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		<title>By: The Historian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/auto-bailout-hits-the-skids/#comment-169490</link>
		<dc:creator>The Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIG THREE &amp; UAW: CHANGE BEHAVIOR OR DISAPPEAR
The answer is not bailouts or bridge loans.  Without drastic change, the auto industry is a cause without a future:

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/us-auto-industry-cause-without-future.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIG THREE &amp; UAW: CHANGE BEHAVIOR OR DISAPPEAR<br />
The answer is not bailouts or bridge loans.  Without drastic change, the auto industry is a cause without a future:</p>
<p><a href="http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/us-auto-industry-cause-without-future.html" rel="nofollow">http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/12/us-auto-industry-cause-without-future.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/auto-bailout-hits-the-skids/#comment-169122</link>
		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost track of the auto industry.  Are they using Just-in-Time technology?  Are they using Total Quality systems?  If every plant uses these, they&#039;ll be in good shape.  

The problem with these systems is that the WHITE COLLAR employees resent the fact that when some mistakes (or laziness) are detected, they point straight at them and not at the assembly lines.  So they go back to outdated systems.

That&#039;s why Japanese cars can be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lost track of the auto industry.  Are they using Just-in-Time technology?  Are they using Total Quality systems?  If every plant uses these, they&#8217;ll be in good shape.  </p>
<p>The problem with these systems is that the WHITE COLLAR employees resent the fact that when some mistakes (or laziness) are detected, they point straight at them and not at the assembly lines.  So they go back to outdated systems.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Japanese cars can be better.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/auto-bailout-hits-the-skids/#comment-169011</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in favor of any sort of bailout.  I for one want to see my share of the $700 million TARP going to good use.  If that means giving Detroit a loan, so be it.  I&#039;d rather see that happen than have one of our core industries fall apart and cause a nasty ripple in our already fragile economy.  

But why don&#039;t some of our elected officials get that?  Why can&#039;t they put pandering and partisanship aside for the greater good, if just temporarily?  Let&#039;s work things out for the greater good before we create more hardship on ordinary folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in favor of any sort of bailout.  I for one want to see my share of the $700 million TARP going to good use.  If that means giving Detroit a loan, so be it.  I&#8217;d rather see that happen than have one of our core industries fall apart and cause a nasty ripple in our already fragile economy.  </p>
<p>But why don&#8217;t some of our elected officials get that?  Why can&#8217;t they put pandering and partisanship aside for the greater good, if just temporarily?  Let&#8217;s work things out for the greater good before we create more hardship on ordinary folks.</p>
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		<title>By: lance</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/auto-bailout-hits-the-skids/#comment-168847</link>
		<dc:creator>lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All gonna say is.  I will not purchase another Detroit based vehicle.  NO matter how good they claim to be now.

All do is support the union.  I dont really care about the poor automaker employee.  Tough they had it good for 

many years.   Finally over..  they UAW are not being reasonable.  My lexus is  a great car and looking forward

to the next one.   My Corvette is crap,  and so is the Ford F250........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All gonna say is.  I will not purchase another Detroit based vehicle.  NO matter how good they claim to be now.</p>
<p>All do is support the union.  I dont really care about the poor automaker employee.  Tough they had it good for </p>
<p>many years.   Finally over..  they UAW are not being reasonable.  My lexus is  a great car and looking forward</p>
<p>to the next one.   My Corvette is crap,  and so is the Ford F250&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinking Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve ever wanted to know what a labor contract REALLY looks like, here you go.........                                                     http://laborpains.org/2008/12/12/22-pounds-uaw-rules-and-regulations/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve ever wanted to know what a labor contract REALLY looks like, here you go&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;                                                     <a href="http://laborpains.org/2008/12/12/22-pounds-uaw-rules-and-regulations/" rel="nofollow">http://laborpains.org/2008/12/12/22-pounds-uaw-rules-and-regulations/</a></p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>44. Debbie:

Very impressive Myths and Realities.

So, what&#039;s the problem and the solutions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>44. Debbie:</p>
<p>Very impressive Myths and Realities.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s the problem and the solutions?</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MARK PHELAN

The debate over aid to the Detroit-based automakers is awash with half-truths and misrepresentations that are endlessly repeated by everyone from members of Congress to journalists. Here are seven myths about the companies and their vehicles, and the reality in each case.

Myth No. 1: Nobody buys their vehicles

Reality: General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC sold 8.5 million vehicles in the United States last year and millions more around the world. GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the United States last year and holds a U.S. lead over Toyota of nearly 700,000 so far this year. Globally, GM in 2007 remained the world&#039;s largest automaker, selling 9,369,524 vehicles worldwide -- about 3,000 more than Toyota.

Ford outsold Honda by about 850,000 and Nissan by more than 1.3 million vehicles in the United States last year.

