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		<title>By: I&#8217;m Beautiful When I&#8217;m Angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m Beautiful When I&#8217;m Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Jack &amp; Hill Nancy and Amy have both sounded off today with some righteous fury about a recent trend in journalism: the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SansPretense &#187; Women who take on Feminism</title>
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		<dc:creator>SansPretense &#187; Women who take on Feminism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be a spike in stupid feminists coming to her attention. Cassy Fiano (here and here), Dr. Helen, and Amy Alkon  I saw took on several of the stories Rachel went after (I found those bloggers through [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: PJM Moderator
RE: Thank...

....you.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The measure of a master is his success in bringing all men round to his opinion twenty years later.  --  Ralph Waldo Emerson]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: PJM Moderator<br />
RE: Thank&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;.you.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[The measure of a master is his success in bringing all men round to his opinion twenty years later.  --  Ralph Waldo Emerson]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31708</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: All
RE: A Third Time....

....just to see if it goes through THIS time.

TO: Charlie (Colorado) 
RE: Mary

“Actually, Mary, I operate several blogs. Not as popular as Amy’s, but still, I understand how they work. A couple of them have ‘columnists’, like yourself and Amy. I afford such persons abilities to manage the activities on threads they generate.” — Chuck Pelto, to Mary Jackson

“Chuck, I also post regularly here, and PJM doesn’t let me modify my comments. Hell, they moderate my comments on my posts.” — Charlie (Colorado), in reply to Chuck Pelto

Are you a contributing ‘columnist’/author/whathaveyou to PJM?

Wonderful news that!

I’ve been asking Mary Jackson and PJM management, via their ‘contact us’ link for some time now. I’ve been asking for their ‘Rules Of Engagement’ in their system. Just so I could verify Mary’s claims of innocence.

Maybe YOU could provide those.

“You’re wrong, and you’re out of line.” — Charlie (Colorado)

Maybe I am. And maybe I’m not. On EITHER or BOTH counts.

First off, regarding PJM. Why are they, or their contributing authors, so secretive about the arrangement between themselves? You tell me. After all. I’ve politely asked for some time now and yet they remain totally silent about what contributing authors/columnists can and cannot do.

Maybe you’ll break their (apparent) Code of Silence.

If not….why not?

As for the allegation that I’m ‘out of line’…..please explain why asking a simple question about a strange instance is ‘out of line’? I’d ask the same thing of a government or corporate official. Indeed. I asked such of the president of a local community college just a fortnight ago; when he proposed closing an arterial route through this city. Was I out of line with him? As I’m out of line here?

Interestingly enough, he took the sort of umbrage that YOU are expressing here; (1) what’s your background and (2) what’s your need to know?

Funny think that….how people who want to hide something behave the same way. Don’t you think?

“And as I once said on Roger’s own blog, your behavior here is such that, in person, it would have resulted in an invitation to leave — with assistance, if necessary.” — Charlie (Colorado)

What Roger and Amy and Armed (il)Liberal do with their blogs is their (1) business and (2) responsibility. Don’t you agree?

If they, or even YOU, want to ‘kill’ people who disagree with them—and effectively—that’s their cross to bear.

But are you proposing that just because I’ve been ‘killed’ by them, I should remain silent? I tell you the truth, that only works if you physically kill someone. Or you’re dealing with someone more timorous than myself.

Or, should I ‘kill’ you and you’ll stop typing?

“That it’s resulted in you being banned from multiple blogs should begin to give you a hint:…” — Charlie (Colorado)

Life, from the Christian perspective, is not a popularity contest. Look what they did to the Leader of this philosophy. And all because He suggested God is Love and stood up to the ‘killers’ of His time. If you, and those you associate with, wish to play the role of the ‘killers’, that’s your prerogative. All I’m going to do here is point out your personal problem. As I’m doing with Amy. And maybe with Mary. [Note: Send me the PJM Rules Of Engagement (ROE). And that could clarify a LOT.]

