Are Two Constitutional Crises on the Way?
On January 31, Judge Vinson of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Florida, Pensacola Division, held the mandatory insurance provisions of ObamaCare unconstitutional as beyond the power of the federal government under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. Finding that key part of the law inseparable from the rest, he held the whole thing void. He declined to grant an injunction to bar its continued enforcement since:
There is no reason to conclude that … [the] presumption [that the federal government will not ignore a federal court decision and proceed as though it had not been issued] should not apply here. Thus, the award of declaratory relief is adequate and separate injunctive relief is not necessary.
The federal government has not yet sought a stay, and the plaintiffs in the Florida case have not yet renewed their request for injunctive relief. Either or both of those things may well happen soon. In the meantime, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen of Wisconsin has stated:
Judge Vinson declared the health care law void and stated in his decision that a declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction. This means that, for Wisconsin, the federal health care law is dead — unless and until it is revived by an appellate court. Effectively, Wisconsin was relieved of any obligations or duties that were created under terms of the federal health care law. What that means in a practical sense is a discussion I’ll have in confidence with Governor Walker, as the State’s counsel.
Others have or will likely take a similar position, and senators from Wyoming and South Carolina have introduced bills in the Senate to permit states to opt out.
The Florida decision presents some problems beyond the failure thus far of the Obama administration to comply with it. Ordinarily, the ruling of a federal district court judge is effective only within the geographic limits of his district; the ruling of a court of appeals is ordinarily effective only within the geographic limits of the judicial circuit, and only the Supreme Court is generally empowered to issue rulings binding throughout the United States. This case, however, may well be different since twenty-six states — Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming — joined as parties plaintiff. All but Florida are outside the geographical limits of Judge Vinson’s court.
Were I representing Wisconsin in this matter, I would probably take the positions (1) that Judge Vinson’s January 31st decision is binding on all of the parties plaintiff, including Wisconsin, as well as on the defendant Department of Health and Human Services; (2) that the twenty-six states are no less obliged to comply with the decision than they would have been obliged to comply with a different decision (3); that they therefore cannot lawfully expend state or federal funds or utilize other resources to implement Obamacare; and (4) that until stayed or reversed, Judge Vinson’s decision binds the defendant to refrain from implementing any part of ObamaCare in the twenty-six states which were plaintiffs in the action. The law is less than clear and this argument might be in error. However, I have not yet been able to find any case on point. There may be some judicial pronouncements soon.
Senator Durbin of the Senate Judiciary Committee was asked whether the Obama administration should stop implementing ObamaCare. Ignoring Judge Vinson’s stated reason why an injunction was unnecessary, he responded:
Personally, I don’t, because the judge was asked for an injunction, and he didn’t rule that there would be one. So he hasn’t enjoined any conduct or activity. At this point, we have 16 courts that have considered this case. Twelve of them have dismissed the complaint initially, on procedural grounds. Of the four courts that took up the substance of the Affordable Health Care Act, which you call Obamacare, they split. … Two said it was constitutional, two said it was not, and Vinson in Florida, Judge Vinson, Monday had a chance to not only decide whether it was constitutional but to issue an injunction. He didn’t do that.
The Obama administration seems, for the moment at least, to be acting consistently with Senator Durbin’s view of the matter. It also seems to be acting as it did last year in response to an injunction issued by Judge Feldman of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana on June 2, 2010, against continued enforcement of a drilling moratorium. He then found its issuance arbitrary and capricious for various reasons. Among other things, the moratorium had relied on a specious “peer-reviewed” study claiming that it had been approved by eight scientists who had not in fact approved it; the language to the effect that the moratorium had been approved by the panel of scientists was revealed in November of 2010 to have been inserted by a White House official. The Interior Department sought a stay from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which denied it on July 8. The Department nevertheless continued in effect to enforce the moratorium by issuing a new but substantially identical moratorium with the same flaws and effects as the original. The Department had as of February 2 issued no drilling permits.
On February 2, 2011 Judge Feldman held the Department of the Interior in civil contempt for continuing to enforce the moratorium he had enjoined. Judge Feldman observed:
Each step the government took following the court’s imposition of a preliminary injunction showcases its defiance. … Such dismissive conduct, viewed in tandem with the re-imposition of a second blanket and substantively identical moratorium, and in light of the national importance of this case, provide this court with clear and convincing evidence of the government’s contempt.
Judge Feldman ordered the Department of the Interior to reimburse the plaintiffs’ legal fees, in amounts to be determined.
As Michelle Malkin notes in a National Review article:
Remember: Salazar is the data doctor who falsely claimed that the administration’s blanket-moratorium report was endorsed and peer-reviewed by seven scientific experts — when, in fact, eight of the scientists studying the issue for the government explicitly said they “do not agree with the six-month blanket moratorium” on floating drilling.
Remember: The Interior Department inspector general publicized e-mails in November showing that Salazar’s office and former environmental czar Carol Browner’s office collaborated on the false rewrite of the White House offshore-drilling ban report. While the inspector general found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing and the White House denied any attempt to mislead the public, Feldman pointed out that “at the hearing on the first moratorium, in response to a question by the Court, the government’s answer then was wholly at odds with the story of the misleading text change by a White House official, a story the government does not now dispute.”
Senator Murkowski stated on February 3:
As I stated upon Judge Feldman’s original ruling overturning the moratorium, this is above all a nation of laws. While I was able to understand the administration’s initial reaction in suspending operations, the reality is that the moratorium is essentially still in effect and this directly violates the court’s ruling. There are billions of barrels of oil and millions of jobs — from Alaska to Louisiana — that Americans should be benefiting from. Instead, we’re losing good jobs and paying higher energy prices during a time when Americans are already tightening their budgets.
Today, the Senate Energy Committee is holding a hearing on global oil markets. The turmoil in the Middle East and rising energy prices serve to highlight why the administration cannot continue to slow walk this process, ignoring Congress and the courts. Our national security and national economy are at stake. I applaud the court for holding the Interior Department responsible for ignoring the law.