Chrysler sold more vehicles here than Nissan and Hyundai combined in 2007 and so far this year.

Myth No. 2: They build unreliable junk

Reality: The creaky, leaky vehicles of the 1980s and &#039;90s are long gone. Consumer Reports recently found that &quot;Ford&#039;s reliability is now on par with good Japanese automakers.&quot;

The independent J.D. Power Initial Quality Study scored Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Ford, GMC, Mercury, Pontiac and Lincoln brands&#039; overall quality as high as or higher than that of Acura, Audi, BMW, Honda, Nissan, Scion, Volkswagen and Volvo.

J.D. Power rated the Chevrolet Malibu the highest-quality midsize sedan. Both the Malibu and Ford Fusion scored better than the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.

Myth No. 3: They build gas-guzzlers

Reality: All of the Detroit Three build midsize sedans that the Environmental Protection Agency rates at 29-33 miles per gallon on the highway.

The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Malibu gets 33 m.p.g. on the highway, 2 m.p.g. better than the best Honda Accord. The most fuel-efficient Ford Focus has the same highway fuel economy ratings as the most efficient Toyota Corolla. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Cobalt has the same city fuel economy and better highway fuel economy than the most efficient non-hybrid Honda Civic.

A recent study by Edmunds.com found that the Chevrolet Aveo subcompact is the least expensive car to buy and operate.

Myth No. 4: They already got a $25-billion bailout

Reality: None of that money has been lent out and may not be for more than a year. In addition, it can, by law, be used only to invest in future vehicles and technology, so it has no effect on the shortage of operating cash the companies face because of the economic slowdown that&#039;s killing them now.

Myth No. 5: GM, Ford and Chrysler are idiots for investing in pickups and SUVs

Reality: The domestics&#039; lineup has been truck-heavy, but Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have spent billions of dollars on pickups and SUVs because trucks are a large and historically profitable part of the auto industry.

The most fuel-efficient full-size pickups from GM, Ford and Chrysler all have higher EPA fuel-economy ratings than Toyota and Nissan&#039;s full-size pickups.

Myth No. 6: They don&#039;t build hybrids

Reality: The Detroit Three got into the hybrid business late, but Ford and GM each now offers more hybrid models than Honda or Nissan, with several more due to hit the road in early 2009.

Myth No. 7: Their union workers are lazy and overpaid

Reality: Chrysler tied Toyota as the most productive automaker in North America this year, according to the Harbour Report on manufacturing, which measures the amount of work done per employee. Eight of the 10 most productive vehicle assembly plants in North America belong to Chrysler, Ford or GM.

The oft-cited $70-an-hour wage and benefit figure for UAW workers inaccurately adds benefits that millions of retirees get to the pay of current workers, but divides the total only by current employees. That&#039;s like assuming you get your parents&#039; retirement and Social Security benefits in addition to your own income.