“….as my Hungarian relatives used to tell me “if three people tell you that you are drunk, lie down.” Who knew the Hungarians were so stupid; as you propose?

I’ve known people from Hungary, through military channels (for the most part). They are not so foolish as to take three total strangers’ word for anything important. It would be better if you couched that old saying in the following manner:

“If three FRIENDS tell you that you are drunk….” [Note: Friends are people you know and trust to tell you the Truth.] Don’t you think?

Are YOU my ‘friend’? That I should take your advice? How about Amy or Armed (il)Liberal? Are they my ‘friends’, too? They are the epitome of that old saw about, “With ‘friends’ like these…..”

Or should I get three ‘people’ to tell you that you should sell all your possessions and give the money to the church? [Note: I know a church that would greatly appreciate your donation.]

RE: 24th &amp; High, Anyone?

“Or perhaps you should investigate the services of that esteemed institution where High Street turns to 24th.” — Charlie (Colorado)

What’s this?

Is THAT where they moved that infamous ‘whore’ house?

Actually, I don’t recognize the significance of 24th and High. Please tell me what you’re thinking regarding the ‘esteemed institution’.

Regards,

Chuck(le) 
[A friend is a person with whom I may be sincere. Before him I may think aloud. — Ralph Waldo Emerson]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All<br />
RE: A Third Time&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.just to see if it goes through THIS time.</p>
<p>TO: Charlie (Colorado)<br />
RE: Mary</p>
<p>“Actually, Mary, I operate several blogs. Not as popular as Amy’s, but still, I understand how they work. A couple of them have ‘columnists’, like yourself and Amy. I afford such persons abilities to manage the activities on threads they generate.” — Chuck Pelto, to Mary Jackson</p>
<p>“Chuck, I also post regularly here, and PJM doesn’t let me modify my comments. Hell, they moderate my comments on my posts.” — Charlie (Colorado), in reply to Chuck Pelto</p>
<p>Are you a contributing ‘columnist’/author/whathaveyou to PJM?</p>
<p>Wonderful news that!</p>
<p>I’ve been asking Mary Jackson and PJM management, via their ‘contact us’ link for some time now. I’ve been asking for their ‘Rules Of Engagement’ in their system. Just so I could verify Mary’s claims of innocence.</p>
<p>Maybe YOU could provide those.</p>
<p>“You’re wrong, and you’re out of line.” — Charlie (Colorado)</p>
<p>Maybe I am. And maybe I’m not. On EITHER or BOTH counts.</p>
<p>First off, regarding PJM. Why are they, or their contributing authors, so secretive about the arrangement between themselves? You tell me. After all. I’ve politely asked for some time now and yet they remain totally silent about what contributing authors/columnists can and cannot do.</p>
<p>Maybe you’ll break their (apparent) Code of Silence.</p>
<p>If not….why not?</p>
<p>As for the allegation that I’m ‘out of line’…..please explain why asking a simple question about a strange instance is ‘out of line’? I’d ask the same thing of a government or corporate official. Indeed. I asked such of the president of a local community college just a fortnight ago; when he proposed closing an arterial route through this city. Was I out of line with him? As I’m out of line here?</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, he took the sort of umbrage that YOU are expressing here; (1) what’s your background and (2) what’s your need to know?</p>
<p>Funny think that….how people who want to hide something behave the same way. Don’t you think?</p>
<p>“And as I once said on Roger’s own blog, your behavior here is such that, in person, it would have resulted in an invitation to leave — with assistance, if necessary.” — Charlie (Colorado)</p>
<p>What Roger and Amy and Armed (il)Liberal do with their blogs is their (1) business and (2) responsibility. Don’t you agree?</p>
<p>If they, or even YOU, want to ‘kill’ people who disagree with them—and effectively—that’s their cross to bear.</p>
<p>But are you proposing that just because I’ve been ‘killed’ by them, I should remain silent? I tell you the truth, that only works if you physically kill someone. Or you’re dealing with someone more timorous than myself.</p>
<p>Or, should I ‘kill’ you and you’ll stop typing?</p>
<p>“That it’s resulted in you being banned from multiple blogs should begin to give you a hint:…” — Charlie (Colorado)</p>
<p>Life, from the Christian perspective, is not a popularity contest. Look what they did to the Leader of this philosophy. And all because He suggested God is Love and stood up to the ‘killers’ of His time. If you, and those you associate with, wish to play the role of the ‘killers’, that’s your prerogative. All I’m going to do here is point out your personal problem. As I’m doing with Amy. And maybe with Mary. [Note: Send me the PJM Rules Of Engagement (ROE). And that could clarify a LOT.]</p>
<p>“….as my Hungarian relatives used to tell me “if three people tell you that you are drunk, lie down.” Who knew the Hungarians were so stupid; as you propose?</p>
<p>I’ve known people from Hungary, through military channels (for the most part). They are not so foolish as to take three total strangers’ word for anything important. It would be better if you couched that old saying in the following manner:</p>
<p>“If three FRIENDS tell you that you are drunk….” [Note: Friends are people you know and trust to tell you the Truth.] Don’t you think?</p>
<p>Are YOU my ‘friend’? That I should take your advice? How about Amy or Armed (il)Liberal? Are they my ‘friends’, too? They are the epitome of that old saw about, “With ‘friends’ like these…..”</p>
<p>Or should I get three ‘people’ to tell you that you should sell all your possessions and give the money to the church? [Note: I know a church that would greatly appreciate your donation.]</p>
<p>RE: 24th &amp; High, Anyone?</p>
<p>“Or perhaps you should investigate the services of that esteemed institution where High Street turns to 24th.” — Charlie (Colorado)</p>
<p>What’s this?</p>
<p>Is THAT where they moved that infamous ‘whore’ house?</p>
<p>Actually, I don’t recognize the significance of 24th and High. Please tell me what you’re thinking regarding the ‘esteemed institution’.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[A friend is a person with whom I may be sincere. Before him I may think aloud. — Ralph Waldo Emerson]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31696</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Amy, annie, Misanthrope, et al. of their Ilk
RE: PJM

