Are Obama and Rubio That Far Apart on Immigration Reform?
“I think it should include a continuation of the strong border security measures that we’ve taken because we have to secure our borders,” Obama said of his plan during his post-election press conference. “I think it should contain serious penalties for companies that are purposely hiring undocumented workers and taking advantage of them. And I do think that there should be a pathway for legal status for those who are living in this country, are not engaged in criminal activity, are here simply to work. It’s important for them to pay back-taxes. It’s important for them to learn English. It’s important for them to potentially pay a fine. But to give them the avenue whereby they can resolve their legal status here in this country I think is very important.”
One area where the two plans could diverge is the DREAM Act. Last summer, Rubio said he was formulating his own version, one that would not include a glide path toward citizenship for those qualified. He dropped the idea when Obama announced the cessation of deportations.
“One thing that I’m very clear about is that young people who are brought here through no fault of their own, who have gone to school here, pledged allegiance to our flag, want to serve in our military, want to go to school and contribute to our society, that they shouldn’t be under the cloud of deportation, that we should give them every opportunity to earn their citizenship,” Obama said.
The president has expanded on his plans a bit further, asserting that the nation’s business community is looking to allow more high-skilled workers into the country, adding that, “if you’ve got a PhD in physics or computer science who wants to stay here and start a business here, we shouldn’t make it harder for him to stay here; we should try to encourage him to contribute to this society.”
Agriculture, he said, also is looking to expand its workforce. One possible answer is the creation of a guest-worker program. Rubio also has expressed support for the idea.
“So there are going to be a bunch of components to it but I think whatever process we have needs to make sure our border security is strong, needs to deal with employers effectively, needs to provide a pathway for the undocumented here, needs to deal with the DREAM Act kids,” Obama said. “And I think that’s something that we can get done.”
It appears the public approves of the approaches taken by both Obama and Rubio. A poll conducted by Anderson Robbins Research, a Democratic firm, and Shaw & Co. Research, a Republican outfit, for Fox News, conducted Jan. 15 through Jan. 17, showed that 66 percent of those surveyed support allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the country and eventually qualify for U.S. citizenship if they meet certain requirements like paying back taxes, learning English, and passing a background check. Only 17 percent favored sending them back to their home country while 13 percent endorsed a guest worker program.
Organizations devoted to stopping the influx of undocumented workers, like the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which endorses stricter border measures, reacted harshly to the plans.
“Don’t be fooled, ‘comprehensive immigration reform’ is just another code word for a big amnesty that will eventually grant citizenship to over 12 million illegal aliens,” the group said in a statement. “Although over 22 million Americans are out of work or underemployed and wages have seen no real growth, our elected representatives seem convinced that the only thing that will cure all of our economic ills is amnesty and a vast expansion of guest worker programs. Rather than enforcing our immigration laws and securing our borders, they choose to put special interest groups ahead of the American people.”
Some liberal groups maintain providing a path toward full citizenship for undocumented workers is in the nation’s best interest.
“As Congress takes up immigration reform this session, it would be wise to keep in mind the social and economic benefits that come with granting a pathway to full citizenship,” said Philip E. Wolgin, immigration policy analyst at the Center for American Progress. “The United States has always been a nation that thrives from fully integrating immigrants into the national polity, a nation of immigrants uniting around a common purpose. Anything less than granting a pathway to full citizenship is both un-American and runs counter to our nation’s best interests.”
Meanwhile, if neither Obama nor Rubio can piece together a solution amenable to all sides there is the Gang of Eight – a bipartisan group in the Senate trying to develop its own answer to the immigration issue. Led by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.,) the assemblage includes Durbin, McCain, Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Mike Lee (R-Utah), and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.).
Related:
‘Path to Citizenship’ Part of Immigration Reform — Durbin
I don’t have a real problem with allowing those already in the country to stay. I’m not sure of the morality of sending kids, who were born and raised in the United States, back to countries they’ve never even visited.
So, I guess my belief is that amnesty is pretty much going to happen. Arguing against it is just pushing it further and further back, delaying the inevitable.
My problem is, if we give the illegals who are here now, amnesty, will we be in the same boat, and have a whole new bumper crop of illegals demanding amnesty in 20 years?
