This says all what I was trying to say:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1222017478904

Regards

David

You talk about creating a politial movement, we have lawful protests like 9/11/2007 in Brussells banned, or Cities against Mosques such as in Cologne opposed by the Mayor and he called in the black clad far left storm troopers to make sure of it and German police stood by while people who were attending this were turned away or beaten up, like a French Jew who had his ribs broken.

How on earth do you organise in that, take Geert Wilders, oddly a technical fault cuts off his speach in the Dutch Parliment and then is solved just as he finishes.

I know HarrysPlace, I know that David T has been involved with extreme left anti-Fascist groups, even though at this point he is very focussed on certain Islamic groups in the UK and I respect him for that.

Well…, its one I struggle with myself, I happen to think that Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam, I actually feel sorry for them especially the women, but does the life of my children have to be destroyed because we cannot make tough choices to deal with this extremism called Islam, actually its too late for deportation in my view, but a block on immigration may perhaps give my children an extra 10 years of freedom before the wheels fall off.

David – If I truly believed that America was about to become Islamized, with Shariah criminal laws, burkas, allah akbar and all that, I would have to fight that apartheid/slaveholding system to the death. Based on my opposition to slavery, Islamist fascism and my beliefs about equal rights, I personally could only choose death over state-imposed Islam.

But if people decide to fight, they have to fight the right people! Focus on the people who are in charge of the Sharia brigade, don’t focus on the local greengrocer.

Europe is not at the ‘fighting’ stage right now. Islamisation could be a threat in the future, but it isn’t a threat right now. Gulf state efforts to Islamize Europe are still in the politically manipulative stage. This is currently a war of diplomacy, words. They push, and no one in Europe pushes back. It makes sense to put together a citizens’ effort to push back politically (because the governments probably aren’t going to do anything), but go after the right people. Inciting civil wars and mob riots by kicking business owners, housewives and children out of their homes is strategically and tactically nonsensical. It just doesn’t make sense to deport people because they’re Muslim. This will make the situation worse, not better. It will empower the fascist Saudis, Iranians, and Emirates princes who are leading the charge for Islamization, and it will empower your local fascist demagogue. (a fact that they are well aware of). When the civil wars are over and your cities are destroyed, you’ll still have some form of fascist around, and they’re not so easy to get rid of.

Authoritarian Islam and National Socialism are natural allies. Our local KKK fascists, led by David Duke, oppose immigration, but they, like Strache, support Iran and the Palestinians, because they all hate the Jews. Our local Stormfront members are a little more open about their anti-Semitism than European groups, but they don’t share Europe’s history or hate speech laws. Also, we’re more aware of it because they write in English.

According to this report, the FPO’s front organisation “Aula” contains antisemitic propaganda. It doesn’t make sense to use European fascists to fight Islamofascism when they’re both on the same side.

The choice is now between Islaminisation or try to find someone who will stand up against it no matter who that is, so on your ideals if I decide to stay in France I guess I better convert, Allah Akbar and all that… So your choice is that fighting is bad and that I might as well surrender which is what so many Americans accuse us of with dare I say it correct distaste for us wimpy Europeans.

No I hate National Socialists, but while I think there is a way back from Fascism, there is no way back from ISLAM!

Its not the UK or France Government that matters so much (except for France’s policy on developing a the Med), its the International Socialism at the core of the EU.

Which of the mainstream parties is doing anything to deal with the Islamisation of Europe, none of them…

You sidestepped Mr.Krog’s statement with a partial truth. That is still a lie.

“The Times article you link says no such thing as that the FPÖ “seeks to bring back Nazi symbols and salutes”

Henrik – are you talking about the article titled “Austrian voters support party that wants to bring back Nazi symbols”?”

The title and the substance of the article are not coherent. The article is just as Mr.Krog suggests. And there should be freedom of expression for all people of this planet.

Jim

Forced deportation of people based on their religious or ethnic heritage will bring civil war sooner than later. So, if those are the only two choices, there is no choice at all.

But there are always alternatives. As you said, a lot of the problems are caused by European government policies. Your governments are not paying attention to the rights of all citizens. For whatever reason (probably the lure of petrodollars) they’re allowing Muslims to be more equal than all others, and that’s what needs to change. The Guardian Angels shamed the NYC government into doing something about crime. I don’t know enough about the UK or the French government to know how to get their attention, to let them know that their power is being threatened by their policies.

The FPO’s ‘Ausländer Raus!’ solution is not a solution. If voters think that their only choice is between parties that are multi-culti-pacifist or kind-of-fascist, most people will probably vote for the pacifists. At least the weak pacifists are not promising immediate unrest and destruction.

People need other, more pragmatic alternatives.

All of this parties positions and its leadership are consistent with the nazis – from the nazi symbols to the jewish conspiracy theories and bigoted remarks the “Freedom Party” has promulgated. There are no excuses. It’s the “Pure Arian” policy as usual in Europe. The islamists and these neo-nazis deserve one another.