Comments on: Baghdad Dispatch: The Wall http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:41:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rufus http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8249 Rufus Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:37:38 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8249 Yes, Magus, Thank God you do. Yes, Magus, Thank God you do.

]]> By: jharek http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8248 jharek Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:24:24 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8248 no magus, that never occurred to me, can you post the source of your 600,000 civilian figure , and for balance, civilian casualty figures caused by insurgent groups. no magus, that never occurred to me, can you post the source of your 600,000 civilian figure , and for balance, civilian casualty figures caused by insurgent groups.

]]> By: Noliving http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8247 Noliving Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:18:25 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8247 Northern magus, if you actually research the vietnam war you will see that the USA was actually winning that war militarily, also a North Vietnamese general even said that the USA was winning the war. As for iraq, 3,300 over the course of 4 years is not that much, USA lost over 5k during dday and over 3k in pearl harbor, if anything the the USA military suffering 3,300 dead is not that much. Sure its a tragedy but in terms of 3,300 being a number that means the USA is suffering high causalties it is not. As for the 600k civilians killed, that study has already been proven inaccurate and the people that were in charge of that study refuse to back up their claims. Also northern magus I don't think you realize the importance of a wall militarily and how it affects security. Northern magus, if you actually research the vietnam war you will see that the USA was actually winning that war militarily, also a North Vietnamese general even said that the USA was winning the war.

As for iraq, 3,300 over the course of 4 years is not that much, USA lost over 5k during dday and over 3k in pearl harbor, if anything the the USA military suffering 3,300 dead is not that much. Sure its a tragedy but in terms of 3,300 being a number that means the USA is suffering high causalties it is not.

As for the 600k civilians killed, that study has already been proven inaccurate and the people that were in charge of that study refuse to back up their claims.

Also northern magus I don’t think you realize the importance of a wall militarily and how it affects security.

]]> By: Northern Magus http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8246 Northern Magus Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:41:25 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8246 I thought you Americans went into Iraq to "win hearts and minds" and build democracy. Now you're building walls. Hmmmm, does it never occur to you that your mission which has killed more than 3,300 of your own soldiers and more than 600,000 (democratic?) Iraqi civillians is an even greater failure than your tragic blunder in Vietnam? Thank God I live in Canada. I thought you Americans went into Iraq to “win hearts and minds” and build democracy. Now you’re building walls. Hmmmm, does it never occur to you that your mission which has killed more than 3,300 of your own soldiers and more than 600,000 (democratic?) Iraqi civillians is an even greater failure than your tragic blunder in Vietnam?
Thank God I live in Canada.

]]> By: David http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8245 David Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:31:30 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8245 Is it too much to ask at least some part of the Iraqi political leadership to stand up and defend this initiative? The program was obviously cleared by the Iraqi military and government in advance and will dramatically enhance the safety of all citizens of Bagadad. Yet,when it becomes controversial (for what seem like idiotic reasons), Iraqi politicians behave like American Congressmen. Please, Do as we advice, not as we do!! Is it too much to ask at least some part of the Iraqi political leadership to stand up and defend this initiative? The program was obviously cleared by the Iraqi military and government in advance and will dramatically enhance the safety of all citizens of Bagadad. Yet,when it becomes controversial (for what seem like idiotic reasons), Iraqi politicians behave like American Congressmen. Please, Do as we advice, not as we do!!

]]> By: Scott Isaacs http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8244 Scott Isaacs Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:50:26 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8244 I think this is one of the better ideas I have observed to multiply the force of a badly overtaxed military. While I have argued since before the war that the US should use 500K soldiers, it's pretty clear the US administration has no intention of doing such a thing. Therefore, if we must remain (and it looks like we must because the President refuses to leave and the opposition doesn't have enough votes to override him), we need to use things like this wall to achieve our objectives in country. BTW, love the blog. I think this is one of the better ideas I have observed to multiply the force of a badly overtaxed military. While I have argued since before the war that the US should use 500K soldiers, it’s pretty clear the US administration has no intention of doing such a thing. Therefore, if we must remain (and it looks like we must because the President refuses to leave and the opposition doesn’t have enough votes to override him), we need to use things like this wall to achieve our objectives in country.

BTW, love the blog.

]]> By: bray http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8243 bray Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:19:51 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8243 Thank you for your insight. You are really providing a great service. Thank you for your insight. You are really providing a great service.

]]> By: Tmal http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8242 Tmal Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:34:12 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8242 Besides all the mentioned points of improoving security there is another one. I hope it gives iraqies some more jobs that can can be usefull in occupaing young jobless males, which also can lead to improoving security. Besides all the mentioned points of improoving security there is another one. I hope it gives iraqies some more jobs that can can be usefull in occupaing young jobless males, which also can lead to improoving security.

