Are Republicans Crazy? Or Just Irresponsible?
It’s only the middle of January, but the maneuvering is already well underway to see who will get the blame when the GOP refuses to raise the debt limit sometime in the middle of March and, shortly thereafter, declines to authorize a continuing resolution that would fund the government for the next year.
In the real world where one plus one equals two, the Republicans may have a point. They are dealing with a president who doesn’t believe we have a spending problem, and someone has to break through Barack Obama’s myopic worldview to set him straight.
But reality is not the way many of us would describe life in Washington, D.C. In our capital city, ordinary mathematics don’t apply. One plus one may or may not equal two depending on who’s doing the adding and how much pretending the rest of Congress wants to engage in. Hence, a $500 billion cut in reimbursing doctors and hospitals for Medicare expenses can actually be counted twice — once as a cut and once as a source of revenue for Obamacare.
The question then becomes, should the GOP House take the risk of blowing up the economy by refusing to authorize the Treasury Department to borrow money that has already been legally appropriated? In this, as with the virtual promise by many Republicans to shut down the government when the current continuing resolution runs out at the end of March unless they can convince the president to deal with the entitlement problem, the GOP is faced with unpalatable choices. And here, we must look at the question of proportionality. Is the drastic action on the debt limit and government funding threatened by Republicans justified? What imminent crisis — economic collapse, or depression, or any other calamity — is in front of us today that would warrant playing Russian roulette with the economy?
The fact is, there is none. We know that the path we are on is unsustainable. But that doesn’t mean catastrophe is imminent. And without a clear and present danger to the republic, it is extremely difficult to condone risking economic Armageddon to achieve so little. It is imprudent, even irresponsible, to take such a risk.
Is a reluctance to kick the can down the road reason enough to gamble that our already anemic economy won’t be plunged back into recession if the debt limit isn’t raised? House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers thinks it is:
We always talk about whether or not we’re going to kick the can down the road. I think the mood is that we’ve come to the end of the road.
Have we really? Many in the GOP caucus are talking as if this is our last chance to save the economy. Rep. Jason Chaffetz:
No one wants to default, but we are not going to continue to give the president a limitless credit card.
Forget the idea of default — it won’t happen. We will continue to pay off our bonds month by month if necessary, using tax revenue that continuously comes into the Treasury. That doesn’t mean that the perception in the markets and overseas won’t be extremely negative. A downgrade of our paper is almost certainly in the offing and a roiling of the stock market is a virtual certainty as well. Besides that, anyone who says they are certain nothing much will happen — or that we face economic ruin — is just guessing. Simply paying bonds as they come due might mean we won’t default on our obligations, but what other psychological effects might a failure to raise our debt limit have?
Other budget obligations besides rolling over our debt won’t be met, however, and that probably means huge layoffs at companies doing business with the government. The rest is unknown. Might a refusal to raise the debt limit spark another banking crisis? No one is ruling it out. Foreign investors may flee the dollar, dumping massive amounts of greenbacks on the world market. No one is ruling that out either.
Is it prudent, responsible governance to risk this?
Republicans rightly took the president and Democrats to task for ignoring any potential unintended consequences from passing the massive Affordable Care Act. Are we now to turn around and ignore unintended consequences from not raising the debt limit?
The point is, given the possibility of disaster, and the absence of a contemporary crisis, what justifies Republican threats? Why does the GOP think they have to take a suicidal stand now, at this moment?
The rationale that if we wait until a real crisis is upon us it will be too late makes sense, but that explanation fails to address the question of “why now?” Why not six months from now? Why not next year? There is no compelling reason other than a deliberate choice by House Republicans to force the issue here and now. And without any more justification than that, the actions by the GOP would appear petulant — even unbalanced.
No doubt the president’s recalcitrance in facing up to his responsibilities is extremely troubling. But as Ross Douthat points out, the GOP, in reality, has very little leverage to force him to deal:
Note that it’s perfectly sensible for Republicans to negotiate over how the debt ceiling is to be raised — to haggle over the extension period and the combination of Democratic and Republican votes, for instance, and to look for a small-ball deal on spending to give cover to the legislators who cast those votes. But there simply isn’t a way for the G.O.P. to win anything big here, given the correlation of political forces in Washington D.C. and the country as a whole. And the fantasy of leveraging the debt ceiling to “force” the White House to dramatically cut entitlements, if actually pursued rather than just entertained, would quickly put the Republican Party on the path to losing the more modest leverage that it currently enjoys.
There simply aren’t the votes to deal with comprehensive entitlement reform — a “fantasy” as Douthat points out. Democrats in the Senate would filibuster any attempt to cut Medicare or reform Social Security even if it were attached to a debt limit bill or continuing resolution on funding the government. It should go without saying who would win that political argument with voters — Republicans would still get the blame for an economic downturn and anger seniors in the process.