Looks like you&#039;ve &#039;won&#039;....or I should say, lost.

My premise that (1) power and (2) opportunity to &#039;kill&#039; bears out based on PJM. 

I&#039;ve posted a reply to Charlie, yesterday and today. And both have not been &#039;approved&#039; by &#039;Moderation&#039;. This gives (1) a new meaning to &#039;moderation&#039; and (2) provides serious evidence that PJM is hardly what any reasonably prudent individual would call &#039;even-handed&#039;.

So, PJM, whomever this &#039;moderator&#039; is, behaves like Amy Alkon, and how Solnit would wish she could behave at a cocktail party.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Amy, annie, Misanthrope, et al. of their Ilk<br />
RE: PJM</p>
<p>Looks like you&#8217;ve &#8216;won&#8217;&#8230;.or I should say, lost.</p>
<p>My premise that (1) power and (2) opportunity to &#8216;kill&#8217; bears out based on PJM. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted a reply to Charlie, yesterday and today. And both have not been &#8216;approved&#8217; by &#8216;Moderation&#8217;. This gives (1) a new meaning to &#8216;moderation&#8217; and (2) provides serious evidence that PJM is hardly what any reasonably prudent individual would call &#8216;even-handed&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, PJM, whomever this &#8216;moderator&#8217; is, behaves like Amy Alkon, and how Solnit would wish she could behave at a cocktail party.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[The Truth will out.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31695</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Linda Seebach
RE: Hello, Old Friend

I trust you are well. And we dearly miss all of our friends in that group, Amy is beating me over the head for being a member of, up there. Please say hello to all of them from myself and my lady.