]]> By: Purple Avenger http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8241 Purple Avenger Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:55:49 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8241 The state of Florida is full of gated walled communities. The state of Florida is full of gated walled communities.

]]> By: Noliving http://pjmedia.com/blog/baghdad_dispatch_imposing_law_1/#comment-8240 Noliving Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:46:55 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/baghdad-dispatch-the-wall/#comment-8240 Actually jamal you could argue that the wall in israel does work, in fact suicide attacks after the wall went underconstruction have dropped significantly, if you go by what israel says it can range from 90-95%, other sources show its in the 80% range, for the berlin wall your confusing its sole purpose, to prevent east german's crossing the border to west germany. This wall that is being built isn't going to stop movement at all, what it is going to do is force certain areas to be the only way in or out, for example most neighborhoods don't have walls as such people can move in freely in and out 360 degrees around that community, that is hard to monitor and requires a lot of man power to enforce, by building a wall your forcing people to head to the only openings by doing so you can control who enters and leaves, this means that less manpower is needed to do the same job, while at the same time it forces the people that wish to do harm(insurgents/terriosts) to those areas, which means its easier to force the insurgents/terriosts to fight on the terms of americans and iraqi security forces. By doing it this way its much harder for the insurgetns/terriosts to get into the heart or even just the city if not impossible undetected and be able to carry out attacks or set up roadside bombs. If they manage to do breakthrough it gives pretty much the location away of the insurgents/terriosts making it an early warning system for security forces and americans. Downsides is that the people that are in the area of the circle "might" have less contact with the community outside of it, the checkpoints are also big targets if they caues lines of traffic. Basically in the end walls force violence to only certain areas, and because its only at certain areas you are already ready or expecting an attack and as such any attacks carried out would be less deadly, which makes it much easier to deal with rather then having to deal with 360 degree threat. Because it is easier to deal with the chances of the violence ending or reducing also dies down because they can no longer be able to get the same type of success or access to their targets which will cause them to move onto easier targets. If you don't believe me that walls don't add security just look at any home or building, can someone just walk into your house from any side? nope, why? because there are walls blocking that intruder, what about doors? If they are locked they also become like a wall and if they are unlocked they act a like a checkpoint they force people to those areas of the house and as such you only have to guard that door, the only wall that doesn't provide as much security would be a windows much easier to breakthrough but also will cause a lot of noise alerting you to the presence of an intruder. Literally when you think about it, almost 90% of the security your home or apartment offers you is because of the walls that surrond you preventing people easy access. Actually jamal you could argue that the wall in israel does work, in fact suicide attacks after the wall went underconstruction have dropped significantly, if you go by what israel says it can range from 90-95%, other sources show its in the 80% range, for the berlin wall your confusing its sole purpose, to prevent east german’s crossing the border to west germany. This wall that is being built isn’t going to stop movement at all, what it is going to do is force certain areas to be the only way in or out, for example most neighborhoods don’t have walls as such people can move in freely in and out 360 degrees around that community, that is hard to monitor and requires a lot of man power to enforce, by building a wall your forcing people to head to the only openings by doing so you can control who enters and leaves, this means that less manpower is needed to do the same job, while at the same time it forces the people that wish to do harm(insurgents/terriosts) to those areas, which means its easier to force the insurgents/terriosts to fight on the terms of americans and iraqi security forces. By doing it this way its much harder for the insurgetns/terriosts to get into the heart or even just the city if not impossible undetected and be able to carry out attacks or set up roadside bombs. If they manage to do breakthrough it gives pretty much the location away of the insurgents/terriosts making it an early warning system for security forces and americans. Downsides is that the people that are in the area of the circle “might” have less contact with the community outside of it, the checkpoints are also big targets if they caues lines of traffic.

Basically in the end walls force violence to only certain areas, and because its only at certain areas you are already ready or expecting an attack and as such any attacks carried out would be less deadly, which makes it much easier to deal with rather then having to deal with 360 degree threat. Because it is easier to deal with the chances of the violence ending or reducing also dies down because they can no longer be able to get the same type of success or access to their targets which will cause them to move onto easier targets.

If you don’t believe me that walls don’t add security just look at any home or building, can someone just walk into your house from any side? nope, why? because there are walls blocking that intruder, what about doors? If they are locked they also become like a wall and if they are unlocked they act a like a checkpoint they force people to those areas of the house and as such you only have to guard that door, the only wall that doesn’t provide as much security would be a windows much easier to breakthrough but also will cause a lot of noise alerting you to the presence of an intruder. Literally when you think about it, almost 90% of the security your home or apartment offers you is because of the walls that surrond you preventing people easy access.

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