Before ANY immigration policy is passed, I want the border secured. And I mean, a LOT more secured than it is right now!!
Yeah. I’m a Rino but I have to agree about the border. We don’t protect our border because we don’t admit we give something like a neighborhood prefernce to Mexicans.
This is nuts because we also can let in criminals of all stripes. All because we cant admit we want labor (and some of us are pro Mexican ) and do it all legal and above board. Check the papers at the border. This man has a job, pass on. This man is a narco send him to jail.
what difference does it make now – the illegals already are here and won.
what difference does it make now – the constitution and laws are meaningless
what difference does it make now – the RINOs have already surrendered
what difference does it make now, Rubio? CONservative? yeah, right.
what difference does it make now, Amerika?
No, they are *not* that different…nor is the difference between what they say and what Newt Gingrich suggested even that great.
I think it stinks. It only encourages bad behavior.
(Voting Democrat, for one…ha ha ha)
*I* want HIGH hurdles. Over which only the worthy overcome. Yes, worthy. I am an American and hold our country in high regard.
That’s just it, Pelosi, Lofgren, Schumer, Graham, Rubio et al. don’t want any standards at all. Many of them don’t understand the concept of standards. They think that anyone with the lowest level of knowledge of science or technology must be a genius… well, with the exception of US citizens; even if US citizens have IQs in the top percentile, have worked in science labs doing research, have designed new technology/tools, have developed software products must be total illiterates and incompetents.
They’re all dead-set against proper background investigations of visa applicants, for the purpose of being reasonably sure they’re not spies or in the habit of or aiming to initiate force or fraud, or to engage in intellectual property theft. Any such background investigation, would, in their perverted minds, be “over burdensome”. Never mind that hundreds and thousands of US citizens are willing to go through even more burdensome and privacy sacrificing investigations to get work at national research labs.
They all think that there’s no reason not to let all 7G people in the world to try to cram themselves into the already over-crowded, over-populated USA. They seem to have no idea of what “over-populated” or “over-crowded” mean. They have no reasonable notion of excessive immigration. To them, it is “reasonable” to allow 1% per year additional immigration, with a target of 15% to 20% of the resident population to be non-native. By historical standards, this is extremely high. In the historical context of available high-quality farm- and ranch-land, water supply, etc., it is orders of magnitude excessive.
>>And are Republicans racing to get to a comprehensive plan first?<<
"And are Republicans racing to destroy what's left of their pathetic political party before Obama can do it for them?"
There. Fixed that subtitle for you. And the answer is, of course, "yes". I never have understood where the idea that Rubio was some sort of super conservative came from (yes, he's more conservative than Charlie Crist, but you can say that about large swaths of the Democrat Party, too). Those who have this illusion or delusion about Rubio are in for a rude awakening as he begins to gin up the pander machine for his 2016 presidential run. The race is on to see who can move the farthest to the left, Rubio or Christie, as the Beltway GOP seeks to cast the next installment of "Hey! Let's nominate someone just like a Democrat!" – the GOP's quadrennial off off off off off off Broadway show that closes after one night.
Let’s go ahead and score a big, huge victory for the open borders globalists. Georgie, porgie puddin’ pie Soros must be lovin’ it, along with his little band of merry marxists. And put a fork in the Republican party and the what’s left of the Republic. Its gone. Is there any adult left in the congress who will talk about the cost of making these people legal? What’s the tax bill per taxpayer? Anybody, somebody stand up for the beleagured citizens and our culture? Its seems not.
And just how are we going to screen 10-20 million people for criminal or terrorists backgrounds?
And just where is the secure border fence Senator McLame? No its seems it was just another lie to get reelected, wasn’t it?
Its nothing but lies, lies, lies from our government. I can’t take it anymore. It can’t listen to them. I just can’t do it.
Will the last honorable congressperson, please turn out the lights. I’m beginning to think that a great, big terrorist bomb over the center of Washington D.C. would be a nice start to fumigate the place.
The number of illegals entering America has declined significantly in this past decade, as the economy has worsened and jobs have dried up.
Things do have a way of working themselves out. We seem to have found a practical solution to immigration: We’re turning America into a country that no foreigners want to immigrate to anymore.