To that end, the president is pushing the notion that unless Republicans raise the debt limit, they will be turning the U.S. into a “deadbeat nation”:
“Republicans in Congress have two choices here,” the president said. “They can act responsibly and pay America’s bills. Or they can act irresponsibly and send America into another economic crisis.” He added, “To even entertain the idea of this happening, of America not paying its bills, is irresponsible. It’s absurd.”
“The full faith and credit of the united states of America is not a bargaining chip,” Obama said. “And they better choose quickly, because time is running out.”
Of course, there have been few increases in the debt ceiling over the past 20 years that weren’t tied to some kind of deficit reduction. But Obama is not seeking to persuade, he is seeking to lay blame if the economy goes south. In this, he has a distinct advantage largely due to the fact that to most Americans, there is no rhyme or reason to Republican obstinacy. The president is successfully portraying Republican threats as a political ploy to make him look bad, or to blame him if the country slides back into a recession — or worse.
Speaker Boehner has said publicly that he wants a one-for-one deal on the debt limit: one dollar cut for every dollar added to the national debt. If he was dealing with reasonable people, it would be a reasonable idea. But the president doesn’t want to cut much spending. As he said at yesterday’s press conference, he wants to “invest”:
I’m happy to have a conversation about how we reduce our deficits further in a sensible way, although one thing I want to point out is that the American people are also concerned about how we grow our economy, how we put people back to work, how we make sure that we finance our workers getting properly trained and our schools are giving our kids the education we deserve. There’s a whole growth agenda which will reduce our deficits that’s important, as well.
Spending God knows how much on his “growth agenda” will reduce the deficit? Since Obama is doing the adding in this case, he says one plus one equals two when objective reality says something entirely different.
If the Republicans were to signal a willingness to negotiate a much smaller package of cuts in exchange for lifting the ceiling on the debt, they would put pressure on Obama to come to the table, and possibly saddle him with the blame if the economy tanks. It’s really all the leverage they have — especially if they want to make far more significant cuts in the showdown over government funding that will happen a few weeks after the debt limit vote. But the rank and file in the House show absolutely no desire for such a deal and seem willing to take their chances that the economy won’t melt down as a result of the government’s inability to borrow money to pay for obligations already accrued.
It took us 40 or more years to get into the mess we are in now. We are not going to solve it overnight or in one fell swoop of budget cuts. Simply put, the GOP House must take a more realistic and prudent view of reducing the deficit. This is the responsible path to deal with our fiscal problems, unlike taking unwarranted risks with our economic future by rolling the dice on the debt limit.






I don’t count 40 years,only the Bush and Obama years.Obama is not adult enough to have a credit card and runaway spending is a given. My bicycle has breaks,the streets have yellow lights that are only an excuse to step on it and we have a President that does just that!
Yes! And Mr. Moran’s questions are answered by the eternal verity,”There ain’t no right way to do wrong.” It is wrong to spend more than we take in. We must stop doing so, NOW! We must look realistically at our anticipated income, then plan spending something less than all of it. And we must do it now. Right now; not down the line. Tomorrow never comes. When the day after today comes, it is no longer tomorrow; it is now today. When we do wrong, when shall we stop the wrong and start the right? The correct answer is now. Today is the day of salvation; not manana. If a drunke is to sober up, when shall he begin? If an addict is to quit dope, when shall he quit? If a wifebeater is to change, when shall it be? A child molester? A robber? A crooked politician?
The false notion that one can “taper off” evil behavior is an invention of Satan. Shall an adulterer taper off exposing his wife to STDs? We must stop spending more than we take in and we must stop it now. Refusing to raise the debt limit will force Obama to illegally and unconstitutionally exceed it. He must then be removed from officevis-a-vis whatever delicious legal fiction the lawyers may choose to compose, and imprisoned. His successor will be sufficiently intimidated to behave properly and the conservative House can control spending, as it is supposed to do.
This is the same foolishness as a crack addict arguing that he shouldn’t try to quit the drug because withdrawal will wreck his job and family life. Besides, he says, I’m not about to have a fatal crash or kill someone in a delusional haze, so the danger isn’t imminent.
By the time the threat is “imminent”, there’s nothing you can do to stop it.
Let’s try a little game theory here. The Republicans won’t raise the debt limit. What will Obama do? He’ll pay debt service and haircut other creditors. Which other creditors will he haircut? His supporters or Republican-leaning interests? Having trouble figuring that out? He’ll haircut defense contractors and, if he really wants to stick it to the Republicans, he’ll cut social security payments. Then he’ll go on the air and tell the seniors that he was forced to cut their payments because the Government is out of money and the Republicans won’t let him borrow any more. Anyone want to guess how that will play out? Anyone want to be that the Republicans in Congress won’t fade like a cheap suit.