We may not yet be in a full-blown constitutional crisis, but it may not be far off. The persistent refusal of the executive branch of government to comply with court orders is a serious matter and cannot be countenanced by the courts, by the Congress, or for that matter, by the people. If President Obama, a highly esteemed constitutional scholar and professor of constitutional law (which he is not and has never been), can briefly tear himself from his perch firmly astride the fence as he muddles through the situation in Egypt to have a chat with his attorney general, perhaps there can be a satisfactory solution to this problem. If not, Katie bar the door.






2-2? I have not heard of any case where ObamaCare has been upheld by the courts. I only know of the two fully resolved cases, ruled against the government. Anyone?
Try this link to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Federal_Court_ruling
2-2: it’s not a baseball game, where you tally up the score to see who “wins”. Some decisions are more far-reaching than others. To wit: the sheer number of plaintiffs that joined in the suit, the depth of the analysis provided in the 70-some-odd page decision, and the scope of arguments addressed by both plaintiff, defendant, and judge (e.g. Commerce clause power? Necessary and proper clause extension? reliance on prior SCOTUS jurisprudence? etc).
Judge Vinson’s decision is by far the most thorough analysis of the four, and will carry the most weight during appellate review (when SCOTUS gets around to resolving the “district split” decisions).
Arthur: How do you do, good lady? I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Whose castle is that?
Woman: King of the who?
Arthur: King of the Britons.
Woman: Who are the Britons?
Arthur: Well, we all are. We are all Britons. And I am your king.
Woman: Well I certainly didn’t vote for you.
Arthur: You don’t vote for kings.
That is, until Barrack Obama you don’t
Never forget, you can fool some of the people all of the time;
And you can fool all of the people some of the time;
but in 2012 Obama plans to make a liar out of Lincoln.
“you can fool some of the people all of the time” = registered democrat.
You can fool enough of the people most of the time to overthrow the Constitution, if that’s what you want to do. The only remedy is impeachment, which is something our newly-elected officials seem loath to do. I’m not 100% sure on this, but I think America may be over.
Charlie, I think you’re right. Unfortunately, I think the damage that has been done is well in motion and irreversable. The chaos to follow is going to get ugly and is up to us to deal with. I am a military vet of 23 years and the oath I took to defend the Constitution and our land, I plan to uphold to the death. I won’t go down without a fight!!
I worry that freedom is at risk. However, I also plan to be prepared for the worst and defend the constitution and liberty to the best of my ability. Perhaps, if enough people do not fall for the coming chaos and remain firm our nation will survive.
To ignore definitive court rulings is perfectly consistent with Obama’s self-worship. No doubt his cadre of advisors and assorted sycophants has been telling him that “rules are for the little people, not for a world-historical figure like yourself, Mr. President!”
Don’t expect any changes in this pattern. Hope that Congress and the Supreme Court will stand against Obama, but expect him to attempt to rule by ukase even so. No one will be permitted to stop The Won.
We are going to face two even more extreme constitutional crises:
a) The Obama regime bypassing the House and using federal funds to bail out bankrupt left-wing states like CA, NY, and IL.
b) The massive vote fraud during the 2012 Presidential election that guarantees an Obama victory; and only reported in the MFM as an attempt by evil racist Republicans to disenfranchise minorities; this will force a GOP Congress (which will take the Senate in 2012) to refuse to recognize Obama as President. Obama will retaliate by shutting down conservative media and arresting opposition leaders.
It is hard to see how the above happen without setting off a civil war or even a coup.
While I think many of your points are valid, I find it hysterical that you actually think that we will get even close to the 2012 elections before this all comes to a head.
If there are elections in 2012 at all (which I seriously doubt) they will be on the order of the last election for Saddamn in Iraq – of those who voted the result was > 99% for Saddamn.
We will be in the middle of WWIII long before then.
By no later than July this year, there will be an all-out war in the Middle East which will involve nuclear weapons.
There will be at the very least a serious attempt underway thru chaos and terrorism to perform a coup here both in the cities and across our Southern border to cause Obama to declare Marshall Law and rule by decree. This has been in the works for a long time and the actors have publicly stated that this spring is the start of the revolution.
People had better start to pay attention to what is happening around the world.
Denial now flows from Egypt. When the Khalifah arrives in the land of Pharoah to accolades, this is the sign of the dawn of the Darkest Day.
As you’ve spelled out, there is a perfect storm forming, the forces are in motion, and it’s going to be bad long before November 2012. And it will all end on 12/21/12 per they Mayan calendar.
Note to self, stock up on food & water, reload more ammo.
So you can hold out for a month.
Not to be too pointed, but anybody having a boatload of scarce supplies of what is necessary to eat, drink, keep warm, be safe would become the unending target of roving herds of the displaced and desperate.
Tribal comes to mind. Savages. One would be taking a risk just to fall asleep…who’s gonna watch through the long night?
And we have arrived at this in two short years of hope and change. At least no one can say we’re not tolerant.
Neighborhood groups band together. We saw this in Egypt just last week. Conclusion: get real tight with your neighbors…..
I don’t agree with all of your points, but it is entirely plausible that the criminal regime might encourage a war in the middle east as a way to stay in power. I expected an event in 2010 similar to their tanking of the economy in 2008, but 2012 is even more likely.
They were willing to send the world into a depression in 08 to sieze power. It’s hard to imagine them risking that power on free elections now that they are so close to completing the coup. They will be willing to do a lot more than start a war.
Follow a ruling by a federal judge? Enforce the laws of this country equally? Are you kidding me. Perhaps the media and increasingly the good citizens of this country will STOP giving this rogue administration the benefit of all our serious doubts. Obama a radical! Obama a socialist! Obama and idealogue! Why how impertinent to even suggest such a thing. Only because in each indictment there is ample evidence to prove that he is all of these things. This President has done more damage to this country in two years than anyone in history. It is high time for the people to understand the simple facts. He is a rogue out of control president. His administration is out to seek and destroy our institutions and remake them in his own bizarre and distorted vision. I just hope we are not too late in waking up and resisting this man on ever front. Next stop should be a Contempt of Court decision by the judge. What will they do next?