Bring back the 2005-06 Republican House plan, I say.
There should be absolutely no pathway to Voting Rights/Priveleges, a pathway to legal status yes – guest worker visas. No pathway to citizenship. The guest worker numbers can then be controlled to benefit the US and it’s citizens as it’s primary function.
Natives have been crying this sad song since 1492. this country didn’t fall apart when the Pilgrims came and it didn’t fall apart when the Irish came. it’s not gonna fall apart when new immigrants come. they can learn to speak English and serve our country in the military. Rome was sacked by those immigrants that Rome used and abused, and gave no citizenship to. we either integrate them or build a wall in every town they live in. the times they are a changing.
You are unconciously using the language of the Marxists. We need to assimilate them, which mean they change to embrace our culture and specifically not INTEGRATE them, which means we change our ways to accomodate their culture.
In fact the barbarians carried forward Roman culture but in a weakened state, which led to the advance of the Swift Sword of Allah, which almost wasnt stopped, and again is a menace in our once again weakened state.
In fact the all of these groups have weakened the US. The Irish Catholics for example (and not Atheists) were responsible for removing Bible studies from New York public schools. See Archbishop John Hughs.
And there we have it. The darn Catholics again. This is why while everyone elses wishes for some hard core white secessionist party I am just wishing the old GOP were back.
You know the ones that opposed invading Mexico and got blamed for it. The ones that fought slavery and got blamed for it. The one group of politicians that did not get suspiciously rich with stolen Japanese real estate in WWII. and. got. blamed for it.
White secessionist? Boy do you have some ugly thoughts. I just want to have a country where my government keeps its business out of mine. I can’t help it if minorities tend to vote for a collectivist state, but not all of them believe in one, and those who want to be left alone are welcome to come with me when we go.
Rome was not sacked by immigrants. They were sacked by invaders. There is a difference. Immigrants wish to move to a place and become a part of it while invaders wish to move to a place and make it their own, often by force although simply overwhelming one culture with numbers will do.
True immigrants assimilate and become a part of what they join. And in the past, American immigrations policy insured that our immigrants eventually assimilated into the larger American culture. There is no pressure toward assimilation today. Today, we merely ask for integration and are gradually colonized by ever growing pockets of cultures foreign to our own.
I agree with you on the assimilation vs integration, but…
Who really killed Pax Romana?
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/08/who-really-killed-pax-romana.html
Guitierez is a foreign hostile as far as Im concerned. A shill for Mexican colonization of the US.
And these illegal immigrants should lose their privileged status over US citizens with regards to In State vs Out of State tuition for University….or do away with the dual tier pricing altogether so that US citizens can compete at least equally with hostile invader-colonists for seats at these universities.
A lot of the ‘illegal’ and border issue could be solved simply by unilaterally annexing Mexico, giving them Commonwealth status and letting the 24 or so families that own and operate the place keep their positions of power and influence (sort of like those around our own political machines found in most major metro areas). Given that those who argue amnesty have no problem giving up the sovereignty of this country why be concerned about the sovereignty of another who’s governing caste for the past couple of decades had dumped millions of its own population of mestizos and indios to avoid reform or revolution. Just like citizens from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, they could come and go without constraints. They can provide us with uncontrolled volumes of unskilled labor and we’ll provide them with uncontrolled volumes of unemployed lawyers to make their lives interesting. Hey, we may even throw in California as a bonus for the deal.
I think this is the best solution for all involved. And re-anex Cuba as well.
Hold them like we did the Phillipines and Cuba after the Spanish American War.
Anyone who thinks POTUS will secure the border is fooling themselves. The talking points rely on gimmicks to support the “record number” of deportations.
What does Rubio think about this piece? An excerpt from Doug Ross, read the full post –
“An astonishing number of naturalized U.S. citizens have been convicted of grave national security crimes—including terrorism, espionage and theft of sensitive technology—yet the government allows them to keep their American citizenship…
This can’t come as any surprise to those following the career of Janet Napolitano. She has consistently refused to enforce the nation’s immigration laws and has illegally concealed documents related to the agency’s activities.