I’m sympathetic to the goal here (preventing Obama from transforming the US into a European-style welfare state), but I’m not seeing how we get there. Can someone offer me a more plausible alternative? I’m thinking that conservatives are going to have to look at this as a Long War and given the current correlation of forces, a strategic retreat might be in order. Keep in mind that Mao Tse Tung took the longest retreat in military history, thousands of miles long, back and forth through China, running from Nationalist armies, and he won the war and today that retreat is glamorized as the Long March.
Maybe if Obama stiffs the contractors, they’ll learn what we think of selling defective products, which has been known to happen. Contractors will abuse the contract by failing to meet its terms and then expect us to pay to fix what they couldn’t do right in the first place.
Actually, most defense contracts are…….people.
Most of the people who work for the government are contractors – the ones who do the heavy lifting. THOSE are probably the contracts that will be cut.
At what point do we say “enough is enough.” Borrowing to pay our current expenses, like defense contractors and SS recipients, is craziness. We cannot continue to pile debt on future generations. Senator Obama was correct when he said continuing to raise the debt ceiling is irresponsible and unpatriotic. We have money to pay our debts – the interest on the national debt, SS and veterans benefits. If we have to cut back on some other programs, then cut back. We can’t continue to exist by borrowing 40¢ of every $1 spent from China and other lenders.
Its so sad that the young will have to pay for all of this folly.Will they ever place the blame on themselves for falling for such a shell game? Guess the punishment fits the crime.
Quit sending money to people that hate us would be a good start.
Quit giving money to scientists to study the sex life of a piss ant, quit giving money to people that throw feces against a canvas and call it art, etc etc.
We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Give 20 minutes and I’ll have a balance budget that pays for all necessary expenses and services the debt.
Cutting 600 billion over a ten year period that we will accrue an additional 10 – 15 trillion is not a spending reduction plan.
We’re not the only ones either. Every western country in the world pays these same countries “aid,” and all their citizens complain about it the same as we do. Seems to me we (westerners) are already paying this infidel tax, this dhimmi tax as they do to non-muslims in their own countries. Well, we are all paying it and they are still attacking us.
All western countries need to kneecap these people and cut the funding!
Interesting about the Long March. I read recently that Mao made most of the march in a Sudan Chair complete with umbrella carried by his stalwart supporters. Replace Mao = Obama and Sudan Chair with = Air Force One and of course the thrown now sitting in the Oval Office and you get the picture.
The people have spoken and Obama won and he does not care what anyone thinks and doesn’t care what happens, because you see he won. Republicans need to buck up and get ready for 2014 and 2016. If the house goes back to the Dems and/or if Hillary gets 8 years (she is about one centimeter to the right of O) we are doomed to go down faster than we already are going down.
Should be fun to watch though, I mean it isn’t often in history that you get a ringside seat at the collapse of a civilization.
I fully agree. When the crunch comes Obama’s going to have defacto power in spending the incoming current revenues after the debt limit isn’t raised. He must service the current debt, but beyond that he’ll spend the money strategically to keep his constituents fat and happy while harming Republican interests, and the nation as a whole, as much as possible. What do you think Obama will cut first; Obamaphones or social security checks? What do you think he’ll cut first, foreign aid to Pakistan or paychecks to the armed forces? Any guesses on whether he’ll first cut Green energy subsidies or border enforcement? Forcing the budget to balance itself now with him in power just ensures that the cuts happen in the worst possible places. He’ll cut from the things most damaging to the economy and nation because he knows Republicans will take the blame for it. The obsequious media will give him the ultimate messaging platform and he knows it. The end game is that he and the media have a messaging field day and in the worst case scenario retake the house in 2014. Know what happens then? Lets start with Amnesty, gutting of the 2nd amendment, carbon taxes, and god only knows what else. A second term Obama with the congress he had in 2009 and 2010 is something that cannot be risked under any circumstances, in my opinion a collapse of the dollar would be less damaging. That’s what happens if the Republicans lose the budget wars after pushing it too far.
Now what’s the “best case scenario”? That they somehow force major reform and drag Obama howling and kicking and screaming into fiscal sanity. Obama will take the credit for this and if Clinton is any precedent the media and people will give it to him and the Democrats will be talking for the next 20 years about how fiscally responsible Obama was, encouraging people to elect more like him. Sorry, but there’s no way to win this politically in the near term, or for the long term good of the country. Now is not the time for a major offensive but rather a carefully planned defense. Allow Obama to hang himself and his party on gun control, make them show their true colors and then block every bit of it. Wait for the effects of Obamacare to manifest in the economy, don’t do anything the media can twist to paint us as being responsible for it, and wait for 2014 and 2016. By 2020 or so the country will look a lot better if we do that and take the long view than if we f—- things up now and hand control back to the Democrats.
As long as the focus is to worry about whose Ox is getting gored instead of focusing on the national priorities we get what you concluded; stalemate. So, yes folks, we have to insist the Republicans in congress consider themselves expendible for the sake of the nation. Until we get there we go nowhere.