Problem is, you need a Constitutional government before you can have a Constitutional Crisis. Sorry, who is going to enforce the crisis component? The FBI? I am sorry, I could put another 50 3 letter organizations, who is ACTUALLY going to enforce what you are talking about!?
Sorry, I have had it with every system we have.
Who are we supposed to listen to? What LAWS are we supposed to listen to? F that, I am done with the system. If the system does not enforce the LAW, why do we have to listen to the LAW?!
Our system is done.
You can attempt to say it is still relevant, but it is done. I will no longer listen or pay attention to the system, because the system no longer is a system. It is a system of men instead of LAW.
WHERE IS MY WAIVER?
David, That’s exactly how I feel, and what I’ve been trying to get across to others, but I feel like most people don’t quite understand. Everyone seems to be going along with their lives like there’s no problem which is troublesome to me because nobody is holding the system accountable for what they’re doing to OUR country.
Very few in their right mind would dispute the point that something should be done; problem is with the veritable “how to do it.”
Yes! Waiver is the word the Republicans/Tea Partiers should repeat and repeat and repeat. Everyone needs to understand that Obama and friends want to turn this (actually are part way to turning this) from a nation of laws to a nation of men. A nation where you get nuthin’ unless you are buddies with the ones with power. When I lived in Tokyo, I had a wonderful Philippina who was my nanny. She had–true!–a 5 year college degree in industrial engineering. She could make more money working for me in Tokyo taking care of my kids than she could in Manila in her profession. Reason? Her family did not have an “in” with Marcos….. this always stayed with me…..
PS She eventually got a green card and moved to the US. Where will the talented people of the world want to migrate to if we go down Obama’s path…..
One major point really seems to be missing in the debate about Obamacare and that is THE PEOPLE! You know, those “silly” little humans who have to go vote every two or four years and actually THINK that their votes mean something. The Obama administration is acting as if public opinion means absolutely nothing. Obamacare is clearly unpopular with the vast majority of the American public. If it were not, the elections of November 2010 would not have been as terrible for the Democrats. True, the economy had a lot to do with it, but the Tea Parties, Obamacare, and the feeling that the Federal Government is totally out of control had even MORE to do with it. Yet Obama and his minions act as if November never even happened.
If Obamacare is such a great deal, why didn’t the Democrats run on it and brag about it during the elections? Why is everybody, and I mean everybody, trying to run away from it. And when was the last time something of such monumental proportions that will affect the lives of every person in this country ever, EVER, put up to a vote? Don’t WE have a say in this matter? And even if this law does go to the Supreme Court, experts are now saying that there could be a 5 to 4 decision either way on this. So, a law that will determine the future of this nation, a law that will determine whether or not Federalism is dead, a law that could financially bankrupt this nation, will all come down to the vote of one, single, person?
Ladies and gentlemen, this is NOT the way our Republic is supposed to work. And nowhere, NOWHERE, in the Constitution does it say that we are forced to buy anything or provide insurance for every man, woman, and child in this country. Period. If the Democrats feel so strongly about this, then put it up in a vote in a national referendum or, better yet, try to make a Constitutional Amendment allowing national health care to be run BY the government. And, before all you left-wing trolls out there pile on, YES this should have been done with Social Security AND Medicare as well. The PEOPLE (remember them) should have a direct say in legislation that will shape this country and rule our lives for generations to come. And, also for you left-wingers out there, while we’re talking about finances, how are Social Security AND Medicare (let alone Medicaid) doing these days? And you want to trust the Federal Government with your health insurance? Enough said.
I seriously think that the first item on the next house agenda should be the “powers of the president”. He has too much power for one man in a republic.It must be cut.
At what point will we determine that the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Aveneue has crossed the line from politics into acts that can be assayed as high crimes and misdemeanors?
Not even FDR was stupid or arrogant enough nto defy the Courts.
I am looking forward to a Bill of Indictment on these matters from the House. If that accomplishes nothing else, it will formally articulate Obama’s violations of his oath of office and perhaps moderate his increasingly bizarre behaviors. Hell, he might even resign.
Only two Constitutional crises? You are kidding, right?
There are many more. We’re LUCKY these two are at least agreed to be being put forward by the more sane of us. The lack of enforcement of “Natural Born Citizen” is a bigger crisis since January 2009. The abject Judicial ignorance of any meaningfulness the “for Limited Times” clause is hamstringing invention and innovation. The hyper-expansion of the “Commerce Clause” has been IN CRISIS since the FDR court first allowed it. We can be stopped at random and searched in the course of our daily travels? That’s NOT PERMITTED under the clear words of the Fourth Amendment.
Where’s the respect for the Ninth and Tenth? When the Speaker of the House can respond boldly to a question about Constitutionality, “You’re kidding, right?” We do have a real CRISIS beyond any Tom Paine drum-top scribbling.
Laws and court rulings are for the little people to obey. Obama and his fellow travelers are above such petty things.
And how’s Panama? Nice to be able to retire on some cozy pension borne on the backs of the young too stupid to understand what 50K in long term debt means and write for extra change but not suffer the burden as a resident, eh?
Don’t be jealous. Or even if you ARE jealous, don’t show it so obviously.
Actually I believe it is more than $50K. This # is based on a very conservative estimate of what the federal debt is. And I also believe it does not include state debt…. I seem to recall reading somewhere that $90K is more like it.
Meanwhile, the “o”‘s plan for the destruction of America rolls on. . . .
The Supreme Court needs to reach down and grab both these cases sooner rather than later. Only they can nip this in the bud – or bring it to a head. Wake up.
And if Obama gets one more Supreme Court appointment, it’s really all over.
“We may not yet be in a full-blown constitutional crisis,”
Say what..?
If it isn’t a crisis, what the hell is it when the President and Congress at every opportunity and turn spit in the face of the very people that elected them; and those people cheer them on for doing it?
Since day one that is what Obama has done to the businesses and voters that put him into office; not to mention the entire black race he supposedly represents.
Obama, his administration and Congress could not have cared less about the Constitution, States Rights or what the people wanted when they passed Obamacare into law.
