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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-28532</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the Media Coordinator for the Holistic Moms Network - a national non-profit connecting parents who are into naural health and green living.  I couldn&#039;t  agree more with Laura McKenna and her critique of the &quot;Eco-moms&quot; that drive their kids to soccer in gas-guzzling SUVs. Compare the average US citizen to a family in Ethiopia and see who&#039;s really green.  The greenest people on earth are the poorest who can&#039;t afford to buy anything, and cant even get their basic survival needs met. We in the Western world have a consumption sickness which is eating up the scarce resources on this planet and polluting in disproportionate ways.  It&#039;s really quite obvious what we&#039;re doing to ourselves and the answer is indeed to stop buying stuff and reuse as much as possible.  I highly recommend that everyone watch the 20-minute animated film The Story of Stuff. You can find it online. It&#039;s very enlightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the Media Coordinator for the Holistic Moms Network &#8211; a national non-profit connecting parents who are into naural health and green living.  I couldn&#8217;t  agree more with Laura McKenna and her critique of the &#8220;Eco-moms&#8221; that drive their kids to soccer in gas-guzzling SUVs. Compare the average US citizen to a family in Ethiopia and see who&#8217;s really green.  The greenest people on earth are the poorest who can&#8217;t afford to buy anything, and cant even get their basic survival needs met. We in the Western world have a consumption sickness which is eating up the scarce resources on this planet and polluting in disproportionate ways.  It&#8217;s really quite obvious what we&#8217;re doing to ourselves and the answer is indeed to stop buying stuff and reuse as much as possible.  I highly recommend that everyone watch the 20-minute animated film The Story of Stuff. You can find it online. It&#8217;s very enlightening.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23149</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, lame article.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, lame article.</p>
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		<title>By: K-Man</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23148</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these eco-moms were really concerned about being green, they wouldn&#039;t have subjected the earth to their children in the first place.  The world really does not need a lot of future consumers-to-be who will need houses, cars, trendy clothes, fuel, etc., in massive amounts.

Scientists have estimated that the natural carrying capacity for humans is under 2 billion, and possibly even under 1 billion.  There are now 6.7 billion people.  Choosing not to have children is possibly the most environmentally decision anyone can make to conserve resources and reduce pollution.  China and India realized this ages ago.  The eco-moms who still manage to maintain expensive consumerist lifestyles despite dabbling around the edges with &quot;green&quot; products need to realize this too.

If you think this is unreasonable or a joke, an Australian academic seriously proposed in December that that country impose a carbon tax on each child born to each couple after the second.  This is significant because Oz has actually instituted a series of incentives for each child born-incentives this professor says should be eliminated.  And he noted specifically that it makes no sense for Oz to encourage having children when China has strict population policies.  We all live on the same planet, and our decisions to have excessive numbers of children today affects everyone else, like it or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these eco-moms were really concerned about being green, they wouldn&#8217;t have subjected the earth to their children in the first place.  The world really does not need a lot of future consumers-to-be who will need houses, cars, trendy clothes, fuel, etc., in massive amounts.</p>
<p>Scientists have estimated that the natural carrying capacity for humans is under 2 billion, and possibly even under 1 billion.  There are now 6.7 billion people.  Choosing not to have children is possibly the most environmentally decision anyone can make to conserve resources and reduce pollution.  China and India realized this ages ago.  The eco-moms who still manage to maintain expensive consumerist lifestyles despite dabbling around the edges with &#8220;green&#8221; products need to realize this too.</p>
<p>If you think this is unreasonable or a joke, an Australian academic seriously proposed in December that that country impose a carbon tax on each child born to each couple after the second.  This is significant because Oz has actually instituted a series of incentives for each child born-incentives this professor says should be eliminated.  And he noted specifically that it makes no sense for Oz to encourage having children when China has strict population policies.  We all live on the same planet, and our decisions to have excessive numbers of children today affects everyone else, like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Kemp</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23147</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, last year I was in an online writing class with adult students from all over the US. We critiqued one another&#039;s work. One guilty ecowife wrote about her neighbor who rides a bike and composts and how &quot;the average person doesn&#039;t do enough for the environment.&quot; I checked her student bio and found out her husband was an airline pilot and she used to chauffer kids around to athletic meets. My reply to her was that the average person, by definition, isn&#039;t that wasteful because they can&#039;t afford a big SUV like a Cadillac Esplanade because their income is...average. She then admitted one of the neighbors on her block drove an Esplanade.