Because with this crew, it’s all about consolidating power by changing the electorate. It has nothing to do with enforcing America’s laws”
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/heckuva-job-nappy-dhs-lets-naturalized.html
Bottom line: Seal the borders first! Stop the flow before any further talk about amnesty or a ‘road to citizenship’ for illegals.
Declare that English is the official language of the US, and in order to be a citizen, an applicant MUST speak decent English. Stop all taxpayer funded ‘dual language systems’ that support speakers of other languages in their quest to remain islands in the larger sea of America. IF the US wants, for instance, Spanish to be an official second language, that needs to be dealt with first and the costs of that decision carefully considered openly – not hidden as they are now. It is time to make a choice on language issues in this country because it is costing too much not to do so.
Stipulate that anyone who wants to become an American citizen cannot use any social benefits until they have paid into them for a minimum of x period of time. Any debts incurred already to the American people as a result of using these systems while illegal must be repaid before they can use the system for ‘free’ again.
Many of us have had to jump through umpteen government imposed hoops to be recognized as citizens, even if we had documents to prove we already were. The road should be no less tough for illegals, and in fact, should be much more expensive and difficult.
Any program to grant citizenship or a road to same for illegals should satisfy the above minimum criteria. If it does not, Americans should cry out in massive numbers.
Unfortunately, they won’t. Let the next round of railroading begin.
Sounds very fair to me. Equating immigration with welfare is our own fault, not the illegals.
Its useless to keep saying it but to some illegals are immigrants, they are refugees. They are people swimming from the frigging titanic looking for a lifeboat.
The fact is the only thing wrong with the lifeboat we are in is we have our heads up our butts. the fact that we cant employ ourselves let alone some refugee labor is the ultimate unforced embarrassing error.
I agree. And while I agree that our immigration system desparately needs reform, I think any streamlining that makes immigration easier should be directed toward those who are waiting in line to come here legally and trying their best to do things the right way (and I don’t care what country we’re talking about). Just trying to negotiate your way through the draconian legal immigration system demonstrates that you have a profound respect for the law and that deserves a reward not a slap in the face as you watch people who’ve already cut in front of you once get rewarded for breaking the laws you are trying to follow.
Then, they need to find ways to make it harder for people who were illegal to get legal recognition before the people waiting to come here legally unless perhaps you brought here by your parents against your control. Sorry, but breaking the law shouldn’t be rewarded, it should earn you an automatic trip to the end of the line.
Rubio: RINO, not Natural Born..
Should Rubio be nominated, he will get less votes than Romney. But that’s the plan isn’t it? Hillary Clinton is to be acclaimed the next President.
RINOs and Democrats agree
I swear to God if there wasn’t any guidelines on this site of what you can say, I’d be saying a LOT of things.
I love elements of Rubio’s plan. Though there should be an amendment added that’d secure the border.
Just my point of view. The top issue ought to be restoration of a constitutional republic. The next issue, and its neck and neck, is to restore our economy.
If you guys want to build your anti-Mexico wall, i can go along with it. But it has to be hand in hand with absolutley zero tolerance for employers who want to exploit illegal immigrants. If the commerce clause means my health insurance just went to hell then the 13th amendment can surely outlaw exploiting illegals.
I think it’s slick the way they include paying back taxes and fines. For those that can prove they worked by showing a check stub that matches the day they arrived maybe you can determine what they owe. Many list 15 dependents in order to avoid federal tax and simply never file. What will the cut off be, 5 years in the country? What if they’ve been evading taxes for 10 years? How could they afford to pay even the 5 years with penalties and interest while paying their taxes at the same time? They can’t so they won’t be forced to or they won’t come forward. That doesn’t include those that can’t prove how much they owe. So it’s bogus to even mention that. Meanwhile those that entered the country legally are paying their taxes in real time and didn’t break any laws in the first place.
The sad stories of deporting the parents and sending the kids to orphanages is just too much. If the kids are underage why are they being separated from their parents? Simple answer, they’re not. Maybe one parent but, certainly not both. I do know people that were deported with their parents as minors that were able to come back as citizens and become productive members of our society. I still consider it cheating but, atleast it’s considered legal.