What would make anyone believe or think that Obama would pay any attention to some rinky-dink judge in Florida, an Attorney General of Virginia, the Tea Baggers or anyone else in our country?
America said loud and clear that it wanted change and by damn it got it.
Other than the Conservative talk-shows and extremist right wing places like Pajamas Media I do not see any serious signs that America has learned
anything as a result of electing Obama.
That tells me that things are going to get a lot worse before we either begin to get well as a nation, or completely collapse.
Please have some respect; don’t call the Tea Party, “Tea Baggers”. That is a deriding remark that is a sexual act for homosexuals. Your other points, however, are right on.
Parody Anita.
Think parody.
Then, instead of picking specks of fly dung out of the pepper read the entire paragraph for what it is.
This kind of quick to judge everyone else’s behavior crusading will sink the Tea Party in nothing flat!
No, Get Serious, Anita is right. Despite your making some good points, anyone who at this late date still uses the term “teabaggers” is either intellectually lazy, intentionally insulting, willfully ignorant, or some or all of the above. Why even use an insulting term that detracts from your overall comment? That’s dumb.
This may force Obamba to suspend the constitution, declare a national emergency, martial law and declare himself dictator for life.
Him and what army? Certainly not the US Army and Marine Corps; they’ll side with the Constitution.
He doesnt need Federal Forces…it all starts small with local law enforcement “just doing their job”…..taking your money, your kids, your guns, your property…
Zero tolerance for your kid standing up to a bully in school…Bogus “ex-wife support” payments enforced by local courts….ficticious claims of ‘Domestic Violence” and automatic no proof required “Restraining Orders” issued just for the asking….along with mandatory weapons seisures for ALLEGED violations thereof….telling some petty tyrant to “go pound salt” when they intrude on your freedom is a “terroristic threat”, another weapons seisure excuse…
All these have taken many a man down, and the Fed need not flex a muscle at all…their totalitarian mindset has infected all layers of government, right down to you local Sheriff Dipstick…
For Guys taking any kind of “stand” based on principals these days, its:
“step out of line, the man comes, and takes you away”
Ah, but if the military were not neutral, but actively opposing him, what could he do?
Due to the nature of the federal court system, with its nine separate regional jurisdictions, I suppose the Obama Administration can say that a ruling by a judge within one circuit is non-binding on the state’s within the other eight circuits, just as states not within the Ninth Circuit are free to ignore some of its more eccentric rulings unless and until they are upheld by the Supreme Court. However, the administration’s outright defiance of the ruling against the Gulf offshore drilling ban, by a judge on a matter wholly within his jurisdiction, is far more troubling at the moment, since it shows a White House willing to take it’s ideological battle to heights even Richard Nixon didn’t risk attempting during the most heated parts of the fight over releasing his tapes during Watergate.
Combine this with the pre-emotive attack on the Supreme Court on ObamaCare by Larwrence Tribe in Tuesday’s New York Times, amd is looks like Obama and his crew are planning to first try to intimidate the court into affirming the constitutionality of the health care bill — which would be in line with Obama’s attempt to humiliate the Justices during the 2010 State of the Union speech. The next question will be if that tactic fails, and if the high court also upholds Judge Feldman in the drilling ban fight, will the White House decide to emulate the first truly partisan Democratic president, Andrew Jackson, when he defiantly said “John Marshall has made his decision: now let him enforce it” when Marshall’s Supreme Court handed down a ruling not to Jackson’s liking.
Liberals have pretty much treated court rulings as sacrosanct, especially as they have more and more had to rely on liberal justices to get programs and actions enacted that they couldn’t get passed through the legislative system. But they’ve also shown the ability to turn their morals on a dime over the years when it’s ideologically convenient, so going along with helping Obama launch a constitutional crisis via outright defiance of a future ruling on either issue wouldn’t be a shock. Obama wouldn’t have the nerve to directly say “John Roberts has made his decision: now let him enforce it,” but the message would be the same. Then you’d have to worry about who would encode the high court’s decision with the Justice Department and other federal agencies in the White House’s hands, which recalls another famous quote by a different leader – “How many divisions does the Pope have?”
That decision was an injunction against Jackson’s desire to march the Cherokee down the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma. This is one of Democratism’s proudest moments.
Hey! That just gave me a great idea. If the left don’t respect court decisions, then turnabout is fair play. Let’s start prosecuting abortionists for murder-for-hire, citing the fact that Obama has declared the courts irrelevant.
Then you’d have to worry about who would encode the high court’s decision with the Justice Department and other federal agencies in the White House’s hands, which recalls another famous quote by a different leader – “How many divisions does the Pope have?”
That remark, of course, was made by Stalin.
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Thank you, Mr Miller, for writing this article. It needs to be published in every blog and newspaper to illustrate the recalcitrance of this ‘administration’, and it’s leaders.
I believe, Obama is guilty of insubordination, which, being a ‘Commander in Chief’, is punishable through ‘Courts Martial’.
You have highlighted some very important points of law, that could be used to bind the defiant behavior to these specific individuals.
We may need a Constitutional Crisis, to enlighten many in Congress to their sworn duties. I see no down side to this ‘crisis’.
And ‘crisis’ being Obama’s favorite parlor game, he might welcome it also.
I’d so love to witness the slow burning train wreck of this ‘administration’.
Dan Miller – In addition to contempt of court isn’t there a case of perjury here?
There might be, but who is likely to seek an indictment in what jurisdiction?
And a complementing article at “The American Spectator”:
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/09/justice-scalias-timely-advice
Thanks for insight on what is / has been going on and the implications of it.
So, what can we do? Does Congress have a role in addressing the administration’s ignoring of the courts’ rulings? In my mind this is where impeachment becomes a real option. What has to happen before Congressmen have the guts to impeach?
We must stand up for those who do the right thing in questioning the administration for they will find opposition in the press and from Obama supporters claiming they are on a witchhunt.
I keep hearing about this constitutional crises. What will happen? It seems to me that Obama doesn’t feel he accountable to anyone, especially we the people. Your last line about Obama having a chat with his Attorney General is laughable. Like scum Holder would uphold the Constitution. I don’t see any way out of this. Looks to me like Obama is becoming more and more a dictator and NOT a representative of the people.