The House could raise the debt ceiling just long enough to cover until the end of the fiscal year. Not that I have any confidence such a move would give the Republicans the time, imagination or courage to act at that time. There’s no time like the present, really. There will always be an excuse to do nothing.
This is not being petulent, it is waking up to your responsibilities as an adult and saying “no more”.
Mr. Moran, if you want a job with the MSM, just go apply for one. Okay? And stop regurgitating Dem talking points here as if you already worked for the MSM. It’s gotten beyond tiresome.
You washington DC inside the beltway analysis is what one expects these days when assessing right and wrong. This president is racing towards the cliff at warp speed and has no intention of controlling spending. He just does not give a damm about anything except his agenda. No surprises here except perhaps to the 60 million drones who think this guy is actually worth a crap. However the other half of this country wants to resist this lunacy, will not support his plans, and want to get spending under control. We really do not have a spending problem. We have a problem with politicians and a media who cannot get their collective act together and a citizenry who has either lost the ability to think critically or who are so scared and intimidated about losing their entitlements that they prefer to remain in the fetal position at the moment and do nothing. The time is now to resist using any means at our disposal. We could also try impeaching Obama for the fast and furious program, the Bengazi disgrace, ignoring the constitution, and murdering hundreds of innocent people in drone attacks (no miranda rights there is there?).
This is just one of many battles 0 will wage in his effort to permanently crush the Republicans. He has no other aim here, and, if, in the process, he gets to do what he wants with respect to spending, so much the better. He is totally unconcerned about what happens to the country. He has MSM in his pocket; nothing he does will be blamed on him by the media…with the possible exception of Fox and PJM.
The United States spends 40% MORE than it earns and is currently printing trillions out of thin air to pay for it all.
That which cannot continue, will not. We either get the spending under control or our creditors will take us out behind the woolshed and do it for us by refusing to accept US dollars as “money good”.
Ask Zimbabwe how currency collapse is working out for them or Argentina in 6 months time.
Change is coming to America…
Yes. Fix it now so my kids have a future. Otherwise the collapse will make anything a government “shutdown” now entails look like a joke.
Where have YOU been? YOU “fix it” so your children can have a future. At least you possess the right instincts. You care about YOUR children Stop pretending that any-one can be an American, that America is a “Proposition Nation. It was never intended to be thus. America was founded AS a Blood and Soil Nation. Race is Nation, Nation is Race. Nothing will be “fixed” until Whites become White again.
You’re absolutely right, nazi.
Since my people were here first, you can hop on the next boat out of here.
I’ll even be generous and not charge you any back rent.
Bye.
/sarcasm mode OFF
Go die in a fire, you unAmerican fascist POS.
WTH are you talking about?
Obama’s favorite phrase is that “We can have a conversation” about reducing the debt and deficit, but he never, EVER, does anything about it. Liberals are great a talking, but lousy when it comes to actually cutting anything. So Obama says he’s always willing to talk about this, but he never does.
Anyway, if the Republicans were smart, then it’s about time they start putting a list together of all the services that WILL be funded if there is a government shutdown. There is always money coming into the government. It isn’t as if there will not be a penny to spend on anything. We just have to prioritize what it is we DO want to fund while Washington resolves this problem. So things like Social Security, the military, and law enforcement would be logical services to keep funding with the money that is still coming in.
But what probably scares the Democrats to death is how many Americans will probably NOT miss the government if it shuts down. Will the world really end if the Parks Department or the Department of Energy or the Department of Education close for a few days? Not at all. In fact, it may just show how big and bloated the Federal government really is and how unnecessary a lot of it is. A government shutdown may end up being the greatest argument for the reduction in the size of government there is. And the Democrats know it.
Yeah, wonderful thinking! It’s sunny out so why fix the roof now? There’s no crisis.
“It took us 40 or more years to get into the mess we are in now. We are not going to solve it overnight or in one fell swoop of budget cuts.”
If not now, when?
We’re racking up $100-$150 billion in debt per month at this point. Our *monthly* deficits are roughly the equivalent of the *yearly* GDP of New Zealand. Our *yearly* deficit is equal to the *yearly GDP of Canada*. Our public debt is 110% of GDP and rising. It will be 130% by the end of Obamee’s second term, somewhere north of $20 trillion.
Balance the damn budget already. You do this by not spending money you don’t have to spend. It’s time to make some brutal cuts, period. It’s time to raise taxes on people who aren’t paying any at all.
The minimal first step we’d have to take is the end of the deficit era. if we did that, America’s economy would skyrocket.
We can’t fix the problem in a day, but if we don’t start we will never fix it.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, but a thousand miles is too much to think about, so I’m going back to bed.
You propose surrender – let Obama have his way rather than fight.
If fiscal conservatives (which includes some Republicans) will not fight, they do not deserve any support.
If the people vote the looters in, despite our best efforts, so be it, but we should take Churchill’s attitude: fight them everywhere, at every moment, and, if we must, go down fighting.