Hourly pay for assembly line workers tops out around $28; benefits add about $14. New hires at the Detroit Three get $14 an hour. There&#039;s no pension or health care when they retire, but benefits raise their total hourly compensation to $29 while they&#039;re working. UAW wages are now comparable with Toyota workers, according to a Free Press analysis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MARK PHELAN</p>
<p>The debate over aid to the Detroit-based automakers is awash with half-truths and misrepresentations that are endlessly repeated by everyone from members of Congress to journalists. Here are seven myths about the companies and their vehicles, and the reality in each case.</p>
<p>Myth No. 1: Nobody buys their vehicles</p>
<p>Reality: General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC sold 8.5 million vehicles in the United States last year and millions more around the world. GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the United States last year and holds a U.S. lead over Toyota of nearly 700,000 so far this year. Globally, GM in 2007 remained the world&#8217;s largest automaker, selling 9,369,524 vehicles worldwide &#8212; about 3,000 more than Toyota.</p>
<p>Ford outsold Honda by about 850,000 and Nissan by more than 1.3 million vehicles in the United States last year.</p>
<p>Chrysler sold more vehicles here than Nissan and Hyundai combined in 2007 and so far this year.</p>
<p>Myth No. 2: They build unreliable junk</p>
<p>Reality: The creaky, leaky vehicles of the 1980s and &#8217;90s are long gone. Consumer Reports recently found that &#8220;Ford&#8217;s reliability is now on par with good Japanese automakers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The independent J.D. Power Initial Quality Study scored Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Ford, GMC, Mercury, Pontiac and Lincoln brands&#8217; overall quality as high as or higher than that of Acura, Audi, BMW, Honda, Nissan, Scion, Volkswagen and Volvo.</p>
<p>J.D. Power rated the Chevrolet Malibu the highest-quality midsize sedan. Both the Malibu and Ford Fusion scored better than the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.</p>
<p>Myth No. 3: They build gas-guzzlers</p>
<p>Reality: All of the Detroit Three build midsize sedans that the Environmental Protection Agency rates at 29-33 miles per gallon on the highway.</p>
<p>The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Malibu gets 33 m.p.g. on the highway, 2 m.p.g. better than the best Honda Accord. The most fuel-efficient Ford Focus has the same highway fuel economy ratings as the most efficient Toyota Corolla. The most fuel-efficient Chevrolet Cobalt has the same city fuel economy and better highway fuel economy than the most efficient non-hybrid Honda Civic.</p>
<p>A recent study by Edmunds.com found that the Chevrolet Aveo subcompact is the least expensive car to buy and operate.</p>
<p>Myth No. 4: They already got a $25-billion bailout</p>
<p>Reality: None of that money has been lent out and may not be for more than a year. In addition, it can, by law, be used only to invest in future vehicles and technology, so it has no effect on the shortage of operating cash the companies face because of the economic slowdown that&#8217;s killing them now.</p>
<p>Myth No. 5: GM, Ford and Chrysler are idiots for investing in pickups and SUVs</p>
<p>Reality: The domestics&#8217; lineup has been truck-heavy, but Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have spent billions of dollars on pickups and SUVs because trucks are a large and historically profitable part of the auto industry.</p>
<p>The most fuel-efficient full-size pickups from GM, Ford and Chrysler all have higher EPA fuel-economy ratings than Toyota and Nissan&#8217;s full-size pickups.</p>
<p>Myth No. 6: They don&#8217;t build hybrids</p>
<p>Reality: The Detroit Three got into the hybrid business late, but Ford and GM each now offers more hybrid models than Honda or Nissan, with several more due to hit the road in early 2009.</p>
<p>Myth No. 7: Their union workers are lazy and overpaid</p>
<p>Reality: Chrysler tied Toyota as the most productive automaker in North America this year, according to the Harbour Report on manufacturing, which measures the amount of work done per employee. Eight of the 10 most productive vehicle assembly plants in North America belong to Chrysler, Ford or GM.</p>
<p>The oft-cited $70-an-hour wage and benefit figure for UAW workers inaccurately adds benefits that millions of retirees get to the pay of current workers, but divides the total only by current employees. That&#8217;s like assuming you get your parents&#8217; retirement and Social Security benefits in addition to your own income.</p>
<p>Hourly pay for assembly line workers tops out around $28; benefits add about $14. New hires at the Detroit Three get $14 an hour. There&#8217;s no pension or health care when they retire, but benefits raise their total hourly compensation to $29 while they&#8217;re working. UAW wages are now comparable with Toyota workers, according to a Free Press analysis</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides Pat, what makes you think that the bailout would even cause them to avert bankruptcy?  If we end up in the same place six months from now, it&#039;s a total loss for America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides Pat, what makes you think that the bailout would even cause them to avert bankruptcy?  If we end up in the same place six months from now, it&#8217;s a total loss for America.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinking Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat J...You might enjoy knowing your taxes go to subsidize union workers who make a tidy sum, cushy healthcare and a fat retirement, but I&#039;d like to keep that for my own family&#039;s needs. Causing the big 3 to file Chapter 11 will not automatically close their doors. It hasn&#039;t for any other industry has it (ie airlines, steel factories, etc). They will be FORCED to streamline and rewrite contracts which will benefit them AND us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat J&#8230;You might enjoy knowing your taxes go to subsidize union workers who make a tidy sum, cushy healthcare and a fat retirement, but I&#8217;d like to keep that for my own family&#8217;s needs. Causing the big 3 to file Chapter 11 will not automatically close their doors. It hasn&#8217;t for any other industry has it (ie airlines, steel factories, etc). They will be FORCED to streamline and rewrite contracts which will benefit them AND us.</p>
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		<title>By: Watching from below</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watching from below</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>38.  I kind of wonder about that myself.  How come the economy came crashing down just so terribly suddenly?  I mean why now?  About the Detroit 3 not making vehicles people want to buy--of the top 10 selling models, 5 are traditional US brands, Ford and Chevrolet.  If you were to combine models off the same platform, like Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan, and the things made off Chevy Impala, you&#039;d find that 9 of the top 15 are from the Detroit 3.Why did Toyota make $17 Billion off the same number of vehicles world wide that GM lost $38 Billion?  Yeah, WHY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>38.  I kind of wonder about that myself.  How come the economy came crashing down just so terribly suddenly?  I mean why now?  About the Detroit 3 not making vehicles people want to buy&#8211;of the top 10 selling models, 5 are traditional US brands, Ford and Chevrolet.  If you were to combine models off the same platform, like Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan, and the things made off Chevy Impala, you&#8217;d find that 9 of the top 15 are from the Detroit 3.Why did Toyota make $17 Billion off the same number of vehicles world wide that GM lost $38 Billion?  Yeah, WHY?</p>
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