Your last line about Obama having a chat with his Attorney General is laughable.
Thanks; it was so intended.
Mr. Miller:
“We may not yet be in a full-blown constitutional crisis, but it may not be far off. The persistent refusal of the executive branch of government to comply with court orders is a serious matter and cannot be countenanced by the courts, by the Congress, or for that matter, by the people.”
I would think that at this point the main man who should not be tolerating this tyrannical action by the Executive would be Judge Feldman.
Now Feldman being on the Federal bench and all, I assume that he knows exactly what to do to some miscreant he finds in contempt of court…issue a warrant for the scoundrel’s arrest. In this instance, I think the most likely suspect would be Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar as well as the head of DoI’s BOERME, this chap:
http://www.boemre.gov/ooc/newweb/directorspage/bromwich.htm
With a duly executed arrest warrant in hand, the US Marshals will have no option but to do their duty and take these two into custody…just like any other mobster or dope-peddler who is found in contempt of court.
These bureaucrats are subject to the law just like anyone else is,(at least in theory).
The Undocumented President would be extremely ill-advised to try interfering with this action, since he would be breaking his Oath of Office by doing so, and would be risking an impeachment proceeding.
Of course, we all realize that the Alleged Hawaiian and his Attorney-General are the biggest criminals of all, with his 20 billion dollar shakedown of BP, (aka “Tony Hayward’s Pre-paid Bail Money”), but when a “Godfather” starts letting his caporegimes and their top lieutenants take the fall for their part in his racket, the mob soon falls apart and the other rats start squealing to save their own hides.
If Judge Feldman uses the customary tools at his disposal to compel obedience to his lawful ruling, then there will be no constitutional crisis. Law trumps executive branch regulations and bureaucratic “slow belling”, and it must be remembered that unlike ObamaCare, no law establishing the Moratorium was passed by the Legislative branch…this was all an Executive branch caper.
The Odministration will conform its conduct to the law, or those who do not will be prosecuted for it.
hope you are correct …I fear that the SOTUS will fail freedom
Fail Freedom?
Theyve done it before, with Dred Scott and Seperate but Equal, Roe, and Kelso, just to name a few…
Nothing to prevent a slim majority of assholes from doing whatever they want, constitutional or not.
We live or die by their decree
“…cannot be countenanced…by the Congress…”
Well, where are the leaders of the opposition in Congress? McConnell; Boehner; DeMint; Ryan; Bachmann: hello?
ANOTHER nail in the impeachment coffin of a president that has no allegiance to his nation!
A question to you lawyers out there: what’s to keep the oil companies and the states, armed with Judge Feldman’s ruling, from just ignoring the administration’s illegal moratorium? Why can’t they just send the crews back out to the rigs and drill, baby drill? If the administration tries to stop them with force, that would precipitate the Constitutional Crisis that can’t, in any conceivable way, help Obama in his faux dance to the middle. I say, go for it and test this administration in the court of public opinion. Dare the administration to enforce an illegal act. Are we a nation of laws, or aren’t we?
As is often the case, the cost would probably exceed the benefits. The leased oil drilling facilities have scattered to the wind and have other jobs far away.
No oil company, not even the evil archvillain ExxonMobil, wants to soak that kind of money into something that could end up being shut down, and get them sideways with the regulators. Especially not when there are other opportunities in business friendlier countries.
If the President fails and/or refuses to require the members of his administration to obey the court’s ruling and if no appeal is filed by HHS and if no stay of the court’s ruling is requested, then there is no alternative to an impeachment of President Obama. Grounds for impeachment are “…high crimes and misdemeanors…” and if refusing to obey the judgement and orders of a Federal court directed at the Federal government are not “high crimes”, then I’ll be damned if I know what is.
Law ? Why would it mean anything to Obama, or any other nazi, fascist, or communist thug. Face it, the WH is in the hands of a group of statist criminals. 2011 & 2012 are going to be interesting years, heck, we may even get lucky and have elections in 2012. Keep your fingers crossed.
I suppose the good news is that the we have not yet reached the situation in Venezuela, where
The president of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, Luisa Estela Morales, “admitted that the laws that have been enacted since 1999 ‘are in response to a clearly established ideological goal.’”
Oh well.
are you sure we are not there ??
the contempt that the obama administration shows for both the constitution and the people indicate that we are there in all practical purposes.
does the SCOTUS need a special sign to intervene?
We have been a lawless land since the Justice Department became a functionary of the Executive and let the Black Panthers off for voter intimidation.
Since we ARE a lawlwss land can the states collectively just start ignoring the Fed and it’s henchmen (i.e. EPA, Interier, etc)?
They can and they should.
Law aside, I feel that the USA is rapidly approaching an energy Armageddon. In general, there are two camps, the “Drill Baby Drill, camp, and the “Green Energy/Climate Change” camp. Both are holding the energy future of this country hostage. To me what’s needed is a balanced and practical approach. Carbon and nuclear has to have priority because there is no practical alternative in the near term, but Green Energy needs to be pursued as well where practical. However, since it takes many many years to plan, design and build the power plants and related infrastructure, we need to start NOW, to avoid catastrophe. I predict that soon, maybe in just a few years, there will be rolling backouts and brownouts along with astronomical energy prices. Most of the citizens do not seem to be too concerned mostly because the vast majority do not have a basic understanding of where their energy comes from and what it takes to supply it, and they are brainwashed with constant progressive energy ideology.
How is the “drill, baby drill” camp holding the energy future hostage? What kind of illogic is that?
“Green” energy would be pursued if it were a moneymaker. It’s not, plain and simple; and it should not be pursued unless it will be.
President Obama is very green, in many respects. Alas and with all due respect to Kermit, It’s not easy being green.
One of them subliminal: the color green being the color of islam.
Constitutional crisis because of these two Court rulings? Are you kidding me?