And to those that want to bring up the Irish or any other group that came to america during that time period always neglect to mention the fact that there were no welfare or social security programs to pillage at that time. Yes I did say pillage. It was a true make or break situation. That’s what made those groups a true contribution to our society. Showing up with your hand out is not a contribution. Paying taxes is.
Only toward the end of the article does the author get anywhere near the reality behind ‘Immigration reform.’ It might be better just to lay it out on the line. Dem politicians and some RINOs don’t want the problem to go away. They want Mexicans to keep coming over the border to counter all those pesky native born types that arrogantly believe this country actually belongs to them.
Advocates of reform are only right when they say we need to legalize those born here. But what about the enormous incentive pregnant Mexican women have to continue coming here to birth an anchor baby? As long there’s no real fence for her to scale this baby factory will continue chugging away at fever pitch—no pun intended. And as long as there is no fence and enough politicians are stupid enough to believe that another amnesty will take care of this problem it will continue and get worse.
The day is coming when the US government queries people in Mexico as to when they want to option their right to US citizenship. The day is also coming when the flag flying over border state capitals is Mexican. Take a guess about what is coming after that.
Immigration surrender, er, reform just means we don’t have the will to protect out integrity as an independent nation. Of course, Obama doesn’t WANT to protect our borders; his resentment of our society makes him want to transmute it into a third-world nation, with third-world citizens. What Rubio is after I would hesitate to say.
The only thing standing behind an immigration reform consensus that at least 80% would support for the last twenty years has been the issue of sealing the border before doing the rest. Reagan let the rest go first – and the border was never sealed.
We apparently like having 10,000,000 or so illegal Hispanics here to provide cheap labor. With work papers they may not be quite so cheap – so maybe some employers are actually against reform. And no doubt some Dems are against having a border at all. But we probably have a couple million more than we really “need”, and problems keeping out the gangs, druggies, and other problem individuals.
Part that pisses me off are proposals to increase the H-1B visas for cheap STEM labor. You ask me, the present visas should be cut by 90% or so. These are already “legal” visas, but they are killing our economy, chasing US workers out of jobs.
Yes, so do the 10m cheap Hispanics, especially in the building trades. But I’m just arguing not to INCREASE either category. Maybe we could cut them back, some. I guess we just can’t cut them back entirely, either or both. Maybe that’s a good thing, I sure hope so.
The exact path to citizenship will probably not be pretty, but I guess both sides pretty much are in favor of some kind of programs.
Hello, we are having a referendum on nuclear power and I was wondering which side I should vote on.
Good one.
I googled and there really was a Bulgarian Nuclear referendum. you should have voted. Apparently no one did so they threw out the results.
vote ‘yes’.
electricity is good.
If your country is tectonically stable where they want to build the nuke plant, why on earth would you not vote yes? It’s relatively clean compared to most other forms of energy.
Zdravei. Nuclear power is good. There is new technology that minimize the risks. Most of the problems have been in older reactors built many years ago.
The GOP is committing suicide. They are moving more left by the day. I want no parts of them. I will only vote for someone not associated with the current GOP.
Good luck with that strategy. GOP voters staying home to pout last November because they didn’t like Romney’s wealth, religion, liberal positions when governor of Massachusetts, etc. is what won BHO reelection. Many of our GOP governors, Senators and Representatives have flaws in their thinking and voting, but I keep remembering what President Reagan said: “The perfect is the enemy of the good.” If we have to wait until all Republican candidates are saints, we’ll be suffering through an awful lot of years of Democrat rule.
another fun thing for companies that hire illegals is to wait until the end of the quarter to determine who is illegal. They can then fire the illegals and not pay the taxes
Immigration Reform for Voter ID.
The big error the GOP made was Nixon’s KKK strategy. So tired of these old guys who sound just like southern democrats back in the day now turning around and saying real Republicans arent republicans.
This “immigration reform” is deadly & stupid. Supposedly, it was done once & for all when Reagan was president. ALL illegals should be kicked out, regardless of age. All we do now is allow any illegal alien to live here at their will. Very few are sent back to Mexico & the problem is ignored.
If illegal aliens are given permission to stay, that will just encourage more to illegally cross the border & immigrate here.
