is nothing new.. Families have been having money problems for decades, business all over have been closing or going bankrupt for decades.. You talk like this just start happening..
This birth certificate , what makes any of you an expert in forgery? lol, really.. You people are saying that it shouldn’t say African, back then it said “colored” or “negro”, really? lol.. My grandparent birth certificate doesn’t.. It’ says African, because he was an African..
Now what’s the problem with a 25 year old dating a 18 year old.. They do it today.. interracially if I may add as well.. Father’s leave their kids to this day.. It is nothing new.. White men do it as well.. so what’s the problem. ? I know..
He’s Black!
Mind you before you twist words Obamas father is African and his mother is American.. So the race of his father on the Birth Certificate says African, because that is his father’s race..
So it’s a fake because is should say, “Negro” or “Colored” because you claim that’s what was used in the 60′s lol.. that’s some racist Sh%%.. may as well put Ni$$%r on it huh,? my grandparents birth certificate says African-American..
And it should say Jr. instead of II, really.. it’s your childs name the parents have the choice and besides Jr. and II mean the same thing..
Just say it..
He’s black.. !!
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