Barry’s mere presence in the Oval Office constitutes a “constitutional crisis” except nobody is willing to do anything about it. Why? Because the US “establishment” is continuing to be paying “reparations” to the blacks no matter what they do; they have labeled the son of an arab muslim from Kenya as an “American black” gave him the presidency, and granted him immunity from any violations of the Law or the Constitution.
Besides, and more broadly speaking, the notions of a nation’s Law and its Constitution are now dead, relics of an era long gone (11/04/08 already seems like “long time ago”). We’re now living in a new “post-American” World.
The Federal Government is a creation of The States – and We The People. It will be up to We The People (States) to take the smug conceited entity we know as The Fed down to a level where it can be controlled by We The People.
How about an arrest warrant for Salazar from Judge Feldman? Seems a ‘shot across the bow’ of The Fed would be a great start to regaining control. If that doesn’t get the attention it deserves then one for his boss might garner more attention.
K.T. – I’ll go you one better: The Federal government exists because of the Constitution. If the Federal government chooses to ignore the Constitution that has given it life, then the Constitution no longer exists, and so the Federal government should no longer exist. We would become the no longer united States of America.
The House of Representatives should impeach Obama for this. I know it will never get through the Senate, but what you want to do is to threaten to historically stain his Presidency. If the House shows it is serious about this I believe Obama will back down.
these are the games that unions and community organizers use. they are dishonest people …morally bankrupt.
Mr. Miller. Here’s a hypothetical. Now that judge Feldman has found the government in contempt, wouldn’t it be within his discretion to order the President to order the Interior Secretary to comply? And if the President ignored the judge’s order, wouldn’t he be personally in contempt of court?
I’m beginning to realize that Nixon wasn’t so bad after all. He understood when the game was up.
Interesting question and I don’t off-hand know the answer. The action was brought, not against President Obama, but against the Department of the Interior. President Obama is not, personally, a party to the suit. The suit may not give Judge Feldman personal jurisdiction over President Obama.
Regardless of that, I think it would probably be best (and in any event is more likely) for him to give the Secretary of the Interior sufficient opportunity to purge the civil contempt (there will be hearings before a special master to determine the amount of the monetary damages) and, should she ultimately fail to do so by paying up, hold her in criminal contempt.
Judges do not set out to create constitutional crises; crises are bad and they normally try to avoid them. Now, Judge Vinson in Florida may have no choice but to issue an injunction against continued federal implementation of ObamaCare, in the twenty-six states which are parties plaintiff, to replace his declaratory ruling that the mandatory insurance provision is unconstitutional and that the rest of ObamaCare is also void. in view of the intransigence of the Obama administration, that does not seem far fetched.
Dan,
One point not entertained in your article, by not issuing an injunction, but citing law that holds the same premise… Judge Vinson gave holder no injunction to seek relief from. A very intelligent move.
As for the ‘all encompasing’, expansive commerce clause, I want holder to appeal Judge Vinson’s decision. But I prefer to see it bypass the Circuit Court.
The libs missed a valuable opportunity by not repealing zerocare and making Judge Vinson’s decision all but moot. The correct SCOTUS ruling will remove these expansions of the commerce clause. The judge articulated the law to do just that. In paraphrase… “The commerce clause cannot be used to limit an enumerated right guaranteed in the Constitution” Shall not infringe… comes to mind.
Hell, he quoted Hamilton, Madison and Jefferson…. There is not a man dead or alive that is of an authority… greater. Judge Vinson dug out the very documents in answer to two states that had that exact question regarding the possible future government expansion and over reaching of the commerce clause. The words and meaning are irrefutable.
I want that ‘rewritten’ in stone and ‘remade’ as the standard it is. Most of the governments overreaching has been through these expansions. It will slap the governments hands from the states business.
Most every title 18 firearms law, has the element of ‘in or effecting commerce’… without that element… the laws have no Constitutional standing… and perhaps, they will be struck down.
As to the decision not to grant an injunction, I pretty much agree. However, Judge Vinson may have to reconsider his refusal to grant an injunction because of the federal government’s rather obdurate failure to abide by his declaratory ruling; it is currently in effect and has been since issuance. The federal government could persist in its apparent position that the declaratory ruling has no effect, but that would be pretty stupid.
In any event, it seems probable that the federal government will file a notice of appeal within the statutory period (as I recall it’s thirty days) and perhaps seek a stay of the declaratory ruling. If I were a betting man, I would put five dollars on the circuit court’s ultimate denial of the appeal and refusal to stay the effectiveness of the district court decision pending appeal.
I very much doubt that the circuit court will be bypassed. Attorney General Holder certainly won’t seek that. The plaintiffs could request it, but the chances seem very slim that the Supreme Court would accept the case before lower court review has been completed. Justice Ginsburg recently said that she wants to see cases go through the normal appellate process because the Court likes to consider what the lower appellate courts had to say; ordinarily, that gives ample opportunity for the different positions to be illuminated through briefs and oral argument. Points are sometime conceded and positions narrowed through the process. This case may, however, be different because of it’s national importance.
Her view probably reflects that of most members of the Court. Unless expedited consideration is granted for the Virginia federal district ruling of unconstitutionality and the cases are consolidated, which seems unlikely, expedited review of Judge Vinson’s decision seems unlikely as well.
I have a somewhat vague recollection of arguing cases before three judge panels on which Judge Ginsburg sat back when she was a judge on the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. The cases involved rather arcane FCC communications law matters. Some judges appeared to be interested and asked lots of questions, some didn’t. Judge Ginsburg normally did not. Questions from the bench don’t necessarily reveal what a judge thinks but they do give attorneys a wonderful opportunity to respond to concerns. Responding to questions during the ten or fifteen minutes granted to opposing counsel for oral argument is the highest and best use of an attorney’s time. I was usually disappointed with Judge Ginsburg’s failure to ask questions.
Nixon wasn’t so bad after all. He understood when the game was up.
Nixon’s resignation speech specified his loss of support in Congress;
Obama will not -quite- face a majority ready to impeach him, but if he
does, I am not sure he will leave, and what do we do then ?
Obama, a highly esteemed constitutional scholar and professor of constitutional law (which he is not and has never been)…
The law lecturer stood in the Illinois Senate in March 2001 and was…
“…the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would “forbid abortions to take place.” Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, “then this would be an anti-abortion statute.”