Then, 15 yrs. down the road, they will be screaming to become citizens too.
Frankly, we have lost our culture & will NEVER recover. Blanket ignoring of the law by O as well as others has consequences. In this case, it is higher taxes (as most illegal aliens do not pay taxes-especially on the millions sent back to Mexico yearly), an attitude that the US owes me a living, scofflaws in our nation, crime & cowardly & stupid politicians. We have laws for a reason. Unfortunately, we are no longer a nation of law. That ended some time ago.
And, our nation will never recover from O & other foolish people in the ruling class that are too cowardly to do the right thing. Nuff said!
The Hispanic GOP vote peaked in 1984, and has been in decline ever since. Reagan signing off on illegal immigrant amnesty in 1986 did nothing for the Republican Party in the Hispanic community. Absolutely NOTHING. If Marco Rubio and the inside-the-beltway establishment GOP leadership thinks it will be any different this time, they’re utterly delusional. Like all other poor and low-income demographics, the Hispanic immigrant community votes for social programs over everything else. In a weak economy, this preference becomes even more pronounced.
The Republicans need someone to inspire Hispanic voters, not shamelessly pander to them.
A qualifier:
Like all other poor and low-income urban demographics…
Hey, Bulgarian conservative. Vote FOR nuclear power. It is cheap, safe & clean.
Watch the Hannity Special “Boomtown” and it will explain everything. Washington is no longer about party or principles. Its just all about the money. Washington get fat, rich, and wealthy and the rubes get the bill, plus the debt. No one wants to cut anything. Both sides conspire against the citizens.
The “fights” of left vs. right are all scripted like World Wrestling. Oh, the job is so hard, oh Obama won’t compromise, oh the media is soooo mean. I mean really. Anyone who mumbles about being only 1/2 of 1/3 of the government isn’t serious; only complicit.
Perhaps this administration doesn’t want to close the borders because it would stop the flow of drugs. After all, drugs help create many of those disability recipients, low-no-information zombie voters and occupy protesters who are there whenever you need them to show up. I’m sure the pay-offs and political contributions from high-level dealers would be missed as well. And what would they do at party time?!?!
it has not worked the previous (6 or so really) times we did it, but of course it will work this rime.
right.
seal the border, ship them back to their country and cut off foreign aid to those countries.
our government is supposed to look out for us not another countries citizens.
Rubio, McCain Mini Me.
The Dirty Little “Secret”: The reason that politician supporters of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” want it is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal. “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” Democrats, like Obama, also want it so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them, if they aren’t voting for them already.
Does anyone think that any of these “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians actually care one wit otherwise for the illegals. Does anyone think that any of the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs? Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants? Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants? Invite them to their cocktail parties? Introduce them to their daughters?
The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant fair-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class. So these “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” politicians are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing. If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.
They haven’t fooled anyone. Democrats want easy votes. Republicans want cheap labor. So they cry and wail about there being a problem and do nothing substantial. Meanwhile the country suffers.
We all know how to stop the problem. Give the border Patrol access to the entire border, let them use deadly force and treat everyone crossing as an armed felon committing a crime until they can prove otherwise. Other countries do this. Instead of our half-hearted efforts full of loopholes to stop businesses from employing illegal workers we need real fines and closures without grace periods, warnings, or quibbles about different corporations working under the same roof. If they are working and on your property, they are your responsibility.
And I’m still waiting for Obama to give me the pet unicorn he promised me.
I was born in Latin America. Most illegals are Latin American. If you even dream they’ll vote GOP you’re plain delusional. Venezuela? Argentina? Cuba? Mexico? The few Americans that can name all the countries in Latin America should then add who they elect.When they’re allowed to vote. Sure, the GOP moderates say they’re Catholic and family and all that but guess who was speaker when Obamacare passed?
Of the 11 million illegal, well over 9 million will vote Democrat. And they’ll do it forever. Once they get “carded” or whatever states, then the margin of vote fraud will hit double digits. Get a card, get a driver’s license get motor-voter. Just like WA State is now doing.
If one is to surrender, one would hope they’d have a trigger requiring the Administration to,say, enforce a national voter photo ID and secure the border. But, for sure, ain’t gonna happen.