Our self-respect demands no less. Our forebears demand no less. Our posterity demands no less.
Man up.
Madness! Absolute madness.
What possible reason can there be for not taking a stand, even just a principled one? Wouldn’t it be about damn time?
You have identified the dilemma. Taking reasonable, incremental, pain-free steps will result in us backing into a position where we become Greece.
We are a trillion, 200 billion dollars short each year. How do you reduce this spending in a reasonable, statesmen-like, non-petulant way? In a way where Obama doesn’t start shrieking like something from The Excorcist, threatening to bring the whole temple down and blame the Republicans?
The solution is for those unpleasant tea party types to pull the Gandalf option and vow “This Debt Ceiling Shall not Pass” (without spending cuts).
The right has already been palinized and demonized as much as possible. How much worse can it get? Let Owebama decide how much he wants to become Barrack Hussien Hoover.
and malicious here, on top of being crazy
our truly lowdown nasty little nut case obama will continue to screw us all, no matter what happens
And a lying, deceitful, psychopath. (His latest “news” conference confirms his psychological mal adjustment).
Given a choice, a great retreat is much better than fighting a battle on a field the enemy has prepared and forced you to lay down your arms. Moran simply is asking what is the best retreat strategery for the GOP?
It should be obvious. On the financial mess, simply give him everything he wants including a special bill that allows him, while in office, to implement his four year spending spree and ignore the debt ceiling AND to have Bernanke’s Bubble stay inflated.
On all other things — Fast and Furious, gun control, immigration, etc., refuse whatever he dreams up and then work to repeal the EPA, NRLB, etc. Even impeach Holder.
The point is let Obama’s economic disaster be placed solely on his moronic economic shoulders and to spend at least the rest of his term as miserable for him as possible.
Oh, and call Obi-Wan on the way out the door. And for heaven’s sake, get Baleful Bawling Boehner off the air.
because by letting obumboy do what he wants will mean that the disaster isn’t his doing after all
The point is let Obama’s economic disaster be placed solely on his moronic economic shoulders and to spend at least the rest of his term as miserable for him as possible.
In his news conference, Owebama was already blaming his own spending on the Republican congress because spending bills come from Congress. The low info voters and MSM wil go along. Even this precarious redoubt that you want to retreat to is no place of safety.
Chicago thug politicians view every opposition view one way and one way only.
As an enemy that needs to be crushed in the spirit of “they bring a knife, we bring a gun” and “punish your enemies”. (both verbal recommendations were made by Obama)
The limit of this president’s imagination is diminishing (ideally, crushing) his supposed “enemies” in any way possible.
That’s all that’s going on. Thug governance.
You advocate hitting the snooze button one more time.
The sun is still gonna rise, no matter what you do.
The Repubs will be blamed for the debt and economic collapse no matter what happens. So I say go down in a blaze of glory doing the right thing.
Look, the Dems believe they bought the election through entitlements. That’s why they cannot allow entitlements to be cut. 0bama is being told by his people its OK for him to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling. That’s what he will do. Let him. It is the only way ownership of the debt can be placed squarely on his back.
Are conservative pundits irresponsible or just stupid?
Not raising the debt ceiling is the right thing to do. The government has all the money to do the things it must without raising it.
There is two years until the next election. If they don’t raise it and weather the six-months or so of attacks, the Dems will have to come to them to negotiate. Ask what would Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or Tom Foley or Jim Wright would do if the shoe were on their foot.
Moran is no Conservative, but a garden variety religious bigot and fence straddler, vacillating which ever way the Washington dinner crowd tilts to be hip.
A weather vane on a left tilting house with the foundations crumbling, who occasionally points South if the wind blows hard enough.
The GOP doesn’t have to make any deal at all to cut spending. All they have to do is refuse to raise the debt limit and Obama will be forced to cut spending down to the amount equal to each month’s tax receipts. The only reason to raise the debt limit is to enable even more spending.
Can you imagine calling your credit card company and telling them that you won’t be able to pay them if they don’t raise your limit? They would laugh at you. More debt is not the answer.
Malarkey.
So is this like a market bubble? Everyone knows it’s going to happen eventually, but nobody is willing to pull the trigger. And there’s good money to be made in the meantime.
Great idea!!! Let’s retreat again!!!
Political hacks are playing politics with the debt ceiling.
Democrats and esp. their current leader have demonstrated time and again that they have no (zip zilch nada) interest in curtailing spending.
In 2006, Senator Obama and Senator Reid among other political hacks voted against raising the debt ceiling under GWB.
The debt in 2006 was about HALF what it is now.
Obama, who didn’t vote at all on the debt ceiling in 2007 & 2008, actually made some pretty good points in voting “nay” in 2006
Moran: If we just keep pretending everything is OK, then everything is OK.
Me, I’d like to be paid in Swiss Francs and own nothing denominated in dollars. I remember the Jimmy Carter years. Our author thinks it won’t happen again. Like Glenn Reynolds writes, that’s looking like the best case.