Got that? Between the lecturer’s convoluted ears, the infant cannot live lest it be declared a person with 14th amendment protections.
During the latter part of his campaign, the Constitutional genius told us he hoped neither of his daughters would ever be…”punished with a baby”.
Obama only technically “honors” the Constitution when it’s to his perceived advantage or when he’s trying to show off, as he was doing in the Illinois Senate in 2001.
Generally, he finds the antiquated old document “inadequate” to his all- inclusive government agenda.
Obama himself and almost all of his appointees, Salazar, Sebelius, Holder, Czar Sunstein, legal advisor Harold Koh et al. and etc…act and feel as if they are “givers” of law, and not followers of constitutional guidelines.
You know, I’m really, REALLY confused. I know that the Constitution of these United States of America was written over a hunnert years ago, so I prolly don’t unnerstand. But there’s this:
Article III, section 2, paragraph 2 of said ancient document sez
“In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.”
When was this made null and void? Do states suing the federal government (and vicy-versy) in federal court count? If’n we’re really arguing about constitutionality, why don’t we start with the easy parts? Who gave the SCOTUS the right to abrogate its responsibility? Who gave the federal courts the right to assume the role of the SCOTUS?
Original jurisdiction is not the same as exclusive jurisdiction. A fuller explanation can be found here.
The Supreme Court could hear all cases brought by states against the federal government, but that is not required. Were it to do so it would be overwhelmed. That may be one of the reasons Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution authorizes the Congress “To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court,” which it subsequently did.
The burdens on the Supreme Court involved in hearing all cases brought by states against the federal government would obviously be very substantial, particularly where evidentiary hearings are required.
The Supreme Court is probably better equipped to decide constitutional issues when it has before it the thinking of lower trial and appellate court judges; they seem better prepared to deal with such matters than “masters,” over whose appointment the Congress lacks the oversight it has over the appointment of federal judges.
An alternative, I suppose, would be to increase substantially the number of Supreme Court justices (the Constitution does not specify the number). Even aside from the logistical difficulties in accommodating and otherwise dealing with them, that does not strike me as a great idea.
Under a totalitarian regime, pretty much what we’re under, “legal” and “constitutional” is what the ruling class declares to be legal and constitutional.
Just reminding those stil under the illusion that we’re still a Constitutional Republic.
I am not a lawyer but I once watched one on TV. There is no Constitutional crisis here. One of the first issues in any suit is jurisdiction; it can only extend to the limits of the judge’s authority. He can not rule on matters in another jurisdiction. The last issue in any suit is to start a clock for appeal of his ruling. When the alarm clock rings, one party can approach the bench and argue that the judgment was ignored by the other party. If this is true, the judge can issue a contempt of court against whoever is named in the plea. And he/she goes to jail. If it is a big shot, their organization appeals on the last day because jails are filled with bedbugs, and the food is awful.
Obamacare will be legally sorted out, if it is not overturned legislatively and rendered moot in all courts.
Polly, not about jealousy at all. Let the man who it was addressed to answer.
Mr. Miller; I do not think you gave enough attention to the un-Constitutionality of the “waivers” Obama is giving.
Another article perhaps?
I’m not sure they are unconstitutional; I’ll have to think about it. The ObamaCare law probably gives the executive the authority to grant waivers and states the factors to be considered (I don’t know and will have to look it up) and waivers are commonly granted. Waivers to some extent resemble the exercise of prosecutorial discretion.
On the other hand, granting waivers based on past (and hoped for future) political support including campaign contributions, as I have read has happened, is arbitrary and capricious. Proof of that would be quite difficult.
Again, I’ll have give it some thought. If I find anything worth writing about, I shall.
The Obama Administration is acting like the concept of judicial review which came from an 1820′s court ruling is Unconstitutional. Maybe we should take them up on that and publicly argue that Rowe v. Wade is not law, it is a court ruling.
Well, as I was telling mummy and Mervyn earlier, things is pretty bad there at the moment but there does seem some hope of a constitutional settlement.
Obama dose not care about the Constitution or our rule of law. Nancy Pelosi told us that when she said we have to pass the bill to find out what`s in the bill. When asked where in our Constitution, it says congress has the right to pass obama care, her answer was are you kidding, are you kidding. Then there were other politicians who said they did not care about what the Constitution says and most of what congress does is against the Constitution. Wake up America or you will be under a dictator before you know it. Oh that`s right you believe it can not happen here!
RE comments about lack of oil and gas: The online American Petroleum Institute is the best source for energy reality. We have over 250 years of proven natural gas reserves on-shore, and untold reserves of oil, now being drilled in shale; environmentalists’ funding of politicians is preventing much of the exploration; check out the online Washington Examiner’s current expose’ of the billions fed to politicians.
The Russian theory of abiotic oil has never been accepted by the old-fashioned West, because the idea of limited reserves has feathered a lot of nests, making the price high and keeping it high. The theory, used by Russian geologists in exploiting their oil and gas, is that these are not fossil fuels, but rather renewable fuels from the mantle of the earth.
Dan Miller. I’m hopefully certain that you unintentionally misstated your thoughts when you said: ["The Supreme Court could hear all cases brought by states against the federal government, but that is not required. Were it to do so it would be overwhelmed."]
The Supreme court is not ‘bound’ to accept and hear any particular case(s) is true. However, States vs United States of America (and vise versa) cases are nearly always heard if not mutually disposed of in the lower federal courts and federal appellant process……primarily cases seeking injunctive or other nonmonetary relief against the United States.