In a second class exercise submitted by a second ecowife, a vague argument was made that hinted our water treatment plants weren&#039;t creating pure enough tap water. To this I replied that the ecologically conscious scientists who chose to work at those plants (with their families living nearby) were probably doing a diligent, consciencious job of cleaning up the water. I also stated that her writing implied a premise of there being a Golden Age Health via Pure Water in the 19th Century. But the 19th Century was characterized by a very high birth mother and infant mortality rate which even took the life of the wealthy Theodore Roosevelt&#039;s first wife.

After criticizing these two women, I also want to state that the fault lies with the Green Movement&#039;s guilt trip trumpeted in television, magazines, political parties, Al Gore&#039;s movie, etc. They all have conspired to make these women feel guilty and not good enough Daughters of Mother Earth. These women need a champion like you, Laura, to tell them they are OK and worthy human beings if they don&#039;t sew their own teepee and wash their family&#039;s clothes in a stream with homemade soap, like Martha Stewart seems to do (if you believe every image you see on television).

Whatever problems we have today, will not be solved by Greenpeace arranging ecoguilt trips.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, last year I was in an online writing class with adult students from all over the US. We critiqued one another&#8217;s work. One guilty ecowife wrote about her neighbor who rides a bike and composts and how &#8220;the average person doesn&#8217;t do enough for the environment.&#8221; I checked her student bio and found out her husband was an airline pilot and she used to chauffer kids around to athletic meets. My reply to her was that the average person, by definition, isn&#8217;t that wasteful because they can&#8217;t afford a big SUV like a Cadillac Esplanade because their income is&#8230;average. She then admitted one of the neighbors on her block drove an Esplanade.</p>
<p>In a second class exercise submitted by a second ecowife, a vague argument was made that hinted our water treatment plants weren&#8217;t creating pure enough tap water. To this I replied that the ecologically conscious scientists who chose to work at those plants (with their families living nearby) were probably doing a diligent, consciencious job of cleaning up the water. I also stated that her writing implied a premise of there being a Golden Age Health via Pure Water in the 19th Century. But the 19th Century was characterized by a very high birth mother and infant mortality rate which even took the life of the wealthy Theodore Roosevelt&#8217;s first wife.</p>
<p>After criticizing these two women, I also want to state that the fault lies with the Green Movement&#8217;s guilt trip trumpeted in television, magazines, political parties, Al Gore&#8217;s movie, etc. They all have conspired to make these women feel guilty and not good enough Daughters of Mother Earth. These women need a champion like you, Laura, to tell them they are OK and worthy human beings if they don&#8217;t sew their own teepee and wash their family&#8217;s clothes in a stream with homemade soap, like Martha Stewart seems to do (if you believe every image you see on television).</p>
<p>Whatever problems we have today, will not be solved by Greenpeace arranging ecoguilt trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23146</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About a month ago Yahoo had a news story posted most of the day that said China was having its coldest winter in over a century. A few weeks ago I heard the same about the midwest. Funny none of this made the evening news. Global warming, or climate change, caused by humans is just the latest in a string of Liberal guilt trips whose end game is control of our lives by a bunch of busybodies. How many of their apocalyptic warnings have been proven false over time? Remember dire predictions of the next ice age? DDT? Acid rain? All BS. GW is next.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a month ago Yahoo had a news story posted most of the day that said China was having its coldest winter in over a century. A few weeks ago I heard the same about the midwest. Funny none of this made the evening news. Global warming, or climate change, caused by humans is just the latest in a string of Liberal guilt trips whose end game is control of our lives by a bunch of busybodies. How many of their apocalyptic warnings have been proven false over time? Remember dire predictions of the next ice age? DDT? Acid rain? All BS. GW is next.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylai</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23145</link>
		<dc:creator>Mylai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re not being &quot;peer&quot; pressured into buying one new/hip/cutting edge kind of sh*t we&#039;re being pressured into buying another new/hip/cutting edge kind of sh*t.



It would be pure genius if this &quot;global warming&quot; was simply the marketing/advertising money-making tool.



Pure genius.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re not being &#8220;peer&#8221; pressured into buying one new/hip/cutting edge kind of sh*t we&#8217;re being pressured into buying another new/hip/cutting edge kind of sh*t.</p>
<p>It would be pure genius if this &#8220;global warming&#8221; was simply the marketing/advertising money-making tool.</p>
<p>Pure genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaakov Watkins</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23144</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaakov Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am selling carbon offsets.  I did not fly 100,000 miles last year that I could have if I were as rich as Al Gore.  I failed to put 40,000 lbs of CO2 into the environment.