Default or devalue, now or later, what’s it going to be? We cannot afford the government we have.
A godawful post Moran! We have a man in the WH who hates America with a passion, a twisted media that has both created and sustains him, the inevitable addtional spending and debt, and you put the onus on the Republicans. Sure, cave now, slide further into debt and downgrading, pass more liabilities on to the taxpayer and the children, and of course, face a similar problem soon, only worse. Stop wetting your pants Moran, calm the hysteria and at the least remember the Democrat Senate, the media, and the human filth in the WH.
whats up with all the name calling? the correct spelling of his name is President Barack Hussein Obama.
A man earns a title through being worthy of respect.
This one isn’t.
He is still your president. Unless you are out of touch with reality.
We have to kinda, sorta respect the office, we’re under no obligation to respect the fraud that holds it.
Sorry, filth, fraudulent elections don’t count.
He is a traitor, and a threat to this country.
He isn’t ‘my’ President, but I have no doubt he is yours.
Soon, very soon, you are going to get the chance to die for ‘your’ President.
Count on it.
Civil war is the only option left.
Mount up, blow yer bugle and CHARGE! Why are you wasting time here on the internet? You have a war to conduct! Or, is just a war of words?
The correct spelling of Comrade Obama’s name is Barry Soetera, or maybe Barry Dunham, or maybe Barry Davis, more likely the latter.
The media marches for obama. Those thinking that to go along with the spending insanity will be rewarded later, forget that the media is the potter and the compliant republicans will be the clay!
If they’re going to challenge him, now is the time; it is early enough in the election cycle to have some chance to recover from a government shutdown that Comrade Obama and the media will make seem like the end of the World as we know it.
Republicans didn’t have the backbone to stand up to what was essentially a virtual shutdown by Clinton. Frankly, large portions of the government could shut down for a very long time and nobody would notice except federal employees, lobbyists, and reporters. Comrade Obama is more of an ideologue and a much nastier person than was Clinton, so Obama if faced with either a refusal to raise the debt limit or a refusal to pass a CR, will make it actually hurt some people. That said, the only people he can actually hurt in the short run are federal employees and social security recipients and he might well do that. Certainly he’d lay off/furlough as many federal employees as he dares. It wouldn’t bother him to refuse to make military payroll; he doesn’t like them anyway. The real issue is whether he’d either reduce SS checks or refuse to make SS payments at all. Of course, it would be a lie that he either couldn’t make the payment because all the federal employees are laid off; certainly the system is automated. But, the media would cover for him and blame the evil Republicans for starving granny. If he is thinking like most of the lefties I’ve dealt with, this is his dream scenario; he can quite literally push granny over the cliff AND blame the Republicans.
I think a more manageable scenario is to give him his head on the debt limit; most people don’t understand it and he can tell them anything he wants and they’ll believe it. Then, pick the fight on the CR. He and Reid will want an omnibus CR with cherries, nuts, and sprinkles; this will be the hill on which to make a stand. Don’t give him an omnibus CR. Pass single subject CRs or single subject appropriation bills. Make sure the first one is necessary authorization for SS, the second authorization for military payroll, the third debt service, and so on.
The playbook Obama and his myrmidons are working is basically that of public sector collective bargaining. A public employee union knows that it can’t sustain a strike more than a few days, so it uses a complicit media to have a virtual strike that makes it look like there’s been a catastrophe when in fact virtually nothing has happened and most, maybe all, the employees are still on the job. If a public employee union goes on strike at 8AM, there’ll be a mommy dying of cancer because she lost her health insurance on TV by 9AM and there’ll be starving babies all over the 6PM news. This is the number Clinton ran on Gingrich; the government hadn’t been shut down long enough or thoroughly enough for ANYBODY to feel it yet,but they managed the media and got the Republicans to panic and settle.
What a skillful negotiator that has the political capital does is make the union feel the pain as much as possible and the employees feel it as little as possible. What House Republicans need to do is very pointedly fund the real people and if Reid and Obama want to refuse to consider or pass a House funding bill, be it on their heads. But, since most of the federal government is really only a money laundry for Democrat constituencies, refuse to fund all the things near and dear to the left; all the grants and contracts that go to lefty organizations and Democrat cronies; make it hurt people important to Democrats. There is a way to work it and there is time to recover before the ’14 election but I don’t know that there’s anybody on our side of the ditch with either the skill or the guts.
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The Federal debt limit shouldn’t be raised — it should be cut by 5% this year, and every year thereafter by the same amount, so a child born today will be debt-free upon reaching his majority. That it isn’t is tantamount to a stealth repeal of the 13th Amendment.
Neither but …unbridled CAPITALISM is why we are where we are. Unbridled socialism is the mirror image and BHO’s promised land!
Go ahead Mr. Boehner. You can keep an a kickin’. Moran says it’s Okay. We’ll catch up to it next time. Honest.