The comment was in the context of original vs. exclusive jurisdiction at the trial court level. The Supreme Court could but need not exercise its original jurisdiction to hear cases brought by a state at the trial level against the federal government. I am unaware of any recent case where it has done so.
i keep hoping the good Americans among us start acting like people worthy of their heritage of Freedom and kick this pretender to the curb. good and honest people who still trust this snake just haven’t been paying attention to our southern neighbor Honuras lately. they have a government modeled very much on America’s success. God knows the countries south of the border have paid a very heavy price, throughout their combined history for trusting would-be dictators. they have a clause in their Constitution that says a prez. can only serve one term, period. if he tries to change that, they are directed as to how to remove him, which they did, about 2 mos. before the election. obama did everything he could to support the guy. some say he could have easily caused a war there trying to help his marxist friend. hillary was there too. somehow they managed to out fox obama and have a real, honest election, seat a new prez., and all ended well. their Constitution, and the appliction of the laws saved them. obama just last month tried to get his old buddy back into the country.
he isn’t planning on messing up again. those of us watching this unfold said it was just a practice run, back then. his spots are there for all to see who have eyes.
Judge Vinson issued his ruling of unconstitutionality of the individual mandate and lack of severability, which included his presumption that the federal government would not ignore a federal court decision and proceed as though it had not been issued, on January 31st. All indications by the Obama Administration to date, now almost two weeks later, are that the federal judge’s ruling will be ignored.
It’s time for the judge to reopen and amend his ruling to actively enjoin the federal government (the Obama Administration) from further implementing ObamaCare pending rulings at the Circuit Appeals and/or the Supreme Courts levels.
Once he has done this, if the Obama Administration in general or the DHHS in particular persists in furthering ObamaCare, he should declare them in contempt and issue federal bench arrest warrants for the top HHS officials and have the U.S. Marshals arrest them.
I’ll bet THAT would get their attention.
Mr. Miller: I found this article that addresses the Constitutionality of the waivers:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/259101/are-health-care-waivers-unconstitutional-philip-hamburger
There was a tape of an interview “granted” by Mr Obama to an NPR station sometime around 2000 or 2001. It surfaced, and was broadcast on a limited basis just prior to the 2008 presidential election. Unless I was not hearing correctly, Mr Obama took the position that our Constitution was not nearly clear enough for his purposes, as it did not enumerate what the government should do FOR the people. I am fairly certain he is carrying out his wish to see our Constitution more active on behalf of the “little people”, in that it grants powers to the government and all its agencies, (including its czars!) to carry out Mr. Obama’s clear desire to redistribute our wealth. Not only is his singular method to carry the day in any policy “discussion” limited to, “we have to do it NOW”, when he is behaving like a schoolchild, he turns the other cheek, (and thus ear), and ignores whatever does not suit him. That is where are now with the 2 Federal court rulings. He can tell Egypt to get it done “NOW”, but in the same moment, he can choose to completely ignore whatever and whomever he doesn’t like. Unfortunately for us, it seems to be working….for now.
the intransigence of the obama administration may be a good thing. obama will be gone in 23 months, but if he teaches us how to ignore supreme court decisions that he doesnt like, we may have found the way to undo the violence to the constitution done by a half century of “activist” judges–ignore them. the first thing to ignore would be obama’s appointments to the supreme court. bring them back to a new and improved senate, and find that they were never qualified to be sc justices, and send them home. if obama wants to start the precedent of ignoring the court, i see no reason we all should not be able to do the same.
Excellent idea! Also, Czars belong in Russia – so, give them all a choice, retire immediately or go to Russia and see if they will accept you! By paying hundred of thousand of dollars to hide his past – including his original birth certificate, Obama has demonstrated that he is obviously not qualified to hold the office of President. He continues to not only ignore Constitutional law; but, also, the decision of the courts – ie: voiding Obamacare. He has failed to uphold the existing immigration laws and unbelievably sues Arizona for attempting to do what the Federal Government refuses to do. He allowed the Justice Department to ignore the beatings of voters by Black Panthers. Yes, it is past time to impeach him. Perhaps Americans should take to the streets like the Egyptians have done and demand that he remove himself from office. We need to reclaim our country and our heritage. We have never had a President who would not “cover his heart” for the National Anthem or who would bow to foreign leaders and make excuses for America’s actions around the world. It’s time to stand up and “be counted”.
As egregious and reprehensible as the acts of the DOE and DOJ are to Constitutionality, it would be ill-advised for any subsequent administration to ignore the law.
If we wish to be a nation of laws, then we cannot cede our high ground to the corrupt.
A precedent of criminal behavior does not excuse additional criminal behavior.
What is ill-advised is for us to allow these political thugs to thumb their collective noses with impunity. The message other bullies will take away is that our “laws” are meaningless and our enforcement not imminent. One of the great consequences of President Reagen’s tenure was his intent to follow through when it came to thugs and bullies. Just ask Iran why they released our hostages when they did.
A precedent of criminal behavior does not excuse additional criminal behavior.
If we wish to be a nation of laws, then we cannot cede our high ground to the corrupt.
this is a non-sequitur. Obozocare was never legally passed in the first place.
Attempting to undermine the US government and constitution is seditious and treasonous, and potentially carries the crime of death…just sayin’
According to this report,
SO when is the “interpretation” of the Constitution going to proclaim
the Nuke dump in Nevada, that I paid for in Fed Tax, as well as those “mystery” fees on my bill for Interstate provided electricity- with no apparent “refund” via the Fed “oopsie” payments to my abandoned “energy” provider folks for failure to produce- open?
With all those air conditioners in Cali and Louisiana running, how the heck am I supposed to charge up my “subsidized” (on BOTH ends) electric car from my “feedback” remotely controlled electric meter, or catch those “high speed trains”.
Oil(LP gas)/”adulterated” gasoline/ Obama Care?
When are interstate competition for private “health” care gambling/mortgage services (insurance), and interstate “energy” issues,
going to be deemed “The better good” (sorry predominately gub’mint “owned” Nevada) via. Interstate Commerce Clause? Or is Yucca Mountain simply cover for another “Emergency Shelter for Important People” resort (with legal gambling,and whores, THIS time)
Here in NH, the Gov. and AG are busy defending why they are NOT obligated
to follow the majority of “We The People…”(of NH) and enjoin the Constitutional challenge of the pothole riddled/co-opted/often miscredited
“Obama”care. Apparently our already low (due to competition with no “mandatory” purchase statutes), insurance ain’t good enough for the folks getting “free” “app” ready cell phones and free “emergency” housing and heat.