Fondest Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ve worked as a subordinate to women in various capacities, military and corporate.
I’ve had the same results, vis-a-vis

I’ve had the same results, vis-a-vis ‘fun’ with them as I have with male supervisors. One brilliant woman I worked for at USWest in the 90s, would have made a superb combat service support battalion commander. Sharp as a[t]tack and even-handed in her leadership skills.

However, I have to agree with you that regarding male and female supervisors and peers, I found that the female form tended to be more ‘vindictive’. Something like Elizabeth Elliot in Tom Clancy’s The Sum of All Fears, vis-a-vis Jack Ryan.

P.P.S. I’ve enjoyed every item of yours that the BlogVader has pointed to. Keep up the good work. Since you’re no longer at the Snooze, please do it on the web. All your works are grand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Linda Seebach<br />
RE: Hello, Old Friend</p>
<p>I trust you are well. And we dearly miss all of our friends in that group, Amy is beating me over the head for being a member of, up there. Please say hello to all of them from myself and my lady.</p>
<p>Fondest Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. I’ve worked as a subordinate to women in various capacities, military and corporate.<br />
I’ve had the same results, vis-a-vis</p>
<p>I’ve had the same results, vis-a-vis ‘fun’ with them as I have with male supervisors. One brilliant woman I worked for at USWest in the 90s, would have made a superb combat service support battalion commander. Sharp as a[t]tack and even-handed in her leadership skills.</p>
<p>However, I have to agree with you that regarding male and female supervisors and peers, I found that the female form tended to be more ‘vindictive’. Something like Elizabeth Elliot in Tom Clancy’s The Sum of All Fears, vis-a-vis Jack Ryan.</p>
<p>P.P.S. I’ve enjoyed every item of yours that the BlogVader has pointed to. Keep up the good work. Since you’re no longer at the Snooze, please do it on the web. All your works are grand.</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31672</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snippet: I was thinking more like the mormons. They&#039;re certainly obsessed with their own snake and two walnuts by the sounds of it. They&#039;d make a great “Maleness Study” for you. Give it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snippet: I was thinking more like the mormons. They&#8217;re certainly obsessed with their own snake and two walnuts by the sounds of it. They&#8217;d make a great “Maleness Study” for you. Give it a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31647</link>
		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, ban Chuck(ie).  He&#039;s had his column inches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, ban Chuck(ie).  He&#8217;s had his column inches.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Alkon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31585</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Alkon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it Chuck doesn&#039;t also speak in memo format, and accuse people who don&#039;t wish to listen to him of persecuting him because he&#039;s a Christian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it Chuck doesn&#8217;t also speak in memo format, and accuse people who don&#8217;t wish to listen to him of persecuting him because he&#8217;s a Christian?</p>
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		<title>By: linda seebach</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/are-privileged-western-women-being-crushed-into-silence/#comment-31437</link>
		<dc:creator>linda seebach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a female (now 68 and retired) who spent most of her adult life working in a variety of male-dominated fields, I&#039;d have to say that I experienced more work-related harm from men in positions of authority who took against assertive females like me who challenged their authority than I did from women. But for sheer nastiness, and attempts at silencing, the women were much much worse. They just weren&#039;t in positions of authority.


FYI, to the extent this is a pelto thread, when I lived in Denver I knew Chuck Pelto (and his wife) and never had any other than pleasant interactions. Well, I thought, anyway; can&#039;t speak for  them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a female (now 68 and retired) who spent most of her adult life working in a variety of male-dominated fields, I&#8217;d have to say that I experienced more work-related harm from men in positions of authority who took against assertive females like me who challenged their authority than I did from women. But for sheer nastiness, and attempts at silencing, the women were much much worse. They just weren&#8217;t in positions of authority.</p>
<p>FYI, to the extent this is a pelto thread, when I lived in Denver I knew Chuck Pelto (and his wife) and never had any other than pleasant interactions. Well, I thought, anyway; can&#8217;t speak for  them.</p>
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