It all boils down to one sentence: This insane spending has to stop. Of course a lot of people will lose their jobs. That would be the unproductive, unnecessary actively obstructive to true productivity jobs. This insane spending has to stop. We are resourceful Americans. We will figure out ways to deal with the consequences. This insane spending has to stop.
I didn’t realize that PJMedia published RINO writers and policies… disturbing, to say the least.
The President proposes, the Congress disposes. So simple. No money gets spent that Congress hasn’t approved. All of this blaming Obama (for all his faults) is misplaced. Obama simply cannot spend money without Congress’s approval. Congress can only blame itself, or previous iterations. Maybe it is more fun to blame Obama, just not very realistic.
That would only be true if Obama was bound by the rules of the constitution. Clearly he isn’t. He was been siphoning off money and has several slush funds from which to draw. This joker makes Tricky Dicky look like baby Finster.
Your initial premise is flawed. There is no causal connection between raising the debt ceiling and prior spending authorized by previous Congresses (or authorized by this one, for that matter). Any refusal to raise the debt limit does not automatically cause any default – that is, any inability of the U.S. government to pay its debts – because the actual spending of the available money is up to the President/Executive Branch, based upon whatever legal constraints exist which would direct them to pay this or that on a priority basis, beyond which constraints would be the discretion of the President. There is enough revenue coming into the Treasury to pay the debts, just not enough to pay out all of the current authorized expenditures and pay the debts. Money appropriated by Congress does not equal a debt; debts are T-bills and similar financial instruments issued by the Treasury and bought by investor here and abroad. As far as any economic catastrophe, that will only happen when, as, and if the crony capitalists in the financial community panic or the politicians panic and the media spreads the panic; the situation does NOT warrant panic, simply prudent prioritizing of paying out current income. So, the short answer to the title question is, “No they’re not crazy, just tired of being blamed for the Democrats’ flawed policies and legislation.
When it comes to addressing out of control spending:
If not now, when?
If not Republicans, who?
I couldn’t disagree more with the author. Obama was a nasty piece of work here in Chicago. Organizing marches on banks to loan money to those who can’t afford it etc… He is just as nasty now, if not more so.
Obama is acting like the GOP doesn’t even exist; Boehner should act exactly the same toward the Dems, and Obama. Next time Boehner is in a room with Obama he needs to say, ” eff-off you marxist sc*m”. Then shut the government down until Boehner gets the bully pulpit all to himself (3 weeks ought to do it). Escoriate the press with examples everyone can relate to of their complicity in ruining our nation.
Then go down a littany of what our country was founded on, and that Boehner will not let the country slid off into european socialism because “it doesn’t WORK!!”.
At least the citizens – the GOP – and the left will have some respect for him if nothing else.
Tell Ried, ” no CR, pass a budget, or we shut it down again”. Who cares about the markets, we (out here who have lost our jobs and homes already), could give two sh*ts about the markets. We are going down anyway – and you all know it!!
It “IS” time to fight!!
The Washington Republicans are either (1) too stupid, (2) too compromised, or (3) in on the new World Order. Whatever option you pick, we’re screwed because they will not derail the spending train. Look it always, we’ll get it NEXT time, during the next crisis. Its all Kubiki theatre—a farce for the masses.
And we have a absolutely a corrupt media, corrupt Hollyweird, corrupt TV., corrupt judges, and corrupt regulators. There simply isn’t anyone out there to put a stop to the madness.
So I’m putting my faith in God, first. Then I’m moving my money to put the action in the States. We need to paint the light red and purple states dark red, with veto proof legislatures and a rep. governor. Our only hope is that the States put new restrictions on the federal legislators.
Huh?!!! All I’ve heard for the past three months or so from the republicans is, “ok, we’ll give in to Obama this time (for the hundreth) but, by golly, we’ll have him over a barrell come the debt ceiling, that’s where we’ll make our stand for America”. We are on pace for another trillion plus deficit year, a sinking economy and continued misery. The republicans in congress is the only group that can alter our course. They can ask themselves, “If not us, who? If not now, when?”.
It would be one thing to raise the debt ceiling (obviously they will, regardless, at some point) if an adult was in the Whitehouse. Major, major cuts to go along with further debt, but that is not the case. Obama is grinding this nation into dust by intent and design. Make him own his own economy, bring him to the table with that arrogant smirk off his face.
Yes the leftists of the Dem party (ys) are irrational, schiphrenically disconnected from reality, crazy, uncivil, mean-spirited, evil, and irresponsible.
The executive should be authorized to spend far less — a smaller amount this year than they spent last year, a smaller amount next year than they spent this year, a smaller amount the year after that… over the next 10 years — and the “debt limit” should be gradually scaled down, clipped, cropped, pruned, reduced, cut, decreased, slashed until it reaches, oh, about 10 times as much as the US federal government spent in aggregate from 1789 through about 1902, i.e. about $170G (that’s 170 giga-bucks as in billion).