Some pundits and maybe Obama think they’ll destroy the GOP. They’re wrong. The GOP will do that all by themselves, thank you very much.
No one can predict the future. I was visiting relatives in Mexico when Vicente Fox was the first man not a member of the PRI to win the presidency in what 70 years. And so far PRD has yet to win an election there.
Man, is this a copy n paste Ap or WaPo article? Wow..
The overwhelming # of Illegals DON’T CARE about the U.S.A.
Less than 10% of those illegals who have the option to FINALLY become legal.. DON’T do the provided paperwork!
The same federal government and pols mentioned in this piece ARE the problem.
The federal programs/ ‘entitlements’ in which illegals use/ abuse has exploded MANY TIMES over the past 5-10 years alone. ‘Thanks’ Durbin and company.
Many of these supposed ‘new Americans’ are provided ‘waivers’ in graduating H.S. How about the MANY cases of TB and other diseases that have been eradicated from our country 50-100 years ago are no longer, sadly ‘news’ when occurring regularly nowadays.
THIS is often the result of having a parent(s) with MAYBE an elementary-like Mexican ‘education’ to raise, assist and instill ‘American pride’ into their offspring.
The U.S. colleges have also done their part in drastically lowering standards for applying, admissions due to counterproductive EEO actions. How’s that improved our economy?
The ‘guest worker program’ has proven to be an overwhelming failure. Its STOLEN jobs from the very law abiding, legal people it’d gone to prior to these criminals being hire. Whereas the cities (i.e. LEGAL U.S. taxpayers) are on the hook for getting many of these illegals to/ from the ag locations with city vehicles. Often times these same vehicles come to the very Section 8 house (hey, evermore taxpayer provided arrangements) they live for p/u. Lemme ask, does YOUR employer have door-to-door service?
Reintroducing yet another failed ‘guest worker program’ will bring in the illegal and their 5-15 family members from their 3rd World country. Guarantee..
The abuse, skewed interpretation of our Constitution and amendments amongst infinite-like other examples is why unfettered and/ or pick and choose application of the Federal immigration law on the books is sickening.
The # of ‘illegals on probation’, skewed 14th Amendment abusers of juvenile, young adult age with a record is staggering.
E-Verify is NEEDED though is not the silver bullet to the problem.
Any current solution that results in numerous non-citizen adults legally living in this country, in the long run, will end up with those people gaining voting rights. Why pretend it will be different?
I think the first thing that needs to be done, even before solutions can be talked about, is ALL illegals in this country need to register immediately.
We need to know how many are here, where they are, and who we are dealing with. Registering would also make it difficult for the twenty million not here who would immediately flood the country attempting to cash in on any deal where we didn’t already know who was in on the “deal”.
There should be a 60 day to register period, and if they don’t register and disclose who and where they are, they don’t get in on any deal.
They will just have to trust us not to round them up and deport them, like the liberals who want us to register our guns expect us to have to trust them.
Of course if the “deal” falls through, then we will know exactly how many, and where they are, as well as have ideas on how to get them to ‘return’ home…
I gave up on this fight a long time ago. In fact, as a nation, we’ve been finished for quite a while. Folks, get over it.
Three years ago, an illegal alien woman broadsided me, fled the scene of the accident and left me behind, injured and trapped. A cop arrived as I was being treated. In the meantime, she returned. The cop then interviewed her and spoke to me. He explained that she was illegal and had no license, no insurance, no proof of ID and that her car had out-of-state plates. Furthermore, he pleaded with me not to push the issue as she might get deported and separated from her children. He then slipped on his plastic gloves in order to aid in treating my wounds.
In short, a policeman, a union-member public employee, instructed a woman who had fled the scene of an accident, to leave, as he wouldn’t recommend pressing charges, as he treated me like a contagious vermin. I ended up with a fresh car payment, jacked up insurance rates and a permanently damaged eye.
I am tired. I spit on foreigners, the cops, Democrats, and this POS nation that cares more for the people I described above than its mild-mannered citizens who follow the rules. I will soon be old. Thank God. At least for the majority of my life I was able to enjoy what this nation had to offer. Now it is s**t