If you cannot preform your job, you should not have the job. However, the state we live in the boss can walk in and just because he wants to can fire you…that’s wrong too. there has to be a middle line.

Obama sure can stir those people up with “them, they, their etc”…never telling them they have to take responsibility…and quit bilking us.

I totally agree that Obama is not worried about the next election. he will have union thugs,black panthers, a$$holes ready to intimidate you..so beware and help anyone you can to vote.
…Plus!!..there will be some type of fraud..bet on it. The big guys have too much invested in Obama to allow him to , matter what he does.

I absolutely think that job protection is a bad idea; you have to perform to keep your job, not have a pressure group.

While protection of the existence of the job is a bad idea, protection against arbitrary and capricious and wrongful actions is. As I’ve said, some unions do a decent job of this, and some don’t.

that would be SWEEEEEET!i am weary of wasting ammo…punching holes in paper.

Folks seem to believe its a bad idea for people to have job protection, decent working conditions, clearly defined duties, health care and pensions.

I absolutely think that job protection is a bad idea; you have to perform to keep your job, not have a pressure group. “Clearly defined duties” means that lack of flexibility; if it’s precisely defined as your job, then you’re not to do it. A real efficiency builder. Health care? No one should have health care through his employer, any more than we get auto insurance that way. It’s a fundamental problem with our system: most people have no idea what they pay for health insurance.

And pensions? Please. Those pensions are going “poof!” as we speak. A pension is basically a promise to pay…later…if the company is still around, and doesn’t go into bankruptcy. Only a fool would go for that. Demand cash – not promises – and take control of your own money.

Bottom line: unions have outlived their usefulness. In 2009, unions are only for losers.

Exactly! We are all better off because government buerucrats have work security, high wages, good pensions, good medical care. It’s not a coincedence that in these times of economic peril, it’s the Washington DC which is getting richer. I mean we should all feel happy that the taxpayer cannot fire a buerucrat, that union run-schools are a mess, and that UAW controlled GM and Chrysler are bankrupt. We are all better because of that.

And this is why, outside of the government sector, they’ve been watching their mountain erode beneath their feet.

There’s an old saying, that I believe to be generally true, that if you show me a place with a union, I’ll show you a place that at one time deserved it.

The places that deserve it now are government offices. With all the nepotism and general monkey business that’s so routine at these places, you really need a union to keep your back.

Unfortunately, the unions and management at these places are on the same page. As far as watching their members’ backs go, they’re as useless as the unions in the Soviet Union. Labor and management agree that compensation should keep increasing exponentially. Then never strike, because they’re both working toward the same goal in that regard.

The flip side of that is that if somebody wants you canned, and sets you up, forget about the union backing you up. You’re on your own. The union doesn’t want to make waves.

So basically, everybody’s failing their responsibilities. The management is failing their responsibility to the taxpayer to control costs, and the union is failing in their responsibility to make management behave.

Sux all around.

“I’ll use every resource of my office to speak out strongly on behalf of the business community, and against card check.”

Uh, Bob…listen to me for a sec. The people most directly affected, most directly harmed and whose rights are most directly destroyed are those of the WORKING PEOPLE. Not business.

So, to be more correct and more politically effective, you’d frame your response to protect the rights of working people, whose right to a secret ballot will be destroyed. They are also more sympathetic to the vast majority of voters than a faceless, nameless “business community”.

Thank you for taking the time to try a bit of a tutorial.

Both hubby and I had to join unions because of closed shops in California. Very unpleasant situation.

In one job, I actually had the option. I chose not to give them my money, as it didn’t improve my situation in any way. I was warned by management repeatedly about the possible consequences of choosing not to join. This was in the 1970′s, and they were simply worried about my physical safety. That should tell Lisa something if she cares to learn.