I suppose the joke is quite on the nose, but if you really don’t think a crisis is imminent, then clearly both vowels in your patronym should be O’s, Mr. Moran.
The GOP should pass a bill in the House which does not default on the debt, and otherwise cuts spending as they feel is wise. They should send it to the Senate for the Dems to bring about default. They should stake out a strong bargaining position, and a hill to die on.
Or why are they there?
Republicans could propose to cut the Obamacare expanded Medicaid spending in states where Republican governors have opted to not expand Medicaid. The Red States could also vote to cut back the part of spending for food stamps, “Obama phones”, NEA grants, funding for planned parenthood, etc that is spent in the Red States. We could go crazy and cut Red State subsidies for wind power and crop price supports too. Seems like a generous patriotic offer to cut government spending in our part of the country. Done right, it could make a significant dent in the “pour money down a rat hole” totally wasted government spending in about half the country.
The House has passed bill after bill that Reid refuses to even bring to the Senate floor, all the while blaming the Republicans. The msm has those that don’t know the truth believing ALL the blame is on the Republicans and that won”t change.
Obama is trying to destroy this country and is doing a very good job of it. If he has to set priorities for what bills to pay, SS and the military will be at the bottom of the list and once again the Republicans will be blamed for all of it.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I miss the America we once knew and loved.
Rick,
If not now, when? Spending has to stop sometime, now seems seems better than later. I say bring on the depression, it is only be turning off the spigot of money that we can get back on track. Every day, month, year we wait just makes the cure that much more painful.
Many Republicans just want to stay in the Congress as long as possible, their life-long career. Crazy? Probably not. Irresponsible? Quite so.
Well, Democrats are no better, flock of the same feather. (vzc1943)
The goal is not achieving modest spending cuts within the next few weeks. The goal is achieving meaningful spending cuts sometime in 2013. This will never happen as long as the narrative is all about crazy and irresponsible tea-party republicans. Here is how House Republicans can change the narrative.
Step 1: Quit talking.
Step 2: Pass a budget worthy of our grandchildren.
Step 3: Vote to increase the debt ceiling by 100 billion dollars (and to continue sequestration for 30 more days).
Step 4: Announce that House Republicans will not play brinkmanship with the debt ceiling (or sequestration), but will limit all debt ceiling increase votes to only 100 billion dollar increments until three things happen.
(a) Senate Democrats, after over 3 years of failing to comply with the law, pass a budget;
(b) The Senate Budget plan is voted on by the House, and a majority of House Democrats vote to approve it; and
(c) After such a Democratic budget is created, the House Budget Committee will use normal processes to draft a mutually acceptable compromise.
Once an acceptable compromise budget is passed, the debt ceiling will be raised sufficiently to get us through 2014. But, until the Democrats put all their cards on the table, there will be no negotiations, and no “grand bargains”.
Step 5: Say nothing except “It is now up to the Democrats,” and wait for the narrative to shift.
Step 6: After the Democrats lose all credibility by their inability to pass a reality-based budget, negotiate bipartisan spending cuts with those willing to reclaim the title of Blue-Dog Democrat.
#34 Controse: “this insane spending has to stop……” I couldn’t agree more. But instead of rambling about penny ante stuff like Planned Parenthood & National Public Radio, how about dealing with some REAL money? How about starting with the “flying turkey” known as the F-35 fighter plane. That project has set new highs in the number & amount of cost overruns and national defense was never intended to include welfare job programs.
May I assume that all of you who want to cut spending would support the call from Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) for an audit of the Pentagon?
Next, how about exploring what Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) revealed about the federal budget several years ago; like some 80 different job training programs, all with bureaucrats to run them, among other things.
Groups like Citizens Against Government Waste and Taxpayers for Common Sense have many more ideas, if people want to visit their web sites.
John Boehner talking about “growth” reminds me of the unlamented recent Presidential candidate, name of Romney. He was going to cut taxes for everybody, do nothing with Social Security, do massive increases in military spending, and balance the budget. Nobody knew how he intended to do it; smoke & mirrors, I suppose
The DOD is a private sector job entitlement department, administered by the congressional members to benefit their districts and states.
I’m so hopeful we get an iron-fisted old mustang military guy to become SOD! Somebody who really knows and despises where all the corruption and wasted spending in the DOD is. Somebody who will tell congress “we’re going to shut down 2/3rds of the contractors and return our military back into a lean mean fighting machine back inside our bases and out of the communities, etc., etc.”
Congress should just ask for a swap – when the Senate creates and passes a new budget (that doesn’t include the stimulus bill) they will extend the debt limit. And next year they will cut the budget by 25%.
If you understand Keynesian economics, a ‘debt ceiling’ is irrelevant when dealing with fiat money.
Debt is inflated away………and when the other central banks of the world agree, it’s a zero-sum game.
Of course, middle class savings are destroyed……….just collateral damage………they’ll be dead soon anyway, right??