That size of carbon offset is available from Terrapass.com for $198, Self.org for $200 and The Center for Environmental Leadership for $240.



I offer a better deal.  For just $150 I will not fly 100,000 miles this year.    What is more, I will donate half of what I get to feed and educate needy orphans.



If there is enough interest, I will refrain from flying 1,000,000 miles this year.  Half of all funds will go to needy orphans.



This is a verifiable reduction in my potential carbon footprint for 2008.  You don&#039;t have to worry about whether a project will actually reduce the carbon footprint.  I can guarantee results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am selling carbon offsets.  I did not fly 100,000 miles last year that I could have if I were as rich as Al Gore.  I failed to put 40,000 lbs of CO2 into the environment.</p>
<p>That size of carbon offset is available from Terrapass.com for $198, Self.org for $200 and The Center for Environmental Leadership for $240.</p>
<p>I offer a better deal.  For just $150 I will not fly 100,000 miles this year.    What is more, I will donate half of what I get to feed and educate needy orphans.</p>
<p>If there is enough interest, I will refrain from flying 1,000,000 miles this year.  Half of all funds will go to needy orphans.</p>
<p>This is a verifiable reduction in my potential carbon footprint for 2008.  You don&#8217;t have to worry about whether a project will actually reduce the carbon footprint.  I can guarantee results.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Hackman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23143</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Hackman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Leah&#039;s statement as well as Dan&#039;s.  If green has become a marketing effort, so be it.  It allows more green products to be available to the public.



When I built a couple of years ago using a lot of green materials, it was really hard since finding them in my area was next to impossible.  Now, there are so many wonderful products out there because people are receptive to them.



I am not going to deny that there is overconsumption and people will say they are green as a status symbol.



However, I also believe people are going to consume no matter what and telling people not to is naive.  At least they will be buying green, which one more step that they may not have done before.



Would I like people to buy in moderation and reuse what already is?  Absolutely. However, everyone has their own priorities and agendas whether the rest of us like it not.



Like Leah, I started a blog, http//:www.green-talk.com to help people to build green from my own experiences.  It has morphed into more of a green living site. I try and alert people to reusing and recycling based upon my own experiences. I can only hope that some people who read my blog will learn by my way of life and try changing theirs. I know I have learned a lot from my own readers.



So, if I am considered an EcoMom, then I join the crowd, but without the preaching.



Like Dan said, baby steps for now as well providing choices.   You get a lot more done with honey than vingear.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Leah&#8217;s statement as well as Dan&#8217;s.  If green has become a marketing effort, so be it.  It allows more green products to be available to the public.</p>
<p>When I built a couple of years ago using a lot of green materials, it was really hard since finding them in my area was next to impossible.  Now, there are so many wonderful products out there because people are receptive to them.</p>
<p>I am not going to deny that there is overconsumption and people will say they are green as a status symbol.</p>
<p>However, I also believe people are going to consume no matter what and telling people not to is naive.  At least they will be buying green, which one more step that they may not have done before.</p>
<p>Would I like people to buy in moderation and reuse what already is?  Absolutely. However, everyone has their own priorities and agendas whether the rest of us like it not.</p>
<p>Like Leah, I started a blog, http//:www.green-talk.com to help people to build green from my own experiences.  It has morphed into more of a green living site. I try and alert people to reusing and recycling based upon my own experiences. I can only hope that some people who read my blog will learn by my way of life and try changing theirs. I know I have learned a lot from my own readers.</p>
<p>So, if I am considered an EcoMom, then I join the crowd, but without the preaching.</p>
<p>Like Dan said, baby steps for now as well providing choices.   You get a lot more done with honey than vingear.</p>
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		<title>By: travelina</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23142</link>
		<dc:creator>travelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You mean you don&#039;t pocket-mulch?&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF01&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF01&lt;/a&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You mean you don&#8217;t pocket-mulch?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF01" rel="nofollow">http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF01</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Wong</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/beware_of_the_ecomoms/#comment-23141</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone consumed less, we would have a recession and a lot of people would be poorer and more deprived.

What a strange contradiction.



Damned if we do, damned if we don&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone consumed less, we would have a recession and a lot of people would be poorer and more deprived.</p>
<p>What a strange contradiction.</p>
<p>Damned if we do, damned if we don&#8217;t.</p>
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